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BingoBoingo: punkman: A number of the AMD Thinkpads don't or at least shouldn't have that (May lack that and possess something else). I think the X140e is the newest of that bunch.
mircea_popescu: so i google to find if i ever reviewed boiler room, the movie. what do i find ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: prolly should be in the scientology thread, doing the guy's research for him.
mike_c: lowlife goatherder. harsh!
mike_c: wow, there are over 1m goats in romania.
mike_c: random internet page of course.
ozbot: Goat Breeding in Romania | ERCG 2014
mike_c: how could it not be true?
mike_c: "The number of goat is about 1220000." hehe
mircea_popescu: reason i ask is, recently the government was embarassed to all hell
mircea_popescu: because it couldn't produce a total figure for porcines in the country
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding they do expensive tagging and whatnot.
mike_c: pigs i can't help with.
pankkake: I saw The Wolf of Wall Street. first part felt like Bitcoin
ozbot: U.S. wireless group proposes TV channel-sharing pilot
ThickAsThieves: theyre gonna broadcast on same waves to prove it can be done
pankkake: I am so many trilema articles behind
pankkake: hm. so I should get a slave to TL;DR it for me
pankkake: maybe I'll read that Asylum thing on my ereader
mircea_popescu: seems to me if you pay a woman to read trilema a slave is you.
pankkake: anyway I liked TWoWS, weird as I both dislike movies about drugs and di caprio. technically the movies good without making sense
pankkake: I wish there was more emphasis on the actual financial part
mircea_popescu: what's this, like a telenovella, people are supposedly working but nobody does anything ever.
pankkake: I'm not used to read long things on a computer. Except amateur porn stories I guess
pankkake: actually that's how I started to learn English outside of education :D
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, have you watched Black mirror yet ?
Apocalyptic: some material for trilema articles in there imo
mike_c: i hope you weren't saying you didn't enjoy boiler room. granted, it's not good film, but it is enjoyable.
Apocalyptic: nor do I, but i'm kinda sure you'll like this
Apocalyptic: it's not even a tv serie as in the episodes are completely unrelated to each other
KRS1: mircea_popescu: did you at least do breaking bad?
mircea_popescu: it's pretty bad. one can enjoy the invasion of the alien robot gorillas too,
mike_c: only if done entertainingly though.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 i went through a few of that and game of thrones during an hour once
mike_c: ah, you did like the sting though. great movie, also with some odd plotlines.
mike_c: yeah, but i couldn't see the video because it was on edgecast. on a different connection now and it works. thanks for the link.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You are welcome. All of these verbal tics... I dunno if I can actually transcribe this chairperson. Maybe wait for official transcripts or Odesk, then correct the inevitable mistakes?
punkman: Apocalyptic: Black Mirror was fun, especially the first one: "a much-loved member of the Royal Family, is kidnapped. For her safe return, the Prime Minister must have sexual intercourse with a pig on national television."
mike_c: heh. odesk is probably best to keep sanity intact.
mircea_popescu: from mike_c's earlier goatlink : "The number of goat is about 1220000."
punkman: do all animals have a conference?
mircea_popescu: pretty much all professions have a trade rag and a trade show
BingoBoingo: I have to wonder is a single Winkelvii incapable of undertaking any action on their own?
punkman: I thought they were conjoined
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mike_c: bitcoincharts seems to be up, but not mpoe
mike_c: google needs to get those internet blimps out there already.
punkman: so, the US has a patent for weaponized boar taint
Duffer1: i feel there's comedy in there somewhere
ozbot: United States Patent: 6386113
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BingoBoingo: Huh, I should have went to this NY DFS hearing.
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BingoBoingo: About 26 minutes into the second session (the one with Mr. LiteCoin) the person chairing the committee suddenly seems to reveal he has more insight into how mining works than any of the witnesses.
BingoBoingo: Judie Rinearson may be the most informed witness on the Mr Litecoin panel, for suggesting that to run a BTC-Fiat exchange you ought to already have substanitial piles of both.
BingoBoingo: Carol VanCleef and "passing the private keys" might be worse than Mr Litecoin. I though only Cascascius moved BTC by passing private keys around.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think this is the first time you said so in such a blunt way. Before it seems you pushed people to read between the lines.
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BingoBoingo: physical reality suggests not eating for a month would be a horrible way to die and people talk about that. A much worse way to die physical reality suggests might be gorging of food for 30 days with an orfice sealed by either cyano acrylate or sutures preventing bowel evacuation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Much of the time. Othertimes though they succumb to sepsis due to things tearing. Depends on how low you place the obstruction.
BingoBoingo: Age might be an important factor in this though.
BingoBoingo: Fucking retardation from Mr Litecoin "It only matters reimbursing that dollar amount" That is Usagi fucking losing 90+ % of fund value is a victory logic.
Duffer1: i'm having trouble figuring out which circus is being discussed here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm following the circus because I think appearing at a later incarnation of one of these hearings might be a fun way to break my pseudonymity.
BingoBoingo: I would like to advance at one of these hearings the position that "bitcoin doesn't much care about you"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. I would like the chance though to add some theater to one of these circuses though. A chance to go on the record seems like it could be fun (even though right nao by being in this channel I am on the most important record atm.)
BingoBoingo: It seems pretty clear though than many people on the NYDFS committee though likely hold more BTC than these witnesses though.
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BingoBoingo: Witnessing at one of these committees and not doing this retarded thing people who imagine themselves public speaking capable do where they simply read prepared statements verbatim could be educative to prevent future Amir Taaki and Charles Lee situations.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if any of these people speaking has ever had to handle a classroom where one has to anticipate any degree of retardation and ignorance from student questions.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine such chances are low. That is why I kind of hold this out as a bit of a dream.
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BingoBoingo: Maybe if Illinois has one of these things I could find myself invited. Illinois is rather similar to NY. Both States are giant wastland with Giant cities occupying a small portion of the waste.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the biggest difference comes from settlers in Illinois having become victims of a native joke and naming Chicago after the region's natural onion stink.
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BingoBoingo: My big complaint about these hearings is that the only thing close to "I don't know how your assumptions could be so broken that you describe reality with such retarded lenses" seems to be coming out of the fucking regulators on the dias.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Being 10 minutes out from catching up with the Day's proceedings I imagine Odesk will probably be too slow and too shitty (the second point is never a question with Odesk)
mike_c: you might be surprised. i've hired some odeskers for transcribing before and it worked pretty well. hit and miss though i'm sure.
BingoBoingo: Maybe my world has been small but I have never seen quality work transcibing done by those who are not extremely poor and brown or the other extreme which is incredibly professional court reporters.
mike_c: i'm sure they were poor. i did not pay much.
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BingoBoingo: Poor isn't necessarily the greatest problem maybe. Probably desperation might be bigger.
BingoBoingo: THere's a bit of overlap here that makes the right attribute hard to sus out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bodypart coins see so simpler though. Value through removing value.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bag of preservative with integrating cutting mechanism.
BingoBoingo: Kind of what I imagined. Dunno how many ways there are to imagine such a thing though.
BingoBoingo: Dunno how many recyclable parts are actually present in the head though.
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BingoBoingo: 85 minutes into the hearing, saving coins creates a weird dynamic
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gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)
gribble: Error: 'vexual' is not a valid channel.
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 12 hours, 26 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Vexual> my axe
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herbijudlestoids: he asked me if i could convince a friend of mine to accept bitcoin
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BingoBoingo: Obama is just phoning it in. This has to be the least relevant SOTU in decades.
Apocalyptic: he's broken some records, that one is not surprising
BingoBoingo: Here's a hint, Americans who work in solar and whose jobs can't be outsourced operate squeegees
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: He talks so much about the economy and energy so far. He's pretty powerless nao on those things. The only thing he could actually do without outsourcing to wishful thinking would be to legalize the wacky tobbacky
BingoBoingo: I don't even know how he can talk about immigration reform without rescinding airport rape stations.
csu: lol @ airport rape stations. so true.
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gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> :)
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ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prollu because this time she isn't shitting of their favored scams?
mircea_popescu: shittingb on them > shitting on their fav scam of the time.
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mircea_popescu: "Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it. Something is clearly seriously wrong with that guy!! It would be nice if someone were to hack him (and all companies industrializing/profiting off the bitcoin with expensive rigs) and donate the bitcoins to charity (bitcoin100 or etc)."
mircea_popescu: this is the reason i do not wish to live in a world without opression, and this is why bullshit like "social justice" is outright immoral.
mircea_popescu: some people should be oppressed, and currently are not oppressed nearly enough.
mircea_popescu: punkman obviously, twitter and dns are shady services open to hackers and drug dealing.
punkman: I like that it still takes a few phone calls to steal whatever
punkman: nice domain you got there, shame you are not using it
BingoBoingo: punkman: Amazing how GPG could have prevented that disaster.
jurov: or at least 2FA. not the backdoored google kind
punkman: BingoBoingo: well not if they just change your key when you call them
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amazing how if you don't offer people any way to change their account they'll be unhappy.
BingoBoingo: punkman: No one gets to change keys though unless they can sign the change with a still older key of theirs.
punkman: BingoBoingo: of course they do, "hey guys dog ate my key, can I change to this new one?" "ok"
BingoBoingo: punkman: And you revoke it by shear number of keys you exclusively control, or your identity is essentially dead. Not lost. Dead.
mircea_popescu: punkman people totally misunderstanding what customer service is.
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punkman: mircea_popescu: what customer service?
punkman: they got too many users to give a fuck
mircea_popescu: well yes, customer service : hire a bunch of veggies to go "yes sir, sure sir, can do sir" to anyone walking in
punkman: and they call it "live" support.
punkman: even if all they do is write an internal support ticket on your behalf
mircea_popescu: the test cheating mentality : they aren't trying to deliver, they just try to hack into your measures and make it seem like they do.
punkman: said message being "mr manager, dear customer says problem"
mircea_popescu: like, you imagine that talking to someone is more likely to resolve anything ? fine, they'll train dogs to talk to you.
mircea_popescu: hacking is a much larger part of corporate culture than corporations willingly admit, even to themselves.
mircea_popescu: the same people who indignantly protest to the judge that random guy "hacked into their computers" just spent the entire day trying to hack their customers.
nubbins`: "can we disable the user's back button?"
nubbins`: fun fact, i once refused to make a code change on moral grounds
mircea_popescu: the amusing part, of course, being that cheating ACTUALLY IS being clever, but only IN SOME CONDITIONS.
mircea_popescu: by completely abandoning a critical review of those conditions, and instead going with formalisms, like
mircea_popescu: this situation exactly mirrors the situation in speech, where people imagine "being nice" or "polite" consists of never using word X, such as nigger or fucktard, rather than, you know, actually being nice/polite/whatever
nubbins`: "where did this $9t go?" "we currently don't have that information until we finish our review" etc
mircea_popescu: "professional" is "guy in a suit". pure cargo cultism.
nubbins`: i was ruminating on this the other day
mircea_popescu: the obnoxious part is that i wear suits. always have. i was a highscooler with a three piece suit.
mircea_popescu: i happen to like them. but wtf is with all these weasels!
nubbins`: flapping your face = doing business
punkman: I like this: "being friendly: looking out for your interests. being polite: obeying social decorum."
punkman: being polite is useless mostly
nubbins`: ^ this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature
nubbins`: being friendly: having a lel. being polite: inviting others to have a lel.
nubbins`: sebastian marshall had a lel writing that, and we had a lel reading it
nubbins`: we are friendly and he is polite!
nubbins`: you're downright amicable. don't kid yourself
nubbins`: "where are his arms? why is a laptop hanging from his belt?"
mircea_popescu: and speaking of ideas, i can't believe nobody invented the spots solarium yet.
mircea_popescu: you could have the light concentrate in particular places, make the girls look like leopards naturally.
mircea_popescu: if they're say 2x2 to 3x5 or so they look... you know, like a leopard
nubbins`: you'd need to keep tanning the same spots too, so you'd end up with your skin prematurely aged in certain areas
punkman: you could take a vinyl body suit and cut some holes, wouldn't be very comfortable to tan in
nubbins`: look at my beautiful leopard spots ;(
KRS1: you are hawt nubbins
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mircea_popescu: so it looks like argentina will be getting a currency reform
mircea_popescu: that's the fifth or so peso they ruined, those people.
Duffer1: andreas antonopolous talked about that a bit recently in an interview with joe rogan
ozbot: Joe Rogan Experience #446 - Andreas Antonopoulos - YouTube
Duffer1: it's a good interview if you need to brush up on some good sounding talking points
mircea_popescu: from cnn right after the O speech last night: I think I’ve said before that I think a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex. The worst there ever was is still excellent, and I thought he gave a very competent performance tonight”
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that entire dispute is pretty much a testament to how fundamentally unworkable the system has become
mircea_popescu: i mean... i don't get it, i consider myself educated and so forth but i can't come to a conclusion
truffles: an intellectual but not a genius :D
mircea_popescu: are they saying "we don't have to sign something we don't want to sign because jesus" ? is it mopre like "we don't want to say anything definite about abortion in writing because we can't grok the consequences" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically some group had a religious objection to a form (they were nuns) . They pretested the need to complete the form in court. The court said well, you don't need to do that form, but you can fill out this identical form we imagineered or produce your own identical form. (the form relating to some Obamacar Birth Control thing)
mircea_popescu: but WHY did they protestg, what's being objected to exactly ?
BingoBoingo: Well, that they have to fill out a form to not cover birth control for their employees.
BingoBoingo: Basically there being a form at all seems to actually make Baby Jesus cry was their argument.
BingoBoingo: Not that they had to cover the birth control, but that there was a form.
ozbot: Ripped OFF by bitbet.us
Duffer1: scrooge mcpopescu - L. Ron Popescu - now Sherif Popescu
Duffer1: how dare you spellcheck me
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BingoBoingo: I am sad to announce that I don't want to bet on this superbowl. When the most interesting player is the fucking underdog's cornerback... I'm out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, i burned a lot of cycles on the subject of why the fuck sports bets are faring so poorly on bitbet.
truffles: betting on sports is like watching money leave pocket
kakobrekla: >Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it.
mircea_popescu: the obvious explanation, and perhaps the likely one, is that bitbet just isn't particularly central in the betting space.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly bitbet isn lagging on sports because it is too good at finance
mircea_popescu: however, it may also be that SPORTS BETTING isn't central. or in other words : the focus on advertising, scandal and bullshit, as wel las changing social mores and expectations have pretty much killed that model.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues.
Duffer1: MP or there's not enough sports book being made to attract a betting crowd
mircea_popescu: so in that theory, they will exist in old venues (like days ago someone mentioned old style phone service that's still continued . to the death of the captive customer)
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BingoBoingo: Well, of course it is inertia. It also pulls the sports bettors to more dangerous venues that offer lines on as many competitions as possible, as opposed to safe ole bitbet that only tries to offer profitable competitions
BingoBoingo: Basically Bitbet is too responsible to attract sports bettors.
mircea_popescu: so perhaps a correct model could be, "sports betting consists of people who lived in the 70s, had fun with bets in the 70s, continuing to do what they did then, where they did it then"
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mircea_popescu: if that's the case, a start-up hoping to get that market on a new model would be kinda doomed. the paying customer is too old to move and the young customer does not exist.
BingoBoingo: Prolly and nao where it interesects with bitcoin includes you kids who wish they were in the 70's so they could sync iPods on their PDP-11
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but there are plenty of insane bets on bitbet
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ThickAsThieves: [07:25] <mircea_popescu> you buncha commies. you redistributed it did you <<< There is no escape from decentralization, chaos is nature after all!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, but I imagine most sports bettors never had the money to make a dent in the 2B difficulty bet.
Duffer1: bets not being created doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest in betting with bitcoin, if there was a specific section dedicated to live odds sports book it just might attract more people
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mircea_popescu: Duffer1 there's at least half a dozen diff sites that tried - and failed - to live on that model.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as football this year goes though, the NFL has had one on its most boring years in history.
Duffer1: i wouldn't know, just a thought ^.^
mircea_popescu: the problem is this : other than the intrinsic unfairness to the bettors of the line model, it also requires VERY highly skilled people working for the hgouse, and non stop.
BingoBoingo: Last year Ray Lewis was in the Superbowl for stabbin bitches. This year Richard Sherman is in for yelling.
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BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They those bots have openings too.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues. <<< maybe it's like the forum sports betting is just a buncha scammers and noobs alt-betting
mircea_popescu: hft bots aren't a magic amulet, like "bitcoin makes me anon so i can buy drugz"
herbijudlestoids: i guess ot make a good bot would require similar investment to having good people
BingoBoingo: HTF bots get owned by Slow penetrating bots
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herbijudlestoids: moral of the story: just like all other businesses, an appropriate level of investment is required to have a successful outcome
BingoBoingo: I mean the people who claim to bitcoin sportsbet seem to overlap with the BTC poker people
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is factual. the question of interest however, is if such an audience even exists, and other such things.
truffles: betting site but doesnt know market hmmm
mircea_popescu: truffles nobody knows the market. some people admit to it.
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: if you offered them a betting model that has a lower house commission, etc they might be very interested
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's the house comission on line betting normally ? 2-5% ?
mircea_popescu: the difference to your risk of ruin between 1 and 4% is HUGE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00438319 = 0.2542 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: it has more liquidity than vegas and no coverage at all
mircea_popescu: bitbet actually PAYS 100 dollars for every bet made, yet people don't make sports bets.
mircea_popescu: it would seem so, but i have suspicions that it's simply a question of there not being a market.
mircea_popescu: which is a question that has to be resolved bfore i throw money at marketing people.
chetty: The federal agency charged with helping consumers make better financial decisions is facing questions about how it has managed its own money.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00088532 = 11.9518 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00438354 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously more research is needed here. for one thing, how do we even know they're truffles.
herbijudlestoids: the other option is ramp the entry costs and target high net worth betters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51677618 = 2.5839 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i would love to target high net work bettors, strictly to hear why they think it sucks.
ThickAsThieves: well what is the most popular form of sports betting, its that intrade shares shit right?
mircea_popescu: i don't have a book. anyone has/knows someone with a large old style book ?
herbijudlestoids: many moons ago i used to work as an ops guy for a large cable tv company
BingoBoingo: You know for someone who uses shady forum advertised sports books quite a bit... I prolly ought to look harder at who runs them.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves intrade is ded. not sure if popular tbh, but definitely dead.
herbijudlestoids: and one of the security guards happened to be extremely well off, but he worked as a guard to keep the tax offic eoff his back
herbijudlestoids: he owned a couple of horses and was relatively well known with the sydney horse racing community
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14088 @ 0.00088811 = 12.5117 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: one of my friends has my old job, ill ask him if the dude still works there
herbijudlestoids: he *always* used to hassle me about making him an algo to arb the different online markets
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, but i can't do that while random fuckwits keep smoking pot and getting arrested.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00438754 = 0.4388 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: because i'd have to have a bank do it for me, and i'd have to impose they interface btc, which they don;'t wish to do etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00439999 = 0.2156 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: then i'd have their book, go through the past 20 years, talk to everyone.
BingoBoingo: The Mariners might be 10K BTC this year and 1 K BTC next year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00445469 = 0.8776 BTC [+] {7}
ThickAsThieves: you know the imaginary hotshot pro i made up in my head
truffles: oh look who doest know everything
BingoBoingo: truffles: The things are these are things no one knows
herbijudlestoids: i thought i knew someone in online sports advertising but it was music and the business has been sold to VICE anyway
mircea_popescu: buncha old farts who think themselves cutting edge because they sorta-can read the email their granddaughter sends
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Betting is a chore. I could not imagin the pain of running a venture.
mircea_popescu: except they miss about half the pics, like say the drunken shots of her getting shagged in front of the courthouse.
mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to get listed on mpex and imagine they're into bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, this sounds promising. and i'll have to do what, explain to them what they're doing wrong ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In BTC businesses with funnels die.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468746 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {5}
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herbijudlestoids: i saw on linkedin there was at least one HF looking to hire BTC trader, so someone must be looking to build their book
mircea_popescu: because i don't wish to destroy, i wish to exist. bitcoin is essential to this, and so here i am doing things i don't particularly wish to do on their own,
mircea_popescu: so that this thing may ruin the faces and lives of people i don't like.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00479789 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: maybe bitbet can get into some kind of futures offerings
mircea_popescu: somewhere there's an old greaseball who knows all the angles of line betting.
Duffer1: you'll need a joe peschi though too
mircea_popescu: no, that's the beauty of it. i won't need a joe pesci.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.51728865 = 10.3458 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: the entire rest of bloodsuckers is going away. i just need the one guy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.526675 = 2.1067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 387 @ 0.00484029 = 1.8732 BTC [+] {13}
ThickAsThieves: lol, the forum whined so hard they got Friedcat to finally comment
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mircea_popescu: in fairness the fallout is a lot less than i imagined this summer.
mircea_popescu: am shares shed a degree of magnitude, nobody's particularly fazed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00499945 = 1.6498 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: maybe people are better at pricing the future than given credit for.
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone here with a salesman's slick and within distance of vegas ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00499995 = 0.63 BTC [+] {3}
herbijudlestoids: what are you after? someone who can lay bets off into the casinos?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7213 @ 0.00089423 = 6.4501 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no, someone who can go to each bookie, take their main line man out to lunch, hussle him to talk to me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.00089478 = 5.0439 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: people are more a resource than cash, yet people steal cash way more often than people.
truffles: make them an offer they cant refuse?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves indeed. bitcoin is first and foremost fun.
mircea_popescu: truffles no, make them an effort they certainly can't refuse, but won't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00499999 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
ThickAsThieves: Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
ThickAsThieves: Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
ThickAsThieves: Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
ThickAsThieves: 0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
truffles: if they knew who u were would they want to work for u :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1495 @ 0.00082053 = 1.2267 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: does it mine the litecoins though
mircea_popescu: hahaha. seriously, do you have any employment truffles ?
mircea_popescu: so he wouldn't work for me because whatever, nor for anyone else for entirely different reasons.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10870 @ 0.00088529 = 9.6231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: get a friend, make pitches each day, send me one a week, i'll tell you when you're good for vegas.
ThickAsThieves: if youre american, youve been in training for sales your whole life
BingoBoingo: I guess I'll start practicing this weekend.
mircea_popescu: even if you never get good enough for vegas, it'll help your love life.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo, that comment from happy wheels is a spam, you do know that rite?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00499999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Was it? I just thought they had bad taste in links
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess I'll practice this salesmanship thing. Shame I couldn't be practicing it at this new work circus. I mean seriously public speaking and reading shit verbatim?
kakobrekla: ;;google "You really make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something which I think I would never understand."
ozbot: Spaceships worth more than $200,000 destroyed in biggest virtual space battle ever | The Verge
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: If I still was active on Eve the best I could have supplied for that would have been a gnat like thing full of viscious, still more gnat like things.
herbijudlestoids: im a professional spruiker but i already got a job i like and also much further away from vegas :P
kakobrekla: is this how eulora is going to go down? "a village ripped in Eulora, 2000 BTC btc carriages destroyed and horses burned"
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i read about that on slashdot, some interesting comments, some people put the value at half or less, a lot of people mentioned how reading about EVE battles is better than the battles :P
herbijudlestoids: i gotta admit the description of the battle was quite interesting for someone who has never played the game
Duffer1: i "watched" a live stream of the battle on twitch.tv
BingoBoingo: I'm starting to get kind of interesting in this idea of poaching talent from places that aren't East St Louis.
herbijudlestoids: actually thats an idea i had while reading aboutthe battle, game servers people can rent in BTC
Duffer1: it looked like a space themed desktop background rather than a game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60490001 = 2.4196 BTC [+] {3}
herbijudlestoids: seems unlike other bitcoin faucets in that it really just is a faucet
herbijudlestoids: all the others you need to click an ad or watch a video or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 624 @ 0.00502002 = 3.1325 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.6315351 = 25.8929 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 900 @ 0.00046001 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00519874 = 0.4159 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 217 @ 0.00545822 = 1.1844 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00568028 = 0.1874 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.04484043 = 2.7801 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00589 = 0.913 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6498 = 2.5992 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63980002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088948 = 10.0956 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899998 = 0.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63980002 = 4.4786 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >As you saw I sent an email to all FIMB holders regarding repayment. I plan on repaying 50% now and the rest as my personal mining income comes in.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6575 = 3.945 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mostly supply the fuel the stations run on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.66710002 = 6.671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.00588852 = 1.3544 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04899999 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i mean if you're into trading then ok, you got a penny stock market.
herbijudlestoids: im too busy thinking of ideas and then not implementing them because theyre not perfect
herbijudlestoids: i have a whole farm of algos, waiting for vols to die down on bitcoin before i try them out there
herbijudlestoids: send me the EOD data for MPOE and i will backtest it against one of the simpler ones
herbijudlestoids: you sould send a couple of BTC to the guy who writes quantmod for R to add feed support for MPEX :D
mircea_popescu: there's pympex, why should i support the proprietary pastures of the obsolete world ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67389999 = 6.739 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 492 @ 0.00588943 = 2.8976 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.049 = 2.891 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: hmm ok so this is for trading? im talking about data feed for quantitative analysis...timeseries of the price of the contracts/assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.67475 = 5.398 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: quantmod has a function getSymbols() so i can pull say, 2000 bars of EOD data for an ETF and run various analysis against it
herbijudlestoids: supports yahoo finance, mysql backend, etc...im just suggesting fund the dev to add support so that it can pull the price feed off mpex with getSymbols too
mircea_popescu: afaik there's some people offering the full history, including kako
mircea_popescu: otherwise you can just query mpex and form your own history.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00289899 = 0.2899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088529 = 15.0499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00596764 = 0.4237 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00613504 = 0.6135 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: MPEX Socket | #bitcoin-assets
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nubbins`: "Of further note, if vegas paid out the way this Matic "Tic, hence bloodsucker" guy pays out, they'd be entirely shutdown in less than 24 hours."
mircea_popescu: course matic is not read like mah tick but like mytits
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you don't need a mpex acct to read the feed im sure.
mircea_popescu: and a few people are doing more or less something with the data, but there's always room for more
mircea_popescu: global warming hits florida : schools closed down because of the carbon footprint everywhere.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00008142 = 0.2036 BTC [-] {13}
kakobrekla: yes, this reading thing, very powerful stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 232 @ 0.00615889 = 1.4289 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: why, that's only pennies per hour!
gribble: Error: 'infinity' is not a defined function.
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
herbijudlestoids: i dont want a subscription to the feed, i can append to it manually as necessary but i just wanted a one off dump of the existing EOD data
herbijudlestoids: if its too hard, nw, just a thought that popped in my head then my plan was always to use the algos on BTCUSD in the future :)
truffles: some ppl want free help but they dont want to give free help
herbijudlestoids: truffles: i happen to think free data is useful and democratising, allowing people like me to do today what was only in the purview of hedge funds and instos just 10y ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.66675 = 2.667 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1600 @ 0.00615889 = 9.8542 BTC [+]
AleksG: Hello, Mr. Mircea Popescu. I wrote to you about cryptography. I wrote to you about cryptography. Here you can download a video presentation of the world's absolute cryptographic protection
http://rmxcrypt.com/ herbijudlestoids: but whatevs, i go where the data and liquidity is, plenty of it around
mircea_popescu: "greed" is a meaningless symbol only defined in your own system. it's about as important as flogiston, generally.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+]
AleksG: Other information I can send you by email
mircea_popescu: as presented your statement readily reduces to "that which people do which isn't reducible to our own idiocy and our own idiocy don't mix", which further reduces to nonA is disjunct from A. which it is. whoop.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285 = 0.285 BTC [-]
truffles: guess u want pat on the back for missing the point
mircea_popescu: no, i mostly use you as a cockpuppet to illustrate the concepts involved for the general readership.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
truffles: sure take 1 or 2 examples to make a point that is unsupported then call it fact right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.655 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: asking for free data, bad idea, continue with the discussion about vegas or eve or whatever
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i think we long forgot about that lol
truffles: this is about arguing with a wall
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the data is free, query mpex, get the jsons, store them, in a week or w/e you have your sample.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00088758 = 22.1007 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you can't wait a week or w/e it takes pay someone who already did it, if you don't like paying wait, whatevs.
kakobrekla: the data on the socket is from late 2012, thats the point.
☟︎ truffles: herbijudlestoids do ulive in america?
truffles: nah my unscientific poll that i will randomly keep
herbijudlestoids: vexual is from aus, he lives near a friend of mine and asked me if that friend accepted bitcoin for his jewellery so i convinced him to get a bitpay acct and he did
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nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, try ;;later tell vexual hey bru i have something to tell you
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "vexual" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
herbijudlestoids: he is hawt i guess, very smart guy, chemist and biologist who lives in the paradiseyiest bit of aus
nubbins`: i liked australia more when i knew less about it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the best thing about postmodernism is just how nicely varied people are these days.
truffles: jewelry i might actually wear :D
herbijudlestoids: i told him to get a bitpay account and bitcoin cunts would support him just for accepting bitcoin
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty sure he talks about being an Aussie
truffles: the one on bottom right reminds me of body part hmm
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ozbot: "I cant help it if some of the light goes across the road. Put something up in your window."
truffles: i dont like the shapes though...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00615888 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i like some of them, but he's only actually selling two
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the other night you and vexual convinced me to get a WoT account which i dutifully did. i think you were a little drunk. why did i do that?
AleksG: Mircea Popescu, I gotta go, I'm waiting for a letter from you on agclear.energy@gmail.com
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BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I was indeed very drunk. A little drunk is what I am nao that I am contemplating bedtime.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As to why you got the WoT account. Read moar?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i stayed on for ages trying to rate you 10, but it kept telling me i needed rating first :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63000001 = 4.41 BTC [-]
Duffer1: why do i get the feeling that guy took a fat shit in your inbox ..
mircea_popescu: they did that so in case i go this it may one day not show zeroes
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: he mentioned to me that he is putting a bunch up soon
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I mean what would my reason for rating you have been. DId you sharpie in the pooper or something?
ozbot: "Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do th
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.634 = 1.902 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: where u at? if youre considering bed either must be close by to me or strange sleep patterns
ozbot: Larridinya Carvings Jade and Bone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02800039 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 85 @ 0.02800005 = 2.38 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615888 = 0.6467 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: in re: user support, one has to talk to aws user support to reveal their VAT reg. number
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3806 @ 0.00089143 = 3.3928 BTC [+]
jurov: instead of them writing it on invoices (as obliged by law, by the way)
ThickAsThieves: "it just needs to be more branded. If you add more brand without changing the design"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it gets way better. "They're not hidden, they're on a shelf. Obviously you're going to say my design isn't very good so you can justify charging to redesign it. Everyone who has seen the current brochure has said it is amazing. Ive got a degree in fine arts and I've done an advanced course in Adobe. I probably know more indesign than you do. Art is subjective. I branded it to appeal to our customers, the
herbijudlestoids: and also because the economic profit of designing websites went down significantly?
mircea_popescu: everyone copes in his own way. apparently there's a huge premium the internet puts on coping by insulting and publicly humiliating the stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00615889 = 1.0039 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for some odd reason in romania "brand" denotes the thick of one's arm
ThickAsThieves: particularly in that you are teaching them something they REALLY dont want to believe
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No need to own a still. Time spent operating a hypothical or alleged still could be better spent on other ventures.
herbijudlestoids: i work in large scale IaaS and its the same, you gotta educate everyone
herbijudlestoids: justuwait, the next gen kiddies will know all our secrets by the time theyre 12 and work for minimum wage to do the same thing
mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound a little too much like popular bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what rattles me is this : how can you sit there and propose democracy as anything but a horror, with this experience ?
ThickAsThieves: i also began to feel guilty manipulating customers to not shoot themselves
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i think there is a lot to be said for systems with high friction
mircea_popescu: why would you want more democracy at all, or any democracy whatsoever in anything you care about at all ?
ThickAsThieves: thats the big joke in entering the graphic design field
herbijudlestoids: complex systems "complicate away" friction and make the system less robust
ThickAsThieves: but that job is all about doing what everyone else ssays
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so make them simple rather than open.
mircea_popescu: this is why you make your designers work nude and spank them occasionally.
mircea_popescu: then they still hate you but a) you're having fun and b) they also love you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: because as it turns out, not *all* jobs are about doing what everyone else says and if youve got talent you can command those jobs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you don't have the greenest grass wtf are you doing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should have hired the whole stable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615821 = 0.6466 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should have paid her to dump her bf.
ThickAsThieves: well remember, she probably harbored hate for me by then
davout: yay, assets became SFW again
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: maybe democracy isnt what i mean. i want more information to be freely available so those who are interested in it can use it to make informed decisions. to "level the playing field"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6345 = 2.538 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: but if i cant efficiently allocate it then i wont allocate it to anything but cash and gold since im risk averse
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's a subtle point involved here : back when information cost money you had a bunch of ignoramuses clearly labeled as such and lots of educated people.
mircea_popescu: in the wake of wikipedia you have strictly ignoramuses with delusions of education
mircea_popescu: and a few old people left over. once they die that's it.
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herbijudlestoids: so economists used to be better at predicting the economy and now they suck?
herbijudlestoids: or economists have always sucked at predicting the economy and now we know it
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you take the whole predictive discourse of economy in 1913 and compare to 2013
mircea_popescu: you will find a marked decline in the average quality.
davout: wouldn't "forecasting" be a better match?
mircea_popescu: this is BECAUSE a democratic view to specialist fields is harmful for everyone involved :
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: as someone who actually sits on SSRN in his free time reading research old and new i kind of disagree
herbijudlestoids: i dunno about your view but i am just saying predictive discourse was worse in 1913 than now
mircea_popescu: tho it's a huge task, you can't even read all the deluge of today
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe subscribe to some more interesting stuff than SSRN
ThickAsThieves: is it really a prediction if it was the plan all along?
mircea_popescu: i strictly mean, average quality went down, in the sense the understanding displayed dwindled. not in the sense better predictions were done
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: plenty of interesting stuff from hedge funds and instos goes up there as working papers daily ;)
mircea_popescu: the part dealing with why technology can't help the police)
ThickAsThieves: "OK guys, everyone processed these stellar news? Let's be optimistic that the driest patch is over, esp. communications-wise. Keep in mind though, the dividends won't rise until April and there still may be weeks of silence where friedcat fixes the last problems"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00580002 = 0.5684 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00088935 = 5.7808 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the notion that the imperial household is in any way limited wasn't doing too well over there anyway.
herbijudlestoids: any chance of having assbot broadcasting in another chan with mode +q set so the logger i setup only stores the orders?
mircea_popescu: what good are 3Gh/W chips at 3 dollars each in that context ?
nubbins`: a guy really does lsd in that wall street movie and writes an exam and passes it?
ThickAsThieves: "If I was inclined to have a boyfriend, I would select one my height and weight to save having to readjust the driver's seat position. I am not interested in doubling my wardrobe as I wear the same outfit everyday to facilitate speedy identification should I ever be in a boating accident."
nubbins`: not being american nor a stock broker, can't say that i have
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63499 = 1.27 BTC [+]
nubbins`: you'd crash and burn pretty close to the start
nubbins`: unless you actually did take lsd
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's like the SAT, except to even show on the scale in s7 you need about 98% on the sat.
nubbins`: in which case the crash and burn would be more like a smouldering fire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002825 = 0.226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: enough so that most people rely on their comp to pay for it.
nubbins`: actuarial exams are a paid-for thing usually, as well
nubbins`: looked into this some years ago when deciding whether to do statistics or not
mircea_popescu: so are drugs. now, would you take a 20 dollar hit the day of a 20k exam ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00615889 = 0.2217 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you're not getting a pass. which is you know... wtf, this guy PASSED ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63499 BTC [+]
ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
nubbins`: if you can pay to remove bans, posts like that should entitle you to a get-out-of-jail-free card
nubbins`: "OP made me feel quite ashamed of how a lot of the listed qualities that i find so disgusting in of the mindsets of some the crypto following, so succinctly described my own actions which i never looked closely, instead just looking at others in contempt."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63499 = 4.4449 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "I don't want the next big job creating discovery, the research and technology, to be in Germany, or China, or Japan," the president said
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00615889 = 0.1293 BTC [+]
ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63749999 = 2.55 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.40600000 / 0.54752483 / 0.67500000 (304 shares, 166.44754973 BTC), 7D: 0.34000000 / 0.47735293 / 0.70890000 (1936 shares, 924.15527485 BTC), 30D: 0.28090000 / 0.47903449 / 0.74500000 (5435 shares, 2603.55244873 BTC)
nubbins`: <zantafio> i have hundred btc on just dice.. very nvervous right now
nubbins`: i'd be nervous with 100btc on a DICE SITE even if it wasn't down
nubbins`: that's like almost half a house!
nubbins`: "sez here you lost an incredible amount of money to some website. do you know who runs it?" "some guy named doug, i think"
herbijudlestoids: in aus the house price to avg salary ratio is double the US, so 100BTC is like, 20% at best for the value of a house here :P
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: GDP/capits is 70k PP USD in AUS and about 49k PPUSD in AUS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00615889 = 0.5789 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ro gdp/capita is like 8k. average salary is like 500, minimum wage is a whopping 150 dollars.
nubbins`: know the average income of the city bill gates lives?
herbijudlestoids: just checked to confirm US avg salary is $52k USD and AUS avg salary is $73k AUD, evens out to be about 50/70 on a PP basis
mircea_popescu: point remains, there is a LOT of variance in both housing prices and salaries in the us.
mircea_popescu: the "half a house" comment probably references older discussions re the housing market in central ohio
nubbins`: nah just going on my own house
nubbins`: only one person who regulars this chan cares about central ohio ;p
ThickAsThieves: it's like $2800 for 1000sqft in San Francisco and $800/mo for a 1700sqft house in north Florida
nubbins`: so many people from around here own houses in florida now
nubbins`: imagine, the descendants of fishmongers from what is historically canada's poorest province, scooping up florida real estate like monopoly properties
nubbins`: not sure if it says more about here or there
mircea_popescu: The “True Love Tester” bra can’t be masterfully unhooked by some skeevy player who hit on the wearer at a club. No, this bra only comes undone when sensors embedded inside it that are connected wirelessly to a smartphone app detect a particular heart rate
nubbins`: guess it's not for the gym either
nubbins`: actually the reverse would be great for the gym
nubbins`: keep your heart rate up OR ELSE
herbijudlestoids: the house price to income in aus is about 4 atm and about 3 in the US
nubbins`: it's like the pay toilets in korea, you stop feeding coins and the door pops open
nubbins`: "sorta like"... they make shock collars for small dogs too :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00287999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00089478 = 27.3355 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wanna share a song i just finished, but have no one to share with
nubbins`: put it on soundcloud and let the world hear
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 45 @ 0.028 = 1.26 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: regarding s.mg forums/wikis/etc, the deal is one cannot simultaneously use game assets and accept payment?
nubbins`: does that extend to likenesses of assets or just the originals?
nubbins`: say, a rendition of creature x
nubbins`: specifically, one with some sort of in-game beastie incorporated into the logo
nubbins`: not a lot to discuss yet, but figured it'd be nice to have something in place for when there is
nubbins`: well i was thinking about banning everyone by default
nubbins`: hence the original question ;D
mircea_popescu: well then if you ban everyone what do i care ? i'll never know.
nubbins`: you'd probably get an honorary membership
nubbins`: (a) to cover costs and (b) to get paid
nubbins`: justifiable if the content is there
nubbins`: for instance, gigposters.com forums costs $20/year for "premium" membership
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 162 @ 0.00615889 = 0.9977 BTC [+]
nubbins`: not required, but you're mercilessly browbeaten if you leech too much good advice without buying one.
nubbins`: and the real nice stuff, like plans for equipment, is hidden inside the premium members subforum
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but listen, if what you want is to get paid, you should do something else than a forum
mircea_popescu: forums are god awful for this purpose. do something that pays.
azi`: so weird.. if you want to withdraw funds from mtgox and send them to another BTC you are faced with "invalid BTC address" error multiple times and it only works after a random amount of "submit clicks..
azi`: i am wondering if they use this to stall funds on the site...
nubbins`: tbf, if i wanted to get paid well, i'd not have retired from IT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8455 @ 0.00089467 = 7.5644 BTC [-]
azi`: am I just paranoid?
nubbins`: but that aside, i can't see myself running a free-for-all forum
KRS1: they've done other things like disabled onclick actions when you try to submit a form
azi`: KRS1: hm? what does thatmean
KRS1: they disabled submit buttons in the past
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well that's kinda it, as a general principle. if you want to get paid do something that pays
mircea_popescu: rather than try to finagle a fundamentally unpaying model into paying you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62916666 = 3.775 BTC [-] {2}
azi`: KRS1: so they are a bit shady..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 700 @ 0.00086552 = 0.6059 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00614 = 0.5772 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: so shady they don't wear sunblock on hot days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006157 = 1.2314 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.006157 = 0.9297 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00086666 = 0.208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15699 @ 0.00089511 = 14.0523 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00615699 = 0.862 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00615195 = 0.1415 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: nubbins try to approach some existing forums with your congenial idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00550122 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00287999 = 0.167 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1610 @ 0.00009101 = 0.1465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00606959 = 0.1396 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00089267 = 11.2923 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6349999 = 5.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: your first problem is thinking a bitcoin stock chart is going to make sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31923 @ 0.00088774 = 28.3393 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62 = 3.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1609 @ 0.00610504 = 9.823 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63256631 = 18.977 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 900 @ 0.00634031 = 5.7063 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0062003 = 0.3038 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.6604054 = 11.2269 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.66777777 = 4.0067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0063499 = 0.273 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09016667 = 0.2705 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00638866 = 7.0275 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 206 @ 0.00636114 = 1.3104 BTC [-] {3}
b0n1: what do you think? The drop at january is much later than the cleaning update, right? Did they clean directly when the cleaner was included in the microsoft update, or did they install the cleaner and trigger them simultaneously at a given time in the middle of january?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11614 @ 0.00088298 = 10.2549 BTC [-]
TomServo: b0n1: You're wondering about the drop in LTC hashrate? Around the 19th?
b0n1: TomServo its sefnit, isnt it?
b0n1: why so fast and abrupt?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00287912 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00638997 = 0.6326 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.669 = 2.007 BTC [+]
b0n1: well doge was much longer more profitable than ltc, right? why do people switch so rapidly?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66999999 = 4.69 BTC [+]
TomServo: Because the price shot up around the same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.67 = 2.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 210 @ 0.00083012 = 0.1743 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00287912 = 0.1123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
pankkake: why do people switch so rapidly => because it's often automated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088526 = 2.1689 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 283068 | Current Difficulty: 2.193847870174279E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 284255 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2455257168.03 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.91556
ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
mod6: so what happened to LTC difficulty? fell off a table ~1/20/14
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
mod6: i like btcwisdom for its fibonacci fans&retracement tools
mod6: nice chart, thx TomServo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0063 = 0.1386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45853 @ 0.00088859 = 40.7445 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63002023 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08213333 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: b0n1 fwiw, it's more likely doge than whatever botnet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08105001 = 0.3242 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0063 = 0.4599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0063 = 0.567 BTC [+]
TomServo: check out the funbags on that hosehound'
mircea_popescu: don't tell me you're a fan of the cartoon dorkage of the 80s
mircea_popescu: i hated that hanna barbera shit. scooby doo, the jetsons, roadrunner, the works.
TomServo: I preferred, M.A.S.K, COPS and transformers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00609911 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {5}
TomServo: That fro though; That's impressive.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tho this may be more a function of photographic technology. sometime around my puberty they figured out how to take your picture without blinding you with twelve billion watts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4647 @ 0.0008869 = 4.1214 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 71 @ 0.00323947 = 0.23 BTC [+] {8}
TomServo: Road Runner was a Loony Toon btw
mod6: i kinda liked the Road Runner.
mod6: Wile E. Coyote running off cliff without realizing that there is no ground beneath his feet reminds me of U.S. econ.
mircea_popescu: but why ? the coyote tries shit, the roadrunner does not. yet it always comes ahead.
mod6: hhaha, i dunno. guess he's just too fast.
mircea_popescu: i get it, the socialist mind wants this to be the case. yet... shiut doesn't work that way.
mircea_popescu: irl the coyote eventually fucks up the roadrunner. badly.
mod6: I supposed after enough chance encounters, sooner or later the otherside wins one.
mircea_popescu: kinda what got me, you know ? it never fucking won. gets boring to watch it if you know the result aforehand
mod6: true enough. the main attraction is to find out what devious scheme the coyote will attempt and ultimately fail with.
mircea_popescu: suppose no matter what you did, the computer just blinked the screen once. that's it.
nubbins`: well, wimpy kids watching cartoons don't want the mean guy to win, y'know?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't make anyone too interested in programming would it
nubbins`: on account of him wanting to have lunch
TomServo: I'm with mod6, the draw was seeing what nonsense was Macgyver'd up by the coyote. (Much like MacGyver incidentally)
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never got into that, either : he always succeeds
mod6: yah, McGyver always seems to figure it out, always works out for him. never ends up with his balls in a vice.
ThickAsThieves: CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to Revolutionize News Gathering
mircea_popescu: of the newer stuff i watched dexter and cow&chicken, which both imo are brilliant.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves " CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to stop paying reporters altogether"
mod6: CNN, such irrelevance.
nubbins`: meat grinder announces partnership with iphone to revolutionize music
nubbins`: there's like 8 seasons of dexter
ThickAsThieves: hide your news, hide your blogs, CNN is coming for you
mod6: "Tonight on CNN, we're gonna read the top trending tweets!"
mircea_popescu: old media is becoming a sort of "internet aids for old and disabled people"
mircea_popescu: not that there's anything wrong with it, nice public service
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35376 @ 0.00089607 = 31.6994 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a multi billion dollar "reading books for the blind" venture.
TomServo: But I hear glasses and hearing aids are really expensive.
ThickAsThieves: Currently on their gravestone: 10 winter health myths busted, Motley Crue signs 'death pact', Ancient blueprint for Noah's Ark found?
mircea_popescu: dude this is like the depths of stalin's winter, proletcultism it was called.
mod6: OOoo. I want to spend 20 minutes of my life on "Suprising celebrity friendships"
gribble: Premium of MtGox over BTC-E is currently 17.8118295455 %.
ThickAsThieves: all their journalists are Twitterers and SEO Specialists now
mod6: how about a simple page that when you hit SUBMIT on the form just returns, "GO FUCK YOURSELF"?
ThickAsThieves: Witnesses complain of bloody mess but appreciate posthumous apology
mod6: must have been a mess.
ThickAsThieves: all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable
ThickAsThieves: then the engine averages all template weights for a default one
ThickAsThieves: like weight blogs and twitter only, if you are a journalist
ThickAsThieves: this would cause search results to be more organic with time and trends
mod6: bluehorseshoe <3's anacott steel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00276753 = 0.6642 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Democracy and finance don’t mix - the math involved pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable << now this is a great idea.
ThickAsThieves: thats the first time i told the idea and the listeners eyes didnt cross
gecko_x2: a guy want to buy litecoin for btc of me for alittle higher rate than btc-e
gecko_x2: this is his proposal for escrow:
gecko_x2: I create and give you a btc wallet and password on blockchain with 5.7 BTC 2. You can login , check BTC, change password and attach and verify to your email this wallet 3. You send me the ltc 4. i release you the transfer keys so you can send BTC to your personal wallet that way block chain role is as escrow
ThickAsThieves: i'll so crypto escrow for ya for .2 btc if no one else will
punkman: two years later: "Blekko Betrays Trust Blocks SEO Data And Shreds Transparency Policy"
punkman: you can have a personal search engine, it's gonna cost though
mircea_popescu: back in the days i still had time, i used to run romania's digg/reddit/sm aggregator thing
mircea_popescu: it did some pretty wicked search things, but then again it was kind of small
ThickAsThieves: the real answer is to patent the search idea after fully documenting it, then sell it to Yahoo
gecko_x2: he is offering me 5.7 btc for 200 ltc
gecko_x2: current value on btc-e 5.3 btc
mircea_popescu: then he can rate you both and you can rate each other etc.
pankkake: why would someone want to pay more than on btc-e? makes no sense
gecko_x2: <gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?
gecko_x2: i lose much money,also someone hack my account
pankkake: can't spell = scammer. no exceptions
mircea_popescu: i wonder what that says of all the dorks hating on mpoe-pr
gecko_x2: c'monm peeps help me make some dough :)
pankkake: I can do the escrow but I doubt it will come to that
ozbot: My Wallet - Be Your Own Bank - Blockchain.info
pankkake: I have no litecoins now so might not be able to pay the tx fee actually :/
KRS1: oh wow mircea_popescu..very nice, I would fap to those boobies. Plus she looks older than that girl. Hmmm.
KRS1: She looks a bit jealous.
punkman: gecko_x2, why aren't you doing this in small increments?
ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.6300158 = 7.5602 BTC [-] {5}
gecko_x2: hmm email verification code incorrect
mircea_popescu: something tells me this is going to become a pretty epic example of "ask mp, ignore what he says"
lippoper: what are you saying about dogecoin?
lippoper: that the ema lines have crossed once again? Maybe it's a good time to buy in and ride the wave?
ozbot: Hi this is not office. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
lippoper: as well as primecoin, feathercoin, quarkcoin,
ThickAsThieves: dogecoin is like a feedback loop of you slapping yourself in a mirror
mircea_popescu: dude you didn't see the artful clipart of the challenger with a D on it while sepparating from its boosters
mircea_popescu: it is mildly concerning that the current crop of kids are so visually driven and cognitively impaired
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.049 = 2.009 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but mostly just display their new forms of surgical primping
mod6: this is a game show?
mod6: it would be funnier if they were ACTUALLY on drugs.
ozbot: Hollywood Game Night | Everyday People Play With Celebrities | NBC
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be off to do some shit. if anyone seeks my advice just link them to the above.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00089633 = 23.4838 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00089637 = 9.0982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00089473 = 15.792 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00089637 = 14.2523 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+]
gecko_x2: i have the second pass to blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00089307 = 5.6263 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: start using normal chars mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23285 @ 0.00088913 = 20.7034 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66957442 = 4.687 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.66993293 = 20.098 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.677 = 6.77 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00088913 = 5.437 BTC [-]
the20year: new shorts on difficulty on havelock?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]
gecko_x2: [17:43:31] * Maximilian was kicked by iwilcox (scammer)
gecko_x2: well we used blockchain.info as escrow
gecko_x2: Volvo39 using herbert.freenode.net DE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.690122 = 1.3802 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 137 @ 0.00629758 = 0.8628 BTC [+] {6}
Animazing: Just learn from the experience and move on
Animazing: When something sounds to good to be true it usually is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00629999 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: dude, yknow blockchain.info even has an escrow multi-sig feature thing
punkman: gecko_x2: I see you ignored my suggestion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
pankkake: I think it's the same annoying guy
punkman: gecko_x2, just don't waste too much time trying to get it back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.690122 = 2.0704 BTC [+]
punkman: because trading passwords over IM is not an acceptable substitute for the actual blockchain
gecko_x2: but i made a second pass to blockchain
pankkake: take it as a learning experience, albeit expensive
deadweasel: could be a decent troll. or you might have lyme disease. is your brain swollen?
gecko_x2: i can't login to the blockchain account anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.690122 BTC [+]
deadweasel: depends on how stupidly you set up the transaction.
pankkake: what is this second password thing?
ThickAsThieves: until the bitcoins are in your own private wallet, you dont have them
pankkake: blochchain.info derives the private key from the password IIRC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.00089638 = 3.7863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8501 @ 0.00089727 = 7.6277 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00007321 = 1.4642 BTC [-] {31}
TomServo: gecko_x2: Why would you ask for advice and not follow it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 220 @ 0.0063 = 1.386 BTC [+]
gecko_x2: do you think i need this shit right now?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00271438 = 5.4288 BTC [-] {18}
TomServo: Well, actually you needed it earlier. AND GOT IT.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7179 @ 0.00007 = 0.5025 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35035 @ 0.00089572 = 31.3816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1075 @ 0.00270213 = 2.9048 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0027 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 420 @ 0.00045007 = 0.189 BTC [-] {3}
lippoper: so from last time I said might be good time to invest in doges, they have gone from 170 to 180 satoshis
Korbman: Soooo...I've been catching up in this channel since I hadn't looked in a number of hours
Korbman: did I literally just read a scam unfold
Korbman: *unfolded because someone can't trade properly?
deadweasel: they tried, seems to have ignored the advice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00089768 = 9.4256 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 279 @ 0.00043001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.03182103 = 0.9546 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639999 = 0.64 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: Anyone have a basic premise? I'm confused about the scam
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00088298 / 0.00088988 / 0.00089795 (1141890 shares, 1,016.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00087792 / 0.0009462 / 0.00101414 (6193303 shares, 5,860.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00082205 / 0.00089781 / 0.00101414 (28987275 shares, 26,025.11 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00072 / 0.00072064 / 0.00075 (511 shares, 0.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00063054 / 0.0009 (18832 shares, 11.87 BTC)
Korbman: geck0_x2 - be thankful that's all you lost. Most of us have lost waaayyyyy more
Korbman: it's a very painful learning experience, but you'll be better off in the end
azi`: what kind of scam happened?
KRS1: Can you please describe the scam, sir.
jurov: did it involve sauna?
KRS1: Gecko_x2, Volvo39 stole 200 ltc from you?
ozbot: [20:33:00] <Maximilian> hey [20:33:11] <gecko_x2> hi [20:33:24] <Maximilian> 2 - Pastebin.com
twizt: you are so retarded
twizt: hes gave you instructions
twizt: and u followed them like a noob
azi`: was this guy verifed on otc?
twizt: prolly didnt question anything
pankkake: he isn't registered, and he gets upset if you ask him to register
ozbot: [21:43:05] <Volvo39> hi - Volvo39 is 4faf593e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.175.8 - Pastebin.com
pankkake: also gets upset if you ask why he changes his nick all the time
Bunnyh: you asked "<gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?" and then just accepted the bullshit answer
azi`: its easy to be smart now
Bunnyh: i just don't understand why anyone would have to do btc/ltc trades outside of an exchange, and looks like gecko_x2 didn't either, but still accepted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.07501835 = 0.4501 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0489999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00639998 = 0.2304 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.00639999 = 2.0352 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00649588 = 0.4742 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639998 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639998 = 0.64 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ah well, part of learning process, mistakes that is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.62223306 = 5.6001 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: with bitcoin, the sooner you go through it, the better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6001 = 4.8008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58455 @ 0.00089508 = 52.3219 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02999905 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.60342698 = 23.5337 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6 = 6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.54818464 = 18.0901 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.501 = 3.507 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49785714 = 6.97 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00639998 = 0.7424 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22427 @ 0.00089682 = 20.113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12790 @ 0.00089423 = 11.4372 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.54899 = 8.7838 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0057 = 0.1596 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54799999 = 1.096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4488 @ 0.00089423 = 4.0133 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: anyway, i thought you went to the liquid markets?
herbijudlestoids: i do, like i said last night, just an idea that came to me then
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0489999 = 0.196 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: its a pretty normal way to break the timeseries down in quantitative analysis, but usually at a lower resloution than per tick
herbijudlestoids: once i build up some data and refine my timestamping etc i will start to record 10 sec data from the ticks and then build all the lower resolutions from that high res feed
herbijudlestoids: so you can see, the distribution of daily returns or, the 10-tick volatility, etc
herbijudlestoids: also would like to figure out if there is a diurnal pattern in the assets
herbijudlestoids: i cant show you some of the other stuff iv grabbed because i didnt timestamp properly and R wont plot it nicely
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herbijudlestoids: i need to write a script that will take the irc log output and automagic it into appropriately named, quantmod compatible mysql tables
herbijudlestoids: but after that i can think of all kinds of interesting things to look at
herbijudlestoids: futures curve, vols, trend, fundamentals, benchmark indices, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.82985793 BTC to 19`249 shares, 61457 satoshi per share