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jurov: mtgox has yet to say anything
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: Seems more likely to be real than not.
Bugpowder: now though
Bugpowder: also probably bullish
Bugpowder: just bought back with my gox cash
jurov: even if mtgox thing materializes, don't necessarily mean they will make it through to the end of the year
ThickAsThieves: so does this expose americans to easier gov intervention now?
Bugpowder: yes
error4733: referal or not on bitfunder ?
Bugpowder: easier compliance
Bugpowder: with FACTA
ThickAsThieves: so for example the gov could say, hey coinlab give us a list of all accounts connected to gox, we wanna run some audits
ThickAsThieves: it wont even be called gox for americans anymore, heh
Bugpowder: how many US based gox users sitting with cash in there are going to buy the coins and ship them out before the transfer occurs?
ThickAsThieves: will it matter?
Bugpowder: who knows
ThickAsThieves: what will people use instead
mircea_popescu: aethero's thing
Bugpowder: I'm not sure if I should be happy or pissed.
ThickAsThieves: ziggap is all western union stuff
Bugpowder: fastcash4bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: moneygram
mircea_popescu: o, that yea.
ThickAsThieves: etc
Bugpowder: I have a tangible cryptography account already, so I can still purchase from him
Bugpowder: where is the panic buying?
Bugpowder: I guess I overestimated the power of a reddit comment.
ThickAsThieves: waiting for their gox transfer
dub: is using coinlab non-optional for amerifags then?
ThickAsThieves: campbx takes dwolla
ThickAsThieves: based in GA
dub: gox using amerifags I mean
Bugpowder: dub, it might be optimal
Bugpowder: there are not a lot of easy options
Bugpowder: for n00bs
Bugpowder: in the bitcoin ponzi pyramid
mircea_popescu: reddit has powers now !?
pigeons: wtf does coinbase's platform have aqnything to do with "wall street"
pigeons: *coinlab
dub: its in amurica
BitHub: i smell a wallstreet fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15199 @ 0.0063799 = 96.9681 BTC [+]
dub: 'Coinbase brings bitcoin to the Alabama beef jerky co-operative' doesn't have the same ring
pigeons: "coinbase announces they are awitching business models again to improve something that they have no experience in that mtgox with the most experience doesn't like handling"
pigeons: *coinlab
pigeons: heh
Bugpowder: hmm
Bugpowder: is this bullish or bearish?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7 @ 0.0063799 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: It's Finance 2.0, bro
swhitt: ,,bc,stats
swhitt: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223486 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 289 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 10 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4415943.46024 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.95123
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.119 = 0.714 BTC [+]
swhitt: 20.1% not bad
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if asicminer is waiting for the next diff to triple their hashing
ThickAsThieves: if that even works
Bowjob: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal
Bowjob: wtf
kakobrekla: story of the day
kakobrekla: em i ment spam by now.
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: lmao dub
mircea_popescu: im totally going to publish a selection of these quotes.
Bowjob: http://mineforeman.com/2013/02/28/butterfly-labs-test-wafer-pictures-and-new-chip-details/
Bowjob: Mhm.. it looks like bathroom tiles, doesn't it?
iz: trust us guys.. we really have chips... place your pre-orders!
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 109 @ 0.01 = 1.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00879 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00879 = 0.0352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 314 @ 0.0063799 = 2.0033 BTC [+]
dub: g-line wat
dub: oh its a quit
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.23000, Best ask: 31.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 31.25000, 24 hour volume: 30050.19888954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.22120
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.03998, Best ask: 31.24987, Bid-ask spread: 0.20989, Last trade: 31.24987, 24 hour volume: 30267.51838954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.21999
Bowjob: theres a 20k btc wall
ThickAsThieves: i blame coinlab
Bowjob: i wonder what the effects of coinlab will be
Bowjob: if it hurts btc prices, then i'll buy back cheaper
pigeons: i hope you're sacrcastic, it will have 0 effect
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/
mircea_popescu: it's a dramaparty and everyone's quoted.
ThickAsThieves: nice
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if coinlab is reading
mircea_popescu: that'd require them having a clue.
mircea_popescu: i give it 10:1 against.
ThickAsThieves: the PR says that americans wont see mtgox branding anymore
ThickAsThieves: itll be all Coinlabbed up
mod6: BitHub I smell a wallstreet fail. << best comment
dub: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jonmatonis/files/2012/10/coinlab-founders.jpg lefty looks like a dude I know (its not), righty looks like he slipped lefty a roofie and is about to get his rape on
dub: hat matching shirt. instarapist
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: that photo
ThickAsThieves: why would they choose that
kakobreklaa: that hat?
ThickAsThieves: "Oh send them that one from the cruise!"
ThickAsThieves: photo
ThickAsThieves: for the PR
Bugpowder: This is worse
Bugpowder: http://coinlab.com/about
Bugpowder: It is really worrisome
ThickAsThieves: they need a new design team
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: they have Buy buttons on their home page now, when you click, they ask for your phone number, wtf?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00072 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
mod6: (15:54) < ThickAsThieves> "Oh send them that one from the cruise!" << lol
mircea_popescu: o mz brady will be thrilled.
ThickAsThieves: "Taking You from Zero to Full Stack"
ThickAsThieves: that's the lead on their "strategy" page
ThickAsThieves: Rent a Petascale Cluster
ThickAsThieves: For as little as $80 per hour
ThickAsThieves: The Bitcoin network is the largest distributed computation cluster in the world. We help it's members provide their computation ability to the highest bidder.
mircea_popescu: it's ?!
mircea_popescu: what, they compete with hashpower too ?
ThickAsThieves: whats going on
mod6: (15:54) < Bugpowder> It is really worrisome << after reading the about page, I couldn't agree more
ThickAsThieves: They have a "Buy $1M" button
Bowjob: it worries me if either US or canadian gov't ask for a list of who bought bitcoins when they were cheap
Bowjob: assuming butcoins fetch for quite a bit
Bowjob: id would be a hassle for me lol
mircea_popescu: so don't use them
mircea_popescu: who is jose canseco
mod6: former baseball player
Bowjob: wheres the buy 1m button
mircea_popescu: a ok
ThickAsThieves: really dumb
ThickAsThieves: did reality shows after he became a nobody
Bowjob: oh i see it
Bowjob: theres a sell 1m too
Bowjob: im sure the gov
Bowjob: would be very interested in it
ThickAsThieves: I wonder if they actually have people lined up to buy
ThickAsThieves: is there a gribble for how many bitcoins will $1mil get me?
mod6: ;;market --buy --usd 1000000
gribble: A market order to buy 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 30956.035 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 34.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 32.3039 USD/BTC.
ThickAsThieves: not as dramatic as i imagined
Bowjob: they have a storage solution page
Bowjob: wtf
Bowjob: so you pay them money to store your bitcoins
Bowjob: sounds like debit cards
ThickAsThieves: i guess if youre an investment co, who do you trust with the coins?
ThickAsThieves: the IT dept?
thestringpuller: ;;market --ask --usd 1000000
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--ask" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
thestringpuller: ;;market
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;market --help
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--help" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
thestringpuller: ;;list Market
gribble: asks, bids, buy, sell, and ticker
thestringpuller: ;;market --sell --usd 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would sell 34890.485 bitcoins and would take the last price down to 26.7800 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.6611 USD/BTC.
ThickAsThieves: whoa
TomServo: indeed.
Bowjob: Holy shit
Bowjob: we are rising
ThickAsThieves: price just raced up
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.22125, Best ask: 31.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.66875, Last trade: 31.89000, 24 hour volume: 38143.57222950, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32046
Bowjob: Come on.. just 2 fucking cents
Bowjob: and we beat ATH
Bowjob: also, DAT spread
ThickAsThieves: i predict new high in t-minus 300 seconds
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.35000, Best ask: 31.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 31.88000, 24 hour volume: 38153.17698435, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32077
Bowjob: What a tease
Bowjob: I was about to take a bite then it got pulled away
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65000, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01754, Last trade: 31.63000, 24 hour volume: 38971.49310386, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33081
ThickAsThieves: i was wrong
ThickAsThieves: mp is off congregating with legion of bitcoin whales to deal with siteeation
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65001, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01753, Last trade: 31.66754, 24 hour volume: 39018.81424086, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33168
Bowjob: yeap, we got teased
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.70001, Best ask: 31.76999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 31.70001, 24 hour volume: 39398.25969646, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33667
dub: fuck
ThickAsThieves: 31.91
ThickAsThieves: .92
ThickAsThieves: .93
kakobreklaa: 32
Namworld: record broken...
mod6: ding ding!
BitHub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
ThickAsThieves: yay!
ThickAsThieves: CRASH time
ThickAsThieves: :)
kakobreklaa: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
kakobreklaa: ya for sure.
kakobreklaa: crash on the upwards.
Bowjob: WOOT
Bowjob: Congrats mentlegen!
ThickAsThieves: i mean the smart thing is to take down your asks right now
Bowjob: Also Adam lost his bet
ThickAsThieves: then boom
kakobreklaa: smell 33
ThickAsThieves: so we all just got rich
kakobreklaa: can you?
ThickAsThieves: thank you coinlab
Bowjob: In a couple years we will look back on this event..
Bowjob: when btc are thousands of dollars each
kakobreklaa: you will try to but you wont remember
Bowjob: "lol look at us.. getting excited over a dollar
Bowjob: now if Yifu can get his act together.. I want my aSIC
kakobreklaa: ya, a dollar times n is n dollars
Namworld: those little stairs over 31 don't look natural on the orderbook...
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.25125, Best ask: 32.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18875, Last trade: 32.44000, 24 hour volume: 52193.36438180, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.44000, 24 hour vwap: 31.50409
Namworld: We're in all time high zone
mircea_popescu: getting people to sell bitcoins from now on will be a feat.
Bowjob: Id prefer to stay in this range for a bit actually
mircea_popescu: i woner how long till 100
mircea_popescu: a week ? a month ? a year ? a decade >?
kakobreklaa: 2 years
kakobreklaa: well no
ThickAsThieves: a few days
kakobreklaa: 2014
mircea_popescu: possibly
mircea_popescu: "obama. started term, btc was 1/10000 of a pizza. ended term, 10`000 pizzas bought one btc"
dub: down now
kakobreklaa: hm
Ukto: [18:54] <amphipod> Feb28 00:56:46 mtgox x11 165.2808 @ 32.79869778 USD
Ukto: ;)
Bowjob: it was actually 10000 btc for 2 pizzas
kakobreklaa: strong bids at 32.7-32.5
Bowjob: mhm nvm
Bowjob: get those investors on dice and ill be happuy
ThickAsThieves: if they control growth, they'll make a lot more money
kakobreklaa: at this rate ill never run out of euros
kakobreklaa: but wtf.
ThickAsThieves: really the market has been being controlled for a week or two now it looked like
ThickAsThieves: the slower the rise the more fools will sell
Bowjob: i wonder what those ltc people will do now
kakobreklaa: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
kakobreklaa: lol
Namworld: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.75000, Best ask: 32.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 32.75000, 24 hour volume: 55524.78325419, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.80000, 24 hour vwap: 31.57837
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.3881316 = 1388.1316 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 1400 btc of pure profit ?
Bowjob: wow some stupid dude complained about my gile
Namworld: I've seen you encouraging someone complaining about his gambling problems to keep gambling Bowjob...
Bowjob: hey my math was solid
Namworld: A solid loss for the gambler
Namworld: A solid win for you...
Namworld: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
Namworld: That looks... odd
dub: guys just a head up, I am satoshi and its time to dump my 500k
mircea_popescu: kthx.
Bugpowdr: yeahhhhh
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa http://bitbet.us/bet/206/bitcoin-market-cap-above-1-billion-before-end/
mircea_popescu: 2:1 that it's this year.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 700 @ 1.38433736 = 969.0362 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: the whale seems to be using a bullish strategy
Bowjob: it would be more noble if satoshi refused to own btc due to conflict of interest
thestringpuller: Satoshi...doesn't...exist
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it's pretty well established he doesn't have much if anything.
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 30.936965 seconds
dub: wowow
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.26888574 = 268.8857 BTC [+]
Namworld: wait till it reaches 666.666666 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 600 @ 0.23935683 = 143.6141 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;calc (32 - 31)/ 32
gribble: 0.03125
thestringpuller: ;;calc (33 - 31)/ 33
gribble: 0.0606060606061
thestringpuller: ;;calc (42 - 31)/ 42
gribble: 0.261904761905
kakobreklaa: lol mircea_popescu some hefty sums
thestringpuller: ;;calc (42 - 33)/ 42
gribble: 0.214285714286
thestringpuller: bullish position...
mircea_popescu: yeah
Namworld: I've seen better
thestringpuller: I'm expecting 40 in march
Bowjob: 80 in april
kakobreklaa: 32650 in juptmeber
thestringpuller: 80 might not hit until july
Bowjob: eh you guys are too bearish
Bowjob: 300k by next year
thestringpuller: XD
thestringpuller: collapse of the US dollar
Bowjob: yeah
thestringpuller: Gold went up almost 100 dollars while bernanke spoke to congress
thestringpuller: ^- in other news
kakobreklaa: so i btc will be like 5000 usd or 60 euros
kakobreklaa: i = 1
thestringpuller: QE infinity is going on so if the US goes into hyperinflation that could be plausible...
Bowjob: wed be trillionairs
thestringpuller: and trillion dollars will by a stick of gum in that future :P
dub: ;;ticker --high
gribble: 33.00000
maximian: 40 next week at this rate
kakobreklaa: at this rate, today.
kakobreklaa: ;;ticker --high
gribble: 33.20000
Bowjob: so many bears here
Bowjob: the wall observer went nuts
dub: lol fuck
dub: I just fat finger failed
Bowjob: I wonder if that dude who shoved a sharpie up his ass is happy
kakobreklaa: dub?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03123, Best ask: 33.08039, Bid-ask spread: 0.04916, Last trade: 33.08039, 24 hour volume: 62463.10960810, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.72613
thestringpuller: the economy is growing...
dub: kakobreklaa: I 32'd when I should have 33'd
Bugpowdr: so funny
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
dub: where for art thou smickles
Bugpowdr: I bot all my gox cash 3 hours ago cause I though it was going to rocket
Bugpowdr: sketched out
Bugpowdr: sold all 20 minutes later
Bugpowdr: now rebought at 32.90
Bugpowdr: fucking retarded
kakobreklaa: :D
Namworld: I feel tainted... by trading...
kakobreklaa: raped its called.
Namworld: No... I'd be the one raping...
Bowjob: bug.. what happened to your btc short
Namworld: Tainted is the word.
Bugpowdr: oh I closed that
Bugpowdr: long time ago
Bugpowdr: waited till the 24hprc started going up
Bugpowdr: ate the loss
Bugpowdr: sucked
Bugpowdr: not shorting this rally again
copumpkin: when you don't short it is when you get screwed
copumpkin: but when you do, you also get screwed
copumpkin: just learn to accept the unconditional screwage
kakobreklaa: so do the oposite
kakobreklaa: go long.
Bowjob: win some lose some
Bowjob: btc is dangerous to short
Bowjob: I wanted to short LTC no one took me on my offer lol
Chaang-Noi: we broke the high and i was sleeping???
Chaang-Noi: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
kakobreklaa: go back to sleep then
Namworld: Go dream for a while, come back when they're 500 USD/BTC or something
Chaang-Noi: yeah im back to bed
Chaang-Noi: bufgr'
Chaang-Noi: night+
Chaang-Noi: wow, nice bid walls, and no real ask walls
Namworld: yeah
thestringpuller: i hope someone isn't hoarding
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdr lol mtgox is grateful
thestringpuller: it'll go up to like 40 and some whale will begin dumping
Bugpowdr: yah but now i havemoar
error4733: Woooooooooooooooooooow
error4733: WTF is going on
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.91578, Best ask: 33.05300, Bid-ask spread: 0.13722, Last trade: 33.05300, 24 hour volume: 63289.54985978, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.75887
mircea_popescu: this is kinda funnay.
mircea_popescu: 31.25261933 is price implied by options
thestringpuller: how'd you come up with that number so fast
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 439 @ 0.01 = 4.39 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cause of maffs
thestringpuller: are you taking total volume of each option?
Namworld: I'm still surprised at getting so much BTC loaned to me considering the interest I offer.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 235 @ 0.01 = 2.35 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if we will see a bubble to $200 or something
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I got 31.653
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/
mircea_popescu: mpex now publishes 7day oix number
Namworld: cool
Bugpowdr: god damn it
Bugpowdr: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.93788, Best ask: 32.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06212, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 76977.68308630, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.89740
Namworld: bugpowder: what?
Bugpowdr: the twin towers fell
Bugpowdr: I am so bad at day trading
Namworld: manipulator action going on...
Namworld: I saw the walls form regular steps or changing place all the time
Bugpowdr: Nah dude. The got eaten
Bugpowdr: look at the volume
Namworld: ah, okay
Namworld: I avoid daytrading
Bugpowdr: rally is back on
Namworld: I'm short bitcoin
Bugpowdr: duuuude
Bugpowdr: at what price do you blow up?
Chaang-Noi: mtgoxlive.com fails for me, is there a better site like it?
Chaang-Noi: i placed a sell order for 10% of my btc at $200
Namworld: www.example.com
Namworld: It's the same but loads faster.
Namworld: Shows you nothing
Namworld: ;;lag
gribble: Error: "lag" is not a valid command.
Bugpowdr: clarkmoody
Bugpowdr: for trades
Namworld: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.204543 seconds
Bugpowdr: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
Bugpowdr: for walls
Bugpowdr: zoom in on the pic
Chaang-Noi: ;;goatlag
gribble: Error: "goatlag" is not a valid command.
Bugpowdr: I think we are going to 50 now
kakobreklaa: prolly not far off
kakobreklaa: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/short-term-update-mtgox-daily-chart-13/
kakobreklaa: and this is old.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00629 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00629 = 0.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0063 = 6.3 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: usagis silver at 29.
Bugpowdr: he is selling half ounces at 1.3BTC though, much cheaper than anywhere else.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 454 @ 0.00636 = 2.8874 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00639 = 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10039 @ 0.0064 = 64.2496 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0064 = 0.064 BTC [+]
Bugpowdr: whoa
Bugpowdr: thats big for BTCTC
Namworld: what? No
Namworld: BTCTC has about 2.3k 30d volume right now
Namworld: Done mostly on higher day.
Namworld: With dead periods in-between
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/introducing-the-oix/
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.45988, Best ask: 32.58915, Bid-ask spread: 0.12927, Last trade: 32.45988, 24 hour volume: 79609.88962262, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.91584
Bowjob: 32.45.. down from 33
Bowjob: CRASH!!!
Bugpowdr: it hit 31.40 taking out 15,000 BTC on the way
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.0915995 = 1.832 BTC
Bowjob: i have a confession.. i actually dont know how to mine bitcoins
Bowjob: yet i jumped on the avalon bandwagon
Bowjob: lol
kakobreklaa: #bitcoin-church
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.60001, Best ask: 32.60490, Bid-ask spread: 0.00489, Last trade: 32.60490, 24 hour volume: 80058.57461354, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.92017
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 4 @ 0.26985946 = 1.0794 BTC [+]
Bugpowdr: The buy must have been triggered by the are technia article
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.bbet
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
Bugpowdr: God DAMN it
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 (298 shares, 0.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00196487 / 0.00196488 / 0.001965 (3303 shares, 6.49 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00147341 / 0.001965 (77565 shares, 114.29 BTC)
Bugpowdr: I had advanced knowledge and I fucked it up.
Bugpowdr: Let's just get up to 50 so I can forget about this troubled time in my life.
Chaang-Noi: techbia artical?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdr i really don't think it was any article.
Bugpowdr: it was the coinlab news
Bugpowdr: people understand what easier US market access will do to the price.
Chaang-Noi: the one about coinlab helping instatutional investers was pretty damn bullish
Bugpowdr: Fucking firepower
Chaang-Noi: ah
Bugpowdr: $100
Bugpowdr: is gonna happen
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i wonder if people knew about that and they bought it all up
Bugpowdr: THat's why I bought back
Chaang-Noi: i never sold, have a sell over for 10% at $200
kakobrekla: im gonna redesign bitbet when 100 happens
Bowjob: eh
Bowjob: just hold it and forget it
Bowjob: simplest strategy
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Bowjob: had you forgotten about btc in 2011
Bowjob: and checked it in 2013, ud go.. yawn
kakobrekla: and if everybody does that, few years from now not a single node will be runing
kakobrekla: everyone forgot.
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: well, its a dillema
Bowjob: ill be mining soon so i wont forget
Bowjob: ill ride this horse wherever it takes me
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you never sold what exactly ? whatever was left after paying out for the TYGRR.BOND (100% Insured Pirate Bonds)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 5 @ 0.21653437 = 1.0827 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.35 = 3.15 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mircea_popescu i did pay that out in full
aiball: is the s.dice dividend still 14K?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]
Bugpowdr: ~13
aiball: thanks
Bowjob: could it be the buy was a panic buy
Bowjob: because coinlab..
Bowjob: will bring customers closer to IRS
Bugpowdr: yes I considered that as well
BitHub: yeah good work coinlab
Bugpowdr: buy with cash on hand
BitHub: n00bs
Bowjob: yeah
Bugpowdr: then get the coins out
BitHub: bring wallstreet to bitcoin
Bowjob: that makes sense
BitHub: good work n0000bs
Bowjob: .. i wont ever touch coinlab with a ten foot pole
Bowjob: that sicky
Bugpowdr: The cash for that buy was proablbly already in there
BitHub: same
aiball: so, my mtgox purchase 6 months ago is on the IRS books now?
Bugpowdr: who knows, maybe they will do a good job
Bugpowdr: nah
aethero: aiball is it retroactive?
BitHub: nah
Bowjob: nah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2457 @ 0.00074124 = 1.8212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074124 = 7.4124 BTC [-]
Bowjob: it will be if you use coinlab
Bugpowdr: unless you are 50k
BitHub: they'll be the first to get slaughted
Bugpowdr: $50k+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00073982 = 0.4572 BTC [-]
Bugpowdr: will be the first to be examined
Bugpowdr: then $10k+
BitHub: we're talking about taxes here
Bugpowdr: FACTA violators
BitHub: its game over
Bugpowdr: etc
Bowjob: if BTC gets high enough, the govt might actually dig through 100 dollar buys
Bowjob: and hunt those people
aiball: aethero I was asking your question
Bugpowdr: i doubt it
Bugpowdr: just report it
Bugpowdr: buys don't matter anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6795 BTC [-]
Bugpowdr: sales matter
Bugpowdr: unless they really are treating BTC as a foreign currency that is to be market to market at year end
Bugpowdr: If you want BTC to hit $1000, there are some things that are gonna have to happen first
Chaang-Noi: $1000 should be in 3 years or maybe more, lots of time
Chaang-Noi: what is better on linux a i3 2130 or an amd 955?
Chaang-Noi: most for doing btc stuff
aiball: Bugpowder I agree, Like Butch and Sundance didn't need to keep watch until they had the payroll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6795 = 4.077 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.278 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2701 = 0.5402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.27 = 1.89 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm.. i wonder if this is allowed
Bowjob: i just cash in enough BTC to hit the limit of a poor person
Bowjob: so i wont have to pay income tas
Bowjob: x
Bowjob: but i have enough BTC worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
Bowjob: is that legit?
Namworld: If your BTC has appreciated in value, I think you don't need to declare that value increase until you sell them. So yes. But speak to an accountant.
Namworld: It's like when you have income. You pay your taxes, then let's say you buy stocks. If they raise in value, you don't pay taxes on that until you sell, at which point the price difference becomes capital gains.
ThickAsThieves: IRS going back thru records is kinda pointless
Namworld: Laws & regulations vary by country/state tho
ThickAsThieves: no way for them to know how much btc you have
ThickAsThieves: they'd only care about coins sold
ThickAsThieves: income
Namworld: Probably that too.
Bowjob: i can sell around 13k
Bowjob: and wont have to work for the whole year
Bowjob: then i dont pay taxes
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: but what if i use btc directly
Bowjob: they wont know
Namworld: They might not but that's supposed to be declared.
Eduard_Munteanu: The interesting thing is stock brokers here retain the tax as soon as you sell.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not the end of the year, or the month or anything. Immediately.
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, they also report some stuff you still owe to the man.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
topace_: hey mircea_popescu you there? still working on this auto-push-receipt processing...
mircea_popescu: topace_ ya ?
topace_: i cant just hash the receipt to get a unique id because then doing something as simple as changing the comment in th e sig would change the hash and stilll validate
mircea_popescu: change the comment in what sig ?
topace_: Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
topace_: i can change that line on the receipt and it still validates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00074829 = 4.6499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0007522 = 4.9645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00075379 = 5.2275 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but you hash the signed part not the headers
topace_: and if i try to just grab the actual signature hash, that can still be changed adn still validate
mircea_popescu: how ?
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ
topace_: n9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg=
topace_: =DWpV
topace_: is the signature on this receipt
mircea_popescu: ok
topace_: if i add a 1 to teh end of it, it still validates
topace_: =DWpV1
topace_: as the last line
mircea_popescu: uhm
mircea_popescu: it validates with a broken checksum ?!
mircea_popescu: brb i gotta check this
topace_: i can actually add anything concatenated to the end
topace_: and it still validates
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ
topace_: n9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg=
topace_: =DWpVadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf
topace_: -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
topace_: validates too
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: none of this is actually a problem
mircea_popescu: the last line is always a =xyzk 4 characters checksum of the foregoing
mircea_popescu: if the checksum is broken it doesn't actually validate
mircea_popescu: if more shit is added at the end that doesn't actually matter.
topace_: ahh, so I should only be considering the 2 lines of the signature hash?
topace_: is it always 2 lines?
topace_: (with a 3rd as checksum?)
topace_: hmm nope, i can concatenate the two lines into one and it validates.. i can combine all 3 lines onto one, and it validates too...
mircea_popescu: the structure of a gpg signed message is, there's a header (begin blabla, comment whatever), then a message, then a signature ehader, then the signature
mircea_popescu: which may be however long, mine are usually 6 lines
mircea_popescu: and then a 1 line checksum as a =4char
mircea_popescu: and then a close
topace_: does the = at the end of the sig (before the checksum) designate the end of the signature?
mircea_popescu: no, that's base64 filler
mircea_popescu: you can have 0, 1 or 2
topace_: so how can i reliably filter out just the signature? if there's no logical separator?
mircea_popescu: the gpg parser mostly ignores spaces/newlines/etc EXCEPT it wants a newline after the begin sig tag
topace_: all on one line: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV
topace_: validates too
mircea_popescu: put it on the same line with -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
topace_: so if there can be crap after the end, how do i know where to stop reading characters that are actually part of the signature
topace_: yea it definitely needs a blank line after the BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE line
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: within the signature block, a =j61e type string is the end (cause it's the checksum)
topace_: but if there's no way of knowing how long the signature is expected to be, and it allows adding crap at the end, again, how do i know where to stop reading the characters of the 'actual' signature
mircea_popescu: cause when you reach the checksum it's ended
topace_: but how can you be sure you've reached the checksum?
mircea_popescu: because it's a 5 char string starting with =
mircea_popescu: (the = char may not be part of the signature cause it's not in the base64 list)
blu3gr1ffon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.14001, Best ask: 32.35299, Bid-ask spread: 0.21298, Last trade: 32.35599, 24 hour volume: 81740.26344155, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.94954
topace_: so i'd also have to trim off the = before the =4chr
topace_: because it can be there or not and it still validates
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg=DWpV
topace_: both validate
topace_: as does
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==========DWpV
mircea_popescu: yes, because = is padding in base64
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: =*\w{4} would be the regex
topace_: okay, so im just doing /\n([A-Z0-9]+)/ ?
topace_: then using that as my unique identifier to ensure i never double-process the same receipt?
mircea_popescu: well no.
mircea_popescu: basically, here's what you do :
mircea_popescu: 1. you look for -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----. if not found, kill the task. if found :
mircea_popescu: 2. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that
mircea_popescu: 3. you look for the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- tag.
mircea_popescu: 4. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that
mircea_popescu: 5. you look for an = and wipe everything from that point forward (including it)
mircea_popescu: 6. you wipe all space/newline in your string
mircea_popescu: 7. i hope i've not forgotten anything
topace_: yea.. okay that makes sense..
topace_: so i end up with just iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: is mpex signature seriously that short ?!
topace_: heh ya
mircea_popescu: no wonder im changing it.
topace_: on the push receipt im using as a sample at least
topace_: then i should still take a hash of the signature, and use the hash as my unique identifier?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess you can use the signature only.
mircea_popescu: tho i'd imagine a whole message digest works too
jurov: interesting, this signature stuff
topace_: if you sign the same thing multiple times, the signature will always be different though, right?
topace_: if i was going to do a digest of the whole message, i'd have to do it based on a post-processed data (removing the comments and the blank lines, etc)
mircea_popescu: if you sign the same thing multiple times the sig will be different yes
topace_: becuase one stray \n would cause a different digest for the same receipt
topace_: okay excellent, i think that gives me enough to get this implemented tomorrow.. bedtime now! thanks for your help!
mircea_popescu: as long as you wipe the comment lines
mircea_popescu: (one after begin message tag, one after begin signature tag) and non-base64 chars you should be ok.
topace_: oo actually gnupg_verify() will return the plaintext portion of hte message for me (but not the signature portion)
mircea_popescu: i think it returns the sig digest too
topace_: nope.. just the fingerprint
ThickAsThieves: BFL wired chip: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=596&gal=gallery&type=full
topace_: im out.. g'nite!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that looks ready for delivery
jurov: OIX looks nice... lol, good it wasn't around last weekend when i did my assorted next month calls shopping
jurov: they had breakeven around 50 :D
ThickAsThieves: in other news, a new jimi hendrix album
ThickAsThieves: heh
ThickAsThieves: sounds pretty good too, if you like jimi
jurov: mircea_popescu i see my coinlab bet proposal being refunded, why?
mircea_popescu: mmm no idea
jurov: or it was just already paid out? lol
ThickAsThieves: kako no like
mircea_popescu: um. link ? or be speciffic.
jurov: i'll try to reconstruct it from memory: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by end of this year
jurov: bet will resolve as YEs when coinlab.com will be unavailable through 7 days straight, too.
jurov: ^ that
mircea_popescu: what time did you put it in ?
jurov: <jurov> [21:52:28 CET] what do you think about bet: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by June ?
jurov: i did it awhile after that
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: looking into this
jurov: i suspect i may have mixed coinbase/coinlab..
jurov: maybe after a while i get so confused so i'll mention coinbr along with them it and havoc ensues :D
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8970 @ 0.0007 = 6.279 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8615 @ 0.0007 = 6.0305 BTC [-]
jurov: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/in-bid-for-credibility-largest-bitcoin-exchange-moves-to-silicon-valley/
jurov: ars managed to put a foot into their mouth as well
jurov: almost as if coinlab bought mtgox
jurov: And placing the exchange's funds within US jurisdiction will make it harder for the firm to disappear with customers' cash.
jurov: ftw
kakobrekla: jurov are you already or still up this morning
toffoo: ThickAsThieves: where did you get it?
jurov: still up, unfortunately
kakobrekla: aha so its you, mircea and me, the three fucked yuropean
kakobrekla: or am i missing someone
kakobrekla: yuropeans*
jurov: yup
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/introducing-the-oix/
mircea_popescu: updated with a historical oix graph
mircea_popescu: which is kinda cool
ThickAsThieves: toffoo, where did i get what
jurov: hate to nitpick, but 10 decimal places? two are sufficient for such index
jurov: (unless btc falls below 1, ofc)
mircea_popescu: jurov no, 10 decimals!!1
mircea_popescu: satoshicents
kakobrekla: yeah that is ridiculus.
kakobrekla: at least make it 8
jurov: i stand corrected. i can now imagine the hysteria on #assets "crash!! oix down 0.5 satoshi!!"
mircea_popescu: teh end of the werlds
jurov: as soon as bowjob learns about it
toffoo: ThickAsThieves: your new hendrix album
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i envisage this being used as a replacement for satoshi dice random number generator
jurov: not sure if serious
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
kakobrekla: this is getting hot-er
mircea_popescu: lol at leet bet
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/2013/02/27/172992228/first-listen-jimi-hendrix-people-hell-and-angels?sc=fb&cc=fmp
mircea_popescu: BFL_Josh
mircea_popescu: Chips almost bumped, shipping on week of 4 - or 11 at the latest
mircea_popescu: what, srsly ?
jurov: let the trolls descend http://trilema.com/2013/introducing-the-oix/
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19dqcd/mpoe_introduced_bitcoin_price_sentiment_indicator/
jurov: ^ i meant this
mircea_popescu: a ok
jurov: yup it used the graph as thumbnail
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00072 = 0.0036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.00643 = 0.9645 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/
mircea_popescu: improved by user request
kakobrekla: cool!
jurov: in the parentheses are next month/this month?
jurov: but then, 23.73 seems too low
mircea_popescu: no it's calls / puts
jurov: good mornin Chaang-Noi
kakobrekla: tanking nao
jurov: we'll see when americans "wake up to" it
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.10207, Best ask: 32.26999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16792, Last trade: 32.26999, 24 hour volume: 83302.39912401, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.96821
kakobrekla: well i was trying to be funny
kakobrekla: is all
kakobrekla: since sleeping goats have positive effects of crypto currencies price
jurov: what we do with goats when they wake up?
jurov: we milk them!
kakobrekla: i thought we sacrifice them
kakobrekla: for gods n stuff
jurov: lmao
kakobrekla: but yeah, get the milk first
kakobrekla: no point in waisting that.
mircea_popescu: ;;google goatfucker
gribble: Urban Dictionary: goatfucker: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goatfucker>; The Goat Fucker | Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/GoatMagnet>; Goatfucker.com | Fucking everything, one goat at a time!: <http://goatfucker.wordpress.com/>
mircea_popescu: ungulates only produce milk if they're pregnant you know.
jurov: hm, i milked goats late in summer myself... and i know they give milk for whole year
jurov: dunno about fucking. was never so desperate.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/#c218
mircea_popescu: 7.4 : 6.19
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.60110, Best ask: 33.60111, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 33.60111, 24 hour volume: 94092.99709452, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.83941, 24 hour vwap: 32.37123
mircea_popescu: le wow.
mod6: she bangs
mircea_popescu: this month is already 10% up it hasn't even started.
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Bangs
mircea_popescu: what do you know, retardopedia has a 5000 word entry on the topic.
mod6: haha, here's the original vid quite the laugh: http://youtu.be/0d5eP0wWLQY
mircea_popescu: i remember teenybopers were crazy about it not so long ago.
mod6: i remember watching that on tv like omg SHE BANGS! this kid is on turbo mode.
mod6: epic fails are epic
blu3gr1ffon: ;ticker
blu3gr1ffon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66888, Best ask: 33.88997, Bid-ask spread: 0.22109, Last trade: 33.66888, 24 hour volume: 95511.46006840, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.39862
mircea_popescu: so bfl delivered yet ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ lol 11:7 against for april. mmmmkay
mod6: lol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144422.msg1568000#msg1568000
thestringpuller: mod6
thestringpuller: i need to talk witchoo
mod6: yoh ok
mircea_popescu: lol as a result of the discussions here, mtgox came out with a forum post in support of coinbase.
Bugpowdrr: coinlab?
nOgAnOo: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal/
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdrr http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/#comment-92223
mircea_popescu: i find from commenters.
mircea_popescu: nOgAnOo you're about a day late ?
nOgAnOo: I just rejoined bitcoin today
nOgAnOo: after 3 years
nOgAnOo: thank you
nOgAnOo: Sorry I'm 24 hours late on the news post
nOgAnOo: Oh master of bitcoins.
nOgAnOo: Was trying to help.
nOgAnOo: I sincerely apologize.
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu the btc Fed chair
mircea_popescu: nOgAnOo now now, don't get excited. how was your vacation ?
thestringpuller: mircea benaneke i will call him
nOgAnOo: Sad, I have .43
mircea_popescu: aw!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun has a heli.
nOgAnOo: I just updated my client from .3.20
mircea_popescu: "Liquidity requires symmetric information, which is easiest to achieve when everyone is ignorant. This determines the design of many securities, including the design of debt and securitization"
mircea_popescu: lmao
nOgAnOo: Wow it seems you posted a link a few seconds after mine quoting my link!
nOgAnOo: It seems I was relevant after all?
nOgAnOo: :)
ThickAsThieves: so they are watching
nOgAnOo: “coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal”
ThickAsThieves: heh
pigeons: mtgox still doesnt explain what it even means
jcpham: 2 thumbs down
jcpham: vague press is vague
mircea_popescu: pigeons yes but then again they never don't and usually don't even know what anything means.
nOgAnOo: Easier for corporations to buy mass amounts of bitcoins
pigeons: ooo, now you get another middleman!
nOgAnOo: Cheaper transactions
ThickAsThieves: because if they did, everyone would know that gox basically raped CoinLab investors for a chance to make bitcoin available to dummies
pigeons: and in a horrible country for financial transactions!
pigeons: nOgAnOo: that makes no sense
jcpham: if coinlab doesn't pull a rabbit out of their hat, i predict they are over
mircea_popescu: well, i appreciate at tleast the part where they read up on what they fucked up and try to fix it
jcpham: that is a solid prediction
mircea_popescu: course, fixing it in their usual dodderingway, but at least the attempt is there.
mircea_popescu: which all boils down to jcpham being basically right :
mircea_popescu: all they need now is the rabbit out of a hat and they'll survive.
ThickAsThieves: i think theyll do it
mircea_popescu: in other news, asicminer thread over 100 pages.
ThickAsThieves: it only takes a few million in attention
mircea_popescu: that's 2000 posts+
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it ever will be the case that total blocks mined by asicminer > total posts made in asicminer thread.
ThickAsThieves: 1000 posts confirming satoshis hehe
pigeons: mtgox has quite low margins anyway and coinlab has a reputation at not understanding how to make money
mircea_popescu: pigeons the sad news in all of this is mtgox basically saying "the us market is not worth serving"
mircea_popescu: if anything;'s a ghetto i dunno what else it would be.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno dont you think gox is probably shedding 80% of the work for .2% of the profit?
pigeons: well its been true. exchb was a good example.
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile @the red house, bob woodward is "being punished")
pigeons: some telling info on the faqs at http://coinlab.com/transition
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35775.msg1565186#msg1565186
Bugpowder: severely not severally
mircea_popescu: this is pretty heavy, first actual usecase for ripple
pigeons: "Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market."
mircea_popescu: transferring peter lambert assets.
nOgAnOo: https://twitter.com/coinlab
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you mean in the article ?
jcpham: coinlab is pissing me off for changing their business model and delaying things
Bugpowder: the title
mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/28/you-will-regret-the-full-threat-email-a-top-white-house-official-sent-bob-woodward/
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder joint and several, jointly and severally.
Bugpowder: multiple
Bugpowder: ok
Bugpowder: kewl
jcpham: i hope coinlab succeeds though
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: coinlab better succeed
Bugpowder: or crash city
Bugpowder: if they do succeed though, gonna be nice pump
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it will crash sometime in late summer/early autumn, probably taking some people's btc with them.
pigeons: they won't succeed and i dont see it affecting price either way
mircea_popescu: the effect on the exchange rate will be nil.
mircea_popescu: drat pigeons beat me to it.
Bugpowder: I really dislike the 'folksy' style of their communication.
mod6: trying to watch these idiots on CNBC/CNN/Faux others + washington try to keep the shit inside the horse is quite comica.
Bugpowder: Bro, be chill we are like totally secure dude
mod6: *comical.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147603.msg1567583#msg1567583 sgornick has a total blank moment.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i get reports :)
pigeons: coinlab used to say they had "lots" of hpc clients lined up for gpu mininers work, anytime i tried to get details the answer was "lots of people pay for password cracking" and that work obviously never showed up so i question their honesty as well
splnkr: i'd say the real question isn't whether coinlab can deliver but whether wall street will bite
jcpham: http://coinlab.com/liquidity
jcpham: wtf is this website
pigeons: yeah they are offering tools no one wants or needs
ThickAsThieves: they removed the Buy $1m bitcoins buttons
jcpham: coinlab.com used to point to some funky WURM online game
jcpham: Give us a call at 855-Lab-Coin or drop us a line to ask us about:
jcpham: Foreign Exchange Liquidity Provision
jcpham: Large Transactions
jcpham: Custom Orders / Standing Orders
jcpham: Full-Service Support for Family and Institutional Wealth
jcpham: goddamnit you motherfuckers coinlab
mircea_popescu: pigeons there's more good reason to question their honesty
mircea_popescu: loads of little things cropping up, like the habit of cancelling trades when price goes up then paying off those who throw a stink on forum
pigeons: mircea_popescu: that's coinbase
mircea_popescu: there's a difference ?
Bicknellski: Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market.
pigeons: yes coinbase is the ycombinator/pgraham one
pigeons: coinbase is a gox front end with extra fees and extra problems
ThickAsThieves: this is a sad twitter account
ThickAsThieves: 210 followers
pigeons: coinlab is a former mining pool that overpaid so they could keep users for when they got non bitcoin hashing work that never showed up
ThickAsThieves: theyu follow SatoshiDice
leotreasure: asicmining divs are out
pigeons: coinbase was giving out .1 btc for account refferals when they started and was gonna implement a big pyramid scheme but the rising price killed that
Diablo-D3: did asicminer just push out the real dividend?
leotreasure: yep :D
mircea_popescu: pigeons you said coinbase twice.
mircea_popescu: i am confused.
mircea_popescu: isn't coinlab run by the same people who run coinbase ?
pigeons: no
pigeons: today i have been using coinbase to refer to coinbase and coinlab to refer oinlab
pigeons: yesterday i was not so accurate
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 so have they scrapped their exchange or wtf are they doing ?
mircea_popescu: who's coinlab then ?
pigeons: http://coinlab.com/about
pigeons: https://coinbase.com/about
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: theres plans in the works Im not allowed to talk about
pigeons: http://pool.coinlab.com/partners/goats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00075999 = 3.4481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00075999 = 0.38 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pigeons youy're kidding, right ?
mircea_popescu: http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/12/y-combinator-alum-memsql-raises-2-1-million-from-ashton-kutcher-sv-angel-and-more/
pigeons: i'm kidding about what?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I hate TC, honestly
Diablo-D3: they report news like shit
mircea_popescu: pigeons vessenes is ycombinator.
mircea_popescu: the two ventures are in no way distinct.
Diablo-D3: y combinator is a group of VCs, btw
Diablo-D3: theres a few y combinator VCs that represent VC companies
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: ycombinator is a team of dorks.
mircea_popescu: the vcs that get sucked in are usually innocent
splnkr: well, dorks backed by vc
splnkr: everyone's right
mircea_popescu: yeah, everytime they can be fooled into it.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ycombinator isnt a team of dorks
Diablo-D3: I think they invest rather too readily, though
jcpham: me too
Diablo-D3: actually, maybe thats not it
Diablo-D3: they invest too much too readily
jcpham: vc techno-fanbois
mircea_popescu: jcpham nothing wrong with throwingmoney around in principle
Diablo-D3: its okay to invest small amounts in iffy ventures if you're hedging bets
splnkr: perhaps narrowly is the word
mircea_popescu: if you're sitting on a few bn, it makes sense to peel the odd million to aggitated kids.
Diablo-D3: they want to invest in the next google
Diablo-D3: instead, they get the next yahoo
mircea_popescu: you never know when you need a cock sucked.
splnkr: well, honestly, the vc game is like that by nature. you can't predict the future. you have to place a bunch of bets and hope one hits it big
mircea_popescu: exactly.
splnkr: like the hollywood box office model
mircea_popescu: which is why i say, teh vcs are mostly innocent
Diablo-D3: splnkr: actually, I _can_ predict the future
pigeons: thanks i thought they were distinct. the combination lowers my esteem for both of them
mircea_popescu: but the sort of shit ycombinator pushes is horrible.
splnkr: Diablo-D3: don't be wasting your time here then!
blu3gr1f1on: like coinbase?
Diablo-D3: splnkr: that isnt it
mircea_popescu: blu3gr1f1on like airbnb
mircea_popescu: which is what soured me on them entirely.
mircea_popescu: coupla years ago i was living with a generally good opinion of them and graham
splnkr: what do you mean then
Diablo-D3: if I understand the business plan, if I meet the founders and drill the shit out of them and they pass, and if the market they're going into is a logical choice
Diablo-D3: then its a sure winner
Diablo-D3: the problem is
Diablo-D3: _thats incredibly rare_
splnkr: but if your business model is venture capital investment, don't you have to play your cards even in the absence of those rare cases?
Diablo-D3: splnkr: nope.
splnkr: then it's throwing darts with the best available along those parameters
Diablo-D3: thats where they get their game wrong
Diablo-D3: like, okay, lets take apple
mircea_popescu: splnkr that's a fine way to bleed equity.
Diablo-D3: its not the example I want but it works
Diablo-D3: apple does three things
Diablo-D3: they build products, they sell a service, and they also invest
mircea_popescu: in general banking goes bust when the sort of managers that think "we have to play" rise to the top.
splnkr: well this is what i see happening mircea_popescu
Diablo-D3: apple has a huge fucking investment department
mircea_popescu: that sort of managers are shit.
Diablo-D3: they are now being sued because they are, according to shareholders, "hoarding cash"
Diablo-D3: I hope apple wins, btw
Diablo-D3: apple is waiting for that one perfect deal and they want to buy it
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 a company that large is always goingto have activist shareholders going at it.
mircea_popescu: usually multiple groups.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but this is big enough to make the financial news
splnkr: yeah i say good for apple for having so much cash
Diablo-D3: a lot of major corporate investors are running this one
pigeons: zipbit is the patrickharnett/jonathan ryan owens scam right?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't often get reported (this wouldn't have except the "cash hoarding" bs meets the community aggenda of the current whiote house)
pigeons: http://coinlab.com/strategy
splnkr: and not debt leveraging themselves into oblivion
Diablo-D3: apple, as a business, is ran well
Diablo-D3: I dont agree with them on a lot of _technical_ issues
Diablo-D3: but steve jobs left behind a very competent executive staff
pigeons: wait zipbit is the patrick harnett/jonathan ryan owens/kimdotcom scam
pigeons: they are one of coinlab's 3 customers
Diablo-D3: so I dunno
Diablo-D3: I agree with mircea_popescu's wording of that though
Diablo-D3: its stupid to bleed capital
mircea_popescu: pigeons they mean bitcoini caca consultancy don't they
pigeons: wow looking at all these partners and startups, i guess all i need is twitter bootstrap and im a startup
Diablo-D3: pigeons: basically
Diablo-D3: and that pisses me off
Diablo-D3: I mean, I like people starting up companies
mircea_popescu: pigeons yes, the zipbit scam is their userbase.
Diablo-D3: that pushes the economy uphill pretty hard
Diablo-D3: its a good thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, the girl is starting a bitchslap programme on bitcointalk,
Diablo-D3: but I dont like the fucktards running around
mircea_popescu: this should prop the price up to 40 at least.
Diablo-D3: if you're going to do it, THEN OD IT
Diablo-D3: I am a firm believer in the GSD methodology.
splnkr: oooooh, bootstrap baby, you'll beget a billion beautiful sites that do nothing, oooooh
Diablo-D3: splnkr: and bootstrap sucks
Diablo-D3: Ive used it
Diablo-D3: its one of the worst css-in-a-box kits ever
Diablo-D3: foundation is pretty shitty too
mircea_popescu: splnkr at least it's no ruby on rails.
splnkr: what's any better though?
splnkr: lol
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: actually, it can be
mircea_popescu: then you know you're fucked
Diablo-D3: you often use foundation and bootstrap in the front with RoR or some pythonated hell in the back
mircea_popescu: course it can be, bitcoinica was, if you recall, a bootstrap site coded in ror and hosted on linode.
Diablo-D3: bootsrap only handles the css
splnkr: first time i heard about ruby on rails i thought it was a chick who was a coke fiend
splnkr: j/k
Diablo-D3: btw, why the fuck do people keep using jquery
pigeons: ok this is the best
pigeons: http://coinlab.com/storage
mircea_popescu: a chick that was a cocke fiend wouldn't have as many holes
Diablo-D3: I fucking hate jquery
imsaguy: you just found that?
mircea_popescu: and they wouldn't be as loose
Diablo-D3: it is a arge bloated pile of shit
imsaguy: pigeons, you're getting slow in your old age
mircea_popescu: imsaguy he's been on a journey of discovery
pigeons: they have a quote calculator for storing your bitcoins for you
imsaguy: I'm loving the ticker quote in the <title>
Diablo-D3: I can store my bitcoins for me myself.
imsaguy: except its a 3 hours old quote
Diablo-D3: I dont need to pay someone to do it for me
imsaguy: Diablo-D3: don't tell grandma that.
imsaguy: then again, grandma isn't going to buy bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136192804573.jpg
Diablo-D3: I fucking pgp encrypt it with a passphrase, and then upload it to multiple VPSes
Diablo-D3: tada, my own fucking cloud.
imsaguy: I just put my wallet.dat on linode
mircea_popescu: i tattoo it on starving children.
imsaguy: mirrored to lots of places
splnkr: and THATs why wall street won't bite.
splnkr: lol
pigeons: i like the "how technically minded are you " question to prequalify who is dumb enough to pay them to store bitcoins
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: dont care for blondes
mircea_popescu: pigeons lol.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 just, the position bitcoin venture capitalists imagine the gramma in missouri to be in.
splnkr: exactly.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I dont care about non-technical markets
splnkr: i don't think wall street is quite that dumb
Diablo-D3: they make no sense to me
Diablo-D3: and you know what one of warren buffet's rules are?
mircea_popescu: splnkr wall street is neither that dumb nor that innocent.
Diablo-D3: if you dont understand the business model, dont invest in it
mircea_popescu: these muppets are bringing bitcoin to ws about a year too late.
Diablo-D3: and I dont understand the business model.
Diablo-D3: I have been stuck in the land of technology far too long to think stupid enough anymore
splnkr: i tell my friends that too just from a personal investment standpoint! invest in what you know
splnkr: it just makes more sense
ThickAsThieves: Coinlab charts: Current Price 163m ago $33.70
mircea_popescu: lol win.
pigeons: current enough for wall street
imsaguy: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.61711, Best ask: 33.63998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02287, Last trade: 33.61711, 24 hour volume: 94251.07565531, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.44369
pigeons: ;;coinlag
gribble: Error: "coinlag" is not a valid command.
imsaguy: Good thing people got those loyalty points
imsaguy: worth fractions of a dollar
mircea_popescu: hey, one day when a dollar is worth 1mn bitcoins you'll be happy you saved those.
mircea_popescu: o no wait.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7687 @ 0.00074911 = 5.7584 BTC [-]
Bicknellski: fuck that took a good 40 minutes to catch up the thread here
Bicknellski: lol
Bicknellski: Must be a slow reader.
mircea_popescu: maybe you're one of the select elite that actually understands what they read.
Bicknellski: pff
Bicknellski: no but I am honest enough to admit I dont
Bicknellski: or smart enough to read more to find out
Bicknellski: There are some pretty slimey people in Bitcoin... I like that
kakobrekla: you like slimey people??
mircea_popescu: lampreys.
mircea_popescu: make delicious rice
Bicknellski: ya
Bicknellski: eels lampreys jawless fish
pigeons: http://coinlab.com/investors
pigeons: good ole Tihan Seale
mircea_popescu: pigeons all the good people huh.
pigeons: yeah man
mircea_popescu: (im pretty certain bitcoinca consultancy ppl are involved)
mircea_popescu: (no actual proof, but enough for an otr)
kakobrekla: i dont know these ppl
kakobrekla: who is tihan
pigeons: thye have the perfect credentials for this job
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tihan seale is the guy who stole from bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: the azn millionaire card fraudster / antique collector
kakobrekla: the sourcE?
pigeons: tihan bought bitcoinica from zhou and brought in phantomcircuit and the rest is history
mircea_popescu: he's the guy zhou supposedly convinced to give the moneyz back
mircea_popescu: "because international"
kakobrekla: oh
kakobrekla: smells dirty.
pigeons: coinlab will have all us/canada mtgox users moved over by march 22. is that bfl time?
imsaguy: they're beta testing on march 15
imsaguy: and alpha is even sooner
imsaguy: vroom
mircea_popescu: lol bfl time
pigeons: i predict smooth as danieldaniels face
ThickAsThieves: kako, pm'd
ThickAsThieves: thx
kakobrekla: np
kakobrekla: now you can talk dirty.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4398067.36359 based on data since last change | 4676975.06762 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ;;tricker
gribble: Error: "tricker" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6895 = 2.0685 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.63646, Bid-ask spread: 0.00646, Last trade: 33.63646, 24 hour volume: 97723.77922444, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48150
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.64000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 33.64000, 24 hour volume: 97810.83398230, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48455
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 28 @ 0.3 = 8.4 BTC [+]
jurov: kakobrekla, don't you happen to know anything about https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147599.0;topicseen ?
jurov: or it's just smear?
kakobrekla: i think its bogus
kakobrekla: but hey
kakobrekla: we have seen banks deny txes to btc exchanges before
kakobrekla: even with gox iirc
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: all the time
Bugpowder: I couldn't wire from BofA to gox for a while
Bugpowder: 'recieving account suspended'
mircea_popescu: it is a little concerning that mtgox keep bleeding market share.
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: they still have that fee bug at bitstamp
kakobrekla: i guess its becoming even less obvious with btc price going up
kakobrekla: cocksuckers.
mircea_popescu: by the way as a psa : i hope everyone is aware of http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
gribble: 1 BTC = 33.58999 U.S. dollars = 25.5826276 Euros
ThickAsThieves: 0.00013045 per share for sdice divs it looks like
mircea_popescu: maybe someone wins the <1 again on .01 btc this time
mircea_popescu: there's still what, 12 hours
ThickAsThieves: not sure what time they use
mircea_popescu: well unless they're in macau it's not yet march
ThickAsThieves: dooglus implies that estimate as "rough and ready"
mircea_popescu: i think he's right.
mircea_popescu: also no, http://blockchain.info/tx-index/57331947/df4d038d7734abe9385ae2d8973d8a6d42e3214489d54e6d53e30e3e0ff31076 is not me being stolen from. even if it was relied via moscow.
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.85000, Best ask: 33.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 33.90000, 24 hour volume: 98135.00942093, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.90000, 24 hour vwap: 32.52226
Bugpowder: I was wondering when you were going to put that wad into cold storage.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: it was in cold storage to begin with.
mircea_popescu: just changed freezers
B0g4r7_: Got my asicminer div. 0.0023544 BTC per share.
Bugpowder: ah. half a milli.
mircea_popescu: so like 2%. is this for the current month as feb or as march ?
Bugpowder: 20%
Bugpowder: oh o
Bugpowder: no
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no, they ipod .1
Bugpowder: 2 %
mircea_popescu: and are trading like .5 atm
Bugpowder: insanity
Bugpowder: although, they are the only game in town
B0g4r7_: Looks like 23% to me, of the IPO price.
B0g4r7_: Sadly I paid somewhat above IPO, but I still expect good things.
B0g4r7_: I think it's for Feb's earnings. Or rather, all up to this point.
Bugpowder: minus the expenses
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 let's try gribble.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0023544 / 0.1 * 100
gribble: 2.3544
B0g4r7_: Ok. I typo'd it.
B0g4r7_: Take off a leading zero.
mircea_popescu: you mean a trailing zero :D
ThickAsThieves: what % of divs get paid per share after the initial payoff?
B0g4r7_: I think divs get cut in half after the IPO price is raid in divs.
B0g4r7_: Maybe less if some debts need to be paid.
B0g4r7_: s/raid/repaid/
Bugpowder: $34.00
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.91100, Best ask: 34.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08900, Last trade: 34.00000, 24 hour volume: 99306.03255539, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.00000, 24 hour vwap: 32.54358
ThickAsThieves: yay
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 750 @ 0.27963952 = 209.7296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 900 @ 0.24959007 = 224.6311 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aaand the oix takes a full dollar jump
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 28000 @ 0.00636 = 178.08 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-human/tom-chatfield-technology-intimacy/
mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19dqcd/mpoe_introduced_bitcoin_price_sentiment_indicator/ methings you're banned
mircea_popescu: "Whatever happens, the very meat of our physical being is to be left behind."
mircea_popescu: this has been the socialist utopia for about 500 years now.
jurov: i did not notice anything untoward on reddit...looks just like it never got much above threshold
jurov: 11 up votes 9 down votes
mircea_popescu: but that one has 1 vote i thought that's how they do banning there
mircea_popescu: o i am on a stale page ?
mircea_popescu: this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2013
mircea_popescu: 1 point (100% like it)
mircea_popescu: 1 up vote 0 down votes
mircea_popescu: it says
jurov: you're in parallel universe maybe
mircea_popescu: maybe so!
mircea_popescu: maybe some broken caching
jurov: so, most trivial transaction possible to send 0.5BTC requires 0.0005 fee? i'm totally patching this
jurov: https://blockchain.info/tx/8903532f06070433f8d95125dcd1909298b004ffb95d35ef3e371d19c95c6110
mircea_popescu: hum
mircea_popescu: odd, it's under the tx limit no ?
jurov: dunno what limit it's under
ThickAsThieves: i notice the windows client will sometimes say you need a larger fee than makes sense
pigeons: oh you can calculate the size in kb of your inputs and the age in your head?
ThickAsThieves: then i'd cancel and try again
ThickAsThieves: and it'd work
mircea_popescu: pigeons yes
jurov: but that input is smallest possible
mircea_popescu: for the record i don't recall when i last paid a tx fee.
mircea_popescu: possibly last summer.
pigeons: oops sorry capslock
pigeons: why do they even have that key
mircea_popescu: what key ?!
pigeons: caps lock
mircea_popescu: for when you type mpex commands.
jurov: exchange it wot ctrl... or pry it off altogether
ThickAsThieves: it's a Search button on Chromebooks
mircea_popescu: so let the debate rage : when i add mining indexes to mpex, should they be called MIX or DIX ?
ThickAsThieves: BFL
Lyspooner: indices?
mircea_popescu: ungulates!
Bugpowder: what does DIX stand for?
mircea_popescu: diff
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223637 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4419440.20387 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.047
mircea_popescu: also! shameless plug : http://trilema.com/2013/permanently-elevated-plateau/
pigeons: spam detected.
Bugpowder: 34.25 detected
mircea_popescu: pigeons http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134259334770.jpg
mircea_popescu: detect a little overthere why dontcha :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 50 @ 0.0022 = 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov re fees : (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 1878 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:17:40. (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 2808 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:13:12.
mircea_popescu: etc
jurov: mircea, your wallet is well oiled so it hasn't problem to choose optimal unspent outputs
jurov: i drain the coinbr one frequently, exposing such behavoir
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: i think "cold storage optimisation specialist" will become one of the better earning specialisations in the future.
nOgAnOo: Mircea I love you
jurov: nOgAnOo, are you a girl?
mircea_popescu: cause if you;re not jurov would like to propose you love him instead.
kakobrekla: good point ill add that to my linked in ;)
kakobrekla: people will be like wtf frozen meat?
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: hehe
mod6: haha
mod6: nice
Diablo-D3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWu9TFJjHaM
Diablo-D3: jesus christ
mircea_popescu: o hey, shake your booty as a command.
mircea_popescu: literally magic.
Diablo-D3: yes, this qualifies as magic
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.17109, Best ask: 34.40710, Bid-ask spread: 0.23601, Last trade: 34.40736, 24 hour volume: 102949.56666322, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.67158
mircea_popescu: is this mature ?
mircea_popescu: i'd totally get a set for the girls.
Diablo-D3: its brand new
Diablo-D3: but the military HAS been experiementing with that shit for years
Diablo-D3: like, you know apple's siri?
mircea_popescu: yeah
Diablo-D3: its the end result of a 20 year military project
jurov: my god. so the discussion on #bitcoin-dev turned to proposals to round the outputs or add bitdust to them... just to spite mpex, perhaps
Bugpowder: uhhh
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.93294, Best ask: 33.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06706, Last trade: 33.00000, 24 hour volume: 120954.92202604, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58998
mircea_popescu: jurov obviously no actual devs present.
Bugpowder: $30.90 daym.. 15kBTC sale
Bugpowder: gap http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/search?q=Ycombinator&complete=0&tbs=qdr:d
mircea_popescu: that's nice. twitter and trilema in that order.
ThickAsThieves: thats funny
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder 15% gap
mircea_popescu: we are living interesting times
Bugpowder: biggest gap I ever saw on gox
ThickAsThieves: probly from delayed tickers on Coinlab and goxlive and such
ThickAsThieves: sell for $31, you got it!
Bugpowder: looked like a 15k market sell
Bugpowder: maybe someone hit the sell $500k button on coinlab
Bugpowder: by accident
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol
nOgAnOo: Right
mod6: haha, "what's this do..."
mircea_popescu: no , that can only happen on places where people actually have a lot of wealth
mircea_popescu: like, you know, mpex.
nOgAnOo: The 7000 bitcoin is right next to the 1 bitcoin
nOgAnOo: I noticed that.
Bugpowder: weird that its not filling at all really
Bugpowder: wonder if ordering if fucked up
ThickAsThieves: there's only like 100 coins for sale under 33
Bugpowder: or the bots just are in wait in see mode
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 75.78574 seconds
Bugpowder: oh
Bugpowder: my
Bugpowder: god
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.00000, Best ask: 32.01371, Bid-ask spread: 0.01371, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 121637.16767579, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58503
Ukto: you called? :P
mircea_popescu: derping.
mircea_popescu: i mean dropping
Bugpowder: clark moody has it at 32.92
ThickAsThieves: Ukto, shoudlnt you be working on The Next Big Thing tm?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i see it down to 31
Ukto: lunch break
ThickAsThieves: word
mod6: 32.06 was last on clark moody
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=2&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&
mircea_popescu: it gapped down at any rate.
mod6: yea
mircea_popescu: funny cause earlier ppl were buying calls.
Ukto: sounds like a big long distance bill
mod6: yeah some healthy sell volume.
mod6: it'll go back up
Ukto: just give the bots an hour or two to resituate
gigavps: hey mircea_popescu, how come you didn't own any Gigamining when GLBSE close?
gigavps: *closed
mircea_popescu: i dunno. how come you're beating your wife ?
Ukto: I think I just saw a bomb get dropped
gigavps: mircea_popescu that would go against your giga.etf contract, would it not?
mircea_popescu: you beating your wife you mean ?
mircea_popescu: not rly. i don't include people's wives in contracts.
gigavps: why are you evading a direct question?
Ukto: err
mircea_popescu: because it's a loaded question, and a poorly loaded one at that.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: did you not actually own giga shares to back it? x.x
mircea_popescu: course i did
Diablo-D3: yeah, but now the shares are worthless
mircea_popescu: he's running out of air with his various lies, so he's pulling a goat.
Diablo-D3: because giga is fucking investors around
mircea_popescu: which is cute, but hey.
gigavps: mircea_popescu, every person that own over 900 contracts has claimed and been paid
gigavps: so it would seem that your position is weakening
mircea_popescu: gigavps here's the thing : this sort of fake drama x months late won't save you from the fact that you've taken about 40k worth of investor's btc
Ukto: hmm, this is a pretty serious accusation
Bugpowder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73vGdCaC048
mircea_popescu: which is nowhere to be see.
mod6: we've been over all this like 69x
mircea_popescu: not getting into the details of pushing pirate, pushing amazingrando, pushing all the other scams.
Ukto: alright, there is obviously only one easy way to settle this
mircea_popescu: so, find something better to do with your time. like, say, a way to pay back.
mircea_popescu: lambert at least is trying.
gigavps: mircea_popescu the ice you are standing on is cracking
Diablo-D3: ahaha
mircea_popescu: right-o.
Ukto: lets send an open email to james/nefario asking him to confirm MP's claim
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: guess what came out
Diablo-D3: foundation 4
Diablo-D3: they fixed basically every single thing I bitched about
mircea_popescu: maybe they were listening
Diablo-D3: maybe
Diablo-D3: a lot of people were bitching
mircea_popescu: Ukto nefario, the scammertagged chav from bitcointalk you mean ?
Diablo-D3: they switched to zepto.js for their js (although to be fair, none of their js was REQUIRED to be used, it was purely optional)
Ukto: heh yes, the person who has been giving out accurate information
Diablo-D3: zepto > query by a shitload
Ukto: he has no reason to lie
mircea_popescu: Ukto i can dig up the logs for some accurate info he gave, if you're interested.
Ukto: hey, I am just trying to help
Ukto: i have never owned shares of giga/etf
Ukto: just dont like seeing false accusations fly.
Ukto: shouldnt be hard to get proof otherwise
gigavps: a word of waring to all, mircea_popescu doesn't live up to his own contracts
mircea_popescu: here's a start : nefario makes "conference". nobody goes, but hey.
mircea_popescu: Sep 16 01:13:36 <nefario> mircea_popescu: would you like me to mention you or mpex?
mircea_popescu: Sep 16 01:14:01 <mircea_popescu> no.
mircea_popescu: end result ? nefario explains the idiots present how much of a scam mpex is.
mircea_popescu: lalala. has no reason to lie indeed.
mircea_popescu: gigavps your cheek is incredible.
mircea_popescu: you are insolvent talking about ice under me !?
Ukto: eh.. honestly, nefario has made some shit decisions, we all agree with that
mircea_popescu: you've fucked over your investors, talking about my contracts ?
mircea_popescu: piss off scammer
gigavps: lol
Ukto: but even ppl he has had disagreements with like Diablo-D3 has gotten accurate info
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:88727e3706f37e445789b628889e38b864a9257925711655a385f20f
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
Ukto: and honestly, i dont see what reason gigavps has to lie about it. other than just wanting to bully and pick on you to keep your shares?
Diablo-D3: Ukto: yeah, I think Im the only one that got that level of treatment
mircea_popescu: ;;rate gigavps -10 Defrauded direct investors of something like 40k BTC. Lied about pretty much everything, changed his contract. Also one of the main pirate ponzi supporters.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user gigavps has been recorded.
jborkl: Giga, did you even have the hash power to back up your dividend payout?? I seem to remember not
Ukto: all the other giga share holoders I know who claimed got theirs
jborkl: ok
mircea_popescu: Ukto at the very minimum trying to get this false theory accepted whereby people actually claimed.
kakobrekla: i dont see how giga doing smth potentially wrong could be related to mp doing smth potentially wrong
Ukto: heh, I just want to solve the issue before it become some crazy drama
mod6: BEFORE?
mircea_popescu: the issue is solved.
mircea_popescu: and in general, scammers may get away with it cause i don't care
burnside: is giga's nick registered? how do you check that?
mircea_popescu: but if they start being uppity, they'll get bitchslapped.
mircea_popescu: simple thing to understand.
Ukto: i think the biggest issue regardless
Ukto: is GLBSE's failure
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03000, Best ask: 33.29995, Bid-ask spread: 0.26995, Last trade: 33.01234, 24 hour volume: 123154.64224059, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.59041
Ukto: because it comes down to your word vs GLBSE & Issuer's word
mircea_popescu: right.
burnside: cool, just wanted to make sure it was the one true giga
mod6: que up the retaliation ratings
gribble: Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is not identified.
Ukto: heh
Ukto: not very reassuring :P
gribble: Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is identified as user gigavps, with GPG key id F83554D76ADE3A3F, key fingerprint C4D30ACE7ACB2C16BCE9FD55F83554D76ADE3A3F, and bitcoin address None
Ukto: i suppose that works :P
jcpham: ;;rated gigavps
gribble: You rated user gigavps on Fri Aug 17 15:27:07 2012, giving him a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: Excellent trust.
mod6: well why would he want to deal with that nitwit anyway?
mod6: what would be the point?
mod6: bah. this is old news giga
thestringpuller: gigaetf had no value
thestringpuller: it became illiquid too
jcpham: this drama seems rota-ish
Ukto: how about this
Ukto: mircea_popescu: can you provide the btc address/email address used for glbse
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4032718/apple-deleting-icloud-emails-containing-barely-legal-teen
Ukto: let nefario make the statement weather the shares existed or noit
mod6: jcpham: NO
Ukto: and then the etf holders can deal with nefario
Ukto: and not gigavps
Ukto: and all is settled
mircea_popescu: Ukto no.
Diablo-D3: Ukto: not nefario
Diablo-D3: whoever issued the passthrough
jcpham: i pre de-nominamte myself
Ukto: 0,o
Diablo-D3: the passthrough owner is on the hook for it, not giga or nefari
Ukto: well
Ukto: at this point
Ukto: its an issue between MP and glbse
mod6: bullshit
mircea_popescu: no. at this point it's an issue between some idiot who thinks he can deflect attention from his misdealings by starting shit with me and the world.
mircea_popescu: the time for this sort of putative implication was last year,
mod6: these scammers are like wack-a-mole
mircea_popescu: not now that it became clear bfl isn't delivering
thestringpuller: you defrauded your investors gigavps
Ukto: mircea_popescu: so if mpex says I dont own shares of sdice, I sue Erik for my missing shares? >,>
thestringpuller: blackmailed them into submitting OFAC requests
thestringpuller: with id etc
mircea_popescu: Ukto no. on mpex you have receipts
mircea_popescu: you can prove what's what.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: f.giga.etf held the underlying asset at time of glbse closing [ ] Yes [ ] No
jurov: that's all
mircea_popescu: yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6889999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that said, i did not hold it directly, i never had a GLBSE acct.
mircea_popescu: that said, there's no doubt in my mind the proper qtys were actually beingheld for me.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: sure, but if mpex went away in an instant
Ukto: and I have a buy receipt
Ukto: and delete my sell receipt
Ukto: its now you word aginst mine
Ukto: right
Ukto: ?
Ukto: no different than glbse
mircea_popescu: Ukto in principle there'd be at the very least a decoded db dump
burnside: newest receipt wins I think
mircea_popescu: but even if that's not the case : the trade history is public,
Ukto: are they constantly backed up offsite out of your control ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and you can match up what's what.
Ukto: ah
mircea_popescu: yes. http://mpex.co/faq.html#22
mircea_popescu: the catastrophic failure mode is for each issuer to get a gpg-encypted list of the holder's fingerprints. much like rg got on the delisting of s.bvps
mircea_popescu: this can just be a pastebin if it comes to it
Ukto: is that a question?
Ukto: seems more of a statement
mircea_popescu: is what a question
ThickAsThieves: what is a word
grubles: he is asking if mircea_popescu owned the mircea_popescu account on glbse
grubles: ffs
ThickAsThieves: spam detected
mircea_popescu: herpderp
mircea_popescu: i don't own a mircea_popescu account on icbit.se either, since we're talking
mircea_popescu: i don't have a mtgox acct
mircea_popescu: and on it goes.
Ukto: so he did have them?
dub: its certainly not like mircea_popescu is known for employing lackeys for that kind fo thing
ThickAsThieves: maybe the person he had manage the account decided to make an account as his name?
ThickAsThieves: maybe it was mp and he's just fucking with you
mircea_popescu: maybe we'd best focus on how many people got separated from their residual btc because they didn't want to cough up for whatever apositlle bs
mircea_popescu: and break whatever local laws in the process.
thestringpuller: oooh 4k btc sooo much
mod6: smh
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.12357, Best ask: 33.31649, Bid-ask spread: 0.19292, Last trade: 33.12257, 24 hour volume: 124639.50823768, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.60481
mircea_popescu: well at least the drama worked, price back up.
grubles: so mircea_popescu on glbse was not the mircea_popescu that is chatting in this channel?
Ukto: well thats good at lesat
Ukto: as I said, bots just needed time to resituate after a selloff
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even much of a selloff. 5k ?
Bugpowder: 15
mircea_popescu: maybe things are a lot more fragile than the bull run past week suggests
Bugpowder: Just one person dumping
Bugpowder: I think
Bugpowder: it happened so fast, must have been
grubles: no one wants to answer my question? lol
mod6: retracement
mod6: little bit of profits are needed somewhere in the mix
mod6: then onwards and upwards
mod6: wake me up if it breaks past 27.5
mircea_popescu: you mean under ?
mod6: right
grubles: lol
mircea_popescu: hm, how accurate is blockchain.info when calcing the fees ?
burnside: If all of the shareholders with over 900 shares have claimed, it sounds like whomever claimed the 900 shares of MP's on behalf of MP owes the passthru shareholders some BTC?
burnside: Yeah, I was operating on the assumption that he was being honest when he answered the question of ownership.
mircea_popescu: burnside this if we trust nefario
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, if we trust gigavps.
mircea_popescu: both appear very dubious atm.
burnside: heh, the twisted web we weave.
Lyspooner: *tangled web
burnside: that too
mircea_popescu: but pro memoria :
jurov: mircea_popescu did you claim you account after glbse closed?
jurov: of whoever was on mpex behalf
jurov: *of->or
Lyspooner: Oh! what a tangled web we weave
Lyspooner: When first we practice to deceive!
mircea_popescu: i didn't have an account to claim and i trust the op to not have claimed gigavps.
Ukto: what?
mircea_popescu: 1. very dubious character noteworthy mostly for being detained at the border takes exchange down, which nets him a scammer tag.
Ukto: you didnt have an account?
Ukto: so someone else claimed the shares on your behalf?
mircea_popescu: 2. some lists of shareholders are issued. these are wrong.
Ukto: er bought them ?
mircea_popescu: 3. some more lists are issued. these are right, they say.
mircea_popescu: by now it's been about 3-4 months, and all this communication happened over email in plain text.
mircea_popescu: it would not surprise me if any of the three were the case :
mircea_popescu: a. nefario waited to see what's nto claimed, released lists including himself as beneficiary.
mircea_popescu: b. someone eavesdropped successfully, made claim.
mircea_popescu: c. gigavps is simply lieing (if nothing else for the simple interest that a 5 to 10% claim rate isn't something he'd like to admit)
Ukto: Sure, those are all reasonable
mircea_popescu: now, all these may be or may not be true, tho i lean towards thinking at least one probably is.
Ukto: I am curious now that you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: this state of affairs does NOT give some confused individual license to come in here and ask loaded questions implying i did something wrong.
Ukto: did you yourself not actually have a GLBSE account and hold 900 shares?
mircea_popescu: he is welcome to appologise to me at any time for being an idiot and involving himself in this mess,
mircea_popescu: not that it'd make a difference,
mircea_popescu: just as he's welcome to appologise to other people for involving them in the other many messes he's created since his presence in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: but all this is not here nor there, and certainly has no point in our discussion.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
grubles: he said he 'didnt have an account to claim'
mircea_popescu: Ukto i use brokers. i happen to think it's the correct way to do it.
grubles: so there mustve been an imposter on glbse with mircea_popescu 's name?
Ukto: ah
Ukto: but in your contract you didnt disclose that you held the shares via third party, right?
Ukto: MP is the OP for the etf asset, right?
mircea_popescu: it was amply disclosed here for instance.
Ukto: then that makes things simple
Ukto: can we get the third party to vrify your shares?
mircea_popescu: Ukto the problem is people work in bitcoin because they want to be anon.
mircea_popescu: for many people being involved in these things is professionally iffy
Ukto: um
mircea_popescu: you can lose your license as a stock broker for instance.
mircea_popescu: is it likely ? no. is it a risk people would run ? hell no.
Ukto: so your saying, that you used a 3rd party to buy the shares, and this person cannot be revealed?
Ukto: and that this person is a licensed stock broker?
jurov: http://web.archive.org/web/20121124181409/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=F.GIGA.ETF
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying anything of the sort.
Ukto: wondering what the commentary is for then
Ukto: leaves the basic question again, can we hav this third party simply verify things?
mircea_popescu: it will not happen.
Ukto: "Yes, I held 900 shares of giga for MP"
Ukto: Reason ?
mircea_popescu: there's no reason for a reason.
mircea_popescu: nobody can suddenly decide "hey, i want your id"
Ukto: well, the issuer is claiming the shares didnt exist
Ukto: sounds like a reason :P
mircea_popescu: issuer can claim w/e the fuck he pleases.
mircea_popescu: once his cratered asset is worth something, the people holding it on mpex might be able to recover something
Ukto: i just think its sad that you wont clear your name if its that easy :(
mircea_popescu: as it is... heh.
mircea_popescu: Ukto i happen to respect anonimity.
Ukto: alot of ppl respect you
mircea_popescu: and if im the only one here, that's great, i don't care.
Ukto: and while they should continue to
Ukto: its still best to show good faith in that respect
mircea_popescu: but this is a forewarning of things to come : i don't care what people manouver,
mircea_popescu: i won't reveal jack shit as a matter of going concern.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to spy on people just by manufacturing some concern trollage.
Ukto: heh
Ukto: well
Ukto: I give up
Ukto: I was just trying to be helpfull and make sure you got a clear name and everyone knew that giga was wrong
Ukto: you obviously dont care
mircea_popescu: thanks for playing.
Ukto: back to business as usual then. :)
Lyspooner: where were we?
Ukto: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.27001, Best ask: 33.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05999, Last trade: 33.33000, 24 hour volume: 125332.84318558, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.61138
Ukto: there
mircea_popescu: 33land lol
Lyspooner: ah yes
Lyspooner: A Palmer too! No wonder why
Lyspooner: I felt rebuked beneath his eye.[
mod6: Lyspooner == limerick king from zh?
mod6: that guy is hilarious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1485 @ 0.00637777 = 9.471 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know i just realised romanian YEARLY salary is like 100 btc
kakobrekla: hm
Lyspooner: unfair comparison
Lyspooner: romanian median yearly BTC salary is zero
mjr_: whats up everyone
mircea_popescu: hater.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ AAPL
ThickAsThieves: doubtful
ThickAsThieves: down -3.17
ThickAsThieves: AAPL is always down
Lyspooner: "what happens to bitcoin if the internet stops working?"... apparently if we look at romania where there still is no internet, there is at least one node, and that node becomes very wealthy
mjr_: AAPL Shall rise again!
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner literally the stuff involved in bitcoin could be done pen on paper
mircea_popescu: it'd take an army of slaves doing it, but it'd be done just fine.
mjr_: mircea_popescu that is true
ThickAsThieves: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/28/girls-gone-wild-bankruptcy/1954419/ 'Girls Gone Wild' goes bankrupt to dodge legal awards
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu: i just wanted to make fun of romania
mircea_popescu: but you suck so badly at it!
mircea_popescu: dude i love blogging. there's all these people making comments.
mircea_popescu: TIL that most ycombinator ventures use godaddy as a registrar.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you just closed -eu 1 min too soon
mircea_popescu: o ?
kakobrekla: 22:34.06 .•• mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) left #bitcoin-otc-eu ( "Leaving" )
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kakobrekla: 22:37.15 ( allex ) Hello
kakobrekla: 22:37.43 ( allex ) I need some traders to join my p2p bitcoin exchange site
kakobrekla: 22:38.01 ( allex ) the name of the site is
kakobrekla: 22:38.03 ( allex ) http://www.p2pbitexchange.com
kakobrekla: 22:39.39 ( kakobrekla ) what scam is this now
ThickAsThieves: wasnt your post 2nd on google like a few hours ago?
ThickAsThieves: for 'ycombinator'
kakobrekla: 22:40.22 ( allex ) ?
kakobrekla: 22:40.32 ( allex ) haha isnt a scam
kakobrekla: 22:41.15 ( allex ) there is no midle man (as it were) involved. Only p2p
kakobrekla: 22:42.12 ( allex ) <kakobrekla>
kakobrekla: 22:43.47 ( kakobrekla ) how is it better than irc and -otc wot allex
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah
ThickAsThieves: gone
mircea_popescu: aww!
ThickAsThieves: coinlab called up Brin
ThickAsThieves: was like yo axe that shit
mjr_: i have to say that godaddy's superbowl commercial and subsequent ad campaign was probably the most successful campaign of any internet company
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://www.google.com/search?q=Ycombinator&complete=0&tbs=qdr:d
mircea_popescu: i still see it. you don't ?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ that may be, but they suck at the actual soup.
mjr_: definitely
mjr_: they are the worst
mjr_: i use namecheap
jurov: i don't see it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well... wait till he finds about localbitcoins or w/e its called
mjr_: but still, why does everyone use them, when it is known that they suck
mircea_popescu: jurov i use nc too.
mircea_popescu: and imo they're so far ahead of anyone in their field it's rare.
kakobrekla: 22:44.14 ( allex ) The idea is to build a comunity of trders
kakobrekla: 22:44.23 ( allex ) once again only P2P
kakobrekla: 22:44.47 ( allex ) to build trust
kakobrekla: 22:45.02 ( allex ) by rating the trades
kakobrekla: 22:45.32 ( allex ) the focus is on exchange of bitcoins only nothing else
kakobrekla: 22:46.13 ( allex ) There is groups os paypal, nettler , poker , cash , western union
kakobrekla: 22:46.37 ( allex ) Got the idea?
kakobrekla: prolly built the site firt then come to -ot
kakobrekla: c
kakobrekla: first*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see how lucky you are he's enlightening you ?
mircea_popescu: ask him if he's romanian.
mircea_popescu: he sounds like 100 btc / year.
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: im le tierd from those kind of conversations.
mircea_popescu: im lucky. i think i have a reputation for an asshole, so most fragile minds avoid me or something.
ThickAsThieves: when you link, yes
kakobrekla: dont push it, ill send him here
ThickAsThieves: i see it
ThickAsThieves: but when i use URL bar to search, no
ThickAsThieves: whatever the hell reason that is
ThickAsThieves: it gives me much more sensible listings
ThickAsThieves: like their home page
ThickAsThieves: and wikipedia, etc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's 24 hours
mircea_popescu: not any time
mircea_popescu: &tbs=qdr:d that's what it does.
gribble: Error: "tbs=qdr:d" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: saywut ?!
mircea_popescu: &ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.60000, Best ask: 33.69300, Bid-ask spread: 0.09300, Last trade: 33.60000, 24 hour volume: 126392.80990105, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.62583
mircea_popescu: aHAHAHA
mod6: nice
mircea_popescu: today we learn to hax BOTH google and gribble.
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4413018.97089 based on data since last change | 4676975.06762 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: is this even documented anywhere ?!
ThickAsThieves: now i only have to hit two keys at once!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Lyspooner: &!estimate
gribble: Error: "!estimate" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;&estimate
gribble: Error: "&estimate" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: &bitchslap
ThickAsThieves: &;;estimate
gribble: Error: "bitchslap" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: ";;estimate" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: &slap bitch
mircea_popescu: totally.
Lyspooner: &ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66100, Best ask: 33.68999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02899, Last trade: 33.66100, 24 hour volume: 126401.21754295, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.62637
ThickAsThieves: undocumented feature for realz
mircea_popescu: &roulette
gribble: *click*
mircea_popescu: awesome.
ThickAsThieves: &easteregg
gribble: Error: "easteregg" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: boo
Lyspooner: $ticker
ThickAsThieves: you broke it
ThickAsThieves: hehe
dub: did people get the right asicminer test payment?
dub: they seem to have missed a 0 of mine
mircea_popescu: didn't they testy with 1 satoshi first
mircea_popescu: and then send the real deal, like 2.35% ?
ThickAsThieves: they sent already