jurov: mtgox has yet to say anything
Bugpowder: Seems more likely to be real than not.
jurov: even if mtgox thing materializes, don't necessarily mean they will make it through to the end of the year
ThickAsThieves: so does this expose americans to easier gov intervention now?
ThickAsThieves: so for example the gov could say, hey coinlab give us a list of all accounts connected to gox, we wanna run some audits
Bugpowder: how many US based gox users sitting with cash in there are going to buy the coins and ship them out before the transfer occurs?
Bugpowder: I'm not sure if I should be happy or pissed.
Bugpowder: I have a tangible cryptography account already, so I can still purchase from him
Bugpowder: I guess I overestimated the power of a reddit comment.
dub: is using coinlab non-optional for amerifags then?
dub: gox using amerifags I mean
Bugpowder: there are not a lot of easy options
pigeons: wtf does coinbase's platform have aqnything to do with "wall street"
BitHub: i smell a wallstreet fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15199 @ 0.0063799 = 96.9681 BTC [+]
dub: 'Coinbase brings bitcoin to the Alabama beef jerky co-operative' doesn't have the same ring
pigeons: "coinbase announces they are awitching business models again to improve something that they have no experience in that mtgox with the most experience doesn't like handling"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7 @ 0.0063799 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 223486 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 289 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 10 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4415943.46024 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.95123
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.119 = 0.714 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if asicminer is waiting for the next diff to triple their hashing
mircea_popescu: im totally going to publish a selection of these quotes.
Bowjob: Mhm.. it looks like bathroom tiles, doesn't it?
iz: trust us guys.. we really have chips... place your pre-orders!
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 109 @ 0.01 = 1.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00879 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00879 = 0.0352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 314 @ 0.0063799 = 2.0033 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.23000, Best ask: 31.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 31.25000, 24 hour volume: 30050.19888954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.22120
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.03998, Best ask: 31.24987, Bid-ask spread: 0.20989, Last trade: 31.24987, 24 hour volume: 30267.51838954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.21999
Bowjob: i wonder what the effects of coinlab will be
Bowjob: if it hurts btc prices, then i'll buy back cheaper
pigeons: i hope you're sacrcastic, it will have 0 effect
ThickAsThieves: the PR says that americans wont see mtgox branding anymore
mod6: BitHub I smell a wallstreet fail. << best comment
dub: hat matching shirt. instarapist
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: they have Buy buttons on their home page now, when you click, they ask for your phone number, wtf?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00072 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
mod6: (15:54) < ThickAsThieves> "Oh send them that one from the cruise!" << lol
ThickAsThieves: The Bitcoin network is the largest distributed computation cluster in the world. We help it's members provide their computation ability to the highest bidder.
mod6: (15:54) < Bugpowder> It is really worrisome << after reading the about page, I couldn't agree more
Bowjob: it worries me if either US or canadian gov't ask for a list of who bought bitcoins when they were cheap
Bowjob: assuming butcoins fetch for quite a bit
Bowjob: id would be a hassle for me lol
mod6: former baseball player
Bowjob: wheres the buy 1m button
Bowjob: would be very interested in it
ThickAsThieves: is there a gribble for how many bitcoins will $1mil get me?
mod6: ;;market --buy --usd 1000000
gribble: A market order to buy 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 30956.035 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 34.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 32.3039 USD/BTC.
Bowjob: they have a storage solution page
Bowjob: so you pay them money to store your bitcoins
Bowjob: sounds like debit cards
ThickAsThieves: i guess if youre an investment co, who do you trust with the coins?
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--ask" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--help" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
gribble: asks, bids, buy, sell, and ticker
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would sell 34890.485 bitcoins and would take the last price down to 26.7800 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.6611 USD/BTC.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.22125, Best ask: 31.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.66875, Last trade: 31.89000, 24 hour volume: 38143.57222950, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32046
Bowjob: Come on.. just 2 fucking cents
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.35000, Best ask: 31.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 31.88000, 24 hour volume: 38153.17698435, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32077
Bowjob: I was about to take a bite then it got pulled away
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65000, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01754, Last trade: 31.63000, 24 hour volume: 38971.49310386, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33081
ThickAsThieves: mp is off congregating with legion of bitcoin whales to deal with siteeation
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65001, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01753, Last trade: 31.66754, 24 hour volume: 39018.81424086, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33168
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.70001, Best ask: 31.76999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 31.70001, 24 hour volume: 39398.25969646, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33667
ThickAsThieves: i mean the smart thing is to take down your asks right now
Bowjob: Also Adam lost his bet
Bowjob: In a couple years we will look back on this event..
Bowjob: when btc are thousands of dollars each
Bowjob: "lol look at us.. getting excited over a dollar
Bowjob: now if Yifu can get his act together.. I want my aSIC
Namworld: those little stairs over 31 don't look natural on the orderbook...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.25125, Best ask: 32.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18875, Last trade: 32.44000, 24 hour volume: 52193.36438180, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.44000, 24 hour vwap: 31.50409
mircea_popescu: getting people to sell bitcoins from now on will be a feat.
Bowjob: Id prefer to stay in this range for a bit actually
mircea_popescu: "obama. started term, btc was 1/10000 of a pizza. ended term, 10`000 pizzas bought one btc"
Ukto: [18:54] <amphipod> Feb28 00:56:46 mtgox x11 165.2808 @ 32.79869778 USD
Bowjob: it was actually 10000 btc for 2 pizzas
Bowjob: get those investors on dice and ill be happuy
ThickAsThieves: really the market has been being controlled for a week or two now it looked like
Bowjob: i wonder what those ltc people will do now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.75000, Best ask: 32.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 32.75000, 24 hour volume: 55524.78325419, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.80000, 24 hour vwap: 31.57837
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.3881316 = 1388.1316 BTC [-]
Bowjob: wow some stupid dude complained about my gile
Namworld: I've seen you encouraging someone complaining about his gambling problems to keep gambling Bowjob...
dub: guys just a head up, I am satoshi and its time to dump my 500k
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 700 @ 1.38433736 = 969.0362 BTC [-]
Bowjob: it would be more noble if satoshi refused to own btc due to conflict of interest
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it's pretty well established he doesn't have much if anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.26888574 = 268.8857 BTC [+]
Namworld: wait till it reaches 666.666666 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 600 @ 0.23935683 = 143.6141 BTC [+]
Bowjob: eh you guys are too bearish
thestringpuller: Gold went up almost 100 dollars while bernanke spoke to congress
kakobreklaa: so i btc will be like 5000 usd or 60 euros
thestringpuller: QE infinity is going on so if the US goes into hyperinflation that could be plausible...
thestringpuller: and trillion dollars will by a stick of gum in that future :P
Bowjob: the wall observer went nuts
dub: I just fat finger failed
Bowjob: I wonder if that dude who shoved a sharpie up his ass is happy
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03123, Best ask: 33.08039, Bid-ask spread: 0.04916, Last trade: 33.08039, 24 hour volume: 62463.10960810, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.72613
dub: kakobreklaa: I 32'd when I should have 33'd
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
dub: where for art thou smickles
Bugpowdr: I bot all my gox cash 3 hours ago cause I though it was going to rocket
Namworld: I feel tainted... by trading...
Namworld: No... I'd be the one raping...
Bowjob: bug.. what happened to your btc short
Bugpowdr: waited till the 24hprc started going up
copumpkin: when you don't short it is when you get screwed
copumpkin: but when you do, you also get screwed
copumpkin: just learn to accept the unconditional screwage
Bowjob: btc is dangerous to short
Bowjob: I wanted to short LTC no one took me on my offer lol
Chaang-Noi: we broke the high and i was sleeping???
Namworld: Go dream for a while, come back when they're 500 USD/BTC or something
Chaang-Noi: wow, nice bid walls, and no real ask walls
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.91578, Best ask: 33.05300, Bid-ask spread: 0.13722, Last trade: 33.05300, 24 hour volume: 63289.54985978, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.75887
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 439 @ 0.01 = 4.39 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'm still surprised at getting so much BTC loaned to me considering the interest I offer.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 235 @ 0.01 = 2.35 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if we will see a bubble to $200 or something
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.93788, Best ask: 32.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06212, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 76977.68308630, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.89740
Namworld: manipulator action going on...
Namworld: I saw the walls form regular steps or changing place all the time
Chaang-Noi: mtgoxlive.com fails for me, is there a better site like it?
Chaang-Noi: i placed a sell order for 10% of my btc at $200
Namworld: It's the same but loads faster.
gribble: Error: "lag" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "goatlag" is not a valid command.
Bugpowdr: I think we are going to 50 now
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00629 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00629 = 0.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0063 = 6.3 BTC [+]
Bugpowdr: he is selling half ounces at 1.3BTC though, much cheaper than anywhere else.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 454 @ 0.00636 = 2.8874 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00639 = 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10039 @ 0.0064 = 64.2496 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0064 = 0.064 BTC [+]
Namworld: BTCTC has about 2.3k 30d volume right now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.45988, Best ask: 32.58915, Bid-ask spread: 0.12927, Last trade: 32.45988, 24 hour volume: 79609.88962262, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.91584
Bugpowdr: it hit 31.40 taking out 15,000 BTC on the way
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.0915995 = 1.832 BTC
Bowjob: i have a confession.. i actually dont know how to mine bitcoins
Bowjob: yet i jumped on the avalon bandwagon
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.60001, Best ask: 32.60490, Bid-ask spread: 0.00489, Last trade: 32.60490, 24 hour volume: 80058.57461354, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.92017
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 4 @ 0.26985946 = 1.0794 BTC [+]
Bugpowdr: The buy must have been triggered by the are technia article
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 (298 shares, 0.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00196487 / 0.00196488 / 0.001965 (3303 shares, 6.49 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00147341 / 0.001965 (77565 shares, 114.29 BTC)
Bugpowdr: I had advanced knowledge and I fucked it up.
Bugpowdr: Let's just get up to 50 so I can forget about this troubled time in my life.
Bugpowdr: people understand what easier US market access will do to the price.
Chaang-Noi: the one about coinlab helping instatutional investers was pretty damn bullish
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i wonder if people knew about that and they bought it all up
Chaang-Noi: i never sold, have a sell over for 10% at $200
kakobrekla: im gonna redesign bitbet when 100 happens
Bowjob: just hold it and forget it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Bowjob: had you forgotten about btc in 2011
Bowjob: and checked it in 2013, ud go.. yawn
kakobrekla: and if everybody does that, few years from now not a single node will be runing
Bowjob: ill be mining soon so i wont forget
Bowjob: ill ride this horse wherever it takes me
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you never sold what exactly ? whatever was left after paying out for the TYGRR.BOND (100% Insured Pirate Bonds)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 5 @ 0.21653437 = 1.0827 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.35 = 3.15 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mircea_popescu i did pay that out in full
aiball: is the s.dice dividend still 14K?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]
Bowjob: could it be the buy was a panic buy
Bowjob: will bring customers closer to IRS
BitHub: yeah good work coinlab
BitHub: bring wallstreet to bitcoin
Bowjob: .. i wont ever touch coinlab with a ten foot pole
Bugpowdr: The cash for that buy was proablbly already in there
aiball: so, my mtgox purchase 6 months ago is on the IRS books now?
Bugpowdr: who knows, maybe they will do a good job
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2457 @ 0.00074124 = 1.8212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074124 = 7.4124 BTC [-]
Bowjob: it will be if you use coinlab
BitHub: they'll be the first to get slaughted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00073982 = 0.4572 BTC [-]
Bugpowdr: will be the first to be examined
BitHub: we're talking about taxes here
Bowjob: if BTC gets high enough, the govt might actually dig through 100 dollar buys
aiball: aethero I was asking your question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6795 BTC [-]
Bugpowdr: unless they really are treating BTC as a foreign currency that is to be market to market at year end
Bugpowdr: If you want BTC to hit $1000, there are some things that are gonna have to happen first
Chaang-Noi: $1000 should be in 3 years or maybe more, lots of time
Chaang-Noi: what is better on linux a i3 2130 or an amd 955?
aiball: Bugpowder I agree, Like Butch and Sundance didn't need to keep watch until they had the payroll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6795 = 4.077 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.278 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2701 = 0.5402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.27 = 1.89 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm.. i wonder if this is allowed
Bowjob: i just cash in enough BTC to hit the limit of a poor person
Bowjob: so i wont have to pay income tas
Bowjob: but i have enough BTC worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
Namworld: If your BTC has appreciated in value, I think you don't need to declare that value increase until you sell them. So yes. But speak to an accountant.
Namworld: It's like when you have income. You pay your taxes, then let's say you buy stocks. If they raise in value, you don't pay taxes on that until you sell, at which point the price difference becomes capital gains.
Namworld: Laws & regulations vary by country/state tho
Bowjob: and wont have to work for the whole year
Bowjob: but what if i use btc directly
Namworld: They might not but that's supposed to be declared.
Eduard_Munteanu: The interesting thing is stock brokers here retain the tax as soon as you sell.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not the end of the year, or the month or anything. Immediately.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
topace_: hey mircea_popescu you there? still working on this auto-push-receipt processing...
topace_: i cant just hash the receipt to get a unique id because then doing something as simple as changing the comment in th e sig would change the hash and stilll validate
topace_: Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
topace_: i can change that line on the receipt and it still validates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00074829 = 4.6499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0007522 = 4.9645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00075379 = 5.2275 BTC [+]
topace_: and if i try to just grab the actual signature hash, that can still be changed adn still validate
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ
topace_: is the signature on this receipt
topace_: if i add a 1 to teh end of it, it still validates
topace_: i can actually add anything concatenated to the end
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ
topace_: =DWpVadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf
topace_: -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
mircea_popescu: the last line is always a =xyzk 4 characters checksum of the foregoing
mircea_popescu: if the checksum is broken it doesn't actually validate
mircea_popescu: if more shit is added at the end that doesn't actually matter.
topace_: ahh, so I should only be considering the 2 lines of the signature hash?
topace_: hmm nope, i can concatenate the two lines into one and it validates.. i can combine all 3 lines onto one, and it validates too...
mircea_popescu: the structure of a gpg signed message is, there's a header (begin blabla, comment whatever), then a message, then a signature ehader, then the signature
topace_: does the = at the end of the sig (before the checksum) designate the end of the signature?
topace_: so how can i reliably filter out just the signature? if there's no logical separator?
mircea_popescu: the gpg parser mostly ignores spaces/newlines/etc EXCEPT it wants a newline after the begin sig tag
topace_: all on one line: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV
mircea_popescu: put it on the same line with -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
topace_: so if there can be crap after the end, how do i know where to stop reading characters that are actually part of the signature
topace_: yea it definitely needs a blank line after the BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE line
mircea_popescu: within the signature block, a =j61e type string is the end (cause it's the checksum)
topace_: but if there's no way of knowing how long the signature is expected to be, and it allows adding crap at the end, again, how do i know where to stop reading the characters of the 'actual' signature
topace_: but how can you be sure you've reached the checksum?
mircea_popescu: (the = char may not be part of the signature cause it's not in the base64 list)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.14001, Best ask: 32.35299, Bid-ask spread: 0.21298, Last trade: 32.35599, 24 hour volume: 81740.26344155, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.94954
topace_: so i'd also have to trim off the = before the =4chr
topace_: because it can be there or not and it still validates
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg=DWpV
topace_: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==========DWpV
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [+]
topace_: okay, so im just doing /\n([A-Z0-9]+)/ ?
topace_: then using that as my unique identifier to ensure i never double-process the same receipt?
mircea_popescu: 1. you look for -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----. if not found, kill the task. if found :
mircea_popescu: 2. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that
mircea_popescu: 3. you look for the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- tag.
mircea_popescu: 4. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that
mircea_popescu: 5. you look for an = and wipe everything from that point forward (including it)
topace_: yea.. okay that makes sense..
topace_: so i end up with just iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg
topace_: on the push receipt im using as a sample at least
topace_: then i should still take a hash of the signature, and use the hash as my unique identifier?
jurov: interesting, this signature stuff
topace_: if you sign the same thing multiple times, the signature will always be different though, right?
topace_: if i was going to do a digest of the whole message, i'd have to do it based on a post-processed data (removing the comments and the blank lines, etc)
mircea_popescu: if you sign the same thing multiple times the sig will be different yes
topace_: becuase one stray \n would cause a different digest for the same receipt
topace_: okay excellent, i think that gives me enough to get this implemented tomorrow.. bedtime now! thanks for your help!
mircea_popescu: (one after begin message tag, one after begin signature tag) and non-base64 chars you should be ok.
topace_: oo actually gnupg_verify() will return the plaintext portion of hte message for me (but not the signature portion)
topace_: nope.. just the fingerprint
jurov: OIX looks nice... lol, good it wasn't around last weekend when i did my assorted next month calls shopping
jurov: they had breakeven around 50 :D
jurov: mircea_popescu i see my coinlab bet proposal being refunded, why?
jurov: or it was just already paid out? lol
jurov: i'll try to reconstruct it from memory: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by end of this year
jurov: bet will resolve as YEs when coinlab.com will be unavailable through 7 days straight, too.
jurov: <jurov> [21:52:28 CET] what do you think about bet: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by June ?
jurov: i did it awhile after that
jurov: i suspect i may have mixed coinbase/coinlab..
jurov: maybe after a while i get so confused so i'll mention coinbr along with them it and havoc ensues :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8970 @ 0.0007 = 6.279 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8615 @ 0.0007 = 6.0305 BTC [-]
jurov: ars managed to put a foot into their mouth as well
jurov: almost as if coinlab bought mtgox
jurov: And placing the exchange's funds within US jurisdiction will make it harder for the firm to disappear with customers' cash.
kakobrekla: jurov are you already or still up this morning
toffoo: ThickAsThieves: where did you get it?
jurov: still up, unfortunately
kakobrekla: aha so its you, mircea and me, the three fucked yuropean
jurov: hate to nitpick, but 10 decimal places? two are sufficient for such index
jurov: (unless btc falls below 1, ofc)
jurov: i stand corrected. i can now imagine the hysteria on #assets "crash!! oix down 0.5 satoshi!!"
jurov: as soon as bowjob learns about it
toffoo: ThickAsThieves: your new hendrix album
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i envisage this being used as a replacement for satoshi dice random number generator
jurov: not sure if serious
mircea_popescu: Chips almost bumped, shipping on week of 4 - or 11 at the latest
jurov: yup it used the graph as thumbnail
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00072 = 0.0036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.00643 = 0.9645 BTC [-]
jurov: in the parentheses are next month/this month?
jurov: but then, 23.73 seems too low
jurov: good mornin Chaang-Noi
jurov: we'll see when americans "wake up to" it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.10207, Best ask: 32.26999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16792, Last trade: 32.26999, 24 hour volume: 83302.39912401, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.96821
kakobrekla: since sleeping goats have positive effects of crypto currencies price
jurov: what we do with goats when they wake up?
mircea_popescu: ungulates only produce milk if they're pregnant you know.
jurov: hm, i milked goats late in summer myself... and i know they give milk for whole year
jurov: dunno about fucking. was never so desperate.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.60110, Best ask: 33.60111, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 33.60111, 24 hour volume: 94092.99709452, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.83941, 24 hour vwap: 32.37123
mircea_popescu: what do you know, retardopedia has a 5000 word entry on the topic.
mircea_popescu: i remember teenybopers were crazy about it not so long ago.
mod6: i remember watching that on tv like omg SHE BANGS! this kid is on turbo mode.
mod6: epic fails are epic
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66888, Best ask: 33.88997, Bid-ask spread: 0.22109, Last trade: 33.66888, 24 hour volume: 95511.46006840, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.39862
mircea_popescu: lol as a result of the discussions here, mtgox came out with a forum post in support of coinbase.
nOgAnOo: I just rejoined bitcoin today
nOgAnOo: Sorry I'm 24 hours late on the news post
mircea_popescu: nOgAnOo now now, don't get excited. how was your vacation ?
nOgAnOo: I just updated my client from .3.20
mircea_popescu: "Liquidity requires symmetric information, which is easiest to achieve when everyone is ignorant. This determines the design of many securities, including the design of debt and securitization"
nOgAnOo: Wow it seems you posted a link a few seconds after mine quoting my link!
nOgAnOo: It seems I was relevant after all?
nOgAnOo: “coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal”
pigeons: mtgox still doesnt explain what it even means
mircea_popescu: pigeons yes but then again they never don't and usually don't even know what anything means.
nOgAnOo: Easier for corporations to buy mass amounts of bitcoins
pigeons: ooo, now you get another middleman!
ThickAsThieves: because if they did, everyone would know that gox basically raped CoinLab investors for a chance to make bitcoin available to dummies
pigeons: and in a horrible country for financial transactions!
pigeons: nOgAnOo: that makes no sense
jcpham: if coinlab doesn't pull a rabbit out of their hat, i predict they are over
mircea_popescu: well, i appreciate at tleast the part where they read up on what they fucked up and try to fix it
jcpham: that is a solid prediction
mircea_popescu: course, fixing it in their usual dodderingway, but at least the attempt is there.
mircea_popescu: which all boils down to jcpham being basically right :
mircea_popescu: all they need now is the rabbit out of a hat and they'll survive.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it ever will be the case that total blocks mined by asicminer > total posts made in asicminer thread.
pigeons: mtgox has quite low margins anyway and coinlab has a reputation at not understanding how to make money
mircea_popescu: pigeons the sad news in all of this is mtgox basically saying "the us market is not worth serving"
mircea_popescu: if anything;'s a ghetto i dunno what else it would be.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno dont you think gox is probably shedding 80% of the work for .2% of the profit?
pigeons: well its been true. exchb was a good example.
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile @the red house, bob woodward is "being punished")
pigeons: "Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market."
jcpham: coinlab is pissing me off for changing their business model and delaying things
jcpham: i hope coinlab succeeds though
Bugpowder: if they do succeed though, gonna be nice pump
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it will crash sometime in late summer/early autumn, probably taking some people's btc with them.
pigeons: they won't succeed and i dont see it affecting price either way
Bugpowder: I really dislike the 'folksy' style of their communication.
mod6: trying to watch these idiots on CNBC/CNN/Faux others + washington try to keep the shit inside the horse is quite comica.
Bugpowder: Bro, be chill we are like totally secure dude
pigeons: coinlab used to say they had "lots" of hpc clients lined up for gpu mininers work, anytime i tried to get details the answer was "lots of people pay for password cracking" and that work obviously never showed up so i question their honesty as well
splnkr: i'd say the real question isn't whether coinlab can deliver but whether wall street will bite
pigeons: yeah they are offering tools no one wants or needs
jcpham: coinlab.com used to point to some funky WURM online game
jcpham: Give us a call at 855-Lab-Coin or drop us a line to ask us about:
jcpham: Foreign Exchange Liquidity Provision
jcpham: Custom Orders / Standing Orders
jcpham: Full-Service Support for Family and Institutional Wealth
jcpham: goddamnit you motherfuckers coinlab
mircea_popescu: pigeons there's more good reason to question their honesty
mircea_popescu: loads of little things cropping up, like the habit of cancelling trades when price goes up then paying off those who throw a stink on forum
pigeons: mircea_popescu: that's coinbase
Bicknellski: Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market.
pigeons: yes coinbase is the ycombinator/pgraham one
pigeons: coinbase is a gox front end with extra fees and extra problems
pigeons: coinlab is a former mining pool that overpaid so they could keep users for when they got non bitcoin hashing work that never showed up
pigeons: coinbase was giving out .1 btc for account refferals when they started and was gonna implement a big pyramid scheme but the rising price killed that
Diablo-D3: did asicminer just push out the real dividend?
mircea_popescu: isn't coinlab run by the same people who run coinbase ?
pigeons: today i have been using coinbase to refer to coinbase and coinlab to refer oinlab
pigeons: yesterday i was not so accurate
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 so have they scrapped their exchange or wtf are they doing ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: theres plans in the works Im not allowed to talk about
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00075999 = 3.4481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00075999 = 0.38 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I hate TC, honestly
Diablo-D3: y combinator is a group of VCs, btw
Diablo-D3: theres a few y combinator VCs that represent VC companies
splnkr: well, dorks backed by vc
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ycombinator isnt a team of dorks
Diablo-D3: I think they invest rather too readily, though
mircea_popescu: jcpham nothing wrong with throwingmoney around in principle
Diablo-D3: its okay to invest small amounts in iffy ventures if you're hedging bets
splnkr: perhaps narrowly is the word
mircea_popescu: if you're sitting on a few bn, it makes sense to peel the odd million to aggitated kids.
Diablo-D3: they want to invest in the next google
splnkr: well, honestly, the vc game is like that by nature. you can't predict the future. you have to place a bunch of bets and hope one hits it big
splnkr: like the hollywood box office model
Diablo-D3: splnkr: actually, I _can_ predict the future
pigeons: thanks i thought they were distinct. the combination lowers my esteem for both of them
splnkr: Diablo-D3: don't be wasting your time here then!
mircea_popescu: coupla years ago i was living with a generally good opinion of them and graham
Diablo-D3: if I understand the business plan, if I meet the founders and drill the shit out of them and they pass, and if the market they're going into is a logical choice
splnkr: but if your business model is venture capital investment, don't you have to play your cards even in the absence of those rare cases?
splnkr: then it's throwing darts with the best available along those parameters
Diablo-D3: thats where they get their game wrong
Diablo-D3: its not the example I want but it works
Diablo-D3: they build products, they sell a service, and they also invest
mircea_popescu: in general banking goes bust when the sort of managers that think "we have to play" rise to the top.
splnkr: well this is what i see happening mircea_popescu
Diablo-D3: apple has a huge fucking investment department
Diablo-D3: they are now being sued because they are, according to shareholders, "hoarding cash"
Diablo-D3: apple is waiting for that one perfect deal and they want to buy it
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 a company that large is always goingto have activist shareholders going at it.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but this is big enough to make the financial news
splnkr: yeah i say good for apple for having so much cash
Diablo-D3: a lot of major corporate investors are running this one
pigeons: zipbit is the patrickharnett/jonathan ryan owens scam right?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't often get reported (this wouldn't have except the "cash hoarding" bs meets the community aggenda of the current whiote house)
splnkr: and not debt leveraging themselves into oblivion
Diablo-D3: I dont agree with them on a lot of _technical_ issues
Diablo-D3: but steve jobs left behind a very competent executive staff
pigeons: wait zipbit is the patrick harnett/jonathan ryan owens/kimdotcom scam
pigeons: they are one of coinlab's 3 customers
Diablo-D3: I agree with mircea_popescu's wording of that though
mircea_popescu: pigeons they mean bitcoini caca consultancy don't they
pigeons: wow looking at all these partners and startups, i guess all i need is twitter bootstrap and im a startup
Diablo-D3: I mean, I like people starting up companies
Diablo-D3: that pushes the economy uphill pretty hard
mircea_popescu: anyway, the girl is starting a bitchslap programme on bitcointalk,
Diablo-D3: but I dont like the fucktards running around
Diablo-D3: if you're going to do it, THEN OD IT
Diablo-D3: I am a firm believer in the GSD methodology.
splnkr: oooooh, bootstrap baby, you'll beget a billion beautiful sites that do nothing, oooooh
Diablo-D3: its one of the worst css-in-a-box kits ever
splnkr: what's any better though?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: actually, it can be
Diablo-D3: you often use foundation and bootstrap in the front with RoR or some pythonated hell in the back
mircea_popescu: course it can be, bitcoinica was, if you recall, a bootstrap site coded in ror and hosted on linode.
splnkr: first time i heard about ruby on rails i thought it was a chick who was a coke fiend
Diablo-D3: btw, why the fuck do people keep using jquery
mircea_popescu: a chick that was a cocke fiend wouldn't have as many holes
imsaguy: pigeons, you're getting slow in your old age
pigeons: they have a quote calculator for storing your bitcoins for you
imsaguy: I'm loving the ticker quote in the <title>
Diablo-D3: I can store my bitcoins for me myself.
imsaguy: except its a 3 hours old quote
Diablo-D3: I dont need to pay someone to do it for me
imsaguy: Diablo-D3: don't tell grandma that.
imsaguy: then again, grandma isn't going to buy bitcoin
Diablo-D3: I fucking pgp encrypt it with a passphrase, and then upload it to multiple VPSes
imsaguy: I just put my wallet.dat on linode
imsaguy: mirrored to lots of places
splnkr: and THATs why wall street won't bite.
pigeons: i like the "how technically minded are you " question to prequalify who is dumb enough to pay them to store bitcoins
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: dont care for blondes
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 just, the position bitcoin venture capitalists imagine the gramma in missouri to be in.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I dont care about non-technical markets
splnkr: i don't think wall street is quite that dumb
Diablo-D3: and you know what one of warren buffet's rules are?
mircea_popescu: splnkr wall street is neither that dumb nor that innocent.
Diablo-D3: if you dont understand the business model, dont invest in it
mircea_popescu: these muppets are bringing bitcoin to ws about a year too late.
Diablo-D3: and I dont understand the business model.
Diablo-D3: I have been stuck in the land of technology far too long to think stupid enough anymore
splnkr: i tell my friends that too just from a personal investment standpoint! invest in what you know
splnkr: it just makes more sense
pigeons: current enough for wall street
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.61711, Best ask: 33.63998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02287, Last trade: 33.61711, 24 hour volume: 94251.07565531, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.44369
gribble: Error: "coinlag" is not a valid command.
imsaguy: Good thing people got those loyalty points
imsaguy: worth fractions of a dollar
mircea_popescu: hey, one day when a dollar is worth 1mn bitcoins you'll be happy you saved those.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7687 @ 0.00074911 = 5.7584 BTC [-]
Bicknellski: fuck that took a good 40 minutes to catch up the thread here
mircea_popescu: maybe you're one of the select elite that actually understands what they read.
Bicknellski: There are some pretty slimey people in Bitcoin... I like that
mircea_popescu: (im pretty certain bitcoinca consultancy ppl are involved)
pigeons: thye have the perfect credentials for this job
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tihan seale is the guy who stole from bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: the azn millionaire card fraudster / antique collector
pigeons: tihan bought bitcoinica from zhou and brought in phantomcircuit and the rest is history
mircea_popescu: he's the guy zhou supposedly convinced to give the moneyz back
pigeons: coinlab will have all us/canada mtgox users moved over by march 22. is that bfl time?
imsaguy: they're beta testing on march 15
pigeons: i predict smooth as danieldaniels face
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4398067.36359 based on data since last change | 4676975.06762 based on data for last three days
gribble: Error: "tricker" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6895 = 2.0685 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.63646, Bid-ask spread: 0.00646, Last trade: 33.63646, 24 hour volume: 97723.77922444, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48150
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.64000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 33.64000, 24 hour volume: 97810.83398230, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48455
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 28 @ 0.3 = 8.4 BTC [+]
jurov: or it's just smear?
kakobrekla: we have seen banks deny txes to btc exchanges before
Bugpowder: I couldn't wire from BofA to gox for a while
mircea_popescu: it is a little concerning that mtgox keep bleeding market share.
kakobrekla: they still have that fee bug at bitstamp
kakobrekla: i guess its becoming even less obvious with btc price going up
gribble: 1 BTC = 33.58999 U.S. dollars = 25.5826276 Euros
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.85000, Best ask: 33.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 33.90000, 24 hour volume: 98135.00942093, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.90000, 24 hour vwap: 32.52226
Bugpowder: I was wondering when you were going to put that wad into cold storage.
B0g4r7_: Got my asicminer div. 0.0023544 BTC per share.
mircea_popescu: so like 2%. is this for the current month as feb or as march ?
Bugpowder: although, they are the only game in town
B0g4r7_: Looks like 23% to me, of the IPO price.
B0g4r7_: Sadly I paid somewhat above IPO, but I still expect good things.
B0g4r7_: I think it's for Feb's earnings. Or rather, all up to this point.
ThickAsThieves: what % of divs get paid per share after the initial payoff?
B0g4r7_: I think divs get cut in half after the IPO price is raid in divs.
B0g4r7_: Maybe less if some debts need to be paid.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.91100, Best ask: 34.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08900, Last trade: 34.00000, 24 hour volume: 99306.03255539, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.00000, 24 hour vwap: 32.54358
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 750 @ 0.27963952 = 209.7296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 900 @ 0.24959007 = 224.6311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 28000 @ 0.00636 = 178.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Whatever happens, the very meat of our physical being is to be left behind."
mircea_popescu: this has been the socialist utopia for about 500 years now.
jurov: i did not notice anything untoward on reddit...looks just like it never got much above threshold
jurov: 11 up votes 9 down votes
mircea_popescu: but that one has 1 vote i thought that's how they do banning there
jurov: you're in parallel universe maybe
jurov: so, most trivial transaction possible to send 0.5BTC requires 0.0005 fee? i'm totally patching this
jurov: dunno what limit it's under
ThickAsThieves: i notice the windows client will sometimes say you need a larger fee than makes sense
pigeons: oh you can calculate the size in kb of your inputs and the age in your head?
jurov: but that input is smallest possible
mircea_popescu: for the record i don't recall when i last paid a tx fee.
pigeons: WELL YOUR NOT TRYING TO SCREW WITH PEOPLE ENOUGH THEN
pigeons: why do they even have that key
jurov: exchange it wot ctrl... or pry it off altogether
mircea_popescu: so let the debate rage : when i add mining indexes to mpex, should they be called MIX or DIX ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 223637 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4419440.20387 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.047
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 50 @ 0.0022 = 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov re fees : (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 1878 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:17:40. (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 2808 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:13:12.
jurov: mircea, your wallet is well oiled so it hasn't problem to choose optimal unspent outputs
jurov: i drain the coinbr one frequently, exposing such behavoir
mircea_popescu: i think "cold storage optimisation specialist" will become one of the better earning specialisations in the future.
jurov: nOgAnOo, are you a girl?
mircea_popescu: cause if you;re not jurov would like to propose you love him instead.
kakobrekla: good point ill add that to my linked in ;)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.17109, Best ask: 34.40710, Bid-ask spread: 0.23601, Last trade: 34.40736, 24 hour volume: 102949.56666322, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.67158
Diablo-D3: but the military HAS been experiementing with that shit for years
Diablo-D3: its the end result of a 20 year military project
jurov: my god. so the discussion on #bitcoin-dev turned to proposals to round the outputs or add bitdust to them... just to spite mpex, perhaps
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.93294, Best ask: 33.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06706, Last trade: 33.00000, 24 hour volume: 120954.92202604, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58998
ThickAsThieves: probly from delayed tickers on Coinlab and goxlive and such
Bugpowder: maybe someone hit the sell $500k button on coinlab
mod6: haha, "what's this do..."
mircea_popescu: no , that can only happen on places where people actually have a lot of wealth
nOgAnOo: The 7000 bitcoin is right next to the 1 bitcoin
Bugpowder: weird that its not filling at all really
Bugpowder: or the bots just are in wait in see mode
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.00000, Best ask: 32.01371, Bid-ask spread: 0.01371, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 121637.16767579, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58503
ThickAsThieves: Ukto, shoudlnt you be working on The Next Big Thing tm?
mod6: 32.06 was last on clark moody
Ukto: sounds like a big long distance bill
mod6: yeah some healthy sell volume.
Ukto: just give the bots an hour or two to resituate
gigavps: hey mircea_popescu, how come you didn't own any Gigamining when GLBSE close?
Ukto: I think I just saw a bomb get dropped
gigavps: mircea_popescu that would go against your giga.etf contract, would it not?
gigavps: why are you evading a direct question?
mircea_popescu: because it's a loaded question, and a poorly loaded one at that.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: did you not actually own giga shares to back it? x.x
Diablo-D3: yeah, but now the shares are worthless
mircea_popescu: he's running out of air with his various lies, so he's pulling a goat.
Diablo-D3: because giga is fucking investors around
gigavps: mircea_popescu, every person that own over 900 contracts has claimed and been paid
gigavps: so it would seem that your position is weakening
mircea_popescu: gigavps here's the thing : this sort of fake drama x months late won't save you from the fact that you've taken about 40k worth of investor's btc
Ukto: hmm, this is a pretty serious accusation
mod6: we've been over all this like 69x
mircea_popescu: not getting into the details of pushing pirate, pushing amazingrando, pushing all the other scams.
Ukto: alright, there is obviously only one easy way to settle this
mircea_popescu: so, find something better to do with your time. like, say, a way to pay back.
gigavps: mircea_popescu the ice you are standing on is cracking
Ukto: lets send an open email to james/nefario asking him to confirm MP's claim
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: guess what came out
Diablo-D3: they fixed basically every single thing I bitched about
mircea_popescu: Ukto nefario, the scammertagged chav from bitcointalk you mean ?
Diablo-D3: they switched to zepto.js for their js (although to be fair, none of their js was REQUIRED to be used, it was purely optional)
Ukto: heh yes, the person who has been giving out accurate information
Ukto: he has no reason to lie
mircea_popescu: Ukto i can dig up the logs for some accurate info he gave, if you're interested.
Ukto: hey, I am just trying to help
Ukto: i have never owned shares of giga/etf
Ukto: just dont like seeing false accusations fly.
Ukto: shouldnt be hard to get proof otherwise
gigavps: a word of waring to all, mircea_popescu doesn't live up to his own contracts
mircea_popescu: here's a start : nefario makes "conference". nobody goes, but hey.
mircea_popescu: Sep 16 01:13:36 <nefario> mircea_popescu: would you like me to mention you or mpex?
mircea_popescu: end result ? nefario explains the idiots present how much of a scam mpex is.
Ukto: eh.. honestly, nefario has made some shit decisions, we all agree with that
mircea_popescu: you've fucked over your investors, talking about my contracts ?
Ukto: but even ppl he has had disagreements with like Diablo-D3 has gotten accurate info
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:88727e3706f37e445789b628889e38b864a9257925711655a385f20f
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
Ukto: and honestly, i dont see what reason gigavps has to lie about it. other than just wanting to bully and pick on you to keep your shares?
Diablo-D3: Ukto: yeah, I think Im the only one that got that level of treatment
mircea_popescu: ;;rate gigavps -10 Defrauded direct investors of something like 40k BTC. Lied about pretty much everything, changed his contract. Also one of the main pirate ponzi supporters.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user gigavps has been recorded.
jborkl: Giga, did you even have the hash power to back up your dividend payout?? I seem to remember not
Ukto: all the other giga share holoders I know who claimed got theirs
mircea_popescu: Ukto at the very minimum trying to get this false theory accepted whereby people actually claimed.
kakobrekla: i dont see how giga doing smth potentially wrong could be related to mp doing smth potentially wrong
Ukto: heh, I just want to solve the issue before it become some crazy drama
mircea_popescu: and in general, scammers may get away with it cause i don't care
burnside: is giga's nick registered? how do you check that?
mircea_popescu: but if they start being uppity, they'll get bitchslapped.
Ukto: i think the biggest issue regardless
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03000, Best ask: 33.29995, Bid-ask spread: 0.26995, Last trade: 33.01234, 24 hour volume: 123154.64224059, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.59041
Ukto: because it comes down to your word vs GLBSE & Issuer's word
burnside: cool, just wanted to make sure it was the one true giga
mod6: que up the retaliation ratings
gribble: Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is not identified.
Ukto: not very reassuring :P
gribble: Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is identified as user gigavps, with GPG key id F83554D76ADE3A3F, key fingerprint C4D30ACE7ACB2C16BCE9FD55F83554D76ADE3A3F, and bitcoin address None
Ukto: i suppose that works :P
gribble: You rated user gigavps on Fri Aug 17 15:27:07 2012, giving him a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: Excellent trust.
mod6: well why would he want to deal with that nitwit anyway?
mod6: what would be the point?
mod6: bah. this is old news giga
jcpham: this drama seems rota-ish
Ukto: mircea_popescu: can you provide the btc address/email address used for glbse
Ukto: let nefario make the statement weather the shares existed or noit
Ukto: and then the etf holders can deal with nefario
jcpham: i pre de-nominamte myself
Diablo-D3: the passthrough owner is on the hook for it, not giga or nefari
Ukto: its an issue between MP and glbse
mircea_popescu: no. at this point it's an issue between some idiot who thinks he can deflect attention from his misdealings by starting shit with me and the world.
mircea_popescu: the time for this sort of putative implication was last year,
mod6: these scammers are like wack-a-mole
Ukto: mircea_popescu: so if mpex says I dont own shares of sdice, I sue Erik for my missing shares? >,>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: f.giga.etf held the underlying asset at time of glbse closing [ ] Yes [ ] No
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6889999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that said, i did not hold it directly, i never had a GLBSE acct.
mircea_popescu: that said, there's no doubt in my mind the proper qtys were actually beingheld for me.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: sure, but if mpex went away in an instant
Ukto: and I have a buy receipt
Ukto: and delete my sell receipt
Ukto: its now you word aginst mine
Ukto: no different than glbse
mircea_popescu: Ukto in principle there'd be at the very least a decoded db dump
mircea_popescu: but even if that's not the case : the trade history is public,
Ukto: are they constantly backed up offsite out of your control ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the catastrophic failure mode is for each issuer to get a gpg-encypted list of the holder's fingerprints. much like rg got on the delisting of s.bvps
Ukto: is that a question?
Ukto: seems more of a statement
grubles: he is asking if mircea_popescu owned the mircea_popescu account on glbse
mircea_popescu: i don't own a mircea_popescu account on icbit.se either, since we're talking
Ukto: so he did have them?
dub: its certainly not like mircea_popescu is known for employing lackeys for that kind fo thing
ThickAsThieves: maybe the person he had manage the account decided to make an account as his name?
mircea_popescu: maybe we'd best focus on how many people got separated from their residual btc because they didn't want to cough up for whatever apositlle bs
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grubles: so mircea_popescu on glbse was not the mircea_popescu that is chatting in this channel?
Ukto: well thats good at lesat
Ukto: as I said, bots just needed time to resituate after a selloff
mircea_popescu: maybe things are a lot more fragile than the bull run past week suggests
Bugpowder: it happened so fast, must have been
grubles: no one wants to answer my question? lol
mod6: little bit of profits are needed somewhere in the mix
mod6: then onwards and upwards
mod6: wake me up if it breaks past 27.5
mircea_popescu: hm, how accurate is blockchain.info when calcing the fees ?
burnside: If all of the shareholders with over 900 shares have claimed, it sounds like whomever claimed the 900 shares of MP's on behalf of MP owes the passthru shareholders some BTC?
burnside: Yeah, I was operating on the assumption that he was being honest when he answered the question of ownership.
burnside: heh, the twisted web we weave.
jurov: mircea_popescu did you claim you account after glbse closed?
jurov: of whoever was on mpex behalf
Lyspooner: When first we practice to deceive!
mircea_popescu: i didn't have an account to claim and i trust the op to not have claimed gigavps.
mircea_popescu: 1. very dubious character noteworthy mostly for being detained at the border takes exchange down, which nets him a scammer tag.
Ukto: you didnt have an account?
Ukto: so someone else claimed the shares on your behalf?
mircea_popescu: 2. some lists of shareholders are issued. these are wrong.
mircea_popescu: 3. some more lists are issued. these are right, they say.
mircea_popescu: by now it's been about 3-4 months, and all this communication happened over email in plain text.
mircea_popescu: it would not surprise me if any of the three were the case :
mircea_popescu: a. nefario waited to see what's nto claimed, released lists including himself as beneficiary.
mircea_popescu: c. gigavps is simply lieing (if nothing else for the simple interest that a 5 to 10% claim rate isn't something he'd like to admit)
Ukto: Sure, those are all reasonable
mircea_popescu: now, all these may be or may not be true, tho i lean towards thinking at least one probably is.
Ukto: I am curious now that you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: this state of affairs does NOT give some confused individual license to come in here and ask loaded questions implying i did something wrong.
Ukto: did you yourself not actually have a GLBSE account and hold 900 shares?
mircea_popescu: he is welcome to appologise to me at any time for being an idiot and involving himself in this mess,
mircea_popescu: just as he's welcome to appologise to other people for involving them in the other many messes he's created since his presence in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: but all this is not here nor there, and certainly has no point in our discussion.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]
grubles: he said he 'didnt have an account to claim'
mircea_popescu: Ukto i use brokers. i happen to think it's the correct way to do it.
grubles: so there mustve been an imposter on glbse with mircea_popescu 's name?
Ukto: but in your contract you didnt disclose that you held the shares via third party, right?
Ukto: MP is the OP for the etf asset, right?
Ukto: then that makes things simple
Ukto: can we get the third party to vrify your shares?
mircea_popescu: Ukto the problem is people work in bitcoin because they want to be anon.
mircea_popescu: for many people being involved in these things is professionally iffy
mircea_popescu: you can lose your license as a stock broker for instance.
mircea_popescu: is it likely ? no. is it a risk people would run ? hell no.
Ukto: so your saying, that you used a 3rd party to buy the shares, and this person cannot be revealed?
Ukto: and that this person is a licensed stock broker?
Ukto: wondering what the commentary is for then
Ukto: leaves the basic question again, can we hav this third party simply verify things?
Ukto: "Yes, I held 900 shares of giga for MP"
Ukto: well, the issuer is claiming the shares didnt exist
Ukto: sounds like a reason :P
mircea_popescu: once his cratered asset is worth something, the people holding it on mpex might be able to recover something
Ukto: i just think its sad that you wont clear your name if its that easy :(
Ukto: alot of ppl respect you
mircea_popescu: and if im the only one here, that's great, i don't care.
Ukto: and while they should continue to
Ukto: its still best to show good faith in that respect
mircea_popescu: but this is a forewarning of things to come : i don't care what people manouver,
mircea_popescu: i won't reveal jack shit as a matter of going concern.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to spy on people just by manufacturing some concern trollage.
Ukto: I was just trying to be helpfull and make sure you got a clear name and everyone knew that giga was wrong
Ukto: you obviously dont care
Ukto: back to business as usual then. :)
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mod6: Lyspooner == limerick king from zh?
mod6: that guy is hilarious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1485 @ 0.00637777 = 9.471 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know i just realised romanian YEARLY salary is like 100 btc
Lyspooner: romanian median yearly BTC salary is zero
Lyspooner: "what happens to bitcoin if the internet stops working?"... apparently if we look at romania where there still is no internet, there is at least one node, and that node becomes very wealthy
mjr_: AAPL Shall rise again!
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner literally the stuff involved in bitcoin could be done pen on paper
mircea_popescu: it'd take an army of slaves doing it, but it'd be done just fine.
mjr_: mircea_popescu that is true
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu: i just wanted to make fun of romania
mircea_popescu: dude i love blogging. there's all these people making comments.
mircea_popescu: TIL that most ycombinator ventures use godaddy as a registrar.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you just closed -eu 1 min too soon
kakobrekla: 22:34.06 .•• mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) left #bitcoin-otc-eu ( "Leaving" )
kakobrekla: 22:37.07 .•• allex ( bd6eb8e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.110.184.231 ) joined #bitcoin-otc-eu
kakobrekla: 22:37.43 ( allex ) I need some traders to join my p2p bitcoin exchange site
kakobrekla: 22:38.01 ( allex ) the name of the site is
kakobrekla: 22:39.39 ( kakobrekla ) what scam is this now
kakobrekla: 22:41.15 ( allex ) there is no midle man (as it were) involved. Only p2p
kakobrekla: 22:43.47 ( kakobrekla ) how is it better than irc and -otc wot allex
mjr_: i have to say that godaddy's superbowl commercial and subsequent ad campaign was probably the most successful campaign of any internet company
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well... wait till he finds about localbitcoins or w/e its called
mjr_: but still, why does everyone use them, when it is known that they suck
mircea_popescu: and imo they're so far ahead of anyone in their field it's rare.
kakobrekla: 22:44.14 ( allex ) The idea is to build a comunity of trders
kakobrekla: 22:44.23 ( allex ) once again only P2P
kakobrekla: 22:45.02 ( allex ) by rating the trades
kakobrekla: 22:45.32 ( allex ) the focus is on exchange of bitcoins only nothing else
kakobrekla: 22:46.13 ( allex ) There is groups os paypal, nettler , poker , cash , western union
kakobrekla: prolly built the site firt then come to -ot
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see how lucky you are he's enlightening you ?
kakobrekla: im le tierd from those kind of conversations.
mircea_popescu: im lucky. i think i have a reputation for an asshole, so most fragile minds avoid me or something.
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dub: did people get the right asicminer test payment?
dub: they seem to have missed a 0 of mine