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Duffer1: when uncle sam is paying there's always some asshole chargint them double
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mike_c yes.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld about what you mean ?
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nubbins`: hi
Namworld: Buffett's comments on the topic
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truffles: any challengers?
Namworld: challengers?
truffles: chess
Namworld: I still want to complete that chess tournament
Namworld: I did the first game with BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well, you v truffles
truffles: doesnt have to be in tourny
Namworld: Well there's a tournament
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
Namworld: Ok, if you play against 2 other players too in the tournament
truffles: boingo if u hit "go live" at chess.com it lets timer
BingoBoingo: lats timer?
mircea_popescu: Namworld well now i don't know, i read the stuff in a paper book a while ago. lettuce see
Namworld: ah, paper book. Too bad.
truffles: ya, like 5 min, 10 etc
Namworld: We can play live right here in this channel
Namworld: Just announce moves. Any board can do.
truffles: who goes 1st
Namworld: gribble can toss a coin
nubbins`: ^^^
Namworld: Choose side
nubbins`: ;;flip
gribble: Error: "flip" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: i mean
nubbins`: ;;coin
truffles: heads
gribble: tails
truffles: boo
nubbins`: heh
Namworld: Choose sidenubbins doesn't count
nubbins`: ;D
truffles: heads
nubbins`: <--interloper
Namworld: ;;coin
gribble: tails
truffles: dam coin!
nubbins`: sometimes i suspect ;;coin is just ;;echo tails
Duffer1: coin hates you bro
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: heads
Namworld: You get to choose the side you want
truffles: srsly
nubbins`: so i sold a 0.5btc casascius coin for 6btc earlier today
Namworld: Erhm I mean I get to
truffles: me?
truffles: go
Namworld: I take blacks
Namworld: You start your move
Duffer1: grats nubbs
Namworld: I use this: http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/pgn-editor.php
Namworld: Make some nice gifs of the games
nubbins`: thanks, feels good. first one i've sold in a few months
truffles: e4
nubbins`: first of that type, anyway
truffles: so uh i hope there isnt intermission in this
Namworld: e5
nubbins`: you know what they say about hope
nubbins`: ;;google you know what they say about hope
gribble: You know what they say about hope. It breeds eternal ... - Goodreads: <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/409872-you-know-what-they-say-about-hope-it-breeds-eternal>; Quote by Sara Shepard: You know what they say about hope. It ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/315904-you-know-what-they-say-about-hope-it-breeds-eternal>; Pretty Little Liars - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
truffles: Bb5
nubbins`: so close, just a word short
truffles: this pace is a bit..
truffles: slow
KRS1: wut
Namworld: a6
truffles: im sick n tired of these slow movers
Namworld: I'll try to speed up
truffles: a4
Namworld: axb5?
dub: #bitcoin-assets-chessnerds?
truffles: u said a6?
nubbins`: jeez, don't be so demanding
truffles: so im on a4
nubbins`: glad i didn't play with you ;(
truffles: cant take my bishop yet?
truffles: oh i shouldve typed Ba4?
BingoBoingo: truff, yeah anything but a pawn needs further specification
Namworld: Yeh moved your bishop, Bb5. Do you even have a board in front of you?
nubbins`: heh.
truffles: so what is the ruling on that
nubbins`: the ruling is that you guys roll back a few moves and get your shit together
nubbins`: also
nubbins`: whoever is white should be numbering their moves
Namworld: Start again with http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/pgn-editor.php to track moves
nubbins`: e.g.: 1. e4
Namworld: The moves will be accurate and the same for each
truffles: sigh
nubbins`: 2. Bb5, etc
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nubbins`: makes it a lot less confusing
truffles: typing things by hand so
truffles: begin again?
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Namworld: Let's register on caissa and play live chess
truffles: :D
truffles: no chess.com acct?
Namworld: No. Do they provide replays of games?
BingoBoingo: Namworld chess.com lets you download pgn's so yeah
truffles: Boingo provided pastebin of our last game so?
Namworld: BingoBoingo already played you?
truffles: ya 1-2
truffles: r u registering or ?
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Namworld: I'm registering on chess.com
truffles: yay
Namworld: How do we play against each other now?
truffles: invite by alias or email
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truffles: Namworld still thinks this chess.com game will be valid :D
BingoBoingo: truffles well, it would be if you post some PGN
truffles: i c
BingoBoingo: I believe as long as there is someting verifiable it should be good.
truffles: gonna try not to make noob mistake for future challengers
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Apocalyptic: who's got a chess.com account ?
truffles: every1
Apocalyptic: i feel like playing chess tonight
truffles: wanna play timed ?
truffles: obv not this moment
Apocalyptic: yeah, let me remember my password first
truffles: either namworld is thinking or disconnected :(
Apocalyptic: timed != live ?
truffles: well u have to go to live chess to get the timers
Apocalyptic: what's your nick truffles ?
truffles: id like 10min, no increment
truffles: trufss
Apocalyptic: seems good
truffles: might as well since he's not here
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Apocalyptic: Albania really ?
truffles: lol
truffles: u sent invite?
truffles: havent figured out this yet
dub: elbownia
Apocalyptic: yep
Apocalyptic: hum I actually have some decent ratings there
truffles: how do u add time to it
Apocalyptic: go to live chess
truffles: ya i always get randoms!
Apocalyptic: you should see me on the friend tab
truffles: nope, u start it
Apocalyptic: http://live.chess.com/
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Apocalyptic: I could if you were there
truffles: refresh
truffles: ok
truffles: dangit!
truffles: u missed that 1 :D
Apocalyptic: blunder :)
truffles: no2
Namworld: I'm back truffles, sorry
truffles: 2 mins
decimation: Buffet is a famous dividend hater. Partially because of dividend tax treatment in the US, and partially because he believes in reinvesting in the company or buying back shares.
decimation: Most fiat companies use buybacks to pump up the stock price as ceo's sell their own shares
Apocalyptic: ^
Apocalyptic: dat fork truffles
truffles: ugh
Apocalyptic: heh, good game
truffles: rematch soon
Apocalyptic: now what did I miss ?
Apocalyptic: <truffles> dangit!
Apocalyptic: <truffles> u missed that 1 :D
truffles: queen x knight
Apocalyptic: what move # ?
truffles: around 10
Apocalyptic: oh 9.
Apocalyptic: yeah... I was blind
Apocalyptic: anyway since I took the knight i just had to trade to ensure a clear win
truffles: sigh i forgot what i was doing with namworld now lol
Apocalyptic: is he any good ?
Apocalyptic: oh no I see
truffles: dunno yea
Apocalyptic: it was a bait truffles
truffles: yet
truffles: shhh
Apocalyptic: if I took the night you would win my queen
Apocalyptic: after Re1 my queen would have been pinned
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truffles: u think so?
Apocalyptic: i'm certain
Apocalyptic: see for yourself, but it's a typical tactic called pin
truffles: uh huh
Apocalyptic: my queen cannot move before it would expose my king to direct check from your rook
truffles: not visualizing that game
Apocalyptic: my only sane move is to take the rook, and I lose the queen at the next move
Apocalyptic: i'm talking about our game
truffles: im in a bad position already with namworld!
Apocalyptic: Namworld, what's your chess.com nick ?
truffles: click my name u can see the match
Apocalyptic: that's the thing, i can't
Apocalyptic: since it's not a live one
Apocalyptic: Namworld is taking ages...
truffles: standard
Apocalyptic: i recreated a game
mircea_popescu: .d
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.532 BTC [+]
truffles: gg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 531 @ 0.001 = 0.531 BTC [+]
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Namworld: I have conceded
Namworld: I've played awfully
Namworld: I shall be away for a while
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decimation: Assuming btc continues to become more valuable at its current rate, what capital activity will return more future value than simply holding Bitcoin?
decimation: This seems to be the central question of bitcoin finance.
Apocalyptic: indeed decimation
Duffer1: gambling and drugs
decimation: well, mining and gambling in bitcoin come to mind
Apocalyptic: and so far i think it's holding bitcoin that is most profitable
decimation: as in, mining bitcoin
Duffer1: mining isn't profitable
decimation: Well, it depends on your assumptions
Duffer1: maybe if you owned stock in the manufacturer you'd do well
decimation: If btc surprises to the upside again, then mining might be retrospectively valuable
decimation: only if the manufacturer's stock were denominated in bitcoin
Duffer1: but not as valuable as just buying btc and holding for that same perior
Duffer1: period
decimation: that's likely the case, I agree.
nubbins`: having a brutal time installing ubuntu on this netbook
decimation: If you can purchase a miner in bitcoin though, that counts as a bitcoin investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
decimation: if you don't wish to buy with fiat for whatever reason
nubbins`: technically purchasing a miner with btc is a bitcoin divestment
decimation: true
nubbins`: not only technically but practically, too
decimation: it's really a bet that the difficulty won't go up as much as everyone hopes/fears in the future
decimation: a long bet
Duffer1: btc -> fiat -> vps mine shitaltcoin#1361235 -> dump on sucker on craptsy = more btc than you started with
decimation: heh
decimation: well scams are always profitable
decimation: as long as you can find a greater fool
truffles: http://pastebin.com/embed_iframe.php?i=q9vr8LT4 the match
nubbins`: risk being that you're the greatest fool
decimation: indeed
nubbins`: someone's going to be left holding millions of dogecoin
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decimation: buying altcoin is like investing in silver
decimation: anyone with common sense knows it's going to crash and burn
Duffer1: hehehe
BingoBoingo: Well yeah, digging new silver is relatively cheap
decimation: but you might convince a greater fool to buy your silver and make a profit
decimation: right that's my point
Duffer1: titanium ftw
Duffer1: ^ not real advice
nubbins`: cim/cif ftw
nubbins`: ^ real advice
mircea_popescu: speaking of the entire silver thing, what happened to pietilla, goat and usagi ?
mircea_popescu: the three silversketeers
BingoBoingo: First two still seem to be on the forum... who knows about Usagi anymore.
Duffer1: afaik goat's still working on his silver ltc project
nubbins`: goat changed his name on the forums
nubbins`: it's now uh, one sec
nubbins`: "[Default Trust] is Tyrannically Centralized! (goat)"
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Dunno what people are up in arms about. Default Trust is just a user account on the forums that can be given negative trust
nubbins`: Duffer1: i've got some lovely certificates designed for those
Duffer1: oh cool i didn't know you were involved
nubbins`: nah, default trust is a list of people that, by default, all new users "trust"
nubbins`: i.e. their feedback appears in the "trusted feedback" section of a user's trust page
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, they still implement the list by making it a user account and it can be given negative feeback just like any other.
nubbins`: ah, interesting
nubbins`: anyway, huge uproar about it all
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: See here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122551
nubbins`: pretty silly idea
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, huge uproar in the sense that scammors are really butthurt there's some stuff they can't readily manipulate.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416304.0
ozbot: Anyone still waiting for an Avalon Batch 3 refund?
nubbins`: heh, ;(
nubbins`: this image popped up in one of the old avalon threads, i lel'd heavily
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/gNguKJd.jpg
mircea_popescu: the thick plot that keeps thickening
BingoBoingo: So all of Yifu's Avalon coins would get flagged dirty in his coinvalidator anyways
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Hi I am a 25 years old Italian boy. I entered the bitcoin about one year ago, so I am not so noob even if not expert."
nubbins`: i entered the bitcoin
nubbins`: it protested some, but it's a man's world
jborkl: I blew a 1 and a 0 as I enteredbit
mircea_popescu: entered the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i think ima use this line
nubbins`: when did you enter the bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: "baby spread wide, i'ma enter your bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: your thebitcoin
nubbins`: he entered the bitcoin forcefully and without mercy
asciilifeform: anybody wonder how many people purchase miners just to launder coin?
Duffer1: interesting idea
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well Good ole Trendon did that
asciilifeform: miner shits out the cleanest possible coin, so in principle if one's coin is 'dirty' enough, a miner might seem like a good investment.
nubbins`: 50 cents on the dollar if you're lucky
asciilifeform: a penny to the dollar is still better than the gasenwagen.
nubbins`: true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is what "the community" didn't belive pirate's hash exchange was for.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What you do is start a pool and pay out better than the other pools
truffles: nubbins ure next
truffles: ?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No need to own the hardware yourself.
decimation: what if mining guilds are doing this today?
asciilifeform: as i understand, not too many people are presently concerned with dirt
asciilifeform: other than the authors of the few most egregious heists
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: does anyone give a damn about coin history in those famous bars where people trade suitcases of benjamins for btc?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413241.msg4506680#msg4506680 << more best friends for pankkake
ozbot: IcyHash Pool/Spork985 refusing to produce or explain multiple missing coins
mircea_popescu: "o you sent fiddy altcoins extra ? allow me to edit all the previous scamscreams!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all coins are and will remain equal. this is the concept known as fungibility.
Duffer1: wtf is a clockcoin?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yes.
decimation: is there a pool that publishes its accounting?
mircea_popescu: "It sounds like you need a few slaps in the face to get in touch with society."
asciilifeform: fungibility in this case is an ideal, not the actual reality on the ground (atoms of Au are fungible, btc aren't - at least, as presently implemented)
mircea_popescu: decimation p2pool used to i think ?
nubbins`: the bars i frequent are not the sort of places where one would bring a suitcase full of benjamins
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoins are more fungible than gold ever was, in practice.
nubbins`: maybe i'm frequenting the wrong bars ;(
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mircea_popescu: all those series on bars and so forth, they're kinda there to limit fungibility
asciilifeform: i always thought it was a practical measure, to let people skimp on assaying
mircea_popescu: this actually works as an argument. bitcoin needs no assaying, which makes it more fungible than something that does.
asciilifeform: this much is true
asciilifeform: but btc, unlike atoms of Au, has a public history, a fact that users ignore at their peril
decimation: if it's discovered that your wallet directly traded with a known thief's wallet - you might have problems one day
BingoBoingo: Well, if your gold was exposed to neutron radiation it may endanger your health one day
asciilifeform: 'the magic gold glowed blue in the water.'
mircea_popescu: explain this "you might have problems one day"
mircea_popescu: if you spend time in a smoky room "you might have problems one day"
asciilifeform: Der Ring des Nibelungen
asciilifeform: (re: magic gold)
kakobrekla: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-14/wells-fargo-americas-largest-bank-market-cap-pushing-offer-bitcoin-services
ozbot: Wells Fargo, America's Largest Bank By Market Cap, Pushing To Offer Bitcoin Services | Zero Hedge
nubbins`: hm
mircea_popescu: for that matter, discovering that your wallet directly traded with anyone is an exercise in impossibility.
asciilifeform: this concern is more in line with 'spend enough time in a smoky enough room, and you'll choke'
mircea_popescu: i tell you i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: run me through a scenario where you actually identify such a "direct trade"
asciilifeform: well, the trivial case:
nubbins`: feds sieze wallet of Derp Pirate Roy
nubbins`: last tx was 10k bitcoin to 1blahblah
asciilifeform: 1) 0day 2) clean out 'mtgox' or the like 3) same coin is deposited in exchange acct. with truename next day 4) gasenwagen
nubbins`: google search turns up whatever
mircea_popescu: so what if google search turns up whatever ? i can make google show up a shaved baboon when you google for nubbins
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Duffer1: do it
asciilifeform: man with at least the brain of a slug would attempt to clean the booty somehow
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: that would be fun
nubbins`: anyway, merge my thought with alf's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go through this. mtgox wallet is emptied to address A.
mircea_popescu: address A sends back to mtgox for credit ? the same bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: well, let's have it be spent at 'coin bullion' (?) or the like.
nubbins`: let's buy trilema credits with it
asciilifeform: or buy a shipping container of whatever strange.
mircea_popescu: and so i have to judge this situation where you say coinbullion googled your name and used it to cover their theft
mircea_popescu: and coinbullion claims you're a haxxor ?
mircea_popescu: i'm throwing it out, it can't be resolved.
asciilifeform: traditional court might throw out the accusation. but courts are not the only mechanism for Having Problems.
asciilifeform: the fellow who got pwned might have his own ideas about justice
mircea_popescu: in which case we're back to your problems being widely abusable power, which is not a bitcoin thing.
mircea_popescu: you could get fucked by some guy who thinks he saw you fucking his wife.
mircea_popescu: or whatever.
asciilifeform: it is entirely true, and a good point, that the blockchain can be used by a skilled conniver to point blame at some random third party.
BingoBoingo: This sounds like the sort of case where BitBet could replace the court as a solution and to the laundering. Step one. Take positions on a Difficulty bet paying out to addresses with publicized different owners as well as addresses with unknown owners.
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's no good reason to presume this is not happening at any point, nor particularly easy or even possible to prove so.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin payments happen at order, without acceptance.
decimation: what if one were to use a deterministic wallet address derived from retina features for instance
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall the loot from various famous heists sitting quietly, never spent
asciilifeform: why would that be?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: most btc sits quietly, never spent.
BingoBoingo: decimation: That seems like a wallet I wouldn't want to use.
mircea_popescu: it's what it likes to do. fiat runs and bitcoin rests.
mircea_popescu: decimation even so, once an address is out it is public.
asciilifeform: decimation: the problem with biometric-anything is that you shout your 'password' every time you touch something (or, in this case, look in an eyehole)
mircea_popescu: well... for a pulse anyway
decimation: indeed, it would be idiotic. But it would be difficult to deny that it's not your wallet
mircea_popescu: but it would be stil lequally easy to deny that it's your transaction.
decimation: true
mircea_popescu: i can send you a bitcoin whether you wish to accept it or not, and whether you know or not
asciilifeform: it's yours and the first person who sets you up to look through an eyehole.
mircea_popescu: this was the nail that sunk the rota, practically.
mircea_popescu: as citizen-judges didn't quite grok the abyss.
asciilifeform: i recall some joker sent out a mountain of coin, a few satoshi at a time, to see where it gets consolidated
nubbins`: asciilifeform: that's still happening
nubbins`: one sec
nubbins`: https://blockchain.info/address/1FFirnLctcZxVx5otnLNZ4dDGUkMBM4vNr
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1FFirnLctcZxVx5otnLNZ4dDGUkMBM4vNr
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318830.0 this is the funniest shit ever
ozbot: Cease and Desist Letter to ASICSRUS
nubbins`: well, not sure of the motivation
nubbins`: but ~37btc dished out so far
nubbins`: in 0.001btc increments
asciilifeform: there's another answer to this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00084042 = 4.034 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (other than 'consolidation bait')
mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html?hp&_r=0
asciilifeform: data storage!
mircea_popescu: more from the "nsa killed my auntie" club
nubbins`: data storage?
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: the addrs encode bits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.001 = 0.332 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: these may well be commands for a chumpnet.
benkay: why not push coins across mpex?
nubbins`: maybe. a few of the sends ended up on casascius rounds
asciilifeform: the addrs are probably plucked out of the blockchain at random.
asciilifeform: but with a useful pattern
nubbins`: nod, search for funded addresses
mircea_popescu: wouldn't the addrs actually be used as payload then ?
asciilifeform: say, lower 8 bits encode payload fragment.
mircea_popescu: why not use the whole thing ?
asciilifeform: because then the tx can be flagged as weird
asciilifeform: and, say, blockchain.info might decide to hide it
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: how did you figure that ?
asciilifeform: who wouldn't love to see the server log for https://blockchain.info/address/1HrMpG9JZ71gzXHPdyo2dwcExhKRGtBjQg# ?
mircea_popescu: obviously you use a valid address
mircea_popescu: that's not much restriction.
asciilifeform: the tx needs to be algorithmically indistinguishable from a 'civilian' tx
asciilifeform: ideally the valid addr belongs to someone else
mircea_popescu: yes, which only means it has the checksum and starts with 1
asciilifeform: someone with a perfectly 'organic' usage pattern.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, new addresses get used all the time
mircea_popescu: there's no benefit in using some "organic" address. nor does this actually exist.
asciilifeform: sure. but the idea is, let's say AV firm goes to blockchain.info and says
asciilifeform: 'don't show these. this is a chumpnet artist'
asciilifeform: what's the best way to make them say 'goto hell' ?
mircea_popescu: it can say whatever the hell it wants. every time you make a payment a fraction is sent to a wholly new address
asciilifeform: answer: use civilian addrs.
mircea_popescu: completely indistinguishable from any address this guy'd make
asciilifeform: this is also a handy way to store bits in the chain that will never, under any conceivable scheme, get 'pruned.'
mircea_popescu: old txn past the checkpoint may get pruned eventually.
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, the receiver for these broadcasts doesn't implement a full node
mircea_popescu: you know how checkpoints work ?
asciilifeform: it almost certainly fetches from blockchain.info or the like.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 206 @ 0.001 = 0.206 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: yes, i know about checkpoint; hence the need to rebroadcast periodically.
asciilifeform: this is just one possible explanation, of course
asciilifeform: far more likely is the traditional hypothesis (bait), or a simple laundry.
nubbins`: silly laundry sending coins to other people's addresses
KRS1: .bait
asciilifeform: like the proverbial kid who sneaks into the school computer to change grades
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82tlgsiWG1qdoxp5o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: he damn well knows he needs to change many, not only his own
nubbins`: fair
decimation: heh. If someone were to steal all the btc from mtgox and distribute them to the last 1,000 addresses that mined at least one block would be considered a hero
asciilifeform: 'robin hood' is good fun so long as you're on the correct end of him, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00084075 = 22.448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the moral here is that willy-nilly bitcoin will bring about deep and far reaching changes in human society, culture and mentality.
mircea_popescu: what property means and what remedies for theft are will change.
asciilifeform: 'the cold equations.'
mircea_popescu: much in the way what tax means and what taxation entails will change,
decimation: indeed
mircea_popescu: much in the way what law and the courts are will change and so on
decimation: how can a government promise to pay more bitcoin than exists for instance?
asciilifeform: seems almost certain that the days in which you needed to corner somebody in the flesh to collect a tax, will come back.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's a subset of "how can public companies be worth more than 20mn btc. they can."
decimation: true
mircea_popescu: just as long as the promise isn't to pay in specie and in one go, it still can stand.
decimation: but the lack of an implicit printing press will surely encourage the investors to be more skeptical
decimation: implicit promise to bailout I mean
mircea_popescu: even in practice, in the 1800s multiple governments owed more gold than was actually available in the world at the time
decimation: well that didn't work out well for germany
mircea_popescu: this didn't always and didn't necessarily result in a default
decimation: or the UK
mircea_popescu: tho it oft resulted in wars
asciilifeform: wouldn't that be more like owing 'MAX_INT' gold?
nubbins`: decimation: germany is doing just fine ;p
decimation: well, it also caused the US to abandon gold
asciilifeform: sort of how the average american owes MAX_INT dollars to somebody or other.
decimation: although it was mostly fiction anyway at that point
mircea_popescu: that wasn't in the 1800s
decimation: yeah I'm thinking WWI
mircea_popescu: in the 1800s the us was a bit player, fighting with mexico over the silver export to china
mircea_popescu: sort of like today's ukraine or what have you.
nubbins`: old women holding mirrors up to riot police
decimation: indeed, lincoln started the fiat craze to fund his religious war
mircea_popescu: o, you figure cause southerners weren't protestant enough ?
mircea_popescu: or not the proper type of dour ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Southerners weren't poor enough
asciilifeform: decimation: there was precedent. plenty of u.s. localities had local crackpot fiats
decimation: yeah, banking back then was pretty much like trusting bitcointalk scammers with your money
asciilifeform: where banking today is a little more like trusting mtgox with it
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_dollar
ozbot: Newfoundland dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: fun fact, my grandmother was born a british citizen, never left her hometown, and died a canadian citizen
KRS1: When can I start trading pokemon and magic: the gathering on MtGox
decimation: ascii - solzhenitzyn said that they were meat wagons (in the end of The First Circle)
decimation: gasenwagon must come from East Germany or something
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's nothing, plenty of old women around the balkans shed 5-6-7 nationalities
nubbins`: ha, too true
nubbins`: nationalities that still exist tho?
asciilifeform: gasenwagen - russian corruption of 'gaswagen' - in actuality, merely a truck powered by coal gas (wood stove bolted on the back, pumps out CO, which you can just barely run an engine on.)
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: these trucks are often confused, by amateur historians, for the famous mobile gassers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sort-of, not rly
mircea_popescu: austro hungarian, yugoslavian etc
nubbins`: ah, nod
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670A,_Berlin,_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg
mircea_popescu: as there's only 20 years between the two wars, and plenty of locales changed hands multiple times... it happens.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084107 = 10.0928 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: anyway, to mp's original point about change, I think there is a fundamental truth about human nature. Humans require suffering to calibrate their joy
asciilifeform: i'm told there are a few in finland that still work. perhaps reptilia owns one
mircea_popescu: dude this guy... is he courting me personally ?
nubbins`: the referendum to join canada was passed with a scant 52% voting yes
mircea_popescu: first with the lincoln, now with the spankings...
decimation: no, what I mean is that the fiat regime allows the delusion of infinite wealth
decimation: humanity gets dumb, fat, lazy
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah well, i've been saying this to everyone's exhaustion for the past coupla years or w/e.
mircea_popescu: we just agree too much.
decimation: heh
Duffer1: forced participation in welfare systems does not equal lethargy
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 but what's forced mean ?
Duffer1: unable to sustain without
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 364 @ 0.001 = 0.364 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's not forced, that's mere convenience.
Duffer1: it's survival
mircea_popescu: well that it may be, sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: problem with this approach is that if you follow it you'll end up filing rape charges against the only woman that'd have you
mircea_popescu: because clearly she forced you through your lack of other options.
Duffer1: :P
decimation: for instance, the gasenwagen picture supplied by ascii. It's amazing to me that someone with the mechanical competence to assemble such a contraption would be unable to buy a few gallons of fuel
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: decimation there's no requirement that fuel availability and mechanical complexity relate in any particular proportion.
mircea_popescu: most populations were unable to acquire a few pounds of iron,
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding their astounding other accomplishments,
mircea_popescu: and so got trampled underfoot by those with better meteoric exposure.
mircea_popescu: hence the famous "the iron! oh my god the iron!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'tiger' tank is even more complex.
asciilifeform: what of it.
decimation: well, like bitcoin, the Werhmacht's fuel supply was theirs to lose
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u5cyYHuw1rr6uq1o1_500.jpg
KRS1: uh heh
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: hm, trying to run ubuntu from usb, gets as far as "Stopping enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices [OK]" and stops
nubbins`: tty1-6 offer command prompts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00084042 = 10.9675 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Which version on ubuntu?
nubbins`: 13.10
BingoBoingo: The newer ones look for weird BIOS/UFCI stuff try 12.04 you can upgrade from there if necessary. The new installers suck with older mobile hardware though
nubbins`: yeah, tried 12.04 as well, didn't have much luck there either
nubbins`: this is a brand new netbook, i suspect display driver issues
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
nubbins`: bit outta my element here, been a while since i've had to dick around like this
BingoBoingo: You play with BIOS or whatever the fuck they call it now settings?
nubbins`: yeah, disabled secureboot, disabled uefi
nubbins`: etc
nubbins`: managed to boot into a liveusb install ONCE, have been unable to replicate this feat
nubbins`: occasionally it halts at a different step -- like right now, at "Stopping log initial device creation [OK]"
nubbins`: but like i say, tty1-6 available and responsive
nubbins`: just no gui
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27624 @ 0.00084042 = 23.2158 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Do you have a model number and such info?
nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020. google search doesn't turn up much.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 241 @ 0.001 = 0.241 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i don't even get this far unless i add "nomodeset" to startup params. without that, the screen just turns off after a point
nubbins`: (not black, but off)
BingoBoingo: I'll do some looking up of things
nubbins`: thanks, almost at the end of my rope, but i can't let my poor mother use windows 8
nubbins`: the black screen thing seems fairly common
asciilifeform: what machine exactly?
nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020
nubbins`: 10-e020ca i guess, but i think that the "ca" just indicates country
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 140 @ 0.001 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ah, okay, managed to get to the ubuntu desktop again
nubbins`: after once again disabling secureboot
nubbins`: house of cards ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 863 @ 0.002897 = 2.5001 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00083987 = 11.3088 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Vexual> b&w
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00083941 = 19.852 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.0008414 = 21.5651 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00084142 = 24.7319 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12137 @ 0.00083937 = 10.1874 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00083927 = 6.4624 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00084152 = 27.5177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00084152 = 17.4615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 212 @ 0.001 = 0.212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4137 @ 0.0029 = 11.9973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.00084062 = 30.9768 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 800 @ 0.001 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00084161 = 18.5154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02499999 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02694686 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02694687 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999996 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00337476 = 0.675 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 672 @ 0.001 = 0.672 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00083913 = 9.2304 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00084183 = 18.3098 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1628 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.1951% in 9d 13h 58m 51s
pankkake: http://cointerra.com/engineering-updates-terraminer-iv-hashing-live/
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307042.msg4524561#msg4524561 lol
ozbot: [PicoStocks] CoinTerra [coint]
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
mircea_popescu: ahaha more of the "making roi hand over fist"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.03978518 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03978667 = 0.3979 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.0029 = 0.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.79989995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03979999 = 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 106 @ 0.025 = 2.65 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000842 = 12.5037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24356 @ 0.00084034 = 20.4673 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/
ozbot: A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00289365 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3}
truffles: blogging is "important" nowadays huh :D
mircea_popescu: definitely.
KRS1: i used to think otherwise
truffles: what has caused the change of view?
KRS1: lol schmucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 347 @ 0.0422545 = 14.6623 BTC [+] {23}
truffles: ?
KRS1: for me, personally, it has been the realization that people need more meat and potatoes so to speak than just a flashy website that just gets the point across..it provides a substantial base of information that compliments and validates your site or your image.
mircea_popescu: definitely.
truffles: 0.0
VanCleef: its pretty homoerotic tho
VanCleef: twitter is more important than a blog
KRS1: In many cases it gives the visitor a doggie bag or a sample of knowledge or data that they may be able to use. Sometimes closing the deal on sales or further investment of your idea or product.
KRS1: I see twitter as a different type of tool than a blog, not more or less important.
truffles: u think ppl have time to read wall of text
truffles: have time = want
KRS1: They make time to read what they are looking for, as long as its delivered to them in a way they can digest it, I suppose. For instance, I read the Wall St. Journal primarily for the Marktplace section. I get and enjoy information from other parts as a side benefit.
truffles: ure a nerd though
KRS1: But I go hard, I drink with friends in bars, strip clubs and I enjoy street and drag racing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6091 @ 0.001 = 6.091 BTC [+]
KRS1: Whats it matter
truffles: just trying to say u put in more effort than most ppl prob
KRS1: maybe..but idk today is a new day and age..ppl suprise me from time to time.
truffles: sure
KRS1: its going to be cold here in south florida next few days..might see 30 degrees, highs of only 60's 70 degrees. brrr..
truffles: oh thats sooo cold
mircea_popescu: truffles what's with this arrogand, offensive anti-intellectualism ?
mircea_popescu: people enjoy reading, because people enjoy not being americans every chance they get.
truffles: im anti intellectual?
mircea_popescu: course there are those less fortunate who rarely get such a chance, but you're basically arguing that they should be opressed moar just to keep it up.
truffles: not arguing in either direction, its called observation
mircea_popescu: you're also a weasel, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: didn't you just call the guy a nerd for not being as stupid as you'd like people to be generally ?
mircea_popescu: he's not a nerd, you're scum, that's all.
twizt: lol
truffles: i just roll my eyes
truffles: so over the top trying to be right?
mircea_popescu: read a book instead. same effort, moar results.
truffles: id like to know what definition ure using for weasel and scum
KRS1: =/
mircea_popescu: weasel is someone who behaves arrogantly and offensively anti-thinking, and when they have it pointed out to them they claim they were "just observing", in your case.
mircea_popescu: more generally, any passive-aggressive behaviour fits under weasel.
mircea_popescu: and scum is one who thinks that the solution to their own stupidity and laziness is enticing, encouraging and if need be forcing everyone else to be equally lazy and stupid.
truffles: how was i being arrogant in this case
mircea_popescu: <truffles> just trying to say u put in more effort than most ppl prob << how do you distinguish this from "niggers are just born with less smarts" ?
mircea_popescu: they're the same substance, "let's presume inferiority abroad"
mircea_popescu: such presumption is the core of arrogance.
truffles: anyone could be a nerd
mircea_popescu: no. anyone could be you.
mircea_popescu: being what you call a nerd takes some sweat.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, any fuckwit can "roll their eyes" pointlessly. actually reading a book takes some effort.
truffles: arguing with u would take effort
truffles: id have to painstakingly present the idea
truffles: and i cant be arsed
mircea_popescu: it does also save you from making a fool of yourself thinking hemingway invented donne, but that's i suppose a minor point, especially if you are careful to live among people who won't laugh to your face for it.
truffles: sigh
mircea_popescu: see ? now that's scum :)
truffles: one doesnt have to use big words but if ure constantly using profanity to exert an opinion its kinda hopeless
mircea_popescu: you may wish to check the definition of profanity.
mircea_popescu: if that's not too much effort for you today.
truffles: haha
truffles: let me use "insults" then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00083792 = 8.6306 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's the truthfulness defense. something's not an insult just because you don't like hearing it.
truffles: now ur opinions are truths umk
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, calling things you don't like to hear opinions doesn't much change the reality of them.
mircea_popescu: stuff that lays on the bottom of still water, rolling its eyes and not putting any effort is scum, that's what it is, look it up.
truffles: list the facts with evidence
mircea_popescu: i have little contribution in all of that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00289379 = 0.2315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32307 @ 0.00084059 = 27.1569 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1615 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.8087% in 9d 13h 16m 35s
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 280623 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 1616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2055670895.85 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.87102
mircea_popescu: ;;later mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00519903 = 0.1508 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00084426 = 21.8739 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://browsershots.org/screenshots/87688d1d7b2d311989c597ffa5845a8c see, that's what I mean. it's misalligned.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084532 = 8.7491 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.001 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15687 @ 0.00084585 = 13.2688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the table is aligned as designed. whether it's clear is another question. I went with showing the dividends in the month they were paid, which is generally the month after the profit was earned.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7752 @ 0.001 = 7.752 BTC [+]
jurov: mike_c: satoshi per share is off
jurov: also, information to how many shares was the dividend paid is very useful in this case
jurov: for example, i have to dig it up every month to distribute divs without rounding errors
mike_c: i believe satoshi per share is accurate. at least, it is the same as on mpex
jurov: nope. if mpex pays 19btc to 100bn shares, it shows as 1 satoshi per share
jurov: but in reality it paid 19 satoshi per every 10 shares
mike_c: hm. ok, thanks. i'll make it more accurate.
the20year: which stock is paying 19 satoshis?
mike_c: last s.mpoe dividend was 13 satoshi per share. but it has 1bn shares :)
mike_c: and to jurov's point, it was actually 13.65 satoshi per share
the20year: I was wanting to compare their div to ours
mike_c: 136 BTC in one month. probably bigger than yours.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21904 @ 0.00084591 = 18.5288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12642 @ 0.00084613 = 10.6968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0052 = 0.2496 BTC [+]
the20year: I don't think based on apy it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005199 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
mike_c: no. the stock price went up a lot last year, so the div. yield is pretty small.
the20year: That's all I was getting atr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 2000 @ 0.005 = 10 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00515 = 0.515 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: Is there a longer-term chart for it?
mike_c: as a matter of fact there is :) http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/
the20year: Thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0050215 = 0.2009 BTC [-]
Duffer1: morning #b-aa
the20year: So mircea owns what % of s.mpoe?
mike_c: 83.8%
the20year: k
the20year: so btcalpha only deals with mpex investments?
mike_c: btcalpha is mine, just launched recently. deals with things i find interesting in btc finance.
the20year: It's a very clean looking site
mike_c: thanks
the20year: I'd be interested in you adding HL
mike_c: not much i find interesting on havelock.
jurov: HL croaks by the time mike manages to do it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c oh i c. maybe make a note somewhere or who knows
mike_c: yeah, will do. it's not super clear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.06250001 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it'll get confusing as all hell because s.mpoe actually pays divs same month *most* months
mike_c: i didn't want to force it though. start arbitrarily applying divs to certain months. because like, what about when a div is paid wrong? do I "fix" it? it does need to be more clear.
mircea_popescu: you do have a point there.
mircea_popescu: there's value in this "theory / practice" approach anyway. for one thing mpex contracts even allow assets to skip a month entirely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5720 @ 0.001 = 5.72 BTC [+]
KRS1: I think its advantages like that those who scoff at the 30 btc seat on the exchange fail to learn.
KRS1: uh nvm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 439 @ 0.00483328 = 2.1218 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54000102 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1593 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.2044% in 9d 9h 0m 56s
kakobrekla: nothing on the no side
mircea_popescu: i guess it has to go to shit first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 962 @ 0.001 = 0.962 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008607 = 0.3443 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13582 @ 0.00084579 = 11.4875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00084571 = 27.105 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: wowie
mike_c: nice, great bet.
mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/718/satoshi-nakamoto-will-be-times-person-of-the/
ozbot: BitBet - Satoshi Nakamoto will be Time's Person of the Year 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008603 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.07999998 = 1.52 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.00047606 = 5.7127 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13200 @ 0.0004521 = 5.9677 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1800 @ 0.00044767 = 0.8058 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00043646 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10989993 = 0.3297 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00289999 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
the20year: Don't know if any rentalstarter investors are in here but i'm sending payment in 30m
mike_c: are you officially listing on hl?
the20year: Yes
mike_c: when?
the20year: Whenever HL gets the paperwork approved, already sent it out to them Monday
rattaTATpow: kakobreklahttp://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
mike_c: good luck. i still don't think you should be raising btc, but you should be one of the better investments on hl :)
rattaTATpow: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
the20year: Why shouldn't we be raising btc?
mike_c: because i don't think your roi will be better than just holding btc
rattaTATpow: ozbot and gribble seem to bemuch different than Bitcoinwisdom.
rattaTATpow: mike thatsnot a reason
the20year: will any stock be better than holding btc?
mike_c: yes, stocks that aren't tied to a fiat income stream.
rattaTATpow: all investors should knowvy now thatstocks are merely denominatedinbtc
rattaTATpow: no such thing
rattaTATpow: all assets are affectedby fiat
the20year: That's kind of the point i'm making. Everything from my perspective was hammered shareprice wise when BTC went from $200>$1200
the20year: And even though many of the assets 'weren't in fiat' they seemed to suffer a good deal from fiat's decline in value relative to BTC
rattaTATpow: its also possible forbtc to decline in price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00084675 = 3.4344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02420869 = 0.5568 BTC [-] {4}
the20year: At any rate, RentalStarter collected an average of $81 in fiat per BTC during the IPO phase, bitcoin is now worth 10x more and our div yield in BTC will be 14.3% going forward which puts us right in the middle of the pack on Havelock. Only two stocks would have higher dividends, 5 would have lower dividend yields.
the20year: So let me stress that, 14.3% dividend yield based on investments at $81 per BTC
the20year: it also doesn't include the fact that we haven't utilized 20% remaining capital in our account due to it being insufficient to buy more properties.
mircea_popescu: how did that clemens line go, "the less one is inclined to make definitive universal statements, the less likely they are to look like some random noob that ended up in the wrong channel"
jurov: everything sucks
jurov: *the* most defnitive universal statement
mircea_popescu: some shit blows.
jurov: that's not universal
pankkake: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/sheer-idiocy-markets-one-chart-back lol, yet another one, after twtr
ozbot: The Sheer Idiocy Of The Markets In One Chart... Is Back | Zero Hedge
mike_c: efficient market pricing at its finest
mircea_popescu: "everything sucks in the most efficient way possible"
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69y6rGMuL1rwei2eo1_500.jpg
the20year: These tech aquisitions make no sense to me
KRS1: Mmm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Lagrangian mechanics' of sucking?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun see the big deal. if this wasn;'t a problem we wouldn't need trademarks
mircea_popescu: and also we could keep gasoline in cups right next to our coffee cups and type away in the dark
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07000001 = 0.14 BTC [-]
jurov: perchance, isn't there a company with ticker like BTC or MPEX ?
jurov: or DOGE? :DDDD
punkman: there'
punkman: there's a BTC stock
the20year: the winklevoss etf?
jurov: no doge... but unearthed this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/congress-finally-discovered-doge-going-171000253.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbvxtZSC2MADnuTmYlQ
mircea_popescu: lol this is what internet experts with mucho experience and #1 delo negocios come up with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.049999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't like that your comments eat newlines
nubbins`: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1587 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.2558% in 9d 10h 46m 52s
mike_c: yeah, it looks dumb.
mircea_popescu: bitbet has the same problem, except there it's kind of deliberate to encourage ppl to be brief
mike_c: it will improved soon. easy fix.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0048091 = 0.1058 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.049999 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 135 @ 0.04999999 = 6.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 87 @ 0.02500574 = 2.1755 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: FonziScheme joined the chat room.
nubbins`: FonziScheme: eyyyyyyy
nubbins`: lel
Duffer1: >.<
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04999999 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10595 @ 0.00084675 = 8.9713 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3055 @ 0.00084688 = 2.5872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00084628 = 18.2796 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22695 @ 0.00084753 = 19.2347 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8755 @ 0.00084837 = 7.4275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00284957 = 0.9973 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084474 = 14.3606 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08200198 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2}
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Duffer1: oo that's gonna get annoying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08200199 = 0.41 BTC [+]
the20year: and the difference between worldcoinindex and coinmarketcap?
mike_c: too late, spammer left.
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pankkake: seriously
Duffer1: :(
Apocalyptic: yep, definitely better with the #
Apocalyptic: next time moar *
mike_c: i prefer >>>>> spammy! <<<<<<<<<
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pankkake: (does this chan strip colors?)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04999999 = 1.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: pankkake ye
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 133 @ 0.04999999 = 6.65 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: :( http://i.imgur.com/ZVGqWGP.png
mircea_popescu: http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ip/80.57.0.0/16/ << funny thing
ozbot: Bitcoin nodes from 80.57.0.0/16 network prefix - getaddr.bitnodes.io
pankkake: what is there to see?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.00279998 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: guy's been running a node off the same ip he's spamming here ?
pankkake: oh
mircea_popescu: including where you may wish to complain, some nl host.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00084796 = 3.9006 BTC [+]
mike_c: pankkake why is my name pink?
pankkake: maybe my gaydar is broken
mike_c: seriously. i want green.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what color am i ?
pankkake: red. the script doesn't have many colors, and worse, sometimes nicks of the same lenght get the same color…
nubbins`: hm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [-]
jurov: mike_c: i have you pink, too. you need to change it, sry
mike_c: maybe the gaydar is working. how revealing.
jurov: and mircea_popescu is light blue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 549 @ 0.00099988 = 0.5489 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well everyone's baby blue on my thing, except me. i'm gray.
nubbins`: you're all orange here, and i'm dark red
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008611 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54077111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08200198 = 0.984 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 167 @ 0.0009999 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: 256 color options in weechat baby, I'm really living over here.
ystarnaud: AM1 still holding above 0.5
ystarnaud: not too bad
pankkake: yeah, that's one of the reasons I need to switch to that weechat
pankkake: but that's 10 years of habits to break
TomServo: Yeah, that would be tough. Been a looong time since I used irssi/bitchx so it wasn't too bad for me.
nubbins`: ystarnaud: people still hold AM1?
ystarnaud: yeah
ystarnaud: maybe not as many people
ystarnaud: but alot still do
nubbins`: interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's probably the most diversely-held stock in the history of btc
nubbins`: no doubt
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1560 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1320% in 9d 1h 53m 16s
the20year: 2% increase in just a few hours...nice
asciilifeform: from the dept. of random turds:
asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/General-Dynamics-Systems-13247489-02-Module/dp/B00GH2AB7M
ozbot: General Dynamics C4 Systems 13247489-02 Module T25371: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
asciilifeform: this is, apparently, a military disk drive.
asciilifeform: http://www.armyproperty.com/product/4LEK3/13247489-03/
ozbot: Product / Part Number: 13247489-03 - DISK DRIVE UNIT by GENERAL DYNAMICS C4 SYSTEMS INC. - 4LEK3 - A
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 525 @ 0.0009997 = 0.5248 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i always thought those got burned in the thermite pit on retirement, but go figure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.049991 = 0.6999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14595 @ 0.00084796 = 12.376 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: wut is dis
ArsKisS: seedcoin didn't crash more than 10%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 208 @ 0.00089396 = 0.1859 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3000 @ 0.00017 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00526 = 0.1841 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00084729 = 1.6946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2000 @ 0.00017 = 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00084729 = 4.2365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 15000 @ 0.00017 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.0009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1600 @ 0.0009 = 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.00099999 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.024137 = 0.2414 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02689993 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00272788 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0052852 = 0.1268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1301 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1541 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.2494% in 8d 17h 50m 46s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5394726 = 3.7763 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35354 @ 0.000845 = 29.8741 BTC [-] {5}
Neil: Quite surprised there haven't been a few BTC on No recently on the 2bn diff bet
jurov: Neil, it's rarely less than the estimates
BingoBoingo: Lol, the comments and the not grep that the value of the price of risk keeps changing as more people want to buy risk
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
jurov: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> isn't he chair of the foundation or sthg?
mircea_popescu: jurov :
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/454/btc-network-difficulty-tops-25-million-by-end/
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 25 million by end of June
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/458/btc-network-difficulty-tops-42-million-by-end/
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 42 million by end of July
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00084827 = 16.1171 BTC [+]
jurov: what's with the bets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 540 @ 0.00095 = 0.513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999998 = 0.75 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they came out as no :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11442 @ 0.0008441 = 9.6582 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1605 @ 0.00080383 = 1.2901 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=406689.0
mircea_popescu: is btc-e about to go away ?
jurov: maybe just problems with rented accounts
Apocalyptic: I hope so mircea_popescu
mike_c: quick, bet no :)
mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/
ozbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015
pankkake: those claims are common and not new
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: it seemed to suddenly add up to a lot more dough than normally.
KRS1: "Experts" say bitcoin will be as low as $10 this year.
KRS1: http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2014/01/15/10-one-perspective-on-what-bitcoin-will-be-worth-in-2014/
ozbot: $10: One Perspective On What Bitcoin Will Be Worth In 2014 - Forbes
asciilifeform: translation: experts want to buy cheap coin, time for chumps to sell
KRS1: Forbes teh trolls
mircea_popescu: lmao experts.
mircea_popescu: the experts are here. forbes has the noobs.
KRS1: Haha yea
asciilifeform: there are different kinds of experts. some are expert at cattle herding.
Duffer1: i'm surprised that one didn't mention tulips
KRS1: With that said, teh bitbet gets NO vote
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'd happen if you replaced the wsj's experts with seventeen magazine's experts for a week
Duffer1: they got the greater fool theory in there so 1/2 i suppose
mircea_popescu: specifically, whether anyone'd catch on.
KRS1: LOL mircea_popescu
KRS1: One thing for sure, their articles will be filled with "like" and "ummm" and "I was like.."
asciilifeform: high time for a forbes-fueled Shannonizer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform forbes has the circulation of mail order catalogues for anal plugs cca 1950, what herding ?
jurov: someone should recommend usagi to them
asciilifeform: did american jailers plug the arses of condemned criminals in the '50s?
asciilifeform: and if so, i wonder what market share of plugs this accounted for.
mircea_popescu: now that i dunno
mircea_popescu: subquestion : did the elctric chair include a buttelectrode ?
asciilifeform: the famous 'Yellow Mama' electric chair in the wash. dc. museum seems to have a shit pan
asciilifeform: so answer's probably no.
pankkake: butt plugs to prevent prison rape?
nubbins`: worth noting that forbes.com/sites/* are just blogs
nubbins`: by people like "samantha sharf"
nubbins`: who don't really work for forbes, or have anything worth saying
mircea_popescu: samantha sharf is a good name for a stripper
mircea_popescu: cindi cockscarf and shamantha sharf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "I write about stock markets, art markets, millennials and their money"
Duffer1: millenials have money?
nubbins`: i'm not sure what a millennial is, offhand
nubbins`: http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/05/bitcoin-gets-valued-bank-of-america-puts-a-price-on-the-virtual-tender/
ozbot: Bitcoin Gets Valued: Bank Of America Puts A Price Target On The Virtual Tender - Forbes
nubbins`: a month ago, sharf thought bitcoin was worth $1300
nubbins`: ah, millennials are "generation y"
nubbins`: apparently i'm considered a senior millennial
mircea_popescu: millenials is how women that don't fuck tender reffer to the chicks which are just about ripe.
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: now there's a definition i can work with
asciilifeform: pankkake: the plug (used even today, afaik) is to make cleanup easier.
asciilifeform: american prisoners are denied the traditional gallows privilege of filling their pants.
nubbins`: best shit on the hands of the inserter
asciilifeform: there are tales that some states use... superglue.
nubbins`: :0
pankkake: yet another genius invention that can be used for good or evil
jurov: what about shitting? inmates get state-issued alternate butthole?
nubbins`: i think they only glue your poop chute when killing you
nubbins`: we use CA for adhering mesh to screen frames, i've glued tools to myself on occasion
nubbins`: no fun
asciilifeform: works great on papercuts though.
jurov: once there was a blonde around here that arrived on emergency
jurov: cuz she glued her eyes together
mircea_popescu: like across her nose ?
asciilifeform: you'd need a hydraulic press.
jurov: one nurse got hysterical laughing seizure and had to be dismissed for the day
mircea_popescu: so maybe the blonde had a hidraulic press
jurov: she mistook the glue for liner or whatever
mircea_popescu: o man...
Duffer1: it's eyedrops i swear
Duffer1: CA brand
mircea_popescu: no no she has a point, they have a stupid glue thing they use for fake lashes
mircea_popescu: it stinks similarly
asciilifeform: http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/worst-ways-die-8.jpg
asciilifeform: if this fellow's head were turned sideways, one could glue his eyes together!
pankkake: I wouldn't list that on the worst ways to die
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: me neither. but i didn't have the photo handy.
mircea_popescu: being successfuly hunted by a dingo
pankkake: being shat on by the elephant would be (and this is a darwin award story btw)
asciilifeform: why is being eaten by dingo to be avoided, compared to, say, wolf ?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> like across her nose ?
nubbins`: lelelelelel
jurov: yeah, good she didn't manage to knot them eyes
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/23BpKZ8
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ermahgerd holm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00084378 = 49.9518 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dingo hunts by evisceration
mircea_popescu: wolf hunts like a sane canide (carotid section)
BingoBoingo: Dingos also look like adorable domestic dogs, so there is an additional embarassment factor involved.
asciilifeform: depending on the locale, one needn't go to australia to be eaten by a pack of dogs.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's an african equivalent too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1251 @ 0.00080015 = 1.001 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f94e40d92631be4c73b017a9d18d09a/tumblr_mwy3m30YX81r43ttjo1_1280.jpg
pankkake: her aspect ratio seems wrong
asciilifeform: is there a next frame with dingo?
asciilifeform: poor beast, what a meager meal.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/ebd993da8798811cc1d50d729d451d63/tumblr_mzbesqhsFF1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: let's insist then.
pankkake: that reminds me of http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/
mircea_popescu: "you've not lived until you brought strippers on campus, to parade nude for the benefit of all the stuck up "career" bitchez"
asciilifeform: career bitchez, zoologists write, hunt by evisceration.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a0gbUvb
mircea_popescu: this is a conceit, never actually found in nature.
nubbins`: feels > shields
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/f5e0191f07148758db6b4273a130169c/tumblr_mw7tz1Gl5V1stdjcpo1_1280.jpg