assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 217 @ 0.01775 = 3.8518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01725 = 0.1725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01751 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Namworld: hmm... Coinroll volume going up fast.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01751 = 0.07 BTC [-]
Guest8721: so, is it just me or is bitstamp down?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01674 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.762999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01725 = 0.0518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01674 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000666 = 0.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.763 = 3.526 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.0173 = 0.2941 BTC [+]
joecool: i'm guessing the network is split?
dub: its like a barrel roll
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0173 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
Namworld: The thing started 2.5 weeks ago and got ~1/15th of SD's betting volume already.
Namworld: Doesn't require one BTC transaction per bet, uses deposit/withdrawals.
Namworld: over 500'000 bets made already
pgp: don't count SD out just yet...
pgp: pretty sure that their gonna introduce a similar model
Namworld: Well they'd better be quick about it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.00064 = 0.032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 300 @ 0.00056 = 0.168 BTC [-]
pgp: I like the interface - very simple
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2000 @ 0.00055 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.00053 = 0.0027 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.000511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 640 @ 0.00051 = 0.3264 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01722 = 0.1205 BTC [-]
Namworld: Scrat's the maker. I think he made everything if I'm not mistaken. Coding, design, etc.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.01722 = 0.5683 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0173 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000669 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
toffoo: washington d.c. mayor marion barry smoked crack on video before it was cool for mayors to smoke crack on video
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.01751 = 0.823 BTC [-]
joecool: toffoo: and he got re-elected after he got busted for hookers n. blow
dub: if you were a dude called marion you'd smoke crack too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2016 = 0.4032 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.2015 = 3.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.201 = 0.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.755 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.758 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.76 = 5.28 BTC [+]
furuknap: Right now, AM has become too much of a gamble for me.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.763 BTC [+]
furuknap: TAT, I should say that I sold at much higher prices than current trading due to options, so I would actually earn by buying in at these levels. Still not doing it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0177 = 0.1239 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 68 @ 0.0173 = 1.1764 BTC [+]
dub: its good to have someone around to state the obvious
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.755 = 7.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 51 @ 0.0177 = 0.9027 BTC [+]
furuknap: My plan right now is actually just holding on to cash while I explore other options. I've made my good 1฿ per share, I doubt I'll see that return any time soon :-)
dub: feel free to stop threadshitting, some of us are still holding out for teh greater fools
furuknap: I do actually believe in AM as a long-term prospect so that's why I try to get people aware of the dangers. I'd like to see AM at around 1.3 as that price with projected dividends would roughly defend a 15-20% yield until the 6.25 halving.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.91 = 3.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.105 = 0.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.104 = 0.936 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0173 = 0.0692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.91 = 3.82 BTC [-]
furuknap: It would be interesting to set up an asset that would liquidate in 2020 based on AM price at the time.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
dub: I think AM disappearing tomorrow without trace is far more likely than anyone even remembering them in 2020
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.0173 = 1.1072 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0173 = 0.0865 BTC [+]
furuknap: With the current dividend policy, I tend to agree. I don't think that's friedcats intent, though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.905 = 19.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.90021 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: i dont think AM is just going to leave, chinese hit men, bombing the building? maybe i guess
Chaaaang-Noi: why would he leave? he is making shit loads of money selling usb sticks and other stuff to the public
Chaaaang-Noi: further more, he and his team have stock valuied at 43, million usd, and dont forget about dividends...
furuknap: I guess that value would drop radically if they tried to realize it.
dub: they could just go quiet and keep the mining output
furuknap: That would cause a similiar crash.
Chaaaang-Noi: i dont think he needs to steal 30 more million when he already has 60
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [-]
dub: they could have a more realistic view of the share value
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0177 BTC [+]
furuknap: That's what I'm trying to get through the people. 5% yield is almost a scam with the risks involved.
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, but they are also going for dividends...
dub: you mean the mining output that they would have anyway?
furuknap: Dividends don't amount to much if you account for the halving effect in 2016.
Chaaaang-Noi: i trust friedcat, iv worked with him with different things for well over a year, and i blindly gave him money (bought stocks)just cuz of trust. i trust him before and trust him much more now
dub: hell they could still sell the kit and people would buy it
Chaaaang-Noi: they are selling kit, and about to sell a shit load more kit, usb whateverz
dub: I don't trust anyone in china
furuknap: Thick: Bitcoin will be fine. AM may not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 252 @ 0.0177 = 4.4604 BTC [+]
furuknap: Thick: That's exactly why I think people need to realize that their dividends won't cover as much of the loss in value as they think.
dub: furuknap: you've made a mistake
dub: assuming more than 2% of bitcoiners are capable of thinking
furuknap: I don't get that sarcasm. Do you not believe that halving will disrupt profitability of miners?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: well, im pretty sure we will get close to 505 of the network, who else is makling asics?
furuknap: Why is that? Do you believe that transaction volumne will pick up that much in three years?
furuknap: Chaaaang: Bitbury, Avalon, BFL...
dub: no doubt reptillia will get the game next with supernodeminer
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.763 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: we are okay, we need to not be over 50% anyway
furuknap: Leading a race with just one horse isn't really an accomplishment.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: might not be an "accomplishment" to you but im stacking paper sky high
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.0173 = 0.2941 BTC [+]
furuknap: I'm not trolling in any way. I don't see the insane value in AM that some people are paying these days. I've run the numbers and they're showing a 5% yield at these levels on a 10% average hash rate for the next 6 years. If they beat that, it's a bonus.
furuknap: Those 5% are not worth the risk in my opinion.
Chaaaang-Noi: i think they will have much higher than 10% over the next 6 years
furuknap: Like I said, I don't like to gamble :-)
Chaaaang-Noi: being first, counts, being in china and knowing how to do this shit counts... friedcat can just order 10,000 more of these at will
louong: haha, we're talking about a bitcoin investment
louong: not exactly the most risk-averse thing out there
furuknap: louong: Of course, but for taking risks, I'd like a better reward than 5%.
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah.. when i invest in a crazy high risk thing like bitcoin, i thin that that bitcoin and invest it in some chinese chip maker:) sounds really really "safe"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01701 BTC [-]
louong: lol, it's a risky investment with a risky currency
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: fuck i need coffee, even i have a hard time reading what i said...
louong: nice, up to almost 1.8 now?
dub: furuknap: again your mistake is assuming baseline sanity
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.1901 = 0.5703 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.0177 = 0.3009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0173 = 0.346 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0173 = 0.173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0177 = 0.1947 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0177 = 0.0354 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.1901 = 5.8931 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0177 = 0.0708 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 123 @ 0.0177 = 2.1771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 83 @ 0.01775 = 1.4733 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01785 = 1.785 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01795 = 2.6925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.01795 = 1.2027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066731 = 2.8834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4179 @ 0.00066536 = 2.7805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00066628 = 6.4629 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.768 = 3.536 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.19989999 = 2.3988 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 37 @ 0.19989999 = 7.3963 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0173 = 0.865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002401 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.0024 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002398 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 417 @ 0.002392 = 0.9975 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 116 @ 0.002385 = 0.2767 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00235 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 450 @ 0.00234 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00232 = 0.0557 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2000 @ 0.0023 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00227 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 745 @ 0.00212 = 1.5794 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2099 = 1.0495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 185 @ 0.017885 = 3.3087 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.2098 = 7.9724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 37 @ 0.2099 = 7.7663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066767 = 2.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.00066771 = 3.7826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.9301 = 9.6505 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0173 = 0.173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.01805 = 2.7256 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.768 = 3.536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7699 = 3.5398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.0173 = 0.7439 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.772489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.772489 = 5.3175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7729 = 7.0916 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.775 = 7.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.775 = 5.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.01805 = 0.7581 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7845 = 3.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.785 = 30.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0173 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 301 @ 0.01805 = 5.4331 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0173 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.785 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0173 = 0.3633 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 599 @ 0.01805 = 10.812 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.785 = 8.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.788 = 3.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.789 = 3.578 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01808 = 0.4701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.017399 = 0.4176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000666 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0026 = 0.013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0026 = 0.0052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00255 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00253 = 0.1898 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0022 = 0.0066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00214 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 95 @ 0.00212 = 0.2014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.017399 = 0.2958 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0174 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01746 = 0.2968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 124 @ 0.01808 = 2.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 350 @ 0.018095 = 6.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.002578 = 0.0309 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7342 @ 0.01780001 = 130.6877 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0175 = 0.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.787 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.01759 = 0.4222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01759 = 0.1055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3185 @ 0.00066771 = 2.1267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9615 @ 0.00066776 = 6.4205 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.017594 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7895 = 5.3685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.7898 = 12.5286 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.017594 = 0.2815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7898 = 7.1592 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.017595 = 0.7214 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.0176 = 1.0384 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0176 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00066767 = 7.0105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066687 = 2.2674 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.002527 = 0.0076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7898 = 5.3694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.789999 = 12.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.0176 = 0.6512 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0176 = 0.1584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1034 = 0.3102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 14 @ 0.103 = 1.442 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.019 = 0.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.0176 = 1.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.017628 = 0.3349 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.78 = 7.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.017628 = 1.2516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 122 @ 0.01763 = 2.1509 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.79 = 17.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.79 = 5.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.795 = 3.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002517 = 0.2517 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.799 = 7.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.79999 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01725 = 1.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01765 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.79999 = 7.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.799999 = 18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.8 = 28.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8185 @ 0.00066776 = 5.4656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4015 @ 0.00066788 = 2.6815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7885 @ 0.00066788 = 5.2662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4561 @ 0.00067001 = 3.0559 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01765 = 0.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000699 = 0.0035 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01765 = 1.1473 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00251 = 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 304 @ 0.002511 = 0.7633 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.799999 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.799999 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01765 = 0.353 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.002789 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.8 = 16.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01769 = 0.1061 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01769 = 0.1946 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0181 = 0.905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.0181 = 0.4344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01769 = 0.3184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0177 = 0.4425 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0177 = 0.1593 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 236585 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12120186.6326 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.33921
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8617 @ 0.00067001 = 5.7735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00067099 = 6.0389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00067157 = 2.7541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5149 @ 0.00067157 = 3.4579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873 @ 0.00067214 = 0.5868 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.8 = 37.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01775 = 0.3728 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01773 = 1.1525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002577 = 0.0103 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.019 = 0.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01773 = 0.3014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01775 = 1.4733 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.81 = 3.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0178 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0179 = 1.253 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01795 = 1.2565 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01795 = 0.4847 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01795 = 0.2334 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 552 @ 0.0181 = 9.9912 BTC [+]
davout: we shouldn't do racist jokes
davout: and crime is for niggers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 374 @ 0.0181 = 6.7694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00253 = 0.0127 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: did you see his post about being in the insane lock up or whatever?
Chaang-Noi: his rontus guy, seems as crazy as he is...
davout: dumb people don't know how to troll
mircea_popescu: and moreover, take any bit of preserved literacy, what is it ?
davout: the very bitcoin project is trolling banks and haters since day 1
mircea_popescu: Eine logisch-mathematische Untersuchung uber den Begriff der Zahl , what is that ?
Chaang-Noi: i trolled theymos, got banned for it, was good times
mircea_popescu: swift's modest proposal, trolling through and through.
Chaang-Noi: but honestly im not sure reptillia is trolling, i think he might really be crazy
Chaang-Noi: dullusions of self grandure, if he is trolling he gets 10/10
Chaang-Noi: i dont bother with speelling "correctly"
Chaang-Noi: im happy if you understand my ideas :)
Chaang-Noi: The mass production of Block Erupter USB is to be done today.
Chaang-Noi: 10,000 usb stick at hmm... 2 btc each... not bad not bad at all
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01795 BTC [+]
furuknap: Yeah, I can't wait to rush in. I get a seat at a round table! Weeee!
jurov: As for safety, I do not know any official classification of this place, but my gut feeling is that in order for anyone (which means, anyone) to take me out of here alive, it requires an operation that cannot be planned in secret, and the lead time is minimum 48 hours. If dead, it can be achieved relatively quickly, but there will be considerable (100,000+) collateral damage if the success needs to be achieved at a greater than 75% probability.
jurov: reptilia needs some kind of serius recognition for this
jurov: yes, sth like that
mircea_popescu: course it'd be important to discern if the safety is designated or actual.
jurov: OMFGLBBQ: My experiences tell that even the patients here are eager to buy by the truckload, as soon as they get into the position to do so.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 178 @ 0.0181 = 3.2218 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: not sure how reptillia can be a supernode he is going to try and bull a satoshi
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
jurov: sorry for spamming I really cannot even: I sent only a 2-ppl detachment to the Bay area, but they are my Ambassadors and have full authority to spend as many bitcoins as deemed necessary to subdue all, as well as I myself am subdued under the authority of Finnish government right now.
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if he got jailed cuz he did not pay the hotel, then went crazy
jurov: Bay Area Surrenders to Risto de Silver I.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01795 = 0.3411 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ihad him on ignore for a month now cuz i thought he was a scammer
Chaang-Noi: ripple is perfect for scammers, shocked this was not done sooner
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's a scammer, he seems like a kid with mostly good ideas ocasionally getting ahead of himself.
Chaang-Noi: he wanted to do a trade with me with out escrow, red flags went up, just m gut reaction
mircea_popescu: jurov if tortilla actually comes to timisoara do you want early warning to show up ?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi because he has correctly identified me as the most important entity in btc ?
jurov: np, i'll pay in s.mpoe microshares
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.01798 = 1.4384 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: reptillia wants to be a supper node, but he just be crazy...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01798 = 0.2877 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01799 = 0.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.01799 = 1.2053 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you're just butthurt that he's not ivisting indochina or w/e unhard of bumfuck
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01807 = 0.8312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's why they're no good as currency. smpoe is bubbling slow.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01807 = 3.614 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: even my only investment is in china, and that is asic miner
Chaang-Noi: asic miner seems to be kicking ass, so make fun of asia all you want, you and super node have fun making out :)
gribble: There are currently 4776.8374 bitcoins offered at or under 120.0 USD, worth 573088.28631 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
Chaang-Noi: yes i am so jelly of you and supernode being bbf
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01807 = 0.0361 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: always nice to see the muslium star and cresent at the white house...
Chaang-Noi: s.dice is starting to ban us ip addresses, true or fud?
Chaang-Noi: so the only thing eric does in a year of development is ban 1/2 its users, hmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.187 BTC [-]
davout: like i repeated like 10 times now, some investor large enough to give a fuck about it will simply clone the website and make it available in the US without erik being able to do jack shit about it
Uglux: there are clones already
davout: of SD or of its website?
mircea_popescu: Uglux he means that it's trivial to make 500 s.dice websites
davout: mircea_popescu: yup, wasn't sure if he meant cloning the concept or its website
davout: so basically no one cares, zero fucks given
mircea_popescu: it removes possibly the largest argument the us could have brought.
davout: ThickAsThieves: it is a nice marketing stunt
ThickAsThieves: marketing ploy, progress, or one more nail in the coffin, whichever it is, I'm over it for now :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " To say that a young woman has a vagina or that she has sexual intercourse is an affront to her modesty that is not tolerated. The correct and expected reference is to her cunt and to fucking."
mircea_popescu: because english was the language of the upper class white people, and so it is respectable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00066737 = 0.7007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00066687 = 2.4674 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: The meeting with the doctor ended in a mutual agreement that I am too manic to continue posting on this forum.
pigeons: if he "eats his medicine" he won't be able to see bitcoin visions anymore
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there's going to be a forum ambassador nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 317 @ 0.01810998 = 5.7409 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: "I am one of the hosts for this summit."
mircea_popescu: i guess i will have to yield my sa trolling competition.
mircea_popescu: they certainly did a lot better than any of teh bitcoin ppl on their own forum.
Chaang-Noi: I met Risto for the first time last autumn in some Bitcoin related stuff."
Chaang-Noi: if this guy is AS and reptillia too, mad props, sending 93k usd as part of a trolling operation is epic shit
mircea_popescu: no big deal, i'm sure people wanting to buy btc can be found.
Chaang-Noi: sure but really, if this was just a troll buying 700 btc is pretty into it
mircea_popescu: they might have been able to find someone who wanted to buy 100k worth of btc and didn't know how.
Chaang-Noi: yeah it can be done, sure. im just impressed, but i still dont think he is a troll, just a nutter
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.84 = 9.2 BTC [+]
furuknap: After reading a bit now, I vote for nutter too.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8495 = 9.2475 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: when it's just mild schizophrenias I think it's easy to know you are messed up
mircea_popescu: "Shit, if a tall and beautiful woman shows up at a Bitcoin conference we're all doomed anyway. "
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i understand, im not 100% sure but id say 70% he is just a crazy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 216 @ 0.01849 = 3.9938 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i know asians are shorter, i live here
Chaang-Noi: if you cout all the other races, she is white right?
mircea_popescu: must suck to be black and with a normal penis these days
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.220001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.21001 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00066937 = 4.217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.210001 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.21 = 2.1 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: rpietilla post two more if anyone cares
Chaang-Noi: cognitive is a smallish mining operations with mostly gpus and some fpgas
truffles: yall like drama just as much as me
Chaang-Noi: they have invested into bfl and are going to invest in avalon
Chaang-Noi: i hold 5% of the company and got in at an average prioce of .11 so im pretty happy
mircea_popescu: However I will still be able to breathe inside the house, plus drink and eat reasonably well. So my lifestyle, which was originally fit for a king, is still fit for a travelling salesman.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well i dunno if 5btc counts as a selloff if they have an actual business then.
Chaang-Noi: yeah its just the most action downward i have seen from them in a while
Chaang-Noi: they do have a real business, and ahve been around a long time, but they are not exactly racking in the btc at this point
pigeons: "Annina Rusila, Personal Secretary. Annina is helping Roni to achieve the mission. She is travelling single. For the reason that she is in close cooperation with Roni, though, she is not allowed to smoke during the conference (except if/when Roni sends her to solitary mission)."
Chaang-Noi: i think it is over valued, its only to protect myself from a sudden bfl shipping, however it is looking less and less likely that that will happen any time soon
Chaang-Noi: when that guy worked with me about the wire he was very professional and seemed sane
Chaang-Noi: fuck, i forget his rankings... i wonder what i am...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.85 = 7.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01807 = 1.807 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01848 = 0.2772 BTC [-]
Scrat: i am new to the world of supernodes
Scrat: rename this channel to bitcoin-supernode
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01807 = 0.1626 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.85 = 11.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01807 = 2.7105 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01848 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
furuknap: That rifle really just needs to know _who_ to shoot, and it would be perfect.
furuknap: It's priced now as to not stand a chance in 2016. That'll kill a lot of dreams...
furuknap: There must be a serious correction or a lot of people are going to be very angry at the cat.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.859 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: you assert your opinions and guesses like they are facts
furuknap: No, it's the entire basis of myu perspective. I realize that suckers will follow the herd, but that's really not how I want to do business.
ThickAsThieves: your logic would require nearly all investors to be suckers
furuknap: No, it wouldn't, and that kind of argument isn't really effective. There's a major difference of evaluating risk and not standing a chance in hell.
furuknap: Right now, we're rapidly trending towards negative ROI if friedcat achieves everything he says. That's not a chance in hell.
furuknap: I can understand people being passionate, I just don't want to pay ฿1 for ฿0.5.
ThickAsThieves: I'm not going to debate you too hard on all this, I have been watching your posts and made my own opinions about your predispositions
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.859 = 7.436 BTC [+]
furuknap: Like I said, I based my opinions on math, nothing more.
furuknap: Actually, I would favor in the direction of risk, but right now, there isn't risk, it's suicide.
ThickAsThieves: ask yourself "okay, i have made my analysis, now how could I make myself totally wrong"
furuknap: I've been doing that, three ways over.
furuknap: No, I sold at 1.78 including options. I had secured that at around 1.50.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.01807 = 0.9939 BTC [+]
furuknap: That's roughly 5% from current top. I have no problems missing the top bu as much as 30-40% even, especially when I see there are no fundamentals supporting the price above that.
furuknap: 30 or so shares? I don't remember exactly.
ThickAsThieves: so so far you have lost $250 plus next week's dividends
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
furuknap: Yes, and I've also gained far more. You're not going to sucker me into that trap :-)
furuknap: Nobody ever lost from walking away with a profit.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
furuknap: I've doubled my money in a month and not taken any risk. I'm perfectly capable of living with not getting the last few drops of the can.
ThickAsThieves: or that share value won't erode slower than div payout
furuknap: No, I'm assuming there's no support for a price above 1.50ish even at twice the rate that friedcat predicts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00159999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
furuknap: That's where that darn math comes in again and says you're wrong.
furuknap: Heh, I wish it were that simple :-)
furuknap: Yeah. And what type of math do you use? The pink one?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.01839 = 0.4781 BTC [+]
furuknap: Sadly, they mostly exist in fantasy.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.018396 = 1.4717 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.018397 = 1.4166 BTC [+]
furuknap: I realize people buy on far more than ROI. I don't. Even if the price goes up to 2.5, it will still be within what I'm perfectly comfortable 'loosing' by just taking 1.10 per share (and even a bit more since I got a few of the waves right).
furuknap: That's actually one thing that the BTC community lacks. Sponsoring of useful information. Clark Moody is fine, but all the ad services are crap.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ye know what i mean. gotta know what it is.
truffles: one should always tip, good on u TAT
mircea_popescu: the short version : don't sponsor things you don;'t understand, they may blow up in your face.
furuknap: mp, I'm mostly recognized in the SharePoint community where there are two community players that run highly successful ad servics for bloggers and services. I've reached out to one of them who is also a sponsor for my next book and asked whether she'd be willing to look at a similar service for BTC community.
furuknap: Advice for aspiring professionals in SharePoint.
furuknap: Yeah, that sort of puts you out of the audience of the book :-)
furuknap: SharePoint is a business app platform from Microsoft.
mircea_popescu: furuknap i didn't even know there's a sharepoint community
ThickAsThieves: the guy has been supplying this chart, noted no tips, so I thought hmm, I'll back him up a little and see where it goes
furuknap: Not really old, it came out with the latest version in February.
truffles: whats the price range of this book ?
ThickAsThieves: he gets motivation to keep doing and developing it fiurther
furuknap: This one is free. It's part of a test I'm running to see if I can get a better way of providing information to people. My other 20ish books cost around $20 each.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying you gotta know the basic idea, where he gets the data, stuff like that.
ThickAsThieves: I will ask him to post about how he pulls the data though
furuknap: You can hang on for a couple of days and the next one is out free. I'd be happy to send you other copies though.
furuknap: Couple of days as in most likley Monday.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.018397 = 0.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.0184 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
furuknap: Yup, at least the ones that are available. I've done a couple of private ones too. All IT, though.
truffles: not a fan of ur writing style ...
furuknap: truffles: I can't please everyone :-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0184 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: windows sharepoint was some old, pretty much abandoned stuff ms came out with in i think 2002
ThickAsThieves: is that the one that was basically Outlook on a stick?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't for the life of me recall exactly wehat it was
furuknap: Yeah, the early stuff was pretty bad and distributed in two versions. One free was an extension of SharePoint and a server verson which was nothing of the sorts.
furuknap: No, it has nothing to do with Outlook.
furuknap: Think of it as a web base database with tons of services and user configuration and db design. It's an accident waitning to happen (and has happened) but it's widely adopted now.
furuknap: Yeah, but you also thinks the math looks like it support a price above 1.8.
furuknap: SharePoint is more like Notes if you have to compare it to something.
mircea_popescu: anyway, sorta back on topic : bitcoin finance desperately needs analysts, of the real kind
mircea_popescu: anyone starting a blog now on the topic and sticking to it professionally will be the gigaom/whatever of bitcoin in a decade.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0183 = 0.0366 BTC [-]
truffles: ThickAsThieves most ppl assets are shareholders of mpex or sdice right?
furuknap: Yeah, I'd love to do that, MP, but seriously, I'm not a finance guy. I understand the math, but I'm more technical than would make me a financial person of any repoute.
truffles: <furuknap dont worry mp's got it covered in his blog
mircea_popescu: i just repeat this periodically on the theory that hey, you never know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01848 = 0.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016132 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8675 = 3.735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
furuknap: Exactly, but to get there, there needs to be a desire for professional information that is more visible. I'm testing the market with a new mining book in a few weeks (maybe a couple of months, depending on whether I move from Norway). Having some experience from publishing, I'd use that to understand the market and what people want.
mircea_popescu: arrington didn't appear because there was a desire for tech crunch
furuknap: It does, but the leader also needs to know what people want.
mircea_popescu: he made it and then there was suddenly a desire for it, five years down the line
mircea_popescu: i don't think any leader of any import ever cares what epople want. at issue is what people need.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0185 = 0.185 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what people want is too widely distributed and also quite likely to kill them.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0185 = 0.037 BTC [+]
furuknap: OK, the leader (and that's not me, just so you don't think I'm blowing my own horn) needs to understand what people need. They usually say that by fierce opposition.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0185 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01852 = 0.426 BTC [+]
furuknap: TAT: Are you listening? Now I'm having opinions not founded on math.
mircea_popescu: best indication ever that auschwitz was a bad idea : the jews didn't fight back at all.
furuknap: Not the example I'd use, but I get your point :-)
furuknap: What was their original deadline? Weren't the due for going online in June?
ThickAsThieves: maybe some psychosociologist figured two weeks is the best scam tolerance timeframe
mircea_popescu: the story is that they had a 1mn ish investmenty with tom van ripyou of basic
mircea_popescu: so then they made another 1mn ish investment with bitfury
furuknap: Yeah, I read up on the origonal 75TH mine, but I also got the impression that bitfury was more legit.
mircea_popescu: while bitfury seems pretty certain he;ll deliver, i still very much doubt that investment exists.
furuknap: That would be fraud from two well known and public people. Do you think that's likely?
mircea_popescu: his statements that he's invested with third parties are his own.
furuknap: No, but the people behind it are published in the business plan and seems reputable on brief research.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01848 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: furuknap but i mean, what exactly is your judgement there ?
mircea_popescu: something like "here are names so it's legit" ? the pietila guy also throws names around
furuknap: On 100th? Not sure. It looks a bit too good to be true.
ThickAsThieves: Is there any evidence from any unproven ASIC provider that shows any reason to assume it's a lie til it ships?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, i count the 100 btc of bitfury's as some evidence
furuknap: I think the entire community is skeptical due to some key providers being late and scams. AM showed it's possible. The swedes work with very reputable companies. 100TH certainly has put a lot of effort into what at the time seemed like a peanut reward.
furuknap: The business plan, the picostocks setup, the putting your name on the line. At the time, there weren't asking for much. It's become a lot since then, but at the time, I mean, if you wanted to scam someone, at least you should do it big.
furuknap: Provided the people behind it really are the people in the business plan, they seem like smart enough people that if they wanted, they would scam someone for far more money.
furuknap: Faking a couple of results from their bio work would probably yields orders of magnitude more reward. They're putting their own names on the line so they'll have to disappear anyway, so why not scam for $50million instead?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.01848 = 1.6632 BTC [+]
furuknap: Well, I doubt he'd risk his name and reputation for a few million either...
pigeons: people who run ponzi schemes basically scam, trash their name and reputation, etc, for usually $0
furuknap: Yeah, but if you were doing that, would you rather have $5M or $500M?
pigeons: if he was a scammer he would do it for more money is not an effective heuristic
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01852 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
furuknap: Maybe. On the other hand, they could also easily have scammed anonymously and not have the burden of tainting their names.
truffles: how many ppl actually care for reputation..
pigeons: "if he was scamming, he wouldn't use his real identity" is not an effective heuristic
pigeons: trendon shavers, bernie madoff,
furuknap: Yeah, but Madoff scammed for bilions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01852 = 0.037 BTC [+]
pigeons: trendon and madoff and the rest scammed for enough to pay old investors and enough to eat
furuknap: Deson't matter if they care for it. They could have done it without. IF (and I capitalized that intentionally) the people in tne BP are the real people and not just a Google image search, what possible reason could they have for adding their names when they don't have to?
mircea_popescu: furuknap i have yet to see a pgp signed declaration from any of these people.
furuknap: MP: True, but the BP is also denominated in USD, not BTC, so they seem to be targeting people outside the community who may not be aware of the tradition of PGP signed stuff.
mircea_popescu: he has 100 btc on the line. if he puts 1000 on the other side to make back his 100 he still pays the rake
mircea_popescu: furuknap or who may be naive of exactly how scam friendly bntc is
furuknap: Again, it seems way too much effort for essentially peanuts. I don't know. Might throw a few coins there to see if it sticks.
pigeons: there are pages of debate today on bitcointalk about how this site that you pay .25 btc for him to mine .3 btc for you on his nvidias cant be a scam because people have been getting paid
mircea_popescu: 're new. pigeons has been here through the scams. when he says "not an effectual heuristic" he is speaking from a place of pain.
furuknap: I understand that, and I eat so much salt these days, I'll be a mummy by the end of the summer. This doesn't smell right though (and right here would be scam).
furuknap: Not saying it smells roses either, just to be clear on that.
pigeons: i haven't even looked into whatever you're talking about. I just saw "if he was scamming he would do it for more money and why would he use his real name"
pigeons: and if you're even making those points, something is wrong
furuknap: Of course IF (again intentionally) this is legit AND they deliver within a reasonable time frame, the proposition is a gold mine, perhaps more so than AM even.
furuknap: Actually, I wasn't trying to make a point of it, I was just responding to a question about what I thought of the project. From the projects I have evaluated, those were distinguishing characteristics in addition to a growing confidence that such a delivery is technically feasible. Two months ago, I probably wouldn't have given it a second glance.
furuknap: *distringuishing characteristics of the _business plan_
furuknap: bah, where' s the spell checker.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2109 = 1.0545 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01852 = 0.2593 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.0811 = 2.1622 BTC [-]
truffles: if that question is directed at me, your will is so weak ...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.018521 = 1.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.228999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.00159999 = 2.4 BTC [+]
furuknap: I'm not a girl if you were asking me...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [+]
deadweasel: truffles you're clearly ruining our sausagefest in here, at least pretend to own a johnson.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.018521 = 0.0926 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
truffles: deadweasel hate cliques though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.018521 = 0.4445 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 98 @ 0.01674 = 1.6405 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.842 = 9.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8452 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.845 = 14.76 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I like how everyone is thanking Friedcat for paying high divs as a strategy
ThickAsThieves: I like the divs n all, and I do think AM can grow further
ThickAsThieves: but it's not exactly a strategy to payout all the monies
Namworld: Friedcat should start developping a second chip
ThickAsThieves: "About the argument of dividend payments, our view is that we will distribute the net income after necessary costs are excluded and funds for foreseeable future (expansion, gen-2 chips) are reserved."
ThickAsThieves: is that AM makes so much money from the shares they already hold
ThickAsThieves: he did make it clear that new ventures, unrelated to mining, would not be wrapped under the current asset
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.018478 = 1.1641 BTC [-]
furuknap: Namworld: So far, the Swedes are the ones that attempts the smallest process of 28nm. Current AM is 130nm. It will take a long time to get smaller process right, as I understand it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 634 @ 0.018478 = 11.7151 BTC [-]
deadweasel: truffles, I think of #assets as more of a pulse than a clique, it's a good place to cut through the bitcoin FUD as it floods up to our necks.
deadweasel: stay here, stay close to the pulse of bitcoin.
pgp: nerve center of bitcoin world
ThickAsThieves: you're replying to "[10:44] <truffles> dont like monies now?"?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.01849555 = 0.9988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067238 = 1.412 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.9 = 17.1 BTC [-]
truffles: <ThickAsThieves> oh i see it now>> only cuz yesterday u said u loved money..
truffles: <deadweasel> i guess my interest just wanes with btc
Chaang-Noi: btc is full of drama, hardly 1 week goes by with no drama
Chaang-Noi: btc is sooo much better than hollywood
truffles: yea but is it my kind of drama
truffles: like ohmy shocking the price dips
deadweasel: the spamcoin nonsense has lowered the bar, which is hard for the forums.
pgp: way too much noise on forums for my tastes, though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.018521 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
pgp: i find that I mostly rely on links posted here for especially juicy stuff
deadweasel: me too, but there are some nuggets down there.
deadweasel: gotta mine the bitcoin, gotta mine the forums, gotta mine the IRC.
truffles: there were some interesting comments in the DHS threads
deadweasel: I liked numismatics write of the whole deal
deadweasel: optimator, have you drunk the spaten optimator?
truffles: its hard to laugh when theyre not well
optimator: deadweasel: you can't get it where you are?
truffles: if he's leveling then well played
deadweasel: it sure seems like there is a correlation between the loudest BTC voices the most mentally unstable.
Chaang-Noi: and being one of the more loud i would say yeah
deadweasel: optimator: I have gluten intolerance/yeast issues, so I had to give up bier 5 years back.
optimator: i think rpietilia nailed it with the word manic
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1048 = 1.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1049 = 0.2098 BTC [+]
deadweasel: don't say that, truffles takes offense to 'manic'. ;)
optimator: deadweasel: i just tried a sorghum beer - not bad
deadweasel: Red Bridge is good, but i LOVE Greens, they make nice bier for us gluten pansies.
Chaang-Noi: beer can be made from anything, and if it is cared for and done well, it will be good:)
deadweasel: way too much $$, and the yeast still gets me, so I stick to scotch and wine.
deadweasel: but your nick brought back happy optimator memories
optimator: you know normal people don't change the world
furuknap: Anyone know how many shares the 100TH people sold in the IPO?
Chaang-Noi: you dont need to change the world to win, but it can help :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 96 @ 0.01849555 = 1.7756 BTC [+]
truffles: changing the world is a tall order
furuknap: The people behind the 100TH project then...
deadweasel: Chaang-Noi: some new mining scam, probably.
Chaang-Noi: i know of most legit things before they happen
truffles: well when the DHS raids begin, maybe the btc drama will be super intense
mircea_popescu: i don't think picostocks and bitfury are actually related
mircea_popescu: other than the former's claims to investment in the later.
truffles: department of homeland security
Chaang-Noi: what are they going to raid? the block chain?
furuknap: From what I understand, the birst Bitfury batch is 200 TH, of which 100TH goes to the mine, 50 TH to Bitfury, and the rest to undisclosed private investors.
Chaang-Noi: nall the can do is lock up some fiat, who gives a fuck
furuknap: I just wanted to know how many IPO shares they sold so I could put it into a model to see if it's profitable.
deadweasel: < Chaang-Noi> what are they going to raid? the block chain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00067238 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: dont know enoghh about bitfurry :/ but sounds risky
furuknap: Hehe, you deduce that from the name?
Chaang-Noi: from the lack of people who i knew that invested in it or think its a good idea
Chaang-Noi: bitfury is a better name than bitfurry :)
furuknap: It is bitfury. So far as I've researched now, and excuse my noobishness if this is obvious, he's a Russian guy that had some incredible talent with FPGAs and then went on to design ASICs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 754 @ 0.01849555 = 13.9456 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: however if they claimed to get 100th with fpga and they sold stock on it, epic troll:)
furuknap: I've only seen him post in Russian, thought, and my Russian is a bit rusty.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018521 = 1.8521 BTC [+]
furuknap: No, they're slling it as ASICs.
Chaang-Noi: still, only chinese have made an asic, (other than bfls 5ghs)
Chaang-Noi: and if made in russia ill be impressed
furuknap: They claim the wafers are done and ready tro be bumped and packaged, yes. Expected delivery in two weeks.
furuknap: Doesn't have to be made in Russia even if Bitfury is Russian. The 100TH people are from Poland.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 94 @ 0.018521 = 1.741 BTC [+]
optimator: 2 weeks- does everything in the chip world in two weeks?
mircea_popescu: there, he put a 100 btc on the theory that he shows working asic doing < 1watt per ghs
mircea_popescu: furuknap the 100th people are claioming to have bought his stuff.
furuknap: Yeah, about 8 times 'better' than AM chips first gen.
furuknap: Yeah, I'll see if I can find the reference, I have about 28 tabs up right now.
mircea_popescu: which is a lot better than asicminer too, seeing how they still don't have the 12th promised for feb/march
furuknap: That's in chip production. 22 peta isn't exactly deliverable :-)
furuknap: AM has far more than 12 TH now.
Chaang-Noi: AM is having problems now with not enough places to run their stuff, they have it, just no internet/electric
furuknap: I think they're either pushing or have poassed 20 THs.
furuknap: They were scheduled to veliver 3-10 TH per week over the past two weeks.
Chaang-Noi: they also just sold a shit load of units cuz, people paid crazy prices for them
furuknap: It's been flat for about a week, though, and I think I read they had problems finding stable space, although that might be earlier.
Chaang-Noi: they have the hardware just not the space
Chaang-Noi: that is why they are focusing on selling and making the usb units now
Chaang-Noi: and at 2 btc each, why the hell not :)
furuknap: Yeah, but they need to sell a hell-uva-lot of them and so far the only order I've seen is a few hundred from a US group buy.
truffles: “My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” crowed one mom, who hired a disabled guide through Dream Tours Florida…
Chaang-Noi: there are about 10 group buys and some people getting more than 300
furuknap: The European group buy got mad attention after a /. post, selling around 800 in a day.
furuknap: I agree, but I'm sure hell post sales numbers after a while.
furuknap: Chaang: yeah, but not there's a retail thread with "mail me to buy" stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14291 @ 0.00067238 = 9.609 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: well honestly at this point, we just have to trust friedat
Chaang-Noi: but even so, we never were going to get 100% like we all want
Chaang-Noi: we have no idea how much he is paying for labor, equipment and the like
furuknap: I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities.
truffles: friedcat seems like the real most interesting man in btc
mircea_popescu: furuknap he's operationally good, or at least way better than everyone else in btc
mircea_popescu: financially clueless, but that;'s not exactly a crime, few op managers grok finance.
furuknap: mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit.
Chaang-Noi: anyone who can get 255 of the network is going to lack in some areas
mircea_popescu: well they've created a few problems for themselves with the horde of clueless investors, but anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i was clueless when i bought in, i only did it cuz of my past relatioship with him and he seemed like an honest guy. i had no idea how he expected to beat bfl
furuknap: Problem is, if or when there comes a correction, those clueless investors will cry 'bubble share' whenever they can, tainting AMs ability to appeal to serious investors.
ThickAsThieves: this also depends on how aggressive board seat holders wanna be
Namworld: Pretty sure that's called thievery
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8749 BTC [-]
Namworld: Sure, I bet the power companies hate it.
Chaang-Noi: i do think i looked into this before, i did not like what i saw
Chaang-Noi: wonder what will happen.. even if legit, could run into same issues as bfl and the chips just dont work
truffles: i keep hearing Piccolo every time its said..
furuknap: That's always a risk. Same can apply to AM 2nd gen.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda thought friedcat was smart going with the very very old tech
Chaang-Noi: and yes the second gen could fail, but AM has so massive deep pockets and the right contacts at this point
truffles: "1. You're nobody", isnt that where most people stop reading??
furuknap: Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race.
furuknap: He was right, and we've been bathing in gold ever since.
furuknap: The drawback of that strategy is that he still needs to get a proper racehorse at some point, and the process isn't going to be quicker for him. People think he can just snap his fingers and have 262 TH in production, but with the current tech, that takes a lot of space and he's already running into issues with that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
furuknap: Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips.
furuknap: My bad if that wasn't your intention.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01863 = 0.8942 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 119.9 again.. we cant get higher than that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01863 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: furuknap is what i meant. some guy "posting casually" in some forum thread is no argument for anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00066723 = 1.568 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chopard jewels worth more than $1 million have been stolen at the Cannes film festival
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
furuknap: Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts.
Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> bitcoin wearers unaffected. im going to make a necklace out of a casasicus 1000 gold coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.217 BTC [+]
furuknap: Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox?
gribble: There are currently 10058.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 118.0 USD, worth 1187353.50463 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8425 = 3.685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.835201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01865 = 0.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01865 BTC [+]
furuknap: This is the Battle of the $120. 10K sell before 122 too.
furuknap: Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00066723 = 0.1668 BTC [-]
furuknap: ...then you sell out and buy a mountain of cocaine?
Chaang-Noi: i dont need more hookers and coke money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067238 = 7.3289 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01825 = 0.0365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01820001 = 4.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]
furuknap: MP, any way to reach you in private?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.871 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: davout : the girl wants you to know that she's answered "spoken like a true gypsy" in the nigger thread but some mod beleeted it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.01849 = 0.943 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: we shall have a concert for the conference #2
davout: the fee for the music shall be equal to the fee for VIP registration
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: you got me there!
davout: mircea_popescu: pay me in alcohol and romanian women
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0184 = 0.9016 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0183 = 9.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 108 @ 0.0183 = 1.9764 BTC [-]
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01841 = 0.1841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01839 = 0.0368 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01839 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01839 = 0.0552 BTC [-]
furuknap: Even you won't be _that_ crazy...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01839 = 0.4598 BTC [-]
furuknap: TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT?
furuknap: No shit... What's that in BTC, then...
furuknap: I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes.
furuknap: ?? Isn't there around 10K on Bitfunder and 30K on BTCT?
furuknap: Ah, you're talking shares, not fractions. Got it.
Namworld: 10000 TAT ASICM = 100 ASICM = 3 BTC. x5% = 0.15 BTC or 18 dollars
Namworld: and 3 BTC is the last dividend which was high
Namworld: It's slow on the updating here
furuknap: Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume.
mircea_popescu: <furuknap> From the entire PT? Geez. << no dude. dividend was like 2%. he gets 1/20 iof that
ThickAsThieves: furuknap, I actually recall you were the fist one to give me shit about it
furuknap: Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it.
Chaang-Noi: wtf why did nam world say 125 is far from being dow, when it was gone?
ThickAsThieves: 5% of divs is entirely disproportionate a same to worry about considering the share value
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018312 = 0.9156 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: hmm i wonder if my having fiber is an edge :/
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8722 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018311 = 0.3662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00066943 = 5.255 BTC [-]
furuknap: Well, there is a major difference betwen being a PT operator and holding shares. You can be a PT operator and not hold a single share yourself.
furuknap: Of course you can. Why wouldn't you?
Chaang-Noi: just ask mp how profitable selling short 40,000 btc worth of pirate shit would ahve been worth.
furuknap: Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends.
furuknap: I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs.
furuknap: Actually burnside reaps from trading because it is his exchange.
furuknap: AM has been very, very profitable for him. That's why he took the fee away.
furuknap: Of course there is, but he's very clear about it.
Chaang-Noi: oh, i know burnside has a significant number of shares
Chaang-Noi: i sold them and had friedcat send them to him personally
Chaang-Noi: he could have sold 2 or 3 times what i sent, but i know he has many many many
ThickAsThieves: I'm not accusing so much as saying I think they SHOULD show proof
ThickAsThieves: Burnside would pass off his PT if it didnt have to be no-fee
Chaang-Noi: but really... have to read the contract
Chaang-Noi: some times naked short selling is fine
Chaang-Noi: he just wanted to keep people on his exchange, as he knew AM was the best hing evar
furuknap: I think I heard why DT runs his PT for free sometime, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.
Chaang-Noi: DT did it for free cuz ukto helped out DT in the past
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> we just dont know what << funny cause i'm just writing an article sort of on the topic
furuknap: I agree, and to me, it's a red flag.
Chaang-Noi: he gets a fee by having people lose a percent on every buy and sell
Chaang-Noi: he tried to get me to run the pt but i would not do it being a us site and all
Chaang-Noi: he talked to me personally,as im the guy who cooked him up so he could do it,. he just wanted it on his exchang first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he had an options contract with me held by jahn the dong
KRS1: whats with that wall at $125
Chaang-Noi: the only question was if friedcat would move them or not
Chaang-Noi: no one is seeing the same market at the same time, crazy shit
furuknap: Uhm... Did LTC just have a rocket up its ass?
Chaang-Noi: kako, keep uo with the almost weekly changing slang
kakobrekla: well Chaang-Noi thanks for providing slang updating service
furuknap: Actually, it's up about 10% vs BTC and 20% vs USD just in a couple of hours on BTCE.
furuknap: Dammit! I just sold one of my GPUs to buy LTC and didn't get the cash in time.
furuknap: Then you stay away, problem solved :-)
Chaang-Noi: yes, ltc is a joke, a joke so funny i made $500,000
Chaang-Noi: iv made so much more off of ltc than btc
taub: two new coins at btce...
taub: ftc and cnc what hte fug
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32275 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so far I love "I can’t have fun behaving uneconomically."
mircea_popescu: it's basically the same idea, "crafting is for fun not for making tria" vs "running pts is for fun not for making btc"
mircea_popescu: people are very much used to this basically nonsensical crap they spend their life in cause it's "easier"
ThickAsThieves: mp, the article is funny, but i was anticipating someting more directly bitcoin-provocative :(
ThickAsThieves: like "hey fuckface, show me the fucking proof and tell me all ur backroom dealz nao!"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.875 = 3.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.875 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.879 = 9.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.87998 = 5.6399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01839 = 1.839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2202 = 1.5414 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.220101 = 0.4402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.22 = 2.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.22 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01839 = 0.1655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.0183 = 0.5124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 205 @ 0.01830101 = 3.7517 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018301 = 0.366 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 315 @ 0.01830001 = 5.7645 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 432 @ 0.0183 = 7.9056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.01849 = 1.8305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.8795 = 18.795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0183 = 1.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.0183 = 0.732 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01849 = 0.0925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 13 @ 0.002789 = 0.0363 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason \women don't work for him is cause he's a creepy looking dude.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: " I’m trying to see if you’re building something and if so, on what, for whom, so I can figure out how to find you."
jcpham: what if the woman wants you to be her dominant partner
jcpham: and she wants to be the sub
ThickAsThieves: "This is amazing, thanks for posting this Ben! If Dwolla was located in Chicago I'd be applying for a front-end dev job right now."
ThickAsThieves: 'front end dev' is that what they call it these days ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22999 = 0.46 BTC [+]
furuknap: It is. Quite common term, actually. It's all HTML5 and moving things and stuff.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.002789 = 0.0251 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Possibly put an intern or Jenna (if she has time) on reach out duty"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0186 = 0.2046 BTC [+]
furuknap: I think a lot of the people right now are missing something, possibly vital too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01849 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01832 = 0.0916 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0183 = 0.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8725 = 7.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01821 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
furuknap: Damn, I so want to publish my numbers and model. I'll hold back, though. If I'm right, it's easily proven after the fact. If I'm wrong, it won't help anyone.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: its not like we have a log or anything.
furuknap: Heh, yeah, that'd stay secret for about, I don't know, 10ns?
jcpham: insider information welcomed anytime in #bitcoin-assets!
jcpham: no regulators here, just friendlies
furuknap: It's not a 'secret' per se, but if I'm right and publish in advance, I'll just be charged with trying to manipulate the price. I have no intention of manipulating anything. I have no insider information, just an analysis that shows there is no way for investors to recouperate their investments at these levels.
jurov: you have 10ns ping? /me want
furuknap: Besides, it's mostly targeted at surviving 2016. Most 'investors' now don't see past the next dividend. I doubt it will help anyone.
jurov: bitcoin pensionary fund operators might be interested
furuknap: It's really not that complicated. It makes a couple of assumptions. 1) With the current dividend level, AM will focus solely on churning out cash, not preparing for 2016 halving, and 2) in 2016 due to halving of revenue, share prices will halve too. If those assumptions are correct, you simply divide half the current share price over the number of weeks or months, subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
mircea_popescu: furuknap : make a statement of it, publish the hash of it
mircea_popescu: maybe also publish the wordcount, just in case kids don't comprehend hashing.
furuknap: I was thinking something like that, but really, is isn't required. The numbers won't change so they are the same in three months or a year and will just show the same results.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: > subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
furuknap: subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (which technically is also an assumption).
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8725 = 3.745 BTC [+]
jcpham: what's so bad about being charged with manipulating the price
furuknap: That's why it's an assumption, but really, AM must double their network percentage to maintain the same dividends. AM wasn't paying mining-based dividends at anything close to what they're expecting over the next years.
mircea_popescu: i doubt price formation has much to do with any sort of rational thinking.
jcpham: mining turds never repay
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1955 = 0.391 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the main components are 1. people wish to participate, they see mining as participation, they can't afford rigs so this is the next best
furuknap: Oh, I agree. People bay hundreds of dollars for an iPhone and that is just a piece of shit.
jurov: and you seem to imply that AM will be around in unchanged form 3 years from now, and also we won't increase blocksize (and thus txfees). which is pretty unlikely.
mircea_popescu: 2. people wish to be "together", this is like the one thing where they can be together
furuknap: The model actually assumes a certain block size increase.
mircea_popescu: it's like birds chipring to one another "op there's many of us we'll be safe chirp chirp"
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191001 BTC [-]
Scrat: supernodes are pumping the price
Scrat: fuck supernodes, man
furuknap: Yeah, and that herd is driving the price now, not anything fndamental.
mircea_popescu: jurov not increasing blocksize is what increases fees.
furuknap: Really, it doesn't bother me if people mindlessly run in one direction, but I'm somewhat bothered by having information that may help people not get burned. If they still want to stampede, fine.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [-]
furuknap: I doubt very many people realize all the factors in evaluating AM sustainability and are just seeing huge dividends, expecting that to stick around forever.
jurov: mircea_popescu: that remains to seen whether the demand is really so elastic.
ThickAsThieves: a number of your assumptions are also in contrast with known history
jurov: we need soros-level analysis instead of these maff nerds
jurov: he claims to take irrationality into account
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.845 BTC [-]
jurov: seems to work for him
furuknap: At some point, someone will do that math. Bitcoin mining is quite predictable due to its finite reward. If we had inflation, this wouldn't be a problem.
jurov: lol do tell me, i sell diff derivatives. but btc price is pretty much not predictable, and it affects am much.
ThickAsThieves: what if in 3 years, 80% of AM revenue is hardware sales
ThickAsThieves: what if in 2 years AM sells the company at a 25% premium?
furuknap: TAT: Yeah, that could be a solution, but to do that, there would need to be funds for research, production, marketing, etc, etc, etc. Right now, it doesn't seem like friedcat is willing to think that far ahead.
furuknap: They may sell, but they'll sell to someone far better at math than me.
furuknap: From pouring out as much dividend as possible. I'm not saying "No" to dividends, I'm saying a pile of cash in the hands of friedcat is better at ensuring sustainability than a ton of dimes in the hands of thousands of investors.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
furuknap: They wouldn't have to pay half that. People don't seem to realize that not paying dividends doesn't mean the money is burned in a forge.
ThickAsThieves: they are planning 1000TH before year's end as a conservative goal
furuknap: I know that has been said. I haven't been able to figure out how much.
furuknap: Well, it's really moot. I'll have my models in a year too, and even longer :-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8724 = 3.7448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.8724 = 5.6172 BTC [+]
furuknap: BTW, out of curiosity, if there came a tender offer on AM, how would the PTs handle that? Vote?
furuknap: That's my point. I'm sure the buyer would want to know whether they could buy...
furuknap: Board can't decide whether someone sells.
furuknap: If there was a forced buy-back... By whose authority would that happen? It would be according to Chinese law, I would presume. However, since the PT-holder don't hold shares, the buyback would be against the PT operator.
furuknap: I need to get to bed, I'm seeing wafer designs on the inside of my eyelids.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0182 = 0.2366 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.0182 = 3.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01855 = 3.71 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: where is mpoe bot?
jurov: smickles_ abducted him?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066943 = 2.2761 BTC [-]
jurov: ic, i can create any options i want and sell to myself. all solved.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872499 BTC [+]
taub: not a fan of the booze
KRS1: apparently gribble ass is
truffles: <taub> not a fan of the booze>> why not?
jcpham: we're drinking a homemade rye ipa
KRS1: powerball lotto is well over half a billion
KRS1: imagine being able to buy all of the bitcoins and still having more than anyone would know what to do with
KRS1: i would buy them all and tell you all to go find something else to do..like a boss
truffles: sitting in the vault collecting dust meh
Namworld: Coinroll really getting a good betting volume. And it won't IPO =/
jurov: truffles IPO your booze then
jurov: should appreciate over time... but delivery of dividends would be problematic
truffles: although i could get more with more..
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01821 = 0.0364 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01821 = 0.0911 BTC [+]
jurov: maybe ThickAsThieves could figure passthrough :DDDD
truffles: <Namworld> I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles >>> no wai lol
truffles: my partner would not like that i dont think
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8797 = 3.7594 BTC [+]
taub: i love the sierrachart jabs at mtgox
taub: >Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible.
taub: regarding the goxlag
taub: and that other one regarding socket io
taub: We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment.
optimator: jcpham: homemade rye is nice as long as the rye is in moderation
jcpham: homebrewing is legal now as of a few days ago
jcpham: thinking about starting
optimator: i'm searching for the perfect porter - that balances hops and sweetness
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [+]
optimator: it's funny the things the state tries to regulate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01855 = 1.855 BTC [-]
jcpham: funny i sold yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0186 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8798 = 3.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002577 = 0.0129 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 88 @ 0.002578 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 140 @ 0.002589 = 0.3625 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01821 = 0.1093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066701 = 2.8822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000667 = 6.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066578 = 1.9834 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01821 = 0.5281 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0186 = 0.093 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.01821 = 0.6374 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.002789 = 0.0139 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01849 = 0.8136 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00066984 = 3.2487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1694 @ 0.00067238 = 1.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0186 = 1.023 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
jcpham: "Wences Casares, founder of Lemon"
jcpham: the rota case guy runs a wallet
jcpham: i spend so much time in the dark in the cold.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01849 = 0.0555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
jcpham: it's probably beeter that i don't know who people are or give a shit
jcpham: so the bitcoin conference started today?
KRS1: mtgox has namecoin in their api too i did not know this..they must be at least slightly interested in the alt coins
jurov: ofc: Will Bitcoin be able to scale in the face of exponential growth? Mike answered "yes" and without the need for "Bitcoin banks" or supernodes.
jurov: we don't need nobody
Namworld: But I find it annoying to have so many apps/options
Namworld: Plus cards are easier to manage I say... nothing wrong in a physical wallet
Namworld: live balances is a cool feature tho...
Namworld: I'll wait till all cards are microcomputers and show live balances directly on them lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00067323 = 1.467 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5221 @ 0.00067326 = 3.5151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [+]
KRS1: wtf did someone say it was okay for gribble to take off on a friday like this? he doesnt even know whats going on in the market
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.87995 = 18.7995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.87995 = 28.1993 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.87998 = 33.8396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.879999 = 20.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.88 = 15.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.889 = 5.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.89 = 5.67 BTC [+]
jurov: sorry, gribble went to san jose
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01849 = 0.3698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.01865 = 7.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
KRS1: wtf he cant go to san jose..who is gonna cover for him
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0398 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: SDICE Profit This Month: -1298.65012061 BTC (so far) :/
optimator: de-U.S.-ing has it's short term costs
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.88 = 9.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01849 = 0.9245 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00067319 = 2.0216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01855 = 1.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002589 = 0.1295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0186 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
parseval: It feels like SDICE hasn't been expanding like it should have been.. and now, it's contracting a bit
parseval: I mean, using only the bitcoin network is great and all, but they left a bunch of money on the table there. At the least they should have been collecting some user data for return calls to action
ThickAsThieves: parseval, marketing, communication, and development are not needed for successful business
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.899999 = 9.5 BTC [+]
parseval: Speaking of which, my workday's done. Be back on in a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01885 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066603 = 2.8779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14279 @ 0.00066578 = 9.5067 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00279 = 0.0279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00279 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.00279 = 0.0167 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.010098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2179 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.75 = 8.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01885 = 0.4901 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.018738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01885 = 1.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 204 @ 0.01885 = 3.8454 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018738 = 0.9369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7347 @ 0.00066825 = 4.9096 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 130 @ 0.01885 = 2.4505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.01885 = 0.3205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01885 = 0.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018738 = 0.0562 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1915 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.019 = 0.114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018738 = 0.0375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 147 @ 0.01885 = 2.771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018738 = 0.1874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2903 @ 0.00067236 = 1.9519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.183601 = 0.5508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.0189 = 5.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.019 = 2.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01905 = 0.9525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0191 = 1.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.019145 = 4.7863 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.018738 = 0.6371 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01915 = 0.0383 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.0189 = 7.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018798 = 0.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 451 @ 0.01890001 = 8.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0189 = 0.4725 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0189 = 9.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 424 @ 0.0188 = 7.9712 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.018798 = 0.7895 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.019 = 0.418 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01899999 = 0.38 BTC [-]
truffles: seemed to have toned it down a tad bit
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
mjrIII: just hung out with erik a bit
mjrIII: saw some of the nyc guys
mjrIII: that is the point of conferences
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066579 = 2.8769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6779 @ 0.00066578 = 4.5133 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.018798 = 0.3384 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 427 @ 0.01899999 = 8.113 BTC [-]
truffles: maybe itll be 3 by the end of month
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2487 = 0.9948 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01882 = 0.1694 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so far this conference sucks compared to romania
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01882 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: damn, I hjave so many users logged in so many places
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01882 = 0.3199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 8 @ 0.191 = 1.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.018798 = 0.1316 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067325 = 2.9091 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01898 = 0.3796 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [-]
parseval: I think I need to work on those charts a bit more, people seem to like them
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.018798 = 0.282 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01874 = 0.0375 BTC [-]
parseval: I still need to add in flags for the dividends, and maybe make up some candlestick charts. Oh, and a USD->BTC comparison
parseval: Maybe something combining %pricechange and volume so we can visualize velocity a bit better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00067403 = 5.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2811 @ 0.00067458 = 1.8962 BTC [+]
KRS1: yeah like..was obama the best we could come up with?
parseval: That guy should move to litecoin instead, no asics yet
KRS1: we must look like a bunch of chumps to the rest of the world
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01898 = 0.4365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
error4733: "Just stop mining, so the difficulty will go down and it will be more profitable for me. Grin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01899999 = 1.007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.01899999 = 0.893 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 111 @ 0.01899999 = 2.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00279 BTC [+]