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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00095537 = 5.3501 BTC [+]
mod6: ahh, yeah made that bot that does atc stats. want me to add it in here mp?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Congrats to talented and beautiful @LaurenMBias for her award from @NYULYP for commitment to community, philanthropy and entrepreneurism."
dub: hmm the farm I buy my olive oil from has been for sale for a while, IPO?
mircea_popescu: ima get a fucking aneurism.
mircea_popescu: mod6 please
mircea_popescu: "All but one of the individual winners of Pulitzer Prizes in journalism this year were male." << this is particularly funny in romanian
mircea_popescu: ;;ud puli
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Puli | A massive chav; someone with no class. Often fond of wearing tracksuits, caps and gold chains.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Puli
mircea_popescu: ;;ud pula
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pula | pula. the Romanian word for dick/cock. Imi bag pula-n mãta. Esti o pulã bleagã. Sugi pula la ... "Mooom, would you give me 5 pula i wanna buy a condom". "Look  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pula
mircea_popescu: well puli is teh plural.
mod6: Ok, will do. It has the ability to broadcast x-bt atc/btc trades as well, its not turned on by default.
mod6: Let me know if you'd like that as well.
mircea_popescu: that may be a little much
mod6: agreed.
mircea_popescu: maybe have it print the day's average once a day ?
mod6: it has a !ticker command. that should suffice.
mircea_popescu: can it do that ? like 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC {144} sort of thing
kakobrekla: on demand is fine really
mircea_popescu: or that yes. better.
mod6: *nod*
mod6: one moment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095704 = 1.8184 BTC [+]
mod6: !up BitOTTer839
assbot: Voicing BitOTTer839 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !ticker
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
BitOTTer839: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: needs a diff control sequence huh
kakobrekla: change the prefix or command
mod6: ok, give me a minute. i'll change it to like '%' or something
mircea_popescu: ~ ?
kakobrekla: !! ?
mircea_popescu: !!ticker
mircea_popescu: doesn't that bother assbot ?
kakobrekla: i wouldnt think so, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: mod6 also, make it short. ~t
kakobrekla: you can do 8====D if you want
mod6: lol
kakobrekla: and 8=D for short tiny one.
mod6: ok mp, i'll add another short code for it.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: so this makes how many bots, 7 ?
mod6: so '%' ok then? i don't want to interfere with assbot
kakobrekla: 4 ?
mircea_popescu: !up pankkake
assbot: Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: I'll decline to comment on what I may or may not be doing to ATC prices
kakobrekla: ass gribs ozzy and now bitotter
mircea_popescu: mpexbot
kakobrekla: ugly name btw!
mircea_popescu: there's the scammer hunter bot
kakobrekla: right that thing.
mircea_popescu: that's 6. was another too
mircea_popescu: !up pizzaman1338
assbot: Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot pizzaman1338
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user pizzaman1338: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=pizzaman1338 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pizzaman1338 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1338 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: its 1337 in the wot
pankkake: isn't it 1337?
mircea_popescu: it is ?
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1337
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
kakobrekla: you also rated him already
mircea_popescu: a ok.
mircea_popescu reaches for his lechitin
pankkake: came to say reading http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs has been my dirty pleasure
mircea_popescu: pankkake did you ragequit earlier ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00095704 = 25.4573 BTC [+]
pankkake: I am a ragequitter at heart
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
dub: french after all
pankkake: anyway
pankkake: yeah, perhaps
mircea_popescu: dude i never made someone ragequit before.
mircea_popescu: and i thought you werre supposed to be like a pro troll or some shit anyway
thestringpuller: https://www.startup.sx/ << has this been discussed?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla crypton is also a bot.
kakobrekla: what for
pankkake: I'm a cocotte minute
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this'd better be about sex.
mircea_popescu: "A Regulated Global Marketplace for Startup Investing and Funding"
mircea_popescu: meh
mod6: !up BitOTTer872
assbot: Voicing BitOTTer872 for 30 minutes.
mod6: %t
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
mod6: %help
BitOTTer872: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no about page other than a desk.com account, and a bunch of spinoff websites (http://curacao.sgggroup.com/en/dutch-carribbean-securities-exchange ) etc.
mircea_popescu: quite snugly fit on the scam stock exchange mo. bitcoin as a bonus i guess.
mircea_popescu: %book
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 70000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000248 BTC
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 10000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000245 BTC
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 65000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000240 BTC
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 99000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000200 BTC
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 100000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000170 BTC
BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 75000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000160 BTC
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly needs to put it all on one line
mircea_popescu: preferably 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k @200 100k @170 etc
mod6: ok. ill work on that a bit. that's probably the most verbose one. all the others are one line iirc.
mod6: give me a few here...
mircea_popescu: no big rush
BingoBoingo: %mined
BingoBoingo: %atc_mined
BitOTTer872: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15500800 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.77
pankkake: %tslb
mod6: %last_block
BitOTTer872: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30276 Time: 2014-04-27T23:21:28Z Vout Sum: 1024 Number TXs: 2 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000003dd8261d1ee537732c6b0434f21e16cf0cf31d40d032ebd7559 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 779 Days Destroyed: 704 Confirmations: 1
kakobrekla: did you register his nick?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like how they say it's "regulated"
kakobrekla: er, its nick
mircea_popescu: mod6 %lb ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Kapil Bhatia Kapil Bhatia is in the digital banking industry in Qatar. " << that happens to be a common name and also the name of some indian billionaire.
kakobrekla: i can add him to cs if the nick is reg
mod6: kako: no not yet.
mod6: (i mean, i haven't regiestered it yet)
mircea_popescu: the guy they depict however is none of those, and moreover the only reference yo ucan find to "SSX Advisors Corp" is on their own websites.
mod6: It has a random 1-1000 number on the end, I can make it just 'BitOTTer' though.
kakobrekla: is that free even
kakobrekla: and whats with the capital 'OTT'
kakobrekla: i dun get it
mod6: ok, lemme hack in a few changes. i'll leave this one connected for the time being.
mod6: it's all part of the tools "Bitcoin Options Trade Tool" package/suite
kakobrekla: ah i thought it was 'Over The Top'
mod6: haha, it might be.
kakobrekla: if its atc specific you might call it something related to taht
dub: scambot
pankkake: buttbott
pankkake: but I like scambot
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller on the other hand, their domain whois claims it was reg'd by Brian Niessen, who is an actual somebody.
kakobrekla: scambot you say? might as well just call it max keiser then
peterl: mircea_popescu: looking at mpif contract, "The General Manager may also destroy Fund shares the Fund holds at any point", does the manager take out btc, or do the shares just get destroyed?
mod6: lol
mod6: i'll call it 'atcbot' that would make the most sense.
mircea_popescu: Registrant Name: Brian Niessen Registrant Organization: SSX Holdings CorpRegistrant Street: PO Box PW 5334 Registrant Street: Babrow Building Registrant City: The Valley Registrant Country: ANGUILLA
kakobrekla: call it atcmax
mircea_popescu: peterl if the fund owns them, they can just get destroyed
peterl: aha, misread, missed the "the fund holds", nevermind
mircea_popescu: yeah the venue is basically if pc5 ends up with too many shares
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller anyway, i dropped them a tweet, maybe they show up and impress.
mircea_popescu: "It's lame in a way you are more concerned about privacy of your "bank account" than creating and promoting growth and fostering a close tight knit community. It's more important to you your MSC stake or "bank account" stays private than fostering closer tie with the community who allowed you to have this "bank account" in the first place."
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/E5rZVJU.png - winter in romania
mircea_popescu: pankkake ok the guy's kinda amusing. almost livejournal level
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 309 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0921% in 1d 19h 34m 31s
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/a-nins-3.jpg
thestringpuller: lol is she peeing?
mircea_popescu: yea
thestringpuller: unabashful
mircea_popescu: me 1 imgur 0. yay.
mod6: is this acceptable?
mod6: (17:50) < atcbot> 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160
kakobrekla: seems fine to me
mod6: ok, thx.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 981 @ 0.00095537 = 0.9372 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nice.
mod6: !up atcbot
assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
mod6: ty :)
mod6: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
mod6: %book
atcbot: 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly tho, try cutting the 3 0s in the first term to k
mircea_popescu: and express as satoshi rather than bitcoin
thestringpuller: oh shit game of thrones
pankkake: mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. the only thing I found missing was aligning at the @
pankkake: s/display/enable/
mod6: ok. not a big deal, need a bit more time for that mp.
mod6: pankkake: ok yeah, i didn't bother trying to align yet. if you want me to, I can change it over to doing the trades in #altcoin.
mod6: hang on a sec. I'll do that first.
pankkake: standard string formatting stuff usually can do it easily
kakobrekla: standards ewwww.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095706 = 14.5473 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: ping me when you register the thing
pankkake: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
ozbot: Novena | Crowd Supply
mod6: pankkake: you should start your bot back up. mine has a bug somewhere, gotta debug it. haven't flexed that part of the code much yet.
mod6: I'll work on that too. But meanwhile... ok?
pankkake: done, I'll stop it when you want
mod6: much appreciated, pankkake
mod6: !up atcbot
assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
mod6: %book
atcbot: 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k@200 100k@170 75k@160
mod6: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 240 Last Price: 230 24h-Vol: 871k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 193
mike_c: such volume.
BingoBoingo: %tslb
mod6: it doesn't do that yet BB, best we can do now is %last_block
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30279 Time: 2014-04-28T01:28:39Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000000ba03eceaee28a05554dec1cac0f6e924e0b3d3dd2632abdabb0 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: confirmations 1 ?
mod6: *shrug* it's in the JSON: http://atc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
mod6: pankkake: so not sure why it died there. it didn't get back a null result, or it would have spit out an error, but whatever it was, wasn't valid JSON. needs some debugging in there.
mod6: I'll work on that. Thanks for starting yours back up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 890 @ 0.0001261 = 0.1122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8085 @ 0.00012525 = 1.0126 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: ;;google Mojo Jojo
gribble: Mojo Jojo - Powerpuff Girls Wiki: <http://powerpuff.wikia.com/wiki/Mojo_Jojo>; List of The Powerpuff Girls characters - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Powerpuff_Girls_characters>; Cartoon Network-Mojo Jojo is on Who Wants To Be A Millionare ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQIwIy7_bU>
decimation: The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.
decimation: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/09/1828.html
ozbot: Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,828
decimation: stupid chat client: Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact. The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you are an emacs fan; what IRC client do you like? I'm trying to follow the path to becoming a competent emacs/lisp user
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00464805 = 0.3718 BTC [-]
mod6: ok bare with me a moment, gonna see if I can get this thing registered with nickserv & have it identify on_connect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095832 = 3.8333 BTC [+]
decimation: I've played with zenirc and ERC
mod6: ok here goes..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16482 @ 0.00095537 = 15.7464 BTC [-]
mod6: !up atcbot
assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
mod6: kakobrekla: ok it's registered with nickserv.
mod6: I was like wtf about the block conf's too, but blockr.io show's 'em for btc blocks too.
kakobrekla: !down atcbot
mod6: ninja
kakobrekla: should work
mod6: the bot is a work in progress, let me know if stuff needs to get added/subtracted/modified and I'll work on it.
mod6: obv tslb is desired, that'll be near the top BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49804584 = 1.4941 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 131 Ask: 150 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 1345k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 183
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 100k@175 45k@169 25k@150 | 250k@131 170k@121 4k@111
mod6: heh 1345k
mod6: (17:27) <+mircea_popescu> mod6 %lb ? << i'll make this change too, i'll change the commands so their much shorter.
BingoBoingo: It's something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00095832 = 22.233 BTC [+]
mod6: shorter command names on next restart/connect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00095508 = 0.191 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: is it public knowledge how much ATC MPIF is working with?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It will be when the first public statement is revealed.
BingoBoingo: Otherwise you can parse the logs for references to amounts and get a rough idea of the size it started at.
ThickAsThieves: and the first public report comes with the first ability to but shares?
ThickAsThieves: buy*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456 = 0.1368 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It should.
ThickAsThieves: "New Vulnerability Found in Every Single Version of Internet Explorer"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095931 = 16.5001 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: haha
mod6: now there's a shocker
BingoBoingo: http://mashable.com/2014/04/26/big-data-pregnancy/
ozbot: How One Woman Hid Her Pregnancy From Big Data
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49964657 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49970747 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344999 = 0.276 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00095502 = 8.5474 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 100k@150 6k@135 100k@134
artifexd: That's pretty
artifexd: mod6: wd
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/imposture/
ozbot: Imposture
mod6: thx artifexd :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00095337 = 24.2156 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/dq8y6Ps.jpg <- made me think of you
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Thank you.
BingoBoingo: My favorite part is that with two pieces of wire and a soldering iron you could convert the dopamine to methamphetamine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00095543 = 29.5228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095741 = 6.7019 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095382 = 15.5473 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/04/speed-reading-apps-may-kill-comprehension/
ozbot: Speed reading apps may kill comprehension | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444 = 0.1066 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00451316 = 0.185 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/04/holy-shit-im-rich.html
ozbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Holy shit I'm rich!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00095301 = 16.1059 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00095632 = 33.6625 BTC [+] {3}
bitcoinpete: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/whos-minding-the-nuclear-weapons/
ozbot: Who's minding the nukes? - CBS News
bitcoinpete: floppy disks ftw!
bitcoinpete: "the equipment is ancient. This, for example, is one of the computers that would receive a launch order from the president. It uses floppy disks! The really old, big ones."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0009576 = 13.3585 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well... Why not floppy disks
bitcoinpete: "And they're using really, really, really old computers. I saw a floppy disc and not a floppy disc that size. It was gigantic."
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: zero reason not to
bitcoinpete: other than neomania
bitcoinpete: "I'll tell you, those older systems provide us some -- I will say huge safety when it comes to some cyber issues that we currently have in the world."
bitcoinpete: "A few years ago we did a complete analysis of our entire network. Cyber engineers found out that the system is extremely safe and extremely secure on the way it's developed."
BingoBoingo: I mean what other computers would be running launch systems? Some 28nm ARM thing that runs Java?
bitcoinpete: "We're not up on the Internet." <<def helps
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: or a used ps3
bitcoinpete: "The land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, the ICBMs, that we saw are just one part of the nuclear triad that includes missiles on submarines and bombers. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that operating and upgrading all three legs of the triad is going to cost at least $355 billion over the next 10 years."
BingoBoingo: Still less expensive than the F-35 that doesn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00095189 = 20.656 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: So this random dude e-mails me recently, offering to set me up with ltb's adam levine for an interview about maidsafe
bitcoinpete: cuz i'm an expert on them or something
bitcoinpete: and i don't know levine already
bitcoinpete: so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev"
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Australia is buying 58 of those F-35's :\
bitcoinpete: naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Seem like a lot of countries are
bitcoinpete: does the guy of pgp/gpg? nope, "The PGP/GPG stuff has been on my list to figure out for a few months, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I've only recently started caring (somewhat) about security since getting into Bitcoin."
BingoBoingo: Damn
bitcoinpete: sounds like a perfect power ranger candidate. i hope he's cool being blue
BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
bitcoinpete: cazalla: canada is too
bitcoinpete: we were talking about 65 of them to the tune of $25M or so
bitcoinpete: $25B*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068996 = 0.138 BTC [+]
cazalla: still, i'd rather the au gov spend the money on planes than more and more welfare
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07010101 = 0.2103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00095805 = 47.6151 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06899838 = 1.173 BTC [+] {5}
bitcoinpete: cazalla: if those are the choices, then sure
bitcoinpete: defense > decay
cazalla: i don't vote so i guess i don't have a choice not that i would even if i did
Naphex: morning
Naphex: http://www.ziardecluj.ro/sfantul-efrem-ocrotitorul-clujului-repara-calculatoare-si-tamaduieste-constipatia
ozbot: Sfantul Efrem, ocrotitorul Clujului, repara calculatoare si tamaduieste constipatia | Ziar de Cluj
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095913 = 24.6496 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GSe078iCTP0/U115yU-dK4I/AAAAAAAAauo/IfmgIKDrvPI/s1600/north+korea+customs+declaration.jpg
bitcoinpete: north korea keeps it simple stupid
BingoBoingo: Best Korea for a reason
bitcoinpete: "There’s a very simple way to distinguish actual people from non-people. It’s not whether their grandmother was Jewish or their hair is curly, it’s not whether their skin tone is this or that shade of purple, it’s not even if they do well in school, suck cock rapturously, work hard, obey the laws, go to church, respect their elders, floss, whatever the hell else. None of that matters."
bitcoinpete: "Actual people are always on the lookout for games to put skin in. Everybody else just knows better, from the waysides."
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu on the money
bitcoinpete: http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/
ozbot: Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bitcoinpete: and that's a wrap!
HeySteve: http://awesomenator.com/content/2011/10/north-korea-pokemon.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0689998 = 2.001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6308 @ 0.00095568 = 6.0284 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186
mircea_popescu: %b
mircea_popescu: %book
atcbot: 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150
mircea_popescu: mod6 splendid :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: 24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lol growth eh ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1770000*186
gribble: 329220000
mircea_popescu: 3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin.
mircea_popescu: Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/im-sick/#comment-99383 :p
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: mornings
mircea_popescu: hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point?
mircea_popescu: yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful.
fluffypony: ok cool
mircea_popescu: maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match.
fluffypony: I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute?
mircea_popescu: yes but each month the stock has an average price
fluffypony: ah ok
HeySteve: details on that payment splitting service: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/provably-fair-bitcoin-split-payments-have-arrived/2014/04/27
mircea_popescu: https://hashcat.net/oclhashcat/
ozbot: oclHashcat - advanced password recovery
mircea_popescu: whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com bitevery
gribble: NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2013&bots=true>
mircea_popescu: google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: :D
Naphex: good day today
mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/
ozbot: New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time | Science | WIRED
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://www.doxologia.ro/viata-bisericii/marturii/sfantul-efrem-cel-nou-deblocat-programe-informatice-reparat-fisiere-corupte and soon with bitcoin recovery :))
mircea_popescu: hopefully he gets extradited.
Naphex: if you haven't seen it
Naphex: :)
mircea_popescu: Naphex lmao wut.
Naphex: “Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta”
Naphex: so... :D
mircea_popescu: Naphex is that this guy http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ ?
mircea_popescu: (ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?)
Naphex: :))
mircea_popescu: lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah
mircea_popescu: moiety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR_oNJIcAAfFVX.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ - "unspeficied"
mircea_popescu: hahah
mircea_popescu: that's too cute to fix
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ?
ozbot: BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year
moiety: awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest!
mircea_popescu: Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History™ has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres
mircea_popescu: s.
mircea_popescu: teh soviets are coming hurray hurray
mircea_popescu: this is so 1978
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ?
mircea_popescu: well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess.
mircea_popescu: or what did you have in mind ?
Apocalyptic: as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution.
mircea_popescu: pankkake:
mircea_popescu: mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen scrat
gribble: scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/imposture/ << ok, this rules.
ozbot: Imposture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095804 = 16.3825 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: fuck that confused me
fluffypony: http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: BBET is listed as paying from Jan
fluffypony: when first dividend payout was Feb
mircea_popescu: well yes but it was for the month of jan
fluffypony: yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much
fluffypony: for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend
mircea_popescu: this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month.
HeySteve: <+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership.
mircea_popescu: whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0674425 = 0.2698 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here.
HeySteve: do you mean this channel or Bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: i mean this channel, mpex, etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: plz check - http://markable.in/file/534b17d2-ceb4-11e3-9cd6-984be164924a/
HeySteve: Bitcoin should be a sovereign
mircea_popescu: just pastebin it, i aint js.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima.
HeySteve: this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: that matters :))
mircea_popescu: like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it.
mircea_popescu: im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no js on the page
HeySteve: that sounds dangerous for the villagers
fluffypony: or none that needs to execute to see the table
mircea_popescu: HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed.
mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ?
fluffypony: I'll pastebin the markdown source
fluffypony: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4kE1TrR7
mircea_popescu: wrong years lol
fluffypony: whoops
mircea_popescu: Mar 2013 | 17 | 122
fluffypony: fixed those last 3
fluffypony: apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00096052 = 25.6459 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too
fluffypony: can do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00096116 = 0.1182 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014.
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16410 @ 0.00095947 = 15.7449 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. "
mircea_popescu: someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?!
fluffypony: could be worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_(energy_drink)
mircea_popescu: now that is true. pussy is an energy drink.
mircea_popescu: "3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus."
HeySteve: there are worse options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309547.0
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as
fluffypony: law
fluffypony: lawl
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people.
mircea_popescu: they have this well patined sense of humor.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket.
mircea_popescu: typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage.
mircea_popescu: somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs.
mircea_popescu: and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there.
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how these things work out
fluffypony: bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat?
cazalla: difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible
HeySteve: Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains
HeySteve: https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e104-tree-chains-with <- worth a listen
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2135
ozbot: BitBet - TradeFortress arrested
fluffypony: comment spamz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete:
mircea_popescu: so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc
cazalla: i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there ☟︎
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate
moiety: BingoBoingo: seriously?!
BingoBoingo: moiety: About what?
moiety: bitbet
mircea_popescu: cazalla nutty.
fluffypony: cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR?
fluffypony: :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0674425 = 0.1349 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx"
moiety: cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors
mircea_popescu: ^
cazalla: moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with a patient heh - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2167211/court-hears-dapto-doctor-defend-examination/
cazalla: there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late
mircea_popescu: "A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder."
moiety: "I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her
dub: that deserves stella award
moiety: deserves a smack in the face
moiety: they have tools for that kind of thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00095915 = 8.947 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot
mircea_popescu: soooo ?
fluffypony: when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level
fluffypony: it updates your keyring
fluffypony: how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver?
mircea_popescu: you export their pubkey
fluffypony: --send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level
fluffypony: oic
mircea_popescu: but... the trust level it's your own
moiety: she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton
mircea_popescu: and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place.
fluffypony: well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence
mircea_popescu: moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?!
fluffypony: because that's a great basis for "trust"
mircea_popescu: what is she, insane ?
moiety: no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist
mircea_popescu: fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard.
mircea_popescu: hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs
moiety: she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997
mircea_popescu: it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh
mircea_popescu: moiety heh. so dude was creepy.
fluffypony: moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another
fluffypony: and gotten her therapy fees back with interest
moiety: i think this was his plan fluffypony
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to.
fluffypony: werd
moiety: mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00096178 = 51.2148 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue.
mircea_popescu: it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant.
mircea_popescu: former option much better.
moiety: this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street
fluffypony: lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups."
mircea_popescu: but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you.
mircea_popescu: tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them.
fluffypony: which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586230.msg6418858#msg6418858
mircea_popescu: curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala"
mircea_popescu: route
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution
mircea_popescu: !up HoreaV
assbot: Voicing HoreaV for 30 minutes.
moiety: re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment?
moiety: trust*
mircea_popescu: why should "professional" exclude flirting ?
mircea_popescu: you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important.
Naphex: ;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of BTCXchange.ro
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user HoreaV has been recorded.
moiety: asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho
mircea_popescu: a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options.
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is he sucked, basically.
moiety: bottom line. ^ yeah
fluffypony: or that he *wanted* to be sucked
mircea_popescu: ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old.
moiety: i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... patient's call.
mircea_popescu: i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call.
moiety: thats often a comfort thing
moiety: and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted
mircea_popescu: kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level.
moiety: male midwives get a hard time too
mircea_popescu: HoreaV hey there ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot davide
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user davide: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=davide | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davide | Rated since: never
HoreaV: mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187
HoreaV: ;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at BTCXchange.ro
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user Naphex has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate HoreaV 1 btcxchange.ro
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HoreaV has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00095596 = 29.2524 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045101 = 0.451 BTC [-]
cazalla: moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00096077 = 22.1457 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00096436 = 44.2159 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17935 @ 0.00096269 = 17.2658 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096043 = 21.1295 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00096515 = 11.7748 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06724331 = 0.6724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06724331 = 0.1345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0075 = 0.3975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00096572 = 11.2506 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00096609 = 14.8778 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00096346 = 18.3057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00096624 = 16.8126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51123251 = 1.0225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046345 = 0.4635 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06724331 = 0.2017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0345 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03450588 = 0.2415 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0409979 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450687 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0409979 = 0.41 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0409979 = 0.287 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04099792 = 0.369 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04099999 = 0.123 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0009663 = 24.6407 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00445218 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00096646 = 11.9358 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4768 @ 0.0009666 = 4.6087 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
kakobrekla: since you are here fluffypony , re this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587244.msg6434861#msg6434861
kakobrekla: you might as well link them: http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it
kakobrekla: aha
pankkake: it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP
fluffypony: kakobrekla: does blogs.bitcoin-assets.com auto-update or is it manual?
pankkake: I'm the one running it
fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up
pankkake: and it's every 37 minutes or so
fluffypony: oic oic
pankkake: I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one)
pankkake: next step is a bot to notify of new posts
fluffypony: nice
fluffypony: maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes?
kakobrekla: pankkake do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly
kakobrekla: ah right
pankkake: it's a cron, so everything is static
kakobrekla: 37 minuts
kakobrekla should read moar
pankkake: it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :)
kakobrekla: well how about you post a new post notification to me?
pankkake: I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that
pankkake: otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect
pankkake: but if I can avoid polling myself…
kakobrekla: i can make assbot polll
kakobrekla: its not ideal but yea
kakobrekla: json would been better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3}
HeySteve: RyS eh
fluffypony: rys?
HeySteve: from the thread you link, rethink your strategy
fluffypony: oh yes
fluffypony: that thread got really trashy
fluffypony: still a fun read
HeySteve: heh OP started it that way
fluffypony: yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!"
fluffypony: as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P
pankkake: he got really really mad
HeySteve: people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources
pankkake: that crumbs guy is a hero
HeySteve: seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible
pankkake: HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask…
fluffypony: yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense
fluffypony: show me 1 calculation with sub-totals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;google change clothes and go
gribble: JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6G1uwe20wg>; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-change-clothes-lyrics>; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/changeclothes.html>
BCB: who runs Cryptostocks.com
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: BCB: does it not say on the site?
thestringpuller: lol
BCB: anonymous registration
BCB: I never heard of htem
BCB: them
BCB: you
thestringpuller: never used them
BCB: anyone know Vircurex
pankkake: BCB: a guy named kumala
thestringpuller: vircurex is canadian no?
BCB: pankkake: who is kumala
BCB: thestringpuller: eys
BCB: yes
BCB: what about havelock investments
pankkake: no idea, besides a bitcointalk username
thestringpuller: so havelock is definitely in scam territory now?
thestringpuller: good thing i vacated
thestringpuller: !last h b.mine
assbot: Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-]
fluffypony: pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up
thestringpuller: fluffypony don't use rss then
thestringpuller: >::P
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :)
thestringpuller: you're a special one aren't you?
pankkake: I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business"
fluffypony: OH
fluffypony: it's at the bottom
fluffypony: see it
fluffypony: tks :)
fluffypony needs more coffee
pankkake: but I've had an instance of it not updating trilema, so maybe it wasn't there earlier
BCB: thestringpullerso havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: because it is doing untrustworthy things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC
mike_c: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around
fluffypony: he was here earlier
fluffypony: quit like an hour ago
mike_c: no x.eur's for sale.
pankkake: maybe there is an eur shortage
kakobrekla: ha-ha!
Naphex: kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands?
mike_c: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kakobrekla: nooooooooo!!!111
mike_c: assbot please send donation
Naphex: ;]
kakobrekla: !help mike_c
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kakobrekla: fuck
kakobrekla: doenst that work
kakobrekla: :(
mike_c: assbot please send two donations
kakobrekla: lel
Naphex: probably should reply that with privmsg/notice
Naphex: :P
kakobrekla: yes i think it does under some circumstance
Naphex: is that an eggbot? or some standalone?
mike_c: assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow
kakobrekla: its a thing i made many years ago Naphex
pankkake: reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/? seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness. you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC
kakobrekla: myea thats a point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-]
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets. is that the plan?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: *MPIF
mike_c: i can't stop calling it pif. two syllables is one too many.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
mike_c: BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track.
fluffypony: piffy?
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <mod6> thx artifexd :)
Naphex: so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core
Naphex: and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking
Naphex: for a first implementation do notification with:
Naphex: A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC
Naphex: B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems
kakobrekla: this ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
Naphex: whats that? - first look is just watch only
kakobrekla: arent you doing watch only notif
artifexd: Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial.
Naphex: artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core.
Naphex: for the exchange i use something else entierly
Naphex: this is not related, just offtime stuff
Naphex: i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin
artifexd: Have fun and good luck
Naphex: what's the luck for?:P
danielpbarron: what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet?
danielpbarron: (linux -- which one?, bsd? )
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: this is where I slap you
danielpbarron: please do
thestringpuller: in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer
thestringpuller: generate addresses offline print them on paper
thestringpuller: send coins to the paper wallets
thestringpuller: store wallets in safety deposit boxes
thestringpuller: with backups in europe and asia
danielpbarron: ugh
thestringpuller: maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one
danielpbarron: already do that
danielpbarron: i want to do offline transaction signing
artifexd: thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage.
danielpbarron: i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions
artifexd: Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place.
danielpbarron: unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong
thestringpuller: lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever?
thestringpuller: isn't there trusted software for that by now?
danielpbarron: that's what i'm asking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC
dexX7: hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: http://dpaste.com/1801925/
Naphex: danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff
Naphex: and keep it clean and bare
danielpbarron: which distro?
Naphex: i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine
danielpbarron: i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo
Naphex: whatever you can install the cleanest
danielpbarron: gentoo was harder but much nicer when done
Naphex: make sure you use filesystem encryption as well
danielpbarron: what about the bsd variant to which MP donated
thestringpuller: freebsd?
Naphex: to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft
fluffypony: OpenBSD
thestringpuller: ask mod6 bout dat
danielpbarron: idk
Naphex: you can use whatever you want, except windows
Naphex: but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare
dexX7: anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further
danielpbarron: lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]
Naphex: firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know
Naphex: and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software
danielpbarron: not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices
Naphex: dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale
kakobrekla: dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet?
Naphex: danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: as source for the data?
Naphex: connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it
dexX7: aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client?
Naphex: either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub
Naphex: yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1
dexX7: mind to share a link?
Naphex: its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone
Naphex: i will when there is something working
Naphex: even if its not final version
Naphex: but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations
thestringpuller: Naphex: like what?
thestringpuller: offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part
thestringpuller: you can't trust the TCP/IP stack
Naphex: uh, what's that related to?
Naphex: for notifications?
thestringpuller: for anything
thestringpuller: the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software
thestringpuller: cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap
dexX7: ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information?
Naphex: thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC
Naphex: if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine.
thestringpuller: depends on the transaction volume
Naphex: you trust the sig
Naphex: thestringpuller: for example, current hot wallet software
Naphex: won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust
Naphex: if the user's OTP is not valid
Naphex: now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature
Naphex: now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
Naphex: even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected
Naphex: its a dead end
thestringpuller: so you keep the keyring hot?
thestringpuller: that's all that matters
Naphex: only the hot wallets
thestringpuller: uh no
Naphex: which are hot by design
thestringpuller: there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet
Naphex: for incoming or outgoing?
thestringpuller: outgoing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+]
Naphex: so you want to sign transactions offline?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2}
thestringpuller: why wouldn't you?
Naphex: why would i when i want a hot instant wallet?
thestringpuller: why do you want a hot instant wallet?
Naphex: so clients can withdraw in an instant
Naphex: they want it too
thestringpuller: ...
thestringpuller: this is where I rage quit like pankkake
Naphex: :))
Naphex: look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot
Naphex: but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT
Naphex: and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold
Naphex: but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email
Naphex: after a phone call
thestringpuller: no you're not
danielpbarron: what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install?
thestringpuller: mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals
mike_c: hm, JD seems to be down.
pankkake: thestringpuller: :o)
Naphex: thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge
Naphex: mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now
Naphex: so he can do whatever with it
thestringpuller: Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach
Naphex: maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards
pankkake: if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine!
danielpbarron: what about random number generation?
pankkake: good point
Naphex: thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC
Naphex: it was probably worth it
Naphex: and you can get it out of your pocket
thestringpuller: no, it wasn't
thestringpuller: MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds.
thestringpuller: please direct me to another facility of such high standards.
Naphex: i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet
benkay: "yet"
Naphex: well put it like this
Naphex: the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have
Naphex: or break HMAC-SHA256
thestringpuller: or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely
thestringpuller: because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running
Naphex: they can't
Naphex: server can only get clean, hard messages
Naphex: everything else gets dunked a long way from there
benkay: tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex
benkay: what does the message look like?
Naphex: for example
Naphex: forgot that :P
Naphex: signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid
pankkake: you never know where security bugs are
Naphex: OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever
Naphex: messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message
Naphex: so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message
benkay: are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em?
Naphex: then server checks signature, then checks otp
Naphex: i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before
Naphex: and they check and validate the protocol and messages before
Naphex: just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end
mike_c: mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)
thestringpuller: mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago
asciilifeform: gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ?
Naphex: asciilifeform: i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers
Naphex: i will soon be implementing GPG OTP
Naphex: so there
asciilifeform: the hardware.
asciilifeform: afaik - as closed as it gets
Naphex: asciilifeform: http://static.yubico.com/var/uploads/pdfs/Security%20Evaluation%202_0_1.pdf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
Naphex: i'd recommend the system over gauth
Naphex: and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it
asciilifeform: Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure?
asciilifeform: i see no description of the internals.
Naphex: of the hardware?
asciilifeform: correct
Naphex: doubt their open
asciilifeform: they're not.
Naphex: but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around
thestringpuller: what's the point of 2 factor?
asciilifeform: the hardware makes a promise.
asciilifeform: we cannot see if the promise is kept
jurov: thestringpuller: mpex did lose few bitcoins due to human errors, don't paint mp as saint
jurov: manual process does have disavantages, too
thestringpuller: true but far less than say bitcoinica
Naphex: i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it
Naphex: i don't place maxtrust on it
Naphex: but it's a level above
Naphex: don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :)
asciilifeform: it's never a question of 'maxtrust'
asciilifeform: for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey?
fluffypony: on the topic of SeedCoin: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
asciilifeform: the closed aspect suggests, 'none'
jurov: thestringpuller: burnside (of btct) trolled coinbr hard, because mpex keys are online
jurov: but they must be somehow online for ppl to be able to trade
thestringpuller: offline/online
benkay: fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page.
thestringpuller: sorry misreading your sentence
pankkake: well, GPG allows you to be partially online
fluffypony: benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke
Naphex: asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret?
pankkake: unless it signs with the main key
Naphex: which you would need to generate a valid otp
asciilifeform: Naphex: for instance.
fluffypony: benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them
kakobrekla: mike_c : http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/ < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao
benkay: i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama.
asciilifeform: a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed.
mike_c: kakobrekla: perfect, thanks.
Naphex: asciilifeform: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/04/paper_yubikey_sca.pdf apperantly it got sca'd some time ago
Naphex: Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the
asciilifeform: there we go.
Naphex: vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has
Naphex: taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated firmware
Naphex: (version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version.
Naphex: so yeah they had to tape the button
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9573 @ 0.0009692 = 9.2782 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: interesting lack of detail about vendor's response.
Naphex: there is a response bit more down
Naphex: something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH
asciilifeform: that's a response?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC
Naphex: guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed
Naphex: or taped
Naphex: so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size
Naphex: i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm
asciilifeform: nothing to do with trojans
asciilifeform: the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith
asciilifeform: i.e. - close,
asciilifeform: and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution
asciilifeform: *closed
Naphex: well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys
asciilifeform: you're still handling private keys
Naphex: for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user
asciilifeform: just in a box
asciilifeform: that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer
Naphex: you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers
asciilifeform: you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ?
Naphex: you only need client's pubkey
Naphex: asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point
Naphex: if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth
Naphex: to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what
Naphex: i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3572 @ 0.0009692 = 3.462 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ?
Naphex unplugs yubikey out :)
Naphex: well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin'
Naphex: i'd buy one
Naphex: ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
Naphex: ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token
gribble: Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer.
Naphex: psh
Naphex: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
Naphex: noob me, forgeting syntax
kakobrekla: Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub
pankkake: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1.
asciilifeform: Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve
asciilifeform: ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue
benkay: what does yubi nominally promise?
asciilifeform: benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger.
benkay: hue
diametric: me too
Naphex: for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.00709698 = 0.2271 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret'
Naphex: and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals
asciilifeform: even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise
Naphex: asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key
Naphex: so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP
Naphex: i validate OTP against yubiservers
asciilifeform: since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.'
asciilifeform: extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario
asciilifeform: vendor has the key.
asciilifeform: does he need to? the way it is designed - yes
artifexd: If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable.
Naphex: true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet
asciilifeform: likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce
asciilifeform: etc
benkay: can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home.
Naphex: some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases
asciilifeform: you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor.
Naphex: at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages
asciilifeform: in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products.
Naphex: it still needs that stuff to do damage
artifexd: The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it. Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage.
Naphex: you don't have to go that deep
artifexd: That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know.
asciilifeform: all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example.
kakobrekla: gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only
Naphex: you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp
Naphex: but that attack needs to be targeted
Naphex: and gox had the keys
asciilifeform: fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth.
Naphex: of course
benkay: all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party.
Naphex: said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key
Naphex: so..
benkay: not holding party's problem, though.
asciilifeform: yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does.
artifexd: benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network?
artifexd: It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine.
Naphex: artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP
artifexd: Yeah. I have several.
Naphex: ah sorry, i missread
artifexd: benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded. I was questioning that.
Naphex: ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that
benkay: artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies.
artifexd: And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20383 @ 0.0009692 = 19.7552 BTC [+]
benkay: so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to?
benkay: it sounds weird and i don't trust it.
benkay: contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard.
artifexd: Similar to the transparency of... openssl?
benkay: bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison.
artifexd: Open source compared to open source. The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy.
benkay: however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust.
benkay: this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two.
benkay: hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg?
benkay: the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that.
Naphex: for me its still about risk reduction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06566806 = 0.197 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal
thestringpuller: Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head
thestringpuller: 4*
pankkake: you couldn't, I don't have my passwords
Naphex: sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet
Naphex: :P
Naphex: maybe i can ask an emergency question?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00096938 = 3.2959 BTC [+]
Naphex: and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you
pankkake: :D
thestringpuller: why not consolidate all 4 to gpg
Naphex: you can set some really abstract question
Naphex: thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it
Naphex: we are planning on reaching regular folks as well
Naphex: not just the crypto community
Naphex: but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication
Naphex: and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs
Naphex: so there's that
Naphex: https://www.btcxchange.ro/order - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point
ozbot: btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00096914 = 23.114 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097105 = 6.3118 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: sf2? oh lawd another one?
mike_c: there are so many good companies for them to invest in! they need more funds.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: incredible
Naphex: BTCTrip is nice and works well
fluffypony: Naphex: that's the exception to the rule
fluffypony: it's actually a completed product
fluffypony: have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck?
fluffypony: or BiTnews
Naphex: nah, the rest look like bull
Naphex: http://ignitefinancing.com/operators/
ozbot: Operators | Ignite Financing
Naphex: rly
thestringpuller: ;;google major tom venture bros.
gribble: Major Tom | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aqvIU1dkD8>; Major Tom - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's Republic of ...: <http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Major_Tom>; Ghosts of the Sargasso - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's ...: <http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Ghosts_of_the_Sargasso>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16071 @ 0.00097275 = 15.6331 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00097436 = 10.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50188389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00453622 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00097529 = 32.4655 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067799 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096973 = 6.4002 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
jurov: !up belcher
assbot: Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up MiningBuddy
assbot: Voicing MiningBuddy for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up dR3
assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
dR3: Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =)
jurov: :)
jurov looks whether SF1 paid any divs ..nope
jurov: so not one of their startups is profitable yet.nice
thestringpuller: they are gonna show us howt hey run this show
mike_c: they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon.
thestringpuller: i'd rather put money in mpif
thestringpuller: or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet...
thestringpuller: :P
jurov: http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/Seedcoin_incubator_nov_2013.pdf lol dividends aren't even mentioned
jurov: that's ridiculous
jurov: http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/SFI_IPO_prospectus.pdf says
fluffypony: who needs dividends, jurov?
fluffypony: investors should just throw money at it
jurov: SFI unit holders are entitled to receive dividends indirectly from the Fund's startups which have a
jurov: dividend distribution plan.
jurov: how indirectly?
jurov: guess the dividend plans are guarded with utmost secrecy :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067799 = 1.017 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: asciilifeform: care to elaborate?
asciilifeform: ;;google nonlinear keyspace
gribble: Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_key>; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.2582>; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher: <http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/628.pdf>
jurov: so you suspect AES for certain keys is more easily crackable? how so?
asciilifeform: jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature
jurov: because it was never proven otherwise? i can see that
midnightmagic: history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0009754 = 22.1416 BTC [+] {3}
midnightmagic: (aside from weak keygen)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions.
mike_c: it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances. that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31991 @ 0.00097572 = 31.2143 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook.
mike_c: yeah. definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ ticker DUN"
fluffypony: well that's the end of that
jurov: lulzbourse is easy to use????
jurov: the interface is rather chaotic
jurov: and all orders expire in 3 days
fluffypony: jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list
jurov: so you have to log in every 3 days if you want to maintain standing order
fluffypony: except say "I want to list"
fluffypony: in fact
fluffypony: I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin
jurov: oh i misunderstood... easy to use system for an issuer, not for the user
fluffypony: yep
fluffypony: :-P
moiety: my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 577 @ 0.001 = 0.577 BTC
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/25/10/enhanced-buzz-22480-1398437911-8.jpg must be for cinco de mayo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
fluffypony: LOL
fluffypony: have to show my wife that
fluffypony: moiety: I mentioned manuls
pankkake: lol a hilight on manuls
moiety: alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash
moiety: hi pankkake :D
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul?
moiety: that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls?
moiety: also herroo BB :D
asciilifeform: fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness
moiety: you are a genius
diametric: asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going?
asciilifeform: diametric: had to switch to 4-layer.
asciilifeform: diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid
diametric: damn
moiety: i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well
pankkake: a manul ate it?
moiety: unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D;
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs
fluffypony: she knows I would never
moiety: the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs
moiety: ^ this
fluffypony: we have Basenjis
fluffypony: they'll take a Manul on
moiety: oh wow they dont bark do they
fluffypony: nope
fluffypony: they yodel
moiety: yodelling dogs!
moiety: i know the ones!
moiety: they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length
BingoBoingo: They look like malnourished strays
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: lol
moiety: just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis
moiety: you would be horrified at greyhounds
fluffypony: they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped
asciilifeform: basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays.
fluffypony: yer`
fluffypony: if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island
fluffypony: say, Australia
fluffypony: and come back in 100 years
fluffypony: you'll have an island of Basenjis
BingoBoingo: Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Black_Terrier
jurov: !up justusranvier
assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up mius
assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Or its ancestor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Water_Dog
BingoBoingo: 'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
Naphex: sounds in tune with youtube russia :)
Naphex: gn
moiety: rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo
BingoBoingo: just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though.
moiety: night Naphex sleep well :]
moiety: nothing is effective against a manul!
fluffypony: moiety: except a pack of Basenjis!
fluffypony: :-P
moiety: well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment?
moiety: BB start the BitBet nao!
moiety: put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P
moiety bets on manuls
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: moiety I would
fluffypony: but
fluffypony: I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul
moiety: dead happy manul*
moiety: dead = very in scotland
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: moiety here
fluffypony: http://imgur.com/a/1I7tm
ozbot: Basenji fight - Imgur
fluffypony: that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha
fluffypony: (the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye)
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184
mircea_popescu: so how was the difficulty ?
mircea_popescu: %block
mod6: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65
mircea_popescu: aty
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 180 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s
moiety: fluffypony: wow what a shame D;
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9
gribble: 6.5246758848e-05
mircea_popescu: 0.00006524 by diff.
fluffypony: moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P
moiety: fluffypony: like hamsters
fluffypony: there we go
fluffypony: giant, yodelling hamsters
moiety: XD bahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key.
asciilifeform: somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people.
fluffypony: it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password"
asciilifeform: may as well say that it beats being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a tattered thread of skin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? << no, you woke up in a parallel universe where microsoft is still a business model.
mircea_popescu: not THAT paralel.
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key <<< see, there. that's the value proposition : it allows the operator to say "sorry, fuck you" to the user in terms that are socially acceptable,
mircea_popescu: unlike the bitbet style, which while being exactly the same thing, is socially unacceptable.
mircea_popescu: artifexd> That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. << afaik blowing their key does make it unable to use the servers, because you see, the true beauty of stupidty : they actually narrow the keyspace (significantly) to make their product vendor-lockedin
mircea_popescu: ie, not all keys work, key has to satisfy magic yubikey criteria on top of entropy
pankkake: lol
pankkake: oh was that why the mtgox keys worked only with mtgox?
mircea_popescu: <benkay> all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. << welcome to... 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake yup.
artifexd: The code to run a yubikey server is open source so you, I, or anyone is welcome to swap out the key and run their own server.
mircea_popescu: they used same principle, except (afaik) even shittier implementation
mircea_popescu: reduced space even more
pankkake: that's like the password things that require you to have "at least one number, one capitalized letter, one symbol"
mircea_popescu: kinda worse, tbh
mircea_popescu: <benkay> hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? << gpg may still have a bug or two in there.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> we are planning on reaching regular folks as well << tbh, as long as you ernestly offer the strong version, nobody can hold it against you that you also offer a convenient version.
mircea_popescu: as long as the user can choose, you're scott free.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. << i forget, what was the eventual return on that thing ?
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> (aside from weak keygen) << and aside from planted holes.
mike_c: sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
mike_c: so not bad for havelol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03447 = 0.6205 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: mike_c: I'd love to know what they're going to do since GoCoin rejected their investment
fluffypony: so now they have this pile of BTC that was meant for GoCoin
fluffypony: or OkPay
fluffypony: or whatever it's called
mike_c: i'm sure they will find someone willing to take it.
fluffypony: GoCoin
fluffypony: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
ozbot: Seedcoin Fund I Update: No GoCoin, What Next?
mircea_popescu: today i learned Basenji is a sort of dog.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03447 = 0.3102 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: o wow all caught up with log. check me out!
mircea_popescu does a little all caught up dance.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ah, almost worse than dr foreskin
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they'll buy virtual mining shares.
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: this concept where they return the investment is obviously too much for teh forum.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: What is the way in which purchasers of f.mpif are expecting to make money? Increase in nav? Dividends?
pankkake: my last encounter with jimmothy points to that :/
mircea_popescu: artifexd well substantially, my thinking is that one does not simply kill berkshire, one also makes a replacement. if one's polite, at least.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
mircea_popescu: so in general, the share should appreciate through tracking its nav.
artifexd: That implies that you do not expect to issue regular dividends. Correct?
mircea_popescu: dividends will happen if there's no rational use of capital comensurate with historical gains, so if the thing makes ~10% pa for a while, and there's no way to beat that, i'd start distributing capital
pankkake: it's in the blog post iirc
mircea_popescu: artifexd correct. it even says as much.
mircea_popescu: " It may pay a dividend during any period I determine this expedient, but there is no promise of monthly dividend (nor does such a thing make any sense whatsoever, for most companies)."
artifexd: Well. Crap. I hate asking questions when the answer is in black and white.
mircea_popescu: eh no big deal, you don't have a charged history.
mircea_popescu: everyone can get away with a few.
pankkake: no one should be blamed for tl;dring trilema
mircea_popescu: anyway : because i actually included pc5 explicitly, the share actually has a clear mechanism to track nav pretty closely.
mircea_popescu: this i personally regard as a structural and significant improvement over berkshire.
fluffypony: hah hah pankkake
pankkake: there's no public nav for berkshire?
fluffypony: I normally have to gloss over Trilema posts 5 or 6 times before I remember what it was about
Namworld: Returning the investment is not something that the forum can digest you say? So if I complete repaying all my lenders, all hell will break loose on the forum?
fluffypony: Namworld: I think the world will come to the end
mircea_popescu: pankkake eh i wouldn't go as far as that
pankkake: fluffypony: I'll eventually make a script to put them on my ereader. maybe I'll read them all then
mircea_popescu: Namworld in a word, yes.
mircea_popescu: pankkake see, the problem is you don't fly enough.
Namworld: Seems like a good reason to not give up then.
mircea_popescu: i know at least a dozen people who read trilema while travelling. catch up with a month's worth on an intercontinental flight
pankkake: I have had some productivity streaks while on the train
pankkake: that's actually why I don't mind long *comfortable* travel over short inconfortable
mircea_popescu: btw, what's the worst time to have a productive streak ?
fluffypony: on the toilet
mircea_popescu: when you're riding a bird.
pankkake: I usually solve problems when peeing
mircea_popescu: (scottish bird = girl)
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: btw, what's with the brony power puff nick ?
mircea_popescu: faghaters were inquiring earlier.
fluffypony: oh I saw that in the log
fluffypony: ok so when I was young, maybe 22 or 23
mrstickball: what's up with this stock? https://litecoininvest.com/security/HFLTC
mrstickball: 100% APY
mircea_popescu: "this one time, in band camp..."
mrstickball: pretty vague stuff, wondering if its a ponzi
fluffypony: I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company)
fluffypony: and they were known as fluffy puppy and fluffy bunny
fluffypony: never asked why
fluffypony: at any rate, we went on a team building weekend away
fluffypony: got slaughter-house drunk with them whilst the nerds went to sleep
fluffypony: and they decided to give me a nick name
mircea_popescu: before or after the oral sex ?
fluffypony: so in the wee hours of a debaucherus night/morning they decided my nick name would be fluffy horse
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: inbetween and all around
artifexd: Isn't that known as "fluffing"?
fluffypony: artifexd: that came up as part of the convo that night ;)
mircea_popescu: is this story a subtle suggestion you've got a nigger hose ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: *wink*
fluffypony: anyway, I thought fluffy horse "sounded gay"
mircea_popescu: don't wink at me, i don't twink that way
fluffypony: and they thought "fluffy pony" was much better
fluffypony: which was "lol funny joke"
mircea_popescu: lol o i c, fluffy pony is less gay. right. what'd you drink, paint thinner ?
pankkake: maybe in an ironic way
fluffypony: till they started calling me fluffypony and FP in emails and at Friday afternoon drinks
fluffypony: and it stuck
mircea_popescu: well cool story brony.
mircea_popescu: glad i asked.
fluffypony: well it's better than some of my nicknames in the 90s
fluffypony: I think I was death-0ver0rd on Dalnet for like a year
mircea_popescu: artifexd fluffing is when a youngish girl that aspires to one day make money from porn tries her inept damdest to get up the overworked penis of some druggie pronstar guy
fluffypony: *shudders*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06750616 = 0.8101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20086 @ 0.00097079 = 19.4993 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00554001 = 0.1108 BTC [-]
jurov: mrstickball, you can inquire Mr. Miquel J. Pavón Besalú for lulz if you want provided you publish the convo,
mircea_popescu: http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/04/28/b-of-a-math-error-halts-dividend-increase/
ozbot: B of A math error halts dividend increase | America's Markets
mircea_popescu: check tghis shit out.
jurov: i'll give you his addy
mrstickball: do you know anything about him, or are you just asking me to PM him and post convo for lulz? jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-]
jurov: he asked me to list HFLTC on coinbr
mrstickball: Ahhh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26247 @ 0.00097351 = 25.5517 BTC [+] {2}
mrstickball: I saw that he was looking at listing on Coin Brouse, but was unsure how that interaction worked
jurov: he is there
mrstickball: so he wanted to use coinbr to get on mPEX?
jurov: i preferred not to ask, sent him straight to read trilema
mrstickball: I see
jurov: that fell to deaf ears
mrstickball: odd that he believes that he wants to invest as a hedge fund but not read up on exchanges..
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade answered your comments.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are most romania young ladies hot?
thestringpuller: seems like Romania is the new Brazil
mircea_popescu: they're hungry and they walk a lot.
mircea_popescu: it helps.
jurov: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up jborkl
assbot: Voicing jborkl for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24168916 BTC
mircea_popescu: hey where's my 7% a week
mrstickball: I thought Romania was the poor man's Poland, which is the poor man's GDR
jurov: lol such stereotype heaping
thestringpuller: did ReutersEmily ever make an mpex article?
mircea_popescu: not afaik.
mircea_popescu: i imagine if she did she'd have come back and dropped a line
thestringpuller: I'm reading up on the march 21st logs, just wondering what came of the IRC interview.
benkay: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 doges << ftfy
benkay: manul for atc mascot?
benkay: !up blackwhite_
assbot: Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: is it like an altcat ?
benkay: better than a lolcat
benkay: not quite the dragon of btc
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller since then we've had another reuters chick recently
benkay: was there a recursive bitbet recently?
thestringpuller: are there logs there?
thestringpuller: err
thestringpuller: lemme just google
thestringpuller: benkay: recursive bet?
benkay: not necessarily recently
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Ukyo
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Ukyo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukyo | Rated since: never
benkay: something like 'this bet resolves as yes if there's more yes than no'
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust utko
benkay: more btc bet on yes i mean
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user utko: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=utko | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=utko | Rated since: never
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust ukto
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ukto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ukto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ukto | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "pura vida"
gribble: #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>
fluffypony: oh well that's helpful
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: google is like a paragon of useless.
benkay: submit to the personalization, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller Apr 23 05:03:11
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! << haha mircea_popescu has a love hate relationship with google
benkay: <mike_c> sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
dub: has s.mpif a blogsplanation?
mircea_popescu: yeah. actual hate and ironic love.
benkay: ;;google trilema wunderbar spif
gribble: No matches found.
benkay: ;;google trilema wunderbar mpif
mircea_popescu: dub http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/>; Gloria pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/>
mircea_popescu: benkay weird how that works huh
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema wunderbar smpif
gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema smpif
gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google smpif
gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; The Legend of Malin Kundang by Muthy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPjMv1Zef0>; PV#1 Light Novel Indonesia "TOP IDOL!" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRKmyeXj6s>
dub: oh yeah I think I read that after 24 hours travel
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/c30kXfU.jpg
thestringpuller: AH one from Central mexico
benkay: <fluffypony> I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) << including you?
thestringpuller: hahaha
fluffypony: benkay: pretty much, I've never claimed to be beautiful
fluffypony: my wife certainly didn't marry me for my looks
mircea_popescu: the only thing about him is the way that he walks.
mircea_popescu: he can't even dance.
fluffypony: heh heh
fluffypony: hot sun, beating down, burning my feet just walkin' around
mircea_popescu: my black stony heart is so satisfied today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00445035 = 0.267 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: so web of trust I think gets more accurate over time
mircea_popescu: this romanian party, was ruling party. a year or so ago i quit, and quite publicly told them to either bring me the head of the then-president or else there will be no fucking party.
mircea_popescu: they just split, lost the government, are probably going straight to the history books.
fluffypony: poetic justice
mircea_popescu: ah, the sweet pleasure of the utter destruction of schmucks that thought they knew better
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that'd be accurate
thestringpuller: well i've been doing gettrust on known scammers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03447 = 0.1724 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo, moiety: http://i.imgur.com/mENwWpL.jpg
thestringpuller: the WoT blatantly says "Nigga don't trust these guys"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually i would imagine its accuracy is a linear function of the average length of noncircular paths.
moiety: fluffypony: aww! i wonder if they followed on land too!
thestringpuller: hmm, paths that have definite endpoints?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00097011 = 12.8404 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: moiety chicks only follow you the way they wanted to go anyway :D
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller paths that include any given segment at most once
mircea_popescu: (segment = direct path between two nodes)
thestringpuller: Ah I see.
thestringpuller: So that would mean the more connections the more accurate?
thestringpuller: or would that just be a side-effect of what you're describing
mircea_popescu: the "deeper" connections
moiety: <mircea_popescu> my black stony heart is so satisfied today. << what did you eat?!
mircea_popescu: pasta
moiety: pasta is good for the soul :]
mircea_popescu: i'm the grandmaster of white sauces.
asciilifeform: anyone here own 'yubikey' ? got it to cough up its fw?
benkay: !up blackwhite_
assbot: Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.unrest.ca/evaluating-the-security-of-the-yubikey
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like it only mentions the server-end crap
artifexd: asciilifeform: I have one that I'm willing to sacrifice to the cause but I have no idea how to do that.
mircea_popescu: "- The Yubikey personalization app saves a .csv logfile with the programmed key values meaning a malware-based attack may discover the log files on block devices even when the files have been deleted"
artifexd: I'd be willing to mail it to you if that would be useful.
mircea_popescu: artifexd only after he finishes the cardano
asciilifeform: artifexd: sadly, i'm otherwise occupied. but you are encouraged to do it yourself
asciilifeform: note that yubi is braindamaged even if there is no obvious flaw in the hardware
asciilifeform: (see log)
asciilifeform: just boggles me mind that people swallow this shit.
moiety: i think you should send me some sauce so i can test this statement mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: a no, gotta wear a steel collar to be tasting this thing.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform its not like its cake or death dilemma
moiety: i was shown those neokey things a while ago
asciilifeform: 'we're all out of death, gonna have to be cake'
moiety: lol fair enough mircea_popescu
fluffypony: asciilifeform: he is by far my favourite comedian
benkay: !up coingenuity
assbot: Voicing coingenuity for 30 minutes.
benkay: what's up coingenuity
benkay: SUCH PUN
benkay: !up mikaeldice
assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
mikaeldice: Hi benkay
benkay: hi mikaeldice what's news?
mikaeldice: Nothing new.. I've been wondering for a while if there is a better forum than bitcointalk, though.
benkay: just irc
benkay: the log
benkay: and blogs
fluffypony: bitcointa.lk is much better
mircea_popescu: benkay that pun took me three passes.
benkay: just another dumpun. don't break yourself.
thestringpuller: :D
thestringpuller: ;;seen alexsanjose
gribble: alexsanjose was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <alexsanjose> if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com
moiety: i just realised i used later tell earlier probably wrongly because i was looking at the wrong part of the people list
mikaeldice: I'd like to see bitcoin companies start using a more transparent accounting system that's more detailed than the blockchain. It wouldn't really cut down on fraud, but it might make the incompetent more noticeable and accountable.
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
fluffypony: mikaeldice: they could just publish their monthlies and prove they have access to the funds they claim by sending it to a public address
mikaeldice: Thanks, mircea_popescu, I've read that post before and enjoyed it.
mircea_popescu: so then what are you talking about ?
benkay: fluffypony: wouldn't simply signing with the addr key suffice?
mircea_popescu: that's the accounting standard, bitcoin companies do use it, etc.
mikaeldice: I was thinking more of an open ledger which automatically updates with expenditures from preset addresses. The user adds a justification, maybe associates an expense account to it
benkay: sounds like a DAC
benkay: burn it with fire
fluffypony: benkay: they may move things around during the month for operational purposes (change addresses in a wallet etc.), so moving it into one address is a very quick operation
benkay: fluffypony: what fraction of corporate funds are you expecting to be in hot storage?
fluffypony: benkay: depends on the type of business
mircea_popescu: why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea.
benkay: girl is using the mini sledge to pulverize peanut brittle
thestringpuller: why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. << like when people try to put the square block into the circle hole?
mircea_popescu: what';s a mini sledge ? like a mega peanut ?
mikaeldice: Well, the problem is that things aren't getting done the right way. The system you outline in your website is a good one, but few people use it.
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice all bitcoin corps use it, actually.
benkay: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: mikaeldice: the reason it isn't being done isn't because it's complicated
mikaeldice: Are you narrowly defining what a bitcoin corp is? Taking a look at the securities forum, it's almost not in use by most of the scams and incompetents there. When there is reporting, it's late and/or incomplete..
fluffypony: it's not like if you create an easier system all the scams will be like "ohai, let's be legit!"
mikaeldice: True, but the goal would be to generate red flags on incompetence more than anything
fluffypony: mikaeldice: that would need to be done BEFORE investing
fluffypony: mikaeldice: also, re: what is a "Bitcoin business" - http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice but the scams and incompetents aren't bitcoin corps. i mean it's like saying turbojet propulsion isn't used by model airplanes. sure.
mircea_popescu: they're... not jets.
benkay: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/JuokHV6
mircea_popescu: and so your goal is quite visible, isn't it.
mircea_popescu: s/goal/flag
mikaeldice: True
mircea_popescu: benkay not bad!
benkay: lol now she's complaining about the fact that i stole her beer
benkay: told her 'when dinner's actually done then you can have a beer'
mircea_popescu: you got a 70lb chick in the house that cooks with the use of a hammer and wants beer ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16627 @ 0.00097228 = 16.1661 BTC [+] {2}
benkay waits for the punchline
mircea_popescu: :D
benkay: besides, who ever knows what they want.
BingoBoingo: !up mikaeldice
assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.43, vol: 19086.14496026 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 7481.73286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.02, vol: 16133.4219149 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 14.56566507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.757808, vol: 3683.01370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.18059, vol: 6.12265595 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.6492, vol: 112.2489882 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 439.460971498
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/28/the_fbi_arrests_new_york_congressman_michael_grimm_for_fraud_perjury.html
ozbot: The FBI arrests New York Congressman Michael Grimm for fraud, perjury.
BingoBoingo: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-moment-a-mississippi-tv-station-evacuated-for-a-tor-1568929551/+barryap
ozbot: The Moment A Mississippi TV Station Evacuated For A Tornado
BingoBoingo: I throw that out, because the storm sirens are engaged.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00097487 = 4.0681 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: srs question for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00461057 = 0.4564 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip
mircea_popescu: cc.
mircea_popescu: WITH raisins.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013
benkay: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00096981 = 9.8339 BTC [-]
jurov: !up mikaeldice
assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
moiety: white chocolate chip and cashew nut cookies ftw
pankkake: ew
fluffypony: here is a present for hipsters
fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-29/
moiety: lub lub lub
fluffypony: and with that I go sleep
asciilifeform: 'congressman can also have problems.'
pankkake: nice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17860 @ 0.00096934 = 17.3124 BTC [-]
moiety: omg look what i just saw!! Here he is again! http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/12/baby-turtle-eats-strawberry1.jpg
asciilifeform: grimm is a textbook case of 'can also have problems.'
asciilifeform: we are, of course, unlikely to learn what it was he refused to play ball with. because people having problems can also have problems.
thestringpuller: that's pretty deep
BingoBoingo: problems beget further problems
thestringpuller: "because people having problems can also have problems"
kakobrekla: >>The Mcdonalds of webcam based adult entertainment is my goal.. And I will keep working at it until I achieve it!
benkay: kakobrekla: whassat?
kakobrekla: forum
mikaeldice: I wonder why he needs a whole franchise when a single site would be sufficient..
mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well