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punkman: "A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such an affront to freedom that I could not be party to its use under any circumstances whatsoever." -- RMS
ascii_butugychag: flycheck does not come with emacs and probably will not until rms dies.
ascii_butugychag: rms did not accept it into emacs tree.
ascii_butugychag: i would argue that an illiterate kid who sees nothing wrong with copying bits is every bit as sane in this regard as RMS
asciilifeform: see for instance rms
assbot: Logged on 30-12-2015 20:12:17; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw rms' turd actually runs better under x11 on os x than under the native windowing system
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw rms' turd actually runs better under x11 on os x than under the native windowing system ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336704 << was copyrightability of softs in usa still a disputed thing when rms wrote this ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: start reading rms' side of the "how i [didn't really] invent emacs" for the lulz, stay for the glory.
ascii_field: this may be edging into rms&gcc territory, but the inscrutability of the turd did its part in keeping the original net from forking to death - by ensuring that all of the forks were retarded 'swap the genesis' rather than any serious improvement of the compatibility-breaking kind
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm told there are times when even rms runs js !
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recent rms/everyone else fallout over whether llvm is good or not and gcc should or shouyld not expose the ast
mircea_popescu: we now know enough - through our own work of digging and torture-extracted confessions, no less - to estimate that a large if not the largest pillar of the insanity was rms&co misguided quest to protect "but people want to read the code".
asciilifeform: one is the microshit/palladium/fritzchip/treacherous computing (see rms essay by same name) totalitarian batshit
asciilifeform: ^ see also rms on subj.
jurov: well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)
mircea_popescu: rms poses as strong, is weak, on this word taken at its word fsf is born, then i have to contend with "fucking awards"
ascii_field: or only if rms's ?!
mircea_popescu: "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style << i still maintain pretty much any version of gimp is better than photohsop.
mircea_popescu: https://gnunet.org/ev << relatively little relation to rms/fsf. our friends the diddled in diddly-germany.
mircea_popescu: im not bothering with rms anymoar. prolly like the libc improvements, he doesn't understand what it is and whatever, more words to put on website
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was nyoozworthy because fsf/rms
phf: well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email, sms, incidentally that is also last version i can find my way around (pretty sure massive amd/intel commit blogs came later), but it's impractical to use it as main system, unless you go to extreme measures of "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style
asciilifeform: RIP rms.
asciilifeform: this means, presumably, that fsf/rms signed off on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that rms began long before 'personal' variety of computer was worth a sparrow's fart.
asciilifeform: but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is.
asciilifeform: emacs in a recognizable form long pre-dated rms.
asciilifeform: rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eben moglen did 90% of what rms is famous for.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in terms of actual work done, rms is not that far behind
mircea_popescu: not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 21:43:42; asciilifeform: 'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way.
mircea_popescu: "I was amazed that they were able to persuade RMS not to block the conversion to C++, and as the article points out, five years of plugins have not led to disaster;"
ascii_field: not only that, but rms is not mircea_popescu and the thieves would cry 'stop thief', sue inventor for using own item, and win.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258454 << the only reason why we still have something like open source softs to kick around is that rms did this. ☝︎
phf: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform has referred to rms doing this with i believe a compiler as well, and i would hear the story << https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform has referred to rms doing this with i believe a compiler as well, and i would hear the story. 'cawsmic rayz and shitgnome bitrot' isn't the kind of story to scare children into losing sleep over.
asciilifeform: this is because rms likely grew up on the usual 20th c. dystopian fictions where there is always folks struggling to escape, etc
asciilifeform: phf: except, in ways no one afaik particularly expected to be possible, ~more~ direly than rms predicted.
phf: odd to read rms from 10-15 years ago and see his predictions come out right..
asciilifeform: it was naive of rms & co. to predict 'microshit will ban linux' in '01 or whenever the 'palladium' thing started going
asciilifeform: long before rms was famous.
mircea_popescu: who, rms ?
mircea_popescu: rms is not exactly a paragon of sanity.
asciilifeform: (rms would be a better example)
mircea_popescu: look, im not going to give back the major advantage of asym crypto keys just because nsa sponsored implementation and useful rms-ian idiots made a mess of things.
asciilifeform: but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'.
mircea_popescu: but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.
ascii_field: or go ask rms
mircea_popescu: well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?
mircea_popescu: the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.
ben_vulpes: so defadvice is rms's wacky clos?
asciilifeform: or rather, the rms value is the one which makes any sense to use in calculation of wattage
decimation: typically ac voltage is worked in rms, because it acts like dc
asciilifeform: e.g., rms(170) ~= 120, the u.s. traditional
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approx., rms ~= 0.7071 * peaktopeak
asciilifeform: (to the tune of rms senile snoring)
asciilifeform envisions rms chiming in: 'support contractz!'
ascii_field: 'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer)
ascii_field: everyone who ever made fun of rms deserves to be fed a litre of 'toe jam' now.
decimation: I'm sure rms would blame my non gnu extension
asciilifeform: but this functionality is deliberately not brought out to 'libraryizable' form, for reasons discussed in earlier threads re: rms
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184791 << it's not that far off, i was thinking g_l sounded a lot like a much younger rms. ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 14:49:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless...
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182771 << actually rms was 'for convenience' from day 1, when he abandoned the lispmachine ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless... ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181363 << even if rms no longer writes (and i'm informed that this may be the case in recent years) he is still tremendously useful as a 'fire magnet' for shitgnomes ☝︎
ascii_field: ^ re: the 'did rms know' thread of a few days ago
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep
asciilifeform: the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column
asciilifeform: rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort'
decimation: but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way
asciilifeform: rms is spot-on here
asciilifeform: decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces.
asciilifeform: rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible
Hasimir: Phil Zimmermann isn't on that list, neither is RMS or even a former PM of my country (and yes, it was a real key)
asciilifeform: (yes, the one in rms's tales)
mircea_popescu: poor rms.
asciilifeform: (i will point out that rms, famously, was not able to obtain a replacement for his loongson - which was stolen by bag-snatchers in b-a)
decimation: rms was right about this kind of stuff
ascii_modem: Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's !
mircea_popescu: then rms has to catch hell about "not supporting lldb". how about you know, taking libnss the fuck out with a hot poker.
asciilifeform: (what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?)
asciilifeform: at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern
asciilifeform: he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform & wimc : so rms sez he never heard of libnss before, and can't even recall what it does.
asciilifeform: straight from rms's arse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ?
asciilifeform: contrary to popular image of rms, he was - at the time - the very example of a 'straight lace square'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms is long in the tooth, old, and endlessly hammered by clean-shaven fools who don't eat 'toe jam' and spit in his face
mircea_popescu: which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms has a term of art for it, 'tivoization'
decimation: I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing
asciilifeform: critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way
asciilifeform: and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.
asciilifeform: in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.
asciilifeform: the devil that rms preaches about - exists.