ben_vulpes: yo so was it $epithet in paris or what?
trinque: ben_vulpes: news is reporting people at least claiming ISIS affiliation in the thing, not that I count that as hard confirmation
trinque: flatten that part of syria and iraq yet? guess not
trinque: and so I suppose the west truly does not want to live, and so be it
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: could you be persuaded to represent qntra for a voice interview ? << The onus is on them to do the text to voice thing.
ben_vulpes: "welcome refugees from syria with open arms!"
mats: nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah
☟︎ mats: its already over, man
mats: actually, maybe putin does
mats: that would set isis back a few years
BingoBoingo: Round a hundred thought dead in the theater
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hdbuck: realityshitshow, the new ISIS MO. and the media loves it.
trinque: ben_vulpes: can't even solve the corner pallet crisis; west is toast!
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mircea_popescu: <mats> nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah << it wouldn't take one. it would take about fifty or so to properly glass the place.
ben_vulpes: "The newcomer cut full-year forecasts, halted a share buyback and said 2016 numbers would be hurt by slowing sales of engines for smaller aircraft and ships that serve the beleaguered offshore oil industry."
ben_vulpes: "Earnings will now be hurt by “sharply lower” sales of corporate jets powered by Rolls engines, together with a more sluggish maintenance market both for those aircraft and bigger regional jets"
trinque: that every "great power" is perturbed by this religion and yet it remains speaks endlessly to the weakness of "great power"
mircea_popescu: trinque you realise religion has nothing to do with it.
trinque: this group of people who have functioning hierarchy and men, yes
mircea_popescu: so then... of fucking course bipedal lifeforms with both eyes will own lame blind asses ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: holy shit even the words of this doomed civilisation are aspirational now. "it means nothing, but what does it aspire to mean ?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem being that rolls was one of the precious few spots where britain didn't suck.
mircea_popescu: now they're going to scrap high performance engine production also, so next time they want to invade argentina they rent cessnas in peru or some shit.
mircea_popescu eagerly awaits the photoproof of the new nigger-rigged british airforce.
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure Britain can't afford that rigging. Spent everything in F-35 pre-orders
trinque: the linksys router of the skies
trinque: fuck it all, better learn mandarin or russian. there's nothing left in the european sack
BingoBoingo: No, linksys delivered eventually. Even fucking Duke Nukem forever got delivered
trinque: I recall that some "selling point" of the thing was its role as a network node other devices would use
trinque: but too true, why insult linksys so
BingoBoingo: Also as far as places to go, consider learning penguin
mircea_popescu: last time there was a war the argentines came out of it better than literally everyone else.
mircea_popescu: how the god forsaken shithole even got to be a country in the first place, all that war profiteering.
mircea_popescu: reminds me of romania to a rather large degree, if off by a century or two.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so what'd you have preferred, a notice that "I am watching this spot - if you dump trash here I will shoot you. Here's a pic of the rifle."
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that is the only solution, right?
ben_vulpes: "pick another corner, dumbshits, this one is mine."
ben_vulpes doesn't know how this nugget failed to make it into the turd
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:02:07; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except no such thing actually exists, so what "basics" and "primitives" ? suppose i hire solid state engineers, and want them to know the basics such as cold fusion ?
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. how much do you want to bet that won't be on the test.
ben_vulpes: "socialist millionaires protocol", too lol
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 04:12:57; asciilifeform: incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility
mircea_popescu: namecheap "upgraded" it's website. and it's been a nightmare ever since. now i can't even get a list of my fucking domains the normal way. but lo and behold... they have an "export as csv".
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform i notice that none of the "flow" implementations to date have matching output, and the "press" all depend to one degree or another on the inputs to the relevant "tsort" implementations, they're not guaranteed to "press" the same trees. non determinism at this endpoint gives me the willies, is that stupid?
mircea_popescu: <div class="dropdown-content dropdown-list"> <ul> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">CSV</a></li> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">PDF</a></li>
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's a js app not a web page
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is "FeatureNotEmplemented();" a magic word in jstardation ?
mircea_popescu: i just want all these stupid faggots to be raped, basically.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit. i can almost fucking hear it, buncha tards thinking they're "corporate officers" sitting around a cheap glue-and-woodchips table finished in plastic going "hey bill... i think we're getting a great deal on this website outsourcing stuff."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure they are. meanwhile i'm buying a baseball bat and separately a rusty nail.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know how one unwinds this retarded bullshit into actual urls ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so what, i'm to buy an ipad to get access to my domains because namecheap went full retard ?
mircea_popescu: the dumbass cgi-in-javascript thing still gets data somewhere.
ben_vulpes is trying to understand how this is cgi
mircea_popescu: " a javascript application that stands on the dom." makes no sense to me.
ben_vulpes: cgi is still request loop stuff, right?
ben_vulpes: "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response to a specific HTTP request.
ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over the wire
ben_vulpes: server sez: "here's the js to run, here are the deps, here's the css, go to town"
mircea_popescu: right, but in general, how do i just hook into the datastream of this bs.
mircea_popescu: that's what i imagine i want, i expect a serialized base64
mircea_popescu: look, how do i cut through the chase, so that i don't actually use the js.
ben_vulpes: "the deps" are the rest of the js and html that the thing needs to run
ben_vulpes: read the source, or run the thing and monitor its api calls.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes either you're proposing it guesses the data, or else it gets the data from the server.
mircea_popescu: uh. isn't there a standard way you people do this ? like, hm, how should i explain myself.
ben_vulpes: go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
mircea_popescu: in all my interactions with idiocy to date (and this is very banal and ancient idiocy, nothing novel here) there's always a spigot the actual tech people use.
mircea_popescu: that's built in a "standards" model or whatever. "it's called TruDataAccess" or whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: <link href="/assets/css/main?v=phbjMcurPxAMALWheG3gR3Pt1PkGb2rDzmtxXbmwvgE1" rel="stylesheet"/>
mircea_popescu: check that stupid shit out, they gotta have a ?v=garbage approach to css because reddit does it and so they gotta be professional.
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
ben_vulpes: like versioned css or something insane
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
trinque ears perk up for browser lamentations
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing the same data
mircea_popescu: suppose the "data isn';t right". you know you load it somehow.
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/main?v=jads0k1x6UN013WQFtBAc6UH0GHeRLPBfF-91kq4R8w1"></script>
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/xregexp?v=40sPTcMHxMpVEBfrk9PvYkihDvG0lcAp_jescN71YMo1"></script>
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/angular?v=Kq6-8uYn0o--kc3XolG8nQqh5qaZM-QoJMXpnK1goLk1"></script>
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
mircea_popescu: im going to break into their fucking servers just to read my lousy domain list ?
ben_vulpes: saas boss, they show you what they want to show you
trinque gives ben_vulpes a can of gas and a strike-anywhere match
ben_vulpes: maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
ben_vulpes: maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
mircea_popescu: it's beyong me how the business people can be this abandonware level stupid.
mircea_popescu: seriously, let the dumbass tech kids get away with this stupid shit ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'd flail them alive, stuff the skin and flail it again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude get the fuck off, you know what % of us corps fail ? you know average lifespan ?
ben_vulpes: to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are to write objective c, java, or js.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you're looking for a meal ticket because the checks came.
mircea_popescu: jam tomorrow, nail today, while we pretend jam today nail tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about ban anyone who ever connects from a mobile item.
mircea_popescu: "fuck you, go play angry birds. this is for real people."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's what's going on!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you only think this because you have a weird sort of delusion going where everyone else has it rosy.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lost business + maintenance = "technology of progress is the future"
ben_vulpes: which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
ben_vulpes: and now we know why startups can justify a staff of 150 for a web site, as if it were ever in question.
mircea_popescu: i took over a whole fucking province with less than 150 people./
☟︎ ben_vulpes: modern ui tech is horrendously time intensive to make do things.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: right! why does github need so many people around?
ben_vulpes: or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
mircea_popescu: anyway. i suppose what i do here is ima log in from a play box sometime, and push all the domains away in one session.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if only. the fucktard's going to die alone like the raymond nobody loves.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm personally astonished you held out this long
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: heck, if you recall trilema has a js based selectofunction.
mircea_popescu: just, this fucktardation is beyond the pale. it has TO WORK.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ok'd this is still a mystery my head can't wrap around.
ben_vulpes: they cater to consumers. it's fine for them.
mircea_popescu: o look! i get a 12 month free extension on transferred domains.
ben_vulpes: lovely backyard vps provider that does domains too.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome .
mircea_popescu: omfg but they have all the dnssec theatre ! !!! they;'re so credible, with their "And then we boot the single failure point laptop from ~~~a dvd~~~" bullshit.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
trinque: autoupdates too, so you're always safe
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes may i remind you of the "cryptsy couldn't move a bitcoin because doesn't have a bitcoin" ?
mircea_popescu: the people "buying" domains like slug.dance are 98743985743987 people who ARE GOING TO, and 3 idiots that do.
ben_vulpes: whatever, pennies for paupers and britni
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:35:56; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
mircea_popescu: "Sergey Kabarukhin" << and they outsourced tech support to .ua
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone that needs my domains : dig/write down ips, just in case.
trinque: apparently all these types in the west welcome conquest with an open ass
trinque: don't know, there were a lot of guys dressed up just like soldiers in the streets in france today
trinque: against 4 or whatever it was
trinque: the cutter cuts but is not a victor because the cutting is her decision
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 your auto reconnect a) doesn't auth b) leaks your ip
trinque: I fail to see how USG panopticon megastate can live any longer than the soviet megastate
trinque: so one infection, the other cancer?
trinque: how does one get coherent action out of a thing where there is so much internal conflict?
trinque: but we're discussing the logistics of massive empire
trinque: his thing was even shorter lived
trinque: the effectiveness of the internal USG hierarchy is unknown to me
trinque: if such a thing can be described, and it's not some other messier topology
trinque: accomplishing operational goals
trinque: but "works" is not necessarily to say what topology it is
trinque: and perhaps someone breaks them off in whole chunks
trinque: attaches them to something else
trinque: or runs them headlong into each other
trinque: yep, I have only said what I do not know
trinque: furthermore if I were an ogre allergic to sane computing, I would eat a man describing it
trinque: I don't care what work I do on this side of things; the stars were already coming unglued from the sky by the time I was born.
trinque: but maybe asciilifeform is yet more alive
mats: huh? I know several kaspersky employees that are americans
ben_vulpes: gotta love how quickly this guy goes from
mats: the number of shops that don't, I can count on one hand
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's "street" for programmers
mats: and even those, hr types run it anyways, for word and excel and what not
phf: agile consultants, HR, "junior developers", etc.
mats: b-a doesn't run winders and is also accurately described as salt mine
phf: asciilifeform: have you had your hands on thinkpad 755cd?
mats: rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know
phf: it's a fanless 486, one of the first "multimedia" laptops, i.e. has cdrom and midi chip. seems like the kind of device to play sierra games on
phf: i've been trying to track it down for a while now, was curious if you've had a personal experience with one. i suspect there are very few actual units around, though ebay has a steady supply of replacement parts
phf: (and there are stats somewhere on thinkwiki)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic"
☟︎☟︎ phf: i think gabriel knight was also quite beefy..
phf: i bought phantasmagoria of a stand in VDNKh back when the place was basically a giant electronics store, mixed with retrofuturist curio (holographic art exhibition! plasma globes!). it was a, heavily discounted, non-pirated version, but it took me forever to save up
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome . << In the last year and a half this seems to become "OMG NEW BEST PRAKATIZ"
mircea_popescu: in other news, the new registrar does not actually handle .ws or .bz apparently. so i got a bunch of other domains for proxies, whatevs.
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assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 21:46:32; pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 22:25:14; pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron people can be simply stupid/clueless/etc you know.
danielpbarron: that show's other host is antonopolous, the guy that you got kicked off of twatter for threatening to kill
phf: mircea_popescu: what's the new registrar? is it less retarded then namecheap?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:02:58; asciilifeform: i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet
mircea_popescu: that was a lulzdefacement on trilema years ago. the "romanian blogging community" ie a few dozen derps with shitty jobs in media was rather indignant that o noes, such desperation, to mis en scene your own defacement!!
mircea_popescu: then a coupla years later went into an epidemy of doing it, because hey, the sure mark of the insecure faggot is pretending superiority while attempting immitation.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
mircea_popescu: the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and the rats are ALWAYS imbecile. take you, for instqance : you imagine the outside "is bad". take them, for instance. they imagined the outside "is good". BOTH entirely, utterly and completely wrong, on an objective basis. but objective has absolutely nothing to do with it.
mircea_popescu: do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: all the cunning of a pubescent female, trying to get what it perceives it can't have while discounting with both hands what's easy to get.
mircea_popescu: so she sits around with idiots that don't know how to wash properly (no, they don't OPT to not wash properly, they simply don't know how to do it, through parental neglect) and cuts class.
mircea_popescu: anyway. real men don't need more than what they carry with themselves. that's what fucking distinguishes them from women.
mircea_popescu: albert who ? speer, the nazi architect ? looky here : at the time the action was coherent there was no conflict. by the time there was conflict coherent action was practically absent. what have you done here, averaged over two decades ?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323630 << you need a very weird thought process to at the same time discount all the NUMEROUS idiots with nail marks all over the face and somehow hallucinate some imaginary protection for the remainder through a concerted, name-able agency. really, usg protected all the vermin i didn't yet get to ?
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:16:04; asciilifeform: if it's at keeping mircea_popescu's rusty nail baseball bat at bay, i dare say it still works
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: re:nailbat, I interpreted that as when you take your physical trip to the US to play around in New Reno at some point in the future
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with this is that the javascript "coder" without an eye and with two amputated legs will sit on an old skateboard and try to get rentacoder javascript work to pay his hospital bills.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:16:17; asciilifeform: if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works
mircea_popescu: jesus the delusion is strong with this one, he goes to sleep, comes back with it whole.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:17:59; asciilifeform: all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower
mircea_popescu: you must not sleep for like five - six years or some shit.
mircea_popescu: fucking united states of kermit are an "economic actor" now, fancy that. what do they act, the chinese handpuppet ?
mircea_popescu: "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: do you do a lot of this begging the question and implying the conclusions business ?
mircea_popescu: "in any set of one bottle all the things are a bottle!"
mircea_popescu: "in this set of one bottle all things are a bottle! also in speer's case!"
mircea_popescu: the acquarium is entirely in your head, is the problem.
mircea_popescu: i personaly suspect the only reason we even know the name of that B actor in the nazi state is that he was the first/only/most coherent man the brits could find in uniform.
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like taking the governor of missouri as some sort of relevant political force.
mircea_popescu: "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it – à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing – then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fancy that! that's exactly what is ~going to~ happen! the whole notion! will be lost!
mircea_popescu: yeah, because they're the same age, and the same deffective minds.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:37; mircea_popescu: the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs.
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mircea_popescu: the principal problem of man, as an alive, in vivo beast, is that he has no fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: once dead it becomes apparent, but to no further use to him
mircea_popescu: back in 1970 even schoolchildren could add and substract
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, we're digging in the past decades like it's postgraduade class in etruscan art.
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:30:32; asciilifeform: pretty much everything with a public face and ANY 'hr types' is - by definition - salt mine.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:42:57; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic"
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not gonna waste the night hunting this, instead, i think ima translate rabinul si oaia.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:56; mircea_popescu: what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:27:05; mircea_popescu: "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible"
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:34:17; mircea_popescu: "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it – à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing – then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost."
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:12:10; mircea_popescu: do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 'hr type' means a very specific sort of gorlum in usa << very usually a buttergolem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's crossover. i beat their women and eat their icecream.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:42:57; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (if it does not, try not sleeping for a spell) << usually does the trick
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe a regional difference? Tend here to be proud pheminismist "persons of size"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Missourah even has TWO federal reserve banks
BingoBoingo: Well you live in a different part of the zoo's anatomy
mircea_popescu: "properly broke", like the true scotsman, is not a thing of this world.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i dun think i've ever seen this. << have you checked the gutter down by the river?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 06:12:28; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here in my experience they admonish, shame, and "train" things that ought not be trained
mircea_popescu: pedagogues without a pedophile streak end up working in hr.
BingoBoingo: If it is chemical weird off patent mallinckrodt makes it, which is why China is eating their lunch
phf: was looking at the 60s photos of hells angels, all of them skinny. which by the dates the spittoon story, since "fat bikers"
mircea_popescu: phf that culture got raped about as badly as "gays" got destroyed by the faux-gays of the "rights movement".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seemms mostly operating on inertia
mircea_popescu: originally, it was a very different crowd than the mancave type of dudes post vhs.
phf: was it carlin who ranted about dentists and pussyboy programmers on harleys
mircea_popescu: the vhs tape stuck every housewife with having to be deep throat and consumer credit saddled every husband with having to be a knight, not even a squire.
mircea_popescu: not respectable or respected by anyone or anything outside teenaged girls.
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phf: BingoBoingo: ah, yeah, that's a fair point
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform poet from 10 to about 16, then went to africa made his name trading arms.
phf: mp is partial to french scoundrel poets
mircea_popescu: there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages.
☟︎ phf: certainly few that "grew up in the market-place"
mircea_popescu: iirc this guy grew up in a convent, with a schizogenic mother.
phf: huh, that's true, i might have a romanticized view of rimbaud
mircea_popescu: " Maintenant, je m'encrapule le plus possible. Pourquoi ? Je veux être poète, et je travaille à me rendre voyant : vous ne comprendrez pas du tout, et je ne saurais presque vous expliquer. Il s'agit d'arriver à l'inconnu par le dérèglement de tous les sens. Les souffrances sont énormes, mais il faut être fort, être né poète, et je me suis reconnu poète. Ce n'est pas du tout ma faute."
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mircea_popescu: "− Je me dois à la Société, c'est juste, − et j'ai raison. − Vous aussi, vous avez raison, pour aujourd'hui. Au fond, vous ne voyez en votre principe que poésie subjective : votre obstination à regagner le râtelier universitaire, − pardon! − le prouve ! Mais vous finirez toujours comme un satisfait qui n'a rien fait, n'ayant voulu rien faire. Sans compter que votre poésie subjective sera toujours horri
mircea_popescu: "There’s no sugar-coating the following fact: We’ve helped people beat drug tests. We’ve studied the most current drug tests, we know what’s in play, where the learning curves are, we know what’s trending in the sporting community, and what new drugs are coming down the pipeline from China and elsewhere. Simply stated, we can help anyone, in any sport – including Crossfit – use performance enhancing drug
mircea_popescu: s and not get caught. Again, we’re not bragging, we’re trying to let you, (perhaps) a first time reader, see where we’re coming from. We know without a doubt that steroids are already in Crossfit, because instructors have already been arrested for dealing them. So that’s an irrefutable fact."
mircea_popescu: this guy's prose reads like he belongs loading traincars.
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punkman: damn 120+ dead, 200+ injured now
punkman: "The eight attackers are also dead, seven of them after detonating suicide belts."
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:53:05; mircea_popescu: anyone have any experience with internet.bs ?
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assbot: 44% Of Rogue Online Pharmacies Are Registered At Internet.bs – How .Pharmacy Plans To Change That | MorganLinton.com | Living in a world of 1's and 0's ... (
http://bit.ly/1Lf8K9e )
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fluffypony: also they declared a state of emergency for the first time in decades
fluffypony: "First time since 1945 that France has declared a nationwide state of emergency. Means state can control the press and enter private homes at any time (according to the French Government website)"
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punkman: "That does it. We're going nuclear on their asses." "But your enemy is actually *a meme*." "Fuck it. I said nuclear."
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mircea_popescu: whatg, they got no women in tech at .bs or wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, joining charlie yankee in his Operation Being Stupid I through XXVIII reeeeally paid off for the euros.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the fuck is a crossfit anyway << Going to Gym, but with cult elements
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this guy's prose reads like he belongs loading traincars. << He prolly does belong in such an occupation. Much of their subculture apparently proses like that or worse.
BingoBoingo: But basically that is the sort of prose used when addressing persons who aspire to be pickup trucks
adlai: such leet, very price
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BingoBoingo: Seems like the Winkelvii exchange just might have
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adlai: yours today for only 49.99! ((terms, conditions, and gpg contracts may apply))
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mircea_popescu: o check it out, reddit stopped loading worth a shit either sometime in between today and last i looked
mircea_popescu: archive.is is becoming the main interface to the retardweb
mircea_popescu: "The Ethereum ecosystem is incredibly exciting, but from an outsider perspective it might seem like just another fringe idea"
mircea_popescu: mno. from the outside it looks like a bunch of unemployable / mentally retarded adults + a bunch of homeless/orphan/parentally neglected children getting frothed at the mouth over the third pass of incredibly banal, fundamentally broken nonsense.
shinohai: Probab;y why Micorsit hopped on their train.
BingoBoingo: I like MicOrSit as in "Get slipped a mickey or sit on this cock already"
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gribble: pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * pete_dushenski to go pick up saddam from mechanic then to dinner. later !
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What is you opinion on the "mini moon" style hubcaps as applied to sedans. I'm thinking about removing the cheap plastic wheel covers and classing up my steelies.
assbot: UN-EFFING-BELIEVABLE! Mizzou Protesters Are ANGRY Paris Terror Attacks Stole Their MEDIA SPOTLIGHT!!! ... (
http://bit.ly/1HPPGhO )
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Honestly Mizzou protester lost the spotlight at MIZZOU on Thursday when Gary Pinkel announced he was retiring at the end of the year because he has cancer.
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: Weren't you working on a qntra piece about something?
shinohai: At one time ... I am the worst person at over-analyzing anything I write to death. I may shock you and submit something one day.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Well, then the proper course of action is to submit a draft and let me overanal-ice it to death
shinohai: I also have a bad habit of mocking ppl like Gavin and R. Ver which makes me look unprofessional. Funny though.
shinohai: Ad-hominem attacks really have no place in serious writing.
BingoBoingo: Calling people what they are is not ad hominen
shinohai: Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would sue Qntra and myself if I wrote apiece on him and his vote-brigading bitcoin forum for example.
BingoBoingo: How would he even get standing to do that?
shinohai: Every problem needs a scapegoat to cover incompetence !
punkman: that's not how scapegoat works
punkman: speaking of which, I have the cutest little goat ribs marinating in the fridge
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <shinohai> Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in fairness, calling that thing functional is a bit of an overstatement.
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you gotta support the fee-fees a bit only to rip them away harder
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, the angry cartloader's main point stands : your chances of "detecting" doping are exactly akin to the prospects of every other bayesian pseudoscientific approach.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. nil, unless doping with all sorts of exotic that isn't natural.
BingoBoingo: The people who get caught generally order shit online hoping to stay in front of testing, while A-Rod goes to the pharmacy.
BingoBoingo: Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:17:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it.
mod6: 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot.
☟︎ mod6: will be doing this shortly; outage shouldn't be long. will start this process in 27 minutes.
mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
☟︎☟︎ jurov: seems on vultr.com
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BingoBoingo eating chicken hearts as part of a program to maximize the number of deaths that contribute to each meal
shinohai: I guess they have to apply their "yearly updates" or whatever. Never used AWS much.
jurov: *everyone* in the vps business had to update recently
mod6: 5 minutes until reboot.
mod6: Alright, stand by. Rebooting.
mod6: Thanks for your patience.
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:16:05; mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity.
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:02:37; mod6: 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 06:55:15; mircea_popescu: there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages.
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mod6: asciilifeform: something to the effect of ``update to network''. no idea.
mod6: for the money, i don't think its a big deal. one year of uptime, no problems, it's just a website.
mod6: with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:50:57; asciilifeform: it's a kind of cryptographolysenkoism aha
pete_dushenski: one out running errands, the other amusing himself on the change-table, strapped-in tightly (rolling off is, as of this morning, a risk!)
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 20:16:58; mod6: with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror.
ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform share the lyrics for that?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i thought of you when reading sam kriss' review of the latest bond flick, spectre. particularly the bits about Cthulhu and Necronomicon references
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jurov: mircea_popescu et al.: i am using joker.com registrar, it does have sane interface unchanged in past 10 years
☟︎ jurov: and as long swiss people are in charge, i don't expect them to
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funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, applause to you for latest contravex
funkenstein_: on a related note I never did care which sporting club logo is on the hat of the guys making the cpu
pete_dushenski: i'm coming around to the theory that they're too smart to grant that much independence and autonomy willy nilly
pete_dushenski: and the amount of effort and energetic expenditure required by any centralised nation state to fashion proprietary cpu makes the prospect of the chinese undertaking the task assuredly improbable
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:29:03; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my weird delusion is 100% based on my to-date contact with physical reality (tm) (r)
pete_dushenski: the point was that your personal experience with "coders" =! all the hungry kids derping up web 2.0
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pete_dushenski: well, and that most of the webkidz who aren't currently hungry are about to be, because they have no skillz.
pete_dushenski: and many who thought that "coding was kool" are currently confronting an entirely different reality from the one they presupposed
pete_dushenski: right, which is why i doubt it takes much awareness to realise how garbage the webstack is.
pete_dushenski: and what other options do they have ? not like they're actually talented at programming and can pick and choose they're work like you can
pete_dushenski: you have the technical capability, if not the mindset, patience, etc.
pete_dushenski: everyone is a candidate for webz, which is why it's unusable
pete_dushenski: and, like railcars, web takes a lot of mudferbrains to keep it going
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:30:05; mircea_popescu: i took over a whole fucking province with less than 150 people./
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:32:37; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324119 << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:29:23; BingoBoingo: Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way
mircea_popescu: you don't avoid it because it "IS" anything. it isn't anything,
mircea_popescu: it only became something once you started avoiding it.
mircea_popescu: the objection here is to what you say, not to what you are.
mircea_popescu: this notion of one to one replacement as a necessity is a little bizarre, to my ears. also the notion that a 17yo could interdict any field to me is a little odd.
mircea_popescu: see, if i decide going back to 11th grade, i wouldn't replace ONE 17yo
mircea_popescu: i mean... looky, my time wasn't free when i was 15, either.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
mircea_popescu: tehran has better internet than wash dc. better food. better women.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a place on earth he'd be moving down to, not really.
mircea_popescu: obviously there's religious nuts, but guess what, u of maryland has some derps "working on ethereum" right now.
mircea_popescu: i'd take the imams any day when it comes to religious nuts.
pete_dushenski: have to be pretty adaptable to cut it in tehran, i'd think
pete_dushenski: iranians have too long a historical memory for white worship. still remember greek ass-kick.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you sure the "shithole" theory is not WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE
mircea_popescu: because otherwise the theory would have to be "because russians, = shitheads" ?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:21:13; asciilifeform: trinque: not so many folks outside of usg need reversing.
jurov: btw, i have never seen 17yo able to fix problem somewhere deep in html/js/css stack, or even being able to do multicolumn design with misc resize contraints from first principles
☟︎ mircea_popescu: honestly i've rarely seen a 17yo male able to find his way to cunt if blindfolded in a roomfull of spread eagled whores, but that's just my limited experience talking, i'm sure.
jurov: asciilifeform: i was not hired specifically to do that, but had to. cuz i was the only one who had a clue in whole fucking company
jurov: i then squeezed $$$ out of them
jurov: not that hard. and i have social skills of practically deaf hermit
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:04:39; mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we installed new spyware, it is windowsware, must reboot" ?
jurov: i was "already" there as sysadmin, so what?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, he was born into some random company he started working for this decade. wouldja get off ?
jurov: imo you yourself don't know what your problem is
jurov: how would positioning oneself as "the wizard" not pay the bills?
mircea_popescu: he fucking has me there, i never worked, nor ever hired in the us.
jurov: you say all usian corps are so rigid so as not to recognize clueful people at all?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 19:57:08; asciilifeform: gives the fr folks a run for their money
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the gist of his argument is that skill/competence are meaningless close enough to the money printer.
mircea_popescu: in the following sense : printing money renders sense arbitrary, and if sense is arbitrary then specialists become just another kind of voodoo practitioners. nobody cancelled the "if you're gonmna hire a voodoo priest, hire the cheapest" rule, and so here we are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this i saw in romania. was required by law to advertise job to create eu residency permit for slavegirl.
mircea_popescu: i took ad in obscure local paper, requiring complex engineering quals,
mircea_popescu: it's that 100% thereof having the quals for barrista and trying to wing it./
jurov: how comes then your phone keeps ringing off the hook?
mircea_popescu: i should prolly publish those emails sometimes, it was a fucking riot.
mircea_popescu: jurov think in soviet yugo terms, which is exactly what the us is :
jurov: i don't get it. you could then get nice money fixing vhs recorders and smuggling diskettes and whatever
jurov: (but that's p3d3rastyyyyy!!!)
mircea_popescu: also diskettes = plutonium, in soviet yugo alf would starve with a planeful of diskettes because "there's nothing can do with"
trinque: I was born here and I still live as though in enemy territory
jurov: btw, i was not normal boy. was never allowed out to the street, granny was too afraid
jurov: only to school and back
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 21:04:46; ben_vulpes: may he go from risk to risk
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assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 21:49:33; jurov: mircea_popescu et al.: i am using joker.com registrar, it does have sane interface unchanged in past 10 years
mircea_popescu wonders idly how much of france's current problems actually have to do with its ill inspired continuation of a once expedient, long pointless alliance with the ustards, and how much has to do with the ill advised but tribally motivated amnesty miterrand gave to the italian terrorists back when italy decided it had enough of that shit.
jurov: i don't pay them bitcoins
jurov: and first thing they wanted was photo of my cc
mircea_popescu would never use this if it came to not using dns altogether.
mircea_popescu: (i confess i have been contemplating changing to ip-based addresses instead of domains)
jurov: i already did for mpex proxies, they resolved very erratically
mircea_popescu: dns, a solution nobody wants for a problem nobody has.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:04:39; mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
mod6: at some point when the bitcoin isp is up and going and the foundation can afford it or the resources donated, we'll make the switch, happily.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 20:16:58; mod6: with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror.
mod6: time doesn't matter, its the precedence. right?
mod6: anyway, i think the real thing I was getting at there as sort of an alternative host incase of necessary reboot or maint to the other host.
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mircea_popescu: is this a recurring topic that never gets proper reference to past discussion ?
mircea_popescu: patches reference antecedents. there is no notion of time.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to import usg into bitcoin through the negative.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit what they do. if tomorrow california falls in the ocean i won't notice, nor care.