ag3nt_zer0: hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice
mats: BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices"
ag3nt_zer0: ... teaching stroke victims to talk again - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him
ag3nt_zer0: hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something
ag3nt_zer0: so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say
ag3nt_zer0: then do best to remove the melodic attribute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069913 = 20.5894 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything
jurov: would be more like "dos extender"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2329 @ 0.00091012 = 2.1197 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made
jurov: i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D
jurov: still, i have used t602, too
assbot: Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1J8UgrH )
jurov: "What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk."
jurov: is that a compliment in disguise?
jurov: cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent
trinque: asciilifeform | jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era
trinque: had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word.
jurov: i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see
mircea_popescu: well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs.
BingoBoingo: But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, “Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go—that’s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!”
mircea_popescu: i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already.
mircea_popescu: "A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you!
BingoBoingo: Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack".
mircea_popescu: in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise...
mircea_popescu: hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep."
mircea_popescu: "but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong."
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ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17768 @ 0.00066968 = 11.8989 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web".
mircea_popescu: some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers,
mircea_popescu: and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane.
mircea_popescu: i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to.
mircea_popescu: "I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help.
mircea_popescu: somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ?
trinque: as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it
trinque: more like a death rattle maybe?
mircea_popescu: no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore...
trinque: I like to think I can speak idiot but..
mircea_popescu: i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory.
trinque: sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion
trinque: mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary!
trinque: I mean where do opinions come from if not that?
mircea_popescu: "An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers."
kakobrekla: its what they are fucking, its what they feel for.
mircea_popescu: you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ?
kakobrekla: you can will a small enough gear prolly.
mircea_popescu: no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises.
trinque: yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in.
trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
☟︎☟︎ trinque: so being able to refer to the thing caused it?
mircea_popescu: (the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything.
mircea_popescu: and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated)
trinque: hm, inversely. /me ponders
mircea_popescu: which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER.
mircea_popescu: and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest.
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mircea_popescu: "]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose."
trinque: I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else.
trinque: but how to measure that in upvotes
trinque: one too many, I'm on a permanent trip
mircea_popescu: who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!"
mircea_popescu: it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo.
mircea_popescu: Matches for haslink:true log.bitcoin-assets.com, 5789 total results
phf: james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths
mircea_popescu: at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool.
mircea_popescu: what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce
trinque: most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected
mircea_popescu: "On older terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the vertical bar has a hole in the middle."
mircea_popescu: another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn"
mircea_popescu: phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned.
mircea_popescu: it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder.
mircea_popescu: but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.
mircea_popescu: how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good.
phf: that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always
mircea_popescu: phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere.
mircea_popescu: most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know"
mircea_popescu: most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to.
assbot: bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1MBlbRE )
phf: hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures
BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap
BingoBoingo: Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it
phf: plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C
phf: so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated
BingoBoingo: I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you?
phf: i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy
phf: but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights?
mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства.
danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
☟︎ danielpbarron: i google for that text and get very limited results
mircea_popescu: i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand
danielpbarron: ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig
danielpbarron: interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning
danielpbarron: i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig
mircea_popescu: 35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman.
gribble: You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
assbot: You rated user adlai on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.adlai.2:310d1a69d4cd2a845906ce79b786bfb097b488935f1033c7064d48dfbf77d788
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for adlai from 1 to 2 with note: highly educational
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra
ben_vulpes: i hope to have time to review within the month
gernika: BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this
gernika: doh sorry - thestringpuller
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg
mod6: another crazy thing is this BDB configure script. i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2. but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host=<SOMETHING>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+]
mod6: I went spelunking through the BDB configure script. The horror.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:37; mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:23:44; mircea_popescu: a programmer!
trinque: ben_vulpes: fighting back the blob-thing?
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:43:43; *: asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for
ben_vulpes: trinque: blob from hell has me by the short and curlies
mod6: asciilifeform: lol, that worked.
mod6: i'll post my script and my new output diff
trinque: ben_vulpes: godspeed against the pussdemon
ben_vulpes: it's like ironing bubbles out of wallpaper
trinque: so this vac-u-loc thing, does it ummm... unlock?
trinque closes the tab before the phrase "jelly dongs" destroys him
BingoBoingo: What doesn blob from hell mean in the context above?
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше
trinque: BingoBoingo: fail-katamari of open source
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i *do* hope to get to genesis. am remiss.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic) << me
phf: asciilifeform: broke
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah, I though maybe ben_vulpes was suffering a Hamplanet attached to his pubes
trinque: BingoBoingo: he would never
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:04:39; pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they don't dare come near
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance) << right on. thanks for the tip about locale.
trinque imagines a charging hoarde cresting a hill, falling over, wheezing
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:09:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
ben_vulpes: and five minutes later, found the commit wherein previous slaves had "fixed tests"
ben_vulpes: approximately one for every assertion.
phf: if i had a dollar for ever password in a database i've fixed. oh wait i have
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lady v approves of your ashley madison article title
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a) << may you experience many mild unpleasantnesses
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
ben_vulpes: wee benkay running around nyc, drinking beers in public not giving a shit about things
ben_vulpes: there i stand shocked and inebriated at this turn of events
ben_vulpes: charges eventually dismissed because entropy can't in2 my dumb ass
mircea_popescu: today i learned ass-russian mostly consists of fractions of a Ð. о, м etc
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 11:15:47; jurov: !t m f.mpif
ben_vulpes: i humbly submit for poor log-following canings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the timestamps are truly meaningless here.
mircea_popescu: ironically, it is b-a that has the first and so far only actual application of "blockchain technology"
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mircea_popescu: doesn't it have a switch to supress timestamps in output ?
mircea_popescu: so basically diff is, much like gpg, not actually usable.
mircea_popescu: for a long list of reasons, some of which can be diddled
mircea_popescu: which is a harder proposition than nobody ever used gpg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone's suggestion seems to be "hey, use perl! bash script! fuck my sister she's a slut anyway!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amusing thing is that you seem to think that *you're* the pauper hereabouts
ben_vulpes: with your servers and trunk conections
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:23:28; mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.
ben_vulpes: i don't consider bitcoin production ready in any of the incarnations that i've seen
ben_vulpes: i've taken to using the -d flag with patch *always*
ben_vulpes: otherwise the damn thing can't figure its own arse out from my elbow
mircea_popescu: yeah. hey, anyone looking for something to do that'd be useful and also an incredible walk on coals ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: haha not in ada, just, they'll have to publish it and we'll go "omfg you can't be this stupid, redo it" like 50 times.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what's 50% of the conversation in my household for the first x months of the life of a new girl anyway
mircea_popescu: btw, was it actually named for the lucky strike smoker chick ?
mircea_popescu: (also let me mention here, as this may come as a suprirse to my western friends - that in romanian classical society, as well as for that matter most of eastern europe, as well as for that matter all of europe in an earlier, simpler time - it was the height of poor taste for a woman to refuse sexual congress, and a pointed declaration of personal infirmity. sort-of like saying you can't read without your glasses
mircea_popescu: mostly, yes. more effectually, it came with the #include that you'll be a father to her kids.
mircea_popescu: well at the time being a father was moreover pleasant.
mircea_popescu: which - another thing very little known. that importation was the bane of europe.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any disaster hence has had such a chilling impact on society.
mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cassation. and was sea
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00066937 = 17.5375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: jackbootedstatist comments on In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. ... (
http://bit.ly/1hPiYXx )
BingoBoingo: "Wow, is that mind bent. It's like r/iamverysmart crossed with extreme ancap libertarianism, with a dash of cultist "one true bitcoin", and possibly some blockstream fed small block euphoria. It's purified crazy."
BingoBoingo: Also... apparently there is a smart shaming subreddit
mircea_popescu: all this "blockstream" stuff is so lulzy. random derpy outfit with enough money to cover 18 months' worth of modest burn rate.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, does that mean idiots trying to make smart people feel bad about being smart ?!
BingoBoingo: "Use smaller words" "I can't read that" "Write for roach comprehension"
mircea_popescu: in other news... the reddit is mainstream bitcoin now ? in what alt-world ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi what the anglos are trying to say by "potemkin", which is a common enough name, among people with an actual culture.
mircea_popescu: i kept thinking salce's "corazzata potemkin" and it just didn't make any sense.
mircea_popescu: how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in maryland they burn the ants with empathy, no need for technology.
mats: maybe i had a shit magnifying glass but i never got it to work
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how did they hear of crimean potemkin but not of the great red ship ? who knows. << Cold War culture. Those ruskies love playing pretend...
mircea_popescu: by far. as even one inch off... you lose 97% or so of power
mircea_popescu: you know we had a special soldering iron for doing that, at school ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah mythology. Stalin was an evolution of Peter's empty facades and clumsy imitation of the west.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not mega-surprise, proper medical gear was scarce. << Still rather state of the art.
BingoBoingo: of course, how could it be invented otherwise
mircea_popescu: it's lulzier to propose to people that "lightning could never strike aeroplane - what's to close the circuit ?!?!?!"
mats: 95% of sappers i ever talked to performed missions just like this
mats: their entire deployment
mats: lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill
mircea_popescu: "Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mats> lots became firefighters after, to chase the thrill << The one part of the Nordic system that works always. Once people get hooked on the thrill you don't have to pay them in anything other than opportunity to continue.
mats: welp, the way building codes makes shit safer, you just end up jerking off in the firehouse or starting a business on the job
mats: if i wasn't so broke i'd probably make a go at it
BingoBoingo has moderated his future vehicle plans. Instead of firetruck contemplating pickup truck.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:04; mircea_popescu: "Maid of Athens, ere we part, give, oh, give back my heart! Or, since that has left my breast... keep it now, and take the rest! Hear my vow before I go, ζωή μου, σᾶς ἀγαπῶ."
mircea_popescu: nonsense, "macaronic" my foot. it's above language not below it.
mircea_popescu: but hey, the nationalistic ambitions of victoria, regina horsefucker.
mircea_popescu: btw, i have been wondering since the stuff started : how is it that tatar-bunar's never mentioned re the ukrainian situation ?
mircea_popescu: the very approximative knowledge in humanities of the english speaking folk, at both astroturf and crackpot/armchair general level never ceases to amaze me.
mircea_popescu: they've heard of one potemkin but not another, they know of this but not that, they're familiar with queens but don't think the brooklyn bridge exists, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, "Требование увода советских войск из Грузии и организации референдума "под контролем смешанных комиссий из социалистов и коммунистов" представляет собой одну из самых низкопробных империалистских ловушек под демократи
mircea_popescu: ческим флагом национального самоопределения." approximately translates to "fuck you nuland".
assbot: Fostul ministru de Externe Adrian Severin dă lovitura de graţie amestecului brutal al yankeilor în Justiţia Română | | Ziar Tricolorul ... (
http://bit.ly/1NJ0Vfv )
mircea_popescu: this thing is only notable because the guy is exactly correct in what he says. but he's easily the least frequentable name in romanian politics, short of actual mental cases. and this not in a good way - he truly is reprehensible.
mircea_popescu: how this shit works, where truth only ends up spoken by the thoroughly disgraced, is my favourite mystery of nature.
mircea_popescu: for as long as there's even the faintest hope of maybe one day scamming someone, every last human being is 100% jwz.
mircea_popescu: once that absolute last hope is lost, suddenly they're all saints somehow. da fuck.
mircea_popescu: ;;google freedom's just another name for nothing left to lose
BingoBoingo: "This city is highly dependent on sales tax, and where a business will be operating under a conditional use permit due to parking and traffic considerations, we feel it reasonable that it pays a PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes)," City Administrator Bob Shelton said. "The medical service fees are not taxable but when the practices sell items, sales tax is involved."
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform How do you handle an overloaded dosimeter? I've just kind of been ignoring it but the burns and nausea are piling up.
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Vexual: you got niggaz on comix.qntra?
Vexual: 0.2 day without a riot
Vexual: getting to be a bit of a commonality
joecool: what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays?
Vexual: anything, just wear a condom
BingoBoingo: <joecool> what's the ideal bitcoind version to run nodes with nowadays? << Either 'stator' with protocol ticked to 99999 or anything with a lulzy version string
Vexual: alf mod6 voopz have a version named after cool shit
Vexual: you can even make em report aas u like
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Vexual: don't fuck with satoshi engineering
Vexual: even accidentals were indicental
BingoBoingo: joecool: With the anticipated spam attacks ideally you will want to bolt the Ophanage amputation and thermonuke modifications to whatever you choose. Also make sure you fix the BDB locks problem in your chose codebase. Anything post 0.3.21 and pre 0.8 should be fine. If you don't have particular things you fuss over 0.5.4'stator/rotor' is probably as close to idea as you will come
joecool: BingoBoingo: if i have fetched blockchain with a newer version will i need to refetch?
Vexual: joecool, the answer presents itself
BingoBoingo: joecool: If your blockchain is later than 0.7-ish you will need to refetch
BingoBoingo: It's not that big of a deal. Mostly CPU bound anyways so if it is slow you can blame you own machine.
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trinque: danielpbarron: that appears to be in need of my patch
cazalla: hk61ocL6zIE, nah not tonight mate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00068571 = 22.1484 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: whats for dinner you big cunt?
cazalla: just a porterhouse and some veg
Vexual: you dont fuck about me friend
Vexual: choice cut and or rabbits
Vexual: crankin the barbie i guess?
cazalla: nah, just pan fry for quick meal once kid is in bed
Vexual: no time to shoot a rabbit
Vexual: heres one i prepared earlier
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Vexual: phf: some dick owns the rights
Vexual: hows the ratraces cazalla?
Vexual: ill bet theres a blackfella on the books
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:23:54; *: asciilifeform was mega-cultureshocked when asked colleagues about ants and magnifying glass and no one knew of this
Vexual: hippies burn bongs with a lens here
Vexual: palm width machine as someone said
punkman: Vexual: are they too poor for butane?
Vexual: too rich, prefer incidental sun
Vexual: pinch your lighter in the nightime like a fucking bum
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 04:56:25; mircea_popescu: now that's what i call genius. that thing actually fucking rhymes, agapou / go are exactly homophonic.
mircea_popescu disagrees with punkman over how greek's supposed to be said.
Vexual: 86 billion pay it back with your shit pit
mircea_popescu: IPA notation's not even exact enough to capture how close the two final vowels ACTUALLY are.
punkman: well I dunno if it that was the case 500 years ago, certainly not today
punkman: I'm bad at the whole making sounds thing, but I suppose ω would be slightly longer than ο
mircea_popescu: ("sweeter omega", realy, in the words of my very old classics teacher, but that'd be a term of art)
punkman: Ancient greek class, at least as I remember it, never focused on the sounds. It was more "here's 150 grammar rules to memorize"
punkman: I gotta say though, reading text peppered with 5 diacritics per word, makes my eyes hurt
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mircea_popescu: ahahaha 50mn extraordinary on 80mn justified expense bwahahaha o god.
punkman: "Snapchat’s ad rates have declined rapidly. This month the company announced it would start to charge $20 per 1,000 views, a fraction of its earlier price, agencies say."
mircea_popescu: i don't think i sat that close to people since being about five.
mircea_popescu: and the mcdonalds happy meal diet clearly isn't agreeing with nuland.
mircea_popescu: wait. tidd ?! da fuck is tidd doing there. and donfried roflmao. omfg this is the elephant funeral already.
mircea_popescu: punkman 20 cpm is outrageous anyway. they could get maybe 3.5 or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60394 @ 0.00068791 = 41.5456 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "Creator of The Ideal Reserve with about a decade of experience in applied economics, over a decade of experience in finance, and over two decades of experience in technology."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14662 @ 0.00068974 = 10.113 BTC [+]
shinohai: r/buttcoin laghed at him a few eeks back
punkman: "By downloading and/or executing the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application, you agree to the following terms: You will not attempt to reverse engineer the Ideal Reserve Clearinghouse application."
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:05:31; asciilifeform: holy fuck is assbot broken.
mircea_popescu: punkman by reading this you agree not to agree with the ideal herp derp whateverthefuck.
fluffypony: by continuing to read this sentence you acknowledge and agree to the aforementioned terms, if you do not agree with them you should have stopped reading like 3 sentences back
shinohai: isn't this the same genius that tried to sell bible coin or some shit by issuing fake shares?
kakobrekla: shitload of pages has this in their tos ... ' if you came here, you agree with all what we say below: you are a dick. '
yang: kakobrekla: nothing special
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shinohai: Euthanasia, it's whats for dinner.
fluffypony: shinohai: why would we want to eat the youth in Asia?
assbot: Mycelium_Running comments on Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." ... (
http://bit.ly/1JmBegE )
mircea_popescu: unlike REAL activity it is not based on... ACTUAL VALUE!!11
mircea_popescu: but enough laughs for today. tomorrow is another lolday!
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punkman: "The problem is staggering. According to a White House report, one in five women (20 percent) is sexually assaulted in college. Around 5 percent of men report being sexually assaulted on campus as well."
mats: in other news, I have perfected my Japanese Curry recipe
fluffypony: sorry that was terrible, couldn't resist :-P
punkman: mats, what's the recipe then, don't be a cooktease
mats: what a waste of good curry
mats: my recipe can only be shared with folks rated 5 or higher in my wot
mats: >2012 saw the training ship ARA Libertad seized in Ghana on the orders of a hedge fund seeking reparations from the Argentinian government. Shortly afterward, the corvette ARA Espora was stranded in South Africa for seventy-three days after the German company hired to repair a mechanical fault refused to carry out the work as a result of the Argentine
mats: government’s unpaid bills.
chetty: you know its interesting how argentina demonstrates normality ..all of the hoopla about what if 'greece' or whoevers todays whipping boy defaults ..not much, life goes on really
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assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше
kakobrekla just pulled up a test assnode and it doesnt have this issue
punkman: I get cyrillic in both web and irc
kakobrekla: i see garbage on irc but only on this chan, private msg and dev chan is ok
kakobrekla: someone else that sees garbage on chan pls to paste the log link to assbot pvt msg and tell me what you get
punkman: ̴̳͚̬͍̫̪̙Z͉̤̺̻͢A̤͕͓̦L̘̰G͈̲͜O͖̠̳̣ͅ!̻̺̗͟
punkman: kakobrekla: how about that one
punkman: ̡͑̄̆ͤ̀Í̲̱̤̰͟͡Í͖̬̹̻̹Ị̺̙̀ü̉̊ͤ̄Í̧҉҉̱̤̫Ì̬nͨ̅ͫ͒̅ͬ̋ͩ͑̉̊ÌÌšÌ̛̾͌̒ͦ͘͢ÍÌ·Ì̱͉̟̙͓̤̟͕̟ͅÍÌ¦Í•Ì Í”Ì Ìºỉ̑͑̉ͣ̈́Ì̈́̓̚̚ÍÍ̡̨̮̙̲̫ͅͅÌ̼̜̬̙̺̮̱c̄̒̓ͮ̅͆͑ͣ͂ͦͩͥÌͪ͊̃ͩͧ̆ÍÍ͘ÍÍ•Ì¹Ì»Ì£ÍšÌ Í…Ì¹Ì³Ì¦Ì̳̲oÍͣ͋̂͒̂ͩ̉̓ͪ̋̿̋͊ͤ̚͜Ị̜̹̀Ì̘͕ḑ̵ͯ̆ͣ͋͢͞Í͕͙̫͙̘̦̘Ì͈̜͉͚̥̲eͯ̽̓̿̌Ì̴̷͔̣͙̜̤̣̦̈́͂̅͛̔̓̀͢͟Ì̯̫͎̪Ì
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <jurov> i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see
assbot: Multiple occurrences of king penguin (Aptenodytes patagonicus) sexual harassment by Antarctic fur seals (Arctocephalus gazella) - Springer ... (
http://bit.ly/1U4z2QT )
punkman: kakobrekla: do you get cyrillic in that title?
mike_c: kakobrekla: if helpful - I see cyrillic on your lines, and garbage for whatever punkman posted
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punkman: kakobrekla: don't be racist, equality for my unicodez
assbot: Is there a video with a panel discussion about the block size BIPs, fork drama, etc.? Is there demand for one? : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1U4R59J )
chetty: whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." <<
https://archive.is/41s4u ☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9383 @ 0.00066444 = 6.2344 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 15:16:17; chetty: whats with everything has to be a video? reading is a lost art?
shinohai: I cannot learn from videos myself
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't know that article was going to get any traction
ascii_field: 'There is nothing illegal that the government there is not into. The government is smart if you just go there as an American you will not be bothered. I lived in the jungles where I was the only white person, and they were on to me. They asked me for $2M, weeks later 40+ armed men stormed my house, shot my favorite dog, and held me in the sun with my hands tied. The next day the congressman came and apoligized and asked
ascii_field: for the $2M again. I should have done that rather than tell him to get the fuck off my property.'
chetty: a tad more blatant than the usg methods
ascii_field: 'There's going to be a shitload of stuff going down. The hacker said they were going to release. If it were me, I'd had come clean immediately to my wife. I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?". When the OPM hack happened, I wrote an article where I came clean to everything.'
mircea_popescu: you know what, you seem to be in favour of obama, as reported by cnn.
mircea_popescu: they've been in favour of preferably nobody remembering they exist until this goes away.
ascii_field doesn't write these, just pulls them out of the sewer manhole
mircea_popescu: guy's prolly laboured for two weeks to make that thing, which he perhaps sees as "in the best us civilisation tradition".
ascii_field: 'I don't have a preference (LTC/BTC/ETC). A company in Uraguay has improperly used my name....' (mcaffee)
mats: he keeps talking about the proxyham wtf
mircea_popescu: dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting.
mircea_popescu: "Late Friday, the Twitter feed for Rhino Security, the consultancy run by the project’s creator Ben Caudill, announced that Caudill’s talk was being pulled from the DefCon line-up, and that the ProxyHam project was being called off. “Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device,” the message read. “Existing #proxyham unit
mircea_popescu: s will be disposed of and no longer be made available at [DefCon]”"
mats: proxyham can be built by a teenager with a day of research
ascii_field: wifi card plugged into a 900MHz (cordless telephony band in usa) modem
mats: >The old arts of spying has really disappeared, my favorite is Android, for ease-of-use. The first thing I do is root it with towelroot to remove update capabilities, then remove bloatware, then unroot it of course.
ascii_field: mats: the man runs winblowz. by own admission.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dope would be one thing, but this guy smokes the carpeting. << likely smokes dope from a pipe carged out of a crack rock
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, lame. but the thinking seems to be, it's no big deal if special people have machine guns, it's a big deal if common people have slingshots.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the basic thread is that usg is understandably unhappy about violations of the 'diddlable sop standard'
ascii_field: even something so humble as switching radio bands
ascii_field: all of sudden, $maxint snoop machine has to be rebuilt
ascii_field: alternatively, disinfo to make idiots dig up the 900Mhz thing and use it
ascii_field: it is even possible for both hypotheses to be true simultaneously
ascii_field: (two separate departments of muppetronics. as in tor.)
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who these guys are, they didn't have the modicum of a clue to make contact or anything. for all i know the whole thing's an orchestrated attempt to shore up the notion that anyone still gives a shit about the usg inside the us.
mircea_popescu: "The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: high frequencies of rape."
mircea_popescu: "Survival Hunters and Gatherers Above the Arctic (SHGAA) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both walk on thin ice."
mircea_popescu: "The Federadion of Mosquitoes, Lice and Ticks (FMLT) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both suck"
mircea_popescu: "This Nonsensical Linguistic Construction (NLC) and American college campuses share a deplorable commonality: they both confuse referents"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13712 @ 0.000691 = 9.475 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know looking back... i remember a time when anglo web produced a lower proportion of articles that don't crash and burn in the first paragraph.
mircea_popescu: i think it was even under 80% at some point this millenium.
mircea_popescu: but at some time, back when the stupid parents of the current generation were yet illiterate, english was a pleasure to read.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 12:52:10; fluffypony: mats: do you serve it with flied lice?
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 13:04:29; mats: ouch
mircea_popescu: a 2nd league hockey team could probably beat up the argentine armed forces.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 14:15:56; asciilifeform: at this may be an emergent behaviour.'
mircea_popescu chuckles at the thought of some [not so ?] distant time in the future when various derps will discover that "nobody could have predicted" they had a lengthy record of shit to answer for in the logs.
danielpbarron: btw I got stator to build with the rotor toolkit and it is currently syncing and up to 153k blocks
danielpbarron: also, on a gentoo install created with trinque's script thingy
danielpbarron: rotor feels like a "safe space" to borrow some redditard terminology
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the motherboard article you linked says "satoshi" exactly once, ands that is to claim "and Satoshi showed with some basic calculations that hardware improvements were very likely to outpace Bitcoin growth for decades into the future."
mircea_popescu: not so naturally. why is the thing still getting links i don't get it ?
mircea_popescu: not like they have an actual perspective or anything to say
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mircea_popescu: the only thing that matters re propaganda is whether it gets repeated. that's 100% of it.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 15:19:42; BingoBoingo: Not even wrong: "However, the question of whether miners and pools will support that increase in the form of XT, a fork of Bitcoin Core, remains. It currently has 13.7% of bitcoin's hashing power behind it." <<
https://archive.is/41s4u mircea_popescu: i have no idea why patent nonsense read by fewer people than are involved in writing it keeps somehow creeping into the conversation. but this sort of masochism of the intellectual is both ridiculous and overplayed already.
mircea_popescu: I had a TS clearance at Lockheed, and you have no idea what questions they asked. "Have you ever fucked a sheep?" << to which the only acceptable answer is, "does your mother count".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was digging for traces of sanity in there
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but easier to get uranium from the sea.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i confess, began reading this crud linked from bci's www, where i looked for block guts
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but have, i think, eaten all that i can stomach.
phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
☟︎☟︎ trinque: danielpbarron: glad it worked out for ya
trinque: this weekend I'm going to put together a rudimentary site for trinque.org and gather a few of the tools I've built there
trinque: that script for example could do with an operator's manual; it's less a cake and more a kitchen
trinque: I've changed it since to dump out a working musl system
trinque: and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.000691 = 20.5116 BTC [+]
trinque: ideas, man... they're powerful
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assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
assbot: GST to be applied to more products, services sold by vendors into Australia from July 1, 2017 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1UYjmRu )
jurov: same as eu vat clusterfuck
cazalla: retail is rightfully dying here, so i guess they think this will shore up the taxes they're losing from that sector.. i am more curious to find out if it'll be applied to steam games and in-game purchases
trinque: how do we increase our national wealth?
cazalla: "We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.
☟︎ trinque: by slowing down all economic activity, of course!
ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.
☟︎ ascii_field: but the resulting vpatches work, when applied with conventional gnupatch
ascii_field: for both from-vacuum creation of files (as in 'genesis') and the later patches.
ascii_field: also i recommend changing the last line of the script to LC_ALL=C ./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch
ascii_field: the result of these two changes should be BITWISE IDENTICAL GENESIS FOR ALL
ascii_field: if folks are happy with this result, i will re-create and sign the entire shebang tomorrow.
ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidence inc
☟︎ ascii_field: ludes now-deleted entries in his browser history, along with certain videos.
ascii_field: Matanov isn’t the first person to be sentenced under such circumstances.'
trinque: "Under the law, people are required to preserve any evidence they knowingly believe could be used in future investigations, even if no such investigation has been launched."
trinque: presumably any piece of information can be used in any imaginary investigation of the future
trinque: so we go from the 5th amendment directly to "you must investigate yourself on behalf of the all powerful state"
ascii_field: the one law that nobody ever cancelled is 'not caught, not thief'
ascii_field: poor schmuck failed to destroy the evidence of destroying the evidence..
hdbuck: question why would usg need our browzer history via our computer since they already have it all via google
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
trinque: pete_dushenski: and to you as well
trinque: ascii_field: it is abundantly clear to anyone thinking that this is a runaway bureaucratic process with no clear intentions/goals/etc, just *must feed*
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes and how is the lovely lady v these days ? staying active i trust ?
ascii_field: trinque: it is in the initial stage, of cementing the precedent, via jailing an already unpopular fella
trinque: which is why today's cock-tease of a market slump does me no good. come on baby, lets have the full rip
thestringpuller: so as soon as I figure out the wp thing, i'll have a dedicated blog
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:25:47; asciilifeform: iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:40; ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: here is an experiment: change ' print $0 " " o ' in vdiff.sh to ' print $1 " " $2 " " o '. this results in timestamp amputation. the patches work fine, except that gnupatch is no longer aware of preexisting files and will happily create the same file twice, if so run, glomming on top of itself.
mod6: I can say that your change to vdiff.sh `diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'` certainly removes the timestamps from the output hashes.
mod6: and try this without LC_ALL=C ?
mod6: yup, ok. and when I have my own genesis.vdiff, should compare with `diff -u` to the one you posted in your original email? or compare with vdiff?
ascii_field: (which won't match because it has timestamps, but ~order~ will match)
mircea_popescu: thin priviledge is hanging out with friends, pointing out that i'd be more sensible to not give citizenship to children of fat people than to children of illegal immingrants, and not offending anyone.
mod6: err, so, use my newly created genesis.vdiff, apply to pulled original v0.5.3 ?
pete_dushenski: really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance
mod6: it worked ascii_field
mod6: just ran the `patch -p1 < genesis.vpatch` in an empty dir, and then volla, bitcoin source exists
mircea_popescu: i kept meaning to do a statement explaining the major importance of that thing but i didn't really find my words with the deed.
mircea_popescu: ima try to a signing statement once i put it to the ml
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, who wants to hold my retarded hand while i do that again ? i forget, what do i do, send an email with the plaintext as body and the detached sigfile as attachment ?
jurov: you mean to btc-dev?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: to use jurov's thing, you need 3 things: a clearsigned readme (1st attachment)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the actual patch (optional, if the message concerns a patch) - 2nd attach
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> really, if this wasn't obvious to mod6, ppl like hanbot and i have no chance << this probably should have been obvious to me. but sometimes, hard to see the forest through all of the trees. i've been looking at the compare diff a lot lately, and forgot that /all/ is contained in the genesis.diff.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: third, if the second exists - a detached .sig for it
mod6: wth is wrong with me this afternoon.
mod6: hanbot is testing out my i686 changes for buildroot/rotor.sh - even got a script for it. so that's p-cool.
jurov: mircea_popescu: only clearsigned text is mandatory, there can be none or any number of further attachments(not necessarily only patches), each with detached attachment.name.ext.sig
mircea_popescu: jurov cool, ima try this and bitch more if i can find a way to.
jurov: if your email client is known not to mutilate text, put clearsigned text into the body instead of first attachemnt
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the importance of the thing i intended, roughly, is that ~everything is either a vdiff or a sig~
jurov: otherwise, left body empty
danielpbarron: i noticed today that you don't need to rename the files in order for them to verify; you can sha1sum and gpg --verify the downloaded attachments as they come, and go straight to extracting the tar afterwards
ascii_field: both vdiffs and sigs (the former by virtue of having one or more of the latter matching) are immediately attributable to an l1 pubkey
ascii_field: and, for the first time ever in history of versionatrons, you can take a tree of unknown constitution and determine what patch set it corresponds to (if any)
punkman: ascii_field: why L1? doesn't ml use L2?
ascii_field: punkman: perhaps it does? but iirc the only contributors thus far live in l1
danielpbarron: PinkPosixPXE would be the exception to that l1 only theory
ascii_field notices that he has been using 'vdiff' and 'vpatch' interchangeably. this is not really an error.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 05:04:30; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.
danielpbarron: and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)
☟︎ ascii_field: btw here's another thing to add to the 'gpg is mega-retarded' list: gpg sig does not contain a sig of self !!
ascii_field: so it is quite impossible to verify that it is valid per se, without having the payload
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron the only show i wasn't allowed to watch was wwf wrestling
pete_dushenski: lest i try to piledrive my younger brother into the concrete sidewalk or something
ascii_field: (i could explain why one may wish to do this, but will leave it as an exercise)
trinque: danielpbarron: heh me too re: ren & stimpy
trinque: ascii_field: maybe in the case where the payload was munged in regards to whitespace or the like ?
ascii_field: trinque: sometimes one wishes to eat the sig prior to the payload
ascii_field: say, a public www where these can be dropped in a hopper
punkman: ascii_field: well you can sign the detached sig if you please
ascii_field: 'take any sig and then see' creates a ddos vector
ascii_field: punkman: whereas 'sign the sig' again means that you can't take a single file at a time.
trinque: I mean were www sane it would work precisely that way
jurov: yes, if petabyte payload
trinque: sig comes over as part of header, then body
ascii_field: punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field: yeah, why not? you send me a GET, I first tell ya how many bytes to expect, then signature, then body?
jurov: punkman and how does that help with verifying the sig as soon as posible?
punkman: you --sign --armor the detached sig :P
trinque: what I mean by header is perhaps no more than: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
trinque: just put the sig immediately following
trinque: with maybe the hash used and byte length preceding, actually
ascii_field: what if i don't want to hear so much as one byte if sig isn't from l1 ?
trinque: you must at least know what hash to try, yeah?
trinque: and then yes, perhaps the sig validates that information
trinque: I mean in the case of the hash, implicitly so
trinque: or barring that seems like one must simply be chosen and that's that
ascii_field: i mean, i can maybe see a case where this is strategically necessary
trinque: I think it's becoming clear that as mentioned already, none of this shit was ever used in battle.
ascii_field: everybody with a unix box lives & dies by 'diff'
trinque: who will lose his job (or life) if diff fails to work?
jurov: dunno if it's right question
trinque: I don't see anyone on earth who owns diff
jurov: i can imagine someone fearing their job if diff isn't locale-aware
trinque: I was about to discuss that aspect; it's not that no one cares about diff; it's that everyone has conflicting reasons for caring
ascii_field: trinque: can't build so much as a kernel w/out 'diff'
trinque: and nothing focuses them coherently
trinque: so every single piece of open source is compromized to the degree it was ever used at all
jurov: it is shown in archives, so yes
phf: amusingly i tried looking for plan9's diff for some insight. they use a ported gnu version.
mircea_popescu: it's really painless, once one's clear on the process.
ascii_field glad that mircea_popescu liked the concept, but noticed that he signed the old patch
ascii_field: we'll need to do this again. starting with me, optionally
ascii_field: just re-create the genesis by the new recipe
ascii_field: 'For the first time in the century or so of history of this particular human endeavour, text was deliberately structured with due consideration given not only to its meaning, but also to its source, and to its context. Prior attempts at structuring software, at first consisting of a naive approach focused on meaning only, over time added a half-hearted consideration of context, very unequally and rather haphazardly. The
ascii_field: change the V-genesis introduced is exactly like the move from understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass and somewhat velocity, such as it occurs in the mind of a monkey throwing rocks, to understanding and controlling movement in terms of mass, impulse and energy, such as it occurs in the launching of satellites. The proposition that there is still room for improvement in the endless march of human thought,
ascii_field: on this topic as on any other, is absolutely indubitable. The proposition that the sum total of what came before can be compared with this particular advance is strictly ridiculous.' << mega-summary, quoted here for logz readers
punkman: genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << eh
ascii_field: ;;later tell jurov can we PLEASE dispense with the mutilated filenames ?!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, mod you have teh honor. << thanks. I've confirmed that what I get from genesis.vpatch out of thin air is the same manifest as `bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest`.
pete_dushenski: hearn spills guts : "i would actually like to see less consensus in bitcoin development and more authoritarianism"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he's more then welcome to read the logs.
mod6: Alright, lemme fireup the ole gpg-o-matic.
ascii_field: mod6: from here on, everyone who carries out a vdiff on the same inputs shall get the same output.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heh. he probably does when he can't sleep at night
ascii_field: unless we discover yet another 'locale'-like idiocy, in which case it will go on my chopping block
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:01:13; danielpbarron: and I "wasn't allowed" to watch ren and stimpy (had to sneak it)
cazalla: cop a flogging for having x-men trading cards but smashing windows in construction sites got a pass, i swear my old man liked to keep us walking around on egg shells
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 18:46:15; phf: i use to like vice do's&don't's, they were mean and funny. i always thought vice was magazine version of the whole terry richardson, merlin bronques "glam trash" photography, but that was still cool in 2004-2006. i guess it would make sense that they would be faux edgy tech articles, no better or worse then any other online rag, but i can't get over the image of hipsters on heroin writing that shit
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 19:01:28; trinque: and I think I'll continue to just make all the decisions rather than offer options, and then describe how one might proceed from there on their own, if they so desire
mircea_popescu: "A Wisconsin court today entered not guilty pleas on behalf of the two teen defendants in the "Slender Man" stabbing case after their lawyers declined to do so."
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck do defense lawyers have agency in court.
mircea_popescu: oh never mind, my bad. they held silence in protest over jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: fucking abcnews. the defense didn't "decline to do so". the defense DECLINED TO RECOGNISE THE COURT!
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 20:57:09; cazalla: "We are going to have taxation officials travel around the world visiting these companies asking them to register for GST purposes," federal Treasurer Joe Hockey said.
mats: asciilifeform: neat
mircea_popescu: lol buttcoin engaging danielpbarron over gpg etc was pretty lulzy to read.
mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: The rest of us who actually make shit happen in the front lines of consensus back on planet earth will continue to be unaffected by your efforts apart from their modest value as chuckle fuel over beers and sushi."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: toothpaste and lobster, why not, i would like some veal in sauce chantilly and a dollop of cream on my cigar.
mats: brutal week for fiat markets
mats: DJIA down ~500 points
mircea_popescu: mats obama's only actual initiative. fucked in the ass.
mircea_popescu: (ps "c'est etonnant" is no good, in french. "delicious" is worse.)
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:04:36; jurov: sailor moon
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 22:06:28; ascii_field: punkman: didja miss all the 'clearsigning is retardedly broken' threads ?
jurov: mostly cuz it was on rtl2 when we had tv allowed
jurov: and least derpy of them
punkman: clearsigning mostly works. the problem is everything else the clearsigned message will pass through.
punkman: the worst thing off the top of my head is the lack of a full fingerprint in signed message
assbot: All of the Nopes: "There is no such thing as the crime of 'rape'" and that's arguably not the worst part : againstmensrights ... (
http://bit.ly/1JmXd7o )
punkman: also, if have some automated system that works with gpg messages and you aren't running one of the latest 1.* version, messages can be crafted that will DoS/hang your system
punkman: inb4 mp's custom gpg for mpex?
punkman: "oh yeah let's be compatible to PGP 4, because that matters"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the concept of me being able to read the singed thing with my eyes is not broken.