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ben_vulpes: trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well?
trinque: ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers
trinque: no naughty dog, no lawn mower man
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BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy
mats: BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet?
BingoBoingo: mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13}
mats: did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was?
mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one
☟︎ mats: would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm
mats: r/netsec roundup podcast
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ben_vulpes: dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time
ben_vulpes: what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?
trinque: this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid
trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow
trinque: I can put whatever I like in the blockchain
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments
trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy
trinque: 2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now
trinque: saw somebody snagged one for about 600
trinque: asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage
trinque: seems the other route is finding an alpha machine
trinque: oh? I'd be interested in that.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ?
trinque: if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries
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trinque: maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about.
BingoBoingo: strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000
ben_vulpes: scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets
ben_vulpes: libboost-all-dev << what is this horror
ben_vulpes: how would i see what this thing contains
decimation: "It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small."
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave)
ben_vulpes: (^ more or less kills headers-first abomination)
mircea_popescu: incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters?
mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot
gabriel_laddel: I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/
gabriel_laddel: also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members
gabriel_laddel: My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation.
gabriel_laddel: Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up
mircea_popescu: how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ?
mircea_popescu: there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this.
mats: 22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now?
mats: get back to me in a few years, huh
gabriel_laddel: mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with.
mircea_popescu: a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice.
gabriel_laddel: "we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap"
mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
☟︎ decimation: I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches
mircea_popescu: "The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless."
mircea_popescu: yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing.
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway
mircea_popescu: if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is *quite* as sexually driven as yourself .
mircea_popescu: why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ?
mircea_popescu: it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation.
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example.
gabriel_laddel: And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend.
assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym )
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight. i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra. I think its perhaps system related.
mod6: I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school.
mod6: Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done.
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mircea_popescu: Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: “We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war – with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s
mircea_popescu: hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it.” << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows.
mircea_popescu: societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea.
mircea_popescu: that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier.
mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: (note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime)
BingoBoingo: Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy)
BingoBoingo: Not yet. Build... took some time... will try to get further in sync first
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mircea_popescu: certainly can go into deedbot. which will go into the blockchain. which... inception
mircea_popescu: (afaik this would be the first example of a closed loop, which is to say a cyuclicity i nthe graph of modification dependencies
mircea_popescu: imagine the inconvenience of trying to diddle history with this arrangement.
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mod6: BingoBoingo: did you build the whole thing with the stator.sh script? or did you just build bitcoind? or are you running the static binary provided?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Built the whole thing. Hung up once because I was using .gz boost archive instead of .bz2
mod6: yeah, i hit that small problem too... i had other issues further down the line. thanks, i must just have an environment issue.
mod6: i'll have to circle back around to this later.
decimation: bitched about mktemp "(.text+0x774d): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'"
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BingoBoingo: Only pheature I miss from 0.7 series is "getpeerinfo" command
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00040299 = 8.8053 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, next step: force feed bitcoind with array of blocks
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:53:18; asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !
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gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Even after taking a walk I wasn't able to digest your point whatsoever. Your model doesn't take into account a large number of things e.g., people who silently do their homework and never speak with the prof.
gabriel_laddel: That "sex" is omnipresent and influences human choice is a rather obvious observation that I can't *do* anything with.
assbot: williamdune is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
gabriel_laddel: !v assbot:gabriel_laddel.rate.williamdunne.2:0be5b503690d76f7a8c19a002d876fbbe5dde043ca46bc2591d4ac4ce11b9a08
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: also, I don't understand what "trilema.com/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/" has to do with anything
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gabriel_laddel: "This has lead to no end of headaches when hacking on the bitcoind source. I've built bitcoinds in Docker containers and shipped them off to virtualized servers in The Cloud, I've built them in virtual machines local to my own development machine and run them in the selfsame VMs, and I even burned a few hours today attempting to compile bitcoin nat
gabriel_laddel: Today I moved my entire development flow for hacking on bitcoind into an Ubuntu 14.04 virtual machine. This is just a stopgap until I get the time to build a fresh Linux tower with which I'll undertake Gentoo Quest. Again. For real this time, I swear."
assbot: 'Look at the state of you. You're disgusting': Women loses over 10 stone after being humiliated when a man threw a drink over her on a night out because of her size | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1LDmDUf )
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punkman: need more shitgnome shaming
BingoBoingo: Nah, shamming is an attempt to exert control and correction on the part of the target. With hate you don't have to emotionally commit to hoping the target corrects, until they do they are simply trashfolk.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel a) people who aren't being educated aren't being educated, mmkay. why is my model of education supposedly failing to take into account things which aren't part of the field ? b) it was a disucssion of humor, references a quote, from al ink. saw link ?
mircea_popescu: and it's not a matter of "sex" or "omnipresent" or "influence". sex is the basis of all social interaction. education is not an abstract or abstractable abstraction, but social intercourse, exactly like fucking, exactly like seduction, exactly like any other social behaviour.
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punkman: think of all the people they gotta hire
mircea_popescu: heck, throwing transsexuals from rooftops would create jobs.
mircea_popescu: flaying obese people alive and stuffing small african children in the sack of flesh idem.
cazalla: in other news, i spent the arvo putting in another raised garden bed (4.2m x 1.8m), red gum is a really nice timber
cazalla: and here i thought it was as common as international words
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assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 05:35:16; BingoBoingo: ^ Hate works
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assbot: Police in Turkey try to stop Pride parade with water cannons, accidentally creates rainbows - Imgur ... (
http://bit.ly/1CDXf8E )
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kakobrekla: >Cause still unknown after several thousand engineering-hours of review. Now parsing data with a hex editor to recover final milliseconds.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.00629999 = 1.26 BTC [-]
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mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
☟︎ mike_c: ben_vulpes: "I want to know who does this: ./proggy -? to get documentation" << that's the default on windows
mod6: ah, /? works too on d0ze right?
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mod6: ah yah. i remember when I /finally/ figured out about /p
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decimation: as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign
☟︎ decimation: also, these escaped convicts in new york were just summarily executed?
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assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 14:48:57; mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
ascii_field: iirc it's down for maintenance as of last night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00044411 = 34.1743 BTC [-]
mod6: so if i do a `pmap -x <PID>`, i do see: gconv-modules.cache in there.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 04:38:18; asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75574 @ 0.00045191 = 34.1526 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00045681 = 45.2242 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: where's the govt protection for shoe cobblers, butter churners?
trinque: heh I suppose it reduces to "universal base income"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156218 @ 0.00046544 = 72.7101 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:59; decimation: as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign
mircea_popescu: "So began an extraordinary course of events that saw her tweet shared more than 600 times, kick-starting a viral scandal which resulted in the 72-year-old academic"
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 16:38:45; punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
punkman: are they gonna take everyone's money again ? < one way or another
punkman: if anyone's selling BTC, I probably know a few people
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00047629 = 2.9292 BTC [+]
assbot: Major Spike In LocalBitcoins Trading Activity Could Be Due To Scams & Fraud - CCN: Financial Bitcoin News ... (
http://bit.ly/1LypsVO )
mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but the latest comer to "we're a website, we print numbers" side of "financial services" is nevertheless amusing.
ascii_field: anybody else (including mircea_popescu) compare their block hashes with those posted last night ?
mircea_popescu: give it a spin sometime, it's absolutely fantastico economic-wise.
ascii_field would love to, but would have to buy a gpu card, cobble together a box to put it in... and, on top of it all, a 27th hour on the clock
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00047629 = 20.1947 BTC [+]
ascii_field: so the ancient dream of 'sync over netcat' is theoretically doable now.
shinohai likes how ascii_field thinks ....
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trinque: has s-exps in his hand, invents alternate syntax for encoding the "metadata" of pages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112378 @ 0.00047914 = 53.8448 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: shinohai: heh! I've run into ascii_field's posts around the net plenty of times on common lisp quest too
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mats: i wonder who's next -- .it?
BingoBoingo: Stator built bitcoind now has sufficient peers found it gets connections when seeds specified through "addnode" are offline
davout: i need to sink some time into building stator bitcoind for the pogo
trinque: "unreconstructed" << unbanked, unequal, unenlightened, unsaved
trinque: thingify the anti-thing, then hide the thing it anti-ed
ascii_field: davout: 'stator for pogo' is just the old 'portatronic'
ascii_field: davout: you may have noticed that i recycled 95% of the build script from the latter
davout: ascii_field: from what i understand having buildroot + bitcoind required being able to make a static build, right?
davout: but it wasn't possible before because of the dynmic dns glibc crap or do i misunderstand something here?
ascii_field: well, previously bitcoin ~actually invoked~ dns
davout: and that dns stuff works with uclibc?
ascii_field: davout: there is no longer any invocation of dns (in my set)
ascii_field: and apparently the only way to remove it is to build glibc from scratch and link against it
ascii_field: which, in practice, requires a whole toolchain built against the custom glibc
davout: and that was possible before? before the removal of dns crud?
ascii_field: not really. if you invoke dns at all in a glibc proggy, you get the libnss idiocy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00048264 = 27.4622 BTC [+]
ascii_field: anyway, if this thing is to be ran in background on various folks' boxes, it really has to be dedrepperized
mod6: ahh, ok. just wanted you to peek at that end with those boost warnings with getaddrinfo
ascii_field: so it doesn't matter if the thing is a stub
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194413 @ 0.00046692 = 90.7753 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: but this thing isn't battlefield-ready until gconv is shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59387 @ 0.00044921 = 26.6772 BTC [-]
ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering committee" (SC).
☟︎☟︎ ascii_field: The SC is different from the SC in projects like gcc in that it does not make decisions. On this front nothing changed. The only difference is that Stallman now has no right to complain anymore since the SC he wanted acknowledged the status quo. I hope he will now shut up forever.'
ascii_field: ^ re: the 'did rms know' thread of a few days ago
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trinque: because there needed to be a /var/etc, that's why.
trinque: the filesystem hierarchy standard is as lulzy as TLDs
trinque: oh actually on linux it's /var/lib/misc for what I was trying to find... even better
punkman: lulzy differences between distros
trinque: insofar as the LSB thing took
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00047145 = 13.8842 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 19:58:44; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
lobbes: mircea_popescu: this will apply for #eulora too
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 18:10:20; mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
mod6: ascii_field: ok, so there is a way to signal to the dot graph utility to build a graph in a given direction. the default seems to be R->L, and there are only 3 given options: RL, LR, or BT. And if you give it no directional option, it seems to do Top->Bottom which is what we want I think. This thing is quite customizable actually.
mod6: I haven't quited figured out yet how to make this happen.. but there is a way to do this, somehow.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this does make for an interesting question of what to do with the chain after an interstitial block has been snarfed - reverify everything? do nothing?
mod6: ok this can be done, one must turn off DOT_CLEANUP then do some scripting to iterate through all of the .dot files created and then sed the rankdir out of the config.
mod6: but.. problem is, these aren't much better top to bottom than left to right, they're still gonna be pretty wide.
mod6: lot more config would be required to get them narrow enough to be "nice"
mod6: i'll come back to this later.
mod6: at least it can be manipualted
decimation: mod6: are you trying to make a 'dot' graph of the blockchain?
decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled
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mod6: decimation: ah, well, once i get this sorted out, maybe I can do something about that part too.
decimation: in some ways, the code is 'easier' to read with all of the macros in one spot
decimation: but in another way (ie unwinding call graphs) it would be 'easier' if the preprocessor macros were unwound
cazalla: what is that BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It's refillable mega sized gas station mugs on a handcart.
cazalla: looks like protein powder, mebe they're getting their exercise on ya fat shamer (hater)
BingoBoingo: No, some of the gas station mugs share that similar shape and coloration
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis Model T: "i am a beta fuck"-mobile. thoughts?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis re: model t, i suppose would be better
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mod6: ok actualy, those graphs dont looks as bad as I had thought.
mod6: i think maybe they should go the other direction tho? so anyway, I'm gonna put up a temp/test dir so you guys can take a look
mod6: i've orientated them Top->Bottom "TB"
mod6: out of like 1600 odd graphs, only ~1450 actually have a config with the standard directional line in there "rankdir"
mod6: so.. there's like a bunch that might still go another directoin
mod6: asciilifeform && ascii_field ^^
mod6: i should add that i can make these SVG graphs too, if that seems like it might be somehow better
ben_vulpes: i wonder what red/black/grey boxes around the files mean.
mod6: www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/diagrams.html << check out the section about half way down that says "elements in the graphs generated by the dot tool have the following meaning:"
ben_vulpes: you can tell me to rtfm my feels won't get all hurt :P
mod6: this thing's documentation is kinda spotty, ironically
ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski
☟︎ decimation: ideally it would be nice to have call graphs that trace the movement of data
ben_vulpes: there's about a mile of difference between an 'app' that does god-knows-what on your iPnohe and a piece of code that...can be inspected.
ben_vulpes: decimation: d'you know of anything that does that?
decimation: man I think I remember seeing automated call graph code
decimation: I don't see any graphs on that doxygen/test page
tcrypt: ben_vulpes: sorry, was the "who're you?" directed toward me? I'm just a dude interested in assets on the blockchain
tcrypt: seemed like a good channel to join
ben_vulpes: there's your research task for showing up