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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00049298 = 17.7473 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2015 21:56:53; mircea_popescu: ascii_field "At some point I may do a similar surgical extraction for GPG 1.4.10’s entropy gatherer, but this is a very different project." << i have nfi why you'd be including "software entropy generators".
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2015 20:25:35; mircea_popescu: (have you ever noticed that nobody ever fucking publishes the names of the agentura ? if say a police officer is ever NAMED he's either in a fringe local paper in a red state or else accused of something. it's never "the swat team, composed of x y z and k" or so forth. )
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2015 22:03:01; mircea_popescu: (Sometimes I think that perhaps one of the best things I could do with my life is: find a gigantic pile of proprietary software that was a trade secret, and start handing out copies on a street corner so it wouldn't be a trade secret any more, and perhaps that would be a much more efficient way for me to give people new free software than actually writing it myself; but everyone is too cowardly to ev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00048687 = 6.0372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00049325 = 17.3624 BTC [+]
mod6: happy birthday asciilifeform :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64209 @ 0.00048571 = 31.187 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63791 @ 0.00048131 = 30.7032 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00047983 = 13.4112 BTC [-]
PeterL: and happy b-day to you. I guess it is a good day for a birthday
PeterL: what is it going to do with the entropy it creates?
PeterL: does using "to" instead of "too" indicate something about the level of competence going into this?
mircea_popescu: these are the same people who collectively opted not to give gates dailyt whirlies when he started with HIS whiny bullshit (also in the 80s)
mircea_popescu: these are the same people reacting to some "company" saying something vague AS IF IT MATTERED.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00048015 = 8.7387 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Happy bday to alf and happy birthing day to peterl
PeterL: so wouldn't the enemy just need to know which file you are using, and then it is worthless?
PeterL: then does it need to be part of pgp?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35201 @ 0.00049385 = 17.384 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: PeterL the only way otp works is with prior agreement. as alf says, there's no known alternative ot this.
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 03:55:50; mircea_popescu: but the important point is, "too cowardly to take them".
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 02:05:20; asciilifeform: (freedos folks make a show of refusing to look at it)
mircea_popescu: now, you can in practice have "prior agreement after the fact", to use the consecrated legal concept (ie, if someone tells you what to use after you got the file, but you "know" it's right because it decrypts to something meaningful). but this doesn't seem much of a variation.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the hooks to use the tool any way you might want is a part of a well designed tool. this is why a hammer comes with the hook at the other end for pulling out nails, even for hammers you buy to only hurt your fingers with.
mircea_popescu: the spec accounts for this, that there should be a hook there. otherwise i fully expect most people will just use the standard dictionary if they ever use the mode at all.
☟︎ BingoBoingo awaits magic future/past where electronics contact cleaner can be used on energized devices.
BingoBoingo just sprayed a bunch of isohexane at car radio
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 04:25:09; mircea_popescu: the spec accounts for this, that there should be a hook there. otherwise i fully expect most people will just use the standard dictionary if they ever use the mode at all.
mircea_popescu: After staring at this commitment string for a little while, we suspected (or, if you prefer, we had a divine inspiration) that the first 10 digits might represent the ISBN number of a published book.
mircea_popescu: i can';t fucking believe randi actually went with homebrew crypto\
mircea_popescu: jesus christ how fucking unskeptical, anti-scientific must one be.
mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen anyone else on the whole fucking planet having heard of isbn. it's just an industrial process after all!"
mircea_popescu: then we derride youths that go around in chinese made tshirts saying they're unique. but the difference would be...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what are you trying to accomplish ? << making control buttons work again after extended exposure to cigarette smoking
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo removing entrails of dead weasel from cassette slot << Ghosts of cigarettes past
BingoBoingo: how long will it take for acetone to dry at 29F
PeterL: or turn the car on and run the heater a bit?
☟︎ BingoBoingo not taking radio apart, just spraying and waiting
BingoBoingo: disconnected battery to keep radio/clock from energizing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14458 @ 0.00049257 = 7.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: Prime Minister's Media Office: The Iraqi government calls on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q6mYl4 )
BingoBoingo: Car radio progress report: buttons are getting more responsive. Will likely finish the can on the radio some warmer night next week.
gribble: Current Blocks: 386791 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 280 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.78, vol: 10797.14834601 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.114, vol: 10133.70449 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.11, vol: 21207.30570728 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 4.91 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 380.414166, vol: 94465.59940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 372.0, vol: 78.95869822 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 375.498, vol: 37.81766707 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00047982 / 0.00049753 / 0.00051167 (5809483 shares, 2,890.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00047982 / 0.00050242 / 0.00052434 (12541485 shares, 6,301.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00047982 / 0.0005178 / 0.00057294 (57301369 shares, 29,670.98 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6342 @ 0.00049257 = 3.1239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00049264 = 15.3704 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00049445 = 9.3451 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00049361 = 13.673 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24197 @ 0.00049502 = 11.978 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00049636 = 13.774 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00049534 = 24.024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10769 @ 0.00049635 = 5.3452 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11899 @ 0.00049269 = 5.8625 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <nubbins`> autographs for only 5 tx fees
☟︎ gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 32 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
gribble: mats was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds ago: <mats> rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 23 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45925 @ 0.00048853 = 22.4357 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00048483 = 9.0178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00049677 = 39.4932 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00048344 = 11.941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6044 @ 0.00048597 = 2.9372 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19118 @ 0.00048131 = 9.2017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9568 @ 0.00048131 = 4.6052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0004968 = 11.029 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: never you mind about when i've been seen
☟︎ adlai: we need you, who else will print the printable product?
adlai hazards a guess that most anything c++ doesn't pass the "worth killing trees to print" test
nubbins`: i don't think cotton dies when you pick it, and cotton paper is nicer
nubbins`: anyway, to bind a 300-page book via this method would produce a wonderful lay-flat tome, and only take smth like 13 hours
adlai: please refrain from moving goalposts in the direction of tolerating a shittierd turdatron :)
adlai tries to refrain from wondering whether printability could be achieved faster thru "throw the first one away"ing
adlai: would have more historic value to use THE classic bitcoinatron, with the benefit that this is something we can print today
adlai: still, my wonder stands... you can build altturds, that will function on the network as deterministically as powerturd or phoundatiurd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00049111 = 10.1905 BTC [-] {3}
adlai: sure, but pre0.8 could disagree with itself nondeterministically... in this sense bitcoin didn't even exist
adlai: and may not exist today, with any client, either
nubbins`: adlai it's totally possible that it may not be possible to build a working client w/o hardcoded exceptions to shit that nobody realizes is broken yet
nubbins`: totally possible that it may not be possible wtf
nubbins` kills self, rues not reading enough
adlai: you code by what you know today, and flail about trying to quantify unknown unknowns for risk hedging
adlai: anything else is self-delusion
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00011 / 0.00011016 / 0.000115 (59700 shares, 6.58 BTC)
adlai wonders when tide rising out from s.mpoe will overflow elsewhere... could be a nice change!
nubbins`: [13:13:30] -SaslServ- 3 failed logins since last login.
nubbins`: [13:13:30] -SaslServ- Last failed attempt from: Nubbins!62717b9f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.113.123.159 on Nov 16 02:17:30 2015.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34442 @ 0.00049495 = 17.0471 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17681 @ 0.00048412 = 8.5597 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 15:57:35; mike_c: ;;later tell adlai yeah, I don't see why not. I'll take a look at posting it somewhere.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00049095 = 15.514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00048295 = 8.9346 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00048131 = 13.2601 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00048131 = 14.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00048869 = 3.3475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14696 @ 0.00048494 = 7.1267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00048119 = 11.6929 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I'm sober tonight. Too lazy to go get booze.
adlai: trading: driving + paid by the kilo for running over pedestrians
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if we don't plan to use it then it's not really much priority.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 04:43:56; PeterL: or turn the car on and run the heater a bit?
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 16:46:32; nubbins`: never you mind about when i've been seen
mircea_popescu: nubbins` for the record, there's no further work needed to run eulora on osx, phf got it going.
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 23:20:54; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if we don't plan to use it then it's not really much priority.
pete_dushenski: "There is a signicant gender earnings gap in Denmark which persists when comparing men and women in the same occupation at the same firm. Many economists have run regressions to decompose the wage gap into whatever can be explained by observable differences between men
pete_dushenski: and women and a residual. The residual is often attributed to discrimination [Altonji and Blank, 1999]. A less explored possibility is that women are being paid less than men because they are less productive for unobservable reasons. In this paper, I will describe how much (or little) of the difference in earnings for men and women can be explained by differences in their productivity. Studying private-sector
ascii_field: perfectly honest dishonest wurk whatsyerprblem
adlai: damn hyperspec doesn't specify (butlast l 0)
adlai must be spoiled as well, in his expectations of specification