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mircea_popescu: metzger could be that blind schmuck in
systemd could be gavin etc.
assbot: Anybody know how I can stop
systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the curtis yarvin brand of
systemd called ? i forget ?
the_scourge: asciilifeform: if you're implying it's not lightweight, only
systemd and the kernel are installed off the bat. and some guys have done work on a systemdless setup
mircea_popescu: in any case purge that
systemd atrocity , as a matter of principle if not necessarily practicality.
mircea_popescu: trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't
systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.
trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't
systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in
systemd"
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that <<
Systemd free, but... better venue for introducing microsoft refugees to not MS. Not really next step to get better at *nix
mircea_popescu: "Also, I used to read their logs on IRC, and there was a guy called 'pankkake' (also in btctalk) who seems to have vanished. I think its because they disagreed regarding the fork thing, so if anyone could share the light on his views, that'd be interesting too since I used to value his thoughts." <<< wasn't that over the
systemd fork of linux !?
BingoBoingo still reeling over last week's discovery that of all distros Linux Mint appears as though it will be a
systemd holdout.
BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take
systemd onto a spaceship
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I realize that, but no
systemd should be considered a feature IMO. One I forgot to list.
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to fork into "
systemd-node" and "System D Nodes"
mircea_popescu: all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like
systemd.
mircea_popescu: " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running
systemd davout: the way i see this whole conundrum evolve is that eventually
systemd will be renamed 'ubuntu'
Adlai wonders when system d will begin using
systemd mircea_popescu: ". It’s growing all the time and now handles logging, device hotplugging events, networking, scheduled actions (like Cron) and much more. Almost every major Linux distribution has adopted
Systemd, but there are still some unhappy campers out there,"
mircea_popescu: "Few pieces of software in history have been so fiercely debated as
Systemd. "
decimation: later on he describes people who like
systemd as "progressive" and those who reject it as 'conservative'
decimation: "So we started writing
Systemd, and Red Hat didn’t like it at all. Red Hat management said: no, we’re going for Upstart, don’t work on that. So I said, OK, I’ll work on it in my free time. Eventually Red Hat realised that the problems we solved with
Systemd were relevant, and were problems that needed to be solved, and that you couldn’t ignore them."
BingoBoingo: It's
systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
mircea_popescu: no wonder ubuntu and
systemd are what's left on that smoldering pyre.
mircea_popescu: at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove
systemd superiority by photographic cpus with tomograph units
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 18:02:01; asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the
systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 11:41:37; jurov: bwahaha
SYSTEMD IS ALWAYS RIGHT
jurov: bwahaha
SYSTEMD IS ALWAYS RIGHT
☟︎ undata: I tried
systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug
BingoBoingo: Yeah
systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something.
undata: I've been doing some reading on
systemd; I had no idea just how many services it ate
mats_cd03: now, to look for another distro now that debian's been converted to
systemd....
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I said
systemd was a fungus. I agree, I don't see how this kind of thing is tolerable. Politically, I think Linus is up against a wall to some degree, because he knows redhat, inc pays for most of the kernel 'zeks'
mircea_popescu: decimation basically this
systemd is a ms windows of 1990s reboot.
decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with
systemd, c) if hate
systemd that much, but love udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus
decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make udev depend on
systemd assbot: When kdbus will become merged in kernel, using udev without
systemd will become impossible. Lennart shuts down discussion calling any opposition "haters". : linux ... (
http://bit.ly/12e8Sad )
mircea_popescu: and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using
systemd."
mircea_popescu: in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at
systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack.
mircea_popescu: later in that thread, "(This
systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)"
mircea_popescu: holy shit is there something that's done right in
systemd?
mircea_popescu: sees the query from victims upstream DNS, but since
systemd-resolved also uses fix
decimation: actually, the bigger question about
systemd dependencies is this: what dependency of
systemd is actually worth bothering about?
mircea_popescu: basically, gut it, use the remaining shell as a
systemd-standardized interface for sane components.
mircea_popescu: one question left hanging in my head : once all the effort trying to push
systemd is spent, why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head. specifically, that runs as an instance even if the root doesn't have it, and that masquerades as
systemd to satisfy fake dependencies.
decimation: * a few cycles of personal
systemd experience
decimation: at any rate, asciilifeform makes a good point, the main ding against
systemd is that its main author has written several well-known turds, thus the fruit of the tree
decimation: but
systemd is worse, in the sense that it adds a layer of obfuscation
decimation: speaking of which mircea_popescu: so you called it with the debian GR re:
systemd, they 'voted' to make init scripts 'optional'
mircea_popescu: decimation one of the most interesting aspects of
systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc.
decimation: I might try 'funtoo' if he is serious about no
systemd decimation:
http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support
systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. "
mircea_popescu: if this turns into another "you're mean and a cult because
systemd" thing i swear...
assbot: oss-sec: CVE-request:
systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning