mircea_popescu: if moldy had bothered to run the demos rather than just too busy sitting on ass and opining, he'd have noticed this theory is about as leaky as his submarines.
mircea_popescu: well, the ones contained in the theory. apparatchick count, ivy league output, rich list.
mircea_popescu: see how many kids rich people of 1960 had, how many of them are in ivy league in 1980,
mircea_popescu: and if you say "this is midwest only" or "this is non democrat only " you already lost.
mircea_popescu: otherwise teh empty rhetoric is suspect of well... that.
mircea_popescu: suppose the converse. i have a girl with any of my women, she witnesses the life in a harem geowing up, i tell her all the dirty secrets of the world because i dfon't give a fuck, i encourage her to parade naked in town when she's 16 and so on, and when i die i leave her half a billion in untraceable money.
mircea_popescu: obviously the offspring of the powerful will do just fine, unless a) the powerful's just a fake elite ;b) the offspring's retarded or c) both.
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:52:32; asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
the_scourge: er, sorry. irssi not co-operating with x today
the_scourge: i was reading some really old logs and ended up mindwandering into some things about consensus and the various btc implementations. i know the xcp guys have crossed this bridge as well, slightly different angle
the_scourge: i don't care for reddit but the btcd guys were engaging in discussion on there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00037484 = 60.4242 BTC [-]
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours :: 1.25 B (54%) on Yes, 1.06 B (46%) on No | closing in 23 hours 28 minutes | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 100`000) ... (
http://bit.ly/1z8Murz )
the_scourge: now i know who they were and i still don't care
the_scourge: at least i'm better at unremembering things nowadays
cazalla: ^^^ this guy might've been able to steal more if he had the enough coins to make it worth his while to do some friendly fraud on coinbase but who knows
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I guess we are counting on the deliberation time being widely reported
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00038409 = 28.2306 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42807 @ 0.00038415 = 16.4443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170937 @ 0.00038299 = 65.4672 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ? << I think so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which reminds me, you know the joke with the jew an' the big mean dog ?
mircea_popescu: a scrawny jewish real estate agent is going down the street to show a house to a customer. on the way, a large butchery, and in it a huge dog
mircea_popescu: which starts to bark quite furious. the jew stops in fear
mircea_popescu: the butcher, a huge guy with a huge mustache, "don't be afraid, it won't bite"
mircea_popescu: have you talked with the dog about this, or is it entirely your own opinion ?"
decimation: I wonder if it is because I joined before the cloak took effect
decimation: it's funny, I don't see many incoming packets
punkman: what's with the "(quit: Changing host)"?
punkman: decimation: you need to use SASL
punkman: decimation: you were already using it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you notice how my shit grows on one in retrospect ?
decimation: punkman: ah no, apparently I failed to configure it when I changed computers
mircea_popescu: starts as a joke, which is kinda funny, except haha, only funny, except hm... etc.
mircea_popescu: what did the father of the girl schopenhauer was courting say ?
mircea_popescu: "he's a nice enough fellow, if only he were more serious."
mircea_popescu: actually it would in principle bar any sort of legally organised body from ever using the software.
mircea_popescu: well but if the whole thing's tossed then they have not acquired the right to use it.
punkman: next we will start planning the real unmonastery
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:19:43; mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89394 @ 0.0003716 = 33.2188 BTC [-]
decimation: apparently my ISP simply cuts me off if there's an incoming flood
mircea_popescu: standard practice on cheap home connections, and the only reason the shit's even effective in any sense.
decimation: I was watching incoming packets on my main router
decimation: went from something to zero, but it took about 30 seconds
mircea_popescu: cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that."
cazalla: well, at least they had the sense to avoid zhou's coinjar by going with bitpos instead
cazalla: might raise the eyebrow of vexual, think we're the only 2 aussies..
mircea_popescu: there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do.
mircea_popescu: if you can do it with a toothbrush you could ... restore art, or make your own, or be a surgeon or etc.
decimation: maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc?
mircea_popescu: decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway
mircea_popescu: and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets
mircea_popescu: chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!"
decimation: mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though
decimation: I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here
mircea_popescu: in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure.
decimation: well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit
decimation: are you a professional with a license?
mircea_popescu: i am the one that sold the ukalele guggenheim bridge in abudja
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104219 @ 0.00037237 = 38.808 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: learn to write twenty-one days books in just twenty-one days
mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one day book authors"
mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one years old twenty-one day book authors"
mircea_popescu: how i learned twenty one languages twenty one times in twenty one days
cazalla: figured it was new aspect to that story, don't remember reading in logs he planned to arrest that chick
mircea_popescu: yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story
mircea_popescu: anyway, he can't actually do it. you can;t arrest a president.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108850 @ 0.00037444 = 40.7578 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130795 @ 0.00036764 = 48.0855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40886 @ 0.0003676 = 15.0297 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: I could try it again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53761 @ 0.00036626 = 19.6905 BTC [-]
mod6: yeah, two seperate runs
mod6: hmm. i remember this bit of code in main
danielpbarron: my pogo running asciilifeform's bastard crashes quite often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99475 @ 0.00036382 = 36.191 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: the old-fashioned laptop spinny drive arrive today
danielpbarron: what about spinning drive for swap and usb3 flash drive for chain
danielpbarron: what is the prefered format for documentation? .txt, .html ?
mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that??
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00036126 = 38.4381 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95132 @ 0.00036576 = 34.7955 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: thanks for the links asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]
mod6 digs through debug.log
punkman: oh wait, not very relevant
punkman: that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye
mod6: asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
mod6: (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
mod6: ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]
assbot: checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )
mod6: anyway, guess it doesnt matter
mod6: is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
punkman: connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work
mod6: good-ole ATC taught us that :]
mod6: aight. time to test this out.
mod6: ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
mod6: as opposed to these:
ben_vulpes: i come in unprepared for this conversation
mod6: asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
ben_vulpes: sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions
ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: first one is muerte
mod6: second one was active 1.34.180.245
mod6: yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!
mod6: PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.
mod6: i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
mod6: im gonna leave this sync run overnight.
mod6: for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24}
punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: ;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: irdial is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter
cazalla: i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
jurov: you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
mthreat: jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure. MP said he would send it back if I want.
cazalla: well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
jurov: do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?
jurov: it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1
cazalla: i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
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http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5514.50957001 BTC. Current weight: 3,130.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]
adlai: bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]
jurov: gotta launch the pogoplug
mod6: no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001.
mircea_popescu: this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.
mircea_popescu: it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
mircea_popescu: note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
mircea_popescu: the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
mircea_popescu: decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
mircea_popescu: obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
mircea_popescu: so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
mircea_popescu: it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
mircea_popescu: same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
mircea_popescu: mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
mircea_popescu: the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
thestringpuller: o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
mircea_popescu: she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.
mircea_popescu: my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
mircea_popescu: seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
mircea_popescu: (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
mircea_popescu: mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
punkman: mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
jurov: re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?
jurov: it must be enabled in any case
jurov: compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default
PeterL: mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
jurov: half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.
jurov: i've got only a puddle fortunately.
mircea_popescu: what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?
jurov: yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"
jurov: tap water is off. time to open beer!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4}
davout: asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
mircea_popescu: davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind
davout: !s if you can't stop fucking with it
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.
davout: i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60
davout: and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping
mircea_popescu: davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.
mircea_popescu: not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.
jurov: and that if you know anyone in germany
mircea_popescu: im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.
davout: asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it
mircea_popescu: it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: who manufactures the pogo?
davout: i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription
mircea_popescu: davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O
mircea_popescu: this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.
punkman: loss leader only in bezzleland
punkman: there has to be some chinese knockoff
fluffypony: they're in country at customs, should be delivered
fluffypony: it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program
fluffypony: and you pay for customs / duties up-front
mod6: << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.
fluffypony: $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)
mod6: mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste:
http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu mod6: or internal log number: 1805961
mod6: 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140
mircea_popescu: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?
mod6: anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!
mod6: dig it up from ? the debug log?
mircea_popescu: ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"
mod6: i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.
mod6: ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.
punkman: does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?
trinque: my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]
mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
thestringpuller: "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."
thestringpuller: d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?
thestringpuller: changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.
trinque: thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?
trinque: thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater
thestringpuller: i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that
thestringpuller: but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money
nubbins`: thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape
nubbins`: so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer
nubbins`: this is the only reason her face is everywhere
nubbins`: oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film
thestringpuller: you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead
mircea_popescu: she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.
nubbins`: sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her
mircea_popescu: one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.
nubbins`: so's the rest of her famous family
nubbins`: all of a sudden it's about you?!
nubbins`: y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter
nubbins`: if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags
thestringpuller: because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.
nubbins`: A++++++ would wait in line again
trinque: nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans
nubbins`: i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer
mircea_popescu: you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D
nubbins`: t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads
nubbins`: i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years
nubbins`: 8 if you count english-language
trinque: yelling on the street corner != rape
mircea_popescu: not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.
nubbins`: MICHELLE OBAMA: PREGNANT BY ONE MAN, IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER
nubbins`: thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!
nubbins`: marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people
mircea_popescu: <trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.
nubbins`: not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.0003785 = 27.8008 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$
nubbins`: there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version
trinque: among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak
http... nubbins`: is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?
nubbins`: asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle
nubbins`: i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.
mircea_popescu: "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."
mircea_popescu: happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.
mircea_popescu: the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.
mircea_popescu: to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"
mircea_popescu: "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"
mircea_popescu: they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway
mircea_popescu: "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."
trinque: looks like they want to kill etc too
mircea_popescu: this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"
nubbins`: seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever
trinque: big wink at the camera there
mircea_popescu: journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)
nubbins`: ethernet, usb built in as well
nubbins`: [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?
nubbins`: what sorta chip's that running on?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user
nubbins`: asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?
nubbins`: ^ that's what i've got kicking around
nubbins`: will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage
nubbins`: netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)
nubbins`: so useless to me from the get-go for that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?
mircea_popescu: the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.
ben_vulpes: our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
mircea_popescu: "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote
mircea_popescu: "What is the zip code of your primary business location?"
mircea_popescu: check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.
ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?
ben_vulpes: girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
mircea_popescu: seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.
ben_vulpes: dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.
ben_vulpes: commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115543 @ 0.00037498 = 43.3263 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... (
http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )
felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?
mike_c: ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
mike_c: !gettrust felipelalli jurov
mike_c: felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
jurov: felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.
felipelalli: actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.
felipelalli: !rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."
assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1F6Ats9 )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
jurov: Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule
nubbins`: cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]
jurov: satoshidice.com down. interesting
assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1zgegas )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7}
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"
pete_dushenski: i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.
phillipsjk: I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6}
phillipsjk: It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.
teward: phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]
teward: asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on
teward: AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk
phillipsjk: The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.
teward: phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.
phillipsjk: I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot
teward: because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched
jurov: kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?
phillipsjk: I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.
jurov: why? and i did not say it must be your signature
teward: ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o
kakobrekla: idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]
phillipsjk: teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.
phillipsjk: I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)
teward: phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered
jurov: kakobrekla that wouldn't help
mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
☟︎ jurov: kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh
kakobrekla: i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.
pete_dushenski: italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."
assbot: Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... (
http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.
jurov: kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to
jurov: i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/
jurov: so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway
pete_dushenski: if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it
mircea_popescu: that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine
jurov: but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by
http mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed
mircea_popescu: jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.
jurov: yes. i agree. so i am stuck with
jurov: 2) doing like query
jurov: 3) getting key by fingerprint
jurov: 4) rechecking the dam sig
jurov: the db cointains users without l2
mircea_popescu: i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.
phillipsjk: I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)
jurov: 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches
jurov: but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism
mircea_popescu: jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.
jurov: replace 2) by grepping is doable
jurov: but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway
mircea_popescu: but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.
phillipsjk: The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.
mircea_popescu: was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?
phillipsjk: DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.
jurov: apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it
jurov: it can only change delimiter not escape data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9
mircea_popescu: jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."
jurov: mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.
jurov: i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server
mircea_popescu: jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq
jurov: 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?
jurov: 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server
jurov: i described these 4 steps above
jurov: step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2
jurov: ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?
mircea_popescu: i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.
phillipsjk: I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.
phillipsjk: I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.
mircea_popescu: "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."
mircea_popescu: the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.
trinque: it exists because wikipedia... guffaw
phillipsjk: I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.
phillipsjk: The UDP flood was almost full packets.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".
phillipsjk: er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)
ben_vulpes: x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day
ben_vulpes: i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]
the_scourge: "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."
the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy
ben_vulpes: when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
mircea_popescu: if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it
the_scourge: woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before
the_scourge: asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people
cjc: Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)
trinque: ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."
the_scourge: i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(
the_scourge: i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)
the_scourge: phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw
trinque: the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along
trinque: pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself
phillipsjk: Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.
the_scourge: trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore
cjc: There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.
cjc: I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.
trinque: the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it
ben_vulpes: <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?
trinque: you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom
the_scourge: is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?
trinque: dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.
trinque: vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going
mircea_popescu: today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.
mircea_popescu: i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.
mircea_popescu: stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.
punkman: Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."
trinque: railroad's running right on time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?
BingoBoingo: Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers
trinque: holy *shit*; life in prison?
trinque: dude's being drawn and quartered as an example
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually
BingoBoingo: But must almost always be some sort of super majority
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.
assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... (
http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )
cazalla: yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)
BingoBoingo: Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.
cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content
cazalla: it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit
cazalla: it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)
pete_dushenski: following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new
pete_dushenski: some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,
the_scourge: so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?
pete_dushenski: which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age
pete_dushenski: see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that
pete_dushenski: so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids
the_scourge: the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those
nubbins`: Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101
nubbins`: pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
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jurov: thanks kakobrekla!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
phillipsjk: some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.
phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
pete_dushenski: dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people
pete_dushenski: so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild
pete_dushenski: it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality
pete_dushenski: where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them
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pete_dushenski: the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes
pete_dushenski: similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
mircea_popescu: cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that works
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
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mircea_popescu: if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
mircea_popescu: then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
mircea_popescu: not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"
cazalla: mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
cazalla: local dialup isp even had bbqs
mircea_popescu: o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
mircea_popescu: The well-heeled group seemed receptive. “I think it’s fantastic,” said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. “I’ve never seen anything like this before.” Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
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mircea_popescu: "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
mircea_popescu: o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?
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kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
cazalla: mircea_popescu, barbers as well?
cazalla: i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess
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ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
ben_vulpes: what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?