mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is. <<< well, at the previous point the enemy was not an enemy at all, just a bunch of derps. it's ony recently that trilema went from "power rangers" to "gavin has turned", and for a while there prior to the 2013 debacle he was not even being treated in concordance with the idiocy

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila

mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process"

mircea_popescu: "Thanks for being a class act, Gavin." hahaha srsly ?

mircea_popescu: i hear gavin is planning to fork bitcoin and make his own version.

mircea_popescu: assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin' <<< mmmmywah, that was really on the table lol.

mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.

mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.

mircea_popescu: punkman fwiw, http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ was july 2013.

mircea_popescu: gavin did a pretty ok job in 2012, too.

mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.

mircea_popescu: anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project.

mircea_popescu: conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc.

mircea_popescu: what may perhaps happen is a day when gavin, mike and co finally go full-ethereum

mircea_popescu: othernubs` there's really no cause to fork the name too. let the gavin-mike-dorkteam run into obscurity and that's that.

mircea_popescu: mike_c because gavin wants a fork

mircea_popescu: usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"

mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.

mircea_popescu: i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.

mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value

mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers

mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?

mircea_popescu: the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.

mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.

mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.

mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.

mircea_popescu: "To soften my comment, I would not want to replace Gavin with some loony that thinks the USG is competent enough to undermine bitcoin in any organized way. All this talk about Mike and Gavin being stooges is absurd, and undermines my respect for much of the other (very insightful) stuff you guys write on the Internet. They can be wrong, without being corrupt."

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski by mistake as in, gavin fucked up.

mircea_popescu: but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.

mircea_popescu: it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,

mircea_popescu: bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.

mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.