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jurov: but to shield shorter wavelength, you need smaller holes in it
ben_vulpes: anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram
pete_dushenski: well, we have some folks dropping by shortly so ima make some waves !
ascii_field: shortwave.
decimation: to the point that they can effectively jam shortwave for miles
asciilifeform: as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)
decimation: I find shortwave to be more interesting
ascii_field: with soda & shortwave radio ?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
decimation: and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience ☟︎
decimation: back in the day, ham radio folks used to run something much like fidonet except completely over shortwave/vhf radio
trinque: trilema and loper I expect to be able to get via hamsterwheel shortwave gossipd someday
decimation: gps, shortwave, longwave, etc
decimation: For something like shortwave broadcast, this is what you would want
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is. ☟︎
ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station
decimation: but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers
decimation: jurov: surely they received it on shortwave
decimation: my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz
assbot: WWCR.com | Home - WWCR Shortwave, Nashville, Tennessee, USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crd8Td )
decimation: shortwave in the us is a desert of crazy
nubbins`: you pick up some bizarre things on shortwave sometimes
asciilifeform: how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
decimation: in theory it could be used on shortwave, if you had the hardware for it
decimation: if anyone is interested in simulation, usg publishes a free software package to simulate shortwave paths: http://www.voacap.com/prediction.html
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
decimation: PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using
PeterL: how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave?
decimation: the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
decimation: asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
asciilifeform: (nor an immediate transposability to shortwave/message-in-bottle)
asciilifeform: shortwave radio, castaway bottles, obelisks.
mircea_popescu: decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway.
decimation: AM on shortwave is ~12 kHz
decimation: I think what shortwave would be better for would be a transaction network
decimation: at any rate, I'm not sure that shortwave is really suited for blockchain broadcast unless one had a really big transmitter (and more importantly - government-allocated bandwidth)
Overand: shortwave could work.
decimation: most shortwave broadcasters limit their DRM to 14 kHz
Overand: decimation: Also, I'm a ham radio operator, I've had plenty of conversations via shortwave
decimation: Overand: shortwave is plenty reliable, depending on your expectations
Overand: Shortwave's fine, but it's subject to a ton of ionospheric stuff.
kakobrekla: for that you need shortwave, not optics.
asciilifeform: or when there's a gap in the usg shortwave jammers
asciilifeform: or shortwave.
decimation: most of the modems that are now in use on shortwave are designed to turn the natural broadcast medium into a point-to-point link
asciilifeform: at any rate, tiny packets plus fountain code plus each one is signed, will work great with transmission media other than internet (say, shortwave)
asciilifeform: parameters of raptorcode can be tweaked depending on noise floor values (e.g. shortwave in the apocalyptic wasteland requires more 'leg room' than comfortable modern net under ideal peacetime conditions)
asciilifeform: this is more of a shortwavecoin apocalypse gizmo.
asciilifeform: this also neatly dovetails into 'apocalyptic shortwave radio' net.
decimation: no - shortwave
decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of the first Stierlitz episode where he receives the enciphered message on shortwave
decimation: bitcoin <is> shortwavecoin
asciilifeform: shortwavecoin awaits.
bounce: shortwave radio mailing lists? o_O?
asciilifeform: i confess that i rather like the mailing list idea. readily convertible to 'apocalyptic' shortwave radio...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were probably thinking of blockchain-over-shortwave ?
decimation: X-Rob, that's pretty neat to have a freepbx dev here. There needs to be some method to move some of this onto shortwave
decimation: asciilifeform: FYI you can listen to that Morse code vaccuum pendulum clock on the remote shortwave receiver I linked a few days ago.
decimation: asciilifeform re: clocks << http://ok0epb.nagano.cz/index.php?page=Main+page << Czech guy built a Froment clock, put in vaccuum chamber, transmits time using Morse code on shortwave
decimation: poor-man's substitute: single channel shortwave receivers available on-demand: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/ and http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
asciilifeform waits for shortwave-mpex
asciilifeform: orlov, if i recall, answers 'bitcoin' with 'the net dies in $nibble years and where's your shortwave, huh. count me out.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: we should have an open line << what's it cost / who one needs to kill / etc. to get a shortwave channel?
asciilifeform: works best with the (hypothetical) north korean blockchain shortwave repeater.
decimation: I prefer to keep the lower frequency EM fields around my house pure, so I can receive shortwave well
decimation: spam the shortwave spectrum for a few megabits
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: your second homework is to play ussr national anthem using a pc, c or cpp program, and a shortwave radio.
DrSteveBrule: My apologies, I don't want to sound like one of those crazy people who just wants to come in a speak bullshit. My reasons for my current short position are 1) Elliot wave principle 2) I don't think the Chinese gov likes bitcoin 3) 4 million dollars worth of option puts bought on http://mpex.co/
decimation: actually btc might work on shortwave
asciilifeform: btc over shortwave!
asciilifeform: pankkake: this is where the shortwave comes in.
asciilifeform: you should tell him about slavecoin-over-shortwave.
asciilifeform: for short-range EMP, the Serbian method ought to work: ordinary kitchen microwaves with a stick jamming the door sensor.
Diablo-D3: shortwave is probably too high bandwidth for what we want
Diablo-D3: so what, just bouncing it off shortwave using high gain antennas?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: without ionosphere bounce (shortwave, <30MHz) or something like MBC you will have a very short usable distance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly relevant to your future "Bitcoin over shortwave" station: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a207831.pdf ☟︎