pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800
☟︎ shinohai: But then you'd own an Apple product.
trinque: mod6: I hit that too, before I added -e to the top of the script
trinque: with -e I get stuck at the db step
trinque: that one looks like maybe there's a cd further up causing it
phf: well, that's the conversation about real computers. i wouldn't mind paying those same $800 for a phone that's not "diddle by usg", has excellent sound quality and can send sms with a full keyboard. such phone is not to be had though
ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity.
☟︎ mod6: hmm, so after that, i commented out the configure/build parts for openssl/bdb/boost from rotor.sh and re-ran rotor.sh, and it started to compile... failed. couldn't find the BDB stuff.
mod6: but what was strange is that none of the bdb libs were copied into ourlibs
ben_vulpes: run it with -e and see why bdb fails to compile.
ben_vulpes: yeah, because bdb is failing to compile.
trinque: ben_vulpes: what about minding snagging a reset-password email from your phone?
trinque: obviously I avoid the above by other means, but point remains, and no hand-computer for me anymore.
ben_vulpes: trinque: anything i actually give a shit about can't be reset that way.
trinque: I use my phone like a grandpa anyway, will be losing nothing.
trinque: and gaining battery life, actually
ben_vulpes: my gmail is known to be compromised, for instance. mails not signed by me or not in response to mails encrypted to my key cannot be said to be "from me".
trinque: BingoBoingo: that's hate speech; arrest the blockchain.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not many cycles necessary if no plans to ever spend from
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:11:38; mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment.
pete_dushenski: "You should expect network instability at the very beginning of the release, including forks, potential abnormal display of information on our
http://stats.ethdev.com page, and various Peer to Peer connectivity issues." << hey, ethereum is just like normal bitcoin !
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:38:55; davout: mircea_popescu can't get it up anymore?
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:41:45; trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh"
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:17:26; ascii_field: ^^^^^^^^^
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the university blowing 2 mn on idiots and raving lunatics seems different from the other one being defrauded by similarly malignant idiots and raving lunatics.
mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "Since media processing is often time-sensitive, the library is implemented in native code (C++) that is more prone to memory corruption than memory-safe languages like Java."
shinohai: pete_dushenski: I have a rather dark sense of humour she sometimes fails to appreciate at first, then winds up laughing months later.
trinque: mircea_popescu: the fuck, fuck, someone get a bullshit press release out dept
mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: allowing this sort of parasitism is actually worse than not doing the work in the first place.
mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes
☟︎ mircea_popescu: tolerating this shit is exactly how western civilisation failed.
trinque: certainly, gotta know when to keep your mouth shut.
trinque: which is for most people 100% of the time.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, gotta know how to open your mouth, and say "stop talking about me you contemptible clod, you don't know enough to shit out the right hole"
mircea_popescu: in the end this is exactly equivalent to the end to end encryption thing we're doing.
mircea_popescu: none of this bs "i do 99% of the work and then thhis shithead comes around and wraps it in diarhea".
mircea_popescu: btw phf whar is that crapple binary! we need mushrooms!
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:08:55; ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity.
phf: i've got the makefile (that's how i was on last time) to do a clean build, i'm rebuilding right now with smg hosted files
phf: pulling those tars at 100kb down took most of the time ;)
phf: i'm pretty sure i can get it to a point of "unzip folder, double click"
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's not actually something. just words on a twitter account.
mircea_popescu: if it gets you to give him money good and if not maybe someone else.
shinohai: No longer do i need to work and repay loans, blockchain does it for me.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:23:27; shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea.
shinohai: Real thing danielpbarron I can't play games worth a damn
shinohai: mine isn't quite so fancy but yeah
decimation: "t. The top editor in chief and the editor at Gawker resigned in protest, claiming that Nick Denton had done exactly what he had promised previously not to do in setting up an editorial staff to insulate him and “the business side.” "
decimation: I think it's fucktarded to expect the owner of a newspaper has no opinions on the news
phf: danielpbarron: that was a picture of a samovar in meat world
danielpbarron: right now most of our tasks revolve around that damn thing
phf: you can't have a proper, civilized gathering without one
punkman: I'm partial to the uncomplicated ibrik
phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
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punkman: do you have a magical samovar that doesn't require source of heat?
phf: modern ones are electric, essentially electric kettles with a spigot
phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
☟︎ punkman: I can make tea with it. also eggs.
phf: i assume a teabag is somehow involved..
phf: actually i'm hating for no good reason, i know that in africa they cook tea in ibrik, but i've not had much practice with it. know they also use a lot of sugar and mint
punkman: traditionally you just throw tea or herbs in while it's still boiling
punkman: I prefer to use one of those strainers that fits in your cup, since I don't usually have tea that benefits from boiling
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:42:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:46:43; mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:47:49; mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes
trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
☟︎☟︎ phf: punkman: i work with iranians, and they, like russians, cook a tea concentrate in a teapot and then you dilute it from a kettle before serving. i used to use tea strainer but i switched back to russian method. this way i can drink tea for hours on end :> samovar is best in that case because it provides a constant supply of warm water
punkman: phf, samovars are definitely spiffy
trinque: in other words, if theo holds back scraping barnacles at all, he's doing them a disservice as well as himself.
danielpbarron: punkman> I can make tea with it. also eggs. << heh, in Eulora it's specifically called a "multifunctional samovar"
decimation: but I suspect it's too fucktarded to work right
trinque: even my gentoo is apparently too strange to make it through; god help os x
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah lemme dig up the link
decimation doesn't understand how gentoo could fail to build something
trinque: though if it's a matter of my strange I'll worry about it then let the rest know the fix if I find it
decimation: yeah nearly all modern smartphones still use the 'at commmands' to control the 'baseband' cpu to my knowledge
mats: I imagine that the author spends a lot of time tooling around in cyanogenmod
decimation: if your building the root fs on your phone, gotta talk with the actual radio somehow
decimation: actually I suggest a much better idea: reverse the baseband cpu and software
decimation: because of the interesting nooks and crannies one might find
decimation: but yeah, if you want to listen to gsm, buy an sdr rx
mats: I dunno man. I don't know anything about GSM
decimation: although classical gsm is a bit difficult to demodulate
mats: have a hackrf in a box somewhere but I haven't done anything with it
punkman: mats, are any of the osmocombb phones still manufactured?
mats: I've not looked into it, but I doubt it
mats: I get mine from ebay
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:04:46; kakobrekla: ;;google johns phone
mats: can set up an imsi catcher detector with osmocombb phone, kinda neat
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the latter is the usual method
mats: detects things like downgrade attacks or anomalous tower behavior
mats: encryption to none such from a tower
mats: LAC change, for instance
trinque: they're well conditioned to chuckle about "govt sees my dick pics"
decimation: asciilifeform: plus you can buy one openly on the market
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:02:50; pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800
decimation: or do you think they go hat in hand before the feds?
decimation: actually I think the iphone will establish a 'facetime' connection over the internet in certain situations
decimation: which has better compression/higher bandwidth
decimation: yes, it's a noticable failure of the wifi protocol
mats: can't face time over data network?
decimation: actually transmitting voice as ip sounds retarded
decimation: it's one 'modem' which is actually a 'software rate' which has multiple fucktarded interfaces
phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
☟︎ decimation: my point about IP packets: lots of overhead if you already know where the packets need to go
decimation: but someone needs to keep 'route state'
punkman: phf, what's missing from dumb phone?
decimation: plus you are forgetting something: usg demands that usg minions can excercise 'priority override'
phf: punkman: decent sound quality
punkman: not a great password there coderwill
decimation: right, the implementation of which is obvious when there's physical relays setting up circuits
coderwill: sorry, having problems with a bluetooth keyboard :)
decimation: not so obvious when routing ip packets
decimation: asciilifeform: note that it could have been otherwise
decimation: "GETS is accessed through a dialing plan and Personal Identification Number (PIN) card verification system. Using common telephone equipment, the user dials a universal access number: (710)NCS-GETS (627-4387)."
decimation: actually this dances around another silliness I've noticed
decimation: the generations of bean counters that didn't give a fuck, that's who
decimation: why do all localities/states/feds insist on building their own 'special cell network' known as police/fire radios?
decimation: it would interesting to compare actual performance of the cell network with govt run equivilents
decimation: yes, but most cell networks are ip under the hood (dispite the disadvantages)
decimation: nor are the designed to be highly reliable
decimation: most modern police radios are 'trunked' and talk to the central towers
decimation: yes, but ask your local cop about how to get it to work
coderwill: pretty sure the municipal systems (police, fire, air traffic) predate the types of networks
decimation: sure, but often that interoperability is handled at the tower
decimation: by cross-linking 'trunked' with analog channels
decimation: sure, but that's because they have an entire radio system installed in the tunnels
phf: (fwiw verizon also works on dc metro trains)
coderwill: guessing here, but also would imagine that fire/police/ambulance are basically on special plans with cell providers
coderwill: and that an amulance or squad car, for example, is just a big mobile hotspot
coderwill: asciilifeform: maybe it depends on municipal budget
decimation: it's nearly always the case that if cops want to talk about something sensitive they call on cell phone
coderwill: i know out in the country, you used to be able to pickup police with a scanner
decimation: wrt cops it all depends on local budgets/policies
decimation: asciilifeform: it can be interesting, but you got to know the lingo
decimation: coderwill: scanners still pick up cops
decimation: project-25 is a dual-waveform standard with 4-fsk and qpsk
decimation: most police radio systems have gone encrypted - not because of scanners but because people interlink scanners and iphones
decimation: thus greatly multiplying the potential audience (want to listen to cops && can operate radio)
decimation: quite possible. the same problems with key distribution are always present
coderwill: i wonder how that works w/ sting operations if people can pick up chatter on scanners?
decimation: yes, I've noticed that cops are reluctant to use radio for anything other than 'report to seniors'
coderwill: also, i remember 10 or so years ago, you used to be able to get a scanner and rabbit ears and listen to people talking on their cordless phones, but you can't do that anymore either
decimation: no he's talking about the old "AMPS" system
decimation: where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz
coderwill: yeah, i think once phones got past 900mhz it wasn't possible
BingoBoingo: <decimation> where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz << USG mandates scanners and amateur radios ship with "blank spot" over that portion of spectrum
coderwill: decimation: ah, so basically, it's illegal for manufacturers to provide that kind of functionality commercially?
decimation: coderwill: yes absolutely, what bingo said
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coderwill: yeah, it seems like every now and then you hear stories like this
coderwill: another one, is people broadcasting illegally on a frequency
trinque: shape of the "midlands" is absurd, and maybe "el norte" is a bit on the small side.
decimation: coderwill: if you are consistently interfering with a radio station, fcc vans will show up
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phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
☟︎ decimation: actually it kinda pisses me off how locked up the fm bands are
decimation: years ago schools & universities could run local stations
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decimation: but clear channel et.al. conspired to effectively make that illegal
coderwill: phf: yeah, would be surprised if not in a federal minimum security penitentiary if still doing that kind of stuff
decimation: yes, a decentralized network is possible
coderwill: think about how much power though is emitting out of commercial radio antennas
coderwill: it would be like playing an iphone speaker in the middle of a packed sports arena
decimation: most commercial fm towers run around 10-100kilowatt
decimation: asciilifeform: the problem is that now you are depending on people to have sensitive receivers
decimation: fm radio suffers from the 'capture effect' where your receiver only 'listens' to the strongest station and rejects all others
decimation: when two stations compete your radio 'flutters'
coderwill: asciilifeform: yeah, was thinking if you were on an unoccupied band, it's kind of like waiting people to just stumble over it
decimation: plus in urban areas there aren't any unoccipied bands
decimation: seeming 'empty' frequencies are assigned to the next city away
decimation: pirate faces difficult choice: be effective and go to jail/enter 'justice' chumpatron or be ineffective and waste time
coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
☟︎ decimation: coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms
phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
☟︎ decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
☟︎ decimation: but it takes even more power to be heard
decimation: plus the same problem with the fcc van
BingoBoingo: The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
decimation: yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone
decimation: yeah, would first have to surround said general
decimation: the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is.
trinque: can't be the whole picture
decimation: it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries
BingoBoingo: Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet
coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
☟︎ phf: i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs
phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there
phf: asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question
decimation: hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products
phf: but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill
phf: asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :>
trinque: that's just good taste if you're going to pick between.
decimation: the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen
phf: drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends.
decimation: anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position
decimation: " Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials:
decimation: “ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man."
decimation: if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app!
decimation: actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc
decimation: as long as it resulted in more german births
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
decimation: yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth'
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper?
mircea_popescu: that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme.
mircea_popescu: in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t
mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come.
mircea_popescu: (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling.
mircea_popescu: which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp.
mircea_popescu: and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work.
mircea_popescu: which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope.
shinohai: Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
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shinohai: will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however.
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
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shinohai: Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml
shinohai: Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem'
mircea_popescu: shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ?
mircea_popescu: or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ?
shinohai: No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all.
shinohai: I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at.
shinohai: I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page.
mircea_popescu: you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server.
shinohai: I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously.
shinohai: Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em
mircea_popescu: (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much)
shinohai: If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe.
shinohai: Hmmm I need to give lynx another look.
shinohai: Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway.
shinohai: I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole
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shinohai: Yes, never got the purchase credits email.
shinohai: I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52616 @ 0.00053517 = 28.1585 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
shinohai: Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00054588 = 4.5308 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m
mircea_popescu: pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to.
shinohai: A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice.
BingoBoingo: w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00054655 = 26.1524 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour.
mircea_popescu: very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
mircea_popescu: nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different.
mircea_popescu: the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
mircea_popescu: a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence.
jurov: if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options
jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
mircea_popescu: which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half
mircea_popescu: exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks.
mircea_popescu: the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
mircea_popescu: so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
mircea_popescu: "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.000549 = 22.3992 BTC [+]
decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
☟︎ decimation: and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
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ascii_field: the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
ascii_field: (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
shinohai: I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me)
shinohai: OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e
shinohai: Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick.
shinohai: Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build.
shinohai: This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
ascii_field: don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
shinohai: I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
ascii_field: so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ?
shinohai: If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare
shinohai: I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed.
jurov: only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate
mod6: <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque
assbot: Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1ON1xSd )
trinque: the first; I don't give a shit about the second.
trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
☟︎ trinque: the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level?
trinque: or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
trinque: ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on
trinque: nobody needs to collect data from AT&T
ascii_field: trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device
ascii_field: (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices)
ascii_field: ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots
trinque: in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband
trinque: what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there?
ascii_field: if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice
ascii_field: (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom)
ascii_field: (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought)
trinque: makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream
trinque: ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors"
trinque: jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled
trinque: specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before?
trinque: I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp?
jurov: what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work
trinque: redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings
trinque: jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on
jurov: trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback
trinque: jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload?
trinque: when I reload the page, still says disabled
jurov: when i submit it shows back the log in page
jurov: after relogin it shows changed options
trinque: yeah, mine aren't changing
trinque: in either firefox or chrome
ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
☟︎ jurov: trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to
http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :(
trinque: jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015."
trinque: perhaps an admin must re-enable?
trinque: jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page
shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
☟︎ trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
☟︎ shinohai: I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
trinque: I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables
shinohai: I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/
trinque: imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn.
trinque: ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud.
ben_vulpes: i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile
ben_vulpes: what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to.
ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-]
shinohai: well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though.
jurov: trinque you're set now to receive email
jurov: and configuration is now set to no-cache too
jurov: my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
ascii_field: can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl
ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year.
pete_dushenski: she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list'
pete_dushenski: will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery
pete_dushenski: i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team.
mats: searching logs is a pain in the ass nao
trinque: shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand"
trinque: guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program
trinque: gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him.
shinohai: Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC
trinque: well, he'll learn on his own
shinohai: I haven't used QT in like 2 years
ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive
shinohai: I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features"
ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
☟︎ shinohai: Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt.
shinohai: O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins?
shinohai: I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there.
ascii_field: (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me.
pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
☟︎ jurov: pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars
shinohai: Even tho I despise altcoins now.
pete_dushenski: goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ?
pete_dushenski: lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome
shinohai: If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day.
shinohai: One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin.
shinohai: We can put mircea_popescu's head on it
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
mircea_popescu: for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism".
mircea_popescu: prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so!
ascii_field: with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice.
mircea_popescu: Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay.
mircea_popescu: BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ?
ascii_field: just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for.
ascii_field: noting that spectrum is not actually same as land.
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-]
ascii_field: re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?)
mircea_popescu: dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking
mircea_popescu: ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing.
ascii_field: point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it
ascii_field: (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock)
mircea_popescu: if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess.
trinque: "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???"
mircea_popescu: o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu!
trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
mircea_popescu: trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor.
mircea_popescu: but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity.
trinque: yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute
mircea_popescu: it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
shinohai: I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me.
shinohai: My first stator build failed at least 6 times.
mircea_popescu: sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it.
mircea_popescu: "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful.
trinque: mats: it's probably that character
trinque: I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
trinque: ah, oop in common lisp just arrived
mats: any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque?
trinque: mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes
trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
☟︎ trinque: so oops on my part as well
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature