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phf: re: feature phones, i used this one for a bit http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-GT-E1182L-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Organizer/dp/B007F9XJDY, main perk that it supports u.s. and international freq. downside that i discovered with phones like that is that sounds quality is shit, compared with iphone+apple-earbuds
assbot: 404 - Document Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oxm8sY )
pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800 ☟︎
shinohai: But then you'd own an Apple product.
mod6: asciilifeform: got all the way through boost build with rotor, but not sure yet why this happened: http://dpaste.com/0DZW6G0.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxmDTM )
trinque: mod6: I hit that too, before I added -e to the top of the script
trinque: with -e I get stuck at the db step
trinque: that one looks like maybe there's a cd further up causing it
phf: well, that's the conversation about real computers. i wouldn't mind paying those same $800 for a phone that's not "diddle by usg", has excellent sound quality and can send sms with a full keyboard. such phone is not to be had though
trinque: yep
ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity. ☟︎
mod6: hmm, so after that, i commented out the configure/build parts for openssl/bdb/boost from rotor.sh and re-ran rotor.sh, and it started to compile... failed. couldn't find the BDB stuff.
mod6: but what was strange is that none of the bdb libs were copied into ourlibs
mod6: http://dpaste.com/33MSR35.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDHSFm )
ben_vulpes: run it with -e and see why bdb fails to compile.
ben_vulpes: yeah, because bdb is failing to compile.
trinque: ben_vulpes: what about minding snagging a reset-password email from your phone?
mod6: ok will do
trinque: obviously I avoid the above by other means, but point remains, and no hand-computer for me anymore.
ben_vulpes: trinque: anything i actually give a shit about can't be reset that way.
trinque: I use my phone like a grandpa anyway, will be losing nothing.
trinque: and gaining battery life, actually
ben_vulpes: my gmail is known to be compromised, for instance. mails not signed by me or not in response to mails encrypted to my key cannot be said to be "from me".
ben_vulpes: and the latter only weakly.
ben_vulpes: "text messages" the same.
BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv ☟︎
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDIRVP )
trinque: BingoBoingo: that's hate speech; arrest the blockchain.
mod6: yeah, trinque. I got the same error [this is on, gentoo/nomultilib/glibc built on 20150713]: http://dpaste.com/27S67FQ.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDJ5MX )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214498 << picture the sheer amount of cpu (gpu? fpga? asic?!!) cycles that went into creating that ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:15:17; BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not many cycles necessary if no plans to ever spend from
asciilifeform: vanitygen -i 1HitLerDidNothing
asciilifeform: Difficulty: 6229598590911364789066338
asciilifeform: [475.10 Kkey/s][total 1440256][Prob 0.0%][50% in 2.881999e+11y]
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is right.
BingoBoingo: Probably could be done on paper
mats: https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/07/27/final-steps it lives
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214172 << the wonders of "by hand" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:11:38; mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment.
pete_dushenski: "You should expect network instability at the very beginning of the release, including forks, potential abnormal display of information on our http://stats.ethdev.com page, and various Peer to Peer connectivity issues." << hey, ethereum is just like normal bitcoin !
assbot: Ethereum Network Status ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxoCYg )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214207 << haetrs gonna haetr. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:38:55; davout: mircea_popescu can't get it up anymore?
shinohai: http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/a-security-firm-has-discovered-what-a-bug-that-puts-95-per-cent-of-android-users-at-risk-of-attack/story-fn6vihic-1227459712566
assbot: Android text message hack: 95% of Android phones vulnerable ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxoJmC )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214219 no, tʁɛ̃k ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:41:45; trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh"
pete_dushenski: shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214226 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 20:49:34; mats: http://blog.zimperium.com/experts-found-a-unicorn-in-the-heart-of-android/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214271 << aaaaight. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:17:26; ascii_field: ^^^^^^^^^
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214504 <<< My sister got very angry with me for saying I was going to make a "1gasthekikes" addy ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:17:38; assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:15:17; BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv
pete_dushenski: shinohai hey, some ppl are touchy like that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214384 <<< oh, look at that, joel insani-katz and friends. will wonders never cease! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 23:25:27; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/university-of-maryland-cryptocurrency-research-grants << looks like the dean didn't give a fuck
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the university blowing 2 mn on idiots and raving lunatics seems different from the other one being defrauded by similarly malignant idiots and raving lunatics.
mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the lulzfest.
mircea_popescu: "Since media processing is often time-sensitive, the library is implemented in native code (C++) that is more prone to memory corruption than memory-safe languages like Java."
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck writes this pulp.
mircea_popescu: the not even wrong club.
shinohai: pete_dushenski: I have a rather dark sense of humour she sometimes fails to appreciate at first, then winds up laughing months later.
trinque: mircea_popescu: the fuck, fuck, someone get a bullshit press release out dept
mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: allowing this sort of parasitism is actually worse than not doing the work in the first place.
mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes ☟︎
mircea_popescu: tolerating this shit is exactly how western civilisation failed.
trinque: certainly, gotta know when to keep your mouth shut.
trinque: and listen.
trinque: which is for most people 100% of the time.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, gotta know how to open your mouth, and say "stop talking about me you contemptible clod, you don't know enough to shit out the right hole"
trinque: mhm.
mircea_popescu: in the end this is exactly equivalent to the end to end encryption thing we're doing.
mircea_popescu: none of this bs "i do 99% of the work and then thhis shithead comes around and wraps it in diarhea".
mircea_popescu: btw phf whar is that crapple binary! we need mushrooms!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214482 << i don't have the time or patience to talk to people over the phone. worst fucking medium ever. if you like the girl why isn't she naked in your lap and if you don't why is there sound. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:08:55; ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity.
shinohai: Is it just me, or does this sound ridiculous: https://twitter.com/CCartelBCR/status/625812975086137344
phf: i've got the makefile (that's how i was on last time) to do a clean build, i'm rebuilding right now with smg hosted files
phf: pulling those tars at 100kb down took most of the time ;)
phf: i'm pretty sure i can get it to a point of "unzip folder, double click"
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's not actually something. just words on a twitter account.
mircea_popescu: if it gets you to give him money good and if not maybe someone else.
mircea_popescu: "social media"
shinohai: It made my head hurt.
shinohai: No longer do i need to work and repay loans, blockchain does it for me.
ben_vulpes: http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/symbolics/genera/User_s_Guide_to_Symbolics_Concordia_Book_Design.pdf << trinque: let's go after indesign
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxqrEs )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214285 << wait are you a Eulorian or is that a real thing? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:23:27; shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea.
shinohai: Real thing danielpbarron I can't play games worth a damn
phf: danielpbarron: http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/31/144531-004-B9389269.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxrCnE )
shinohai: mine isn't quite so fancy but yeah
BingoBoingo: !up nick_thunderdome
nick_thunderdome: why thanks bingoboingo
scoopbot_revived: Gawker Media Shutters National Security Blog Less Than 4 Months In http://qntra.net/2015/07/gawker-media-shutters-national-security-blog-less-than-4-months-in/
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/world/outlaw-ocean-thailand-fishing-sea-slaves-pets.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sa9Sog )
danielpbarron: shinohai, what is a samovar in the meat world?
punkman: boiler
decimation: "t. The top editor in chief and the editor at Gawker resigned in protest, claiming that Nick Denton had done exactly what he had promised previously not to do in setting up an editorial staff to insulate him and “the business side.” "
decimation: I think it's fucktarded to expect the owner of a newspaper has no opinions on the news
decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper? ☟︎
phf: danielpbarron: that was a picture of a samovar in meat world
danielpbarron: ah that's kinda what it looks like in Eulora
danielpbarron: right now most of our tasks revolve around that damn thing
phf: you can't have a proper, civilized gathering without one
punkman: I'm partial to the uncomplicated ibrik
phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey ☟︎
phf: http://www.freshcoffeeshop.com/en/hovoli-1000s-turkish-coffee-machine-en.html
assbot: Coffee machines :: Turkish Coffee Machines :: Hovoli 1000s - Turkish coffee machine - FreshCoffeeShop ... ( http://bit.ly/1D41vEn )
punkman: do you have a magical samovar that doesn't require source of heat?
phf: punkman: samovar has a source of heat builtin. traditional models will have a tube in the center, that's used to burn wood like http://magazin-samovarov.ru/upload/medialibrary/3e9/%20golxwmp%207.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D41FeJ )
phf: modern ones are electric, essentially electric kettles with a spigot
phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway ☟︎
punkman: I can make tea with it. also eggs.
phf: i assume a teabag is somehow involved..
phf: actually i'm hating for no good reason, i know that in africa they cook tea in ibrik, but i've not had much practice with it. know they also use a lot of sugar and mint
punkman: traditionally you just throw tea or herbs in while it's still boiling
phf: yeah
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214525 << let me know once you tried it. so far it works on two reasonable machines. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:37:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214271 << aaaaight.
punkman: I prefer to use one of those strainers that fits in your cup, since I don't usually have tea that benefits from boiling
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214534 << they are simply imitating mit, the way small-time crooks slavishly imitate famous mega-sc4mz0rz ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:42:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over.
punkman: http://heroswelcome.com/images/D/celestial-tea-strainer-2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D42wMu )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:46:43; mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ?
asciilifeform: elementarily.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214543 << i agree. and this is how, e.g., phuctor, 'didn't happen' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:47:49; mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes
trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (from the standpoint of everybody who isn't us here)
phf: punkman: i work with iranians, and they, like russians, cook a tea concentrate in a teapot and then you dilute it from a kettle before serving. i used to use tea strainer but i switched back to russian method. this way i can drink tea for hours on end :> samovar is best in that case because it provides a constant supply of warm water
punkman: phf, samovars are definitely spiffy
trinque: in other words, if theo holds back scraping barnacles at all, he's doing them a disservice as well as himself.
trinque: or wtf is education?
asciilifeform: the barnacles are not, for any practical purposes of ours, people.
asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: punkman> I can make tea with it. also eggs. << heh, in Eulora it's specifically called a "multifunctional samovar"
asciilifeform unzips, pisses on the grave of glibc
punkman: asciilifeform: nice
mats: musl master race
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody who wants to use a specific version of gcc, will find a knob for this in .config
asciilifeform: the next step will be to turn 'rotor' into a buildroot package properly speaking (like all the various packages that come with buildroot)
asciilifeform: this way it will magically get onto any buildroot-linux that is built (e.g., pogo)
asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each ☟︎
asciilifeform: that way they will be built once and cached, for a given buildroot working dir
decimation: I would like a buildroot for osx
asciilifeform: wai wat
decimation: but I suspect it's too fucktarded to work right
trinque: even my gentoo is apparently too strange to make it through; god help os x
asciilifeform: trinque: what, exactly, happened there
asciilifeform: did i miss in the log ?
mats: http://www.evilsocket.net/2015/07/27/how-to-use-old-gsm-protocolsencodings-know-if-a-user-is-online-on-the-gsm-network-aka-pingsms-2-0
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D44xbJ )
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah lemme dig up the link
decimation doesn't understand how gentoo could fail to build something
asciilifeform: mats: ' it’s no more available unless you use some very old phones/firmwares ( on most devices they removed the ttyUSB serial interfaces to send AT commands to the GSM modem as well ).' << explain to me why this trick requires a phone. i have a crate of gsm modems here, they all have serial lines and take hayes AT command set
trinque: though if it's a matter of my strange I'll worry about it then let the rest know the fix if I find it
decimation: yeah nearly all modern smartphones still use the 'at commmands' to control the 'baseband' cpu to my knowledge
asciilifeform: so why bother with the 'phone that won't let'
asciilifeform: just buy the modem
asciilifeform: ten bux or so.
mats: I imagine that the author spends a lot of time tooling around in cyanogenmod
asciilifeform: mats: this explains nothing
asciilifeform: article is about 'here is a cool trick, but google's phones won't let you access the modem, buy an old phone'
decimation: if your building the root fs on your phone, gotta talk with the actual radio somehow
asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem' ☟︎
asciilifeform: buy the modem, and you are ~guaranteed~ to get to talk to the modem
asciilifeform: and usually the various knobs of the radio, if you can read cn or ru and have patience to find datasheet
decimation: actually I suggest a much better idea: reverse the baseband cpu and software
asciilifeform: (if you can't read cn or ru, and have no phriends who can, you have sadly no business in electrowankery)
asciilifeform: decimation: you can get, iirc, a full gsm stack for extant sdr boards
asciilifeform: why reverse.
decimation: because of the interesting nooks and crannies one might find
decimation: for phun and prophit
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: but original link concerned a trick using standard gsm protocol
decimation: but yeah, if you want to listen to gsm, buy an sdr rx
mats: I dunno man. I don't know anything about GSM
decimation: although classical gsm is a bit difficult to demodulate
mats: have a hackrf in a box somewhere but I haven't done anything with it
punkman: mats, are any of the osmocombb phones still manufactured?
mats: I've not looked into it, but I doubt it
mats: I get mine from ebay
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!' ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 21:04:46; kakobrekla: ;;google johns phone
mats: can set up an imsi catcher detector with osmocombb phone, kinda neat
asciilifeform: mats: how's that work? detects any tower seen at ground level?
asciilifeform: or, one that is too 'loud' ? or in motion ?
asciilifeform: (or - more likely - are 'catchers' laughably poor stand-ins for traditional tower?)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the latter is the usual method
mats: detects things like downgrade attacks or anomalous tower behavior
asciilifeform: i don't get why they would necessarily have to exhibit anomalous behaviour
mats: encryption to none such from a tower
asciilifeform: what's to keep the enemy from simply walking around with a proper commercial tower business end
asciilifeform: and why does anyone give a fuck re: gsm encryption? it uses a toy 1980s algo
mats: LAC change, for instance
decimation: A5/1?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: openly mandated by nsa, no less
decimation: somehow nobody gives a fuck
trinque: who would, the consumers?
trinque: they're well conditioned to chuckle about "govt sees my dick pics"
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher' ☟︎
asciilifeform: and then parallel construct, 'never happened', 'anonymous stoolie told us where the cocain was buried'
decimation: asciilifeform: plus you can buy one openly on the market
asciilifeform: build yourself
asciilifeform: from, e.g., verizon's 'femtocell'
asciilifeform: all the hardware is helpfully included.
decimation: squaddie's boss buys on market
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214473 << um what ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:02:50; pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800
decimation: or do you think they go hat in hand before the feds?
asciilifeform: all modern cell phones have abominable sound quality
asciilifeform: for entirely elementary reason
decimation: actually I think the iphone will establish a 'facetime' connection over the internet in certain situations
decimation: which has better compression/higher bandwidth
asciilifeform: if wifi, and if both sides select it
asciilifeform: never, afaik, default
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: hence worthless
asciilifeform: and then you walk off your yard and wifi cuts, and lose call.
decimation: aye
asciilifeform: lacks, what phone folks call 'hand-off'
decimation: yes, it's a noticable failure of the wifi protocol
mats: can't face time over data network?
asciilifeform: not iirc
decimation: yeah I think so
asciilifeform: plus there are still retarded carriers ('verizon') where data modem is shut down if voice call is going, until it hangs up
asciilifeform: (yes, they don't transmit voice as ip packets! believe!)
decimation: actually transmitting voice as ip sounds retarded
asciilifeform: why have two modems ?
decimation: I doubt there are two physical modems
asciilifeform: there is 1
decimation: it's one 'modem' which is actually a 'software rate' which has multiple fucktarded interfaces
asciilifeform: but it is structured in such a way that the band can be used only for voice XOR data
phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality. ☟︎
decimation: because verizon says so
decimation: my point about IP packets: lots of overhead if you already know where the packets need to go
decimation: but someone needs to keep 'route state'
punkman: phf, what's missing from dumb phone?
decimation: plus you are forgetting something: usg demands that usg minions can excercise 'priority override'
phf: punkman: decent sound quality
coderwill: dfd\\\\\\\
punkman: not a great password there coderwill
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc this is traditionally handled by having a switch somewhere that essentially cancels everybody's subscription but for a few mandarins
decimation: right, the implementation of which is obvious when there's physical relays setting up circuits
coderwill: sorry, having problems with a bluetooth keyboard :)
decimation: not so obvious when routing ip packets
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Wireless_Priority_Service
assbot: Nationwide Wireless Priority Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWRs2H )
asciilifeform: of course, whole thing's a crock of shit because no consumer handset signs its output
asciilifeform: it is no 'gossipd'
asciilifeform: if you really want to transmit packets as hitler's pocket phone, and you can get a capture of its output - you can.
decimation: asciilifeform: note that it could have been otherwise
asciilifeform: sure.
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Emergency_Telecommunications_Service
assbot: Government Emergency Telecommunications Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR1XbW )
decimation: "GETS is accessed through a dialing plan and Personal Identification Number (PIN) card verification system. Using common telephone equipment, the user dials a universal access number: (710)NCS-GETS (627-4387)."
asciilifeform: l0l was just reading this.
asciilifeform: whoever thought this idiocy up, must have watched the payphone scene in 'dr strangelove'
decimation: lol yeah
asciilifeform: what usg functionary of any significance walks around without a satellite phone ?
decimation: actually this dances around another silliness I've noticed
decimation: asciilifeform: plenty
decimation: you know how much they cost?
asciilifeform: $0
asciilifeform: (to him)
decimation: sure, but someone has to budget
asciilifeform: $1k or so, to a human
asciilifeform: for comparison, an infantryman's basic rifle is ~$2k.
decimation: yeah plus at least $1 per minute
asciilifeform: who cares about $1/min if the nukes are falling
decimation: the generations of bean counters that didn't give a fuck, that's who
asciilifeform: what was the other silliness
decimation: why do all localities/states/feds insist on building their own 'special cell network' known as police/fire radios?
asciilifeform: tradition, partly
asciilifeform: and partly 'push to talk'
asciilifeform: a feature still absent from standard cells
decimation: it would interesting to compare actual performance of the cell network with govt run equivilents
asciilifeform: what cell net has millisecond call set-up/teardown ?
decimation: yes, but most cell networks are ip under the hood (dispite the disadvantages)
decimation: at least, LTE
decimation: granded those aren't widely deployed
decimation: nor are the designed to be highly reliable
asciilifeform: other thing is,
asciilifeform: radios work when any two+ can hear one another.
asciilifeform: e.g., in a train tunnel
decimation: ah not so
asciilifeform: aboard a moving train
decimation: most modern police radios are 'trunked' and talk to the central towers
asciilifeform: and what, have no untrunked mode ?
decimation: yes, but ask your local cop about how to get it to work
asciilifeform: iirc all american units are set up to interoperate with old-fashioned analog radio
coderwill: pretty sure the municipal systems (police, fire, air traffic) predate the types of networks
asciilifeform: on account of a great many folks carrying just such
coderwill: yes, what ascii said
decimation: sure, but often that interoperability is handled at the tower
decimation: by cross-linking 'trunked' with analog channels
asciilifeform: however it is done, i see these on dc metro trains
asciilifeform: working perfectly well
asciilifeform: one policeman speaks to another at opposite end of train, or on the station
decimation: sure, but that's because they have an entire radio system installed in the tunnels
phf: (fwiw verizon also works on dc metro trains)
asciilifeform: pretty sure the ~only~ radio in the tunnels proper is verizon's leaky-feeder-coax
coderwill: guessing here, but also would imagine that fire/police/ambulance are basically on special plans with cell providers
coderwill: e.g. att, verizon
asciilifeform: coderwill: iirc they carry normal 'human' phones
coderwill: and that an amulance or squad car, for example, is just a big mobile hotspot
asciilifeform: not here.
asciilifeform: they have 'human' phones, paid with own salary, typically.
decimation: I listen to police traffic on apco-25
coderwill: asciilifeform: maybe it depends on municipal budget
decimation: it's nearly always the case that if cops want to talk about something sensitive they call on cell phone
asciilifeform: decimation: i did for a while, bored myself to tears
coderwill: i know out in the country, you used to be able to pickup police with a scanner
decimation: wrt cops it all depends on local budgets/policies
decimation: asciilifeform: it can be interesting, but you got to know the lingo
decimation: and the 10-codes
asciilifeform: coderwill: can still pick'em up with modern computerized scanner (p25)
decimation: coderwill: scanners still pick up cops
coderwill: ah, interesting
decimation: project-25 is a dual-waveform standard with 4-fsk and qpsk
decimation: most police radio systems have gone encrypted - not because of scanners but because people interlink scanners and iphones
decimation: thus greatly multiplying the potential audience (want to listen to cops && can operate radio)
asciilifeform: key is, i'm told, null, more often than not.
asciilifeform: (consumer scanners, however, will not even attempt aes decrypt)
asciilifeform: ^ usg mandate
decimation: quite possible. the same problems with key distribution are always present
coderwill: i wonder how that works w/ sting operations if people can pick up chatter on scanners?
asciilifeform: coderwill: the way it works is 'don't use radio'
asciilifeform: it isn't as if police can't use their mouths, talk like normal humans in person
decimation: yes, I've noticed that cops are reluctant to use radio for anything other than 'report to seniors'
asciilifeform: radio is normally used for dispatching.
coderwill: also, i remember 10 or so years ago, you used to be able to get a scanner and rabbit ears and listen to people talking on their cordless phones, but you can't do that anymore either
asciilifeform: and occasionally 'return codes' - 'have prisoner for transport,' 'send corpse squad', etc
asciilifeform: coderwill: land lines died
decimation: no he's talking about the old "AMPS" system
decimation: where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz
coderwill: yeah, i think once phones got past 900mhz it wasn't possible
decimation: sure it's possible
decimation: usg mandated otherwise
BingoBoingo: <decimation> where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz << USG mandates scanners and amateur radios ship with "blank spot" over that portion of spectrum
coderwill: decimation: ah, so basically, it's illegal for manufacturers to provide that kind of functionality commercially?
decimation: coderwill: yes absolutely, what bingo said
coderwill: ah, 10-4
asciilifeform: buy an rtl-sdr and listen to more or less whatever
asciilifeform: $20 or so.
asciilifeform: http://www.rtlsdr.com << them
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asciilifeform: no 'blank spot.'
decimation: congress passed a law after newt was intercepted by two democrat 'activists' http://articles.philly.com/1997-04-24/news/25530818_1_gingrich-investigation-ethics-probe-cellular-phone
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coderwill: yeah, it seems like every now and then you hear stories like this
phf: (for those who want to police scan with rtl-sdr i followed this guide back when i had a spare windows install https://sites.google.com/site/policescannerhowto/)
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coderwill: another one, is people broadcasting illegally on a frequency
trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/08/which-of-the-11-american-nations-do-you-live-in/?postshare=8761438046638004 << would not be a terrible revision.
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decimation: coderwill: depends on which frequency
coderwill: decimation: was thinking am/fm
trinque: shape of the "midlands" is absurd, and maybe "el norte" is a bit on the small side.
decimation: coderwill: if you are consistently interfering with a radio station, fcc vans will show up
asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/27/tragedy-of-golden-daughters-murder-plot-against-parents-resonates-with-asian-immigrant-children/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na << other l0l from same fishwrap
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phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now. ☟︎
decimation: actually it kinda pisses me off how locked up the fm bands are
decimation: years ago schools & universities could run local stations
asciilifeform: phf: http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=18 << see also
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decimation: but clear channel et.al. conspired to effectively make that illegal
coderwill: phf: yeah, would be surprised if not in a federal minimum security penitentiary if still doing that kind of stuff
asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour. ☟︎
decimation: yes, a decentralized network is possible
decimation: who's gonna pay
asciilifeform: ~pirate~
coderwill: think about how much power though is emitting out of commercial radio antennas
decimation: pirate what?
asciilifeform: moscow pays
asciilifeform: or a mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: etc.
coderwill: it would be like playing an iphone speaker in the middle of a packed sports arena
asciilifeform: only if broadcasting on occupied band
asciilifeform: which is plainly idiotic
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/kevin-horrigan/horrigan-a-modest-proposal-to-reduce-homicides-bring-back-dueling/article_6e97635f-825f-5cc8-8078-2817aa010cb3.html
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decimation: most commercial fm towers run around 10-100kilowatt
decimation: asciilifeform: the problem is that now you are depending on people to have sensitive receivers
decimation: fm radio suffers from the 'capture effect' where your receiver only 'listens' to the strongest station and rejects all others
decimation: when two stations compete your radio 'flutters'
coderwill: asciilifeform: yeah, was thinking if you were on an unoccupied band, it's kind of like waiting people to just stumble over it
decimation: plus in urban areas there aren't any unoccipied bands
asciilifeform: there sure are
decimation: seeming 'empty' frequencies are assigned to the next city away
asciilifeform: bring a 'rtl-sdr' into the city, and see
asciilifeform: also 'pirate' must answer the question to himself, of what his purpose is.
decimation: pirate faces difficult choice: be effective and go to jail/enter 'justice' chumpatron or be ineffective and waste time
coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies ☟︎
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asciilifeform: same choice as everyone else.
asciilifeform: coderwill: ~100 yrs ago.
decimation: coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms
phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later ☟︎
decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum? ☟︎
decimation: or verizon?
BingoBoingo: If pirate radio why not AM?
asciilifeform: how many people even own an am tuner
decimation: am has more unused frequency space
decimation: but it takes even more power to be heard
BingoBoingo: At least one in car
decimation: and has lots of noise
decimation: plus the same problem with the fcc van
BingoBoingo: The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/maryland-heights-tech-firm-employee-accused-of-using-company-credit/article_089ab943-e138-5e55-aebf-efba8650288c.html
asciilifeform: re: vans >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712476 << see also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
decimation: yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone
asciilifeform: 'Berrett also used his company credit card to spend $131.08 with Interactive Life Forms, parent company of sex-toy maker Fleshlight, and listed the purchase as exam test prep questions, the indictment says. Berrett paid $226.50 for a wine shipment from the Gold Medal Wine Club, listing the purchase as a “Bribe for the UNIX guys.”'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
asciilifeform: decimation: clever man uses sixteen of'em in a circle around the american general, let him shoot himself with own rocket
decimation: yeah, would first have to surround said general
asciilifeform: only with radio
asciilifeform: or let the pencilnecks try to explain to him why the rocket ought not be fired
asciilifeform: (who wouldn't pay to watch this)
decimation: perhaps this will be tried one day
asciilifeform: thing is, americans helpfully 'surround' themselves whenever they land in orcland
decimation: the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post
asciilifeform: just by virtue of building their 'green zone' in the middle of the jungle/desert
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy
decimation: see yarvin's rants about 'pc coin'
asciilifeform: 'In 2006, then-Savvis Inc. Chief Executive Robert McCormick earned the nickname “lap dunce” from the New York Daily News after being accused of charging a $241,000 topless-club bill to his corporate credit card.' << i seriously dun get it
asciilifeform: wtf is the appeal of this
asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex ☟︎
asciilifeform: or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ?
asciilifeform mystified
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is.
asciilifeform: and what kind of whoring costs six figures ?
asciilifeform: seems like somebody is 'buying retail'
trinque: can't be the whole picture
decimation: it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries
asciilifeform: one could run a very serviceable harem for 250k
BingoBoingo: Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet
coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months ☟︎
asciilifeform: and e.coli bacterium earns even less
asciilifeform: sad, no
decimation: because zipf's law
phf: i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs
asciilifeform: 'some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night' (tm) (r) (blake)
phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/7/8/perspectives-zionism-class-canceled-due-no-enrollm/
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asciilifeform: phf: the ultimate pleasure is perhaps to pay a servant to pour the bottle directly into a (field-portable, in the back of limo) golden pissoire.
asciilifeform: this is the idiot 'normie''s idea of 'rich'. not taleb's library, no.
asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do. ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there
phf: asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question
decimation: hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products
asciilifeform: ditto ford
asciilifeform: (who spent virtually whole life battling the patent cartels, in court and otherwise)
phf: but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill
asciilifeform: phf: what would saudi prince do with library? wipe arse?
asciilifeform: stoke furnace for bath, as the halif did with library of alexandria?
phf: asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :>
decimation: http://www.ndr.de/kultur/geschichte/chronologie/Die-Gruendung-des-Volkswagenwerks-1938,vwwerk2.html "Fünf Mark die Woche musst Du sparen - willst Du im eignen Wagen fahren!"
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asciilifeform: the prophet forbade wine!
asciilifeform: (but not hashish)
trinque: that's just good taste if you're going to pick between.
decimation: the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen
phf: drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends.
decimation: anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position
asciilifeform: kraft durch freude !
decimation: ^volksemphanger!
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempf%C3%A4nger
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decimation: " Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials:
decimation: “ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man."
decimation: if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app!
asciilifeform: 'j00z around me'
decimation: actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc
decimation: as long as it resulted in more german births
decimation: http://www.salon.com/2004/12/03/kater/ "Following the now-infamous 1936 Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, for instance, 900 BDM girls came home pregnant. "
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decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033283 < asciilifeform: this is also the fuel that powered the french revolution/neopleanic empire ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
asciilifeform: it is also important to note that it is a ~heat engine~
asciilifeform: i.e. requires both 'hot' and 'cold' parts
asciilifeform: 'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton) ☟︎
asciilifeform: if the fluids equilibrate, engine - stops.
decimation: yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth'
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214533 <<< he befouls the name jonathan katz of dr katz fame too! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214582 << because all the Sarah Jessica Parkers/randi zuckerbergs/ Kristen Wiigs are SO VERY IMPORTANT and valuable and productive and did i say smart and intellectual ??? that people canb't help but pay them. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper?
mircea_popescu: that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme.
mircea_popescu: in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t
mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come.
mircea_popescu: (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue)
mircea_popescu: (ps2, see bridesmaids, it's 10k words).
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214588 << he has a point, all attempts to heat water sooner or later reduce to a half assed, poorly specified, wasteful and buggy reimplementation of a samovar. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214595 << a) that's a horrid illustration to use right aftetr the "civilised gathering" ; b) electric ones are a joke anyway - you use smokleess charcoal/embers from your fireplace to heat it ; c) of course it can make coffee. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214608 << i know. it is getting broken, this. also deliberately, only by a much greater force than anything "the western world" could ever muster. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:40:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone
mircea_popescu: ie, us.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214613 << hopefulyl not for very long. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214620 << myeah. hence teh word. quite apt. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling.
mircea_popescu: which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp.
mircea_popescu: and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work.
mircea_popescu: which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope.
shinohai: Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214631 << yeah. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
mircea_popescu: !rated asciilifeform
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shinohai: will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however.
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
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kakobrekla: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
mircea_popescu: ah ? was up an hour ago or w/e last i looked.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d ☟︎
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 5 to 5 with note: Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
mircea_popescu: http://postimg.org/image/nbgqfdbht/ fwiw.
assbot: View image: bw trilema today ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKQ2iN )
shinohai: Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml
shinohai: Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214653 << because not old enough to know, in principle, that milk comes from cow not supermarket. so his recipe is "go to supermarket acquire square whiote box" not "acquire milk" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem'
mircea_popescu: shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ?
mircea_popescu: or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ?
mircea_popescu: fair use is an actual term of art.
shinohai: No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all.
shinohai: I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: what do you mean hosted ?
shinohai: I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page.
mircea_popescu: but you don't have a license to republish trilema.
mircea_popescu: you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server.
shinohai: I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously.
shinohai: Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em
mircea_popescu: making derpy ddos like this really meaningless.
shinohai: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much)
shinohai: If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe.
mircea_popescu: why waste the paper tho ?
shinohai: Hmmm I need to give lynx another look.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have the trees.
shinohai: Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint.
mircea_popescu: you can just subscribe to trilema as-is.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway.
shinohai: I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole
mircea_popescu: oh you were never getting emails or something ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27084 @ 0.00053652 = 14.5311 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: Yes, never got the purchase credits email.
shinohai: I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea shinohai
assbot: 39 results for 'from:mircea shinohai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+shinohai
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52616 @ 0.00053517 = 28.1585 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route.
shinohai: T_T
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214690 << yes it's basically an artefact of parallel construction. has absolutely nothing to do with reality, just a legal fiction. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
mircea_popescu: much like obama.
shinohai: Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00054588 = 4.5308 BTC [+]
shinohai: !s Dmail
assbot: 0 results for 'Dmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Dmail
shinohai: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/07/28/dmail-promises-self-destructing-gmail-messages/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=rss2&utm_campaign=Feed
assbot: Dmail promises self-destructing Gmail messages | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKSgPn )
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m
shinohai: I like w3m a lot
mircea_popescu: pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to.
shinohai: A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice.
BingoBoingo: w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214852 << well they've meanwhile started stealing people's shit. so they'd just take the van. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00054655 = 26.1524 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214859 << reason being "can't be arsed". generally this sort of thing is kept as a reserve measure. just like i go "unless you straighten up missy there's that inch thick stick over there by the wall", putin goes "if you block rt i'ma drop pirate radios all over the us" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour.
mircea_popescu: very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214884 << this fails to make any sense. how's "freedom of thought" morphed into "Freedom to broadcast" ? thoughts are silent. blessfully. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
mircea_popescu: nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different.
mircea_popescu: the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak.
mircea_popescu: chiefly because fuck you.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214889 << all. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214890 << i'd like to hear you justify your crazy notion that monopoly somehow takes justification. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
mircea_popescu: a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence.
jurov: if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options
jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214919 << the erect penis is the only thign in short supply. everyone wants it, men and women alike. for this particular schmuck, the irresistible deal is that he gets to act as if he has oine, and he doesn't even need to have it! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
mircea_popescu: which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half
mircea_popescu: exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks.
mircea_popescu: the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214929 << most people never will have, nor should ever have, that much dispoisable income, ever. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
mircea_popescu: so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214935 << mno. actually... because YOU COULDN'T (drink em). same penis argument as above. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214940 << but this is why he was funny : a fool representative of the current generation. if he were dressed in the fool of the 1700s we'd think he's pagliacci and mistake it all for high culture. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
mircea_popescu: "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!"
mircea_popescu: lol lafond has soem issues.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.000549 = 22.3992 BTC [+]
decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency' ☟︎
decimation: and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
mats: http://europe.newsweek.com/pentagon-plans-more-support-ukraine-buffer-zone-mooted-330874
assbot: Pentagon Plans More Support for Ukraine as Buffer Zone Mooted ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMY1Hw )
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.52, Best ask: 296.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 295.52, 24 hour volume: 26563.57329353, 24 hour low: 288.53, 24 hour high: 298.93, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122438.msg11970644#msg11970644 << l0ltr0n1c
assbot: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDURJW )
ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/16FR22R.txt << l00k ma, no glibc
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDVXp1 )
ascii_field: the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too
ascii_field: (surprised no one noticed last night)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214992 << for some, toy, for others - yoke ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 09:47:42; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215031 << l0l! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
ascii_field: (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215105 << one can get something other than a small bottle of water for 5 eur ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
shinohai: I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me)
ascii_field: shinohai: os/arch ?
ascii_field: and what means 'doesn't work'
shinohai: OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/
ascii_field: what does it do instead ?
shinohai: lemme find error log.
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e
ascii_field: with soda & shortwave radio ?
shinohai: http://paste.debian.net/286989/
assbot: debian Pastezone ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDXHP8 )
jurov: ?
ascii_field: shinohai: see step 17
ascii_field: in instructions
ascii_field: then come back and say
shinohai: Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick.
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VM6kCh9AA ascii_field this one
assbot: Tesco World Radio. RAD-108 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDYi3g )
ascii_field: jurov: notbad
shinohai: Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build.
ascii_field: shinohai: very easy
shinohai: Easy for the expert to say xD
ascii_field: shinohai: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << use as basic guide
assbot: [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
shinohai: This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
ascii_field: nono
ascii_field: don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
shinohai: I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
shinohai: *is
ascii_field: so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ?
shinohai: yay!
ascii_field takes off hat
shinohai: If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare
shinohai: I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed.
jurov: only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate
mod6: <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque
shinohai: What issue did trinque have?
shinohai: !up ascii_field
trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit. ☟︎
assbot: Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1xSd )
trinque: the first; I don't give a shit about the second.
ascii_field: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/29/the-uber-ization-of-porn << i distinctly remember seeing that photo before - in a mircea_popescu link ??
assbot: The Uber-ization of porn - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1HJi )
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215180 <<< But they PINKY SWEAR! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 17:09:19; trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit.
trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk" ☟︎
trinque: the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level?
trinque: or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target
trinque: this is just progress!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204226 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
trinque: ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on
scoopbot_revived: The tragedy of the US legal system isn't that it fails to deter terrorism, but that it actively CREATES terrorism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/the-tragedy-of-the-us-legal-system-isnt-that-it-fails-to-deter-terrorism-but-that-it-actively-creates-terrorism/
trinque: nobody needs to collect data from AT&T
ascii_field: trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device
ascii_field: (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices)
ascii_field: ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots
trinque: in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband
trinque: what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there?
ascii_field: if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice
ascii_field: (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom)
ascii_field: (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought)
trinque: makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream
trinque: ah fuck, now I remember.
trinque: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/04/lindsey-graham/lindsey-graham-freedom-act-means-less-privacy-phon/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt5ps7 )
trinque: ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors"
ascii_field: were, always
trinque: yep
trinque: jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled
trinque: specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before?
trinque: I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp?
jurov: what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work
trinque: that's the one I'm on
trinque: redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings
trinque: jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on
jurov: trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback
trinque: jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload?
trinque: when I reload the page, still says disabled
trinque tries firefox
jurov: when i submit it shows back the log in page
jurov: after relogin it shows changed options
trinque: yeah, mine aren't changing
trinque: in either firefox or chrome
ben_vulpes: http://25iq.com/2015/07/25/a-dozen-things-ive-learned-from-paul-tudor-jones-about-investing-and-trading/ << we haven't done much investment philosophy since tat and the samovar readings...
assbot: A Dozen Things I’ve Learned from Paul Tudor Jones About Investing and Trading | 25iq ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwrgjy )
ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”" ☟︎
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski dat perel
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :(
trinque: ah ok
trinque: jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015."
trinque: perhaps an admin must re-enable?
shinohai: I hate cross compilation.
trinque: buildroot woes?
trinque: jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page
trinque: sorry, my fault.
shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner. ☟︎
shinohai: Back to Gentoo.
trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet. ☟︎
shinohai: I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
trinque: I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables
shinohai: I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/
trinque: imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn.
trinque: ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch.
trinque: aka, yoink.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud.
ben_vulpes: i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile
ben_vulpes: what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to.
ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind. ☟︎
punkman: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html
assbot: Stop pushing the web forward - QuirksBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwrXcG )
trinque: ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe
ben_vulpes: pipe did no wrong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-]
shinohai: well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though.
trinque: certainly
jurov: trinque you're set now to receive email
trinque: jurov: thank you sir
jurov: and configuration is now set to no-cache too
jurov: my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215252 << stator and rotor are kludges until the buildroot packages (as alluded to last night) are done. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215242 << thing is, as i currently understand, buildroot is the ~only~ way to build musl bitcoin ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
ascii_field: can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl
ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year.
pete_dushenski: she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list'
pete_dushenski checks list
pete_dushenski: will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all.
pete_dushenski: so much for that theory
mats: http://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/31c3-ss7-locate-track-manipulate.pdf << on 'SS7', used by telecoms netops for unauthenticated comms
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
assbot: Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O )
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery
ascii_field: !s drepper
assbot: 17 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
ascii_field: ^ his absence - is enough for me
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCkO0fWWqc << related to 'SS7'
assbot: Karsten Nohl: Mobile self-defense [31c3] (SnoopSnitch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQvG8 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25251782/cardinals-add-jen-welter-to-coaching-staff-first-female-coach-in-nfl << can't say i saw this coming.
assbot: Cardinals add likely first-ever female coach to a NFL team's staff - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQTV7 )
pete_dushenski: ^for BingoBoingo and other sportistes
pete_dushenski: i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team.
pete_dushenski: much harder to crack the seal in hockey or basketball
pete_dushenski: mebbe baseball wouldn't be so bad.
pete_dushenski mulls over a boobies in baseball bitbet prop.
jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold ☟︎
assbot: rini17 comments on Gold bugs: The original buttcoiners ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsZiDx )
pete_dushenski: "Yer face divorced buttgold long ago." << i loled
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136964.msg11989271#msg11989271
assbot: I think I was robbed for 48 bitcoin! Blockchain log HACKED? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRWV4 )
mats: searching logs is a pain in the ass nao
trinque: shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand"
trinque: guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program
trinque: gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him.
shinohai: Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC
trinque: well, he'll learn on his own
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/Amazing_Maps/status/625755498583838720/photo/1 << i told you guys borders were a flexible notion. see ? even the googs agreeth.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
shinohai: I haven't used QT in like 2 years
ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive
shinohai: I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features"
shinohai: *things
ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: how would he know we exist?
ascii_field: how did we learn that he exists
shinohai: Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt.
pete_dushenski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134322.0 << for log readers into physical crypto coins, i (still!) have a few lealana silver ltc pieces for sale. i'm accepting offers. dun be shy.
assbot: [WTS] FUNDED Batch 1 (2013) Lealana Silver Litecoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMTNZQ )
shinohai: O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins?
pete_dushenski: only these.
pete_dushenski: i'm no nubbins`
ascii_field: l0l, spiffy paperweight
ascii_field: why part with it ?
shinohai: I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there.
ascii_field: (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me.
pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box ☟︎
pete_dushenski: shinohai wadja buy ?
jurov: pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars
shinohai: Even tho I despise altcoins now.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ?
shinohai: xD
shinohai: http://anarcoins.com I think was his site. Been over a year ago.
shinohai: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Goxxed1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt1MBF )
pete_dushenski: lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome
pete_dushenski: that's some deep art right there.
shinohai: If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day.
pete_dushenski: ha !
pete_dushenski: i dub thee shinohai : 'the torturing pragmatist'
shinohai: hue
shinohai: One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm off again. toodaloo !
shinohai: We can put mircea_popescu's head on it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215121 < all monopoly must be defended all the way, which means all the way to physical violence. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
ascii_field: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000135.html << neato
assbot: [BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe )
mircea_popescu: for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism".
mircea_popescu: prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215136 << you're the one not fucking them, explain to the public why not. sure as hell they'd "coachsurf" in your livingroom as well as any other as well as any other cockroach, if you allowed it, so why aren;t you ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 16:28:23; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ?
mircea_popescu: because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then.
ascii_field: wai wut
ascii_field must be thick; confused
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so!
mircea_popescu: aha. so ?
ascii_field: with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice.
mircea_popescu: Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay.
mircea_popescu: BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else!
mircea_popescu: herp. lol.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ?
ascii_field: aha the parasite relay
ascii_field: just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for.
ascii_field: specifically,
ascii_field: noting that spectrum is not actually same as land.
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong
mircea_popescu: yes, spectrum is same as land.
ascii_field: confused re: the sunlight folks
ascii_field: unrelated.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-]
ascii_field: re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?)
mircea_popescu: dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking
mircea_popescu: ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing.
ascii_field: point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it
mircea_popescu: for sure.
ascii_field: (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock)
mircea_popescu: if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here.
mircea_popescu: propety is a convention not a quality.
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: !s what colour are your bits
assbot: 2 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits
mircea_popescu: (for ref, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-07-2015#1209754 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.dailystormer.com/sick-jew-sarah-silverman-hosts-night-of-a-thousand-vaginas-to-fund-abortion
assbot: Sick Jew Sarah Silverman Hosts ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’ To Fund Abortion | Daily Stormer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt4QOc )
mircea_popescu: i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess.
trinque: "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???"
trinque: bahahaha
mircea_popescu: o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu!
mircea_popescu: makesensenow.lol
trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215187 << aham. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
mircea_popescu: trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor.
mircea_popescu: but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity.
trinque: yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute
mircea_popescu: it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215229 << this is about at the level of "i am looking for a HB8.5 for my wife." ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215240 << aaaaaand failure mode. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us. ☟︎
shinohai: I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me.
shinohai: My first stator build failed at least 6 times.
mircea_popescu: sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it.
mircea_popescu: "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful.
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/17AP46M.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6lvL )
deedbot-: rejected: 1
trinque: mats: it's probably that character
mats: ¶¶ << ?
mats: fucking unicode...
trinque: I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: oops
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30Z50ZG.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6vDw )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+]
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215410 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215271 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
trinque: ah, oop in common lisp just arrived
trinque: yay
ascii_field: keene ?
trinque: yessir
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30P294T.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6Fut )
deedbot-: rejected: 1
mats: fucking unicode
mats: any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque?
ascii_field: trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh8DY )
trinque: mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/343DZ6K.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxhiLz )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
trinque: and that one's not signed
mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SCC0H7.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxhomj )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: yeah, oops
trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature ☟︎
trinque: so oops on my part as well
mats: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds
mats: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/nymex-oil-futures-hit-fresh-four-month-low-1438052636
assbot: Brent Falls to Lowest Price Since January - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyeWQY )
BingoBoingo: Lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/07/28/1855254/dhi-group-inc-announces-plans-to-sell-slashdot-media
assbot: DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyf0Qz )
shinohai: nobody wants slashdot lel
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: Prolly will still sell for more than Digg