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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21000984 = 0.42 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kako has it actually
mircea_popescu: ancient bitcoinica bug
mike_c: RFC: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/
assbot: Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, o wow, how is bitbet negastive ? she lost a bet meanwhile ?
mike_c: sort of
mike_c: er, yes
mike_c: she won, but it didn't cover the small hedge
mircea_popescu: link ?
mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b5
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: ah i c
mircea_popescu: dude is it great that these aren't related and so p2 can cover p4 etc
mircea_popescu: anywya, splendid tool that thing.
mike_c: will get even more live when jurov finishes his thing :)
mircea_popescu: splendid.
mircea_popescu: once bb's pot increases significantly i'll bug him to do something similar, but for now a small wildcard is all the spritz needed
mircea_popescu: anywya, fascinating what open *really* means.
mike_c: agreed
mircea_popescu: and making history and all that jazz all the derps claim
BingoBoingo: I'm still wondering how I might do that, but there are ideas.
mike_c: jurov's book would make infinite loop anyway. nav = (pc1,2,3,4) + nav * pc5 shares
mircea_popescu: part of the reason why i took him of nav pricing
mircea_popescu: he's doing mkt value.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, jd a whole dime up since yest too ?
mircea_popescu: muy bien muy bien
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087445 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/winklevoss-twins-buying-giant-14-5-million-penthouse-1584927093/+sarah-hedgecock
assbot: Winklevoss Twins Buying Giant $14.5 Million Penthouse... Together?
BingoBoingo: ^ Twincest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22000007 = 1.32 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1864 @ 0.00087363 = 1.6284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0303 = 0.303 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021539 / 0.00021552 (1050 shares, 0.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021704 / 0.00021726 (9050 shares, 1.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021726 (114803 shares, 24.94 BTC)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.225 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22002146 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
decimation: asciilifeform re: truecrypt audit >> it is indeed old news, but I didn't see the point emphasized on the channel
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21833333 = 1.31 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilieform re: transformer isn't nonlinear resonance something to be avoided? How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load conditions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0303 = 0.909 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2031 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07987578 = 3.9139 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: decimation: How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load << naturally, this is possible only within rated limit of a particular machine.
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb001.htm << good basic summary of the concept
assbot: hb001 Constant Voltage Transformer (CVT) introduction - the perfect sine wave
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22997729 = 1.3799 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: "This bait and switch defense procurement situation, one that has become eerily circular in nature, is a much larger threat to national security then uneducated men in mud huts with AK-47s. A foe which we have spent trillions targeting and killing for over the last decade with little to show for it." http://aviationintel.com/disgrace-navys-f-35b-carrier/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22997781 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.24131322 = 9.6525 BTC [+] {8}
benkay: !up chairforce1
chairforce1: why hello
benkay: how's it been?
chairforce1: excellent
chairforce1: u?
benkay: p okay
benkay: must cloast moar deals
chairforce1: which deals?
chairforce1: of wat nature
benkay: of the software-y and app-y nature
chairforce1: i love nature
chairforce1: r u making an app?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
benkay: "an" lolzlzozlz
chairforce1: ?
chairforce1: an application?
benkay: no as in like "only one?"
chairforce1: oh
chairforce1: how many r in the pipeline?
BingoBoingo: Maxint apps
benkay: (def maxint-apps (capacity-planner nerds-as-what-need-pimping-out))
benkay: setv if you're cool, i guess
benkay: <-- v. not cool opportunistic lisper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22971385 BTC [-]
benkay: <-- responsible for bedrock
benkay: what's so excellent with you, chairforce1 ?
chairforce1: well
chairforce1: idk what maxint and setv are
chairforce1: but im excellent because bitcoin is fun
chairforce1: and
chairforce1: i spent some time with my friends today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22971385 = 0.4594 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: what's so fun about bitcoin?
chairforce1: well
chairforce1: the who industry
chairforce1: its so new
chairforce1: and akward
chairforce1: no1 knows how to deal with it
chairforce1: its like watching a fawn beng born
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00203776 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {6}
chairforce1: its funny
BingoBoingo: I guess that's fair, there's been a lot of blood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.24999997 = 4.75 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: are you doing anything interesting with btc?
chairforce1: no
chairforce1: just admiring it
chairforce1: buy little bits here and there
chairforce1: when i can
chairforce1: yes there has been blood
chairforce1: bitcoin is ruthless
chairforce1: the markets are irrational
chairforce1: large players play around
chairforce1: securities is a bigger blood bath
chairforce1: the wild west of the wild west
chairforce1: no1 knows wtf is gong on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21004478 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: re: cvt: interesting. It seems to me that saturating the secondary would clip the output waveform, precautions must have been taken to prevent this
decimation: books.google.com/books?id=h2Es9vpaKhQC&pg=SA9-PA2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08600002 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0303 = 0.1515 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: after reading that chapter, it appears that ferroresonant transformers help with voltage regulation, suppressing harmonics and transients, as well as riding through nasty undervolt conditions (that kill switching power supplies). They aren't very helpful for momentary outages, as you have said.
asciilifeform: decimation: correct.
decimation: I might have to go find one of my own, if they are available for cheap.
asciilifeform: decimation: for outages, ordinary ups.
asciilifeform: decimation: (no reason not to connect traditional ups in series)
decimation: before the transformer I presume?
asciilifeform: aye
kakobrekla: ok so this newlisp is slow as fuck even if they claim otherwise.
asciilifeform: 'newlisp' is the 'feathercoin' of lisps
kakobrekla: is it?
kakobrekla: no clue
kakobrekla: had high hopes at first glance
asciilifeform: author started by pissing all over every single advance in the history of the language - starting with lexical scope, moving on to compiler, etc
asciilifeform: but, 'new' !
kakobrekla: other things but 'new' attracted me, but whatever.
kakobrekla: i found something else to waste time on
decimation: the 'trick' is the airgapped shunt that causes the secondary to saturate, thus causing the output voltage to remain in a narrow range. It's interesting to me that this has been known since 1940, is ideal for computers, and is apparently mostly unknown amoung computer users
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: vaguely relevant ancient thread: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3674
assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: decimation: it is very, very well known among computer users. behind the 'iron curtain.' ☟︎
decimation: "management" in the west would hate the buzzing
asciilifeform: decimation: the pill against the buzz is to lock the thing in a closet
decimation: yeah, wires exist for a reason I guess.
asciilifeform: decimation: your mains step-down transformer would also be quite audible if you were to take it off the pole and bring it in your living room.
decimation: I'm interested in the lightning suppression, I live in a lightning-prone area and I want to take precautions against harm. I'm not convinced by the "protect" LED in cheapass MOV devices
asciilifeform: CVTs are still used in places where equipment costs $maxint. i personally ordered one installed in a lab where i once worked.
asciilifeform: (we were getting transients from a newly installed gigantic air conditioner)
asciilifeform: quite a few of the units you'll find on 'ebay' are labeled 'minicomputer transformer.' so, i imagine they were shipped with pdp and vax.
asciilifeform: if your computer costs serious dough, a $1k power filter is small change.
decimation: yeah, that's the kind of device where you want to shop "ebay local"
asciilifeform: that or 'free ship'
decimation: lol I bet it costs $1 to ship from hong kong
asciilifeform: decimation: they're typically guaranteed for 25 years or so. get a used box with clear conscience.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07435204 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
decimation: re: dataflow: I've been browsing the academic papers on "dataflow" computers. Most of them are crazy "C machine" and "Dataflow sidecar" hybrids. Makes as much sense as putting a massive aircraft engine in a car: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJn7LHE83cc
asciilifeform: incidentally: cvt is a good pill against nosy buggers who'd like to 'read' bits off your mains wiring.
kakobrekla: interesting asciilifeform , you really have seen it all, and too bad you didnt link me a week ago. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]
decimation: I prefer to keep the lower frequency EM fields around my house pure, so I can receive shortwave well
decimation: like this guy - all kinds of citations etc: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/research/iwls04.pdf Figure 1 is amusing/sad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0215101 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {7}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.02051 = 0.3487 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0205 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0201001 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02010007 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02001675 = 0.1201 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02437999 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07987039 = 0.5591 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03039 = 0.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5295 @ 0.00087029 = 4.6082 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation mihaib sounds like quite the romanian name
gribble: The operation succeeded.
[]bot: Bet created: "Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/873/
mircea_popescu: i gotta say i really like how btcalpha works.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.03030312 = 0.4848 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 303960 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 455 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11611667751.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.05565
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24361 @ 0.00086662 = 21.1117 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21036645 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts
assbot: Latest posts of: kslaughter
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02811021 = 0.2249 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02811015 = 0.5622 BTC [-] {2}
dub: lol
lobbes: It is a shitstorm in that thread.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082843 = 3.3137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00082843 = 8.2843 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3657 BTC [-]
dub: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082843 / 0.00087459 / 0.0008815 (1017982 shares, 890.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.00087188 / 0.00090911 (6297303 shares, 5,490.53 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00090953 / 0.00101 (26331504 shares, 23,949.53 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07450141 = 0.3725 BTC [-]
dub: im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.07368519 = 21.7371 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00081 = 8.1 BTC [-]
xmj: Good morning.
kakobrekla: hi
fluffypony: gutentag
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00080218 = 0.8022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 180 @ 0.02021789 = 3.6392 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0202409 = 0.6072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008 = 4.8 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22947 @ 0.00080218 = 18.4076 BTC [+]
benkay: <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts // what the fuck am i looking
assbot: Latest posts of: kslaughter
dub: with any luck the end of any need to further troll his victims
dub: its old now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0202409 = 0.1417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 327 @ 0.00210072 = 0.6869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07209 = 0.2884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0202409 = 0.2834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00080143 = 2.4043 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 416 @ 0.02438471 = 10.144 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0245 = 0.1225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0008 = 3.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 389 @ 0.0202409 = 7.8737 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay With any luck you were looking at someone's best efforts to spoil any money they might have already spent on lawyers.
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pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/03/0312232/seattle-approves-15-per-hour-minimum-wage notice the clever trick… it will be in 2021
assbot: Seattle Approves $15 Per Hour Minimum Wage - Slashdot
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moiety: good morning :D
jurov: hi moiety :)
jurov: you're up to a call to missouri, have you seen it?
jurov: (not anything urgent)
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xmj: !up
xmj: well, that worked.
xmj can recommend tilaa.nl for FreeBSD VPS.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02111493 = 0.2111 BTC [-]
Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything.
jurov recommends network of VPSes distributed to different suppliers
jurov: now if I can figure out how to sanely manage it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00079366 = 13.2144 BTC [-]
xmj: jurov: ansible ?
Naphex: why would you do anything on a hypervisor you don't control is beyond me.
pankkake: because it's THE CLOUD
Naphex: you can even skip thinking that anything stored there is secure. cause everything is available to the hypervisor and who runs it
xmj: Do you run a binary linux distribution like Fedora/EL6,7/Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, ...?
Naphex: your ram, your encryption, your keys, your storage, your IRQs
Naphex: i compile from source on verified sum packages
fluffypony: I'm moving all of my sites on to iCloud
fluffypony: I'll be writing them in Swift
Naphex: then snapshot that and use it to clone servers
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, sounds like a win
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah it's really going to save me having to learn JavaScript and using Node, that seemed way too complicated
fluffypony: although I hear mongoDB is the best database because even CoinBase uses it
Naphex: "Objective-C without the baggage of C."
Naphex: so..
Naphex: http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/06/02/swift_benchmark.jpg i like it how they beat python in it trololol
jurov: xmj when on every machine is potentially different distro, and even roles of the machines are different?
Apocalyptic: and they chose on the most used crypto algorithm today... behold RC4
Apocalyptic: *one
pankkake: why would you use a different distro?
jurov: because they don't offer the one i want?
pankkake: oh, well, that sucks
pankkake: though yes I don't use Gentoo on VPSes
jurov: but it has some sweet upsides, part of coinbr infrastructure is down all the time, i can fix it later when I have the time
jurov: nobody noticed so far :)
Naphex: well, it shouldn't be down in the first place
jurov: well, since the part(s) running mpexagent is/are at physically hardly accessible place
jurov: some redundance is in order
jurov: are your keys physically inaccessible at secret locations, naphex?
Naphex: jurov: what keys?
jurov: coinbr needs gpg keys to trade on mpex, obv
jurov: and they must be online
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-neptune-20nm-wafers-headed-packaging/
jurov: so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive
xmj: jurov: as long as they have python installed, no problem
xmj: jurov: Ansible is pretty powerful even in heterogenous envs.
fluffypony: don't be sexist
fluffypony: even hetero servers need love
xmj: we use it from jenkins with different nix variants including centos and ubuntu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22001595 = 0.44 BTC [+]
Naphex: jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it.
Naphex: cold wallets can just be multisig
xe4l: Morning
jurov: xmj i'm still pretty much in the beginning, so far it seems saltstack has more fitting primitives
Naphex: everything is physical, on _owned_ hardware in special datacenters.
jurov: good for you
xe4l: I dont't understand the need for special datacenters
Naphex: well, don't know how much of a need it is
jurov: =DCs protected by specnaz
xe4l: unless your saying private colo, as in you alone have physical access
xmj: jurov: saltstack is brilliant if you want a master/client setup with at least one master configuring multiple clients
xe4l: otherwise an EQ or whatever is equally good
Naphex: but having datacenters with qualified professinals and an actuall account manger. + guarded access to the datacenter
Naphex: also you don't want shitty datacenter support running with your hard drives
xmj: Naphex: I like owned hardware. Co-location and self-owning is factually less expensive. but you'll have to maintain the hardware, which can suck.
Naphex: so you better make sure if its serious you pick a very good datacenter, with protection and other several high profile customers
xe4l: can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out
Naphex: xmj: if you pick good hardware and balance rightly there is not that much maintainance
Naphex: i mean replace and ocassional broken drive every year or so
fluffypony: xmj: please don't be sexist
fluffypony: master/slave is bad terminology
xmj: Naphex: yep, but definitely more so than when you outsource that whole thing to someone.
Naphex: and deprecate/switch some servers
xe4l: The trick is to have your dynamic capacity all on the cloud and use the hardware for things requring a high degree of trust
xmj: Naphex: obviously depends on your biz model.
Naphex: i mean, if you're making dough
xmj: if you're interested in building infrastructure, that's different
Naphex: you better hire a sysadmin
Naphex: and some coders and a designer
Naphex: to maintain your shit
Naphex: or just quit or sell it or whatever
Naphex: no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff
xmj: Naphex: we're in 2014 ☟︎
xmj: clouds and virtual stuff _just works_ and has been for five years.
xmj: sysadmins are called 'devops engineers'
Naphex: well thats just washy washy
Naphex: too me it just sounds like lazy developers and lazy bussiness owners
Naphex: who just want to run their shit without every thinking about anything
Naphex: and meanwhile profiting
pankkake: the fact is that devops don't understand the first thing about unix
pankkake: my time at devops events = oh my god what am i doing here
Naphex: yes the webdevel generation
xe4l: there's a large disparity in the skillset of people with a devops
pankkake: it usually works fine until it doesn't
jurov: Naphex you do everything properly and they you get forced to surrender ssl cert to cloudflare anyway
jurov: upo thread of expulsion from the dc
Naphex: jurov: i've never heard of threat of explusion from dc, and if you get that just move. louzy dc
pankkake: that wasn't trolling?
Naphex: a dc should have proper ddos mitigations, and solutions for ddos/dos. and the worst case scenario they should cut your upstream
xe4l: I've never heard of that
Naphex: and recover after that
jurov: you have such dc in romania?
xe4l: Naphex: maybe if your dealing with bottom rate providers, why not build your own edge instead of using whatever blended they have
Naphex: jurov: yes
Naphex: i am very happy with my dc, they have everything <3
pankkake: but do they have clouds?
Naphex: nowadays yeah
Naphex: my AM tried to sell me some cloud :)
Naphex: i told him to shove it
Naphex: but i still doubt they sell any cloud
Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk
pankkake: do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too?
fluffypony: butt
Naphex: caca
Naphex: cacacloud
pankkake: lol
Naphex: i mean, hey if you want some virtualizing buy 10 servers, host some hypervisor
Naphex: and run them up and down
Naphex: host your sendmail on vps1, http vps2, whatever
pankkake: http://youtu.be/sU8Sge0nNJU
assbot: Clouds - Radical Cutting Methods - YouTube
fluffypony: my biggest gripe with the cloud
fluffypony: is that a VPS of any measurably decent performance
fluffypony: costs me the same as a dedi box
xe4l: not really
Naphex: i mean whats this thing about costs nowadays
xe4l: there are quite a few inexpensive cloud providers
fluffypony: xe4l: oversold resources cannot compete with dedicated resources
Naphex: or just everyone poor?:)
mircea_popescu: am i the only one that most enjoys writing dismissal letters of all the letter types there are ?
Naphex: 200eur/month for 32GBram sever, with 32 cores, and some fast storage
Naphex: run your shit forever
mircea_popescu: not even ransom notes are this much fun
xe4l: agreed, but that's not the use case of virtual servers really
xe4l: I wouldn
xe4l: run my main db on a vps, but I would run a bunch of read slaves, web servers, etc
xe4l: things I wanted to rapidly scale based upon demand
mircea_popescu: dub: im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making << i don't see how it could be a single person, it makes no sense
mircea_popescu: also it's ^H^H^H
mircea_popescu: hi xe4l. who are you ?
xe4l: I doubt theres a single site in the alexa top 250 that runs purely off of cloud without basically purchasing the equiv of a physical box, eg: AWS provisioned vps
fluffypony: xe4l: last year I had to reindex a large database table (a necessary evil occasionally). I thought to offload it to a VPS provider, Linode or DigitalOcean or someone, so as to avoid needing to choke my db server. Needless to say, 12 hours in they shitcanned the VPS slice because of "excessive resource usage".
xe4l: friend of joecool, infosec/nix/network/etc person
fluffypony: so now if I need something like that I just fire up http://www.baremetalcloud.com and pay by the hour for a dedicated box to do the work
mircea_popescu: welcome.
xe4l: thank you
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, basically "the cloud" is just the new marketing gimmick, used to be "unmetered access shared servers" in 2004
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: get INFINITE BANDWIDTH for $5
xe4l: p.much
xe4l works for a very fast growing cloud hosting company
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: why in the hell.
mircea_popescu: *: Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything. << im with him jurov. i would guess all the romanianz on the internet are with us. which means YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. all of youse.
jurov: wut
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I'll be writing them in Swift << and in a little while you can be known as rapedpony
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: jurov, wut wut
jurov: trouble parsing that statement
pankkake: I've had to read it twice
pankkake: ovh really did have infinite bandwidth but they were apparently looking for it
mircea_popescu: pankkake, economics are economics. i get that the large peering networks mostly peer for free, but that "free" is a hidden cost
mircea_popescu: (you must offer equal capacity, which has a carrying cost on the books
fluffypony: Darkcoin fanbois eventually back down when cornered and admit there's no cryptographic grounding: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2751e8/psa_dont_fall_for_darkcoins_deceiving_marketing/chxy4wv?context=5
assbot: Ozziecoin comments on PSA: Don't fall for Darkcoin's deceiving marketing and pump and dump. It's just a copy of CoinJoin (created by a Bitcoin core dev, for Bitcoin), and does not give perfect anonymity.
mircea_popescu: and even if you do make it huge, the ops will just start charging you for THEIR carry capacity, which you've now made a scarce resource through your managerial incompetence)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, what i like is how "a core dev" is dropping the use of his actual name.
fluffypony: "Evan brings Darkcoin over 17 years of software development experience and an interest in artificial intelligence, financial markets and economics."
fluffypony: because when you want a cryptographically sound solution to anonymity
fluffypony: what you really want is a VB.net developer with an economics background
pankkake: that is 17 years old
mircea_popescu: jurov: so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive << actually the one secret in all of btc i;m most curious about is the complete schematics of the rat's nest jurov no doubt built.
fluffypony: https://www.darkcoin.io/meetteam.html
assbot: DARKCOIN
fluffypony: "Kyle brings over 25 years of experience in System Administration and Development. "
fluffypony: more relevant skills
mircea_popescu: i don't tend to spy on allies (unlike the us, let it be pointed out) and so i guess that's one thing to look forward to once he's extradited
mircea_popescu: ok you two im bashing that
mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc coinjoin was gmaxwell's idea originally. ended up in a lengthy discussion with midnightmagic over its dismerits a year ago
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's kinda reverse of the schema of mpex proxies you have posted
mircea_popescu: jurov, i can't imagine there aren't piles of strange in there.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, give them a link to that team of muppets, lemme find it
mircea_popescu: like "But was it <a href=http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/>built from the ground up with security in mind</a> ?"
fluffypony: OH they keep throwing that out
fluffypony: or is that the X11coin crowd
fluffypony: yes them
fluffypony: so I link them to mintcoin files in the X11coin github repository
fluffypony: and they're like "FUD! FUD!"
mircea_popescu: lolk
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mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of github traffic can actually boot a physical machine in any arbitrary os provided they get the distro.
mircea_popescu: (lowest qualification for any driver : can actually start any one car, irrespective of make or model)
jurov: lol when i got for first time a (rented) car with automatic gear
jurov: could not figure out how to put it in reverse
jurov: had to read the manual for 10mins
mircea_popescu: Naphex: jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it. << i wager someone paid for a lot of brazilian waxing so far.
fluffypony: I find automatics very jarring and disconcerting to drive, lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, they're the mac os of cardom.
pankkake: reverse seems to be the only non standard thing in cars
mircea_popescu: all the fucking buttons are in unexpected places.
pankkake: as for github I'd say under 10%
mircea_popescu: pankkake, remember back when it was cool ?
pankkake: what was cool?
fluffypony: cats
fluffypony: cars
jurov: ponies
fluffypony: now moiety is going to get excited
fluffypony: jurov: ponies have never been cool, I'm the eternal hipster
mircea_popescu: xe4l: can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out << actually most midrange dcs don't let you swap locks out
fluffypony: "Q: Sometimes I get redirected to another site called “organicmoneyfarm”, what the?" LOL!!
mircea_popescu: some charge a fee for it.
jurov: waitwhat? bronies != hipsters now?
pankkake: indeed, cars used to be cool and got you the girls
mircea_popescu: pankkake, githoob.
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pankkake: I use giteub - teub is verlan for bite
pankkake: github is still cool, but I'm not
mircea_popescu: Naphex: no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff << exactly. and at this point i can't tell if xml is trolling or serious.
mircea_popescu: hey xml, you trolling or serious ?
jurov: you mean xe4l ?
mircea_popescu: no i mean http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699790 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: xmj i guess. not my fault he makes me thing of xml.
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jurov: oh he's clearly trolling
mircea_popescu: a ok.
jurov: but physical hw doesn't "just work" neither anymore
mircea_popescu: dude computers that "just work" are like girlfriends that "just fuck"
mircea_popescu: grow up.
jurov: i mean, that's fallacious argument
mircea_popescu: jurov: upo thread of expulsion from the dc << what shitcenter was this ?
xmj: mircea_popescu: if your girlfriend doesn't, then you're doing it wrong.
mircea_popescu: i don't have a girlfriend.
xmj: there you are
mircea_popescu: neither does jurov.
mircea_popescu: the reasons being, of course, outside of the realm of your priors.
jurov: what shitcenter was this ? most of faux-dcs i know about
mircea_popescu: Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg.
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mircea_popescu: pankkake: do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too? << cloud in romanian sounds pretty much like duncan mcloud from the clan mcloud.
pankkake: by bank can't even configure their ssl properly
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xe4l: most banks of a nice hardy shell and a gooey interior
mircea_popescu: im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao
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mircea_popescu: mike_c you has ruined my internets productivity
xe4l: I obliterated my first fortune 10 pentest
xmj: mircea_popescu: case in point
xe4l: all in-scope systems in north america in 24 hours
mircea_popescu: xmj, im sorry ?
xmj: mircea_popescu: if you do a startup, with an idea in mind -- highlevel one -- and let yourself get distracted by hardware/network issues right in the beginning
xmj: mircea_popescu: then that's just you doing it very very wrong as those shouldn't be part of your business in the beginning.
xmj: s/business/core business/
jurov: xmj, you should praise github then
mircea_popescu: the universe where a heroic twentysomething starts leinterwebs bizniss is a very interesting fictional metaverse. we revel in retelling the stories of adventure and glory much like some women enjoy watching telenovellas.
xe4l: github actually has a decent setup these days
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile, business is made by businessmen not by aspi[rational] kids
Naphex: xmj: hey distracted, since when do you do high level apps, and not think about the hardware they are running or the performance you want to get out of it
Naphex: picking hardware to run your shit should be one of the first steps
jurov: with decent 0days...just that anyone can commit anything
Naphex: and if you can't do it, hire someone who can
xe4l works with the people that previously worked at github
mircea_popescu: xe4l, does that mean all the women or what ?
xe4l: no women from github yet
xe4l: devops people mostly
Naphex: <+mircea_popescu> Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg. << Maybe but they can pick good datacenters ;]
pankkake: jurov: but that's the spirit of open source! :)
mircea_popescu: now this may be true.
Naphex: and they will have a big sec status on their servers
xmj: Naphex: no, thoughts like that right in the beginning are expensive, spin up two-three VPS until you have a customer base to warrant and pay for those thoughts.
mircea_popescu: xmj srsly, you;re being stupid.
xmj: Naphex: bro do u even lean?
xmj: do u even bootstrap?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think you're entitled to put forth that nonsense in the company of adults, but don't.
mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
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xmj: mircea_popescu: Listen kiddo. I'm talking how it's really done in here. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: joesmoe, you'll need to get in assbot's l2 trust
xmj: You do not think about hardware until you get to a point where you can reasonably say you've run into scaling issues.
xmj: 75% of the startups I know run off AWS.
xmj: the others use heroku, rackspace or what-have-you cloud-based hosting.
xe4l: I ran my last venture off aws
xe4l: aws is terribly expensive though
mircea_popescu: i guess my ignore list was hungry.
Naphex: so basicly
Naphex: don't plan shit
mircea_popescu: ;;rate xmj -1 meets my definition of marauding idiocy.
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Naphex: and run everything elsewhere not thinking about anything except your very nice hot new facebook app
Naphex: that you're doing high level expensive thinking on
xmj: ;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy
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xmj: well that's a shame.
fluffypony: startup strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQdlXvbWSU
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Naphex: lean startup strategy == fail startup strategy?
xe4l: the startup strategy I'm the most fond of at this point is to get the MVP out the door asap so your customers can begin to use your product
xmj: exactly
Naphex: see, now it takes 2 days
Naphex: to buy some servers
Naphex: and install em
xmj: and thinking about low-level crap like hardware and network infrastructure just is not conducive to your MVP.
xe4l: sadly, as much as is I love building the perfect thing on the first go, it's not terribly pheasable unless it's a b2b business
mircea_popescu: xe4l, what's the rush anyway.
xmj: exactly
xe4l: b2c demands you begin to get feedback from your customers
xe4l: so you can start tuning the product
mircea_popescu: or to put it in another perpsective, if you're in any hurry either your product isn't in a good enough market or your financial structure is shit.
Naphex: what have this people been brain washed to do
mircea_popescu: fix both first.
xmj: I'm not talking about business services.
xe4l: I agree with that mircea_popescu
Apocalyptic: <Naphex> what have this people been brain washed to do // kinda been wondering the same
xmj: mircea_popescu: Bootstrapped lean startups have next to no financial structure.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, everyone gotta eat, so plentry of people will habve to be employed in marginal businesses.
mircea_popescu: but if you're claling your marginal business "A start-up" you're basically begging to work for free
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mircea_popescu: that's why salaries were invented : to pay for work in marginal businesses.
Naphex: i don't get most of the arguments anyway
Naphex: like its expensive to think about infrastructure
Naphex: and networking
Naphex: and bleah hardware
Naphex: the low level shit
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mircea_popescu: "it's too expensive to do what we should nbe doing but are too lazy to do"
jurov: Naphex, good sysdamins are cheap?
Apocalyptic: it requires a brain, and it's getting expensive to fond one these days
mircea_popescu: or how the us turned itself from a world power into a competitor for nigeria.
Apocalyptic: *to find
Naphex: to me this sounds exactly like the markting bull in the oldies, where you buy shitty 12$ hosting
xe4l: haha Apocalyptic damn tooin
Naphex: for your super uber new online bussiness
mircea_popescu: now where's that link
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
assbot: "It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it."
Naphex: is U.S. not producing any more good sysadmins?
Naphex: import some mexicans
xe4l: if anyone has a desire for strong anonymity, pm me, someone I know is setting up something interesting
Naphex: on cloud hosting
Naphex: with everything you do readable to everyone
Naphex: developed using lean mean startup strategy of makeing the website, and hosting the vps on amazon aws
Naphex: VPN*
chetty: oy vey, some of the 'thinking' going on here explains all the recent big data breeches nicely
Naphex: i've seen 16 y/o with access to hacked vps supervisors on pretty big providers
Apocalyptic: haha, thanks for the link mircea
mircea_popescu: chetty, for some reason benkay figured we need live examples of the ycombinator-and-clones "businessmen" for further lulz.
chetty: I guess we all could use a refresher every now and then
mircea_popescu: at least usagi & co have the excuse that they insistently make nonsensical claims because their brains don't actually work
Naphex: http://www.lean.org/whatslean/
assbot: What is Lean
Naphex: LEAN thinking
Naphex: so culty
Apocalyptic: Naphex, more like lean forward
Naphex: haha
xe4l: Naphex: hm, wonder how they got that access
xe4l: hypervisor escape exploit/
Naphex: xe4l: probably hacked em with shitty brute force scans
xe4l: lol probably
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mircea_popescu: xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing
xmj: Note: I'm not saying how I'd do it.
xe4l: not very many elite 16 year olds these days
xe4l: eh you'd be surprised
Naphex: 16:07 <+mircea_popescu> xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing << you don't burn exploits
xmj: I say it how I've seen it in countless incubators, coworking spaces, and the likes.
mircea_popescu: now this my nbe true, my experience is 2nd hand.
xe4l has had some z days
xe4l: it's not burning it if no one gets your exploit
Naphex: oh someone will
mircea_popescu: ^
xmj: mircea_popescu: how long do you usually ignore people?
mircea_popescu: talk about securing bitcoin being hard.
chetty: hey lets throw some spagetti at the wall and see if it sticks
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Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF-YBfnappM
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Mats_cd03: nvm this version sucks
bitcoinpete: ;;rate usagi -5 milkman who can't back up .dat file. not to be trusted with coins.
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fluffypony: heh
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i got a kick out of those later comments on the bitcointalk thread
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/473818072474984448
assbot: Lol funny watching /UsagiMeijin get his eyes pumped shut on the forums. What did he expect? https://t.co/UFbfHZzZqW
fluffypony: lol
bitcoinpete: so i've asked him to make his requests public on the comments section of my blog
Mats_cd03: i dunno why any of you bother
bitcoinpete: we'll see if he follows through or if he wants to be be all plaintextprivate
Mats_cd03: dude's sipping mai tais and lolling at a laptop somewhere in bermuda
bitcoinpete: Mats_cd03: and we're sipping manhattans and lolling at him
bitcoinpete: so?
Mats_cd03: drama llama
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Naphex: "Actually I have to admit I am a little suprised at the negativity I'm getting over this, it's as if people automatically assume every failure is intentional."
Naphex: lol
Apocalyptic: is that an usagi quote ?
Apocalyptic: could be Karpeles
Naphex: its probably both
Naphex: hehe
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Naphex: "give him all your money. maybe the next failure could be due to some rats chewing on the cables ??" i lol'd
fluffypony: thestringpuller: "Don't be a "fucking" retard, and watch your language with me." - lol, you have incurred the wrath of usagi!
fluffypony: "Do you want me to pull quotes from #bitcoin-assets too?"
fluffypony: usagi reads logs - HI USAGI!
Naphex: "This" makes me seem totally irresponsible. But here's the deal; we had regular, weekly, off-site backups. Even if someone got a hold of the backups they would be unable to take money out of the wallet without the password. And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup""
Apocalyptic: so fluffypony is allegedly a scammer now
Apocalyptic: this is getting better and better...
Naphex: too bad they can just grab your walletpassphrase from your code lolol
Naphex: or your bash history file, or just listening to your tty
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I'm hoping to join the honoured ranks
pankkake: where are those quotes from?
pankkake: ;;gettrust usagi
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Naphex: was readying the usagi thread
Naphex: reading*
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> i dunno why any of you bother << cause their girlfriends have girlfriends of their own and so they get bored ?
princessnell: thx. morning all!
mircea_popescu: hey there.
princessnell: how goes it?
mircea_popescu: And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup"" << "... i classified it as off-site so it is in a sauna somewhere which is the highest security level there is."
fluffypony: "Did you know fluffypony is actually a well-known scammer who has ripped off dozens of people with his openrigs scam? I know -- what's he even doing here?"
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: ,,rate fluffypony -1 obviously I'm a well-known scammer
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Naphex: well you do live in africa ;]]]
fluffypony: I haven't even told you that I'm a Nigerian prince yet
fluffypony: I was saving that for later
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: the new RS7/A7 looks gorgeus
Naphex: http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2014/06/03/2015-audi-a7-s7-rs-7-revealed-with-minor-facelift-uae-saudi-ksa-qatar-gcc/
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fluffypony: pretty
bitcoinpete: more and more robotic looking
bitcoinpete: more like ironman's mask
fluffypony: they're deploying the transformers, bitcoinpete
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bitcoinpete: robots in disguise lol
mike_c: mircea_popescu:im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao << perhaps I should add a credits system :)
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fluffypony: lol!
fluffypony: paywall'd by mike_c
mike_c: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk.
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mike_c: xmj:;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy << wait, shouldn't that merit a positive rating?
xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is.
princessnell: lol so many ~lean startup~ lemmings in mordor
xmj: mike_c: if he shits on me for stating how other people do (and fail at) it, then yes, that does deserve negative ratings.
mike_c: well, i'm not looking to reignite that silly argument. "bootstrap lean fail-fast pivot" is a joke.
asciilifeform: is 'lean startup' a new euphemism for 'starving artist' ?
chetty: lean does not have to = stupid. Sadly most of them are.
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princessnell: such a fuzzy buzzy term
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you may not be too far
bitcoinpete: princessnell: from your rt: my wife works in the same field as her dad and my mother works in a related field to hers.
bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study
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Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/felixjaehn/felix-jaehn-shine-feat-freddy-verano-linying-2
assbot: Felix Jaehn - Shine (feat. Freddy Verano & Linying) by Felix Jaehn on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
fluffypony: ok so let me tell you about my new startup: it's going to be a one-click backup service called iWalletBackup. It will let you use Siri via raise-to-talk to back all your wallets up to iCloud. It's being written in Swift and will use mongoDB as a backend. It can scale nearly instantly because it will just fire up new AWS instances on-demand. Our development methodology is fail-fast-fail-often, where we'll write an iteration, and then once that
fluffypony: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi.
princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there!
bitcoinpete: princessnell lol you definitely did!
Mats_cd03: 89baller
bitcoinpete: my choices were law and architecture
Mats_cd03: ^ baller, that is
bitcoinpete: bitcoin combines a bit of both, i suppose
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: step 1. blog, step 2. ipo
princessnell: ha, ya, it does
princessnell: also, re silk road, i love it when i beat <3science<3 by a few months: http://theumlaut.com/2013/08/13/silk-road-as-a-self-regulating-black-market/
assbot: Silk Road as a Self-Regulating Black Market | The mlaut
fluffypony: oh damn I forgot we need an IPO step for every failure
fluffypony: we're planning on monthly failure->IPO->buy out iterations
pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sidekick_data_loss
assbot: 2009 Sidekick data loss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: the ipo is only the most important part
bitcoinpete: it's where we get paid!
fluffypony feels ashamed
bitcoinpete: other than when we "forget to backup"
bitcoinpete: both = profit
fluffypony: as a KNOWN SCAMMER I should've known better
fluffypony: I have failed scammer-kind
bitcoinpete: ya why is openrigs still a private thing?
fluffypony: I have to commit scampukku
bitcoinpete: don't you want redditards to make money?
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/fkj-2/fkj-lying-together
assbot: FKJ - Lying Together by FKJ on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I think I'm the world's worst scammer
fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io
assbot: Coingen
princessnell: o ya, made a sweet novelty coin for my pug
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: heard of things like that. $50 for a coin or w/e
fluffypony: so I think we should do IPOgen - it can create a website, a logo, an IPO forum post, and list you on CryptoStocks
jurov: i'd do IPO for cryptostocks relief fund
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2219 @ 0.0000654 = 0.1451 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and list it on CS, of course
fluffypony: and it could be recursive - the test of the code is that it must IPO itself
mike_c: coingen is how Altcoin was born
bitcoinpete: i don't think silbert could be any dumber: https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/473822123085950976
assbot: Exciting bitcoin possibilities too MT /Recode: What Apples Fingerprint ID Changes Mean for Its Big Mobile Payments http://t.co/Hx8fneUHbA
bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin… i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project
fluffypony: I think it's a great idea - your private key is made from your fingerprint. That way if you don't put your finger down *just* right you get a whole new privkey and can't access the old one till you figure out how you put your finger down previously
mike_c: cost != value :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00080169 = 26.5359 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: just letting it run through the recommended tracks is actually pretty awesome, Sound Cloud has gotten better and better for discovering music
bitcoinpete: mike_c: of course, you're right :)
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: or you could have 10 privkeys, one per finger. max!
fluffypony: great idea!
bitcoinpete: this will cut down on blockchain bloat
bitcoinpete: and make it so that iphones can carry the full blockchain
fluffypony: well the other nice thing is the harder it is for people to retrieve their privkeys, the more likely they are to be lost forever
fluffypony: which increases the value of Bitcoin by reducing the supply
fluffypony: so really they'd only be doing themselves a favour
jurov: cut all dem fingerz
bitcoinpete: finger thieves will replace haxxors
bitcoinpete: less scared of nsa, more scared of shop class
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4685 @ 0.00004 = 0.1874 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.21015158 = 1.6812 BTC [-] {8}
fluffypony: pankkake: we haven't discussed your fee yet, and u-saga wants to know how much we're paying you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 61 @ 0.20340599 = 12.4078 BTC [-] {14}
fluffypony: [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]
fluffypony: let me know if that's enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.0007991 = 15.6224 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.025499 = 0.1275 BTC [+] {5}
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/octobersveryown/drake-0-to-100
assbot: Drake ~ 0 to 100 / The Catch Up by octobersveryown on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
Mats_cd03: fun fact: drake is a canadian jew
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.025499 = 0.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07100011 = 0.284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0226 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 247 @ 0.00060999 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/06/02/bitcoin-startup-bitfurys-ceo-earlier-repped-notorious-market-ex-ua/
assbot: Bitcoin Startup BitFury’s CEO Earlier Repped ‘Notorious Market’ Ex.ua - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/adultjazz/spook-1
assbot: Spook by Adult Jazz on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
bitcoinpete: "He said that BitFury is slated to open the world’s largest data center aimed at producing bitcoin near Tbilisi. It will have electric power capacity of 20 megawatts"
bitcoinpete: $250
bitcoinpete: $250M valuation for bitfury
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18670056 = 1.867 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6823 @ 0.00080433 = 5.4879 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0224 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: !t h smg
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00004000 / 4.833E-5 / 0.00006541 (7609 shares, 0.36772550 BTC), 7D: 0.00004000 / 4.921E-5 / 0.00007210 (8009 shares, 0.39413104 BTC), 30D: 0.00004000 / 6.26E-5 / 0.00009920 (22814 shares, 1.42811808 BTC)
mike_c: does nobody in here have a havelol account? i guess it's not worth picking up the bit-dime in arbitrage.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell jurov wondering if you can do transfer of s.mg from havelol to coinbr…
artifexd: mike_c: I have one. It's empty but it exists. What do you need?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: well, i don't need anything. just saying there is arbitrage available between havelock smg passthrough and mpex.
mike_c: but transferring shares off havelock is prohibitively expensive, which is probably why nobody bothers.
artifexd: 1BTC minimum fee per transfer?!
Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution
artifexd: Yeah. "Prohibitively expensive" is right.
mike_c: artifexd: so where does that leave the shares. owning a share of s.mg on havelock is only worth 50% as much as a share on mpex. crazy, huh. they are way overpricing those havelock shares :)
bitcoinpete: artifexd: blimey
mike_c: Mats_cd03: dunno, but i think less than a day in general.
Mats_cd03: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june 2 days :(
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
artifexd: You'd need over 25k shares to cover a 50% arb. There aren't that many shares for sell under .00009 on havelol.
bitcoinpete: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ballmer-brings-cheer-competitiveness-clippers-164905128--finance.html
assbot: Ballmer brings cheer, competitiveness to Clippers - Yahoo Finance
bitcoinpete: cheer > racism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.20986614 = 3.3579 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2282 BTC [+]
mike_c: Mats_cd03: that one has already been paid out..
Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
assbot: Bitcoin Address 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
bitcoinpete: huh
Mats_cd03: am i high and missing something
mike_c: i don't think you are.
bitcoinpete: no, none have been paid yet
Mats_cd03: ok
mike_c: well how the hell are you supposed to know that? it says it's been paid out.
mike_c: paging kakobrekla.
nubbins`: ;;view
gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03722 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
artifexd: nubbins`: How many orders have you received for those shirts?
nubbins`: 8 shirts so far
bitstein: I may order one soon. That looks awesome.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mike_c> paging kakobrekla.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitstein: This happened to me once: https://i.imgur.com/k7lRM00.jpg
mike_c: that's confusing.
bitcoinpete: bitstein: lol classic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.03262148 BTC to 8`452 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
nubbins`: see, i understand "check your bitcoin privilege" to have an opposite meaning to the general "check your privilege"
artifexd: So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"?
nubbins`: artifexd: don't ask us, ask her :D
artifexd: Is she in here?
nubbins`: she's on twitter
artifexd: Ich
nubbins` shrugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18625552 BTC [-]
chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
nubbins`: HEH
benkay: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
benkay: i got up to share no fair
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
fluffypony: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw
assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch
nubbins`: hahaha
chetty: fluffypony, I beat you to it
fluffypony: chetty: I know, I was just trying to be cool like you guys
fluffypony: :-P
benkay: sec confirmed to be criminals, prosecuting people who do it all above board over the outright frauds
nubbins`: "Voorhees agreed to settle the charges by giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000."
chetty: yeah, they are tryihng to look busy I guess, got to earn those bonus
nubbins` gasps at the horror
fluffypony: "giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000"
fluffypony: oh ffs nubbins`
benkay: and in other, slightly related news, the creator of satoshi dice's daughter died in a plane crash
fluffypony: stop beating me to it
chetty: lmao
nubbins`: fluffypony: suid afrika needs fibre internet
fluffypony: lol
nubbins`: your bits are too slow
benkay: and you're running out
fluffypony: benkay: who created satoshi dice's daughter?
fluffypony: confused
fluffypony: oh - you mean the daughter of the satoshi dice creator
fluffypony: ffs my brain
benkay: i labored over the sentence for maximum confuse
mike_c: that must have been a great phone call. "Mr. Voorhees, give us 50 btc and it all goes away". "Uhh, seriously? Ok!"
jurov: bitcoinpete: that's question for havelol, not me, if they do s.mg transfers to mpex at all.
benkay: how did they come to the 15k number?
benkay: ipo raise in fiat?
nubbins`: who the fuck knows?
nubbins`: how did they come to $35k?
nubbins`: definitely took more money than that to get to this point
chetty: yeah it almost reads like a joke
nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction"
nubbins`: maybe dr foreskin is their supervisor?
chetty: sec can't lose money, they just get more of yours
bitcoinpete: jurov: aok
nubbins`: well, not lose in the sense of "we can't find it"
nubbins`: more lose in the sense of "we paid a bunch of shitbags their wages for doing pointless work, and they blew their money on nail painting and chicken bowls"
Mats_cd03: this cathy doesnt get it
nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard
chetty: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2014/33-9592.pdf
chetty: In anticipation of the institution of these proceedings, Respondent has submitted an Offer
chetty: of Settlement (the “Offer”) which the Commission has determined to accept
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635317
assbot: Myth: the Payment Protocol is bad for privacy
fluffypony: reign of fire
fluffypony: "You wasted two years of time to develop this useless feature, while there were so much more important issues to address in the bitcoin software.
fluffypony: And here we are; few years later, the blocks are getting full and the only solution the bitcoin core lead dev has to address it, is still the same: we must increase the block size! "
chetty: At the time of the
chetty: SatoshiDICE
chetty: offerings, the USD value of the total
chetty: bitcoin
chetty: s
chetty: raised was
chetty: approximately
chetty: $
chetty: 7
chetty: 22,659
chetty: .
chetty: In July 2013,
chetty: SatoshiDICE
fluffypony: much flood
chetty: bought back all outstanding SatoshiDICE sha
chetty: res from investors at a price of 0.0035
chetty: bitcoins per share
benkay: oh chetty
chetty: ,
chetty: for a total of 45,500 bitcoins
chetty: .
benkay: lol that comma
chetty: D
chetty: ue to the significant rise in the exchange rate of
chetty: b
chetty: itcoin, the total USD amount paid to investors in the SatoshiDICE buy
chetty: -
chetty: back transaction
chetty: (approximately $3.8 mil
chetty: lion) exceeded the total USD amount raised
chetty: oops sorry
TomServo: What kind of retarded clipboard you runnin' over there?
chetty: darn pdfs, anyway thats the SEC filing on Eric
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/south-african-smart-meters-incorporate-bitcoin-prepaid-electricity/ you win!
assbot: Bitcoin Smart Meters Could Revolutionise How South Africans Pay for Power
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: nobody uses those fancy ones except in like brand new super-wealthy residential estates
fluffypony: we're still on post-paid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00080433 = 3.2012 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: well, i just figured that with all the private jets...
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: I like my electricity post-paid
chetty: paste bin isnt much better but for those non-pdf folks: http://pastebin.com/QDZhnsuh
bitcoinpete: like your womenz
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: exactly
bitcoinpete: and with that, i'm off for now. bbl fo sho
nubbins`: "The shares were listed on an entity known as the Global Bitcoin Stock Exchange (“GLBSE”), which purported to run a Bitcoin stock exchange."
nubbins`: lelel
danielpbarron: <+artifexd> So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"? << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/473860965055078400
assbot: The worst thing is there's actually a case to be made. But this is extraordinarily ignorant. http://t.co/BCWxgWZKLp /ARStrasser /Antiwar2
chetty: The shares of SatoshiDICE were listed on MPEx, a
chetty: purported Bitcoin trading platform based in Romania
mike_c: who purported that?
fluffypony: the SEC couldn't get an official response because they're not in the WoT
nubbins`: [citation needed]
nubbins`: [who?]
nubbins`: etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2177 BTC [+]
chetty: Respondent may pay by certified check, bank cashier’s check, or United States postal
chetty: money order, made payable to the Securities and Exchange Commission and hand
chetty: -
chetty: delivered or mailed
chetty: to:
chetty: payment in USD not bitcoins
nubbins`: "hey guys, all i have is like 60k bitcoins... can i pay with these?"
BCB: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U432_vk7u-0
assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00080681 = 4.9215 BTC [+]
chetty: oh and he isn't allowed to play for 5 years
fluffypony: YOU'RE GROUNDED
nubbins`: "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures."
artifexd: danielpbarron: Thanks, but I just notice that conversation is over 3 months old. Probably a little late to get into it with her.
danielpbarron: artifexd, lol so what? this is twitter
danielpbarron: conversations can take place over any time period, between any number of individuals, and with any number of forks and sub-topics
danielpbarron: it's not stupid facebook where all replies are a big wall of tldr; under the original post
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00012426 = 0.149 BTC [+] {2}
princessnell: danielpbarron she won't respond. she did write an addendum, though: http://bitcoinwoman.com/index.php/bit-woman/stories/126-bitcoin-s-actual-privilege-problems-by-cathy-reisenwitz
assbot: Bitcoins Actual Privilege Problems by Cathy Reisenwitz
princessnell: basically women can't code cause patriarchy and that's bad, mmkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02100011 = 0.21 BTC [-]
benkay: what a cloud war
benkay: my goodness
bitstein: Did she tell that to Ada Lovelace?
benkay: so a use case
nubbins`: i think the gist of that piece is "it behooves us all to get as many people as possible into bitcoin"
benkay: i have clients. they have applications and no employees running the applications. they have their own aws account, and their code gets provisioned onto that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738987 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i'm not fully sure that that's a sound premise
benkay: but we're all derpy americans.
chetty: well women take absolute privilege - to never take responsibility and blame all on being women, or so they think
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1403 @ 0.00016079 = 0.2256 BTC [+] {5}
bitstein: My issue is even if we were to assume that to be true, whining about it on Twitter and on blogs does nothing to solve the problem. If you want to address that, write software that makes Bitcoin easier to use and accessible to more people. If you can't code, learn a language and help translate. Essentially, do anything *but* whine on Twitter and your blog.
pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman
pankkake: you're supposed to have a unique name
pankkake: there is only one bitcoin woman?
pankkake: well there is only one bitcoinpete
TomServo: wasn't there a wife too?
pankkake: other petes are forbidden from bitcoining
TomServo: thebitcoinwife.com
princessnell: nubbins' the gist of that piece is clickbait + feels
bitstein: There is "truebitcoingirl" - https://twitter.com/truebitcoingirl . princessnell is a phony.
assbot: Bitcoin Girl (TrueBitcoinGirl) auf Twitter
chetty: typical tard tho, blog and whine. Doing something takes work ya know
princessnell: pankkake there's a whole cottage industry of bitcoin lady #brands
nubbins`: i still think calling yourself "the bitcoin wife" is incredibly self-deprecating
nubbins`: but that's just me
chetty: and some of us (bitcoin women) are actually doing stuff even
nubbins`: ^
jurov: inb4 bitcoin grandma
danielpbarron: part of my argument comes from my belief in The Bible which clearly says that all women should submit to a man (whether their father or their husband) and they should only do something (like coding, for example) if their man ordered them to do so; it's not a very responsible man that delegates his programming needs to a woman (who is probably better suited for things like child-rearing (although exceptions may apply))
TomServo: blowstampgrandma
jurov: (i can totally see something like that come from SA)
pankkake: I had no idea chetty was a bitcoin woman until a few weeks ago, which is how things should usually be on the internet
pankkake: nobody should know if you're a dog
pankkake: TomServo: lel
princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all.
chetty: well I don't make an issue of it, its not relevant
nubbins`: ^
princessnell: jurov http://bapka.com/grandma-bitcoin/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0001914 = 0.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.02100011 = 0.714 BTC [-]
jurov: yup, polish bapka :)
fluffypony: I always figured this is pankkake - http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/disco-mann-4820691.jpg
pankkake: lol, not at all
fluffypony: :-P
pankkake: I am very boring looking
fluffypony: http://messynessychic.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/screen-shot-2011-04-05-at-04-23-43.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080681 = 5.6073 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i did a portrait of pankkake once
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.06220542 = 5.4119 BTC [-] {20}
nubbins`: forget where it ended up
pankkake: I didn't save it
fluffypony: pankkake: maybe BMF stands for "Backup My Funds" ?
fluffypony: :-P
pankkake: butt my fuck
pankkake: https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ for an actual drawing of me
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
fluffypony: "draw me like one of your French girls" ?
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: "rapper 50 cent accepts btc for new album; refuses to change name"
pankkake: he would have to change his name every week
nubbins`: nah man
nubbins`: think in btc
nubbins`: the usd/cad value fluctuates all the time, but we still call him 50 cent here
pankkake: fifty bits? fithy satoshi?
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 489.0, Best ask: 490.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 489.0, 24 hour volume: 130.59839747, 24 hour low: 455.00021, 24 hour high: 489.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.29561153
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03019968 = 0.1208 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.18334297 = 5.5003 BTC [-] {10}
chetty: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277ohp/quick_statement_on_the_sec_erik_voorhees/
assbot: Quick statement on the SEC - Erik Voorhees : Bitcoin
fluffypony: "Rune_And_You 0 points 4 minutes ago (1|0)
fluffypony: I think it's quite funny that a subreddit will end up becoming the center of the new financial reality. In a couple of years we'll have goldman sachs execs making sure to post all their bitcoin related announcements here. ;)"
pankkake: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02100011 = 0.105 BTC [-]
jurov: wait what, sec officially posted the communique to reddit?
fluffypony: no
fluffypony: Erik did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19505 @ 0.00081801 = 15.9553 BTC [+]
Naphex: soo the sec investigators were named
Naphex: daphna and daphne?
Naphex: nice.
moiety: ya? well, I'm still CrazyBTCCatLady so no one forget that ok?
Naphex: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U44N5qX6irw
assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities
moiety is reading the log btw
moiety: all these bitcoinwumins running around the place
mike_c: i don't know why everyone is so worried about women in bitcoin. the number of foreigners in bitcoin seems like a much bigger problem.
xmj: it does.
xmj: let's hate on all who do not reside in Luna Free Republic.
Mats_cd03: lets skip to the part where bitcoiners use kinetic weapons against the surface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.19842742 = 2.778 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: lets skip to the part where various bitcoiners have their own nukes
benkay: also i have 6 hours of driving today: audiobook suggestions?
Mats_cd03: i like pimsleur if youre trying to listen to foreign language tapes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19856332 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00081801 = 3.3498 BTC [+]
benkay: <jurov> let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers // sign my poor ass up
moiety: jurov: 1. can i skip the personal drive and just have a manul instead? 2. was it me you were looking for earlier?
jurov: moiety yes, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#699435 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
moiety: ah thanks jurov, i'm reading backwards, which hasn't turned out to be the best plan
jurov: and yes, i'm sure someone in russia will exchange nukes for manuls
jurov: or orbital platforms
moiety: totally fine! I'm sure i have a couple spare lying around
Mats_cd03: is there anything you can't buy in russia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 589 @ 0.00046597 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {11}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` i misse you sorry
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: fluffypony: usagi thinks I'm shit talking him here when all I'm doing is stating the obvious
thestringpuller: MPCD out performed NYAN
thestringpuller: MPCD.A wasn't even insured but lost no value
moiety: Mats_cd03: Putin's acceptance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07387999 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {3}
midnightmagic: our discussion centred on how you thought he was using a coinjoin'd transaction (re: "I taint the rich!" bitcointalk thread) to steal peoples' money or use the transaction as a historical proof that he had "access" to it in some form and thereby mislead less enlightened people for the purposes of loans or business shenanigans.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07389 = 0.2217 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.199 = 1.791 BTC [+]
princessnell: http://www.businessinsider.com/vital-named-to-board-2014-5
assbot: VITAL Named To Board - Business Insider
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07389 = 0.7389 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02100011 = 0.126 BTC [-]
bitstein: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/03/mastercoin-maidsafe-crowdsale/
assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1000 @ 0.00030045 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4402 @ 0.00030201 = 1.3294 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: xmj: mircea_popescu maybe revists his ignore list annually...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07389 = 1.2561 BTC [+]
xmj: Ok
BingoBoingo: xmj: I'm also contemplating dedicated hardware for a simple wordpress blog.
xmj: mutual plonking, then..
xmj: BingoBoingo: I'm not saying dedicated is better, or virtualized is better.
xmj: I'm describing my experience with startups, and they do not care one iot about buying hardware if they can just rent/lease
BingoBoingo: xmj: Well, it is a little hard to weld a VPS shut before you drive it to the colo rack.
xmj: why would you drive to the colo rack :p
xmj: get a minion to do that for you.
BingoBoingo: xmj: You drive there yourself so you can see if the place is somewhere you can comfortably park a server.
xmj: yeah, that's what you do the first time..
mike_c: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 185 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 144k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143
mike_c: hey mod6, how come atcbot won't talk to me in query?
BingoBoingo: xmj: How many times do you need to replace well configured setups anyway?
mod6: doesn't do priv chat
xmj: BingoBoingo: why replace when you can add :-)
mike_c: any reason? worried about spam or something?
benkay: http://www.mjfreeway.com/executive-team
assbot: Executive Team | MJ Freeway
xmj: BingoBoingo: seriously. i'm sure it's cheaper to have the server sent to the datacenter and hooked up by a technician
Naphex: is this the whole expensive thinking discussion again?
Naphex: its simple
xmj: no, this is opportunity costs and econ 101.
BingoBoingo: xmj: Why would adding happen at the same data center. "Rats Nest" is a perfectly defensible infrastructure strategy.
Naphex: if you need secure shit, or you want your data secure you don't use VPS
Naphex: period
Naphex: if you're working on any app that doesn't need that, host it wherever you like
Naphex: in ze cloud
BingoBoingo is thinking of Sun workstation case with rail kit, stuffed full of dev boards and ssds for "blog server", plastic stripped off, welded shut.
Naphex: sounds good!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07389913 = 3.695 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Basically, taking the "micro cloud" concept and adding a dash of shop class. Then when it's down to one functioning board and/or disk replacing the unit.
mod6: mike_c: yeah, i think that was the reasoning.
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 40k@205 0k@200 10k@185 | 22k@143 100k@141 250k@140
mod6: mike_c: I'll add that to the list of stuff. I'll let you know.
mike_c: cool. thanks. didn't there used to be a way to get 30day vol?
mod6: not that I remember...
mike_c: Apocalyptic: is 30day vol no longer available? or maybe it never was and i'm dreaming.
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60
Apocalyptic: mike_c, It never was
mike_c: ah, k.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.02999995 = 3 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07398333 = 0.8878 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: fluffypony: http://www.macpages.ru/sites/default/files/img02/macosxsnowleorapd.jpg i think we can all see this is the way forward for mac people?
fluffypony: HAH AHAH AHAHAHA
fluffypony: omg that's brilliant
Apocalyptic: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
moiety: :D i may need a bit of help from asciilifeform buti have a feeling it says "pet the OS, bitch"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07979516 = 1.9949 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00184866 = 0.1571 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Is it just me or did Apple just rip of Xfce for Yosemite?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "you'll notice the gorgeous translucency on this window"
BingoBoingo: Oh, the logs. I'm catching up on. Looks like MP isn't getting extradited over S.DICE after all.
fluffypony: heh heh
mike_c: he didn't even have to kick in for the fine.
BingoBoingo: Erik got burned for using GLBSE, and... that's it
Naphex: https://imgur.com/a/Kj1oD so this is how a good scaled and tought out solution will look like if you planned stuff early
assbot: good scaled hardware - Imgur
Naphex: thats probably enough free space to scale for another 3 years
Naphex: while running nicely very fast and not on stressed hardware
Naphex: it will rape 2 days max of your time and insure you have a stable performant solution
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Let us not forget relaxed hardware lasts longer as well
Naphex: to serve those almighty precious customers
Naphex: the cost of that should be small enough for any decently running bussiness to aford
Naphex: and will have insanely higher reliability /performance then any cloud delivery
Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/YhddPNq.png a look on yearly average. peaks is attack and wall cliffs are optimizations
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today.
diametric: okay so i preordered this xapo.
diametric: someone tell me how terrible it is
BingoBoingo: diametric: Is that the one with the underground bunker?
diametric: The "Vault", yeah.
diametric: I should say I preordered the Xapo debit card wallet product.
Naphex: did they deliver?
diametric: Well, I just "pre-ordered" it now, though I have yet to deposit or pay for anything.
diametric: in fact, I got a whole 5k satoshis free with my account
diametric: i'm rolling in it now
Naphex: 5k satoshis
Naphex: wow
Naphex: those like 2 free timely confirmations?
diametric: yeah!
diametric: I can get myself another 2K satoshis if I allow them these simple permissions to my Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/N6NmeAg.png
Naphex: why do they care about your twitter?
diametric: See the permissions it grants? they can basically spam as me.
diametric: As tempting as 2K SAT is, I'll pass.
Naphex: oh cool, so you don't already spam your friends about bitcoin?
Naphex: lol i gotta cheer up
fluffypony: "I can’t tell if the altcoin people are trying to deliberately scam people or just not thinking ahead to the logical conclusions of these schemes. They’re trying to hit another bubble. They regret not buying Bitcoin when they could have. So they want to replay it. It’s like replaying a childhood trauma to overcome it but you just make it worse." ☟︎
fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote
mike_c: was that from pankkake?
fluffypony: no
fluffypony: Daniel Krawisz
fluffypony: the dude that wrote the "appcoins are fraudulent" article
Naphex: price needs to rise by bubbling up, to match demand though
Naphex: and too make the market available for bigger guys
Naphex: i want 100 mil of awesome bitcoins tomorrow
moiety: https://vine.co/v/M6hOQ9EJlQY
assbot: Dogs on Cinco De Mayo be like (Full version on my Instagram: moemamba) #salsa #cincodemayo
pankkake: well, it's the obvious. altcoiners want to be early adopters
pankkake: and altcoins are easier than time machines
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot los_pantalones
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user los_pantalones: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=los_pantalones | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=los_pantalones | Rated since: Thu Apr 24 17:43:40 2014
moiety: jurov: are you guys really wanting me to call missouri?!
BingoBoingo: moiety: I believe so.
pankkake: who's missouri?
moiety: thought i had best check before doing it and you allbeing like, nooooo!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Just make sure to call from -assets hotline
jurov: moiety why not?
fluffypony: moiety: I loaded funds into Skype so you can call out as well as receive calls
Naphex: you guys want to hear something funny, youtube is probably the best place to advertise to engage bitcoin related / seeking audience ;o
Naphex: i am surprised
moiety: anything specific anyone wants me to say?
thestringpuller: sex weeks
fluffypony: seconded
moiety: lol i can't say that
moiety: ok i'll try and work it in
fluffypony: hah hah
jurov: say you;re interested about mpex stock exchange
jurov: if it's legal, if it should be reported to irs
moiety nods :]
moiety: can i finish with something about manuls?
moiety: kidding!!
jurov: if they start to be chatty, feel free :)
jurov: oh and if they know where else one can invest bitcoins in accord to all regulations and proper
BingoBoingo: moiety: Tell them you are looking forward to football this season and finish with a chant of M-I-Z. They should respond with Z-O-U. If they don't offer that response it is a reportable offense.
BingoBoingo: Also feel free to discuss any mutual dislike you and the corresponding party might share about Kansas (Quantrill should have burned it all).
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591114.msg7093916#msg7093916
assbot: [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield
fluffypony: "Step 1. Build a Community. Step 2: Merchant Acceptance. Step 3: Oh, this is where we hire developers."
pankkake: stabilization fund :|
fluffypony: pankkake: I'll have you know, it was created by a CNBC contributor, so therefore.
mike_c: Altcoin is the best altcoin because the core dev hates altcoins.
fluffypony: SEE the power of the stabilisation fund: https://www.mintpal.com/market/NAUT/BTC
fluffypony: switch to Max zoom
fluffypony: and you can see how perfectly stable it is
punkman: that's a lot of log today
punkman: hello
punkman: mike_c: altcoin has a core dev?
mike_c: yes, but he won't admit to it (pankkake)
pankkake: call it a guy who made commits
pankkake: I'm Bernankoin's core dev though
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/
punkman: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 780964.62 in 803 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 336.68
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3602771
assbot: Bitcoin Securities Issuer Settles with SEC - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, might as well try this again. Got to beat Coindesk et al on this subject.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18305816 BTC [-]
jurov: <Naphex> youtube - sauce?
Naphex: jurov: adwords/analytics for btcxchange.ro
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.18084523 = 5.2445 BTC [-] {15}
jurov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEtsPfQtjW8 from this or some other vid?
assbot: Cumpr Bitcoin prin intermediul btcXchange - YouTube
Naphex: jurov: no, google placement ads
jurov: hm interesting
Naphex: a lot of interest in tutorial videos
Naphex: so easy to engage audience
Naphex: miners will look for miners, etc
Naphex: also it is relativly cheap at 0.14eur/click
los_pantalones: yeah!
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/473928096324665344
assbot: Trying this again, been a while http://t.co/EaicbSjV6f /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
diametric: jurov: http://micropython.org/ re: the conversation yesterday. is only there had been a lisp machine like this
assbot: Micro Python - Python for microcontrollers
jurov: nah, trabant
BingoBoingo: diametric: Why did they just go for a board and not a workstation?
jurov: BingoBoingo: you prolly don't understand the appeal of such tiny machines
jurov: people want to do things on rpi just coz it's cute
BingoBoingo: jurov: Tiny machines exist only to assemble into large machines. Tiny machines are to easy to lose.
BingoBoingo: They get buried under large machines.
jurov: i was like "bitcoind node? onoes, just buy miniitx celeron and reuse old hdd"
jurov: they were like "but i must do it on piiii"
jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups
BingoBoingo: Pi ought to be thing real computers eat.
jurov: that manu of the former never learn about the latter
jurov: *many
jurov: i'm not sure if it is similar on non-IT hobbies (maybe except audiophiles)
BingoBoingo: If Pi wasn't ARM, it might be a decent upgrade for a compact Mac case, but not much else
jurov: Tiny machines are to easy to lose. << your btc wallet is a semitrailer i guess?
BingoBoingo: jurov: One possibility. Other is maybe a controlled form of lost
BingoBoingo: jurov: Also who said anything about wallet being a machine?
jurov: paper wallet shouldn't be easy to lose either
jurov imagines stone megalith wallet
BingoBoingo: Maybe stone, maybe paper, maybe vintage green uranium glass used for consuming whiskey on special occasions...
BingoBoingo: moiety: When your phone call is over http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-problem-with-apple/ has Manul
assbot: The Problem with Apple | Bingo Blog
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304076 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11657191762.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.49105
BingoBoingo: And the last two days "No" on Bastille Day got very dangerous again.
Mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 668.57, Best ask: 670.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 17618.68361236, 24 hour low: 649.61, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 665.876747446
mike_c: big spike in nethash last couple hundred blocks
BingoBoingo: I'm hoping Knc, "board can have problems too" kind of nethash
mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling
mike_c: x.idiff.jun could be at management's discretion.. next diff bump may well be on settlement day.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 667.1, vol: 17537.18824609 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.0, vol: 10303.8218 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.0, vol: 25046.49650475 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 679.9, vol: 43.63450786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 663.895206, vol: 6963.03280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 668.40406, vol: 19.58697317 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 667.772, vol: 112.92914708 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 665.209412526
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19753357 = 0.7901 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19957174 = 1.1974 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00186777 = 0.1121 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/taosecurity/status/473938787106430976
assbot: If DARPA had insurgents fire anti-tank weapons at the autonomous vehicles in their land challenge, it would give them an idea about /hashtag/cyber?src=hash.
BingoBoingo: From ozbot in exile https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdpwmewdyk1r1z9vzo1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0235103 = 0.2351 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0235102 = 0.3291 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02026 = 0.2836 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000211 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.02026 = 2.492 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086158 = 17.2316 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/lifestyle-modified/
assbot: Patient's Modified Lifestyle Kills Doctor | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: ^ The story of -assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00085865 = 17.3018 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: D; they won't answer to meeeee
moiety: but i did realise i'm probably not within their hours now, will try again tomorrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0235102 = 0.2586 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: jurov: the 'pi' would be neat if it actually... worked. (entirely aside from the evil closed blob running at all times.) try, for instance, using ethernet and usb at full throttle on your unit, see what happens.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0205 = 0.2255 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: BingoBoingo!! most epic blog post is epic! I'm reposting!
asciilifeform: jurov: i've a small collection of various cheapo 'arm' boards, just like everyone. the 'pi' collects dust. did recently get openbsd running on another one (beagle?) recently.
Mats_cd03: cool
asciilifeform: still quite useless - they all have ridiculously slow bus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'real' microcontrollers are far more interesting. the proliferation of the cheap arm boards is really because today's hobbyists piss their pants at the thought of learning asm
jurov: i'm using pi just as an illustration that people you may want to get interested in lisp start by getting emotionally hooked onto coding, regardless of what's available being utter crap
asciilifeform: (a 'traditional' micro has a few kb of ram)
jurov: and then continue on the trajectory, never even getting to know there's something better
asciilifeform: jurov: clisp builds on arm. but sbcl doesn't (the latter has no interpreter mode, it has a high quality optimizing - real time - compiler on x86 and a few other archs.)
asciilifeform: lisp on a microcontroller that isn't optimized for high-level languages (a la the greenarrays forth chip) isn't much fun. it's like going back to the mid-80s, when microcomputer owners justifiably scoffed at 'slow' languages
jurov: python isn't either
asciilifeform: the python linked earlier (diametric?) isn't a proper python, where the interpreter is available at run time, but, as i understand, a simple batch-mode compiler.
asciilifeform: (anyone who read the entire manual, please correct me if i am mistaken)
jurov: idk, it boasts "REPL in 2K RAM"
jurov: but this discussion is getting derailed again anyway
asciilifeform: if they actually fit a python in 2kb, that's pretty neat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07966853 = 0.239 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, jurov: stone megalith wallet << if you buy a laser cutter, you can make actual stone wallet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Traditional "bastard" file cuts stone well enough
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that sounds too much like work
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not if you carve in a shorthand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07969954 = 4.9414 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8422 @ 0.0008571 = 7.2185 BTC [-]
punkman is thinking 1BTC coins made of 10kg marble slabs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07979979 = 0.2394 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07979984 = 0.3192 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i don't really get the fixation with 'physical bitcoins.' care to try explaining ?
asciilifeform: it inescapably reminds me of the 1890s autos with reins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not too sure about it either. I like the idea that they mean an intruder would have to scour my junk in addition to the computing and electronic equipment. People who pay for manufactered solutions and their reasoning elludes me. Maybe the husk of a Cascius has some collectible value?
dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation
BingoBoingo: Any thing physical I may or may not do with individual private keys would probably be part of a rats nest strategy to avoid ever being completely robbed.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not unlike the psychology of the folks who buy books on 'how to hide things'
asciilifeform: (which, if read literally, amount to a 'what not to do')
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008571 = 6.7711 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems that way. I dunno why properly concealed physically stored private key could not be a viable option for the post-rectothermal healthcare fund.
mike_c: would not rectothermal analysis provide the location of the stored key?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the typical rectothermal session involves separation from one's worldly goods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00085673 = 4.2837 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No reason physical key of last resort need be within a hundred miles of anywhere you live or frequent
BingoBoingo: if properly concealed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: New risks of loss are introduced, but... The scenario in which it would be useful is different as well.
jurov: http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02109458 = 0.5274 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me like the physical hiding place approach suffers from the same problems as 'brainwallet.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00086456 = 25.4181 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely in terms of "wallet mining"
asciilifeform: a successfully 'mined' brainwallet is... a failed iq test.
BingoBoingo: And then there's also the problem of "place can have problems too"
asciilifeform: if herr torquemada is working on you, your wallet is lost, regardless of what kind (only real countermeasure is cyanide tooth or the like.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tooth must be dangerously fragile though, so one can have a standoff end with a swift movement of the tongue.
asciilifeform: actually, one possible technological countermeasure is: to carry around some gizmo that will transmit a transaction moving your coin to a trusted confederate, when the pin is pulled.
asciilifeform: easier said than done, though.
asciilifeform: (if you actually want to do this: have multiple allies, shamir-split a key, then set 'dead man switch' that broadcasts the magic tx if you fail to reset it for x days, etc)
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even if that isn't what's actually done, that may be the best thing to have people believe is being done.
asciilifeform: [insert standard discussion of the game theory of nuclear war by schelling & friends here.]
moiety: BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao. << it's not mine though, I might start one, i'm seeing more things all the time i'd like to collate together
asciilifeform: i'll point out that it helps to have a clear picture of what your objective will be once you're hanging upside-down in torquemada's workshop.
asciilifeform: is it to persuade him to turn you loose? to transfer your coin to your fellow partizans asap, because you are certain to perish anyway? some other goal?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reasonable option seems to be dead man switch sends the coins to Mugabe
asciilifeform: the 'only winning move,' of course, is 'not to play' - reducing your chances of ending up in that position in the first place, through convincing deterrent (or quick legs!)
jurov: turnig yourself in preventively to the right party
asciilifeform: the fine art of surrender.
asciilifeform: [insert obligatory barb at the french here]
BingoBoingo: You die, coins go to party inquisitor finds despicable. Simply hope the CIA isn't a frenemy of theirs and wants to fund them.
asciilifeform: there's definitely room for a 'dead hand' service/product.
asciilifeform: ;;google dead hand
gribble: Dead Hand (nuclear war) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)>; Dead Hand - Zelda Wiki: <http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Hand>; Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine - Wired: <http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all>
BingoBoingo: There's also the possiblity of multiple inquistors over time.
BingoBoingo: With varying aims.
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punkman: asciilifeform: you mean like this? http://www.deadmansswitch.net/
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asciilifeform automatically recalls an ancient sf story about a very unlucky immortal fellow, who goes from dungeon to dungeon, ending up at torquemada's, the gestapo, on and on...
jurov: BingoBoingo you're preparing for the PARC or whatever colombia revolutionary movement encounter?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Not impossible that I am.
BingoBoingo should probably practice running
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jurov: i'm not sure they'll understand fine points of such complicated strategy as "i die, money goes to cia"
jurov: "okay, we'll use your corpse to extort cia"
asciilifeform: think of how funny it'd be, setting up elaborate dead man switch, then captured by a fellow who just wants to sell your organs.
jurov: or slipping up home in the bathroom
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think at that point you have to play the Hannibal card and try purchasing organs yourself.
BingoBoingo: I'm also rather sure my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar
asciilifeform: deterrence weapon naturally doesn't make you immortal - the best possible use of it is to cool the enthusiasm of folks who'd like to hasten the inevitable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There was this Simpsons episode back in the day where it was revealed the elderly hero had the gift of immortality to the sheer number of terminal diseases he had forming a sort of homeostasis sustaining him.
asciilifeform: my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar << the 'i own just the shirt on my back' defense worked pretty well historically. if the enemy finds it convincing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll have to manage to keep a thick stench of cigarettes and booze sweat through the Darien.
asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal ☟︎
asciilifeform: as described in an old book, 'how to collect illegal debts' (actual title)
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moiety: asciilifeform: there's more music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAP0h9Yl_hc // also, I have been playing with the microwriter emulator :D
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BingoBoingo: I'd suck if they sent me back to 'Murica full of cocaine baloons
moiety: here, booze sweat is just a beer jacket: keeps you warm but it's not warm enough to sweat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the textbook 'rectothermal cryptoanalysis' of '90s russia, the purpose of the soldering iron was typically to help the 'patient'... 'remember' not only the locations of hidden goodies, but also places where he might yet be able to borrow/steal.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Assuming they don't want library books... Probably going to get drafted as a drug mule.
asciilifeform: i'd assume that a 'mule' gets an (unarmed) 'helper,' who ensures that he can't cough up the payload ahead of schedule.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume so as well. Probably also a reception party.
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