assbot: Issue 7241 - go - /openpgp/armor: armored output differs from gpg or sks armored output - The Go Programming Language - Google Project Hosting ... (
http://bit.ly/1GvmVpz )
BingoBoingo: Oh great the Storm/AirRaid sirens are firing
BingoBoingo: And I'm going to be disappoint again that it is just a storm and not a Raid
BingoBoingo going to smoke outside and watch this bitch roll in
decimation: asciilifeform: " It's certainly possible that some APT has developed the capability to generate keys with colliding 8-byte key IDs on demand.
decimation: only those named 'bob' may pass. what is your name? 'bob'
decimation: BingoBoingo: looks like a big storm rolling down the mississippi
BingoBoingo: decimation: Indeed, first raindrops fell. Not much yet other than a constant rumbling of distant thunder and occasional flashes of closer lighning.
BingoBoingo: Interesting textures on the cloud bottoms though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00039588 = 19.6356 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: mammatus clouds are associated with strong storms
BingoBoingo: Eh, strong storms still a disappointment compared to any air raid at all
decimation: cazalla: but is it true? do australians shit-post?
decimation: also I think the english are bigger drunkards generally
cazalla: decimation, it's just a racist stereotype afaik
cazalla: i think we're #1 for drugs
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decimation: I guess that's like 2 L of 4% beer per month
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williamdunne: Holy shit that is really 10L of pure alcohol..
decimation: that means alot of people drink nothing and some are drunks
cazalla: but who has a beer? if ya drinking beer, ya into at least 3 longnecks or a slab mate
williamdunne: Although obviously the outliers will be very un-sane
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punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57122 @ 0.0004112 = 23.4886 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: in the meantime, we have to dodge monkey projectiles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57851 @ 0.00041829 = 24.1985 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: bunch of them solved by existing snips
assbot: VP candidate in Argentina (a Harvard econ PhD) appears to promise cryptocurrency as Argentina's money if elected : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1KeAluK )
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BingoBoingo: Oh, look at the pussy storm. All it did was knock out mains power. Didn't even put a branch through the roof like a real storm.
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decimation: asciilifeform: the 'alert' thing is hilarious
decimation: do we know when gavin's key was added?
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punkman: I was just thinking about that
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punkman: I'd definitely want better debug/test instrumentation before such experiments
punkman: "US Naval Research Laboratory" huh
punkman: didn't those guys fund Tor as well?
decimation: asciilifeform: amusing, they just run all the instances one at a time
decimation: navy research lab is a usg funding-hole
decimation: on the surface, it would seem logical to run 6000 threads in parallel
decimation: but that would be a nightmare of c-machine trickery
punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
☟︎ decimation: probably would be more effective to use usg's cash to buy 6000 pogos
decimation: probably cheaper than a week of contractor salary
assbot: Heizer Defense Pocket AR Break Action Single Shot Pistol .223 Remington 3.87" Barrel One Round Capacity Stainless Steel Barrel/Frame Matte Black Finish PAR1BLK ... (
http://bit.ly/1e7duoK )
DanyAlos: Just visiting to see what are you guys talking about.
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DanyAlos: Last time I was around talking about Blocksize limit. I really had fun.
BingoBoingo: Well feel free to stop by. Are you registered with assbot to self voice when you get the itch?
DanyAlos: I am registered with assbot but I am not sure if I can voice myself.
BingoBoingo: !rate DanyAlos 1 new blood for the blood god
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.DanyAlos.1:b64cd11f26b5f77e3811b5519bd939ab913ea47b0465d52cd303c5ccacd79891
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for DanyAlos with note: new blood for the blood god
punkman: I read the coinscope paper, not bad. even has some pseudocode at the end.
DanyAlos: BingoBoingo, Thank you. I will be back tomorrow. It is late here. Got to go.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I guess??? For self I'd want something with a little more diameter...
mats: will put in the enemy's eye
☟︎ BingoBoingo: I honestly can't imagine a use for that thing
BingoBoingo: But the .223 abomination thing isn't even competitionable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's deinitely on my want list
mats: i have yet to perfect my hip firing technique
BingoBoingo doesn't know many honest people not disappointed with degree
BingoBoingo: Probably depends on what comes out of barrel. .22 rimfire prolly needs a longer barrel than .50 BMG
cazalla: it's a ladies gun isn't it? sorta like a derringer
BingoBoingo: For last bullet one needs barrel that goes back of the mouth and then up to destroy brainstem. Wider buller likely more forgiving. perhaps .12 gauge deer slug from metal "flare" gun would be ideal if "guide rod" was attached to contact right part of the soft palate
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That break action .223 pistol isn't even a ladies gun. Lacks the aesthetics for that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: captive bolt is for the bunker to pass around after the last selfish prick takes own goal
BingoBoingo: mats: What really is the appeal of "hip firing"? is that for target too close for bayonet?
mats: putting more rounds downrange than other skilled shooter
mats: i would prefer a knife for close in work
cazalla: you guys and your illegal weapons.. call the police if ya meet with trouble
BingoBoingo: cazalla: On the contrary. Not illegal at all here.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, illegal in my country therefore illegal in yours (works for US so why not aus?)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: .50 BMG anti dump truck rifle perfectly fine sport weapon
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Because your most dangerous native fauna is the roos
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed << In this area they don't hose. Property owner must contract "crime scene cleaner"
cazalla: as much hassle as it is shelling and deveining prawns, this tom yum goong is preddy gud
BingoBoingo: Medical services of course though always take the largest portion of the cadaver and bill for their attempts at resurrection
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BingoBoingo: MCM pistol, self winding watch, and naptha box lighter seems like a solid trio of possessions for profiling potential Bitcoin holders
mats: i admit that 'hip firing' is a mistake for most people
mats: and in the general case i would prefer a balanced knife over a handgun
BingoBoingo: Well it is a dilemma. At range you want a rifle, and otherwise you jsut don't want to get boned
mats: bring a battle buddy (tm)
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mircea_popescu: "The Black Guerilla Family was running at least one Maryland Corrections facility, and even had military operatives in Afghanistan bringing home dope. Terrence White, the incarcerated Commander of the gang, impregnated four corrections officers!"
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assbot: » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... (
http://bit.ly/1e7lqX0 )
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 01:05:52; punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you tell them apart ? most are very sloppy too
mircea_popescu: folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo.
mircea_popescu: because they're white, and really that's all there is.
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:17:58; punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
mircea_popescu: also in the same news dollop, "wot allows mapping the entire visible relationship map". derp.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
☟︎ mircea_popescu: always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:53:05; mats: will put in the enemy's eye
BingoBoingo: Or make the politicians shit the paperwork, what evs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking. << And to be fair Roof kid got a State Senator
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mats: punkman: reads like a scam
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 05:17:33; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
cazalla: church wouldn't be my choice but he might've known it would cause outrage on account of church being somewhat sacrosanct
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time
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mircea_popescu: "As a man, my arsenal is heavier in my room. In my bed is a bowie knife, on the night stand a dagger, by the dresser a late medieval arming sword, at my desk a pair of butterfly swords, by my foot locker a Viking sword and a jobolo wood baton, and by the door to my room a hickory walking stick, a razor sharp daito [ninja sword] and a 14 inch meat hook. I want to emerge from my room with a weapon in each hand, as such a
mircea_popescu: scenario would be triggered by an audible break in or an attack on my housemates—and, for that apocalyptic event, I have my bow and arrows."
mircea_popescu: this guy is going to die accidentally when his bedroom falls on him
BingoBoingo: It sounds like there is a non-zero chance of that.
cazalla: such fancy weapons but i'd rather dual machete with 50% crit bonus on offhand
cazalla: well, Australian has +2 to machete so it is an obvious choice
BingoBoingo partial to stiff dagger with pointed narrow blade, preferably unseen until removed from ribs
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, no rambo knife? (knife from part 2)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Too wide and flat. Dagger is minimal skill tool.
BingoBoingo: Something like a Rambo knife requires awareness of angles and orientation
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punkman: "Terminator was really sent back by John Connor because he could not longer stand reading the code he wrote when he was younger"
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punkman: mats, what reads like a scam?
mats: 01:05:06 <@assbot> » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops
punkman: everything on infowars reads like a scam indeed
mats: i would expect these organizations to have been in the game long enough to know to avoid inviting federal bureaucrats to join in the fun
mats: reads like cops scamming feds for grant money.
mircea_popescu: nah, feds would never give money, they'd just move in.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, it's dubious whether feds can actually afford going to battle with a well organised us based clan.
mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16738 @ 0.00038844 = 6.5017 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: And the alf creation now has the ears of 66 moduli for its necklace
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thaty's not a bad flag at all. whose is it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Saw it in the reddit tardmines trying to mine lulz. Creator yet unidentified. Apparently reddit OP jacked it from elsewhere to be identified
cazalla: 386 lbs holy fuck that water retention
cazalla: "identify as aloe vera" ok nice troll
BingoBoingo: Because camel humps are fat. The wikipedoium can tell redditors that.
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BingoBoingo: But they don't want to be oily butterblobs, they want to be innocent ballons
BingoBoingo: Water weight makes it seem like the doctor's fault for not giving them enough HCTZ and Lasix to piss out their planthood.
cazalla: that site is really relegated to archive.org ?
HeySteve: not sure why he needs the mantrap in the 1st place... but using cellphone in the bedroom is very bad form
cazalla: HeySteve, how many bitcoin would it take for you to fuck her? 1? 10? 100? 1000?
HeySteve: it looks like she's made of cancer
HeySteve: don't think I could, without a blindfold and a crate of viagra
cazalla: 10k btc but you gotta lick the pussy
HeySteve: the creature's human-suit is melting
BingoBoingo: It looks like a Staph infection literally tore through its Fupa.
HeySteve: cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy
cazalla: i still don't grasp how anyone gets that big, really hope it is genetics as they claim
cazalla: must be some black hole type food that is just super dense with calories
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy << I'd be more concerned with other medical followup. I looks like it still has active cullulitis infection on its skin after surgical intervention to remove areas of active necrosis.
HeySteve: high fructose corn syrup is the culprit, so I've heard
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, don't know what cullulitis infection and afraid to search it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dja mean cellulitis ? << Yeah
HeySteve: but flesh-eating bacteria might be a solution instead of a problem here
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BingoBoingo: At this point I'm conviced the only reason the fat hate movement is being suppressed is because USG has officially adopted Obesity as a social control mechanism.
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cazalla: poor elaine shi cannot even redeem herself with a fuck with such an ugly gook face
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jurov: Kusturica believes, “RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans.”
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shinohai: ^ that pic should be used in a bitcoind release
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PeterL: Anybody seen the movie "Horrible bosses 2"? It made me smile when it referenced bitcoin.
decimation: asciilifeform: I've noted an extremely pervasive "any cryptocoin but bitcoin" bias in academia, think tanks, and gov't
decimation: in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too"
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decimation: "She is also an advisor to Ripple, one of the most popular cryptocurrencies (currently second to Bitcoin in total cap). "
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, if they invited someone who actually knew about bitcoin
decimation: the conference would have been about telling uncomfortable truths
decimation: like, why are none of you actually reading the bitcoin code
decimation: that doesn't mean they know anything about bitcoin
decimation: but I would agree that they know from which master they get their pay
pete_dushenski: thought that, if anything, code needed moar feechures.
decimation: I could imagine a virtuous bitcoin conference
decimation: imagine dijsktra giving a talk on the various ways in which bitcoin code is horrifying
decimation: It's depressing that these people are 'paid to think' and are engaging with bitcoin at the level of the average new york times commenter
assbot: You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory....
mircea_popescu: "o, parents should tell their kids all about how a) they're smarter than kant and b) really, it was god not this evolution bs,"
mircea_popescu: his reptilian majesty is still lying about its involvement in that particular scam.
mircea_popescu: the line they crossed is that they exposed their master, and yeah they're fucked.
pete_dushenski: "and c) we've progressed so far since then, my little dearest, these words on this page from this kant feller are barely worth the paper they're written on other than for being so adorably archaic"
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mircea_popescu: you're saying this as if their 0.5.4 has any bearing on anything.
mircea_popescu: looky, there's very little point in constantly rehashing this particular form of learned helplessness thing you got going. i don't work that way, i never worked that way, it doesn't in any sense work. it can be a quaint curiosity if you wish, a peculiarity of a peculiar gentleman if oyu must. it can never be more than that and it can never have any impact or meaning in the world.
mircea_popescu: one wallace loh is going to be confronted with the particularly unpleasant dilemma of either saying "yeah mp was right, they were usg all along" or else fucking up an assistant.
mircea_popescu: he fucks up assistant profs for breakfast, it's his job.
mircea_popescu: and the rest of the "rogue gallery" will be confronted with the unpleasant dilemma that they're in the trenches, and either continue or get shot or else withdraw and get shot.
mircea_popescu: more imporantly : every bureaucrat, no matter how low ranking, has an identical bureaucrat clone ready to take over, revving in a corner.
mircea_popescu: this is a fact. it's to be used, to hurt THE PEOPLE involved.
mircea_popescu: for all their pretense, they're people. they cry, they hurt, they get hungry and desperate.
mircea_popescu: this is why "no committee". get the names, ruin their lives, let them be replaced.
mircea_popescu: we're not at war with the united states government. we're at war with the people making it up. governments don't exist, people do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, rarely has there been a more effectual bureaucrat than yezhov
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mod6: i generated some quick doxygen stuff... lemme put it up somewhere quick so you can look and see if it's ok.
mircea_popescu: it should be spilled milk. why should they be able to "change" ?
mod6: all the way up through the IRC demolition?
mircea_popescu: in other news, it looks like (fingers crossed) might have seed up today.
mod6: asciilifeform: lemme see what i can do.
mod6: do you want me to add in the { Gentoo Sanity } patches as well?
mod6: well they work in the context that these files compile without /those/ specific problems (i.e. namespace problems with boost), but we still have the gcc/uclibc issue.
mircea_popescu: poor guy, my heart goes out. "does this work ? " "well it works in the sense it takes the shit out of the soup. puss is sitll there."
mod6: just compiled it like 20 minutes ago again with my newest gentoo, still barfs.
mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
mod6: naw, haven't tried yet.
mod6: i'll see if i can get to that here sometime today.
mircea_popescu: mod6 granted i'm rusty, but why are you making a shared object ?
mod6: i think that's referring to uclibc which is an .so perhaps
mircea_popescu: have you ever tried putting the actual uclibc source in there and trying a full bore static ?
mod6: /lib/libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
mircea_popescu: my mind boggles that indeed source there present the compile should fail. i mean... copy / paste it in your own project for chryssakes, if ti comes to it, wtf is this.
mod6: yeah, im not really sure.
mod6: im getting to the point of 'out of my depth'
mod6: i've tried like 3 different versions of gcc, with and without my special gcc patch shoehorned in, 2 different versions of uclibc. not quite sure what to think yet.
mod6: im sure i'll get it figured out.
pete_dushenski: mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ?
pete_dushenski: i was working from 0.0.5 yesterday on debian 7 and all was going well until i had to edit/add 'auth.sh'
pete_dushenski: which is entirely my own thing to figure out, the instructions are clear
pete_dushenski: mod6: just wondering if new 'guide' is available or forthcoming
pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ?
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mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ? << nope. that version should cover everything up through the v0.5.3.1 release.
mod6: But, it's probably just easier to download the tarball yourself and extract.
mod6: Now, for all the patches that have been submitted post-release, you need to apply those patches directly from the mailing list. No guide as of yet.
mod6: There will be an update at somepoint once patches are ratified and a new milestone rolled.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4 << We're not there yet.
mod6: But anyone is welcome to patch on their own.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ? << yeah, worth a shot.
mod6: asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
mod6: anyway, will check back into that in a bit... maybe i did something weird. but i'm pretty sure it was the correct order.
mod6: while trying to figure out how to set "BUILD_SHARED_LIBS=false" or something, i ran into this; www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2006-October/011418.html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ?
mircea_popescu: seems to have been a "for free" acquisition, "just pay us our salaries"
mircea_popescu: nfi what "hyperledger" even is or was supposed to be, looks like pure accounting fraud but what do i know
mircea_popescu: some derpy start-up thing. cointerra scammers "acquired", except not really.
ben_vulpes: hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.
mircea_popescu: imagine, principals misrepresenting themselves as "CEO"s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00038959 = 24.1546 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month
ben_vulpes: and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me
mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so basically they invented this system where they whore the kids out for free during the one time in their life when they're actually peak shape, for which reason ncaa made 1bn in ad revenue in 2012 to the professional league's 500mn.
mircea_popescu: and since all this extra money exists, it gotta go somewhere, adn well... why not the coach ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what's -fPic anyway << position independant coe: Generated machine code is not dependant on located at a specific memory address to work. for example in the asm a jump can be to relitive address [ jne CURRENT+10 ] as opposed to say [ jne 0xDEADBEEF ]
mod6: so a shared lib would be able to modfiy/change the addresses as needed to where the lib is loaded into memory.
mod6: ( for the example [ jne CURRENT+10 ] ), and for the non -fPIC code, the compiler will set these to specific memory addresses.
mod6: i.e. ( [ jne 0xdeadbeef ]
mircea_popescu: well, i'm out of my depth as you say, but it seems to me that importing the whole code into your own project and compiling it statically instead of creating shared libraries is the bedrock solution.
mod6: To be clear, shared libs /should/ be using -fPIC. If I understand this correctly.
mod6: Ah... ok, i think I'm coming to some understanding here. I guess I didn't get that you were saying to compile uclibc /statically/ under our own project just the same as we have say, openssl or boost or bdb?
mod6: yeah, certainly could be something to this.
mod6: I wouldn't have thought that we'd have to include a statically built linker...
mircea_popescu: in any other case this would be a bulbously ugly hack, but here, it actually changes nothing
mircea_popescu: seeing how the pogo will have to run nothing else anyway
mod6: You'd think a linker should be able to produce a statically linked binary, weather itself is dynamcially built or statically built.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, bitcoin on pogo seems destined to end up melded in the kernel anyway, so this is just a sooner/higher up the tree merge than we expected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041313 = 8.056 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 06:26:20; mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
jurov: i don't see any point for merging bitcoind to the kernel
jurov: and why you try so hard to have it statically linked?
mircea_popescu: the "kernel" only makes sense as a concept if multiple things are being run. if you can fully specify all the code that will run on the machine, that set of all the code IS the kernel.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly the problem with system-d, in other words.
shinohai needs to learn gentoo or something.
decimation: "So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about mar- riage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today?s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."
mircea_popescu: the one time they stole people's money in the 30s, there was some guy dissenting on the supreme court.
mircea_popescu: tons of people showed over the years before that same court "your honor i'm terribly sorry i stole and i am not going to do one damned thing about it".
decimation: "This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected commit- tee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extrav- agant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most im- portant liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves."
decimation: if he was consistent, he would be leading the next revolution I guess
decimation: "With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them?with each decision that is unabash- edly based not on law, but on the ?reasoned judgment? of a bare majority of this Court?we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence."
decimation: apparently he's reminded of his impotence
mircea_popescu: the us supreme court, along with the entire institutionalised hypocrisy system it represents, has no particular relevancy to the settlement of any point. it'd be about the same to ask them as to ask perez hilton.
decimation: well, that point became clear with the obamacare decision yesterday
mircea_popescu: should probably stick to discerning which fashions are fashionable and which are not, change the verbiage to "that's hot!" etc.
decimation: actually I think it would be interesting if a state said 'fuck you, we ain't havin gay marriage'
mircea_popescu: it's what it comes down to. "we do not recognise the supreme court"
decimation: this whole thing reminds me of the bicker in the parlements before the french revolution
decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
☟︎ decimation: but if that's true, what kind of 'legitimacy' would this be?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the man would say, and i haven't asked him because i don't give a flying fuck what he thinks
decimation: unfortunately, there are millions of people in the us who adopt these fashions as law
mircea_popescu: "(2) The history of marriage is one of both continuity and change.
chetty: the ripple effect will be interesting
decimation: ironically scalia himself is reduced to mocking the text too
decimation: "Rights, we are told, can ?rise . . . from a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives define a liberty that remains urgent in our own era.?24 (Huh? How can a better informed under- standing of how constitutional imperatives [whatever that means] define [whatever that means] an urgent liberty [never mind], give birth to a right?) "
mircea_popescu: why does all this crap read exactly alike, like the same uncultured louts wrote it all ? from reddit to gavin's "opinions" to the scotus majority opinion, all written by the same thirty year old hands that never read anything but summaries of summaries and never did anything whatsoever at all ?
mircea_popescu: you can tell what sort of people you're dealing with by the sort of rhetorics they favour. and this sort is pretty sad altogether.
decimation: and the peak of 'libertarian' achievement is to place someone like scalia on the court to old-man rant about what's going wrong
mircea_popescu: he was appointed by reagan if memory serves, and i don't see reagan would think much of your "libertarian achievement"
decimation: of course, roberts was placed on the court after everyone shouted down bush's idea to place his personal lawyer on the court
decimation: she probably would have made better decisions, not giving much of a fuck about gov't interest
chetty: roberts is one of regans biggest failures
chetty: oh guess history is starting to run together ... sigh
chetty: being on the court surely seems to poison a lot
decimation: I'm sure they get big important visitors every day telling them about the serious consequences of their decisions
decimation: I'm not sure how one would retain contact with reality
chetty: and maybe a little nsa arm twisting
decimation: actually scalia threatened the nsa along those lines
decimation: "Despite his intellectual interest in the application of the Fourth Amendment to the conduct of the NSA, he considers it ?stupid? to assume that the Supreme Court will have the last word on whether contemporary surveillance practices are appropriate. Why? Because the judicial branch is the ?least competent? arm of government to evaluate the effectiveness and need for intrusive electronic spying. ?The Supreme Court doesn?t know diddly,
mats: hm, terror incidents on three continents
decimation: people drive cars into buildings all the time
mircea_popescu: <decimation> in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too" << more like pure tim swansonism, "why should i have to do what i'm told", but anyways.
mircea_popescu: " She said she is staying about a mile from the main attack scene, but visitors there still took precautions by putting mattresses up against the door to slow any gunmen who might try to barge in."
mircea_popescu: lulzy, the maggots taking measures against the woodpeckers that might be coming in
mircea_popescu: must be a pretty fun, exciting and fun vacation for the jwz's in question.
mircea_popescu: The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the “Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!”
mircea_popescu: "'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns" << they are pretty good at the propaganda angle.
mod6: not sure if you caught this:
mod6: our make file has -lpthread in there.
mod6: mircea_popescu suggested that we should build uclibc statically itself inside of our bitcoin bundle.
ascii_field: mod6: thing is, at least for pogo, ~whole shebang~ is to be built 'inside bundle'
mod6: so gcc as well then.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:22:38; pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
mod6: ascii_field: ok, i guess i didn't get that part about gcc/uclibc being in there with openssl/boost/bdb.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:53:21; mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
mircea_popescu: well im not from around there. lulz of all time, rich coaches.
ascii_field: (it is also widely known that the sport program at virtually all american universities is cash-negative)
ascii_field: but this function has been outsourced to them, much like writing code for nsa has been
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it works the same way the english literature department works, just with five extra zeroes on both sides of the balance sheet
mod6: ascii_field: oh, i did have an issue patching in that last IRC demo patch.... im gonna try it again, but it complained about net.cpp:ThreadGetMyExternalIP
mod6: (11:31) <+mod6> asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
ascii_field: dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar
mod6: ok, i'll give that a shot here quick.
ascii_field: the two i omitted are small and simple to merge back in when wanted.
ascii_field: they are only needed for the static build system and so i left them out deliberately
ascii_field: thinking that mod6 will roll them up into a 'static fix' patch
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ? << NO idea about any of these parts yet
mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << ok, yup, was able to extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and apply these four patches without incident.
mod6: do you want me to post the doxy for that as well then?
ascii_field: what i suggested was to have two dox pages, one for 'proper release' and one for this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00039801 = 33.3532 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar }: Main Page ... (
http://bit.ly/1GxIPbR )
mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << oh, well you didn' say it in here ;)
mod6: i'll take it down, and add the irc patch
shinohai: I still haven't done the irc patch. I need to stop being lazy
ascii_field: shinohai: when you apply that patch, please be sure to read the instructions
ascii_field: (bitcoind will need to be told your box's ip)
shinohai: No problem, I don't want to break my sweet node xD
trinque: ascii_field: mod6: would there be any benefit to trying to get an ARM version of this gentoo install going on the pogo?
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 16:30:52; decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
trinque: I'm going to fiddle with my pogo this weekend anyway.
mod6: weird, same problem: dpaste.com/05ZZ443.txt
mod6: dpaste.com/0HMWFYN.txt
mircea_popescu: does curl actually ignore the -tsl flag or does the server go bonkos over ssl3 even being available at all or what the fuck is this
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:03:57; mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
mircea_popescu: seems that's a different error and no solution was proffered
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 23:40:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"
trinque: pogo project deferred or what?
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 22:20:53; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com” doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com” << when fetching fresh sks from dulap
ascii_field: trinque: it can't fly until static build with uclibc
ascii_field: mod6: please post the net.cpp immediately prior to the failed patch
ascii_field: trinque: the fundamental problem with gentoo on pogo is that pogo is absolute misery to build ~anything~ on
trinque: I've got crossdev set up on the lappy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00038779 = 20.3978 BTC [-]
decimation: re: football < it's also the case that professional us football uses the college teams as a 'farm system' for talent development, at taxpayer expense
ascii_field: (which is sorta like gentoo but minus all of the 'daily use' building-new-progs-on-the-box scriptage (i.e. 'emerge')
trinque: got it; I'll get more acquainted with that tool this weekend then.
ascii_field: decimation: it's a farm for just about any kind of talent
decimation: trinque: why not try to use the newest gcc to see if that bug is fixed?
decimation: ascii_field: but pro baseball has its own junior farm team system, don't need college
decimation: if you guys need to build gcc as part of the whole package, why does it matter what debian uses
trinque: decimation: so build the latest set of patches using whatever latest gcc?
decimation: it's possible the newest gcc fixes that one issue
decimation: also you need to be careful with the c++ related linking shit
decimation: the newest gcc might come with a newer version of the std c++ libs
decimation: you probably need to force it to work with C++ 03
decimation: since it is fashionable to change c++ every few years
mircea_popescu: the things the us will be remembered for are going to be so insulting to the historical usians...
mircea_popescu: almost like the things soviet russia is remembered for
ascii_field: 3rd reich 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to the things 4th reich will be remembered for
ascii_field: (after all, 3rd 'died young and left a decent-looking corpse' - at least will be seen to have, in contrast!)
ascii_field: for starters, 3rd never managed (or even attempted) the feat of turning ~an entire planet~ into its toilet
ascii_field: 3rd ran medical experiments on a few thousand prisoners, 4th - on 300+ million schmucks
ascii_field: the total confiscation thing pretty clearly wants to lay a foundation for 'condemned to cokemachine'
mod6: oh i think i know what i missed.
ascii_field: '...pursuant to rule 32.2(b)(3) of the federal rules of criminal procedure, the united states is hereby authorized to seize the forfeitable assets and maintain them in its secure custody and control.'
ascii_field: the 'not-a-real-journalist-so-forced-to-reveal-sources' case ('iphone 4' case, iirc) pretty much established precedent that 'inquest isn't punishment' iirc
ascii_field: and torture is more or less legal by usg's own rules if you are proclaimed 'terrorist'
decimation: ascii_field: well so this is criminal forfeiture right?
assbot: Why the 'devious defecator' case is a landmark for US genetic-privacy law : Nature News & Comment ... (
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ascii_field: decimation: aha. what i was getting at is that there will be, in the near future, a very entertaining verdict somewhere,
ascii_field: where 'if he locked it in a safe, u.s. marshals may break the safe. if he locked it in his brain, same'
decimation: ascii_field: note that this is another amusing joke on the magna carta, in its 800th year
ascii_field: 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke
trinque: ascii_field: yep, will involve some kind of "cyber terrorism" scenario maybe
decimation: (20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputa
ascii_field: trinque: not only this, but i also predict specifically that an automated (i.e. robotic, as in 'coke machine') system of interrogation and 'incentivization' will be specifically permitted by u.s. law
decimation: peices are already there with road tickets
ascii_field: for simple questions like 'enter brainwallet pw' this requires no heroic tech
decimation: ascii_field: the move 'elysium' featured this
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 17:28:42; ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
ascii_field: decimation: i must admit, never saw that film
decimation: matt daemon was grabbed, shook down by police robot
trinque: the thing which sways my expectations away from such things is the seeming inevitability of a financial collapse
ascii_field: collapse only changes ~who~ will be placing ~whom~ in the machine
decimation: yeah. Steve Sailer thinks that Neill Blomkamp is pushing 'reactionary' plots into his movies, but dressing them up in such a way as to make them palatable to liber-tards
ascii_field: or whether folks will grunt their last in it
trinque: presupposes that the guy put into the machine is using something like bitcoin, doesn't it?
decimation: the plot of the movie is that the us turns into shitty third world, and 'actual people' escape to space stations. the plot has some silly shit about helping out the little people, but I think Blomkamp's real point is "start building the space station today"
ascii_field: trinque: the gedankenexperiment specifically concerns bitcoin or any similar mechanism where answer from the 'patient' is instantly verifiable by machine
trinque: if the proportion of people using bitcoin stays small, I'd more expect holders to find themselves attacked in their own homes at night
ascii_field: decimation: again i have not seen this film, but it appears to have the usual nonsensical proviso that the 'space station' is a physical place which the plebes might hope to overrun and devour
ascii_field: in actual fact, the space station is right here on earth. mircea_popescu, for instance, lives in it
trinque will always fantasize about heading a couple million miles any which way
decimation: ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al will some day confront someone else who lays claim to their property in some way
decimation: it will be interesting to see the result
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
ascii_field: eventually major btc holders will operate in ways similar to the character 'raven' from neal stephenson's 'snow crash'
ascii_field: who went around in a motorcycle with a sidecar containing hbomb
trinque: ascii_field: I see the point; if a fighter jet is not just itself but the entire apparatus which sustains its operation, all the more a space ship/station
ascii_field: (if you're within 10km of his death, you're vapour)
ascii_field: at the low end of things, we can at the very least expect an uptick in popularity of sleeping with a frag grenade under your pillow.
ascii_field: the only solution to this kind of problem is game-theoretical
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:52:34; mircea_popescu: oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't recall you writing about confrontations with the local authorities over the amount of property owed to them?
mircea_popescu: there's for instance an open confrontation wit hthe state of new york over who regulates bitcoin
mircea_popescu: that's now trying shamelessly to make ends meet by selling "compliance services"
ascii_field: is that fella 'making ends meet' or laughing himself to death while stoking his furnace with piles of benjies and coke ?
mircea_popescu: if i'm to ask you, the bug i crushed this moirning is laughing all the way to the toilet, too.
mircea_popescu: and that "hey, i don't see any dent in the bug population"
mircea_popescu: but the question was as to any. there's multiple examples of any-es.
ascii_field: well idk, but is lawsky living in a sewage pipe? or a house 50x the size of my hovel, with 'sleep ad libitum' ?
ascii_field: this question at least hypothetically has an answer ?
decimation: my point was the local state, the one who could most ably summon an army to throw in jail
decimation: I'm sure someone in buenos aires is sitting in jail
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke << the only limit on government is terrorism. the us has it spelled out in the constitution, "since the only limit to government is a well armed, well organized group of domestic terrorists, people should bear arms"
ascii_field recalls the b-a jail from voyage. it was a very old-fashioned, respectable-looking thing, at least by soviet standards. i'd not be ashamed to sit in it.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the fat have neglected it doesn't change it. you can similarly neglect to change the oil in your car, this doesn't make the car oil changes "a thing of the past"
ascii_field: ^ sound bite known to probably everyone who speaks engl.
mircea_popescu: decimation on the jail it is spelled out "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
ascii_field: though iirc this was a graffiti by the reds ?
mircea_popescu: this is a country whose president had a prosecutor assasinated earlier this year.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 4000 @ 0.00111 = 4.44 BTC
decimation: amusingly, it seems usians take government far more seriously
decimation: while simultaneously complaining of its overreach
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or whether folks will grunt their last in it << i am broadly unconvinced by your theory. there aren't equal sides confronting each other here. i, for one, could not care less for any secrets usg-tard thinks he has.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what i meant was that i predict btc extraction to become a standard part of execution
mircea_popescu: decimation the only reason the usg is its in present shape is the herd of bloviating hamplanets. nothing else.
ascii_field: for instance, picture that you've caught herr karpeles
mircea_popescu: the morally responsible is jwz, not bush not anyone else. yes the president is getting beheaded, that's how symbolics work. and it is the job and the duty of the politico class to play the goat.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the guilty is always jwz. and for the obvious reason, too. "only wanted to X"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00039811 = 16.1633 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am not actually profit motivated. i don't see catching her karpeles as a business, and i am not interested in doing it for a profit.
mircea_popescu: similarly, morning';s bug would have gotten crushed equally had it promised to unveil the Bug Saphire for me.
ascii_field: but if you had. and the contents of his sorry skin meant, say, five extra tank columns
ascii_field: stalin, for instance, was not 'profit-motivated' by any measure. but did not refuse to pocket spanish republic's gold reserve.
ascii_field: (into sov. pocket, not his own. important distinction)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00041376 = 29.5425 BTC [+] {5}
ascii_field: jwz has a very long history of being what he is.
mircea_popescu: it's basically what this is, neoteny of poor eating habits. "i wanna eat just the cream" "it's unhealthy" "nevertheless"
shinohai: nice > "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
ascii_field: fella who is ~really good~ at attaching himself to the backs of 'happening' things
decimation: I thought jwz gave up on 'tech' and opened nightclub
ascii_field: i'm half-surprised he hasn't turned up 'in bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: apparently you can never get out of the fucking digital mafia.
decimation: about 99% of people 'in tech' carry his attitdue
decimation: "we don't need to worry about politics, just do what must be done" ,etc
ascii_field: decimation: yes, there aren't many who'd refuse going back in time to be butt-buddies with andreessen
mircea_popescu: and putin doesn't understand how the world works, and so on.
decimation: well, entire generations were raised under the assumption that the us is in an overwhelming position of power w.r.t. the world
mircea_popescu: this is what memory hole effect is, too. "but they told me when i was five that it's ok to only turn my brain on if i hear a certain magic word"
decimation: ^ also because those generations were raised by usg
mircea_popescu: alf is worried about connected machinery behaving strangely if it gets magic packet
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the citizenry behaves strangely if it DOESNT get it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in popular parlance, this is called 'fnord' iirc
ascii_field: (iirc term came from same tale as the original lizardhitler)
mircea_popescu: as in "then the drones kept derping and dronfing about who knows what"
mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: dude sold some bullshit news service to a bullshit media corp (yahoo maybe ?) for a billion
mod6: it's a goof-ball way to put in all the patches applied, but that link show's all the patches and how I applied them.
mod6: that link in there shows which patches were used, and how they are applied. couldn't find a better way to do this at the moment.
ascii_field: looking for the graphical class inheritance charts the enemy www had
ascii_field: i can only guess those were produced via some other means ?
mod6: i think i've seen it, one sec.
ascii_field: but that crud clutters up the source and makes my eyes bleed.
mod6: yeah, i don't like that either.
mircea_popescu: indeed removal of all crud is a beloved goal, and how this adventure even begun if you recall
mod6: i think it just ends up munging all of the file names and stuff.
ascii_field: re: wx: it is in fact out, but sits behind a bunch of empty #ifdefs
mod6: so far, all i see are hierarchal graphs for base-classes/types. was trying to find something for CBlock, but I don't as of yet, see a graph.
mod6: like they have: [CBase58Data] <--- [CBitcoinAddress]
mod6: that type of thing.
mod6: if you show me what enemy has via link, maybe i can replicate it?
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 04:32:13; asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)
assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 20:03:03; ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00041747 = 5.0305 BTC [+]
mod6: btw, do you like that tree on the left pane? i added that, can remove.
mod6: oh ok, i see what you mean... yeah, i can try to get it to work on this side too.
mod6: i kinda thought so too
mod6: oh i found it. CALL_GRAPH and CALLER_GRAPH were set to "NO" in the config file.
mod6: lemme regenerate both.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yep node is actually starting up. will undergo some testing.
mod6: huh, maybe those didn't do the trick...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and, in case anyone forgot that bitcoind was written by the diagnosably retarded, we get to choose between syncing exclusively from mircea_popescu's node ('-connect' mode) and getting to serve blocks to anyone
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: say i want to pull down chain from your node
ascii_field: in the process, my seed doesn't get to seed anyone.
mircea_popescu: (the production trick to solve this : have two instances running, have them share the files, have one not write)
ascii_field: if i had to predict, would say this does not work as written - threads do not have deterministic behaviour, and bitcoind is peppered with pointless locks
ascii_field: whole thing is almost optimized for irreproducibility
mod6: ok now im building the graphs, just needed to install graphviz
mod6: lol, this thing is 64Mb gzipped
mod6: lol, so many files it exceeds the abilities of mv & cp...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i recommend also (assuming you haven't done this ages ago) doing equivalent of disabling debug.log rollover (plug in teletype into that pdp-11...)
mircea_popescu: this, mind, is a mystery meat "mp-brand" bitcoind. iirc it identifies as 6.2
mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
☟︎ ascii_field: well yes. but i am assuming it has some mechanism for keeping log
mats: *john cena plays in the background*
mats: not sure. one of my buddies linked it... prob one of the chans if i had to guess
assbot: ISIS forces boys to wrestle as they train to become next generation of killers | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1LL3YCN )
mats: looks like good training too
ascii_field: rezun has a very spiffy nearly book-length description of the ru version
mircea_popescu: "As is typical of a C++ program, a lot of code tends to end up in the header files
ascii_field: ~40% of the 'mass' in therealbitcoin is in headers...
mod6: I wanna link these on the main page website.
ascii_field: l0l re: the rebranding of a very ordinary plumber's borescope sold pretty much everywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00041676 = 19.5877 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: ascii_field: read that as firefox at first, thought it was a hell of a pivot for mozilla, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.0004184 = 24.0371 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: yes, spiffy, i'm surprised... guess btc. yt will be deprecated
ascii_field: in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass.
ascii_field: (the vendor's explanation for why they failed was dpasted here a while ago, but will be reprinted in this month's broadcast.)
ascii_field: jurov: actually we really still need btc.yt thing
ascii_field: 'doxygen' doesn't appear to do the handy 'click this and see ~EVERYWHERE~ it appears' symbol concordance
mircea_popescu: anyway this looks like it's going to be an epic b-a summer. phuctor delivered, eulora came, nodes are moving, apparently cardano as well,
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00041764 = 10.0651 BTC [-]
trinque decided to work through the mcclim tutorial today
trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
☟︎ trinque: the clarity of purpose, simplicity, sheer elegance of this thing trumps every other environment I've built things in
trinque: seems like an alternate history where the terminal concept developed further
trinque: rather than being replaced with a bunch of consumer friendly skeuomorphic shitware
ascii_field: trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer to the accumulated advancements which add up to commonlisp world, rather than the barf of that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as taught
ascii_field: or have you contribute to 'ethereum' for course credit
trinque: sure, and "marketable skills" like java, c++, or c#
ascii_field: at 'respectable' uni they make a show of not teaching as much of ^this as they could 'because this isn't trade school after all'
trinque: I'm on ch3 and I can already bind data to usable UI, selectively update the display, so on
mod6: <+ascii_field> in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass. << nice!
ascii_field: trinque: now imagine if no part of the machine were exempt.
trinque shudders to recall how the same thing looks elsewhere
trinque: ascii_field: I can as a novice see the foothills at least
ascii_field: as in, want to put disk controller registers on the screen? go, do
trinque: everything expressed as the same kind of data structures
mircea_popescu: i was kinda curious when his "Everything is sql" was going to reduce.
trinque: when I found time for this :)
trinque: I can see that did not go nearly far enough.
ascii_field: i'll note that lispmachine did not go far enough
ascii_field: where cpu had to 'hand carry in a basket' from point a to b
trinque: we were sort of bolting postgresql to linux via foreign data wrappers like morons
ascii_field: rather than electrical connection in programmable grid
trinque: denying the underlying system like systemd does
trinque: "pay no attention to the linux behind the curtain"
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel had something in this spirit; i barfed
trinque: I tried to build his, couldn't
ascii_field: because the absolute worst thing that can happen is that this kind of monster ~walks~
trinque: yeah I begin to see why there's no real intermediate step here.
trinque: you end up getting lost taping the underlying thing to the interface forever
ascii_field: i spent the last 5 or so years looking for an intermediate point between here and ic fab
trinque: seems reasonable enought to resolve for the near term to just run sbcl apps on linux
ascii_field: (yes, works. but now you have 'guts' in the works, and breakage paths that don't cleanly break into lisp)
trinque: and that's what corrupts the intermediate-step approach, it seems?
trinque: what I was trying to get at about tape
ascii_field: i actually had problems with serial ports when i did the robot thing
trinque: like I did a "commonqt" project
trinque: just ends up that I wrote c++ in lisp
ascii_field: yes, no way to glue qt in any rational way
ascii_field: ^ i slaved to try and get that thing to run as a student
trinque: commonqt ran fine; just that as I perceive it, utterly non-lispy
ascii_field: and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into the cpp shit pit
ascii_field: i.e. i wanted to bake a 'text edit' widget with clickable hyperlinks ~active during editing~
ascii_field: afaik, TO THIS FUCKING DAY not a SINGLE GUI TOOLKIT will let you do that.
trinque: it all sees the user as a derp that would never do such a thing
trinque: or do you just mean dynamically in the code?
ascii_field: to this day, afaik, i'm the only one who ever wanted this.
trinque: not even clim? or only it?
ascii_field: problem with clim is that is does not actually work (with usable response time and reliability) on any extant system
trinque: all I want it to do is display some stuff from postgresql and let me edit data with reasonable performance
trinque: maybe click a foreign key and get the row it points to
trinque: so I can stop writing the same derpy app a thousand times
trinque: everything remotely like this is either garbage worse than excel or some shitty pile of JS (because that's what I want to do, edit my db over
http) trinque: anyone who has ever written an administration panel for a web thing has wasted his life
ascii_field: on an entirely other level, the kernel is also garbage
ascii_field: (it being, having been written by the blind.)
ascii_field: because when you can't physically connect arbitrary flipflops in the machine to the screen, you're - blind.
trinque: I'm not qualified to say, but it does look like yet another vast C monstrosity from the outside
trinque: dunno how anyone could ever reason about it
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ascii_field: about items which 'fit in head', there can - on rare occasion - be reasoning.
ascii_field: about other kinds - only delusion of reasoning.
trinque: reminds me of feynman's thing about "nobody's at the wheel" or something like that
trinque: can't find the actual quote; something about wanting to believe that there's some conspiracy in charge of the world because it's more comfortable than the reality
ascii_field: evidently he never hung out with brzezinski, mr. controlled-chaos
ascii_field: (or wishes us to think that he did not!!111)
trinque: clearly he was a part of the shadowy cabal himself
jurov: fellows, we have with mod6 noticed disconnect between patch IDs in mailing list and in release notes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00042236 = 7.4758 BTC [+]
jurov: part is that everyone seems to hate mailman renaming them to include the ID
ascii_field: if i wanted garbage in the name, would put it there myself.
jurov: yes, you prefer to name everythign "turd", i know
ascii_field: the hash in the name is useless, because no one signs it
jurov: how should we (and, the poor system for tracking the signatures), keep them?
jurov: they are not iunique already
ascii_field: how is asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch an improvement over asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.patch ?
ascii_field: i never released anything lacking a unique and modestly descriptive name
jurov: much better that turd.patch
jurov: mod6 you realized your patches are actually worst-named
mod6: why are they the worst?
ascii_field: jurov: also ought to remember, not all patches are meant as 'canonical' (that is, for eventual inclusion in the tree)
ascii_field: some can - must - only make sense in thread context
jurov: well, where is the context what is "portatronic" ought to be?
ascii_field: it was explained in painful detail in later discussions
mod6: i think the nomenclature is pretty straightforward. easy to use. you specify which base your coming off of, the patch name, and a number for any that are required to come before it.
ascii_field: but for those discussions to make sense, the patch had to be out there
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:00:30; mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
mod6: anyway, i like the idea of a checksum for the patches. if we can somehow hvae that without it being in the name of the patch, that would be neat.
jurov: the problem is, when i receive detached sig later
jurov: and user is unwilling to work with patch ID the system must somehow heuristically
jurov: match it to original submission
jurov: ascii_field: it was intended to allow other people to send singatures for patches ater they revviewed them
mod6: so after review you just expect or perhaps exepect to just see a .sig file attached alone without the patch itself?
jurov: that doesn't matter if alone or not
mod6: lol, i need a flow-chart
jurov: there must be a way to refer to original submission
jurov: if not by ID, then people must meticulously keep adhering to original name
ascii_field: notice that you don't even need the patch file for this
jurov: there is lubrary for this?
jurov: iirc i have searched for something liek that but did not found it
jurov: you could tell earlier there's a way to get hash from signature
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 21:29:11; mircea_popescu: 10.3M/s eta 1h 40m
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 20:43:32; trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: Signature made Sex 26 Jun 2015 18:32:29 BRT using RSA key ID ED5CDE14
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're merely trying to survive and perpetuate, them mediocrities.a
mod6: ascii_field: hey, i'm having a tough time getting the hash itself out of a sig file of mine with that python version of pgpdump. which flag should i be using; i've tried 'em all
mod6: dpaste.com/1G0JNPE.txt
trinque: it's not the site though, I'm allowing any
jurov: app-crypt/pgpdump indeed does not show the hash (and it's not python but binary)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00041928 = 22.5992 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and dev-python/pgpdump has docs dunno where
ascii_field: (yes, there are two proggies by same name)
mod6: it's the one you linked above though 'H?
ascii_field: jurov is right though, the one for which i gave the args is the c proggy
trinque goes to slap deedbot- around in private
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mod6: ok, i think this thing installed, but i can't figure out how to get it to run lol.
mircea_popescu: bah. from the wunderbar world of undocumented linux gotchas : if you're transferring a file over 2gb, either curl or wget will go into "download one burst, rest for 30 seconds" mode and that's that.
jurov: looks like server problem
ielo: mircea_popescu, < why does this retard gossip like a 12 year old and you guys believe it?
mircea_popescu: the thing will burst ~3mb, then stop. then burst again then stop.
ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
☟︎ ielo: sorry i think you need to stop
jurov: anyway, looks pgpdump monkeys never bothered to pull actual hash out :/
ielo: mircea_popescu, i think you need mental help
mats: ielo: which people? name them.
ascii_field: anybody got a vivisection table open for the monkey ?
trinque: if only we had the nordic system, somebody would help poor mircea_popescu
ielo: amir taak, andrew miller 2 main ones
jurov: mats the data structure i get does include "hash_algorithm" but ntohing resembling actual hash
mats: oh, those are scammers.
ielo: you are such a shitty person
mircea_popescu: maybe if your friends would stop scamming / being retarded pieces of shit i wouldn't have to care about their otherwise meaningless existences ?
ielo: mircea_popescu, you literally dedicate your life to gossiping about shit you know nothing about
ielo: sorry but i remember you
ielo: from bitcoin conference in london
ielo: you are such a piece of shit
mats: jurov: are you saying a pgpdump fn you are calling is misbehaving?
mircea_popescu: ielo would this be the conference where tyhat fucktard nefario told everyone about how mpex is going to be going to jale two weeks before going to jale ?
mats: trying to figure out if its the library or the thing you're wrenching is at fault
mats: i am using pgpdump for a project and this is relevant
ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: motherfucker. and ~confirmed~ that the problem does not exist for files under 2gb.
ielo: its really sad that this is your life
mircea_popescu: 1 28.5G 1 314M 0 0 10.0M 0 0:48:17 0:00:31 0:47:46 13.7M
jurov: mats as the .sig file verifies, the hash must be therein
mircea_popescu: i guess im back to slicing archives. ima call them .rar too, in memory of the old days
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can still get actual rar..
mircea_popescu: anyone know right off how i slice a file into fixed sdized chunks ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: chicklet's the sister of one/wife of the other or viceversa.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, why do you people believe me that in fact miller & elaine whatever actually ran an unapproved scam on u of maryland dime ?!?!?
shinohai: @ ielo Sr. mircea_popescu is quite adept at revealing scammers is probably why.
ascii_field: the one part i'm unclear on is why the scam needed programmers at all
mircea_popescu: you read that story about the guy developing a drm thing for the palm pilot ?
mircea_popescu: because that's how you hoodwink investors, that's why!
mats: the coward fled already, felipelalli
felipelalli: thank you mats! Should I retry or my doc is already published?
mats: er, trinque is the maintainer
trinque: I'll make sure it goes out
trinque: just python string nonsense; I should've written this part in bash
trinque: this is just about past my shoot-in-head threshold
trinque: gpg likes your doc just fine, and python has your doc as a string identical to what was provided
trinque: smells like python-gnupg being a piece of shit
ascii_field: yeah at some point ~new~ phuctor will run over all the weirdos with non-latinate chars in namestring of key
felipelalli: the bod would cry with a Japanese doc!! :D
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:20:15; mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O
trinque: felipelalli: ascii was good enough for the lord and it's good enough for me!
mircea_popescu: atm i suspect it's doing something windows-retarded like "load whole file in memory, split it as a php array, write the result through type conversion"
felipelalli: trinque: if I add the option --charset=utf-8 when signing, helps something?
trinque: felipelalli: nah your doc's fine
mircea_popescu: srsly, two octets should be enough for everyone ? this is how it is ?
jurov: yes, apparently they balked at decnsing "pkcs1" stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, split takes 10 minutes for a 1 gb. upload takes 1 minute.
jurov: alternatively, maybe curl can be asked to download ranges (if server supports it)
jurov: what's on the other end?
mod6: can you use rsync instead?
jurov: maybe there's some dummy PHP script on server that chokes when hit 2G mem limit
jurov: (obv such tasks should bypass PHP completely)
mats: jurov: and this behavior is the same across c pgpdump and python port?
mod6: ~ how big is the file?
mats: port as to be found on 'pypi'
mod6: ah, well, if you hvae a solid inet connection you can always try scp as a last resort if you have a shell on the target environment too.
trinque: I "fixed" that by telling python-gnupg to use utf-8 internally as per their docs
trinque: that iirc might've caused problems with *other* characters (though I don't recall which) so someone ping me if they have trouble with that in the future.
mats: sorry for repeated queries, am mobile atm
jurov: mats, since the python one is written to be "inspired by C pgpdump", it's very likely it does not, too
trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli your doc went through
jurov: trinque: oh nm, you' re about deedbot, not about RFC 4880
trinque: "presentation types" << o hey look another thing I built shittily in der database
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:04:45; ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
jurov: The concatenation of the data to be signed, the signature type, *and creation time* ... is hashed.
jurov: ^ so the sig is useless for out purposes
jurov: asciilifeform: ^ we're back to using our own patch hashes somehow
mod6: i can't figure out how to get the hash out either, the best i've seen is that "digest algo 10, best of digest 23 49" gives you 2 bytes.
jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
☟︎ mod6: oh, is that per the RFC you pastd?
jurov: the PGP monkeys just did not foresaw any need to put into signature hash of signed document alone
mod6: haha cazalla, great movie.
mircea_popescu: cazalla Jun 26 16:23:33 *amiller (~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024) has joined #bitcoin-assets << also ?
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mats: what brings you here, amiller
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