mircea_popescu: ie, with or without "cathedral & bazaar", "copyleft" etc bs, something very akin to "the effects of open source" would have occured ANYWAY

mircea_popescu: not for lack of trying, right ? barcelona has better cathedral than paris.

mircea_popescu: people such as here present will claim that bolix or something like that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix", though cathedral alright.

mircea_popescu: unlike the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about, there's actual people in charge which means the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in the vein of "and here's your summons to parliament"

mircea_popescu: anyway, in other tales from the mortuary, who takes over the remnants of the "cathedral" aka democratic "establishment" ? pelosi ?

mircea_popescu: and therefore to them, "the cathedral" and "quantum computing".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "cathedral" never had any consistency outside of the pointless drivel of some redditard or other. apparently readily swallowed as fact by a certain demographic.

mircea_popescu: That he has been able to surf these scandals regularly as little more than free media opportunities shows that American democracy is in serious need of rehabilitation." << in my view, this settles an ancient point of contention curtis yarvin never manned up to, re "the cathedral" or generally how pervasive, or "in power" the idiots are.

mircea_popescu: "the cathedral and the bazaar", google it.

mircea_popescu: the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) ; or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down.

mircea_popescu: well no, removed the entire religion thing, from the "must build cathedral" to "tithe" - speaking of which, you ever seen l'avare with de funes ? epic tithing scene in there - and on and on. review the literature of the 1800s, about half the drivel printed was various clerics opiniong self importantly on matters they thoroughly ignored. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: they are there at the raping of the lizard cathedral.

mircea_popescu: "Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them."

mircea_popescu: "There are very few classics in the field of computing. We are at the very beginning of this journey and it hasn't even begun to get interesting yet. IMHO, the Cathedral vs. Bazaar isn't in anyway a dilemma or a classic. Linux was a failure 20 years ago, it is a failure today and any posturing otherwise is just that. "

mircea_popescu: the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.

mircea_popescu: let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.

mircea_popescu: - They also have all their own secret handshakes, and their own terminology [like the Cathedral ("political correctness"), thedening ("re-establishing ethnic group identity"), genophilia ("love of one's own race"), NRx ("neoreaction"), etc.].

mircea_popescu: dub o the cathedral/bazaar dude, i remember.

mircea_popescu: the pretense of the "educated" to access it is as fraudulent in today's cathedral as it was in the druid circle obviously.