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Namworld: Only reason it keeps jumping up massively is CPU -> GPU -> FPGA -> ASIC
Chaaang-Noi: davos yea fpga
davos: fpga
mircea_popescu: if it did i'd say it's veering worryingly towards fpga
Chaaang-Noi: i have done the maths, the shit asic miner is now making, is not that much better than bfl fpga
Namworld: that, combined with the discount you got on this used FPGA rig and the fact you can mine with it until the rig is ready...
Namworld: When they receive the working FPGA one, they ship right away.
Chaang-Noi: butterfly labs 15 ghs mini rig (fpga) worth it for 5.5k ?
jcpham: bitfury's fpga rack used _a lot_ of power iirc
mircea_popescu: depends on your definitions, but fpga people sold fpgas and gpu people sold gpus
Chaaang-Noi: furuknap he is a long time mining op that has fpga and gpus, but is also now doing asics both bfl and avalon, its a good hedge if you hold asic miner
ericmuys_: PsychoticBoy: your statements for ABM: "I am planning to grow bigger and bigger, recently ordered another BFLS." "And hoping to buy more FPGA/ASICS in the near future."
ericmuys_: PsychoticBoy: and your FPGA farm and avalon are giving you ฿0.20359620 per week?
PsychoticBoy: I have 14Gh-s FPGA farm and an Avalon
Chaang-Noi: no he wants to do fpga for ltc
mircea_popescu: optimator made a fpga last year, now claims an asic
Chaang-Noi: however if they claimed to get 100th with fpga and they sold stock on it, epic troll:)
optimator: is bitfury fpga? or asic?
mircea_popescu: Namworld was some guy with a large fpga rig last year
optimator: i mean 1700 order fpga trade in asic 65 gh/s has a lot of buzz words in it
dub: im wondering what they would pay for a FPGA single with a 1700 (first 24hrs) upgrade order
ezdiy: nah, i was just kinda lampooning their current fpga offering as it is largely outdated atm :)
ezdiy: deadweasel: just order the whole 100gh/s fpga rack
kakobrekla: those are spartans fpga
kakobrekla: MJR_ fpga is dead
kakobrekla: fpga
jurov: no mention of ASICs, only FPGA
KRS1: like Luke-Jr who say a 51% attack of LTC will happen with a few FPGA's
KRS1: why is anything fpga painfully expensive and low hash output
asciilifeform: I have an FPGA board right here on my desk, with a completely verifiable TCP/IP stack
asciilifeform: the client would choose the fpga and the board, and could even physically supply it
pgp: so FPGA + checksum = really secure?
asciilifeform: the product I envision would be a single-purpose device which runs the block chain and only the block chain. the FPGA code implementing the instruction set, firmware, etc. would form a complete description of the system.
asciilifeform: and so, one can use any of a thousand commercial fpga dev boards
asciilifeform: I'm thinking of a node (not a miner, note) written for a custom architecture, running on an fpga (of the client's choice)
usagi: bfl refunded me full price on a fpga single last week, which (apparently) dissapeared in shipping
error4733: and because they ship FPGA before, i think I would have fallen into the giant trap
asciilifeform: FPGA is cheap you know
asciilifeform: I am personally working on an FPGA setup for LTC
mircea_popescu: then tom folded and the guy was like a ok, making a 1mn worth of some other fpga i think it was
kakobrekla: ztex fpga roughly
lippoper1: Litecoin 51% attack with fpga's
mjr___: by the way, is asicminer an actual chip or a hardcoded fpga?
kakobrekla: they are even buying ztex fpga
KRS-1: my friend has some of their fpga stuff
topace: heh $2795 for the FPGA, with "vouchers for up to $2000 off of any jupiter purchase"
topace: at retail, the fpga chips from alterra are $$15k
topace: so kncminer announced a 6GH FPGA based miner, and a 250GH ASIC based miner ?
jurov: er.. fpga i man
mjr___: for example...in the open source fpga project
mjr___: from what i saw in the fpga world
alex12: Hello, where abouts could i look to pickup some FPGA units?
ThickAsThieves: is the case for the new ones the same as the fpga?
MJR_: yes, true, and there will be another wave of hardware that makes current asics look like old fpga's...
MJR_: mircea_popescu: yeah, i like the business model, i'm working on an fpga design that should be more efficient, and can then do an avalon style chip maybe...as far as i have seen, the designs work, but that doesn't mean they are nearly on the level they could be
gwillen: it's higher performance and cheaper than FPGA
asciilifeform: gwillen: it is an ASIC only in the sense that it isn't field-programmable. But most of the actual circuitry is identical to that of an FPGA
ChaangNoi: not fpga
Chaang-Noi: they did with fpga
MJR_III: yeah i started playing around with it back in 11...trying to do an fpga miner
topace: hehe, worked well for the fpga's
topace: due to the reinvestment in new fpga's
topace: yea about 22GH atm, all FPGA
mircea_popescu: topace those do poorly historically. what's it got, fpga ?
MJR__: my friend and I are working on an fpga design
midnightmagic: Indeed. ngzhang's Icarus designs were available to anyone, including open-sourced fpga bitstream, pcb layouts, BOM, and supporting software.
jborkl: FPGA's didnt burn up and GPUs didnt burn up - the power consumption of a ASIC tells me it will not burn up
kakobrekla: but i just sold my last fpga
BingoBongo: If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway
MJR_: my fpga project is coming along
mircea_popescu: fpga needs a lot more than 2x to stay competitive.
midnightmagic: it would be awesome because FPGA would kill asic then.
midnightmagic: I mean my GPU and FPGA. I've been itching to do some FPGA development for some time now.
midnightmagic: FPGA have a use outside of bitcoin.
midnightmagic: ngzhang is the one who reverse-engineered the identities of the fpga in bfl singles.
mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy whi discovered the chips bfl used in fpga ?
jcpham: they were quick to deliver on fpga
jcpham: i've been debating whether or not to run more gpu/more fpga every day
mircea_popescu: it'd be really retarded to make asics as fpga hardcopy wtf.
jurov: if avalon is really a fpga's hardcopy, baybe they just used same blob
jurov: just because it needs much memory. if someone figures out how to hook memory to fpga and make it fast...sky is the limit
jurov: next door at -otc, litecoin fpga firmware is cooking
mjr_: that is the synergy with the fpga project i have going on
mjr_: the fpga miners, the boutique hedge fund, and a bitcoin horseracing sitte
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'd buy new fpga's today tho
mjr_: FPGA's...
topace_: you know i wasnt bothered about the delays at all , since it just meant better return from the FPGA's... as long as everyone was delayed... but no w that some asics are out.. its gonna get annoying reaaaaaal quick
topace: and have pre-orders in for asic upgrades on every fpga already (since july/august).. if bfl ever ships, lol
topace: and no, you cant trade a unit in for a shipped fpga
midnightmagic: topace: Hey if they're ownership stakes does that mean we can trade the shares in for shipped fpga units?
topace: err actually, ~23GH, we shut off a a few of the old GPU machines, only FPGA's are running now
jurov: with no signs of fpga progress... maybe i can sell some more iDiff-Os at 0.07
B0g4r7_: A guy came on eligius the other day with 6 fpga mini-rigs. 162ghps.
Chaang-Noi: EskimoBob fpga for LTC??!!??
DeadWeasel: what do you make with your FPGA?
kakobrekla: ya a fpga is running somewhere in the house
mjr_: oh yeah, do you guys think fpga's will still be useful?
mjr_: but i am kinda happy if that's the case cuz it puts my FPGA project back on track
markedathome: but they will include 25 FPGA hard copy ASICS
mircea_popescu: i mean sure ppl would get excited, but so what of it ? fpga ss till hash