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thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 184.46829, Best ask: 190.00000, Bid-ask spread: 5.53171, Last trade: 180.44100, 24 hour volume: 143120.57221572, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 198.68487
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 203.75
thestringpuller: why...oh
thestringpuller: OH
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00069098 / 0.00070945 / 0.000715 (160086 shares, 113.57 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00069029 / 0.00071514 (2045008 shares, 1,411.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068765 / 0.00077505 (9412586 shares, 6,472.64 BTC)
thestringpuller: ah ha
ThickAsThieves: The following is the amount of "BTC In" for SatoshiDice.com for the previous four 4-week periods:
ThickAsThieves: Jan 16th 1992532
ThickAsThieves: Feb 13th 1174083
ThickAsThieves: Mar 13th 240936
ThickAsThieves: Apr 9th 121371
ThickAsThieves: see a trend?
bitesak: no
ThickAsThieves: Jan 16th 1992532
ThickAsThieves: Feb 13th 1174083
ThickAsThieves: Mar 13th 240936
ThickAsThieves: Apr 9th 121371
pigeons: better than when you were arguing nekkid
deadweasel: price goes up, betting goes down.
mircea_popescu: half quarter half
thestringpuller: ;;asks 250
gribble: There are currently 14360.402 bitcoins offered at or under 250.0 USD, worth 3143389.44241 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.6624 seconds
deadweasel: SDICE will rise!
thestringpuller: ;;bids 130
gribble: There are currently 16797.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 130.0 USD, worth 2542314.64368 USD in total. | Data vintage: 103.5214 seconds
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu ah the BCB chairman arrives
ThickAsThieves: feel free to verify, i was doing like 5 things at once (as usual) when i did the math
bitesak: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 421.129856 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.843939516219 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
thestringpuller: MPOE will rise
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 190.00000, Best ask: 198.90000, Bid-ask spread: 8.90000, Last trade: 198.90000, 24 hour volume: 144954.06230218, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 198.50794
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.1238 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.25500001 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker h klim
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
thestringpuller: !ticker h kim
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
thestringpuller: !ticker h him
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 0.75000001 / 1.10759322 / 1.20000000 (59 shares, 65.34800001 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.52179593 / 1.93000000 (221 shares, 336.31690011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.77008474 / 2.08000000 (806 shares, 1426.68829841 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker h vtx
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.18000000 / 0.25133697 / 0.30000000 (515 shares, 129.43853857 BTC), 7D: 0.18000000 / 0.30180003 / 0.47000000 (1667 shares, 503.10064405 BTC), 30D: 0.18000000 / 0.41931029 / 0.79900000 (14627 shares, 6133.25156457 BTC)
mircea_popescu: whoa him went to .75 ?!
ThickAsThieves: is that the one that buys BFLs?
mircea_popescu: iirc.
thestringpuller: yea i warned them too
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 40.02897 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0802176076933 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU).
thestringpuller: I wrote them an email explaining with the non-linear increase in difficulty and them not having a contingency plan for BFL labs non-delivery, there would be a run on the stock as dividends don't increase over time.
thestringpuller: Looks like people pulled out and went to ASICMINER :\
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.003205 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 68 @ 0.003205 = 0.2179 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: " ‏@stacyherbert 6m
mircea_popescu: My friend tried buying 100 bitcoin tonight at $220, then at $200, then at $175. Mt.Gox would ONLY fill it at $140."
mircea_popescu: so much win
Bowjob: lol\
thestringpuller: trading with the past?
Bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 94.566716 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.189510640042 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
Bowjob: it got worse
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 195.12195, Best ask: 198.40000, Bid-ask spread: 3.27805, Last trade: 198.40000, 24 hour volume: 146479.39685151, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 198.18480
ThickAsThieves: amazing
thestringpuller: was it the goxlag that caused it? or is shit going to get worse?
ThickAsThieves: imo another big dip to take profit is totally possible
novusordo: imo anything is possible
ThickAsThieves: imo you are correct
mircea_popescu: totally.
kakobrekla: over 200
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 198.97000
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 199.98000, Best ask: 203.00000, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 203.00000, 24 hour volume: 146479.39685151, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 198.18480
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [-]
pgp: I think another opportunity to sell...
pizzaman1337: seriously back to $200 already? wow
Bugpowda: yeah for sure
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+]
Bugpowda: time to dump
ThickAsThieves: yep
Bugpowda: probably will be too slpw
Bugpowda: too slow
Bowjob: lets dump fiat
Bugpowda: due to gox lag
Bugpowda: it usually oscillates 2-3 cycles of decreasing amplitude after big moves
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.50099848 / 224.19815089 / 226.07089967 (13815 shares, 2,358.38 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.2385 = 2.385 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 171.222393 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.343127758471 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).
Bowjob: even goxlag is lagging
kakobrekla: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
kakobrekla: hehe
pizzaman1337: where are our options...
pizzaman1337: mpexbot needs a better data source
mircea_popescu: i agree.
pgp: any link to latest communications from BFL regarding delivery - I'm looking to ammuse myself...
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.msg1796232#msg1796232
mircea_popescu: amuse away
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171036.msg1795415#msg1795415
mircea_popescu: also pretty good
Namworld: man... these are some good wads of cash I made
ThickAsThieves: mp would it be possible for you to develop relationships directly with your approved exchanged to become a "real" price index?
ThickAsThieves: get the info directly
ThickAsThieves: exchanges*
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: has no approved exchanges
mircea_popescu: it would be possible yes but not desirable.
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 295.600707 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.592380507118 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
ThickAsThieves: because you dont want the work/responsibility?
mircea_popescu: because i don't want to be the judge executioner and everything else.
ThickAsThieves: makes sense
Chilca_: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 314.06204 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.629376811746 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong, i too would love to be in a better reality.
mircea_popescu: but, this is the on;y one we got.
ThickAsThieves: any candidates you think could fill the role if they tried?
ThickAsThieves: I nominate Ukto
mircea_popescu: well how would i know.
mircea_popescu: easier to tell once the thing's done and working
Ukto: I humbly decline.
Ukto: I do not like playing Judge.
Ukto: Executioner sure. :P
Ukto: But thats a different story. ;)
ThickAsThieves: booo
jborkl_: btc e 175
ThickAsThieves: if i had the ability i would
ThickAsThieves: way out of my area
ThickAsThieves: who runs bitcoinity?
thestringpuller: comboy
jborkl_: lol, watching trollbox on btce
Bugpowda: I love that Usagi wants to take over the BAKEWELL security
Ukto: jborkl_: wait, btce is up? :P
kakobrekla: uhh?
jborkl_: it is for me
jborkl_: it only went down for a minute
pgp: mp: i love the "the movie-and-a-burger asset" comment...
kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI4fVgVVpiw
kakobrekla: a little late with the vid.
kakobrekla: but yea
mircea_popescu: pgp no but srsly. da people are done complaining about mpex fee
mircea_popescu: now it's the 1 btc
Enky: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 107.761137 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.215952111994 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
Enky: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 176.10000, Best ask: 186.90000, Bid-ask spread: 10.80000, Last trade: 186.90000, 24 hour volume: 155464.04726133, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 197.51465
Bowjob: dat spread
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172596.msg1795924#msg1795924
mircea_popescu: looky! wolv solved the ddos problem
Bowjob: We're taking the night off. We are not accepting new orders tonight (Wednesday Apr 10). Seriously, forget the Bitcoin Charts/Prices. Go for a walk, take a bath, go to the spa. Yes all pending orders will be processed, and Yes we'll be back to normal tomorrow. and no we were NOT hacked.
Bowjob: According to canadian bitcoins
Bowjob: xD
mod6: wat
mircea_popescu: lolwut
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 176.00000, Best ask: 179.98000, Bid-ask spread: 3.98000, Last trade: 170.02999, 24 hour volume: 157519.54743859, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 197.21062
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 111.797675 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.224041288951 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
KRS1: LOL@WOLV
ThickAsThieves: sad that 111s is now respectable
KRS1: yeah...we'll just put UDP traffic from a bunch of hosts into a nice little php/html form and email it back.
ThickAsThieves: lucif knows whats up https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131065.msg1791777#msg1791777
KRS1: <[yAK]> i was actually getting 300khash by putting a coat hanger into one of the pci express slots
TomServo: lolwut
KRS1: litecoins are strange
mircea_popescu: totally.
jborkl_: $160
KRS1: who'd ever think of using a coat hanger..i should stick a fork in one of my bitcoin mining rigs to see if that helps.
Bowjob: http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5165756a6bb3f7ea1c00000d-803-601/bitcoin-billionaire-2.png
Bowjob: Wooh
cole_albon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 162.00000, Best ask: 162.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 162.01000, 24 hour volume: 160814.65103316, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 196.46287
Bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 82.196653 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.164721172292 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
TomServo: custom leather products < ahahahah
TomServo: that's too great
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 152.68000, Best ask: 153.98000, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 152.68000, 24 hour volume: 164938.44701010, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 195.33394
mod6: yeah headed south
punkman: "@DavidClinchNews: We can laugh at Bitcoin but real guys, in real basements, are losing real fake money right now."
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: thats pretty funny
KRS1: im gonna google suicide over loss of btc and see what floats up
KRS1: it appears you guys have blood on your hands already..
mircea_popescu: lol punkman
Bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 120.367893 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.241215909866 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
joecool: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00068568 = 8.4695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3748 @ 0.00068433 = 2.5649 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: the REAL selling session has begin
ThickAsThieves: bgun*
ThickAsThieves: ...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.73 = 2.92 BTC [+]
KRS1: wtf@ http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/how-the-looming-bitcoin-crash-will-be-exploited-by-globalists-to-outlaw-decentralized-crypto-currencies/
KRS1: "The velocity of bitcoins is a huge red alert"
pgp: that's what I'm talking about...
KRS1: this writing sounds a little f'd up
KRS1: doesnt hold water imo
Bugpowda: time to buy
pgp: same guy is pestering US government for Area 51 docs
Bugpowda: 132.1
KRS1: ty bugpowder
Bugpowda: the oscillation will go up from here
pgp: i'm telling you, we're back down
pgp: i don't think it's done yet
Bugpowda: My asks got filled at 198
Bugpowda: my bid at 151 was too high
Bugpowda: got filled
pgp: gotta love second chance selling, though...
Bugpowda: now hoping for 131.1
Bugpowda: It does a damped osciallation EVERY TIME. usually the magnitude is too small to trade due to fees, but this one is SO BIG, the fees dont matter.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 the nutsos are moving in
mircea_popescu: Bugpowda classic time arbing
Bugpowda: filled@ 131.1
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [+]
pgp: bp: I agree with theory, but not that we necessarily go back up after attentuation of occillilations...
Enky: ;;ticker
Scrat: fuck is this, I thought we were back at 200?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.44000, Best ask: 130.01111, Bid-ask spread: 0.57111, Last trade: 130.01111, 24 hour volume: 173037.17370943, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 192.39910
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017959 = 0.0359 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.73 = 10.95 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: its gonna go below 120
Bugpowda: its possible
Bugpowda: I have bids down there too
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 49 @ 0.017999 = 0.882 BTC [+]
Chilca_: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 189.333507 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.379422228144 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
Chilca_: ;;ticker
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
Chilca_: ;;ticker
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1019 = 0.9171 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 127.21951, Best ask: 129.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.78049, Last trade: 129.00000, 24 hour volume: 173862.61424907, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 192.07380
thestringpuller: ;;bids 100
gribble: There are currently 26980.866 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 2872092.44501 USD in total. | Data vintage: 46.7765 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 4 @ 0.018 = 0.072 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01996 BTC [+]
Namworld: yeah... the few bitcoins I sold right at the top of the bubble could almost pay for enough bitcoins to settle of my whole BTC-BOND
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 20 @ 0.024989 = 0.4998 BTC [+]
Namworld: but we ain't seen the bottom of this crash
thestringpuller: lol now I have to hold for my calls at 194 lolol
Namworld: I executed my calls some time ago...
thestringpuller: shit could be worse
deadweasel: so glad i exercised midday.
Namworld: Everything going superfine here
thestringpuller: My break even was at 243 24hprc which never came
deadweasel: balls, like the 212s, whoops!
Bugpowda: GOD DAMN GOX
thestringpuller: the price plummeting is going to help mpoe
Bugpowda: lagggged
thestringpuller: !ticker m mpoe
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
deadweasel: my faith is in the chinese tonight.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068433 / 0.00070689 / 0.000715 (163886 shares, 115.85 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00069025 / 0.00071514 (2061108 shares, 1,422.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068765 / 0.00077505 (9428686 shares, 6,483.68 BTC)
MJR_: hmmmm
MJR_: is anyone selling calls?
Bugpowda: FILLED another 100BTC.
Bugpowda: 13011.
thestringpuller: you have 13011 btc?
thestringpuller: THE FUCK?
Bugpowda: 130.11
benkay_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 130.00000, Best ask: 130.95306, Bid-ask spread: 0.95306, Last trade: 130.95306, 24 hour volume: 174798.60877076, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 191.69492
deadweasel: http://bitcoinity.org/markets lol at oscar the grouch
benkay_: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 219.05474 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.438983246301 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
Bugpowda: Here comes the bounce bitches.
Bugpowda: picked up 400 down here
MJR_: NICE
guruvan: sweet Bugpowda
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 194.482047 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.389739844658 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
ThickAsThieves: careful
ThickAsThieves: could still touch 120
joecool: !GOXLAG
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
KRS1: recovering
ThickAsThieves: lagging
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 174.694313 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.350085447277 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
joecool: wtf gribble
Bugpowda: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 151.11000, Best ask: 160.00534, Bid-ask spread: 8.89534, Last trade: 150.00000, 24 hour volume: 178878.97216569, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 190.19810
Bugpowda: BOW DOWN BITCHES
Bugpowda: fucking love bitcoin
deadweasel: haha, awesome Bugpowda
thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 minutes and 6 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> Bugpowda classic time arbing
deadweasel: if not for you, I would not have made my calls today. thank u.
deadweasel: or exercised them anyhow
MJR_: i do too
MJR_: for trading, volatility is so much fun
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: hey do you still have that picture showing the tweets correlating to bitcoin price saying "proof bitcoin isn't a ponzi"
Bugpowdeer: OK now to set the exit points
KRS1: volatility is where its at
KRS1: ive been making cash off ltc..up/down daily
ThickAsThieves: wow
ThickAsThieves: 175
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.102 = 0.51 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 119.363752 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.239203622545 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).
Bugpowdeer: so for the record, In at 133, 121, out at 198, in at 151, 132, 130, 130, out at??
deadweasel: 364
Bugpowdeer: 177.89 partial fill
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 170.00000, Best ask: 171.25187, Bid-ask spread: 1.25187, Last trade: 175.00000, 24 hour volume: 179884.35082268, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.82739
thestringpuller: going back down
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172009.msg1790293#msg1790293 "people are paying homage to Satoshi by sending him bitcoins.  Bitcoin is now a religion."
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-]
mod6: has anyone used bitfinex?
thestringpuller: why isn't the bot quoting?
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 162.992865 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.326635876501 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).
joecool: gribble is trolling
mod6: thestringpuller: you mean mpex?
thestringpuller: yessir
mod6: i have no idea
thestringpuller: mod6: is the bot qoting with stat?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 14 @ 0.122 = 1.708 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 160.01000, Best ask: 165.00000, Bid-ask spread: 4.99000, Last trade: 160.01000, 24 hour volume: 181176.23438337, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.55892
thestringpuller: this is absurd
mod6: i can issue commands to the exachange, buy|sell|stat but the bot has vaporized since the selling began
mod6: this happened last time there was a large sell off too :/
thestringpuller: this is awesome
thestringpuller: I may have lost money on calls (or not the month still has 19 days left)
KRS1: can i use a bot to trade on public exchanges
thestringpuller: but man this is BEAUTIFUL
KRS1: cant stand using the web interfaces
mod6: KRS1: me either. so i wrote unix tools for mpex. much happier :)
KRS1: i bet
mod6: well, at first I used to do all the orders by hand
KRS1: its been a while since i played with a perl bot
KRS1: mod6 that must have felt like another life to you haha
mod6: heheh.
KRS1: i'd love to learn how to trade on the mpex and what not..still learning but still have an investment in btc
thestringpuller: the volatility is at an all time high!!!!
thestringpuller: Jesus fucking christ
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C215T] 1 @ 0.2173294 BTC [+]
mod6: it had certainly been a while since i'd made any perl tools. but i'm glad that i made some now.
KRS1: need to figure out how to buy/sell quickly during times like this
thestringpuller: the bot is quoting?
KRS1: i love perl
KRS1: i think its because i learned pascal back in 90
thestringpuller: how the fuck did that order go through?
mod6: well, if you have an mpex account, you can certainly use these: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl
KRS1: ah there we go
mod6: i <3 perl too, python can suck my ass
KRS1: haha yeah
KRS1: im with you bro
mod6: :]
KRS1: and thank you very much for writing that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
mod6: no worries. hope it'll help someone out if uses it. let me know if you need help or whatever.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 150.50000, Best ask: 157.49999, Bid-ask spread: 6.99999, Last trade: 157.50000, 24 hour volume: 181970.84476366, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.03489
mod6: we're in #BitOTTer also
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
KRS1: k thx
troic_: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 42473977 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9588602.81013 USD in total. | Data vintage: 65.6944 seconds
thestringpuller: the bulls are waking up
mod6: i was asking about bitfinex just cause this guy in -otc mentioned it to me since i called Gox a jackwagon
mod6: i went to the website, but it seems that it's all sort of behind the scenes and what not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [-]
mod6: i guess they have leverage there ... hmm. scary.
mod6: sounds like another icbit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: icbit is down right?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.00000, Best ask: 143.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 142.00000, 24 hour volume: 181056.34284909, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 187.38060
mod6: thestringpuller: no clue, i've never used it.
benkay_: is *everyone* ddossed right now?
thestringpuller: yessir
mod6: seems to be a lot of attacks being reported
Scrat: benkay_: yep seems like someone used "*" in their botnet console
thestringpuller: XD
benkay_: i want a botnet
mod6: mircea_popescu: what happened to the mpoe bot?
mod6: just unplugged until a bottom is reached?
unbalanced_: It relies on bitcoincharts for 24hr vwap
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
unbalanced_: No feed, no vwap, no bot quotes
mod6: ok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
benkay_: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 39.813814 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0797864374783 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU).
benkay_: as depressing as it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [+]
benkay_: that's a reassuring number.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.2785 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: :)
mod6: ok well no wonder it goes down every time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.275 = 0.55 BTC [-]
mod6: everytime that gox shits its pants, so does bitcoincharts
benkay_: astonishing that nobody caches this data
thestringpuller: it's astonishing that the price is still volatile after the sell off hours ago
ThickAsThieves: many didnt have a chance to sell off earlier
thestringpuller: a traditional market would have shut off completely
thestringpuller: VWAP is still in the 180's
ThickAsThieves: i know wall st does that, but do currency exchanges do that?
benkay_: what's the rationale behind that?
benkay_: holding trading, that is
benkay_: move beyond market participants panic state?
MJR_: benkay
bVector: thestringpuller: icbit has been up throughout the day, no downtime noted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker h KCIM
assbot: [HAVELOCK:KCIM] 1D: 0.99520001 / 1.03657501 / 1.15000000 (16 shares, 16.58520009 BTC), 7D: 0.99520001 / 1.12171273 / 1.20900000 (55 shares, 61.69420011 BTC), 30D: 0.99500000 / 1.13147209 / 1.39999000 (205 shares, 231.95177822 BTC)
burnside: gonna be traveling for the next week or so. any inquiries PM me on the forums or send a support request via btct.co.
mircea_popescu: mod6 if bitcoincharts is retarded bot can't quote.
mircea_popescu: i've not unplugged anything.
mod6: gotcha.
naemsi: What are people using as gox alternatives?
benkay_: there's campbx
benkay_: i'm trying them out
naemsi: thx
gesell: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 151.26402, Best ask: 152.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.73598, Last trade: 152.00000, 24 hour volume: 182131.60623678, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 186.21706
ThickAsThieves: so many of these gox trades are silly little bot amount
ThickAsThieves: s
naemsi: benkay_: wow, that's weak. It allowed me to create a non-alphanumeric username but won't allow me to log in with it. :/
MJR_: bitfloor
naemsi: MJR_: thanks
mircea_popescu: lol securitah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.275 = 0.825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238577/Maria-Santos-Gorrostieta-executed-surviving-assassination-attempts.html
mircea_popescu: so they finally got her.
ThickAsThieves: wow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the kind of thing I mean by "X can also have problems."
orkaa: huh
mircea_popescu: ya, shooting rural women mayors, very impressive.
orkaa: she had some drama in her life
orkaa: but sad story anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C167T] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 189.06
mod6: thank dog, the mpoe bot is back
MJR_: i finally got socket.io to work with java
MJR_: i am the happiest guy in the world
MJR_: unfortunately, i can't get it to work over ssl
mircea_popescu: o hey, bitcoincharts livesd
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.21016 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00442913589382 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
pizzaman1337: oh hey, mpexbot lives too
mircea_popescu: they're related
pizzaman1337: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 189.06
pizzaman1337: yeah, but sometimes bitcoincharts is "kinda" up and mpexbot doesn't place orders
mircea_popescu: well it has to get an answer when it asks sorta thing
pizzaman1337: how often does it retry if it fails to get a response?
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 20.926272 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0419360147858 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
gesell: sorry, mpexbot is what controls gribble? is gribble getting its numbers from bitcoincharts?
mircea_popescu: well often-ish, but trying to also not kill the service
mircea_popescu: balancing act.
mircea_popescu: gesell the 24hprc is from bitcoincharts yesd
gesell: aaah yeah
pizzaman1337: look like they're only returning EUR and USD for currencies now, maybe that'll ease their load: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/
pigeons: ;;ticker --currency cad
gribble: BTCCAD ticker | Best bid: 158.41987, Best ask: 165.39963, Bid-ask spread: 6.97976, Last trade: 163.21575, 24 hour volume: 701.68925062, 24 hour low: 106.20810, 24 hour high: 270.77398, 24 hour vwap: 198.09981
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 155.10300, Best ask: 155.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.89699, Last trade: 156.00000, 24 hour volume: 188103.95597068, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 185.00224
mircea_popescu: , 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000,
mircea_popescu: epic.
bowjob: so people who bought calls got burned this time
mircea_popescu: it'd depend what calls they bought.
mircea_popescu: month started around 90.
bowjob: mhm
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172471.0 this is fulla win. usagi is taking over something or the other.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00070833 = 9.2791 BTC [+]
MJR_: it is so funny how expectations change the story
MJR_: sad really
MJR_: when we were at 80
MJR_: i think 2 weeks ago?
MJR_: people would have been thrilled to hear we would be at 160
MJR_: but once you've hit 265 for no reason at all...now 160 isn't good?
mod6: haha. true MJR_
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 9136646.06287 based on data since last change | 9622630.79435 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: !
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 68882.525336
benkay_: people call me
benkay_: say "omg crash"
benkay_: i blink and say "srsly? you care about one day's movement?"
benkay_: call me if we're ever down week over week; whichever cryptocurrency is popular at the time might actually have hit a steady-state value at that point
pizzaman1337: looks like we have some healthy support at 160, http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
mircea_popescu: benkay_ for every person that matters there's 1k+ people with a btc or less.
mircea_popescu: for every person with 1 btc or less there's 1k+ people with a bunch of social media accounts.
mircea_popescu: the resulting noise from all this amplification...
KRS1: that graph looks like the price will drop
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.719 BTC [-]
benkay_: isn't that the future of the currency distribution anyways? lots of people holding tiny amounts?
benkay_: mircea_popescu?
KRS1: will the network keep up?
MJR_: well the cream rises to the top
mircea_popescu: probably.
Scrat: we are the 1%
Scrat: occupy -assets
KRS1: im always worried about the network unable to facilitate transactions
benkay_: .001 hopefully
mircea_popescu: but the thing is, to 99.99% of people "involved, their involvement is just saying the name
mircea_popescu: bitcoin
mircea_popescu: for 99% of people involved, their involvement is less than a decent meal.
bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 167.00000, Best ask: 167.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 167.00000, 24 hour volume: 190512.24561499, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 184.31487
MJR_: they need to say the name 3 times in a dark room into a mirror
mircea_popescu: this somehow is disproportionate to the attention, almost as if the less skin in the game, the more theorizing etc.
KRS1: i've tried that..bitcoins from heaven does not come
MJR_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c2u1x/operation_foolscoin/
KRS1: i cant even begin to count all the coins i sold for dimes
KRS1: i would have been able to retire
ThickAsThieves: that support at 160 is probly price manip
ThickAsThieves: 1 big wal
ThickAsThieves: l
MJR_: maybe
MJR_: i think they accomplished their goal already
MJR_: they got coins cheap
MJR_: by the way, did anyone see CNBC "MARKET WATCH: Bitcoin Bubble Burst?"
MJR_: like its a fed announcement, lol
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1019 BTC [-]
benkay_: mircea_popescu, even my hairdresser understands that a deflationary currency is worth more tomorrow
mircea_popescu: that's pretty huge for btc really.
MJR_: yeah
mircea_popescu: i mean... people see it "bust" and still worth more than the dollar.
MJR_: i mean, i think the fact that we bounce back after a 3x (by price) bigger drop than the 2011 crash
MJR_: speaks to the fact that this is here
MJR_: and its not going anywhere
gesell: every time i refresh http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png i get a different image and sccale
MJR_: peace out all
MJR_: vires in numeris
MJR_: lol
gesell: ciao MJR_
mod6: they talk about it here on CNBC @ ~4:00 => http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000160452
mod6: ugh
mod6: Maria: "... But Bill, where's the money!"
mod6: well, i guess ~4:30 mins in
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.719 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.702 BTC [-]
mod6: Santelli interviewed the BTC ATM guy a week or so ago. That was kinda neat.
deadweasel: they really wana squash gold.
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.545224 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00109262279137 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
KRS1: .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2077 @ 0.00070625 = 1.4669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1048 @ 0.00069712 = 0.7306 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.77 = 2.31 BTC [-]
bgupta: so curious.. what kind of crack pipe are the gox ks smoking if they think that it's a sign of success that their shitty trading system caused a flashcrash?
mircea_popescu: bgupta they have been pulling that deluded crap pretty much as their signature since 2011.
bgupta: they were honest.. but I was like "you are celebrating this".. mmm guess they made a ton of commissions so they were in the mood to celebrate?
punkman: do they still take Magic cards?
punkman: I should sent them a few boxes via freight
bgupta: As far as I know that guy is doing something else now. (Sold the exchange)
mircea_popescu: bgupta honesty apparently means different things to different people.
bgupta: they basically said "yay the market crashed because our systems couldn't keep up with demand! we rock!!"
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 163.00001, Best ask: 163.38999, Bid-ask spread: 0.38998, Last trade: 163.00000, 24 hour volume: 244646.64497220, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 177.15869
Scrat: bgupta: pathetic
bgupta: Scrat: Don't know if you read it: https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130411.html
Scrat: bgupta: i did, i replied to the forum post
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
mircea_popescu: my latest evil.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8015 @ 0.00070632 = 5.6612 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00149 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: your page not available here MP
Scrat: gox is down
Scrat: ;;goxlag
ZedsterX: you getting DDoSed or overload? :)
kakobrekla: gox said they were going down
kakobrekla: to add more server
kakobrekla: cause success
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX gah looking into this
Scrat: kakobrekla: he said in the next 12 to 24 hours
ZedsterX: no problem after yesterdays crash i can't afford to read your articles :)
kakobrekla: maybe they were including goxlag or smth into dat
Scrat: right now it's 4 hours after the press release
Scrat: lol
bgupta: mtgox website down?
bgupta: nvm
dub: maintenance
bgupta: ok they should do this more often.. I'd be able to get more work done ;)
dub: https://www.facebook.com/MtGox?ref=stream
bgupta: Gox has crashed.. gonna sell all my btc for $1 each on otc.. brb...
mircea_popescu: mkay this is a significant increase in ddos.
ZedsterX: up now MP
mircea_popescu: i doubt they've crashed. i think they got a taste of 200mbps
mircea_popescu: okay, everyone get your trades through if you were contemplating anything
mircea_popescu: this promises to be a bumpy weekend.
Scrat: my anus is ready
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5698 @ 0.00070858 = 4.0375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1652 @ 0.00069712 = 1.1516 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: Scrat: TMI
Namworld: mircea, I got my trades throught at 230-250 already
Namworld: I'm all good
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [-]
Namworld: I took a screenshot of clarkmoody at the peak
Namworld: http://i.imgur.com/1uwrLCA.png
Namworld: The price rise is almost vertical over a few weeks and totally dwarfs 2011's bubble
mircea_popescu: lol nice screencap
kakobrekla: so in 2015 to excpect about 200 to 2000 bubble?
Namworld: I was looking at price and the 2011 looked like such a small bump... I thought, I've got to take some money there
Namworld: I withdrew funds available on the various exchanges, sent to gox and sold
Namworld: Soon after the crash occured.
Namworld: I was just in time.
Namworld: Too bad the free BTC was only a fraction of my portfolio
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.29999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P128T] 1 @ 0.06702997 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3059 @ 0.00071544 = 2.1885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4346 @ 0.00071567 = 3.1103 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well that's always the case neh ?
Scrat: [12:31] <bit14> @MagicalTux: why exactly would a ddos affect the matching and execution engine?
Scrat: [12:31] <@MagicalTux> bit14: overloading system cpu
Scrat: [12:31] <@MagicalTux> ddos are not all about cpu
Scrat: [12:32] <bit14> @MagicalTux: wouldn't the front end and execution engine be on different machines?
Scrat: [12:32] <@MagicalTux> bit14: not yet
mircea_popescu: heh.
gesell: ;;ticker
dub: neamwhile in switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vsXs3GUrw64#!
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
Diablo-D3: or not
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 146.76500, Best ask: 148.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.23500, Last trade: 143.00000, 24 hour volume: 247104.13417462, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 175.50181
gesell: Do you suppose what MagicalTux is talking about are all the massive 0.01 orders?
gesell: as i was saying yesterday, if each execution of an order requires gox to recaculate a bunch of things such as your current fee bracket, in addition to properly matching, then mangification at the cpu level is possible. and another argument for throttling oders per second per user until gox finds solutions
mircea_popescu: in the paralel if relative distant universe where tux knows what he's talking about
mircea_popescu: he could in principle be talking about that or anything else.
taub: gesell: that is their faulty engine design, and i predicted this like two weeks ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
taub: they dont know jack about anything, im tired of the ameteurish nature of all of this :(
taub: please jew bankers rescue us
mircea_popescu: lol taub
gesell: taub: dont worry, max keiser will save us
mircea_popescu: this is where i replug http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
gesell: im sure he's going to say something big any time now ;)
Scrat: at least jew bankers know to isolate their website from their trading system
taub: exactly
mircea_popescu: well... mpex is the only one doing that, and i ain't jewish
mircea_popescu: also i explained what it is and why it should be done, but tards like tux think tjhey know shit
mircea_popescu: ie, better than me.
gesell: mircea_popescu: thanks for the post. finally someone giving numbers
gesell: yeah, gox should switch to the PGP protocol for all orders :)
ezdiy: actually there are sound proposal for true p2p exchanges
ezdiy: problem is getting fiat in and out
taub: yep
ezdiy: you basically need some kind of "jew bankers", and assuming the escrow fraud to manipulate the market
ezdiy: its 20% tax on fiat in/out
ezdiy: but might be worth to some people
taub: maybe ripple can help in this? getting money into the exchanges
mircea_popescu: gesell no, just to separate trading engine.
punkman: why 20%?
mircea_popescu: there's things they can do and things they can't do
ezdiy: punkman: ripple.
ezdiy: simply, people being anonymous means that 20% of them will turn out to be scumbags
ezdiy: and you have to subsidize that
mircea_popescu: lol where you got your number from ?
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: chargeback rates
ezdiy: on creditcards
mircea_popescu: where exactly are chargeback rates 20% ?
ezdiy: everywhere
ezdiy: thanks to carders
punkman: you can't have 20% chargeback rate, they shut you down
mircea_popescu: ...
ezdiy: you oughta know
ezdiy: youre romanian :)
mircea_popescu: very smart.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: well, assuming there is ripple for pp/cc
ezdiy: we shall assume same chargeback rates
ezdiy: ie immense amount of abuse from hacked accounts
pizzaman1337: you don't have to get fiat in between p2p exchanges - you could settle in btc
ezdiy: pizzaman1337: we're talking btc/fiat exchanges
mircea_popescu: there is no system in this world with 20% chargeback rates. either you have a working system and chargebacks are a fraction of a percent
pizzaman1337: yeah
ezdiy: of course btc/ltc/whatever exchanges can be pure p2p
mircea_popescu: or you're fucked, in which they're closer to 100%
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: in average, its supposedly about 20% (cant find the source atm, but i assume you'll get similiar number if you google hard)
mircea_popescu: don't assume.
punkman: you know what's a fun read, those 500 page Visa PDFs explaining all you ever wanted to know about credit cards
mircea_popescu: lol
punkman: wait, I mean no fun at all
mircea_popescu: "all you never cared to know about idiotic topic #345789348975 and therefore you didn't ever ask"
mircea_popescu: should be a book line.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.29999998 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1226 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 60 @ 0.1226 = 7.356 BTC [+]
punkman: did I say 500 pages? I meant 1250, http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/visa-international-operating-regulations-main.pdf
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1227 = 1.227 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 27 @ 0.1229 = 3.3183 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 26 @ 0.124 = 3.224 BTC [+]
punkman: http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/visa_risk_management_guide_ecommerce.pdf
ezdiy: hehe
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 13 @ 0.12966 = 1.6856 BTC [+]
ezdiy: and then you have guys like ccbill
Scrat: which is mostly bullshit
punkman: perhaps you mean 20% attempted frauds
punkman: which they don't let through
Scrat: I had to do the PCI compliance thing once, had to tick gems such as "- you regularly run antivirus scans on your servers"
ezdiy: punkman: we're talking ultimate costs
ezdiy: punkman: sure the chargeback dont get through, the fraud rate is like 0.1-3% tops
ezdiy: but actual costs are *much* higher
ezdiy: Scrat: lol :)
punkman: yes the merchant gets a fine for each chargeback
MJR_: hi there
Namworld: the merchant shouldn't get the fine...
mircea_popescu: yes thery should.
mircea_popescu: if i ran visa everyone to ever lose a card would be fined $500
ezdiy: they're to motivate to filter out fraudulent customers
Namworld: the merchant should get a huge fine IF it is found they frauded someone.
Namworld: Oh, from Visa's point of view, sure, they should
ezdiy: ie you'll not survive the outrageous fees (supposedly up to $250) if you cant filter abuse
mircea_popescu: "Police in New Jersey are on the hunt for the criminal behind the theft of $100,000 of hamburger patties"
Namworld: It's the easiest way to tax merchants on handling complaints.
mircea_popescu: this to go with the nutella earlier
Namworld: damn... nutella/burger patties sandwiches?
Namworld: Someone planning a neat diet
punkman: or maybe the merchant should fine Visa for letting their cards get stolen
MJR_: hi mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hi MJR_
MJR_: nice article
ezdiy: punkman: thats what 3d-secure is for
ezdiy: never pay with 3d secure :)
ezdiy: (its the small print that fraudulent costs are passed on you, since uh, its 3d and secure, thus cant be stolen)
MJR_: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
MJR_: where has smickles been?
MJR_: smickles: hi
error4733: !ticker m s.dice
gesell: ;;ticker
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00300501 / 0.003289 (23267 shares, 69.92 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00285732 / 0.00333333 (218637 shares, 624.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00350541 / 0.00599987 (1764568 shares, 6,185.54 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.50125, Best ask: 141.57000, Bid-ask spread: 1.06875, Last trade: 141.57000, 24 hour volume: 247211.87558680, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 174.53931
mircea_popescu: MJR_ iirc he has a child due
MJR_: ah, congrats to him, i hope
error4733: Hahaha : 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000 Welcome in BTCLAND
mircea_popescu: i hope that smarted.
mircea_popescu: i like that word, it clearly shows what's needed for making people smarter.
MJR_: To give you an idea of how impressive things were here are some numbers that we would love to share with you guys: - The number of trades executed tripled in the last 24hrs. - The number of new account opened went from 60k for March alone to 75k new account created for the first few days of April! We now have roughly 20,000 new accounts created each day.
MJR_: nice spin?
MJR_: yes, gox, you were very "impressive" yesterday
error4733: Mt gox ?
MJR_: yes
MJR_: this is their "PR" from yesterday
MJR_: again, victim of our own success
MJR_: cuz obvs they are teh best...l33t
error4733: cmon :D stop kidding me before my coffee
MJR_: not shitting you
error4733: 75K for april ? :D
MJR_: https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130411.html
MJR_: there is article
MJR_: fucking hilarious
ezdiy: i think mtgox pr money is well spent
ezdiy: kudoz to their copywriter
error4733: almost the same in 2012 ?
MJR_: the egos on these guys...
MJR_: we were directly responsible for a panic that resulted in a drop of over 50%...we are just that good
ZedsterX: MtGox.com ?@MtGox 49m
ZedsterX: Maintenance Over however we are now under a DDoS attack.
ZedsterX: sorry if thats a repost
MJR_: (they actually claim that they caused the panic sale due to how much volume increased)
error4733: yep MJT i can't open the link
MJR_: LOL, keep reloading it eventually will get there
ezdiy: ZedsterX: translation: maintainance takes much longer than expected, but lets play we're the victim here.
ZedsterX: lol
MJR_: http://pastebin.com/H4wLsYTi i pastebined it for you guys
MJR_: mircea_popescu: it is hilarious
ezdiy: for two hours in the next 12 to 24hrs
ezdiy: see that right there
ezdiy: that pr guy could be a politician
ezdiy: or a lawyer
MJR_: hahaha
error4733: thanks MJR
MJR_: yes, most of you now think of getting screwed as getting "goxxed" but i can make this look good
mircea_popescu: idjits
mircea_popescu: MJR_ thanks. http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/#comment-92701
mircea_popescu: i've added it for the ages.
ZedsterX: it is kinda funny that on gox's twitter they say don't panic network maintance then 8 minutes later we are under ddos
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX it's not lieing if you say stuff that's not true
mircea_popescu: it's just pr. right ?
ZedsterX: bad pr is good pr
ZedsterX: ask bFL :)
ZedsterX: they must happy with the spot moved a bit
ZedsterX: light*
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i think the phrase is "wording"
ezdiy: gox is just wording us
ZedsterX: word
ZedsterX: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol
ezdiy: maybe bitcoin will transition from cult of getrichquick to cult of personality
ezdiy: kinda like max kaiser being the jesus preaching light of tomorrow, and mircea_popescu the evil guy
mircea_popescu: o gawd.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many jesuses we've had to date ?
ZedsterX: MP isn't god?
ZedsterX: now i'm really confused
mircea_popescu: i used to be but i was just not very good at it.
ezdiy: ZedsterX: bad guy
ezdiy: preaching bad things for bitcoin
ezdiy: but a lot of followers apparently
ezdiy: max kaiser the polar opossite
ZedsterX: well couldn't have done any worse the current person on that throne
mircea_popescu: yeah, keiser is the polar opposite, inasmuch as clues go.
ezdiy: the resemblance of bitcoin to religious cults is certainly here
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
ezdiy: gribble, dont beat the dead horse
KRS1: mornin gribble
deadweasel: price what, around 140?
deadweasel: morning all ;)
mircea_popescu: deadweasel http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
mircea_popescu: my friendly evil psa service.
deadweasel: ah thx
error4733: 118$
error4733: 118€*... my bad, yes it's 140
KRS1: lol great article
KRS1: i bet many a rectum are sore this morning
mircea_popescu: good.
mircea_popescu: that's the true sign of a good fucking.
KRS1: the kind that stinks afterwards
deadweasel: great post. have your readers increased in the last few months? any data on that?
kakobrekla: 12:58.00 ( coinmaster ) [Stamp] BTC 75.000 USD (-63.990 USD)
kakobrekla: now
mircea_popescu: deadweasel i don't really keep very close track
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla buy!
kakobrekla: too late this time
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
kakobrekla: fud ? http://pastebin.com/j9VZxYA9
KRS1: uhh..
Scrat: looking at the emails, probably
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ohohohoh
gesell: total fud
kakobrekla: like 140 aint cheap enough
gesell: anyone done whale watching on the orderbooks recently?
ThickAsThieves: i can tell ya change password is broken in gox right now
error4733: emails list from 2011 hack !? #itspossiblyascam
taub: i think its kinda funny how butthurt lew rockwell is about bitcoin
taub: or that he doesnt take it seriously
taub: well time will come :(
mircea_popescu: if anyone want to contribute to the 1btc fund 1KSHjG4etUA1gBdpKRecoRbmxv4N2TLyFM
mircea_popescu: ima send them the brain wallet and publish the results.
mircea_popescu: um wtf
mircea_popescu: is brainwallet broken ?!
ThickAsThieves: that addy doesnt work
KRS1: mircea popescu did call it spot on..for a while now. sure goes along with what i've mostly noticed in life: too much of a good thing is usually not a "good thing".
mircea_popescu: wtf,
error4733: can u double check the address ?
mircea_popescu: i just generated it in brain wallet.
mircea_popescu: is the site broken ?
gesell: mtgox might just be ddos'ing themselves so that all that new fiat coming into the exchange via wire for new users that wont want to spend it on btc anymore can be put in a low interest bank account by gox to make them rich
mircea_popescu: http://brainwallet.org/
gesell: ;)
error4733: brainwallet doesnt work with Porn relative password MP
mircea_popescu: ok i can't get a usable address with brainwallet.org. all the addies it outputs are broken
mircea_popescu: anyone know an alternative ?
ThickAsThieves: https://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v2.4-SHA1-1d5951f6a04dd5a287ac925da4e626870ee58d60.html
ThickAsThieves: or, just the domain
ThickAsThieves: hmm did i just give some indentifer up?
error4733: no
ThickAsThieves: what is this? 1d5951f6a04dd5a287ac925da4e626870ee58d60
error4733: its the SH1
mircea_popescu: 13M1JEPDnSGLKMXXzGDSSQUuzqQwvsrVYS
mircea_popescu: fuck this doesn't workl either
error4733: when you DL the wep page to make paper wallet offline
ThickAsThieves: probly just uses brainwallet.org
mircea_popescu: 12bASRScqN1StAzbWxqSUtqKWKZK9nfHgY
mircea_popescu: not a single address i generate works. what the fuck is this ?!
mircea_popescu: did someone change the algo ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe thats the anonymous joke
error4733: you need to make the sum, to see if its the right
error4733: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: they hacked brain wallet
mircea_popescu: for fucks sake ?!
error4733: work for me
error4733: 1HiZZ1YbP6tBgEXvo1RMs3jWfbBswq7Yeg
mircea_popescu: i wonder if my js is broken
ThickAsThieves: plz confirm working address we arepooling in
mircea_popescu: error4733 pm me the sikrit for that one
mircea_popescu: ill email it
pgp: morning - more volatility overnight i see...
error4733: mine was un test !! dont send any money
pgp: mp: nice PSA
mircea_popescu: error4733 but srsly make me one.
mircea_popescu: pgp i like you spell volatility right. it's so rare
pgp: if only people would listen
pgp: lol
mircea_popescu: the beauty of bitcoin : nobody has to listen.
mircea_popescu: as long as they can afford to pay all fines bitcoin may throw at them for it.
KRS1: lol
mircea_popescu: 1Pbfdh8ECrhEtVx3m1oeFAfUFG7NoQUKqr << address.
mircea_popescu: i sent a btc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 681 @ 0.00070306 = 0.4788 BTC [-]
MJR_: yep
MJR_: that is how i see it
MJR_: there is nothing anyone "should" do, they do whatever they want...the market sorts it out, but there are smarter and dumber things to do
MJR_: if you look at it from the "i kan haz monies" perspective
error4733: NO WAIT
error4733: http://pastebin.com/Kd093NQi
ThickAsThieves: heheh i'm confused, is money still needed for anonymous wallet?
pigeons: i guess not for an empty wallet
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves never was needed. just, if anyone wanted to add
mircea_popescu: i already sent a btc.
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: looks like its already out
mircea_popescu: what is ?
ThickAsThieves: that pastebin isnt?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
ThickAsThieves: none of those passes work
ThickAsThieves: or do they need to be decrypted?
gesell: how to whale watch the asks on the orderbook:
gesell: curl -s https://data.mtgox.com/api/2/BTCUSD/money/depth/full | python -c 'import sys,json;data=json.loads(sys.stdin.read()); print data["data"]["bids"]' | awk -v RS='{' '{print}' | tr -d '[]{}' | egrep "price_int': u'[1-9][0-9][0-9]{6}'," | egrep "amount': [1-9][0-9]{3}\." | awk '{print $2 $5 $6 $9 $10}' | sed "s/u'/ /g" | sed "s/[',]//g" | sort -n | cut -b 2-11 -b 18- && date +%s
pgp: anybody know how the ticker on #bitcoin-market works? seems like the most reliable ticker out there, no?
sturles: Right.. You know it would be simpler to just use python for all of this? Or awk? At least give both sed commands to the first instance, instead of forking twice just for that!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7699 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: those are actually good points.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
Scrat: pgp: it pulls data from bitcoincharts
gesell: sturles: feel free to change it. i just got lazy and actually executing python from the command line was total hell to figure out. (cant really do a "if-else" on it)
Scrat: the joy of significant whitespace languages
pgp: so bitcoincharts api was unaffected yesterday? really?
pgp: seems like many others realy in bitcoincharts were hosed yesterday...
Scrat: well why not, it's static data and you can cache it effectively
bitesak: ;;ticker
Scrat: it went down a few times
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 162.13873, Best ask: 163.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.86127, Last trade: 162.13873, 24 hour volume: 247191.76866132, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 266.00000, 24 hour vwap: 172.81754
gesell: Scrat:could always revert to perl but then i'd probably start puking involuntarily
pgp: anyone know of a historical repository for this data that doesn't require me to grab individual exchange json's from bitcoincharts for tiny intervals that won't return most of the time anyway?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pgp it was down for half the day
pgp: right, that's what I thought, but #bitcoin-market seemed to be chugging along...
pgp: eskimobob - orderbook is only avail through api... go to clarkmoody.com to see it
TradeFortress: coinbr withdraws comes directly from mpex?
TradeFortress: EskimoBob, you can also trade $0.001 USD via API but not via site :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1019 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --sell 3000
gribble: A market order to sell 3000 bitcoins right now would net 437428.6661 USD and would take the last price down to 140.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 145.8096 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 74.3326 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --buy 3000
gribble: A market order to buy 3000 bitcoins right now would take 508573.6610 USD and would take the last price up to 174.9900 USD, resulting in an average price of 169.5246 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 108.0862 seconds
unbalanced: MP, other assembled Brainiacs... Is the only alternative to Mt. Gox to switching to other traditional (centralized) exchanges, one of which will swell to 80% eventually? Or is decentralized exchange somehow possible?
mircea_popescu: unbalanced localbitcoins for instance.
pizzaman1337: yeah, what's the volume on localbitcoins anyway?
unbalanced: Yeah, OTC, localbitcoins...
mircea_popescu: also otc is a good choice.
mircea_popescu: i don't honestly think we need much more or anything other than this.
mircea_popescu: person to person bitcoin.
unbalanced: ...says the guy who expects users to grok commandline gpg
unbalanced: That's fine for a subset of users.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect users to grok commandline gpg.
mircea_popescu: i expect people who don't to have somebody who does do their investi9ng for them.
mircea_popescu: something along the lines of, "if you're too drunk to stand no way you're driving"
mircea_popescu: even if driving is kinda cool and everything.
unbalanced: agreed
mircea_popescu: and even if you drive seated not standing
mircea_popescu: and even if everything else.
unbalanced: Putting bitcoin stocks/bonds/options aside for a sec, if I just think of buying and selling bitcoins P2P... How do we put a web interface on distributed trust?
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
mircea_popescu: like that ?
TradeFortress: lol
unbalanced: That is an excellent start... but only a start. I guess that's the logical one to build on though.
unbalanced: e.g. have the bids and the asks up like a "normal" exchange but when you transact, you're not trading on an exchange, you're dealing direct with the counterparty after vetting their WOT rating, etc.
TradeFortress: unbalanced, wont work because some payment methods have higher premiums
TradeFortress: could do one for each payment method through
unbalanced: (and the dudes selling code or the gambling links are tucked aside into other tabs)
unbalanced: Who runs bitcoin-otc?
TradeFortress: nanotube
unbalanced: I see the orderbook is JSON, that's good
unbalanced: What do you guys think of Ripple? Does it accomplish this?
gesell: HOLY SHIT
gesell: wtf is this order on the ask book: u'stamp': u'1360289097384960', u'amount_int': u'100000000', u'price': 13370133701337, u'price_int': u'1337013370133700096', u'amount': 1
Scrat: its a leet order
gesell: this is some strange shit. orderboook flipping out sometimes
gesell: i guess its normal actually
gesell: a user could say they want to sell for 133713371337.00 USD
unbalanced: Gox would probably fill it under conditions like yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.29999998 = 0.6 BTC [+]
jurov: iirc bitcoin.de works that way
deadweasel: unbalanced: go build a tabbed version. tabs for payment method, tabs for gambling, dev for hire, etc...
pizzaman1337: 15.6k bets unaccounted for with S.DICE? uh oh...
mjr_: huh?
pizzaman1337: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1799509#msg1799509
TradeFortress: Yeah.
unbalanced: Are they being DDOS'd?
pizzaman1337: I don't think that's possible, the severs that handle the transactions aren't public-facing, right?
Diablo-D3: lol
Diablo-D3: sdice probably ran out of money
Diablo-D3: time to sell your stock
unbalanced: "Fire! Run for the exits..."
mircea_popescu: looking at that list pizzaman1337 it seems they mostly have profits ?
mircea_popescu: i see 10k, 13k 16k etc
mjr_: yep
pizzaman1337: yeah, it seems pretty clear that the problem is not that they ran out of money
mjr_: time to sell everyone, who cares the price
mjr_: sell sell sell
mircea_popescu: 1dice97EC 17041.91 1dice8EMZ 18319.23 etc
mjr_: shhh, no facts right now...i want to pick up sdice at .001 ;)
mircea_popescu: or are those cumulative all time ?
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: So are you going to tweak the mpoebot so it doesn't sell calls for over 1BTC?
mircea_popescu: prolly just take out those lines next month.
mircea_popescu: if it wants to charge over 1 btc per who am i to argue.
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 170.11
Bugpowder: maybe I will undercut the bot and sell for 1.05
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.
mjr_: hahaha
deadweasel: i must say, it was very nice to have the passthroughs operating normally yesterday.
deadweasel: i don't know how they did.... jurov, where did you get your vwap yesterday?
ThickAsThieves: mpex i assume
deadweasel: i thought bought was not serving an $avg
deadweasel: at least after noon EST
bitesak: it was sometimes
bitesak: but you had to get in relatively early
kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c4lqr/iama_algorithmic_and_high_frequency_trading/
kakobrekla: could be bull
kakobrekla: bull as in bullshit not bull
Bugpowder: To my best knowledge, every firm with an algorithmic/HFT division has presence in multiple Bitcoin exchanges.
Bugpowder: that part is buttshit
Bugpowder: every firm with HFT doesn't give a shit about bitcoin
kakobrekla: i havent even read it through
Bugpowder: I read enough
kakobrekla: :>
jurov: deadweasel, coinbr caches its wvap for some period if bitcoincharts returns an error
Bugpowder: probably interned somewhere
Bugpowder: wants to stir some shit
deadweasel: i see. well, cheers to caching!
kakobrekla: well the part that bother me most is 1h lag and hft
kakobrekla: more like sft
deadweasel: ^ yeah, i don't see how anything in btc could be considered HFT...
gesell: current version of whale_watchers script:
deadweasel: the infrastructure to do so successfully doesn't seem to exist yet...
gesell: $ whale_watchers.sh bids
gesell: goxlag 4.207002 seconds
gesell: 1365641026 price:110.20001 amount:1179.6732
gesell: 1365679001 price:132.77758 amount:2011.6502
gesell: 1365684834 price:130 amount:1172.13926341
gesell: 1365684902 price:120 amount:1866.58691101
gesell: 1365684937 price:100 amount:1129.38763907
gesell: 1365685100 price:110 amount:1595.50795395
gesell: 1365685337 edge:144.4/146.5
gesell: oh damnit sorry
gesell: forgot we dont have \n in these parts
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7541 = 1.5082 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> every firm with HFT doesn't give a shit about bitcoin <<< ya well, kids and clues seldom meet.
mircea_popescu: According to a Businessweek source, Foursquare netted just $2 million in revenue in 2012
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: satoshi dice made what, 70k btc.
pizzaman1337: was that it? gosh
lippoper: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.81830, Best ask: 146.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.18170, Last trade: 146.00000, 24 hour volume: 247441.18891750, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 259.98000, 24 hour vwap: 169.88239
lippoper: ;;seen krs1
gribble: krs1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 39 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <KRS1> lol
unbalanced: jurov: ah, bitcoin.de is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of, thanks!
lippoper: ;;seen krs-1
gribble: krs-1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <KRS-1> this would be a scotch day
unbalanced: I saw that a year or so ago and forgot.
unbalanced: Well, it's close. Still acts as a trustee... hrm.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.29999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
joecool: !GOXLAG
lippoper: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 49.296595 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0987898244278 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU).
unbalanced: jurov: the bitcoinforums.com SMF Trader System stuff, feedback, etc... is P2P exchange the idea of that too?
unbalanced: er, bitcoinforum.com
unbalanced: You may want to snag the plural of that domain and redirect it to the singular. Assuming it's your site... I can't keep track of all you guys.
joecool: hm
joecool: !ping
joecool: ;;ping
gribble: pong
joecool: k
jurov: unbalanced idk, ask them directly
jurov: cya later
ThickAsThieves: does $avg show the confident vwap that mpex options works from?
lippoper: $avg
mpexbot: lippoper: 167.53
taub: just hit 111 on btce
lippoper: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 125.00000, Best ask: 126.90000, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 129.00000, 24 hour volume: 257385.98098882, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 259.00000, 24 hour vwap: 167.96454
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu does $avg show the confident vwap that mpex options works from?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 167.53
mircea_popescu: $avg
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 167.53
mircea_popescu: seems so yes
lippoper: it's at 130 on gox
lippoper: err 120
KRS-1: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 142.335422 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.285238592021 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).
KRS-1: the f-
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: 100 on btc, 140 on bitfloor
error4733: on the way to 65$
error4733: end of march price
error4733: just a nice april fool for 10 days
ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical
error4733: ;;goxlax didnt help
gribble: Error: "goxlax" is not a valid command.
error4733: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 268.171906 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.537413497022 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
wao: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 282.241931 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.565609669586 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).
mircea_popescu: 65 may be a little understated
ThickAsThieves: you mean you think itll go lower?
Bugpowder: WAT?
Bugpowder: is that bad print on the volume?
Bugpowder: or real
Bugpowder: 57,000 BTC sell?
KRS-1: oh jeez
error4733: where :'(
taub: mtgox
taub: I dont know why it didnt take down price further
Bugpowder: look at the 1 minute
Bugpowder: slow 20k dump
Bugpowder: then a 20k buy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.29999998 = 1.2 BTC [+]
KRS-1: wow
Bugpowder: nobody actually saw these trades?
KRS-1: did it bottom yet
taub: how can i see these
Scrat: wall 120 done
taub: when websocket is down
taub: :|
taub: all this incompetence leaves so much room for conspiracies lol
taub: +theories
gesell: whales are gone almost
gesell: no support
taub: what feed do you watch Bugpowder
taub: clarkmoody working smoothly for you?
gesell: Bugpowder: where did you see this?
error4733: http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/widget/chart/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P122T] 1000 @ 0.07047095 = 70.471 BTC
taub: @MagicalTux> [22:43:25] <n5> pu everything into ram and everything will be ok <- new db serv has 128GB ram
taub: overkill
KRS-1: wheres the bottom
taub: write shit software, buy more hardware
taub: but at least they are doing SOMETHING
TomServo: yup
TomServo: @MagicalTux | Ad0: sweating right now
Scrat: entire db fits in 1 GB
Scrat: buy 128 GB, that oughta solve it
Scrat: derp derp herp
taub: very nice error4733
Bugpowder: its on clark moody
Bugpowder: no feeds are working well for me again
leotreasure: #bitcoin-RT
Bugpowder: Got filled at 121
Bugpowder: (buy)
ThickAsThieves: me too
Bugpowder: hedging with puts
ThickAsThieves: next floor is at 110
ThickAsThieves: then 101
damientrog: what puts are you buying?
ThickAsThieves: could be a very volatile day
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 165.16
Bugpowder: cheap ones
taub: 112, 10% spread
taub: state
KRS-1: what effect does this have on btc-e when i try to buy btc there..seems like price is behind about 10 mins..but lower in price than the charts report
gesell: two 2k whales holding at 110&100, two others at 140&180
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 165.16
KRS-1: is it going up yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1275 @ 0.0029486 = 3.7595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P134T] 30 @ 0.25 = 7.5 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: 112
KRS-1: time to make some money girls
ThickAsThieves: wheres the bot?
Scrat: cant see that 110 floor lasting for long
KRS-1: so like..i can buy at $108 on btc-e
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.13545, Best ask: 118.80000, Bid-ask spread: 4.66455, Last trade: 118.80000, 24 hour volume: 264889.76286140, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 258.50000, 24 hour vwap: 164.91260
KRS-1: scrat: meaning up or down from there?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00322 = 0.322 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: home back bot
Bugpowder: come back
Scrat: KRS-1: south
ThickAsThieves: cmon bot
mjr_: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 486.069431 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.974077697419 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).
Bugpowder: bot always goes down when you need it
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: 118
Scrat: yeah that 128 GB sure helped, lol
Bugpowder: lucky I got some
lippoper: how low will it og?
lippoper: how low will it go?
ThickAsThieves: gox's claims are all bullshit
Bugpowder: probably the bottom
Bugpowder: :)
ThickAsThieves: i really hope someone starts aggresively buying
ThickAsThieves: asks are so thin
KRS-1: people are greedy..they just waiting.
Bugpowder: I am trying to get filled
KRS-1: lets hope for $65
Bugpowder: I got bids all the way down
taub: i dont think we're gonna get below 50
taub: but 100-70 seems likely
ThickAsThieves: 111.50
ThickAsThieves: gox website hanging
taub: 1:1 extention of the first downmove lands it at $29
taub: oh boy
ThickAsThieves: i dont know what that means
wao: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 506.639759 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.01530040441 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).
Guest54898: fear the reaper...
ThickAsThieves: bitocin charts is working
ThickAsThieves: bot is not
ThickAsThieves: soooooo?
lippoper: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.80000, Best ask: 122.98700, Bid-ask spread: 4.18700, Last trade: 122.98700, 24 hour volume: 267142.03759412, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 258.50000, 24 hour vwap: 164.36507
KRS-1: keeps going up eh
deadweasel: $avg
mpexbot: deadweasel: 165.16
taub: are you expecting a rapid change?
ThickAsThieves: oh geez, check this out
taub: you keep doing that
ThickAsThieves: on gox
ThickAsThieves: "Market cooldown, order placing suspended until 2013-04-12 11:00:00 UTC"
ThickAsThieves: wtf is that shit
ThickAsThieves: where were they yesterday
ThickAsThieves: lol
KRS-1: more sells after that im sure
mircea_popescu: ahahaha whaT!
ThickAsThieves: i'm not joking
deadweasel: WOW
taub: well
taub: at least
deadweasel: wow
taub: mtgox is killing itself
taub: better than any ddos
pizzaman1337: self dos
Scrat: ahahahahah
mircea_popescu: heh.
ThickAsThieves: what. the. fuck.
taub: you gox'd it
gesell: this is exxcellent
Scrat: shadenfreude
gesell: taub: lul
Bugpowder: what did i misssss?
mircea_popescu: so i am guessing next is the announcement of "mpoe-pr was right all along, we were running fractional reserve,
gesell: gox taking a break?
mircea_popescu: all your coins are lost, sorry, we're gone"
ThickAsThieves: [10:07] <ThickAsThieves> on gox
ThickAsThieves: [10:07] <ThickAsThieves> "Market cooldown, order placing suspended until 2013-04-12 11:00:00 UTC"
gesell: oh you guys are just joking
gesell: damn
Bugpowder: what?
ThickAsThieves: not joking gesell
ThickAsThieves: want a screenshot?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves put it on dtng
Bugpowder: fucking circuitbreakers
taub: wouldnt be surprised mp... they have been spewing some incompetent shit in their announcments
Bugpowder: FUCK
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder not a circuit breaker.
mircea_popescu: they weren't "circuit breaking" yest's runup either.
Bugpowder: there it is
Bugpowder: just tried to place on
Bugpowder: one
Bugpowder: market cooldown
Bugpowder: Market cooldown, order placing suspended until 2013-04-12 02:00:00 UTC
Bugpowder: that is fucked
mircea_popescu: is it 2 utc or 11 utc ?
gesell: oh internet, i love you so
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: gox disappears and price goes up
ThickAsThieves: not bad
taub: it was rising on mtgox too before they shut down
jcpham: i trust weexchange.co but you'll have to make the market
ThickAsThieves: bot still down
leotreasure: ;;goxlag
jcpham: not even sure if public
jcpham: verification you upload the docs yourself
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.735291 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00347750373471 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
taub: how is it lagging without trades?
lippoper: heard they were taking it offline for server upgrades
deadweasel: weex was $400 to buy yesterday!
deadweasel: $140 to sell
deadweasel: :)
leotreasure: so is mtgox offline atm?
ThickAsThieves: trading is off
taub: they are bullshitting you, how is there lag
mircea_popescu: wb all
taub: lag counter is directly derived from orders...
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.222528 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00244993242389 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
taub: maybe people canceling orders
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 230820 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1019 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9084557.01163 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.39642
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 68695.4140799
ThickAsThieves: mp, why no bot?
mircea_popescu: cuz no data ?
ThickAsThieves: thought it was from bitcoincharts
ThickAsThieves: its up
mircea_popescu: yeah.
ThickAsThieves: been up
mircea_popescu: well what can i tell you. bot has to get it.
Bugpowder: all the bids are going to be vaporized when we come up
Bugpowder: This could be fun
Bugpowder: cancelled all buys down to 52
Bugpowder: hopefully the 52 and below will get filled
ThickAsThieves: right, why would anyone leave current bids up
mircea_popescu: mtgox has no business being involved in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: this much is clear.
Bugpowder: well
Bugpowder: I'm leaving some up for the possible crash and rebound bounce
ThickAsThieves: so now is the outside market gonna use gox orderbook for reference? hehe, ...
Bugpowder: lol
gesell: MagicalTux: "So, today I would like to inform everyone that DDoS that began earlier in the day was quickly mitigated by our new hardware upgrades. These included adding another Linux server with 128GB of memory! to our already existing Pentium Pro servers. However, despite these improvements once again our own suscess caused a massive sell off as tons of new users added to MTGox decided to crash the market by not buying any bitcoin"
gesell: "Due to this continued success we will be suspending the exchange for a few hours so that everyone has time to open a bottle of chapagne"
ThickAsThieves: lol
TomServo: brilliant.
ThickAsThieves: wheres that from?
gesell: me.
gesell: just tired of this
ThickAsThieves: goodun
mircea_popescu: what are you serious ?
ThickAsThieves: i guess this is good for the market
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: maybe if they live without gox for a day
ThickAsThieves: we can reroute the bloodflow
mircea_popescu: this is a good point.
taub: However, despite these improvements once again our own suscess caused a massive sell off as tons of new users added to MTGox decided to crash the market by not buying any bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: hopefully they reopen and nobody goes back.
taub: did he really write that?
taub: what a nitwit
taub: i cant believe it
mircea_popescu: taub nah it's a spoof
ThickAsThieves: its jokes taub
taub: good grief
taub: thanks
ThickAsThieves: but still
ThickAsThieves: dont be surprised
Scrat: taub: u dun goofed
mircea_popescu: the funny part is where everybody readily mistakes it for the original.
taub: could've been him lol
ThickAsThieves: if their next statement mirrors that
Namworld: he did halt trading on MtGox tho
taub: yea
Bugpowder: is the order book updating to show cancellations?
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: sadly
ThickAsThieves: at least not the one on clarkmoody
deadweasel: I've been pointing to the bitcon-otc order book to everyone freaking on bitcointalk.org..
deadweasel: hopefully they see that they can still trade.
mircea_popescu: hopefully.
mircea_popescu: if mtgox never comes back it will be too soon.
gesell: sorry
gesell: He did not write that
gesell: I wrote it
ThickAsThieves: too believable!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00069713 = 5.5073 BTC [-]
gesell: put it on redit (as a lie)
gesell: my possition is still all held in BTC, still. But I dont care, this has to change
Bugpowder: Guys its cool
Bugpowder: (2013/4/11) Market Cooldown: Orders will not be accepted for the moment as we need to upgrade our database to accommodate the trading volume. However, you may still cancel your pending and open orders. Trading will resume at 11.00 am JST.
Bugpowder: just a planned outage
Bugpowder: order book is updating
Bugpowder: watch the bids melt
Bugpowder: ;;bids 0
ThickAsThieves: where>
Bugpowder: bitcoinity
gribble: There are currently 92569212 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 7168972.79161 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0081 seconds
gesell: wow, people on reddit are pretty gulable
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinity shows an orderbook?
ThickAsThieves: i'm missing out
ThickAsThieves: i thought it only shows last trades
Namworld: lol... orderbook melts...
Namworld: huge crash impending....
Bugpowder: oh boy oh boy
Namworld: so much for trying to stop the crash...
Bugpowder: i'm gonna get filled
Bugpowder: at 51
Bugpowder: I can feel it
ThickAsThieves: how do i see orderbook on bitcoinity?
Namworld: yeah. Neat getting filled
Bugpowder: hmm
Bugpowder: should have kept the 72
lippoper: ;;asks 72
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 72.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.1812 seconds
Bugpowder: Dip might be very fast
lippoper: aren't you being optimistic?
Bugpowder: price is holding up on other ex
KRS-1: think this will be permanent or is this our new reality never to see > $100 again
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball will we see 100 again
gribble: It is so.
ThickAsThieves: there ya go
lippoper: ;;eightball will we see 200 again?
gribble: No chance.
KRS-1: lol
ThickAsThieves: lol
Scrat: gribble :(
soypirate: so much for gribble's magic eightball
lippoper: lol
KRS-1: f'n eightball
lippoper: ;;eightball will the market stabilize around $150?
gribble: Come again?
ThickAsThieves: face or chest?
lippoper: Come again?
error4733: ;;eightball Pirate40 refund every1
gribble: NO!
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Will options bot resume before Gox does?
gribble: NO.
pizzaman1337: aw
lippoper: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: knew it
Namworld: ;;eightball Will we see 1 cent per BTC this month?
gribble: Maybe...
KRS-1: ;;eightball does Lippoper have any chance of getting laid?
gribble: You're kidding, right?
Namworld: ;;eightball Will we see 1 USD per BTC this month then?
gribble: It is possible.
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball will my C200s have any value this month?
gribble: No chance.
Namworld: ;;eightball Does the bubble pops?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Namworld: I love eightball
lippoper: ;;eightball and anyone, should I buy in at $100/btc ?
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball is mircea and mpoe-pr the same person
gribble: I doubt it very much.
Namworld: eightball is very accurate overall
ThickAsThieves: ;;eighbtall are you sure?
gribble: Error: "eighbtall" is not a valid command.
lippoper: ;;eightball Should I buy in at $100/btc ?
Namworld: 90% accuracy. So much for generic statements
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Are you sure?
gribble: No.
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball will you be my trading consultant?
gribble: In your dreams.
lippoper: ;;eightball Are you sure, I shouldn't buy in at $100/btc ?
gribble: No.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
error4733: ;;eightball will satoshi nakatomo come back one day ?
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
lippoper: ;;eightball so I should buy in at $100 per btc, right?
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
ThickAsThieves: too many answers
error4733: ;;eightball can i trust you ?
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
kakobrekla: ok fellas cut the crap now
gesell: "eightball: satoshi will arrive in a cloud of glory and be welcome by all with eculiptus leaves IF mtgox lag is <120.000 ELSE he will come with vengeance and scorn and smite all those that placed their faith in the magic of the tux"
error4733: ;;eightball satoshi will arrive in a cloud of glory and be welcome by all with eculiptus leaves IF mtgox lag is <120.000 ELSE he will come with vengeance and scorn and smite all those that placed their faith in the magic of the tux
gribble: Of course.
gesell: ;;eightball WILL satoshi will arrive in a cloud of glory and be welcome by all with eculiptus leaves IF mtgox lag is <120.000 ELSE he will come with vengeance and scorn and smite all those that placed their faith in the magic of the tux?
gribble: Obviously.
gesell: cool
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 5.763025 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.011549037574 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its second largest moon, Callisto (0.012567 AU).
lippoper: how many hours until Gox is back online?
kakobrekla: gox lagging while doing nothing, cute
Bugpowdurr: all those cancellations need to update the other ordrs
Bugpowdurr: for funded status
Bugpowdurr: most likely
kakobrekla: bids have not changed drastically
mircea_popescu: lmao the bot really likes the volatility.
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 160.59
punkman: http://images.plus613.net/images/2/e/f/7/www_plus613_net_polarTube.jpg
KRS-1: what do the order books look like
punkman: ^^
Bugpowdurr: your bot is retarrrrrded
joecool: lippoper: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130412T02&year=2013&month=4&day=12&hour=2&min=0&sec=0&msg=MtGox%20Starts%20Trading&csz=1
ThickAsThieves: ...
lippoper: These stupid bots, keep buying for decimal points higher, then the price increases super slowly, and others sell much lower, then bot panic sells and the other bots make this shit worse, it's like microphone feedback when you have more than one mic in the room.
deadweasel: btc-e is selling just above 100
ThickAsThieves: so
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.49 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: all of the sudden
ThickAsThieves: the bot thinks 68 is the best breakeven?
ThickAsThieves: for puts
mircea_popescu: $depth p500t
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P500T Bids: ['1000 @ 2.11888746']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 19.24887621']
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1 / 20.2488
gribble: 0.049385642606
mircea_popescu: 49 even
ThickAsThieves: not what i meant
ThickAsThieves: lowest risk break even
mircea_popescu: $avg
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 160.46
mircea_popescu: $depth p161t
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P161T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.13213399']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 1.79400702']
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 161 / 2.794
gribble: 57.6234788833
mircea_popescu: 57
ThickAsThieves: P116
lippoper: 84 currently
ThickAsThieves: anywho
ThickAsThieves: thats quite a change
mircea_popescu: it obviously didn't like the drop
ThickAsThieves: doesnt seem to be so averse to spikes?
taub: 76
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 340 @ 0.0032 = 1.088 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 120.00000, Best ask: 123.40098, Bid-ask spread: 3.40098, Last trade: 120.00000, 24 hour volume: 262114.69964268, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 255.00000, 24 hour vwap: 162.35695
mircea_popescu: lalaal
lippoper: $70
taub: looks like btc from gox just hit btce
lippoper: $65
KRS-1: rubbing my eyes
KRS-1: when to buy..when to buy...
lippoper: It would pretty much be impossible to come back from this
lippoper: All of the idiots thinking Anonymous hacked Mt.Gox is causing everyone to sell everything.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7551 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.755 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mtgox must go.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7541 BTC [-]
taub: yep
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75402 BTC [-]
lippoper: Sell now before they get your account info and make off with your money, they are saying.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.753 = 4.518 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.75202 = 1.504 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75201 BTC [-]
KRS-1: what do the order books look like
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.751 = 1.502 BTC [-]
lippoper: and the sheeple are selling
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7501 BTC [-]
KRS-1: it was the sheeple that put the price where it was
deadweasel: let them sell
ThickAsThieves: btc-e at 85
pigeons: ;;ticker --currency CAD
gribble: BTCCAD ticker | Best bid: 118.89825, Best ask: 125.32470, Bid-ask spread: 6.42645, Last trade: 114.00000, 24 hour volume: 903.89633115, 24 hour low: 106.20810, 24 hour high: 254.66214, 24 hour vwap: 167.03981
pigeons: oh nevermind thats gox
pigeons: doing pretty well at virtex
ColdHardMetal: chicken little has entered the building.
KRS-1: going back up on btc-e
Doffx: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 120.00000
lippoper: that's because btc-e implemented a verification process in order to stop the Goxers from panic selling all of their BTC on there.
topace|2: so wait, mtgox halted trading to "let things cool off" ?
ThickAsThieves: tahts their new line yeah
mjr_: halted trading?
ThickAsThieves: "Trading is halted until 2013-04-12 02:00am UTC to allow the market to cooldown following the drop in price. Read more details on the support."
ThickAsThieves: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/21519569-Market-Cooldown-for-12-hours
topace|2: thats rediculous
Doffx: Wow, thats so bad.
topace|2: "we have lots of money held in bitcoins, so we dont want the price to go down anymore, so we're halting trading"
ThickAsThieves: i doubt thats it
taub: the worst is that they think it helps
ThickAsThieves: they dont care about price value
taub: if they think price is irrational they should buy up themselves
taub: isntead of holding trading
Doffx: Yeah, why would they need to
Doffx: The users bring the money and btc
lippoper: well, bigger price value == more money in exchange fees, same percentage, bigger cuts.
Doffx: They shouldnt have to carry much on hand
mircea_popescu: topace|2 fractional reserve ftw.
pigeons: of course it has nothing to do with price, all to do with lack of techrastructure
topace|2: pigeons: of course
topace|2: heh
punkman: someone should halt MagicalTux from talking
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.0
mircea_popescu: ;;title
gribble: (title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
ThickAsThieves: i think the problem is they simply made too much money to give a shit about anything
mircea_popescu: ;;title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.0
taub: hilarious how people go DONT SELL Y OU ARE KILLING IT on the btce chat
gribble: PSA: Bitcoin's survival and long term prospects depend on MtGox getting killed.
taub: if we all close our eyes maybe it wont happen!
Scrat: btc-e is great entertainment right now
Scrat: btc-e chat*
mircea_popescu: that;s right gribble boy.
error4733: 59€ on BTC 24
damientrog: it's crashing spectacularly on BTC-24
taub: "pice of shit scamsite"
taub: hahah
pigeons: there hasn't been a buying opportunity like this in several days!!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ever since last week!1
pigeons: where's max?
mircea_popescu: pigeons keiser ? he's crying like a leetal bitch.
ChaangNoi: ?
gesell: no worries, max keiser is going to save us
ChaangNoi: gox shut down for 36 hours?
ChaangNoi: at least that will stop the weekend dip, lol
DeaDTerra: 10 Hours
taub: people will just rush to other exchanges...
taub: you can still withdraw
DeaDTerra: Bitstamp is currently trading at 79$
gesell: ChaangNoi: where are you seing this 36 h?
ChaangNoi: 79$ !
taub: this is like open outcry ;)
jborkl_: Trading is halted until 2013-04-12 02:00am UTC to allow the market to cooldown following the drop in price. Read more details on the support. Additionally trading fees will not be charged within 48 hours of trading resuming (until 2013-04-14 02:00am UTC).
ChaangNoi: i might have failed at maths
mircea_popescu: <taub> you can still withdraw <<< you can still withdraw YET
mircea_popescu: once they run out of reserves what happens ?
error4733: LTC 1.5$ hahaha
taub: why you think they run fractional reserve tho?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12586 @ 0.00070215 = 8.8373 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because they ran in the red for very very long.
ChaangNoi: $79.. that is some panic selling i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4019 @ 0.00070306 = 2.8256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7187 @ 0.00071567 = 5.1435 BTC [+]
punkman: there was $70 on bitstamp for a moment yesterday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00071589 = 6.1567 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: time for a rehash of http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
mircea_popescu: i guess.
DeaDTerra: and Bitstamps down...
DeaDTerra: chaotic...
jborkl_: btc e 68
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 40 @ 0.27621517 = 11.0486 BTC [-]
taub: dont think i can recommend bitfloor yet
taub: i love their fee structure, but they are too instable and small time
gesell: think about this for one second: even if there were enough people wanting to buy at this low price, they wont even be able to because of the time it takes to wire money in to another exchange. However, those wanting to sell can get their BTC more easily to another exchange. So for the next 24h, it will be a sellers market on
mircea_popescu: gesell pretty much
Doffx: You know mircea_popescu, I think the loss people may or may not get tells the lesson much better than calling people newbs.
error4733: bid @ 43.09127
error4733: ask @ 53.00000
mircea_popescu: Doffx i think so too.
error4733: € on BTC 24 WTFFFFFF
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C116T] 20 @ 0.18251672 = 3.6503 BTC [+]
damientrog: damn I wish funds left on btc-24 to buy
KRS-1: tjos os ficled i[
KRS-1: !!
joecool: Doffx: where's the fun in that though?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+]
mjr_: so mt gox has suspended trading?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.3 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.31 = 4.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.31 = 6.2 BTC [+]
Doffx: I dont know, I dont find fun in telling people I told you so either.
error4733: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKzymtAVBqg
KRS-1: mjr: yep
mircea_popescu: Doffx somebody has to.
KRS-1: til tom
ChaangNoi: man... this is insane
Doffx: No, nobody has to.
gesell: suprisingnly the volume on bitcoin-24 still seems level
mircea_popescu: Doffx if everybody shuns this responsibility we just get us-style systemic failurer.
mircea_popescu: "nobody has to tell americans they're lazy stupid and fat"
Doffx: Educating people, and building each other nets better results, but we never do that.
mircea_popescu: just let them fritter away into nothingness and then starve. sure.
bgupta: mircea_popescu: So you've called folks out for having price too high and not selling. Is there a plan for the inverse? "Guys bitcoin should not be selling below $2, please stop selling." ;)
mircea_popescu: Doffx THIS is education. education begins and ends with telling stupid people they are stupid
mircea_popescu: and forcing them to interiorise this, AGAINST their will.
mircea_popescu: that's education.
gesell: this is healthy
ThickAsThieves: 59 at btc-e
Doffx: Sigh.. you assume they are stupid, and not just caught up in some weird BTC euphoria, emotion trumps rational thought.
gesell: but i have to take a break
gesell: ciao
mircea_popescu: Doffx that is stupid.
mircea_popescu: the very definition of stupid.
ThickAsThieves: euphoria is the stupod
ThickAsThieves: shouldve been a warning sign
mircea_popescu: bgupta heh. it will find its level.
ThickAsThieves: 80 at bitfloor
gtlz: lol
lippoper: 55
lippoper: on btc-e
joecool: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 8.984516 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0180048694683 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin one full loop along the orbit of the Moon around Earth (0.016 AU).
joecool: it lags while doing nothing
evoorhees: hey guys, ready for another crazy day on the markets? lol
error4733: haha sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27000101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.270001 = 0.54 BTC [-]
error4733: good for S.dice !
Doffx: They stopped the market!
Doffx: Now that is "Stupid"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.26013001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.26013 = 0.5203 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.26011 BTC [-]
pigeons: evoorhees: i was reading about a backlog of satoshi dice payouts, what's that all about?
error4733: *opening curtain, looking at sky first time since 10 days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.26013001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.26011 = 0.5202 BTC [-]
ChaangNoi: btc-e changed from user name to e-mail... i used some random e-mail and i dont know what it is, cant log in... fail...
lippoper: that's what happens lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.26013001 BTC [+]
lippoper: GEM from BTC-E chat: "schicksal: MtGox has been suspended by the local japanese authorities for the past 24 hours for inquiry into money laundering via BTC"
evoorhees: pigeons - the site is hung up for an hour or so, that might be what you're refering to
evoorhees: we're resetting here shortly
evoorhees: (all bets will process as normal)
pigeons: thanks
ChaangNoi: lippoper dont quote the troll box here, lol
error4733: omg from btc e trollbox ? quick, SELL
lippoper: ChaangNoi, I forgot to put my ROFL after the quote
ChaangNoi: :)
lippoper: but seriously FoxNews planned this? How do they have a story already out? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/11/bitcoin-electronic-cash-beloved-by-hackers/
lippoper: "Just days ago the total value of bitcoins in circulation hit $2 billion, up from a tiny fraction of that last year. But late Wednesday, Bitcoin crashed, shedding more than 60 percent of its value in the space of a few hours before recouping some of its losses. Critics say the roller coaster currency movements are just another sign that Bitcoin is a bubble waiting to burst."
mircea_popescu: takes five minutes to type something into the box.
lippoper: "On Tuesday, the price of a single bitcoin had topped $200. On Wednesday, it hit $266 before a flash crash dragged it back down to just over $100. By Thursday, bitcoins were trading for around $150."
lippoper: I guess so
lippoper: "Some may wonder whether Caldwell's coins will one day be among the few physical reminders of an expensive fad that evaporated into the ether -- perhaps the result of a breakdown in its electronic architecture, or maybe after a crackdown by government regulators."
lippoper: so from 260 -> 150 -> 50
lippoper: in the last 2 days
kakobrekla: you can skip the 150
ThickAsThieves: usagi poking the dragon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112876.msg1804012#msg1804012
ChaangNoi: tiberslav!
Namworld: What an EPIC bubble
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7442 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7441 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.744 BTC [-]
taub: when is 2am utc?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7431 BTC [-]
taub: 12 hours?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.74 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.74 = 8.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7351 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: like 10
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.735 = 3.675 BTC [-]
taub: kk
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.73 = 2.92 BTC [-]
taub: right when i sleep crap
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.729 = 3.645 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.729 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: [11:47] <+amphipod> Apr11 15:46:30 ripple 0.0001 @ 149.99482125 USD
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.728 = 3.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.727 = 3.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.7261 = 4.3566 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72602 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.725 = 4.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00104 BTC [-]
deadweasel: $avg
mpexbot: deadweasel: 156.12
ColdHardMetal: the worst thing is going to be reading all the "I told you so" posts all over the internet.
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 120.00000, Best ask: 123.40098, Bid-ask spread: 3.40098, Last trade: 120.00000, 24 hour volume: 258375.90467927, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 246.94000, 24 hour vwap: 161.16211
mircea_popescu: ColdHardMetal i got mine done early :p
ChaangNoi: at least a got a good box of cigars out of this bubble:)
ThickAsThieves: lol
ColdHardMetal: mp: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 14 @ 0.001033 = 0.0145 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: gox closing for 1 day is like a master stroke
ThickAsThieves: cash is stuck just long enough
ThickAsThieves: btc is freely movable
ColdHardMetal: already sold those coins Chaang, so we're both in good shape :)
ThickAsThieves: all that can happen is sell
pgp2: holy fuck - afk for 2 hours and this is what happens...
Scrat: pgp2: lol
ThickAsThieves: bitfloor not trading
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-central still is (euro)
mircea_popescu: pgp2 must stay glued to monityor nao
ThickAsThieves: good thing i have btc that just got there....
ChaangNoi: CHM i hoe you sold at $250
bgupta: So curious.. all the sites that are helping to facilitate RL commerce using btx, seem to rely on exchange values to help set spot exchange rates.. How will these sites operate.. e.g - bitpay
mircea_popescu: bgupta don't ask ;/
mircea_popescu: when i say mtgox is bitcoin's #1 enemy, i mean it.
mircea_popescu: they've single handedly fucked up everything.
ColdHardMetal: Chaang: nah, nothing quite that high, but still well in the money.
ChaangNoi: funny how btc-e a russian mob site is the large btc usd exchange in operation in the whole world... right now...
mircea_popescu: again.
taub: ;;title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173201.0
taub: :c
gribble: mtgox under Distributed Denial of Competence attack
gtlz: lol ^
mircea_popescu: lol
unbalanced: Virtex dropped to 65 and now up to 100 again
pgp2: ;; goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 10.913419 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0218703694833 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
pgp2: irc from a cell phone... not so great...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P140T] 3 @ 0.08275503 = 0.2483 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: a drop from 265 to 105 is no sweat, but you go from 150 to 120 and its time to halt trading
error4733: 75K news users in 10 days, if you compare to 100K for ALL 2012, some ppl on MTgox shit some brick atm
jborkl_: btce down now
Scrat: lol, everything is down
jcpham: we gave up on the exchanges
mjr_: yeah
jcpham: otc price is 120
pgp2: what a joke
mjr_: that seems to be the real price
jcpham: if anyone is interested
mjr_: around 120 i think
jcpham: we seem to have agrred on that
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jcpham way to go.
jcpham: i've been saying for a long time -otc shouldn't exactly base their trades off the ticker
jcpham: seems like a good excuse now
joecool: we don't
jcpham: these exchanges are fucked
mircea_popescu: anyway, deposits flushed.
ColdHardMetal: I keep seeing exchanges scroll by on -market I've never even heard of before.
pgp2: maybe we should meetup in regional public places and start some open outcry pit trading..
ColdHardMetal: any fiat'll do apparently.
jcpham: the price is what sellers say it is
error4733: BTC E up, F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5
jcpham: if the counterparty agrees to it, that's the price
taub: i think this will be a long hurtful downtrend
joecool: gribble *can* base off gox, but majority of trades I do get agreed upon on trade-by-trade
taub: not a quick v dip
taub: the 2011 crash took almost two years to recover
joecool: taub: things were a lot different in 2011
mjr_: YES open outcry FTW
mjr_: eh, i think we will see gox finally go down
mjr_: and people get some good exchanges
mjr_: that actually are professional
joecool: k
taub: lets hope so
taub: i want a 0% exchange that isn't exploitable >:D
joecool: in the meanwhile MT is sweating and eating pizza while people panic
joecool: :D
mjr_: i cannot believe that fucking they said "we are a victim of our own success, look at our impressive numbers"
taub: yes
taub: they have to put some japanese people into pr
joecool: mircea_popescu: maybe you should do a post about his diet, https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/322317865443274752/photo/1
pgp2: douche bags
Namworld: the MtGox orderbook is MELTING
taub: and be a bit humbler... how about a "we are very sorry"
Namworld: it's just funny
mjr_: they are halted
mjr_: what would their order book be good for?
pgp2: bitfloor back up?
mjr_: we are sorry for doing serious damage to an amazing community due to our incompetence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00069713 = 1.7428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00069712 = 1.3942 BTC [-]
mjr_: that would be a nice start
Namworld: they're mostly damaging the speculators tho...
mjr_: true
Namworld: And I say good riddance
Scrat: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/303178594283298817/photo/1
Scrat: is he boasting?
ChaangNoi: coinlab will replace gox sorta?
mircea_popescu: joecool obviously makes a body smart.
mjr_: i agree...to some extent, but press is not gonna be good
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> we are sorry for doing serious damage to an amazing community due to our incompetence <<< that.
Scrat: Namworld: is there an up to date gox orderbook?
mjr_: bitfinex is still up trading around 120 as well
mircea_popescu: you gave us 1mn a month+ for the past coupla months, we fucked it all up.
Namworld: yes, clarkmoody and bitcoincharts
Namworld: they update
taub: lmao bitfinex still trading?
pgp2: 82 on bitfloor
Namworld: it's only placing new orders that's suspended
taub: because mtgox is still quoting 120
mjr_: 99 on bitfloor i see
mircea_popescu: taub taht'll be the amusement of the weekend, stuff like bitfinex
Namworld: FFFUUUUCCCCKKK
Namworld: My PUTS
Namworld: they sold!
mjr_: Trade with confidence on the world's largest Bitcoin exchange!
mjr_: ^^Really?
pigeons: bitfinex is not routing orders to gox, only internally, bid 110 ask 148
Scrat: russia saves the day
mjr_: love the russians today
mjr_: have to appreciate mpex and people who use it
mjr_: no dumping of stocks
mjr_: prices steady
pgp2: and bitfinex will liquidate margin positions based on those spreads - lol
Namworld: fuck
mjr_: yeah people losing their shirts today
Namworld: fuckfuckfuck
Namworld: I want my puts back lol
mjr_: though i see it as 130/130
mjr_: on BFX
mjr_: buy buy buy on bitfloor lol
pigeons: mjr_: wait for the actual bids and asks to load, don't just look at the suggestion
mjr_: i am looking directly at the order book
pigeons: bid 106 ask 148
mjr_: 122/122
splnkr: btce back to 100
ColdHardMetal: I doubt anyone was really set up for it, but some pretty sick arb spots today.
mjr_: or you can look directly at the trades
mjr_: public trades history- last: 122.1
splnkr: ColdHardMetal: are you including MtGox's frozen book?
splnkr: i don't see a lot of arb if not…and if so it's illusory
pigeons: mjr_: my bad, i was reading them reverse order
mircea_popescu: Namworld it srsly doesn't look like it;'s going to go down too badly.
mircea_popescu: were your puts high ?
ColdHardMetal: spinkr: nope.
splnkr: oh i see what you mean, at certain points in the day…looks like there are some actors maybe doing it then
Namworld: 134
Namworld: well they sold for 0.25, decent
Namworld: But not if I can't get more and it keeps crashing...
Namworld: the MtGox mess might hurt BTC badly
ColdHardMetal: could be even better when taking synthetic rates into consideration. you'd need a lot of data at hand to make that work though.
Namworld: I think I could have gotten more for them tho...
Namworld: Either way I sold BTC at 250, sold some puts. So much BTC profit
Namworld: I can buyback BTC-BOND in full pretty much
mjr_: lol, its becoming a meme "victim of their own success"
mjr_: ...
Namworld: Without selling anything from my portfolio
mircea_popescu: do you know who else was a victim of his own success ?
mircea_popescu: hitler.
mircea_popescu: hitler was a victim of his own success.
mircea_popescu: also saddam hussein was a victim of his own success
mircea_popescu: and that osama guy.
mjr_: do they not realize how easy it would have been to limit trades to 1 btc units? poof there goes prob OVER 90% of your volume, maybe you could handle that
mjr_: that is why most exchanges don't really allow odd lots for everyone
pigeons: thats what virwox did until the recent value increase, now they allow .1 increments
mjr_: well...it is super obvious
mjr_: i don't think they will get the chance to remedy their stupidity
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 13510 @ 0.0027 = 36.477 BTC [-]
Namworld: I think earnings... people had lots of calls before the crash I think
deadweasel: if they weren't exercised
deadweasel: 227 was last vwap... so any that don't break even there would be profit for mpe
deadweasel: x
error4733: Sick, 6.5K sold just before MtGox close "hey dude, we gonna switch off for 12h, sold buddy !"
error4733: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/btceUSD#rg2zig30-minztgSza1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 425 @ 0.0029486 = 1.2532 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: error4733 nasty.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173512.0 lol
Namworld: With my gains, I think I should repay my debt
Namworld: and put some aside for longterm...
Namworld: I got plenty left to trade too
Namworld: I think some BTC-BOND holders might be sad tho... they liked my bond...
pgp: mt gox is really not going to trade for the next 9.5 hours... am I reading that right?
thepuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 120.00000, Best ask: 123.40098, Bid-ask spread: 3.40098, Last trade: 120.00000, 24 hour volume: 253681.25852100, 24 hour low: 105.00000, 24 hour high: 236.61711, 24 hour vwap: 159.80297
error4733: pgp, yes
TomServo: pgp: that's the word on the street
mircea_popescu: pgp yes
thepuller: ;;asks 170
gribble: There are currently 6396.6254 bitcoins offered at or under 170.0 USD, worth 963814.770931 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds
splnkr: does any other exchange do that?
mircea_popescu: no.
thepuller: ;;bids 100
gribble: There are currently 9319.4263 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 999793.039756 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.8258 seconds
pgp: beyond the pale...
thepuller: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 92501115 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 6073925.62664 USD in total. | Data vintage: 38.0100 seconds
Namworld: the bids orderbook is melting while people are waiting to be able to sell...
Namworld: This is going to get ugly...
thepuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 6.568517 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0131632345232 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its second largest moon, Callisto (0.012567 AU).
bgupta: bids orderbook?
Namworld: Major lag when gox comes back
bgupta: otc?
thepuller: Gox is down?
bgupta: oh
Namworld: no, the bids orderbook on Gox
pgp: is gox processing BTC withdrawls?
mircea_popescu: while supplies last.
splnkr: yeah…moved my funds off yesterday when they got all dicey with the order lag. can't be having that
thepuller: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
splnkr: i'm on the hook for about $10 if they evaporate
splnkr: =D
thepuller: Lol
thepuller: Me too
bgupta: down to "cool the market" funny they didn't do that on the way up. :) Also they claim they will be upgrading to a larger server. (A larger server!! Wow!! Perhaps we can get them a mainframe, because distributed computing hasn't been invented yet.)
splnkr: "servers"
splnkr: lol
thepuller: Hahahanaha
thepuller: Looks like mi
error4733: POPCORN time !
splnkr: coming soon, MtSplnkr from my home server
TomServo: bgupta: dude, it's probably like a whole 4U server too
thepuller: mircea_popescu is gox finally getting their shit together?
pgp: commodore 64 to and apple IIe
thepuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 152.87
mircea_popescu: thepuller nope
thepuller: Waah the bitcoin world is ending
thepuller: Lol
bgupta: the said they were upgrading to a 128GB RAM machine.. that's a 2U server
mircea_popescu: mtgox;d better be ending,.
Scrat: Apr11 16:38:39 mtgox 4.0000 @ 123.40098 USD
Scrat: what
splnkr: a lot has changed since "July 2011"
bgupta: Might even be able to get a 1U server with 128GB
TomServo: you can, I was kidding
mircea_popescu: splnkr yea, for some values of a lot that are nothing at all.
Scrat: there was a gox trade just now
Scrat: unless amphipod is trolling
Namworld: ok, who wants to buy some puts and at what price?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.54 = 3.08 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: scrat that trade shows on mtgox.com too
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so then not quite as down as all that ?
splnkr: lol "we're going offline for 12 hours, wait i mean 1.2 hours"
TomServo: those decimals can be sneaky
ThickAsThieves: it was the only trade
ThickAsThieves: maybe they rebooted and one snuck in
mjr_: i wonder whats going on at that office right now
TomServo: mjr_: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/322317865443274752/photo/1
Scrat: mjr_: pride
error4733: MtGox is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get
mjr_: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: ya, except they're monty pythion chocolates
mircea_popescu: fried bug praline
splnkr: in other news, MtGox USD Coupon codes are no longer a thing
splnkr: "deprecated" today!
mjr_: that was announced a while ago, right?
splnkr: yep
ThickAsThieves: at least we know there's a good chance he'll die painfully from a hear attack
mjr_: that smacks of fractional reserve
ThickAsThieves: heart*
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it does./
mjr_: ugh...i almost wouldn't mind the illiquidity if they would just go away
splnkr: what would the ideal exchange situation be like? right now it's like we have regional and fragmented and scattered ones
splnkr: we can see the weaknesses of centralization at this point i'd say....
splnkr: but there needs to be some critical mass for there to be volume
splnkr: since lag is such an issue, regional exchanges make some sense
ThickAsThieves: maybe ripple isnt so crazy
error4733: this
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]
splnkr: well ripple is cool for what it is, but it isn't "digital cash" in the same way bitcoin is either
mjr_: hmmm...irrational exuberance, and then irrational panic
error4733: no yet, but the all idea behind is nice
mjr_: from what i can see...not one thing has materially changed about bitcoin in the last few days...
pigeons: hahaha like that ever matters
mjr_: not even a hack this time...
splnkr: if's for the bills and janes of the world that all owe each other small sums…in other words personas they used to design the service that don't really exist =P
splnkr: s/if's/it's
mjr_: though think of it..."we crashed the market back in 2011, and we did it again in 2013, care to trade?"
splnkr: but yeah the Ripple apporach maybe could work to make better exchange algorithms
Scrat: the old ripple concept
Scrat: not ripple.com
Scrat: centrally issued currency no thanks
jcpham: mircea_popescu i have just now stumbled on your twitter
jcpham: i am laughing loudly
mircea_popescu: hehe
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/11/4209650/why-would-anyone-want-to-kill-shane-todd
bgupta: So how much fiat would it take for a professional organization (think corp/gov) to develop an inexpensive mining ASIC, mass produce it, and run enough to get 51%? (Guessing the biggest issue would be time.) And what real defense does our network have against such an attack?
bgupta: guessing the design and prototype could certainly be developed for < $500,000.
ThickAsThieves: a few problems
ThickAsThieves: which arm of gov would do that?
ThickAsThieves: and how do they get approval for that kind of spending?
ThickAsThieves: then
ThickAsThieves: if they do
ThickAsThieves: to what end?
Doffx: Lol, they need approval?
Scrat: discretionary funding
ThickAsThieves: the bitcoin idea doesnt die
ThickAsThieves: if you kill one chain
jborkl_: it would take 10 years just to get the idea signed off on
mircea_popescu: bgupta it'd be about 100mn
ThickAsThieves: even then
jborkl_: then 10 x over budget and it doesnt work
ThickAsThieves: they just split it
ThickAsThieves: people ignire the gov one
Doffx: I would think they could do very quickly, I think they would rather just use it as a tool to outlaw crytpo coins period though
thestring: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068433 / 0.00070408 / 0.000716 (215655 shares, 151.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00068976 / 0.000716 (1916705 shares, 1,322.07 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068799 / 0.00077505 (9619968 shares, 6,618.52 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: its a losing battle before it starts
bgupta: Guessing they'd have to push through NSA, or some other black box budget
ThickAsThieves: litecoiners would be thrilled
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Doffx: I think there is a long battle ahead, I dont know who the victor will be but the fight is just beggining.
bgupta: ThickAsThieves: Litecoin has same vuln.
ThickAsThieves: right
ThickAsThieves: but
ThickAsThieves: they just keep building miners?
mircea_popescu: Doffx has it.
ThickAsThieves: probly better ways to kill bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: regulate web traffic maybe
ThickAsThieves: need a license for botlike behavior
Doffx: Make people feel stupid for making a bad choice, that burn is enough to kill BTC.
ThickAsThieves: or such
bgupta: listen it will be a lot easier to get 100mn budget than to pass a law outtlawing bitcoin.. The problem with outlawing bitcoin, is that it gives bitcoin some credability and noteriety, and wouldn't kill it..
benkay: don't confuse your emotions with economics doffx
Doffx: What am I being emotional about?
ThickAsThieves: who said to outlaw it?
ThickAsThieves: maybe i have them on ignore already
joecool: oh yeah that same burn killed gambling too
joecool: lol
bgupta: Doffx said it ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: what about what i said about web traffic
bgupta: Doffx: Make people feel stupid for making a bad choice, that burn is enough to kill BTC.
benkay: feeling stupid about making a bad choice won't kill btc.
Doffx: Now BTC is gambling? I thought BTC and gambling were different.
ThickAsThieves: comcast sent me a warning when i started mining,
ThickAsThieves: Warning your compuer mayb be infected and is showing bit-like behavior
ThickAsThieves: it said
ThickAsThieves: bot-like*
Doffx: I was saying that the government could help do that bgupta
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.725 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: that means mining is detectable
ThickAsThieves: and this preventable
ThickAsThieves: this*
ThickAsThieves: thus*
joecool: ThickAsThieves: you should send them a warning back about tampering with http connections
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32874999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.32875 = 3.2875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32899999 BTC [+]
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: there are a number of ways to avoid that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.329 = 1.316 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.33 = 2.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.341 = 6.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.3415 = 10.5865 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.342 = 0.684 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.34999999 = 8.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.35 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 52 @ 0.35 = 18.2 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: nice
joecool: ie. use a VPN
Doffx: I was more trying to point out alternatives to just forking the chain with a 51% attack.
ThickAsThieves: forking doesnt kill it anyway
ThickAsThieves: just strikes confidence
pandnh4: hi, does anyone have a good reading on current btc price as mtgox is not trading?
pandnh4: clarkmoody?
Doffx: 90-120
imsaguy: ..
imsaguy: people
kakobrekla: 80-110
imsaguy: there is no 'current price'
imsaguy: the 'current price' is whatever price you're willing to buy or selli tat
imsaguy: selling at*
kakobrekla: last price then
Doffx: oh 80 now
pandnh4: ok, can you recommend a reasonable price?
imsaguy: last price? wtf knows
imsaguy: deals always going on
bgupta: ok the govt doesn't have to kill it kill it.. just needs to prevent it from becoming a threat
Doffx: Im looking at 5 different exchanges
Doffx: gl finding a good price haha
bgupta: allthough mtgox perhaps will do that for them
imsaguy: http://i0.sinaimg.cn/gm/2013/0407/U8781P115DT20130407163218.jpg
imsaguy: oh
imsaguy: and for more reading
imsaguy: this is why we can't carry water on to planes: http://www.techspot.com/news/52211-hacker-demonstrates-how-to-hijack-an-airplane-using-an-android-app.html
imsaguy: water = dangerous
imsaguy: phones that hack planes = not dangerous
pandnh4: bugpowder can you pm me?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.35 = 6.3 BTC [+]
Doffx: Great, now you wont be able to bring your phone on the plane either.
thestring: ;;seen EskimoBob
gribble: EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> look like this party i over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.31 = 4.65 BTC [+]
splnkr: i like this on the Mt Gox FB page 7 hours ago "Maintenance Over however we are now under a DDoS attack."
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: gox queue at 13000
ThickAsThieves: buy buy buy!
ThickAsThieves: :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00328798 = 0.3288 BTC [+]
mod6: gox trading haulted until 2AM UTC?
mod6: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/21519569-Market-Cooldown-for-12-hours
pigeons: where have you been?
mod6: *halted
mod6: pigeons: afk
mod6: people blowing me up all fuckin night and day
mod6: had enough
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Looks like MtGox not only froze trading but also bitcoin withdrawals, I've withdrawn 4 hours ago prior to trade being stopped and even though it shows the withdraw in my account, there is no record of it in the blockchain whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: this a fact ?
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: i withdrew fine
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.msg1806337#msg1806337
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.3989 = 0.7978 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Lucif is calling $50 low
ThickAsThieves: he's cashed out though
Lyspooner: i came here to watch mircea_popescu get mad at mt gox
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner lol you're late.
topace: Lyspooner: thats why we're all here
mod6: heheh. im late too the party too. so don't feel bad. :]
Lyspooner: i'm having a very difficult time buying more coins at 250
Lyspooner: what gives?
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: still holding around 100 otc
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173512.msg1805951 also this is pretty lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.34999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.35 = 10.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: funny how the btc that was exchange-crazed flows back to investments.
jborkl_: nice blog post mp
mircea_popescu: hopefully kicks some sense into ppls.
KRS-1: this rabbit hole goes deep
mircea_popescu: o look! mtgox is doing 70% of all bitcoin trades!
ThickAsThieves: nope 80%
mircea_popescu: darn you didn't look quick enough and missed it.
Lyspooner: Bruce Wagner doesn't belong in that list
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.54 = 3.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not a victim or not of success ?
Lyspooner: i don't think he was conceited or deceitful (in bitcoinland)
mircea_popescu: you know about his entire prior conviction thing right ?
Lyspooner: yes
mircea_popescu: seems eerly similar to my taste. judge decided he didn't do anything
ThickAsThieves: so when does Mark Karpeles get on the list?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.725 = 7.25 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: he believes he's a victim of own success.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00305 BTC [+]
evoorhees: tiberiusiv I agree
ThickAsThieves: Erik are you all settled in now?
evoorhees: as settled as one can be with this crazy market :)
ThickAsThieves: yeah intense
punkman: so exante.eu is not retarded then?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu, what index do your options settle to again? linky
mircea_popescu: $avg
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 148.34
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.701 = 7.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 0.7 = 11.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.698 = 5.584 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.697 = 8.364 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.696 = 9.048 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: calling it "massive irrational speculation" is very easy to do in hindsight
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: easy to do in foresight too
Lyspooner: good job then
ThickAsThieves: i think a lot of us just didnt realize it would happen on that exact day
Lyspooner: there were several people who called it a bubble at 70, say. Are those people wrong? Why should we only remember the people who got it right, like tiberiusiv?
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?
bVector: mircea_popescu: this asshat at icbit is a market manipulator just like you said
mircea_popescu: o ?
bVector: he's manually clearing his futures to artificially bring the price down to what he thinks is fair price
mircea_popescu: heh
bVector: I had buy orders in and he cleared it at lowest price of the trading range
bVector: two times in 6 minutes
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.6903 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
pigeons: i bought shares in mpoe and was able to sell for a lot more than i bought them for at ipo
pigeons: i bought some more a few weeks ago and sold them all as well
pigeons: so thats not very accurate
pigeons: no thanks ;)
pigeons: that's not his bot, that's me
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.75 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 115 @ 0.0033 = 0.3795 BTC [+]
pigeons: yes
pigeons: i mean i'm the one undercutting your asks
bVector: then sell for a bid
pigeons: i'm pretty sure i am
mircea_popescu: "@BryanMicon 9m If anyone wants to sell bitcoins I have a bunch of ppl calling me that want to buy"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 175 @ 0.00328797 = 0.5754 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: micon is starting his own exchange.
ThickAsThieves: could be buyiung actually
joecool: who knows? lots of idiots on gox with wallets they couldn't transfer out
Namworld: I couldn't get money to btc-e...
Namworld: oh
Namworld: that works
joecool: i thought btce was down for abit
pigeons: everyday but today
joecool: lol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: they kept getting ddos'd fora while there
ThickAsThieves: they had some sensitive anti-ddos settings that were locking out their own customers for a while
ThickAsThieves: that got sorted a couple weeks ago
ThickAsThieves: i had to use tor a few times to access the site
ThickAsThieves: now the tor IPs are banned
Uglux: what the fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.302 = 4.53 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: just wake up?
lippoper: lol
Uglux: what happened to price lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.3010101 = 4.2141 BTC [-]
pigeons: price got goxxed
Uglux: looks like 2011 just with some more zeros
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.3001 = 4.8016 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in 2011 it was hacked too
lippoper: the dream is over
lippoper: bitcoins are dead :-(
lippoper: What the hell is this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c2u1x/operation_foolscoin/ OPERATION APRIL FOOLSCOIN Targets: MtGox, BTCE, Bitcoin24, Bitstamp Mission statement: The recent sell-off was only partially successful for several reasons: Fresh blood looking to buy Overly bullish market Only one exchange targeted April 1st occurs at the end of a bank holiday, fiat will be running low on the exchanges and it is the perfect time
pigeons: nonsense
pgp: fuck 62 in bitstamp
lippoper: 84 at btc-e
lippoper: 120 at Gox LOL
pgp: send money to slovenia- quick!
lippoper: *trLOL
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lippoper lol
orkaa: i'm already selling my bitstamp dollars to friends
orkaa: hehe
jborkl_: 54 on bitstamp
jborkl_: 110 on VTX
pgp: hard to know how to play this when gox opens...
jborkl_: I have some cash on Gox, I am going to put a big at 15 when it opens
jborkl_: bid
mircea_popescu: lol think it'll touch 15 ?
jborkl_: panic dipshits with market orders
jborkl_: maybe
deyyo: $50.05 83.04553425 $4,156.43
deyyo: sellers on stamp
pgp: you know - I wouldn't be surprised to see it go down to 25-30 and maybe stay there for a little while. Bubble have a funny way of popping...
Uglux: wow cheep coins
pgp: pendulum swings all the way to the other side...
KRS-1: u mean the price finding the real avg
KRS-1: mkt. price circa Feb 2013?
lippoper: the real avg is $35 isn't it?
pgp: we have a few months of fast money noobs to reset...
ThickAsThieves: 35-50
pgp: < 50 seems enevitable to me...
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 67544.3670323
mircea_popescu: it's not under 50 atm anywhere tho
pgp: looking at my crystal ball
kakobrekla: its at 50
ThickAsThieves: still possible taht those 15000 in gox q wanna sell not buy
mircea_popescu: that's true.
mircea_popescu: course it's also possible gox comes up with sorry hax
mircea_popescu: and fades away
jborkl_: I wonder if it will stil be 100 bitcoins for a avalon, lol
mircea_popescu: in which case btc ---> 1
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ lol
ThickAsThieves: gox just has to last long enough to get my cash out 1k at a time
ThickAsThieves: :/
mircea_popescu: i guess nzhang guy has the chance of his life to show midnightmagic how ethical he is.
pigeons: structuring!
pgp: you know, I've alway been suspicious of withdrawl limits - any chance that gox might be having a liquidity crisis or sorts?
mircea_popescu: "we will sell these miners below cost nao"
jborkl_: We have a announcment- we are pricing avalon in $ now
mircea_popescu: pgp it's been suspected.
mircea_popescu: without the smoking gun of them actually not payingh out anymore hard to prove.
mircea_popescu: and they've had periods in the past when thery've held people's 10's of k's for weeks/months just cause
joecool: well it was already easy to fake the order book
mircea_popescu: so it'll be tough toi know they've run off even 3 months after the fact.
joecool: just place lots of orders with an empty wallet
mircea_popescu: joecool afaik those don't shopw
jborkl_: no, they do not show up
ThickAsThieves: you'd need at least .01 btc
lippoper: ThickAsThieves: now that Mt.Cocks doesn't support Mt.Cocks cash coupons, people are selling out and/or withdrawing their funds from there. If they missed the chance, they are trying to get verified in order to be able to withdraw
lippoper: in USD
Uglux: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173641.0 there you go^^
lippoper: those thousands of new accounts could be people trying to get their USD out
pgp: definately further downside...
lippoper: Uglux, it only makes sense that they're planning on freezing all the accounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4427 @ 0.00071432 = 3.1623 BTC [+]
lippoper: including but not limited to all the currencies and coins in your wallet
mircea_popescu: <pgp> definately further downside... <<< i dunno about this mommentum mindset.
mircea_popescu: at 240 people were "definitely more upside" now "definitely more downside"
mircea_popescu: there's nothing definite here.
Rlx: Hello
jborkl_: bitstamp 70
mircea_popescu: hi
Uglux: mircea_popescu, will you tolerate a AM PT?
jborkl_: VTX 114
Rlx: I have a question about bitbet
mircea_popescu: Uglux what's that ?
mircea_popescu: Rlx shoot
Rlx: I'm not absolutely sure if i bet on something, where can i check that out?
Uglux: i mean ann ASICMINER passthrough on mpex
mircea_popescu: Rlx your receiving address should be on the bet
mircea_popescu: you can also search for it on the site
mircea_popescu: Uglux passthrough no. if they sign a contract they can be listed like anyone else.
Rlx: Oh ok, thank you
mircea_popescu: obviously would recognise pt held shares.
mircea_popescu: afaik everyone running pts already has accounts on mpex anyway so wouldn't be a big deal.
guruvan: [08:13:39] <mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu> mtgox must go. <<< can't tell ya how many times I've heard this today....online and at home
mircea_popescu: ya well... it's da truth
bVector: haha got a reporter talking to me about icbit
bVector: torn between discrediting bitcoin by trashing this exchange or ...
guruvan: I agree - I haven't actually used them for months now
mircea_popescu: i don't think you're discrediting bitcoin by speaking the truth.
mircea_popescu: at any juncture and in any context.
bVector: agreed
mircea_popescu: just make sure tis the truth.
Namworld: process the deposit/withdrawal queue please Mircea =P
guruvan: this channel is so much more calm about the drop today...lol - #bitcoin-otc is so full of stressball cases
Namworld: good riddance...
Namworld: although it's somewhat sad for them, really...
Namworld: People who lost money...
Lyspooner: is there a channel where mention of exchange rates to other currencies gets one banned
guruvan: weak hands
Namworld: life savings... divorces and suicides will probably occur...
guruvan: Namworld: you're running one of the Dice PTs on BTC-TC? but not the one on LTC-Global, correct?
Namworld: Correct
guruvan: don't invest more than you can lose peoples
mod6: ^^^
Doffx: Why would they stress out?
Doffx: This happens a lot in BTC
Namworld: Seriously... why do people who never touched/looked at BTC suddenly flock into it AFTER it raised a few hundred percents in value over a few weeks?
guruvan: $200/coin loss
guruvan: haha
Doffx: Guess we have all been through it a few times
mod6: yeah
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.75 = 6.75 BTC [+]
jborkl_: micrea_popescu , deposit flush
guruvan: I let a client buy into the rally.......I really shoulda hedged her purchase....live & learn
Namworld: Thanks mircea
guruvan: but we damn sure won't let clients sell into a bottom feeding frenzy
mircea_popescu: Namworld no, we're in a cool-off period right now
kakobrekla: cool off meaning taking bids out?
mircea_popescu: mostly doing our hair.
Namworld: No, it's a joke...
Namworld: from MtGox freezing trades to "cool off"
kakobrekla: CPU got too hot
kakobrekla: from all the lag reuquests
Namworld: We're not crashing, we're "cooling off"
mod6: bitcoin time-out
mod6: lol
guruvan: lol kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: Namworld i just meant re mpex processing withdrawals.
Namworld: oh
mod6: !ticker m O.USD.P500T
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
Namworld: eheh,thought it was about the price crash and people losing money =P
mod6: damnit assbot
mircea_popescu: masybe that one never traded so not on the list mod6
Namworld: and that you were quoting gox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 21551 @ 0.00328797 = 70.859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00328798 = 4.6032 BTC [+]
guruvan: lol assbot
mod6: oh maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00328799 = 6.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1771 @ 0.003289 = 5.8248 BTC [+]
guruvan: daquq kinda answer was that
deadweasel: alright, sdice rally
guruvan: woohoo
kakobrekla: guruvan you been gone for a long time eh
deadweasel: let's all go bet what we have left on sdice, then erik can be stuck with our worthless btc... ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3700 @ 0.00333328 = 12.3331 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ya i wonder if high volatility correlates with high sdice betting
InstantBTC: is that why sdice going up?
Doffx: Why, tiberiusiv?
Doffx: I am honestly curious.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.75 = 3 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: because USD value goes down, BTC per bet goes up
mod6: O.USD.P500T => S => Price: 2474007981 Volume: 1000 O.O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00333328 = 6.6666 BTC [+]
Doffx: oh
mircea_popescu: $depth p500t
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P500T Bids: ['1000 @ 2.39515694']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 24.74007981']
mircea_popescu: sweet lol
Doffx: So you are speculating that more people will be thus more profits for april?
Doffx: err bet*
ThickAsThieves: not more people
ThickAsThieves: larger bets
ThickAsThieves: in BTC
Doffx: Ahh ok
guruvan: kakobrekla: gone from IRC - not from bitcoin.....my house has crappy satellite internet, so IRC has been out of the question for a few months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.35 = 7 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hehe Lucif got a chart pic of the moments after 265 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131065.msg1807696#msg1807696
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3989 @ 0.00070902 = 2.8283 BTC [-]
jborkl_: and bitstamp is down..
pgp: bitfloor sub 60
pgp: just getting uglier and uglier
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [+]
Scrat: ;;title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173641.0
gribble: Mt.GOX Can't withdraw USD
punkman: anyone have some bitstampUSD to sell?
Scrat: can anyone confirm?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 22 @ 0.34 = 7.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4570 @ 0.00333328 = 15.2331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6351 @ 0.00333333 = 21.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.76099 = 1.522 BTC [+]
bgupta: Namworld: I'd guess because they hadn't heard of it before.
pgp: bitfloor 53
splnkr: Scrat: i was able to withdraw to Dwolla just now from MtGox
splnkr: they have changed their withdrawal process though and didn't explain it well
splnkr: now to withdraw, first you have to "add a withdraw method" and then wait a while (like overnight) for it to become an option
splnkr: i think people are mistaking the inability to withdraw without going through this process for the inability to withdraw altogether
Scrat: it might be country specific
splnkr: i'm talking about USD
splnkr: well yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.300001 = 1.8 BTC [-]
splnkr: dwolla is only available in us
splnkr: but bank transfer still appears to be an option as well
splnkr: but again you have to "add a withdraw method" with the bank in advance
lippoper: SPLNKR: and have to be verified right?
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 211992.07740389, 24 hour low: 106.10000, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 158.25213
splnkr: not sure, most likely
lippoper: Are you verified with Mt.Gox?
lippoper: splnkr: are you verified?
splnkr: why
lippoper: (3:32:21 PM) splnkr: Scrat: i was able to withdraw to Dwolla just now from MtGox
lippoper: did I misread that?
splnkr: no.
lippoper: so you're not verified?
splnkr: what is your question about mtgox
lippoper: Do you have to be verified to withdraw using Dwolla today?
bit_nutz_: gribble, where are those prices you just quoted? i'm seeing sub 60 bitstamp, bitfloor, bit24...
jborkl_: they have to have dwolla funds available. they easily could be out and they have to add more
lippoper: bit_nutz_: the ticker is frozen on Gox and gribble is using their frozen data.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 2 @ 0.78 = 1.56 BTC [+]
bit_nutz_: thank you lippoper
bitesak: The price is sub 60?
jborkl_: dwolla is only instant if you have funds on dwolla itself
lippoper: jborkl_: b.s. it's much more likely that splnkr is trolling
jborkl_: oh ok,nm
lippoper: he was talking about withdrawing money OUT
lippoper: and can't even say yes/no if he's verified
jborkl_: yeah, they have to add money to mutum sigglim
jborkl_: or whatever the name is
bit_nutz_: bitesak: i just saw a 53 print
Bugpowder_: 90% sure this guy is just confused
lippoper: all assets on mt.gox are frozen, not even btc transfers are actually being done.
bit_nutz_: epic crash
mircea_popescu: lippoper how do you know that ?
mircea_popescu: i've heard reports both ways
pgp: anbody know anything about these exante guys out of malta?
mircea_popescu: pgp keiser's scamthing.
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu: keiser is connected with exante?
pgp: really
splnkr: lippoper: i'm not confused. i explained the situation 10 mins ago you didn't read everything i wrote
mircea_popescu: welllll.... he's pushing them
pgp: he must have privately sold them their stash of coins, then...
jborkl_: I just sent a small amount of btc to gox, see what happens
mircea_popescu: @maxkeiser 10 Apr
mircea_popescu: I'll be speaking at Exante.eu hedge fund conference in Portugal on May 24th. Whatever the price of BTC before this event: double it.
lippoper: @mircea: I think the reports saying they were able to get money/btc out are all fake, trying to prevent the bottom hitting.
mircea_popescu: lippoper ThickAsThieves was saying earlier. i don't imagine he's faking it
bitesak: bit_nutz_ epic indeed !
lippoper: but he did it right before they actually froze everything
mircea_popescu: moreover they may have cut it off after he got it out
mircea_popescu: maxkeiser 10 Apr
mircea_popescu: I'm working with Exante.eu to broker deals getting London hedge funds into BTC. We've got more than $1 bn. lined up.#KeepMiningWeveGotOrders
jborkl_: after 12 hours and I get 1 confirm- I will report back
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner as you can see... retard.
mircea_popescu: who in london even heard of him ?
bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 208554.52358335, 24 hour low: 110.20003, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 158.68466
mircea_popescu: in a professional capacity i mean.
bowjob: huh..
bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 9.530755 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0190995263083 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin one full loop along the orbit of the Moon around Earth (0.016 AU).
ThickAsThieves: everything works in Gox except making orders
Scrat: ticker is wrong
bowjob: i thought he hit 55 dollatrs
ThickAsThieves: cancelling is tricky
bowjob: FUck
bowjob: I missed it!
bowjob: ME
ThickAsThieves: you have to click cancel on ONE order and just leave the window alone for a few mins
ThickAsThieves: then later reload
ThickAsThieves: and your order will be gone
ThickAsThieves: then do the next one
lippoper: last I checked it, you can only place orders at market price
mircea_popescu: a few minutesd ?
mircea_popescu: lippoper that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
lippoper: yeah
lippoper: it seems like it'll be DDoS on resume
lippoper: just from sheer
lippoper: volume of people withdrawing
lippoper: could cause true bottom to hit :-(
lippoper: i'm afraid, very afraid of 10pm ET tonight
Bugpowder: I am going to buy like crazy
Scrat: i am going to fap like crazy
lippoper: I am going to cry some more
Bugpowder: never waste a good crisis
jborkl_: bugpowder will be bust in the trollbox
jborkl_: busy
lippoper: but, all my money just became worthless
Bugpowder: really though?
lippoper: not ALL, but all the investment money and then some I had
lippoper: like it's half now
Bugpowder: Well 1, you should have cashed out all the way up
Bowjob_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 207674.53841988, 24 hour low: 110.20003, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 158.78790
Bugpowder: 2) this is going to be an awesome buying opp
lippoper: at $55
bit_nutz: apologies for the rudimentary question: Is gribble a bot or something?
pgp: @ $32
Bugpowder: What about bitcoin has fundamentally changed between 2 days ago and today
Bugpowder: nothing
lippoper: no gribble is cool
lippoper: except, it's apparent market value
bit_nutz: why is he/it quoting bad info?
lippoper: he's quoting Mt.Gox info only
lippoper: Mt.Gox is frozen, so it's not bad, it's just not what all of the other exchanges are trading at.
ThickAsThieves: okay
ThickAsThieves: keep some things in mind
Scrat: ;;echo I'm not a bot
gribble: I'm not a bot
Bowjob_: ;;ticker
guruvan: lol
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 207018.49103167, 24 hour low: 110.20003, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 158.87151
ThickAsThieves: 1. there is a new market price
Bowjob_: Hey how come mt gox is 120 bucks
Bowjob_: but.. the rest is like 60
Bowjob_: ?
guruvan: not trading
ThickAsThieves: buyers will be very hesitant to pay more than they need to
Scrat: Bowjob_: dude get with the times... gox froze all trads 6 hours ago
Bowjob_: i just slept lol
Bowjob_: i mean woke up
ThickAsThieves: 2. Gox orderbooks will be EMPTY
Bowjob_: is it moving to coinlab
ThickAsThieves: this means the price is free to run
Bowjob_: ah
ThickAsThieves: in any and all directions
ThickAsThieves: mostly gox is cash right now
pgp: it will be mayhem
Scrat: Bowjob_: hopefully it is moving to a darker place
ThickAsThieves: so it could run up, but if it does, it will fall right back down
Scrat: like I don't know. a coffin?
bit_nutz: ah, thanks. no offense intended! just asking why :)
mod6: the 200DMA @ bitcoin charts shows like 63: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg90zig6-hourztgSzbgBza1gTMAzm1g50za2gTMAzm2g200zi1gMACDzi2gWilliamRzi3gCVolatilityzv
mod6: so that's not far off
mod6: Bowjob_: ^^
Bowjob_: I want to see single digits again
pgp: i have to try not drink too much before mt gox opens... 10 PM EST, right...
Bowjob_: I'll buy the shit out of them
pgp: gonna be crazy
guruvan: mod6: yep - that's what I've been looking at the last 24hrs
lippoper: ThickAsThieves, anyone in the know here will be buying up btc in Mt.Gox for cheap, $10-$50 range...
lippoper: Anyone panicking about the bubble burst (most people) will try to cash out as soon as possible for as cheap as possible.
lippoper: Your cheap investment into btc, will be just that, and it might even go lower.
alex12: Hello, where abouts could i look to pickup some FPGA units?
mircea_popescu: alex12 never seen anyone trying to sell.
Scrat: lippoper I think it's safe to say that everyone here is in it for the long haul
pgp: yes
alex12: lippoper: then how does one obtain them?
Bowjob_: unfortunately i dont have fiat
ThickAsThieves: if btc falls under 50, it could be really bad
pgp: seems to me that the denizens of #bitcoin-assets *are* the grownups of hitcoin world...
ThickAsThieves: thats like hitting reset on this entire run up
ThickAsThieves: i hope so
lippoper: alex12: was talking about when Gox resumes tonight.
lippoper: Scrat: Yes, but how long til we see that $100 figure again?
InstantBTC: bitstamp is down
ThickAsThieves: we'll see 100 tonight probably, and then 50 again
lippoper: you're right
ThickAsThieves: its gonna be wild
ThickAsThieves: or not!
ThickAsThieves: :)
lippoper: it will open at 120, so first come first serve
alex12: lippoper: ah ...
ThickAsThieves: it will not open at 120
alex12: lippoper: sorry, my message was ment for mircea_popescu
lippoper: only time before the asks outweight the bids and the price drops like a stone.
ThickAsThieves: it will open empty
ThickAsThieves: maybe just asks
bit_nutz: such big price discrepancies across exchanges...why aren't these getting arb'd away?
lippoper: first thing I'll do when it resumes is sell at $100 and put in a buy order for $25.00
lippoper: that sounds right
Scrat: few people were setup to arb that sort of volume
lippoper: it'll probably get filled within the hour
lippoper: thouhts?
lippoper: thoughts?
Scrat: ;;btceusd
gribble: {"ticker":{"high":199.53999,"low":52.999,"avg":126.269495,"vol":7769078.44047,"vol_cur":64617.31679,"last":70,"buy":70.001,"sell":70,"server_time":1365710367}}
Scrat: is vol total?
Bowjob_: probably not, i mean i think theres lots of idiots
Scrat: btce did today almost 10% of their total volume
Bowjob_: but.. come on man i have faith in my fellow man
Bowjob_: Its 94 at virtex
Scrat: 1%, bah
Scrat: nevermind me
Scrat: eyes tired
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1461 @ 0.00070902 = 1.0359 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: If it falls under 50 it could be really good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.65 = 3.3 BTC [+]
Bowjob_: http://bitbet.us/bet/403/bitcoin-at-420-on-or-before-4-20/
Bowjob_: FREE BTC for you guys
ThickAsThieves: Bug, I agree
ThickAsThieves: only because
pgp: just noticed that BFL's preorder prices for "net gen" products jumped from $20 GH/s to $50 GH/s... Dunno when that happened, but economic of mining are changing fast...
ThickAsThieves: i dont care about price now
ThickAsThieves: i'm cashed out
ThickAsThieves: waiting for lowest price
ThickAsThieves: all mt btc is what i have in stocks
lippoper: lucky
ThickAsThieves: honestly, my buying will be pretty timid
Bowjob_: on ht ebright side. the next bullrun will be
ThickAsThieves: i cashed out at a healthy profit
Bowjob_: quad digits
ThickAsThieves: i'm not gonna go pay some midmarket price
ThickAsThieves: and compromise that
Bowjob_: I'm still wondering if we;re emperor with no clothes
pgp: just sit on your hands folks...
pgp: be patient
Bowjob_: I mean, I've won the game, money in, profit out
pgp: can't be
pgp: quoting from gox?
Bugpowder: it doesn't have funds
Scrat: yeah it's gox last
Bowjob_: bug, did u get some puts
Bugpowder: I did
Bugpowder: but the trade was revoked
taub: tiberiusiv> btce did 50% of mtgox volume today
taub: and no lag!
ThickAsThieves: O.o
Scrat: russian tech
Bugpowder: <mircea_popescu> your buy and the bot's cancelling hit in the same second. the bot was a few miliseconds earlier. the trade engine correctly identified the trade as going to book. the server you were talking to however did not. [14:09] <mircea_popescu> it's ungodly that it has needed almost two hours to come to sense, there's been a host of syncing issues under today;s load.
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: Did you get a receipt?
taub: i think mp covering his ass
taub: :p
Bugpowder: I did
ThickAsThieves: sooooo
ThickAsThieves: thats proof of purchase right?
Bugpowder: have reciepts for the options on my inventory for the last hour and a half
Bugpowder: then they disappeared
ThickAsThieves: ?!
ThickAsThieves: wait
ThickAsThieves: receipts can be revoked?
ThickAsThieves: i thought they were signed text info
Bugpowder: So be aware, a receipt is not always reliable.
ThickAsThieves: ...
Bugpowder: there could be syncronization issues in times of heavy load
ThickAsThieves: but thats not your problem
ThickAsThieves: server should not issue receipt
ThickAsThieves: until order is confirmed
ThickAsThieves: makes no sense
taub: $avg
mpexbot: taub: 142.71
taub: uh oh
Bowjob_: Bakewell might pay his dues now
Bowjob_: lol
Bowjob_: just say "I got hackeD"
Bowjob_: heres ur coins
ThickAsThieves: this is also conveniently when price was dropping this morning, bot was off, yet bitcoincharts was working fine, then bot comes back at 1000000% higher prices
ThickAsThieves: thats a pretty fancy bot...
taub: well that is his business
taub: but
taub: undoing orders is not ok
Bugpowder: what can yah do? I've made plenty of coins off the bot. Maybe its true. The bot did go down shortly after I bot 1000 puts.
pgp: orders get busted irl all the time
jcpham: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/
ThickAsThieves: your buys are what triggered me to shop though
ThickAsThieves: i loaded prices after
ThickAsThieves: and when i hit buy i was too late
Bugpowder: Whether that happened before or after the actual bot cancellation, I have no way of knowing
ThickAsThieves: i still dont see how that matters if you got a receipt
jcpham: the winklevii own 1% of bitcoin
jcpham: according to ny times
Bugpowder: Was the bot going offline a response to the purchase coming across the ticker here? Or was it just a coincidence?
MJR_: damn winklevii
pgp: guys - equity, option and futures exchanges bust trades for all sorts of reasons everyday all day long...
MJR_: always showing up late to the party
ThickAsThieves: well if I play the role of Occam in a Tinfoil Hat,
ThickAsThieves: easy answer is mp shut off bot manually to protect puts
ThickAsThieves: adjusted pricing to be to his benefit
ThickAsThieves: then resumed
mircea_popescu: yes yes, it can happen that a trade's screwy.
mircea_popescu: it hasn't been happening since the january upgrade at all, but then again
mircea_popescu: Apr 11 12:27:12 <mircea_popescu> okay, everyone get your trades through if you were contemplating anything
mircea_popescu: Apr 11 12:27:16 <mircea_popescu> this promises to be a bumpy weekend.
pgp: we deal with occasional race condition-type issues from time to time - happens
ThickAsThieves: but surely your system is gated to only give receipts as proof of confirmed purchase, no?
ThickAsThieves: i assume thats why they exist
pgp: unless, of course, you prefer a single threaded, single server solution for your exchange...
pgp: like gox
ThickAsThieves: if not, i dont understand what receipts are for
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ideally.
mircea_popescu: it;'s like the papers you get from the courthouse.
mircea_popescu: somwetimes they will have your name wrong
Scrat: pgp: which should still be enough, considering modern cpus can do billions of calculations per second
mircea_popescu: sometimes the police batters down your door and you were the wrong guy.
Bowjob_: The Black wednesday
mircea_popescu: material errors happen. my job of course is to keep it to a minimum.
Scrat: even if you add many orders of magnitude of abstraction
Bowjob_: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-winklevoss-twins-bitcoins-2013-4
pgp: yes, but no redundancy and failover...
ThickAsThieves: mp, i dont disagree that things happen,
ThickAsThieves: but in your examples
pgp: can't run an exchange that way - you can't have single points of failure...
ThickAsThieves: the offender loses too
Scrat: pgp: a true multimaster system requires two phased commits
Bugpowder: It's a shame that the bot does not have a timestamped receipt to compare against mine.
Scrat: master/slave can still be done with single threaded setup
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt matter of being the same second causes glitches
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well the bot got in first.
ThickAsThieves: so receipts are issued before orders are completed?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.34495 = 1.7248 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.34498 = 6.8996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.34499989 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: receipt of trade just says trade was received.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.345 = 3.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.35 = 10.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is factual, it was.
pgp: scrat: yes in principal
mircea_popescu: the STAT results will query a db, which will be in a state.
Doffx: I find it somewhat ironic that they store their bitcoin backups at banks
mircea_popescu: it is possible (if unlikely) these days for that state to be messy
pgp: but not all systems have fully integrated STP
jborkl_: mp, sorry to do this again, deposit
ThickAsThieves: but mp,
ThickAsThieves: why not gate the receipt to happen AFTER
mircea_popescu: mpex is stateless. there
ThickAsThieves: its not like we need our recipts 1 second sooner
mircea_popescu: 's no way to know what happened to the guy's trade when you issue the receipt.
mircea_popescu: receipt just says "we received your order". this isn't really the problem.
ThickAsThieves: so its not a receipt
mircea_popescu: the problem is the webserver he was directed to for the stat was inconsistent weith the trade engine master
ThickAsThieves: its a purchase order
mircea_popescu: and this inconsistency lasted too long
mircea_popescu: the reason it lasted too long is that the server itself was being isolated from syncing through being ddosed to as much as it could take
mircea_popescu: by the load balancing solution
ThickAsThieves: i assume he was at least refunded
Bugpowder: THe initial purchase was refunded
Bugpowder: and an order appeared
ThickAsThieves: what does that mean, an order appeared
ThickAsThieves: mp, do you have a log of when the bot vwap lowered from 227.18 yesterday?
Bugpowder: O.USD.P122T : B 1`000 @ 0.07047095BTC (order #8912799)
Bugpowder: That appeared
Bugpowder: However my original order number was lower
Bugpowder: You see, following my 122 order, I placed this order, which did not get filled
Bugpowder: O.USD.P125T : B 1`000 @ 0.08050000BTC (order #8901197)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2159 @ 0.00296405 = 6.3994 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: or did it?
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Bugpowder: No bot was down by then
jurov: ThickAsThieves, so you were affected too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.3151 = 2.8359 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: by what
ThickAsThieves: jurov you know about my issue already
ThickAsThieves: i did try to buy puts at the same time as Bug, but I was too late
ThickAsThieves: i have no issue with that
jurov: yes. but am tired and the scrollback looks hairy
ThickAsThieves: other than it being suspicious
ThickAsThieves: that the bot disappeared for so lonbg
ThickAsThieves: and came back with outrageously high prices
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 218 @ 0.0033 = 0.7194 BTC [+]
jurov: so these trades got rofled back?
Bugpowder: Yes looks like it now
Bugpowder: I didn't notice this order number discrepancy before
Bugpowder: when I discussed it privately
jurov: hmm, coinbr did complain about more inconsistencies than necessary, but looked quite benign
Bugpowder: After the trade rollback, a NEW order appeared with a # that was higher than an order I placed AFTER my fill at 122
jurov: O.o
MJR_: nice, looks like s.dice is rallying
ThickAsThieves: now i have to go back and audit all my fucking excercises
jurov: anyway, will do thorough check later. but it would help me if anyone who did anything in coinbr during that time
jurov: checked their history
mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything.
ThickAsThieves: can't help either most likely
ThickAsThieves: you aren't exactly known for being pliable
jurov: it will help me not to have a mess in books eventually
jurov: ThickAsThieves, what?
ThickAsThieves: not you jurov
ThickAsThieves: i just mean that we make plenty of reasonable requests and suggestions that end up being painted as absurd of they conflict with mp's original decision
ThickAsThieves: like not issuing receipts until orders are completed
guruvan: ++ ThickAsThieves ;) not pliable....but consistent.
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: thats why i know auditing would be pointless
mircea_popescu: ha!
jurov: not going into that discussion now... see ya later
guruvan: seems everyone's trade engines were hosed yesterday..I know I should audit my trades
mircea_popescu: i'd really love to come up with a better system
mircea_popescu: for one thing the 100msecond lag is getting on my motherfucking nerves.
mircea_popescu: i get that it's way lower than mtgox ever manages, but still. ridoinculous.
ThickAsThieves: i have real trouble understanding why a receipt cant be the last thing that happens in the chain
mircea_popescu: cause mpex doesn't keep session.
bVector: mircea_popescu: you're closer than I am, how much would it take to get you to kick icbit admin in the nuts?
mircea_popescu: a lot lol. im not in that biz
bVector: everyone has their price right? ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 42 @ 0.2 = 8.4 BTC [+]
guruvan: I am so glad I closed out my positions there last week
jcpham: i signed up for coinsetter and sent a witty message
jcpham: ceo responded
jcpham: he says they are legit
pigeons: what's coinsetter?
jcpham: his name is jaron iirc
guruvan: I've had a chat with him in email - everyone sez that
guruvan: ya that's it
pigeons: oh well if the ceo says he's legit, its gotta be true
jcpham: it's th new bitcoinica pigeons
jcpham: rite
guruvan: coinsetter = leveraged trading of some sort
jcpham: if you think things are wild now...just wait
pigeons: chinese relic hunters be ready
guruvan: he said he's on the forums & recognized my name - but I didn't recognize his
guruvan: and he didn't specifiy a nick
pigeons: he meant something awful
jcpham: hurrr
guruvan: their site was broke when I went there at first...tweeted about that, and he responded to the tweet & sent mail
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000688 = 0.0688 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000688 = 0.0688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [+]
jcpham: ic
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
jcpham: mircea_popescu's twitter is off the charts lulzbot
jcpham: *lulzboat
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: gonna have to follow him for sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3031 BTC [-]
MJR_: yeah
MJR_: love the tweets
MJR_: i've had lunch with jaron
guruvan: ya orly
MJR_: yep
MJR_: he's in nyc
guruvan: what's he like?
jcpham: does he wear baseball caps?
MJR_: erik kinda introduced us
MJR_: he does not
MJR_: wear baseball caps
MJR_: from what i saw
MJR_: but i haven't watched him at all times
MJR_: anyway, nice guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.303 BTC [-]
MJR_: cool people behind his project
MJR_: haven't seen much of his product
MJR_: but he is working on it as far as i know
guruvan: meet any of the team?
MJR_: yeahg
MJR_: CTO
MJR_: nice guy
MJR_: we had lunch a few times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 22 @ 0.30199999 = 6.644 BTC [-]
jcpham: i wonder if we can get these guys to do shoeonhead.jpg
guruvan: I'm curious about his & the cto's backgrounds
jcpham: to prove something...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 270 @ 0.000689 = 0.186 BTC [+]
guruvan: he seemed to think I'd be more interested in the site's security, rather than the principal's backgrounds
MJR_: eh
MJR_: what's tux's background?
guruvan: what's the CTOs name MJR_?
MJR_: marshall
jcpham: yeah btcst.com was hella secure html5 wonder
jcpham: ...
guruvan: good question.
dub: MJR_: table/card games, painting little plastic soldiers
jcpham: glbse was pretty secure but slows as balls
MJR_: he actually introduced me to a nice lawyer
MJR_: who was very helpful
guruvan: exactly jcpham
jcpham: making a secure site isn't that hard
MJR_: they very much have a startup mentality
MJR_: which is cool in some ways
jcpham: i've seen it and bought into it
jcpham: and then poof
guruvan: that's good in a lot of ways
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4730 @ 0.00071589 = 3.3862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3888 @ 0.00071642 = 2.7854 BTC [+]
MJR_: well...depends
MJR_: i personally, and this is just my opinion, hate the term "burn rate"
MJR_: i plan on making money from day 1
guruvan: lol
guruvan: VC
MJR_: BUT, there are some times when you need to do that
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guruvan: I've done a buncha dotcom stuff and we always talked about that
MJR_: i just think that the silicon valley mindset of "let them explore and figure it out" is not a great strategy for most scenarios
MJR_: in some ways, VC's do a disservice by telling people that they are great, when they haven't done anything yet
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MJR_: BUT...i'm not saying that applies to coinsetter
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guruvan: no - it's not, but it's great for the "thow a buncha shit on the wall and see what sticks" venture capitalist mentality
MJR_: just making a point about startup mentality
MJR_: i also don't like that mentality, i like good solid plans that make sense
guruvan: no but wee'll see plenty silicon valley startups that it does apply to in the bitcoin biz
MJR_: entrepreneurship should be bringing together the pieces to create something more valuable than the sum of its parts