assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02487 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4403 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.02525 = 0.4293 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.0259 = 2.072 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 403 @ 0.026 = 10.478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02487 BTC [+]
dub: shipping next week guys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.026 = 0.052 BTC [+]
KRS-1: what does the difficulty look like
KRS-1: if i get 70 ghash online initially..
KRS-1: sold all of my mining equipment a long time ago
Bugpowder: Going back to my old google doc from October calculating how much BTC I was going to make off GIGAMINING is kinda funny
Namworld: Any projection which is equal or less than current income?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.02599 = 0.2859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070461 = 1.7263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070416 = 3.0427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4492 @ 0.00070415 = 3.163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29485 @ 0.00070412 = 20.761 BTC [-]
KRS-1: is it possible AM could fall on their face, thus bringing down the difficulty
KRS-1: could anything happen if they get too much of the total network speed?
Namworld: How much do you get now out of your Gigamining?
KRS-1: this sounds like a shitty deal: ' indefinite contract, which costs $246. This runs for as long as the user wants, and provides 1 Ghash/sec of compute power. With this type of contract, 30 percent of the return is reinvested in additional computing power'
mircea_popescu: the only thing is that both avalon and bitfury claim to have tons of chips right around the corner
Bugpowder: AM seems like they know what they are doing
Namworld: AM does know what they're doing, apparently
Namworld: Bugpowder, it's just that BTC stocks tend to take a value around 1%/week
Namworld: I should have bought 10 000 @ 0.1 BTC each back then
Bugpowder: Namworld: yeah but that rate is unsustainable
Namworld: Would only have paid 5000 USD or 1000 BTC
mircea_popescu: noob ventures take a value around 1% a week, last for 30 weeks tops
Namworld: Now I'd have 25000 BTC or 2.5 million
Bugpowder: Bitcoin securities investors seem to be unable to look more than 45 days in advance
Bugpowder: most S.DICE investors look backwards
Namworld: If they can't do that, why would they pay 100x weekly revenue?
Bugpowder: although on a volume weighted basis that isn't true
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.43 BTC [-]
Namworld: Like 400 BTC up for SDICE at latest news
Bugpowder: Namworld: yes I know. Just vocalizing the mindset.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 40 @ 2.441 = 97.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.441 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: S.DICE at .002 looks pretty damn good to me.
mircea_popescu: Our chips consume about 3 - 3.5w per GH/s at the chip level
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02487 = 0.2736 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well unless S.DICE volume picks up, 0.002 seems ok, but not damn good
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.02491 = 1.1957 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.441 = 17.087 BTC [+]
Namworld: If they made a stable 5000 BTC each month
Namworld: That's 30 months to reach 0.0015 in dividends
Bugpowder: If you believe its truly a money tree scam where erik is recycling into it, then don't buy
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.02496 = 0.3494 BTC [+]
Namworld: Nah, I don't think it's a scam.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the stability point for bitcoin securities is way way under 1% per year
Bugpowder: They sometimes earn 20,000 BTC /mo
Bugpowder: but I would say its probably a 50/50 proposition
Bugpowder: that they have another comparably huge month again within the next 4 months.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 238 @ 0.025 = 5.95 BTC [-]
Namworld: 0.1% per year? Too meager returns in my taste
Bugpowder: and then you get a 10% divided from that cost basis and a 250% gain in share price.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.0249 = 0.5976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.0249 = 0.3984 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: probably undervalued based on its potential
mircea_popescu: moreover, the people atm involved are mostly kids trying to bootstrap themselves into financiers on a shoestring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.02495 = 0.5988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: once actual capital starts moving in it's a different story.
Namworld: Coinroll has made 1/4th of SD profit so far this month. SD really isn't lucky this month.
Bugpowder: yeah, but S.DICE luck should be totally irrelevant to the share price
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02496 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but in bitcoinland, S.DICE instant divided level drives the price strongly.
Bugpowder: Thats why I threw up some bids when they went down 2k.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.0249 = 2.4153 BTC [-]
Namworld: SD has had about ~90'000 BTC volume this month
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.0247 = 0.1976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0247 = 0.1729 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.0245 = 2.3765 BTC [-]
Namworld: If I had kept my shares, I'd be selling like a madman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070677 = 3.054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00070684 = 10.5637 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0258 = 0.258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.450001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.45 = 9.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4899 = 4.9798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.49 = 4.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02496 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00241971 = 2.4197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 853 @ 0.00241972 = 2.064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 147 @ 0.00274996 = 0.4042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00274996 = 1.2375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.45 = 19.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 87 @ 0.02411 = 2.0976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02451 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.0244 = 7.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02421001 = 0.2179 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0242 = 0.1452 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02411 = 0.0964 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02411 = 0.1447 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.289999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4789 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.3101 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2201 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.22 = 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 903 @ 0.00274996 = 2.4832 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4789 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4789 = 4.9578 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.4879 = 7.4637 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0258 = 1.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02496 = 0.3994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.0242 = 0.5082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.45 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.0026 = 0.0312 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 20 @ 0.017 = 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.02539 = 0.9394 BTC [+]
jborkl: i am selling puts and calls. starting tomorrow, i will be pricing better than the bot. pm me what mpsic and qty, i am still thinking anout pricing so that will be better than the bot
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02496 = 0.3994 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 132 @ 0.0254 = 3.3528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.485999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 168 @ 0.0252 = 4.2336 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 2.49 = 47.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02539 = 0.1016 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.49 = 12.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002875 = 0.0144 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 2.49 = 27.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.498999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 2.499 = 22.491 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.0252 = 1.0584 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.02539 = 0.6348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00071038 = 4.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 2.499 = 39.984 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 2.522999 = 22.707 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.523 = 25.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.575 = 5.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02539 = 0.2285 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.579 = 7.737 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.579 = 7.737 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.0252 = 0.2268 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0252 = 1.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02539 = 0.0508 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0255 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0255 = 1.1985 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.02558 = 1.2278 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.02559 = 1.2027 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.619 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02539 = 1.0156 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 168 @ 0.0252 = 4.2336 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024501 = 0.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070789 = 4.7075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1934 @ 0.00070704 = 1.3674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00070455 = 1.6205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070454 = 1.3386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070428 = 3.0432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1899 @ 0.00070412 = 1.3371 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.619 = 2.476 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02588 = 1.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002875 = 0.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024601 = 0.0492 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024601 = 0.0984 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.0246 = 0.8856 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 69 @ 0.0258 = 1.7802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.02510001 = 1.506 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 46 @ 0.0251 = 1.1546 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0258 = 0.387 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.4499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025489 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.10989 = 0.3297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071038 = 2.806 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071117 = 3.073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00071118 = 5.4967 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0257 = 0.0771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.01019 = 0.051 BTC [+]
_aknap3: thestringpuller: I wouldn't know, to compare
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025489 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0257 = 0.0771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.02549 = 0.9176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00071118 = 16.1025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00071174 = 0.8327 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 122 @ 0.0255 = 3.111 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0255 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0258 = 0.387 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0258 = 0.645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0256 = 2.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 98 @ 0.0255 = 2.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 97 @ 0.0255 = 2.4735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.0255 = 0.8925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 247 @ 0.00085 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0255 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.0255 = 0.612 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002875 = 0.0144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0255 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.270001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 11 @ 0.27 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.02589 = 0.9838 BTC [+]
foglight: maybe exciting things are around the corner. maybe they'll change the background to blue
Chaaang-Noi: some risks like eric knowning the secret daily password so he or a hacker could take that number and win all the money, us govt, people lose interest, .001 id buy a few but not many
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 140 @ 0.0255 = 3.57 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: at anytime eric or a hacker could steall all the funds, it is a risk
Chaaang-Noi: saying it could happen and it is likely enough to think about when buying the stock
Chaaang-Noi: 50% or more of these sort of thing go tits up cuz of "hacker"
foglight: but i've made a lot off s.dice :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000858 = 0.0043 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.74 = 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0248 = 0.2728 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 7 @ 0.000858 = 0.006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.0255 = 0.9945 BTC [+]
bdk_kluge: I made a lot off Pirate in the past.
bdk_kluge: He just didn't give the hack excuse.
truffles: "Lindstrand has been urging companies to more aggressively pursue balloon-based wireless networks but says that no one has stepped up yet. "[Google X's Plan to Wire the World]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.588501 BTC [-]
bdk_kluge: How much would one of these balloons cost? What's involved in maintenance? I'm lacking towers in my area, and sure can't justify the cost of erecting one just for my own thing...
bdk_kluge: May actually be very viable in rural, forested areas.
truffles: theyre for non western countries im guessing
bdk_kluge: I was thinking about just mounting big metal arms on hill-top trees, but that's kind of a sucky solution.
truffles: let me just link u the article..
KRS-1: wouldnt bad weather move the balloons all around
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002873 = 0.5746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 85 @ 0.002875 = 0.2444 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 83 @ 0.00288 = 0.239 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: bdk_kluge> He just didn't give the hack excuse. he did not say anything much, we still dont know :/
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 122 @ 0.002885 = 0.352 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 81 @ 0.00289 = 0.2341 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 279 @ 0.00289 = 0.8063 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 120 @ 0.0255 = 3.06 BTC [+]
truffles: yea confirms my theory wanting to take over the world
bdk_kluge: Haven't they pretty much, already?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.0255 = 0.7905 BTC [+]
bdk_kluge: "But solar-powered balloons packed with a fuel cell and an onboard motor can remain stationary for up to five years and are “perfectly feasible.”" Idea died right there for me.
bdk_kluge: "it needs to be created by a small elite team with past airship experience" lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0255 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.19 = 0.76 BTC [-]
bdk_kluge: Wonder if you could just chain the balloons to something physical. I never measured wattage draw of Ubiquiti radio.... wonder how reasonable this is.
bdk_kluge: If the chain were tight, it might not move around too much to be unreasonable?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0255 = 0.2805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 25 @ 0.000857 = 0.0214 BTC [-]
truffles: dont assist in world domination!
bdk_kluge: Well, it can be tested out with trash bags and tape, so Hell yeah!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4230 @ 0.00071174 = 3.0107 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: i really dont see what sdice can do to recover. stale mate
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.608999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.609 = 1.218 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0255 = 0.2805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6270 @ 0.0007118 = 4.463 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: 25k coins to $10 either way, in fucking sane
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10989 = 0.2198 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0255 BTC [+]
bdk_kluge: Doesn't the double-wall generally indicate someone wants to manipulate us upward with fake stability? :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070814 = 3.0599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7779 @ 0.00070813 = 5.5085 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.0255 = 1.7085 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: looks like they are trying to force stability, and im okay with that
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.109988 = 0.6599 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: so media quits bitching about the unstability
bdk_kluge: They don't believe stability will aid in adoption and mid-term increase price?
bdk_kluge: (adoption, and more importantly, confidence)
Chaaang-Noi: stability and increase in price are oppisets
Chaaang-Noi: but yes, mid term to long term you are right
bdk_kluge: Or maybe it's a trap and I'm supposed to think the wall will enforce stability, when it's actually just readying for a massive dump!
bdk_kluge: But there are TWO walls! You can't explain that!
ericmuyser: ya we survived a bubble without much dispair
Chaaang-Noi: but man, i have a shit load of powder to buy back in
ericmuyser: ya so the wall is a bit closer on the up side this time by $5 and doubled, and highest it usually gets.. pretty cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007133 = 3.0822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10479 @ 0.00071361 = 7.4779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0255 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02558 = 0.2814 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.02559 = 1.3051 BTC [+]
qxzn: ericmuyser: what does AM stand for?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02565 = 0.3078 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.0007 = 0.0014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02565 = 0.1283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071078 = 3.0713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14829 @ 0.00071066 = 10.5384 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0254111 = 0.1016 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: wow wnt awat to walk dogs for 2 hours, almost nothing has pahhpened with asse3ts
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
bdk_kluge: It's 11p-3a in ImportantVille. What could possibly happen?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.27 = 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02575 = 0.0773 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 2.4499 = 22.0491 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.02565 = 0.8208 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0257 = 0.0514 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 2.45 = 24.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0257 = 0.3855 BTC [+]
saulimus: you know what would be cool? a S&P500 type of chart for all stocks on an exchange. would give a nice overview of stocks' performance.. it's annoying to just look at numbers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.02575 = 0.206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02575 = 0.1545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02589 = 0.1553 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: the best stock AM is not even listed on an exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.1326 = 2.2652 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.1327 = 2.2654 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.55 = 10.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0257 = 0.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.55 = 15.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 68 @ 0.02589 = 1.7605 BTC [+]
davout: hello fine assets crowd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.02589 = 0.2589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 125 @ 0.000857 = 0.1071 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 375 @ 0.000857 = 0.3214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.579 = 5.158 BTC [+]
Namworld: <?php echo 'Hello, world!'; ?>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 94 @ 0.02589 = 2.4337 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0257 = 0.514 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4298 = 0.8596 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4439 = 2.2195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 28 @ 0.444 = 12.432 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 15 @ 0.0007 = 0.0105 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0257 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 142 @ 0.0257 = 3.6494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0257 = 0.3341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.02589 = 1.0356 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.444 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02589 = 0.233 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6089 BTC [-]
inhies: still around? i just got home
inhies: just saw your post in the thread
inhies: thank you, i'll have to dig through it
inhies: i think i know enough python to make sense of it :)
parseval: If you're doing an app for yourself then you only need to run it once to get the credentials, then you can just save them
parseval: No more of that copy/paste stuff.
parseval: Now I'm having a problem in the same area.. it's like the only thing that works are the oob credentials. No callbacks are being made..
parseval: I know they must be, somehow, because they work on btcjam, but it's not visiting my callback_url at all
inhies: its not the verification that gets saved though is it?
inhies: i thoguht it was the credentials that ge made AFTER that
inhies: but i havent made it passed that yet with btctc and its been awhile since ive done oauth with anything else
parseval: Right, after you paste the verifier you will get another secret
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]
inhies: yea, tahts what i saved before
inhies: but im getting invalid verifier
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
inhies: ill look over this code tomorrow, its bedtime
inhies: if i cant get this to work i'll show you my code (its Go though)
inhies: and maybe we can figure it out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00071128 = 7.4684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00071066 = 3.4822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1487 @ 0.00071264 = 1.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3371 @ 0.00071361 = 2.4056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071364 = 3.0836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11721 @ 0.00071365 = 8.3647 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.289999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0257 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.0258 = 0.9804 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02579 = 2.579 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.02575 = 0.6695 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 86 @ 0.02575 = 2.2145 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.618 = 1.236 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.0257 = 0.8995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10583 @ 0.00071343 = 7.5502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.0255 = 1.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0254 = 0.0762 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.02575 = 0.3605 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 76 @ 0.0254111 = 1.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 272 @ 0.02540001 = 6.9088 BTC [-]
fiat500: hm, did AM stop solomining?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 228 @ 0.02540001 = 5.7912 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 750 @ 0.0254 = 19.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.0254 = 0.5588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.0258 = 0.5676 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: they usually have some go offline when thet are adding or tweaking
gribble: Current Blocks: 237674 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 213 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 5 hours, 12 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12062213.1227 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.821
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02588 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I am willing to pay top dollar for someone to help me cosign a mortgage. I have no family I can ask. I have good credit and equity. I need someone in California with good credit and high income."
bdk_kluge: I'd imagine there'd be quite a few drug dealers interested in creating such an offer.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.535 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.579 = 5.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.58 = 5.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0258 = 0.1032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.589 = 10.356 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.02588 = 1.5787 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02589 = 0.2071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02589 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.00287 = 0.0201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.51 = 7.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.565 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.51 = 5.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.512 BTC [+]
dub: !ticker bc asicminer-pt
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5001 BTC [-]
dub: !ticker bt asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 2.314 / 2.44787 / 2.589 (1144 shares, 2800.4 BTC), 7D: 1.81 / 2.3486 / 2.743 (5660 shares, 13293.1 BTC), 30D: 1.0711 / 1.82434 / 2.743 (13397 shares, 24440.7 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.50011 = 5.0002 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02589 = 0.1036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.538 = 5.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.538 = 5.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.539 = 10.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02589 = 0.3107 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.543999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.51 = 7.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.507 = 5.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.506 = 5.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.500002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 203 @ 2.500001 = 507.5002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.5 = 20 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0258 = 0.258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.501001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.501 = 5.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.0256 = 0.9728 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02551 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02551 = 0.2551 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0255 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.025314 = 1.0379 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.470001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.450003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.450002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.450001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025315 = 0.1266 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02589 = 1.0356 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0258 = 0.1548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025889 = 0.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00866 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.00865 = 0.0173 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.109988 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.504 = 25.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.0258 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.22 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.506 = 12.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0258 = 0.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0258 = 0.1548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0258 = 0.645 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.505 = 5.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 46 @ 0.0258 = 1.1868 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.0258 = 0.3612 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 98 @ 0.0258 = 2.5284 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0258 = 0.0774 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.529 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.025889 = 0.6731 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0254 = 0.2286 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Could TAT shares just be pegged to 1/100 the price of PT shares? I think theres alot of arbitrage going on between the prices of the two causing extra market volatility ... It just seems illogical that at times 100 TAT shares can cost more than 1 PT share when they only pay 95% of the PT dividend."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02579 = 0.2321 BTC [-]
parseval: That would be hell to implement
parseval: "Sorry, you can only offer your shares up for this price"
ThickAsThieves: dude just saw the best price somewhere else but couldnt afford a whole share
Diablo-D3: buy DMC shares and trade for the AM
Diablo-D3: yeah but you can sell them as TAT shares at whatever price you want
Diablo-D3: eventually the market will meet it
parseval: I saw that, it didn't even come up to a whole BTC for this div, at 9 btc paid out
Diablo-D3: which reminds me, I have another 14 BTC to pay out as div for DMC
parseval: It was like.. .45btc if my math is right
parseval: It's not a bad management fee at all
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 38 @ 2.505 = 95.19 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: unfortunately, many perceive the stock as being worth 5% less overall
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02535 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.025314 = 1.2404 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.025314 = 0.7847 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02531 = 0.0506 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02531 = 0.4809 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0253 = 1.771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0253 = 0.4554 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0252 = 0.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1714 @ 0.00287 = 4.9192 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2877 @ 0.00288 = 8.2858 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.02513 = 2.513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02579 = 0.2837 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.02579 = 0.6963 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.525 = 25.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02579 = 0.2321 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02575 = 0.206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02579 BTC [-]
davout: does anyone here have a link to the coinlab/mtgox contract
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02579 = 0.1547 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.109988 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1433 @ 0.0007 = 1.0031 BTC [+]
topace: jborkl: you there? send me a pm when you can
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 40 @ 0.0007 = 0.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2427 @ 0.0007 = 1.6989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02565 = 0.2309 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.003 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.003 = 0.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 600 @ 0.003 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]
davout: ThickAsThieves: thank you, googled, but didn't think about a simple CTRL+F on the reddit thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.3201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.02579 = 2.3211 BTC [-]
davout: ThickAsThieves: i'd rather deal with jerks than with morons
ThickAsThieves: technically less than 3000, as I still hold unissued shares
davout: and god knows we have enough idiots
davout: I myself stand on the divinding line, one foot on each side
fiat500: hold on its gonna be a rough ride
fiat500: nobody knows where this whole bitcoin thing is going
fiat500: that may me both good and bad
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025649 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: so fiat500 since you killed my jeep dream, what about this one?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.505001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0252 = 0.1512 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.80358, Best ask: 129.86464, Bid-ask spread: 0.06106, Last trade: 129.86464, 24 hour volume: 26104.88100134, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 129.80358, 24 hour vwap: 127.10958
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.465429 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000932714504797 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
gribble: Error: "gribblelag" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.524 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "amhash" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 576.38985 bitcoins offered at or under 129.99 USD, worth 74924.3917777 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0110 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4075.2949 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 529781.88109 USD in total. | Data vintage: 37.7323 seconds
fiat500: there are a lot of unhappy buyers with a weighted average buy-in >160
fiat500: i think if we ever get close to that we're gonna see a massive crash again as they dump
ThickAsThieves: bubbles will be the way until we get more people in this game
Scrat: fiat500: nop, these people don't hold any significant amounts
Scrat: a small drop maybe
topace: i still dont get the people that bought from me at 250+
topace: i even told them it was a bad idea
topace: but they insisted i take their money
Scrat: little jimmy that bought at 230 because he saw it on msnbc didn't really buy a whole lot
fiat500: Scrat: u have numbers on that?
Scrat: fiat500: source: my ass
fiat500: i know people who bought 100+ btc at 160
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00305 BTC [+]
davout: i stopped buying at 12EUR
Scrat: you must be filthy rich davout
davout: Scrat: believe me i'm not
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02565 = 0.2309 BTC [+]
davout: at current rates i can live comfortably a couple of years on my savings, but in my definition being filthy rich is like "i'll never work ever again, hmmm, which maserati should i get"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00305 = 0.0092 BTC [+]
Scrat: that's like 10 million
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.000857 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 93 @ 0.01019 = 0.9477 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.000857 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.025749 = 1.3389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.109988 = 1.0999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.109988 = 2.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.3201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0257 = 0.1542 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 93 @ 0.025749 = 2.3947 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: in my definition being filthy rich is like "i'll never work ever again, hmmm, which maserati should i get" :)
furuknap: In my definition, I've never worked a day in my life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02579 = 0.1032 BTC [+]
fiat500: ive done literally everythign i can do aside from day trade
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.444 = 1.776 BTC [+]
fiat500: already up 50% from last week
ThickAsThieves: make a chan bot that shows nethash, 3-day estimate and fukll stats in one
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 12047938.3143 based on data since last change | 12927011.6408 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 237698 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 189 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12047938.3143 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.6934
truffles: ] <ThickAsThieves> i prefer cats >>> me2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.02579 = 0.2837 BTC [+]
truffles: who actually joins chat rooms just to chat anyways
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00305 = 0.0183 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00305 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02579 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.02579 = 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 116 @ 0.02579 = 2.9916 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 79 @ 0.0257 = 2.0303 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0256 = 0.128 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0255 = 0.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02575 = 0.1288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.02579 = 0.6448 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.02579 = 0.5932 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02575 BTC [+]
deadweasel: but I've never seen a bitcoin in the wild soo, i'm not long for this world.
deadweasel: my only regret, is that I have bonitis.
truffles: some of these guys are good looking, i dont get it
deadweasel: it's a confidence matter, low confidence means they go for low-hanging 'fruit'
deadweasel: working my way up to top of the tree fruit.
deadweasel: although I'm discovering the more confidence I have the less I want a relationship.
truffles: i guess ppl would call it submissive
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00305 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 5263.6063 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 684109.733092 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0108 seconds
gribble: There are currently 40.736639 bitcoins demanded at or over 128.5 USD, worth 5234.65814677 USD in total. | Data vintage: 35.0680 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00305 = 0.0092 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.517 BTC [-]
deadweasel: no no, just don't want to be with dramatic low-confidence people, it sucks the energy out of me. it's a waste of time. I can't help them and they will only drag me down.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02575 = 0.9785 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02579 = 0.0516 BTC [+]
truffles: well d ont go for the insecure gals ldo
truffles: imo some guys go for the dumb or insecure girls cuz it makes em feel superior..
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00305 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 116 @ 0.02579 = 2.9916 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: Great Panther Silver Stock price: $0.78 Market Cap:$108M
Chaaang-Noi: ASICMiner Stock Price: BTC2.5($320) Market Cap:$128M
deadweasel: truffles, they go for dumb/insecure yes, but only because it's easy. The only feeling they get out of it is a blow job.
deadweasel: I don't think superior is the correct word for it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 68 @ 0.02579 = 1.7537 BTC [+]
deadweasel: most of the time, actually. hell, I'll settle for a handy.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.600031 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.60003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i don't always have the energy for sexathons
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 73 @ 0.0007 = 0.0511 BTC [+]
deadweasel: women are simple creatures too. they just want a good rogering.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.000725 = 0.0363 BTC [+]
deadweasel: truffles, that is why I don't have the energy. I did 4 hours of intense training last night, my knees barely support me today.
truffles: ure not a young guy eh, rogering lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00074 = 0.0222 BTC [+]
deadweasel: would you prefer I said "they jsut want their hairy axe wound pounded"?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 125 @ 0.025795 = 3.2244 BTC [+]
deadweasel: because I'm all for returning to my youth
truffles: i was lucky to avoid it in my teens also
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02574 = 0.4118 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i know, I'm more worried about resistant pathogens and genetic disorder being activated my modern chemicals/molecules
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 99 @ 0.00254 = 0.2515 BTC [-]
truffles: bitcoins are a fad though so no worries there : p
deadweasel: lol, no doubt. as long as I can keep taking my cut, I don't care. it may not be BTC that is the future currecny, but one of it's cousins.
deadweasel: i realize that. nobody can know for sure.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02574 = 0.2574 BTC [-]
deadweasel: frankly, I wonder where the development will come from. What if the 'devs' all go to a conference and their bus collapses through the I-5 bridge?
deadweasel: sure, the dev bus. they totally have those.
truffles: reminds me of Russian hockey team that all died on plane crash
deadweasel: Sea of Ostohk had an 8.2 magnitude earthquake, possiblity for tsunami in pacific rim.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000857 = 0.0017 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.0254 = 1.397 BTC [-]
deadweasel: well I don't know where you are and I still talk to you. ;P
joecool: deadweasel: it's a deep one though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02531 = 0.2278 BTC [-]
joecool: deadweasel: would not be too concerned
joecool: yeah it's ~610KM under the ground
joecool: the 5.7 in cali was probably more noticable at only 11KM of depth
truffles: no quakes here so it doesnt matter rly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.517 BTC [+]
joecool: the only one i felt was the one in VA a couple years ago
joecool: it traveled pretty far on the east coast
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.025121 = 0.5527 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.02511 = 2.0841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.025105 = 0.2259 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.025103 = 0.2259 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0251 = 0.2761 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 68 @ 0.0251 = 1.7068 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02555 = 0.4855 BTC [+]
deadweasel: I've only ever been in a 4.2 here in maine last year. I thought tanks were surrounding the building.
gribble: There are currently 13913764 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 19244166.833 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0625 seconds
gribble: There are currently 103683.56 bitcoins offered at or under 1.11111111111e+14 USD, worth 2.74759003559e+13 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.6013 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00071354 = 12.5583 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.05240, Best ask: 129.22000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16760, Last trade: 129.05240, 24 hour volume: 27992.05300410, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 129.99990, 24 hour vwap: 127.64484
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02549 = 0.5098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01139 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0114 = 0.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 90 @ 0.0119 = 1.071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 62 @ 0.012 = 0.744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02549 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01239 = 1.239 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01249 = 1.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01269 = 1.269 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 5 @ 0.0127 = 0.0635 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01279 = 1.279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 500 @ 0.0128 = 6.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0256 = 0.128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2439 @ 0.00071354 = 1.7403 BTC [+]
truffles: u find 1/4 can of alcohol, do u a) chug or b) throw out
joecool: could have a cigarette hiding in there
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5123 = 5.0246 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.29 = 1.16 BTC [+]
error4733: first time i see the 2 line dropping in the same way, i'm confused so i sold half of my btc and bought btc with the money ! make sens no ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01744 = 0.3139 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 103988.02 bitcoins offered at or under 1.11111111111e+21 USD, worth 2.74759004097e+13 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0408 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.109988 = 0.7699 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.02000, Best ask: 129.49990, Bid-ask spread: 0.47990, Last trade: 129.49990, 24 hour volume: 28129.22128504, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 129.99990, 24 hour vwap: 127.70212
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02572 = 2.572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.299994 = 2.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.322 = 3.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2463 @ 0.00071365 = 1.7577 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.5 = 7.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00305 = 0.0122 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.0031 = 0.031 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00315 = 0.0315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02555 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02555 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 3311.0913 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 430413.87183 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0120 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.510999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02555 = 0.2044 BTC [+]
furuknap: Chaang, help me understand Cognitive a bit, if you please...
furuknap: I understand they have stuff on order and favorably so.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02549 BTC [-]
furuknap: I know what you've aid about the guy running the operation, and let's assume I trust your judgement on that.
furuknap: What is it about the company in terms of revenue that could cause it to rise in value? It has not yielded any significant dividends so far and even with new equipment, it still would only compete with any other mining operation that gets the same equipment.
Chaaang-Noi: furuknap he is a long time mining op that has fpga and gpus, but is also now doing asics both bfl and avalon, its a good hedge if you hold asic miner
furuknap: I'm not saying it's good or bad, just trying to understand.
Chaaang-Noi: its only good if his bfl and or avalon stuff works out
Chaaang-Noi: if avalon and bfl fail forever then well AM is it...
Chaaang-Noi: but if you hold AM and worry about other asics then its a good option to hold some
furuknap: But let's assume it works out, both of them to be optimistic. What makes this asset different from other assets that also buys BFL and Avalons?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02572 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: i dont know of, or trust any of the other assets
Chaaang-Noi: but cognitive does have very early orders at bfl
gribble: There are currently 3042.5977 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 395536.480549 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.2836 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.509 BTC [-]
furuknap: Sure, which is an advantage short-term until BFL/Avalon/KnC/Whoever ships en masse.
furuknap: So it's a trust thing, not a fundamental valuation. That's fine, I understand. Thanks for your input :-)
Chaaang-Noi: and by that time we will ahve piles of coin and be able to buy more
Chaaang-Noi: his electric is low and he knows what he is doing
Chaaang-Noi: i just dont want to get fucked over any more...
furuknap: Neither am I, I'm just trying to learn about the assets and what brings people to go in any direction.
Chaaang-Noi: thats why i got into asic miner, i knew him from befoerw
gribble: There are currently 2329.5675 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 302843.726974 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.2856 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 130.00001, Best ask: 130.01570, Bid-ask spread: 0.01569, Last trade: 130.00001, 24 hour volume: 32267.69883300, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 130.01570, 24 hour vwap: 128.04359
furuknap: Clark moody shows trades >130...
furuknap: There should be a ;;slap command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02554 = 0.0511 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: well fuck me, here we are at 130.. and i thought we would be at 70
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02572 = 2.572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.480001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.48 = 19.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02528 = 0.5056 BTC [-]
furuknap: All EMAs still pointing upwards. 132 isn't going to be much of an issue.
fiat500: EMAs by definition cannot predict the future
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2439 = 1.7073 BTC [+]
truffles: historical prices dont predict future prices..
Chaaang-Noi: we all kow at any time satoshi could sell 1,000,000 btc at market price
Chaaang-Noi: are that buffet could market buy 100,000,000 $
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.4749 = 4.9498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02572 = 0.2315 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 131.74448, Best ask: 131.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.25551, Last trade: 131.74448, 24 hour volume: 35059.91485832, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 132.00000, 24 hour vwap: 128.33951
furuknap: A lot of people still trade on EMAs, as do bots. It's no clear prediction, but an indication. The world could end tomorrow, you don't stay away from trading just because of that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0257945 = 2.5795 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: fridays for some reason have been the big days the last few weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 241 @ 0.02572 = 6.1985 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.244 = 3.416 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: even though the price is up, there is no depth, selling 1 million usd still gets less than 127 like it was 2 hours ago
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 131.70000, Best ask: 131.75315, Bid-ask spread: 0.05315, Last trade: 131.70000, 24 hour volume: 36093.45621082, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 132.02274, 24 hour vwap: 128.46488
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.025401 = 0.7874 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 345 @ 0.02540001 = 8.763 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.0254 = 0.3556 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 110 @ 0.0254 = 2.794 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02545 = 0.0509 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00315 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0256 = 0.0768 BTC [+]
bitesak: nice having the log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: Error: "lag" is not a valid command.
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.715716 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00343827565389 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.0254 = 0.2286 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 29 @ 0.00315 = 0.0914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1344 @ 0.00071465 = 0.9605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 131.10001, Best ask: 131.38500, Bid-ask spread: 0.28499, Last trade: 131.10001, 24 hour volume: 36769.14352521, 24 hour low: 125.11000, 24 hour high: 132.02274, 24 hour vwap: 128.59918
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0253 = 0.2277 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: you guys know rg is alive and well in the #litecoin chan?
truffles: theres a guy with alias rg that talks a lot in -otc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.025649 = 0.3334 BTC [+]
truffles: maybe Esha can recharge ur batteries
Chaaang-Noi: i thought rg scammed or failed with bitvps or whaever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
deadweasel: while i'm not working at the office, I'm also not watching youtube. much easier to pretend work in terminal window
truffles: still waiting on this invention that protects babies in cars
deadweasel: you know what protects babies in cars? the structural cage and the driver.
deadweasel: car seat just prevents broken babies from seatbelts/bouncing baby brains.
deadweasel: nope, but I'll watch later, thanks aknap3
truffles: pretty genius invention by liberkowski
deadweasel: old desires with no real practicality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+]
truffles: if it helps with a zombi apocalypse sure
deadweasel: nope, not unless I had 50MW of solar power generation and shit ton of supercaps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.025649 = 0.4617 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.443 = 4.43 BTC [-]
truffles: ive lacked mojo past 5 days also
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.025649 = 1.026 BTC [+]
truffles: i think im going to have to watch some shark tank to help heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 299 @ 0.025649 = 7.6691 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.02565 = 0.4361 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.025649 = 0.2308 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 38 @ 0.109988 = 4.1795 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: This bet will have more total BTC bet on Yes than on No before it closes.
qxzn: it's like satoshidice, basically
ThickAsThieves: bet like that could have some great earnings potential too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.02565 = 2.4881 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02565 = 0.0513 BTC [+]
deadweasel: you'd make a lot in bets that were sent just past closing too
deadweasel: trying to get in at the last second with a big bet
ThickAsThieves: yeah it was rejected a while back, but a man can dream
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.46 BTC [-]
deadweasel: sorta seals the deal, makes it more likely to get posted
gribble: There are currently 5841.4468 bitcoins offered at or under 135.0 USD, worth 783226.881293 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0117 seconds
Scrat: i am in that bitbet
gribble: There are currently 13833282 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 18996948.4385 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.5454 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 237723 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 164 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours, 42 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12041077.3016 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.63207
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.490997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2666 @ 0.00071465 = 1.9053 BTC [+]
qxzn: the only thing that interests me about the difficulty bet is arbing it when it strays from 505
qxzn: does bitbet have any decent kind of api?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.490997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.025051 = 0.6513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.02505 = 1.7535 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: not like you could ensure your bet doesnt set it off balance
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025016 = 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00071473 = 10.3636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3434 @ 0.00071608 = 2.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.490998 BTC [+]
qxzn: mircea_popescu I haven't looked closely at bitbet yet, but like getting the current odds and the sizes behind the odds, I suppose.
qxzn: ThickAsThieves really that's not calculatable with published information?
mircea_popescu: the depositing part works by design in the sense that once you get an addy you can use it for as long as the bet exists
qxzn: mircea_popescu It's funny, I actually tend not to encourage sites to make apis as I know I can screen-scrape and have less competition :P
kakobrekla: uh i hope you use some html dom instead
mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say, it's pretty much in the html dom
qxzn: kokbrekla yeah that's what I mean
ThickAsThieves: if i had a site like that I'd fuck with the html daily to mess with botters
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem. people setting their own bots to marketmake provides liquidity.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.491 = 7.473 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why'd deter humans ? recall, this is parimutuel. humans knowing their bets will be covered is encouraging
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02506 = 0.0501 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.025 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.025 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.025 = 0.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.025399 = 0.1524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.109988 = 2.3097 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0249 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02485 = 0.2485 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.024702 = 1.0375 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the human either has a side or doesn't. if he doesn't he;s not betting anyway.
qxzn: parimutuel betting is over my head. no wonder mircea_popescu likes it, it's complicated like options.
mircea_popescu: if he does he's glad to hear somebody will cover the odds.
qxzn: mircea_popescu this is a losing argument
ThickAsThieves: it would be hard, but I wish there was a way to study it
qxzn: people "just don't like" bots
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.0032 = 0.0128 BTC [+]
qxzn: except when they are capable of creating their own, of course
qxzn: then they like them
mircea_popescu: if he knows a bot will cover to 18-18 then he knows he gets fair odds
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.02565 = 0.3848 BTC [+]
qxzn: if you are trying to provide liquidity on a stock exchange without a computer, you're going to be frustrated
qxzn: but if you are trying to take liquidity, you might be glad there are bots
qxzn: (by "without a computer" i mean "without a bot")
qxzn: eh, I'm skeptical of the valuable of having a bunch of novice traders bouncing around these exchanges
ThickAsThieves: an exchange doesn tcare what kind of experience you have
mircea_popescu: <qxzn> eh, I'm skeptical of the valuable of having a bunch of novice traders bouncing around these exchanges <<
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0254 = 0.508 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.02532101 = 0.4811 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.025321 = 0.3292 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.02532 = 0.7596 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0251 = 0.1506 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.025 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.025 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.024751 = 0.2475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 176 @ 0.02475 = 4.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.0246 = 9.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.02450001 = 6.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0245 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.02420002 = 3.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 155 @ 0.0242 = 3.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.0242 = 7.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02410001 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0241 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 45 @ 0.024 = 1.08 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: can you not picture an envorinment where people say "I dont trade on X, too many f'n bots"
jborkl: I anyone is interested, O.USD.P125N < I will sell these puts starting tomorrow = bot current price * .75 = my price
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024703 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024702 = 0.0494 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.024701 = 0.3705 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.025 = 1.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 466 @ 0.024 = 11.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.02400000 / 0.02499466 / 0.02600000 (13565 shares, 339.05256733 BTC), 7D: 0.01855000 / 0.02373765 / 0.03000000 (126086 shares, 2992.98474507 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.02046073 / 0.03000000 (224770 shares, 4598.95817803 BTC)
qxzn: There are a couple reasons to trade. 1: you are investing. In that case, you don't care about bots. 2: you are arbing/providing liquidity. in that case, you should have bots because it's more efficient in terms of human labor. 3: you are speculating / doing "thinky" fundamentals trading. see case 1.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 17 @ 0.01744 = 0.2965 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 15 @ 0.01744 = 0.2616 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0175 BTC [+]
qxzn: well yes, there are some particular cases where you can beat the bot
mircea_popescu: just like the bot that went deeply into the bitbet bet thinking it's 50-50
mircea_popescu: but then it's discovered the code is bad and odd is twice as common as even
qxzn: I sorta throw all that into my case #3
mircea_popescu: person knowing it's really 2/3 rather than 50-50 could basically take all the bot's liquidity
qxzn: bot writers have to be careful about not having their house completely cleaned out
ThickAsThieves: i imagine stock exchange bots could also be gamed then
qxzn: there are ways to game bots if you are clever, and the bot isn't defensively enough written
qxzn: yes, but you won't beat my bots that way :)
qxzn: make markets more efficient :)
inhies: read an article that touched on that
inhies: knowing the trading patterns of other bots, when the mean bot saw that the nice bot was gonna start buying, mean bot buys first and then sells to nice bot at a markup
jborkl: I will also be selling O.USD.C170N = Same terms as above. bot price * 0.75 = my price
furuknap: Bot market trading is really just the first step of the battle of man versus machine. Soon, they'll start developing weapons and our bodies will be props in the next Terminator movie.
inhies: furuknap: i can only hope :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024801 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 510 @ 0.0248 = 12.648 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0247 = 0.247 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.025 = 0.3 BTC [+]
jborkl: whats up queen Amadala
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 2.491 = 32.383 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.509999 = 5.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.024602 = 0.4182 BTC [-]
furuknap: Bah, tytus... That _was_ an honest mistake...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0247 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024602 = 0.0738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.024601 = 0.3444 BTC [-]
jborkl: the bitbet on diff. what digit determines the even number?
jborkl: 11 million is 1 and 1, but 21 million is 2 and 1
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.50997 BTC [-]
furuknap: The mining asset market is completely bonkers. Absolutely insane. Its investors are equally utterly and undeniably mad. Most likley, that includes me. There, now I said it. Carry on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5375 @ 0.00071465 = 3.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7730 @ 0.00071354 = 5.5157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00071343 = 0.4402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025295 = 0.5059 BTC [+]
deadweasel: i've spent more time and money setting up my miners than I'll EVAR get back.
furuknap: Miners themselves are even more crazy.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.025295 = 0.1518 BTC [+]
furuknap: Yeah, and that includes me too :-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.025295 = 0.4553 BTC [+]
deadweasel: i think the whole of BTC are borderline personalities
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.025295 = 0.253 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.025295 = 0.1518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.50997 BTC [-]
furuknap: I would argue mad, and by mad I mean that there is no correlation between numbers and decisions and people seem to not notice in the least.
furuknap: Let me take one example, not very taken out of thin air, and not meant to talk anyone or thing down...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.025298 = 0.3542 BTC [+]
furuknap: PAJKA bonds are nice little animals run by a seemingly honest person that has been chugging along nicely and yielding a reasonable profit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14078 @ 0.00071086 = 10.0075 BTC [-]
furuknap: However, they are capped now at 3MH/s per share and will forever be capped at 15 MH/s when their new ASICs arrive. Which is fine. It's a fixed rate, people should know what they're buying.
furuknap: Then there's 100TH, which granted isn't delivering yet, but let's just forego that and chalk it up to risk and look at expected revenue. 100TH is fixed at 200MH/s, and if things go according to plan, that will be operational sometime this summer, let's sau August to pick a date.
jurov: ...and while everyone is expertly smelling and analyzing mining turds, never before seen pattern emerges unnoticed: *both* s.mpoe and btcusd go up... causes me goosebumps.
furuknap: You would somehow expect that if PAJKA (or any other bond, really, I'm not picking on them) would be dropping in price to match the value of the share once more powerful bonds like 100TH (or anyone, really and I'm not praising them either) come online.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.49 = 4.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.48101 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: personally i dont understand why anyone would buy a fixed-hash mining asset, unless they were trying to short-term speculate to sell
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.481 = 7.443 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: at least with AM, you know they will hold a % of the network
furuknap: This is the halving effect I've been touting for the past few weeks in practice. We know that once a more powerful bond comes online, the less powerful bonds will drop in dividends. It's simple math, plus and minus. So why aren't anyone even noticing this?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025298 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: furuknap you seem so unaware of the fundamental problems of mining for some reason
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4801 = 4.9602 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: here's a hint : it is not, overall, a profitable venture on a cash basis approach
furuknap: Oh, I know that. Mining is an investment in dropping prices. I hate it every time I see BTC go up because I hold some mining
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4711 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.46 BTC [-]
jborkl: The quality of the mining operator, makes a huge difference. A technically challenged person will have a very hard time- even with good equipment
furuknap: I also know that, I'm a big fan of numbersd, remember? :-) I've run the scenarios so many times I see Excel sheets in the back of my eyelids when I blink.
jborkl: A very technically proficient operator with poorer equipment, can still do well. You have to be good though
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.46 BTC [-]
furuknap: I've read it previously. I was attending that thread a bit later on.
mircea_popescu: worse than fx issues, worse than the abundance of scammers,
ThickAsThieves: the quote is great insight, but we don't know WHEN that will happen
mircea_popescu: mining is a commodified market with large excess capacity
furuknap: The commoditizaion is why I want to look at profitability in mining companies over the long term, and thus why I sold out of AM earlier.
ThickAsThieves: but can they not stay a leg up for the foreeable future?
mircea_popescu: i am personally convinced that satoshi deliberately created the mining trap
mircea_popescu: as a way to even the playing field (figuring moneyed interest will fall in, independent geeky types will avoid it)
mircea_popescu: it's fascinating to me to see that it's mostly the idnependents falling in it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem is not that. the problem is the maintenance cost of that dominance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5528 @ 0.00071608 = 3.9585 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the benefit is that AM both sells textiles AND sewing machines
furuknap: mp, I think I also spoke to that no later than today somewhere :-) Look, I think I understand what you mean, and if I do, my analysis follows that suit, albeit with likely different evaluations of risk and hope.
ThickAsThieves: the life of the mining hardware sales market is surely longer than the mining farm efforts
mircea_popescu: the value of the sweing machines is strictly in cutting its textile market
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's pretty much the only actual alpha scenario here.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves inasmuch as the machines are sold for more than they're worth, the people buying are making a loss
mircea_popescu: there's a finite loss to be thus funneled into investor pockets.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it'd have been better to not sell them at all.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.025298 = 0.3036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves taking the burlington example, the only +ev move is if the war comes and they're converting to making ammo and selling it to the brits on us guaranteed credit.
mircea_popescu: so ya, maybe we end up with alien messages and am gets a 1.5bn govt grant to crack it
mircea_popescu: then there's added value to the pool and everyone's happy
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 132.60001, Best ask: 132.70182, Bid-ask spread: 0.10181, Last trade: 132.60001, 24 hour volume: 40837.89188148, 24 hour low: 125.12102, 24 hour high: 133.98000, 24 hour vwap: 129.30293
furuknap: "And to sweeten the deal and get those shares moving I've decided to chuck in my bitcoin advertising earnings from my NSFW monetized Porn blogs as a monthly bonus dividend" <- I mean, c'mon, how can one _not_ take the mining asset market seriously?
furuknap: "Yeah, we'll develop and sell iPads and iPhones and iMacs and stuff, but we'll also throw in the tips we get from stripping at the local joint"
furuknap: The later one was my parody in an Apple shareholder agreement, if that's what surprised you.
furuknap: Yeah, for some definition of 'good'.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025398 = 0.127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00071899 = 4.242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00071919 = 9.6012 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.025399 = 1.1176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025398 = 0.127 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02543 = 0.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00071919 = 4.7107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6056 @ 0.00072037 = 4.3626 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.0255 = 1.836 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.0255 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.489 = 4.978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.245 = 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10701 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.025419 = 0.7117 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4557 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4556 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.432001 = 24.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 2.431 = 29.172 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.43 = 7.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.390201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.3902 = 16.7314 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025419 = 0.5084 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 132.02437, Best ask: 132.37998, Bid-ask spread: 0.35561, Last trade: 132.37999, 24 hour volume: 42001.81799218, 24 hour low: 125.12102, 24 hour high: 133.98000, 24 hour vwap: 129.44076
furuknap: Just remove 2. from best ask and you're virtually there.
fiat500: and some eastern european titties
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5944 @ 0.00072037 = 4.2819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00072103 = 3.9339 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024905 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024905 BTC [-]
fiat500: well, perhaps shot in america, but they are probably from the ukraine
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.395 = 14.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.390201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.3902 = 19.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.352 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.351 = 4.702 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.35 = 16.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.322 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.35 = 14.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.464999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.024905 = 1.2203 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.024904 = 0.1743 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024903 = 0.2739 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.024901 = 0.8217 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.464999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.3301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024901 = 0.2739 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.33 = 4.66 BTC [-]
fiat500: interesting, that was 1 purchase of 1PT offset by sale of 100 100PT shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.465 BTC [+]
fiat500: if that was the same person
fiat500: his 100PT shares were cheaper, even considering the 5% tribute to TAT
aknap3: If I were to dump, I'd do it on a Tuesday
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0248 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.024752 = 0.5445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.02475 = 1.98 BTC [-]
aknap3: but I don't have any shares right now :)
aknap3: fiat500: full of hope for divs
aknap3: hope fetches higher prices than reality
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.00315 = 0.0378 BTC [-]
aknap3: also why I like calls so much
fiat500: i mean, its going to take 6 months worth of divs to make an amount equivalent to what ive made simply due to appreciation
aknap3: that'll cause a temporery dip
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024601 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.024601 = 0.7626 BTC [-]
aknap3: then when BTC/USD drops, bunch of cheaply gained BTC enters the market and buys wrecklessly
fiat500: so selling before divs is a great idea assuming theres panic buying before
fiat500: aknap3: thats actually more likely once the ASICS reach mainstream
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.463 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: dpending on when friedcat processes xfers to exchanges
furuknap: mp, I hadn't seen that internet story video. Very, very cool, thanks for sharing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0246 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0245 = 0.1715 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.464999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.02442 = 0.8303 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.483999 BTC [+]
fiat500: interesting that all this movement is on BTCT but HI is quiet
fiat500: anyone here trade on havelock?
aknap3: I have an account there. tried it once.
aknap3: TAT seems to like the issuer interface
aknap3: I think the setup for transfering between there and mpex has great potential, actually a model that should be copied
aknap3: topace: didn't think you were paying attention :)
aknap3: for my own trading, I don't use it because I prefer to play options
topace: i glance here from time to time
aknap3: but I'd be there all the time otherwise -- plus, I'm Canadian
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24016 @ 0.00072103 = 17.3163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.0007215 = 13.4199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00072276 = 9.5404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0007231 = 7.1948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7661 @ 0.00072464 = 5.5515 BTC [+]
topace: hehe well, options might be coming soon (tm) to a havelock investments near you!
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.02515 = 1.2575 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 237741 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 146 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12044374.8897 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.66155
☟︎ fiat500: topace: cool, thinking of moving some coins to trade there
fiat500: good thing i didnt bother with difficulty futures :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.025 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02515 = 0.0503 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 12046750.2718 based on data since last change | 12915013.3734 based on data for last three days
furuknap: Fascinating. This has been an announcement about an observation of no relatable quality.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.420002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.605001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.43 = 7.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.477995 = 7.434 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 71 @ 0.000857 = 0.0608 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.025149 = 0.7042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.025149 = 0.1509 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0247 = 0.0988 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.024999 = 0.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4745 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.4311 = 4.8622 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431 BTC [-]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: aha, and explains the lack of movement elsewhere
fiat500: thanks for pointing it out
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.441 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.5885 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.430001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024999 = 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.02451 = 1.2255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0245 = 0.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.02442 = 0.6349 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.431 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.44 = 7.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 106 @ 0.0247 = 2.6182 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 190 @ 0.0244 = 4.636 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0243 = 0.0972 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4748 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [+]
parseval: I'm glad that worked for you inhies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.5 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 29 @ 0.443 = 12.847 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.5001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47198 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.471988 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.472 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.471979 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00075 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.4749 = 9.8996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 120 @ 0.0245 = 2.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.475 = 12.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024998 BTC [+]
pgp: question: is there anything preventing the creation of a transaction for 0 BTC, but with a miner fee so that it would pickup up?
pgp: the reason i ask is that all the passthru nonsense seems so cumbersome - seems to me like you could use the block chain to move shares around, no?
fiat500: the passthrough makes it easier to trade on an exchange
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.335 = 1.005 BTC [+]
pgp: but they're not fungible
pgp: why not imbed them in the blockchain in the comments field - seems to me that it could be done pretty easily so your shares could exist in your wallet and could be moved to where you want
pgp: provided, of course, that every agrees on a format for such a comments
kakobrekla: 23:50.17 ( pgp ) question: is there anything preventing the creation of a transaction for 0 BTC, < yes, with 0.8xx theres a min set... cant have txes smaller than i dont remember howmany satoshi
fiat500: pgp: some of them are fungible
pgp: yes, but you have to push the shares, requires someone to do it for you, etc
fiat500: blockchain is not the most efficient data structure for this kind of stuff
fiat500: when you are distributing dividends etc
jurov: pgp i actually stumbled upon similar txs
jurov: some outputs were 0
pgp: seems to me that you could use the blockchain for lots of stuff besides BTC
pgp: but if there is a min quantity, that's a problem
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024799 = 0.0744 BTC [-]
fiat500: yeah you could use it to communicate video data if you want but its not an efficient way to do it
pgp: even with a miner fee?
mircea_popescu: as to the blockchain shares, it's called colored coins. it has it's own problems
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of miner fees. nonstandard tx are not relayed.
jurov: pgp, for sharing big data in blockchain-esqe way, there's freenetproject
pgp: but to decentralize the ledgering of othe assets seems like an intersting application
jurov: ut as it has limited capacity, it forgets unused files
jurov: you did read trilema treatise on the decentralized exchanges?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02430001 = 0.0486 BTC [-]
jurov: so i think yes the ownership can and will be tracked by some blockchain mechanism
jurov: but markets will stay centralized
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 56 @ 0.0243 = 1.3608 BTC [-]
pgp: I did not read the trilema article about decentralized exchanges - link?
jurov: [00:05] just below <mircea_popescu> ;;google why i nixed jazz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0243 = 0.6075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024272 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.02400001 = 0.384 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0026 BTC [-]
pgp: yeah, so what about it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 107 @ 0.02400001 = 2.568 BTC [-]
pgp: I'm refering to a idea about moving asset custody. For example, why not have a mechnism "like" the blockchain to move ASICM to whatever exchange you want.
pgp: or keep it in you own wallet
fiat500: exchanges have no incentive to implement that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47 BTC [-]
pgp: public ledger would make divs a breeze
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0241 = 0.6025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0242 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.024799 = 1.1408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.0245 = 0.5635 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.0248 = 0.3968 BTC [+]
pgp: are you a bit biased?
mircea_popescu: you know this is diosxcussed in the article you apparently don't want to read.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.450001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 202 @ 0.0245 = 4.949 BTC [+]
pgp: I read it - what are you specifically referring to?
mircea_popescu: that i am not biased, but in a perfect position to implement it
furuknap: I'll still argue that you're stuck, though, mp. Colored coins in the BTC blockchain may not work, but nothing prevents an alternate chain, tailored to the needs of an asset market, to evolve. Thinking in terms of what is possible or conceivable now is limiting.
mircea_popescu: the objection is that this thing wouldn't actually add any benefit.
pgp: what is meant by colored coins?
mircea_popescu: creating some special coins which denote ownership of shares.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.024 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0243 = 0.0972 BTC [+]
furuknap: It would add benefit if it could solve problems that an asset market has or will get.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0242 = 1.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0241 = 0.241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.02400002 = 0.384 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.477795 = 19.8224 BTC [+]
furuknap: We may not see that right now, but none of us saw in 2008 what problems Bitcoin would solve either. Otherwise, we'd be called Satoshi Nakamoto.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
furuknap: That's one of the things that fascinate me with cryptocurrencies; it allows us to explore (and in altcoin land, test) new ideas for working with values.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.35 = 3.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but sure, in general speaking the world is not complete so you never know.
furuknap: OK, so here's one problem that current asset market doesn't solve. Insider trading or what we consider unethical price manipulation, legal or otherwise. I don't have a solution, but a BTC-based or derived system may bring forth ideas that could control or somehow reverse illegal actions, as defined by whatever jurisdiction.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4511 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
furuknap: I don't know, that's the point. If I had the solution, I would tell you, honestly :-)
mircea_popescu: what we're looking for is a conceivable problem they might solve.
furuknap: For instance, again not particularly thought out, bans on shares held by denoted key insiders before or during important events. A deadlock on trades with those shares could reverse the trade (to be declared to the buyer) if breach of whatever happened.
mircea_popescu: you'd never know the insider handles. kinda the point of crypto currency
TomServo: Would it somehow allow a failed exchange to transfer shares to another? Or is that not even an issue?
furuknap: Again, now you're thinking in BTC mode.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 4 @ 0.000857 = 0.0034 BTC [-]
TomServo: Or an owner of assets on a failed exchange, I should say.
mircea_popescu: TomServo well i don't see how it'd do better than what's currently in place atm
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.45 = 17.15 BTC [-]
FabianB: not much difference between failed (dead) altcoin and failed exchange
TomServo: I will take a look. Honestly, I don't know much other than it sounds like the glbse closure was a fuckshow.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1071 BTC [+]
qxzn: Has anyone else noticed that BTCTC could easily stand for BTC Trash Can?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I didn't realize bitvps was listed on mpex originally. Why the transfer?
mircea_popescu: list of holder gpg keys encrypted with owner's key publioshed on btctalk
mircea_popescu: unlike the horrorshow of glbse etc emails, this is the actual standard i'd say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00072373 = 2.2436 BTC [-]
BitHub: hey mp do you have mpex upgrade/revampl plans for the next few months posted on your blog i could read about?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6518 @ 0.00072453 = 4.7225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00072464 = 4.566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6317 @ 0.00072539 = 4.5823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7914 @ 0.00072567 = 5.743 BTC [+]
BitHub: ahh back from feb, not much changing from that?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00070412 / 0.00071388 / 0.00072567 (472070 shares, 337.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00065751 / 0.00069026 / 0.00072567 (3441360 shares, 2,375.45 BTC), 30D: 0.00064 / 0.0006983 / 0.00076528 (10796515 shares, 7,539.21 BTC)
qxzn: pgp: "I'm refering to a idea about moving asset custody. For example, why not have a mechnism "like" the blockchain to move ASICM to whatever exchange you want." this sounds a lot like ripple
pgp: ok - so - why are "colored coins" such a bad idea? I am not suggesting any sort of p2p exchange, just ledgering and the ability to trade you shares on differenet exchanges.
BitHub: any new ipo's coming up?
pgp: but their consensus engine does seem interesting
BitHub: just analysing what i should do with the mpoe stock
qxzn: the problem is that shares on one exchange have different value than shares on another exchange
qxzn: mostly because of variance in counterparty risk
BitHub: i would actually like to sign up and use it, something different from BF and btct
BitHub: but don't think its really suited for me atm
mircea_popescu: pgp for one, you will have the normal confirmation delay. for the other, how do you pay the miners ?
pgp: yes, but let's look at how it work for financial markets. I can hold a stock certificate in my name (personal wallet), or I can deposit with my broker and put it in "street" name (broker's wallet and trade it on an exchange - ANY exchange - in the US that would mean 7 major exchanges, but 20 or so dark pools. Every share is identical and fungible.
pgp: I don't care about delay, just the ability to move it
TomServo: pgp: I think opentransactions might be the thing you're looking for.
BitHub: idont know it just exciting when it first was around
mircea_popescu: you can "own" it but in the terms of, some clearance corp saying so and that's all there is.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to administer the physical stuff anymore, too expensive, forgeries etc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477794 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: you asking if open-transactions is being tinkered on/
BitHub: what if exchanges agreed to allow users from one exchange to exchange the same shares with another user on another asset exchange
mircea_popescu: BitHub htye already do, for pretty much all mpex shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0248 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024997 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.55000001 BTC [-]
BitHub: some mpex BF intergration would be sweet
pgp: btw, you most certainly can request a stock certificate at any time - hassle and not common - but people do it for many reasons
BitHub: digital stock cert could be linked to a qr code or something <--n00b at this stuff
pgp: but having some sort of non exchange controlled mechanism to prove, for example, that there are no conterfiet share out there, seems like a worthy goal
mircea_popescu: as it won't push out div if the share count is > the declared count
pgp: or anonymous addresses
pgp: or really, an altchain
pgp: *of* anonymous addresses
mircea_popescu: this fetish people have for blockchains is being exploited atm by all the altchain scams.
mircea_popescu: fact is an altchain is trustworthy just for being an altchain to the same degree that written text can be trusted just for being written on paper.
mircea_popescu: paper will take anything, the blockchain idea will take anything.
BitHub: BF mpex intergration example, i could have an account at bf and mpex and buy shares from bf and transfer it to mpex for a fee, both exchanges share the fee. Now i can trade my sdice shares on mpex, vice versa
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024997 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0244 = 0.244 BTC [+]
BitHub: true? i would love to understand it
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.36 = 2.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024997 = 0.125 BTC [+]
BitHub: ore just see more seamless intergration between btct, mpex, havelock, BF
pgp: ok - so the sort of thing that is possible today is much like ADR and ordinary shares. They are convertible for a fee, they trade on different exchange, and it's a hassle to convert.
pgp: but it the only solution for dealing with DIFFERENT base currencies...
pgp: BTC assets are the same currency, but same hassle? why?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.0243 = 0.9963 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and everyone else uses weak ownership (no contracts ; fiat ownership)
jurov: i think mp is the wrong person to ask things from... you want to have corporations that issue something like gpg-signed share certificates
jurov: then it will be only a question to get exchanges to recognize them
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and so at the interface between hard and soft you will have a gap
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.477795 = 4.9556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.02400001 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.02400001 = 0.168 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov well basically listing on mpex does that exactly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.0032 = 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 28 @ 0.0032 = 0.0896 BTC [+]
TomServo: I think open transactions is meant to solve these issues.
jurov: TomServo: is meant to or it actually solves? why friedcat isn't using it, for example?
jurov: if he hates "classic" exchanges
TomServo: jurov: I guess 'is meant to' at this point - it appears incomplete
TomServo: But it sounds promising with evidently having solved the cross server discover issue
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024997 = 0.05 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: there is no possibility for a corporation to have multiple counterparties on the same level as mpex
jurov: it's only possible to have everything on mpex and then passthroughs
mircea_popescu: well, leaving aside that there isn't a 2nd mpex to begin with, having no hierarchy means you'll have to face the byzantine problem
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.024997 = 0.7749 BTC [+]
jurov: yes i know, but i'm optimistic it will be solved long term
mircea_popescu: maybe. i'm still not sure why exactly it is a problem.
ThickAsThieves: typing from mobile, but it seems to me you guys are requesting a feature of inter exchange xfer,
ThickAsThieves: is u wanna arb without the risk of taking a position on all xchanhes
TomServo: I thought the problem was not having to trust a third party?
jurov: it's also trust. mp seems to think about it as nonissue that mpex is to be the apex trusted with all shares
mircea_popescu: im not sure why this is difficult to digest, but finance is fundamentally fiduciary.
ThickAsThieves: if u wanna make fukn money on arb, take positions and risk
mircea_popescu: i don't think at any point in the > 5000 years history of arbing
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477795 BTC [+]
jurov: yes. and then passthrough op vanishes
jurov: like brendio for example
mircea_popescu: thats a good example cause he seemed real trustworthy all through and never had a good reason to disappear
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, if you've never tried having a girl sit in your lap while you're sitting on one of those large yoga inflatable rubber balls you must do so forthwith
qxzn: < mircea_popescu> trustless finance is nonsense.
furuknap: Wonder when someone will come up with an LTC AM PT.
Namworld: Brendio didn't really disappear. He eventually showed up after harassing him.
Namworld: He just kind of carried on when GLBSE closed and couldn't bother when GLBSE disclosed the lists.
furuknap: I haven't looked into that exchange at all, but the AM PT just recently launched so either someone is very stupid or very brave if this is a scam site.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.469999 = 4.94 BTC [-]
furuknap: The site is trading with a massive 4 full AM shares, though (it's a 1/1000 PT) so I'm not expecting any huge market moves elsewhere.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.02400009 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.02400009 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.469999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.47 = 24.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.435 = 5.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02400009 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 173 @ 0.02400009 = 4.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02499 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02400009 = 0.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12135 @ 0.00072567 = 8.806 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.02400009 = 0.768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02400009 = 0.072 BTC [+]
furuknap: Cool. Of course, if Bitcoins goes to $1M each, then you'd also be famous for being the person that bought a Bentley GT for $375M.
ThickAsThieves: you could say that abiut all the dollars never spent on bitcoin