assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.7567 = 12.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.7567 = 2.2701 BTC [-]
mjr_: i think its awesome that you can buy shares literally right before the dividend and still get them
mjr_: especially if the market doesn't seem to want to price them in
mjr_: i see no reason not to just hold it, but you could just get in and out on dividend day]
mod6: I was going to add though, it is great to have a way to submit orders right through the textarea with the submit button. I used to do a lot of orders by hand until I wrote the perl thingy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00067189 = 2.8891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006658 = 2.8769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7979 @ 0.00066565 = 5.3112 BTC [-]
mod6: So that's an awesome way to do manual orders or do some testing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1571 @ 0.00066565 = 1.0457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.0006649 = 4.3551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00066411 = 1.9452 BTC [-]
mod6: Even with BitOTTer, the users will have to know how to use PGP (gpg) tools to use it though. So learning this is still required.
mod6: At minimum they'll have to export their private key from their keyring to an asciiarmored output, so that at least...
mod6: (that along with their public key)
mod6: those files will have to be copied onto the device in the manual way, and then they'll be able to be read in and secured, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7803 @ 0.00066411 = 5.1821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4732 @ 0.00066316 = 3.1381 BTC [-]
mod6: But still, people have this kneejerk reaction about PGP. But I'm always like "But PGP is your friend!!"
mjr_: there was a great xkcd about that...
mjr_: about how maybe strong encryption should have been classified as a weapon so it'd be protected by the second amendment lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067219 = 2.9045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9829 @ 0.00067229 = 6.6079 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00729495 = 1.0942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 271 @ 0.00729494 = 1.9769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 813 @ 0.00724493 = 5.8901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 205 @ 0.00724226 = 1.4847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 623 @ 0.00720781 = 4.4905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 707 @ 0.00720505 = 5.094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 231 @ 0.00718281 = 1.6592 BTC [-]
mjr_: cool stuff, was that a market order that took a few levels?
mjr_: ok maybe a silly question but i don't think it was in the faq (i'll double check) is there a way to see level II info for the stocks?
mjr_: is the json feed the only way?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00066316 = 0.4098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2894 @ 0.00066215 = 1.9163 BTC [-]
mjr_: i have not, i will take a look at it
mjr_: oh yeah i think i have been there but it never renders correctly
mjr_: i think there is some image which doesn't load and it blocks the actual symbols
mircea_popescu: if you make something a buncha people like/use there may be a market for you in it
mjr_: i really like the layout and design of clarkmoody
mjr_: just wish it had more exchanges and mpex data
mjr_: as far as i can see it just takes mt. gox
mjr_: and i have not seen any way to change those settings
jurov: mjr_, which browser?
mjr_: is that not supported?
jurov: live.coinbr uses vanilla google charts ... can't believe google can't make its own shit work right
jurov: mjr_: try sending screenshot, i'll look what else it can be
mjr_: could be me, i just did inspect element and it pops up
mjr_: but if i close the inspect element, it doesn't load
mjr_: it's the chart that is not loading so it could be a problem with my handling of svg i guess
mjr_: does not appear to be js related
mjr_: at least all the scripts seem to have loaded properly
mjr_: yeah i have a sreenshot if you wanna see
mjr_: weirdly enough i can't right click on the area where the chart would be
mjr_: i have to do it in the tiny sliver at the top in order to get to inspect element
mjr_: i can try other web browsers if that would help
jurov: if on the screnshot is anything beyond [Back to CoinBr] [S.DICE] [S.BBET] Show trades for last:
jurov: then i'm interested
mjr_: doesn't even show all of that, weirdly enough it works in IE so maybe issues on my end
mjr_: (surely issues on my end)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00067229 = 2.8236 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, i think i left there commented js code to read mpex rss feed... so if anyone wants an example
mjr_: thanks i will look into it
mjr_: one quick security question
mjr_: where do you hold the shares that you buy? are they in an account on mpex?
jurov: they have to be there, for online trading to be possible
mjr_: i am planning on more of a buy and hold approach
mjr_: but i have no issues with shares on mpex or coinbr
mjr_: i was planning on a paper wallet that i could continue to pour coins into, but would not be connected to anything
mjr_: and was wondering if there was something similar for the shares etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.007395 = 12.5715 BTC [+]
jurov: there is none known way to take shares out of mpex and nto safe if that's what you mean
mjr_: yeah no big deal, it is the most secure i've seen really
mjr_: so probably better to leave them there
mjr_: but for the coins, i was thinking paper wallet in safe deposit box
mjr_: with some for buying and such
mjr_: in a separate wallet
Bugpowder: I think the shares are probably safer in MPs machine than in mine :-P
jurov: well, there are tries to make p2p exchanges... but so far it looks they are not usable for anything near mpex volume/speed
mjr_: yeah, i realy like mpex
jurov: and i personally wait for someone to aptly and comprehensively blog about them
mircea_popescu: jurov i'd argue that making copies of the mpex_db is pretty safe.
jurov: "do you have the shares safely stored?" "yes, i have whole mpex database in cold storage"
mircea_popescu: something like that. better than paper wallet cause well... you can't read it
mjr_: really nice financials by the way
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you realize that the webserver - trade engine is what a lot of banks are migrating to right?
jurov: thestringpuller, the core of his argument isn't this
jurov: it's about users identifying themselves and using any channel, possibly insecure to communicate with exchange
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 11 @ 0.35 = 3.85 BTC [+]
jurov: as opposed to providing byzantine infrastructure to create pipe to safely communicate
mjr_: well yeah, i think that is the more robust system
mjr_: to expect that people will try to steal the messages
mjr_: instead of trusting in infrastructure
mjr_: i feel like usually the central planning type of things assumes perfect implementation
mjr_: and plans accordingly
mjr_: and are shocked when things fail
jurov: it's ego thing, everyone wants to build something big that will outlast him
thestringpuller: For that reason last year a London bank processor went offline for 2 hours and 90% of the population were unable to make any withdrawals or deposits...
jurov: creating liability for descendants in turn
mjr_: yeah, or the facebook ipo with nasdaq
mjr_: in general, big complex systems are going to have cracks while small distributed systems CAN be easy to implement once, and then multiplied in a scalable way
fancypants: how does S.DICE and/or S.BBET decide when to pay dividend? I can't seem to find it or determine any sort of a pattern from the history
jurov: on 1st they get roaring drunk then sleep and wake up , then start working on report
mjr_: that what it looked like
mjr_: it seems to be within two days after issuing monthly report
mjr_: by the way...the al gore interview on the daily show was pretty interesting and they talked about high frequency
jurov: looks like cool thing to do... maybe i'll get public
jurov: just did a rough select how much coinbr made in january. my head spinned a bit. sadly, no lacohol around.
mjr_: i take it that's good news?
thestringpuller: mircea should demand fees from you for working on his turf
mjr_: i believe that he does collect fees :)
mjr_: there are fees on all trades
mjr_: i think that's what the registration is for
jurov: i'm just trying to check the number till i release it in the wild
mircea_popescu: sorta like make sure i keep mpex small. bludgeon successful people, something like that ?
mjr_: i really love the mpex model as is
jurov: tada... bit over 38 BTC
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr should post in foerum "jurov's shares discarded as worthless!"
jurov: i'll enumerate all the mpex interface bugs in lengthy and entertaining post
mjr_: well, that is another thing i like about this economy and specifcally mpex...everyone is expected to be responsible for themselves
jurov: php/mysql error messages
mircea_popescu: i'll pay usagi to read Strategic Risk Management to you for a week straight.
jurov: oh and i forgot double credited deposits
jurov: that i kept, of course
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13095 @ 0.00066269 = 8.6779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19955 @ 0.00066284 = 13.227 BTC [+]
jurov: oh, and *if* i go IPO
jurov: i'll do it on bitfunder. just from spite
jurov: i can operate btct and cryptostocks passthroughs
Namworld: actually, MPEx>BTCT.co>Bitfunder
jurov: heard passthroughs are cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1132 @ 0.00066284 = 0.7503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4518 @ 0.00066466 = 3.0029 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld i didn't mean you. i meant him. list on there just out of spite
jurov: cause i can tyrannize ukto with special functionality requests
jurov: he had to add few things to bf for my assets to work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5482 @ 0.00066466 = 3.6437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00067028 = 2.6811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10963 @ 0.00067229 = 7.3703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00067294 = 4.7106 BTC [+]
gesell: nice, twitter got hacked due to ruby on rails
mircea_popescu: ukto is basically a masochist, he's just looking for more things to implement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067481 = 1.2821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0006749 = 10.5622 BTC [+]
gesell: 200k users compromised
mircea_popescu: when that guy from bitmillions ShaTwo was here, ukto was all "omg i was working on implementing that"
mircea_popescu: i think he's working on implementing a bitcoin-based c compiler too
ShaTwo: No, I am working in a Bitcoin Node in CoffeeScript
ShaTwo: Ruby and Rails is a very bad choise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00067553 = 4.2221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4504 @ 0.00067746 = 3.0513 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6696 @ 0.00067748 = 4.5364 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.50002, Best ask: 19.64594, Bid-ask spread: 0.14592, Last trade: 19.50000, 24 hour volume: 80815.43101719, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 20.60000, 24 hour vwap: 19.47478
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10924 @ 0.00067526 = 7.3765 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: movin on up, to a deluxe apartment in the sky, finally got a piece of the pie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1427 @ 0.00066215 = 0.9449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00066215 = 2.9797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13296 @ 0.00066214 = 8.8038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064676 / 0.00066678 / 0.00068038 (2261829 shares, 1,508.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00063335 / 0.00066174 / 0.0006921 (12850846 shares, 8,503.95 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065757 / 0.0007 (55193692 shares, 36,293.80 BTC)
jurov: smickles, teh script still not working?
jurov: no i take back, got it ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.008 = 3.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 233 @ 0.008 = 1.864 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.8 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 878 @ 0.00067153 = 0.5896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.007148 / 0.00737041 / 0.007395 (115802 shares, 853.51 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00732076 / 0.00749999 (596803 shares, 4,369.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00490917 / 0.0075 (6480913 shares, 31,815.93 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.75670000 / 0.78370988 / 0.88000000 (357 shares, 279.78442750 BTC), 7D: 0.56110000 / 0.74968829 / 0.89000000 (1487 shares, 1114.78649361 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.55886946 / 0.89000000 (6445 shares, 3601.91367845 BTC)
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.0075 / 0.0079 / 0.008 (2807 shares, 22.2 BTC), 7D: 0.0069 / 0.01 / 0.008 (19655 shares, 147.9 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.01 / 0.008 (45197 shares, 289.8 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1208 @ 0.00067748 = 0.8184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067834 = 2.9311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067557 = 2.9191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00067546 = 6.1325 BTC [-]
mjr_: i built a fun bot that tries to market make
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1580 @ 0.007395 = 11.6841 BTC [+]
mjr_: just mpex data so far
mjr_: spread is crazy on sdice
mjr_: nah just sdice right now, though i can plug in any symbol and it will check it for spreads greater than fees
mjr_: also mpoe...but only with .541 %
mjr_: can barely squeeze a profit there
mjr_: and this is only the scanning calculating part of it
mjr_: i need an order interface
mjr_: but can't find out how to do that on coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006738 = 2.9115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140 @ 0.00067379 = 0.0943 BTC [-]
mjr_: if i can build a somewhat abstract order interface, then i could put it on multiple exchanges...which would be nice
mjr_: havelock seems to have different prices on s.dice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 669 @ 0.00067745 = 0.4532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1126 @ 0.00067861 = 0.7641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068168 = 2.9455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00068169 = 4.9845 BTC [+]
mjr_: if anyone wants my code to play around with it, they are welcome to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00068152 = 2.0105 BTC [-]
mjr_: back now at .5% is that wrong?
mjr_: oh, error said wrong degree
mjr_: so i wasn't sure if i was calculating the spread correctly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067398 = 2.9123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12579 @ 0.00067379 = 8.4756 BTC [-]
mjr_: that's really weird
mjr_: anyway, i think i did it right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11058 @ 0.0006754 = 7.4686 BTC [+]
mjr_: what was your degree in?
mjr_: mine was business admin
mjr_: that is a great degree
mjr_: math is very philosophical now
error4733: you'r soo stupid at 18 years, why we have to choose a such important think like a futur at this stupid age
Namworld: I probably didn't win anyway =P
mjr_: it actually works out ok i think
mjr_: usually you never do what you went to school for
mjr_: ooh sdice finally dropping
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00718504 = 6.8258 BTC [-]
mjr_: lol did i beat assbot?
Namworld: I used the dice with the best long term return odds
error4733: just buy some share but never play
mjr_: hey namworld, how do you place orders through coinbr?
mjr_: do they have an api? i signed up but i can't find anything
mjr_: i've been waiting for him...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21849 @ 0.0006754 = 14.7568 BTC [+]
error4733: Q. How do I do short trades with CoinBr?
error4733: MPEx offers support for short trading/market making futures and options, using MKFUT/MKOPT/SPLIT commands. There is no GUI on CoinBr for them yet, but we'll do it for you when asked over e-mail or IRC. Only MPEx fee, if any, will be asked atm.
error4733: « Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 01:34:42 PM by CoinBr »
mjr_: yeah, i wasn't planning on those orders
mjr_: just simple buy orders
mjr_: that's whats weird...i don't see any gui for orders, but maybe they dynamically turn that on once funds arrive?
mjr_: have a good one namworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9432 @ 0.0006754 = 6.3704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 868 @ 0.00067379 = 0.5848 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.90002, Best ask: 19.98898, Bid-ask spread: 0.08896, Last trade: 19.90001, 24 hour volume: 41906.77847932, 24 hour low: 18.70000, 24 hour high: 20.20000, 24 hour vwap: 19.69482
mjr_: believe me i plan on it
mjr_: as soon as i can i will be registering
mjr_: but until then i figured i would just go through jurov
mjr_: well i mean, i wouldn't mind if he just passed through
mircea_popescu: i think coinbr is more intended to help the people who want to trade on a website/don't want to handle computer guts
mjr_: after all, he is just sending it with a slight markup on fee, and he really only needs to keep track of that on his end
mjr_: i agree and i don't mind dealing with gpg and any other computer related thing
mjr_: but i can't afford registration yet
mjr_: so once i can, i will be on there
Bowjov: by then mp might jack the price to 35 btc :2
mjr_: it'll still be worth it for a long time i think
Bowjov: is there a way to sell mpex account?
mjr_: you'd have to give up gpg ident
mjr_: and that is if it's allowed
error4733: Is there some way I could be an affiliate ?
error4733: Sure. If you already have an account and someone mentions your keyid when they sign up for a new account each of you will be credited 5 BTC. Simple as pie.
mjr_: so that is approx...$500
Bowjov: i dont wanna deal with that stuff.. that guy who fat fingered about 70k USD on dice
mjr_: another 10 btc to fund the account (that is the minimum right?)
mjr_: so $700 to get started...
Bowjov: well a bit more than 10btc since you need some numbers
mircea_popescu: if you make a 30 btc deposit that's clearly over the 10 btc limit
mjr_: oh, i thought that was a fee
mircea_popescu: then if you are referred tyou get 5 back so you have a little to trade on
mjr_: well i think i may be able to do it
mjr_: tough on the 1st of the month, but i figure it will be worth it
mjr_: amazing the spread on these puts
mircea_popescu: ya, the spread on the options has been a point of discussion since about october 2011
error4733: finish him, run some simulation and time will see !
mjr_: yeah...i'll just go a satoshi inside of both sides
mjr_: that is what i don't get
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00067737 = 1.7273 BTC [+]
mjr_: someone would usually do that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006821 = 2.9474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00068169 = 1.3497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 749 @ 0.00068211 = 0.5109 BTC [+]
mjr_: and then someone else would jump in front of him
mjr_: mpoe just jumped back on my radar :)
gribble: There are currently 7.9857751 bitcoins offered at or under 19.9999 USD, worth 159.627578416 USD in total.
mjr_: so question, do you send back an ack type message?
mjr_: after successful order
mjr_: or do you have to stat
mircea_popescu: to see execution you have to either watch reporting or stat
mjr_: reporting being the json right?
mjr_: but you have to send statjson command signed by pgp
error4733: late today i'll ask my friend to look on your code ! he coul'd be interested
mjr_: i think it could be nice
mjr_: my code, and yeah, i figured it was like a summary
mircea_popescu: reporting is global, but if you know you just ordered 5k of s.blabla and 4k trade at your price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1464 @ 0.00068207 = 0.9986 BTC [-]
mjr_: the cool thing about the code, is that it takes into account volume somewhat
mjr_: and its still pretty rough
mjr_: but you can't jump in front unless you put small volume
mjr_: in which case i want to be behind at the next price level
mircea_popescu: "This is a difficult concept for new or inexperienced investors to grasp"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0006742 = 1.9552 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00067404 = 1.4829 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is tho... i don't think .8 sort of insanity is TOTALLY off the table on a 1-2 year span
mircea_popescu: then again, 0.0 isn't totally off the table on those sorts of intervals either.
mircea_popescu: i can sort-of see some large player going 50-100mn for satoshidice
mircea_popescu: if that happens when btc is in the teens it may well be something like 0.x oper share
error4733: ok, me too. be we're still far away from 0.8
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00703438 / 0.00732547 / 0.007395 (84338 shares, 617.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00731809 / 0.00749999 (638455 shares, 4,672.28 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00496255 / 0.0075 (6355965 shares, 31,541.85 BTC)
mjr_: basically the entire economy right now
mjr_: wasn't that number in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8743 @ 0.00068211 = 5.9637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00068207 = 1.9487 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.0074 = 0.0518 BTC [-]
mjr_: yes and insta for one billion
mircea_popescu: error4733 tbh .0075 or w/e seems the most realistic atm :)
mjr_: i don't know about growth
mjr_: but finding a yield like that is tough
mjr_: i think .01 by the end of the year
Namworld: I'd say so too. 0.0075 seems nice at the moment
mjr_: which is great growth, and great return
Namworld: There's always the risk of betting on SD going down
Namworld: It remains that S.DICE has risk like anything else. 0.0075 is good to me.
mjr_: the risk of betting on it and it going down, or the risk of betting on it going down
mjr_: it depends on your outlook
mjr_: and i for one am guessing that you guys are into bitcoins
mjr_: in which case, unless the shares go to 0...you still have appreciation
Namworld: If shares drop, that might still be less than if we kept Bitcoins alone.
mjr_: you will get btc from dividends
mjr_: so it would be hard for you to have less btc than when you started, not impossible
mjr_: i am gonna mix it up a bit
mjr_: some bonds from namworld, some mpoe and some s.dice
error4733: read the FAQ before buying MPOE haha
mjr_: i wil make sure to send it to the right addresss
mjr_: the signifigant digits
Namworld: I have a founder and CEO of a company in the financial sector as the top holder of my BTC-BOND
mjr_: 10% is unheard of for a bond
mjr_: one that you will actually get the money back
mjr_: .5% is like bond rates now
Namworld: Odd because BTC-BOND is a small thing lost in the middle of tons of larger offers.
Namworld: and Bitcoins to top it. I wasn't expecting someone from the financial sector to find his way to my little thing.
Namworld: I would have expected for S.DICE and such, someone putting a few 10k for fun.
Namworld: BTCT.co sends a list of holders every 12 hours
Namworld: I thought at first someone filled an email that was not his
mircea_popescu: Namworld maybe they just want to watch you at work, learn about btc etc.
Namworld: My contract state it's a personal loan, that can be spent on whatever I see fit.
Namworld: I disbursed an extra coupon when I did good option trades. The guy didn't seem to know I was trading actively.
Namworld: Other than I kept stocks collateral on GLBSE for the loan.
Bowjov: 3 million bitcoins won already ho lee schitt!
mjr_: do you have a limited number of bonds?
mjr_: or would you just increase your holdings to accept more
Namworld: I'm not sure I want to manage more funds...
mircea_popescu: having a cap is a great saferty play, and one the various wannabe managers in the past eschewed to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: if they did have caps for all their pirate stuff they wouldn't be quite as in the pits today
Namworld: If they had a cap higher than 0 for pirate stuff I don't quite see why they'd deserve holding even a bitcent...
mircea_popescu: Namworld if they did, I personally insure this thing, but it never takes more than 100 btc
mircea_popescu: THEN they could have just paid out of pocket and closed cleanly.
Namworld: Although I could always manage funds on another basis than a loan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2121 @ 0.00067404 = 1.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10054 @ 0.00067379 = 6.7743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067186 = 7.3233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00067001 = 6.7001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49 @ 0.00067 = 0.0328 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's so little know with certainty in btc, any added certainty is a net gain
Namworld: In any case... where are all the DMC holders?
mircea_popescu: i think actually a good way to regard manager's position is to look at added value
Namworld: Why can't all asset holders hang in here?
mjr_: and there goes all the spreads
Namworld: But at the size of what I do, it should be considered hobbyist work. I'm working with small sums
mjr_: mircea_popescu: quick question about options
mjr_: do you consider positions hedged?
mjr_: for example if i had the put and the call
mjr_: how would you calculate total exposure
mjr_: or...what do you call it again? collateral needed to hold that position
mjr_: it should be risk neutral...and all i should be able to lose is the premium i pay
Namworld: Capital required to CREATE options
mjr_: i am not creating them
Namworld: Then why should there be any collateral?
mjr_: so you don't need capital to buy
mjr_: not sure, i thought it was weird
mjr_: but i always heard people talking about collateral with their options
mjr_: i just want to buy put and call
mjr_: but the same theory holds...
Namworld: The creator puts collateral and sell the option at less than its redeem value in the hope of a profit.
mjr_: if i sell the put and i sell the call
mjr_: i should be in a risk neutral position
Namworld: The buyer pays that premium, and stand to eat that collateral or get nothing
Namworld: The collateral is usually much larger than the sale price
mjr_: short straddle is what it is called...
Namworld: If you sold puts and calls, you could still lose
mjr_: you could lose, but limited
Namworld: If price swayed a lot in one direction
mjr_: yes, that is the point of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00068194 = 3.4097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068195 = 2.9467 BTC [+]
Namworld: Use my Google Spreadsheets stuff. Just handy.
mjr_: i like long straddle
mjr_: i have been trying to do some simulations and modeling of weighting the strike prices differently to find the best mid of risk, cost, and profit
mjr_: like say i had call put at 20, call at 21, put at 19
mjr_: how much should i weight the inner straddle vs the outer strangle
mjr_: because the straddle will cost the most
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00067593 = 2.2644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006702 = 2.8959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067007 = 2.8954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258 @ 0.00067 = 0.1729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068181 = 2.9461 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1621 @ 0.00068211 = 1.1057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1847 @ 0.00068211 = 1.2599 BTC [+]
mjr_: ok i am gonna get some sleep
mjr_: good night everyone
Namworld: Hmm, I shall do the same I suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5528 @ 0.00067985 = 3.7582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00738112 = 13.286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067202 = 2.9038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4122 @ 0.00067985 = 2.8023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 757 @ 0.00067195 = 0.5087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006722 = 2.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00067195 = 7.9485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1814 @ 0.00067195 = 1.2189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00067002 = 0.6365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00067002 = 2.522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00067001 = 3.3501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27881 @ 0.00067 = 18.6803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1206 @ 0.00068202 = 0.8225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00067 = 42.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00067 = 3.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3115 @ 0.00068202 = 2.1245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0006821 = 6.821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13653 @ 0.00068211 = 9.3128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4530 @ 0.0006833 = 3.0953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067444 = 2.9143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12174 @ 0.00067412 = 8.2067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00067999 = 4.5559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4226 @ 0.00067412 = 2.8488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5541 @ 0.00067 = 3.7125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2 @ 0.00066855 = 0.0013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.0079 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9998 @ 0.00066855 = 6.6842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2852 @ 0.00066854 = 1.9067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00066854 = 2.0056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 234 @ 0.00738112 = 1.7272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9466 @ 0.007186 = 68.0227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00718504 = 2.1555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00066854 = 5.8832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.007395 = 0.074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9990 @ 0.007395 = 73.8761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2724 @ 0.0006832 = 1.861 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1837 @ 0.00066854 = 1.2281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1863 @ 0.00066733 = 1.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066734 = 6.6734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5006 @ 0.00066958 = 3.3519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1597 @ 0.0006832 = 1.0911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12154 @ 0.0006833 = 8.3048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006831 = 2.9517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1112 @ 0.0006833 = 0.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1725 @ 0.00068331 = 1.1787 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.81 = 4.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.81 = 4.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.8 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00068039 = 1.803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1656 @ 0.00068331 = 1.1316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00068039 = 1.1369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4029 @ 0.00068023 = 2.7406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068308 = 2.9516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29246 @ 0.00068331 = 19.9841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2933 @ 0.00068334 = 2.0042 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068043 = 2.9401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4979 @ 0.00068023 = 3.3869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068317 = 2.952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7347 @ 0.00068334 = 5.0205 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293 @ 0.00068334 = 0.2002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7408 @ 0.00068335 = 5.0623 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 526 @ 0.0076 = 3.9976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5641 @ 0.00068023 = 3.8372 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0076 = 0.0228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066734 = 2.8836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13137 @ 0.00066733 = 8.7667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 842 @ 0.00066732 = 0.5619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067424 = 2.9134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10365 @ 0.00067425 = 6.9886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066738 = 2.8837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066738 = 2.8837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066733 = 6.6733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5558 @ 0.00066732 = 3.709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4194 @ 0.00067425 = 2.8278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068294 = 2.951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4885 @ 0.00068295 = 3.3362 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.79811111 = 7.9811 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.8 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.82 = 2.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066733 = 2.8835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00066733 = 6.6733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7720 @ 0.00066732 = 5.1517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066733 = 2.8835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1829 @ 0.00066732 = 1.2205 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1662 @ 0.0076 = 12.6312 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1562 @ 0.0076 = 11.8712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5205 @ 0.0006823 = 3.5514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068283 = 2.9505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6624 @ 0.00068295 = 4.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00703438 / 0.0073198 / 0.007395 (103771 shares, 759.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00731703 / 0.00749999 (650155 shares, 4,757.20 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.004984 / 0.0075 (6312291 shares, 31,460.47 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.8 = 1.6 BTC [-]
Bowjov: Damn. My Ipod went thru the washer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006819 = 2.9465 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00068202 = 7.5704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.00068295 = 2.8848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1755 @ 0.00068309 = 1.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1450 @ 0.00730924 = 10.5984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00068003 = 5.3722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2047 @ 0.00068299 = 1.3981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 999 @ 0.00739499 = 7.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2527 @ 0.00067071 = 1.6949 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0244 = 0.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0244 = 0.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 125 @ 0.0245 = 3.0625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2274 @ 0.00068299 = 1.5531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9126 @ 0.00068309 = 6.2339 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.0076 = 1.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10963 @ 0.00068309 = 7.4887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00068156 = 2.4195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 573 @ 0.00067527 = 0.3869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00066756 = 1.8872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1494 @ 0.00066756 = 0.9973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4086 @ 0.00066732 = 2.7267 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.0076 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067566 = 2.9195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6619 @ 0.00067597 = 4.4742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3060 @ 0.00068053 = 2.0824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2826 @ 0.00068053 = 1.9232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7274 @ 0.00068129 = 4.9557 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 743 @ 0.00739499 = 5.4945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006753 = 2.918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068101 = 2.9426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5193 @ 0.00068129 = 3.5379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00067543 = 4.5929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.0006752 = 0.3376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3821 @ 0.0006752 = 2.5799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29979 @ 0.00067499 = 20.2355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067514 = 2.9173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9879 @ 0.00067499 = 6.6682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068108 = 2.9429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00068129 = 4.9932 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068103 = 2.9427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00068129 = 6.1854 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19.95222, Best ask: 19.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04777, Last trade: 19.99999, 24 hour volume: 27460.22150849, 24 hour low: 19.31000, 24 hour high: 20.20000, 24 hour vwap: 19.88694
Anduck: thestringpuller: u cant know
mjr_: i built a cool little thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3393 @ 0.00068129 = 2.3116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256 @ 0.00068309 = 0.1749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4844 @ 0.00068335 = 3.3101 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.10331, Best ask: 20.23999, Bid-ask spread: 0.13668, Last trade: 20.24000, 24 hour volume: 29151.83119077, 24 hour low: 19.31000, 24 hour high: 20.40000, 24 hour vwap: 19.91192
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1007 @ 0.00739499 = 7.4468 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: mjr_ oh nevermind that script doesn't actually place trades, just provides info.
Bugpowder: I'm taking a break from bot dev for a few weeks. I had good news in the job hunt process and need to devote 99% of my attention there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068147 = 2.9446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16079 @ 0.00068131 = 10.9548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1526 @ 0.00739499 = 11.2848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.794 = 7.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.7945 = 3.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.7945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068327 = 2.9524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00068334 = 3.4167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7499 @ 0.00068335 = 5.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.795 = 3.18 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.50000, Best ask: 20.52884, Bid-ask spread: 0.02884, Last trade: 20.55000, 24 hour volume: 31309.07006435, 24 hour low: 19.31000, 24 hour high: 20.60000, 24 hour vwap: 19.96266
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 740 @ 0.00068131 = 0.5042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00067621 = 2.8739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000675 = 2.9167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9840 @ 0.00067499 = 6.6419 BTC [-]
mjr_: bugpowder: i need to set up an interface
mjr_: i think it would be relatively easy to give it that logic and use pympex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3155 @ 0.00067523 = 2.1304 BTC [+]
mjr_: then just keep track of your orders using statjson i guess
mjr_: but since i don't have mpex yet i can't test it out
mjr_: but you are welcome to, or anyone else
mjr_: it works best late at night (not sure about timezone stuff)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.60438, Best ask: 20.60533, Bid-ask spread: 0.00095, Last trade: 20.60438, 24 hour volume: 32384.31332794, 24 hour low: 19.31000, 24 hour high: 20.60438, 24 hour vwap: 19.98742
mircea_popescu: you know... if bitcoin was a girl 20'd be a very good place to be.
thestringpuller: I had like 4 people from school come ask me about bitcoin yesterday...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: my ip changed so your paywall is neglecting me
smickles: thestringpuller: you're about the same age as me, right?
smickles: hmm, how did you not get laid as much as you wanted to?
smickles: heh, now that I think of it, that was a fairly good pickup line. "do you want to have sex over there?"
thestringpuller: I need to go to the country towns and pick up hot farm girls.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9691 @ 0.00068146 = 6.604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 944 @ 0.00067523 = 0.6374 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles being recently out of a shower is all the pick-up line you need
smickles: i dunno. I often waited untill a girl complimented my hair, and that most often came after not showering for a day or so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2049 @ 0.00068335 = 1.4002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068368 = 2.9542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 930 @ 0.00068369 = 0.6358 BTC [+]
jcpham: mircea_popescu are you saying that basically being clean is sexually arousing?
mircea_popescu: in many cases just not being filthy is sufficient competitive advantage.
jcpham: except for when i stayed in the dorms in college
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.79252525 = 3.9626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7732 @ 0.00068369 = 5.2863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8518 @ 0.00068398 = 5.8261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222 @ 0.00067523 = 0.1499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.35 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00067504 = 1.1476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000675 = 2.9167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2457 @ 0.00067499 = 1.6585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1482 @ 0.00068398 = 1.0137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068432 = 2.9569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00068433 = 4.3455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3147 @ 0.00068507 = 2.1559 BTC [+]
jcpham: i like how the citations have links to nude girls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00068502 = 1.1645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068503 = 2.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4595 @ 0.00068507 = 3.1479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2708 @ 0.00068507 = 1.8552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10210 @ 0.00068507 = 6.9946 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.88 BTC [+]
FabianB_: "It is perhaps worth nothing that various observers.." <-- i think there's a t too much in "nothing"
Namworld: I was about to point out the h
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 13.88 = 27.76 BTC [+]
Namworld: the website might go? How would we know the order book?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1360 @ 0.0074 = 10.064 BTC [-]
Namworld: Eh, why not keep MPEx indefinitly
mircea_popescu: sooner or later data feeds would be leased, some sort of equivalent of bloomberg will spring up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15263 @ 0.00067546 = 10.3095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00735414 = 2.2062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1524 @ 0.00735413 = 11.2077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6564 @ 0.00067546 = 4.4337 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9790 @ 0.00068507 = 6.7068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5133 @ 0.0006852 = 3.5171 BTC [+]
Ukto_: yeah, thats messed
Ukto_: wold be pissed to pay s/h for that
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 120 @ 0.0245 = 2.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 743 @ 0.00735413 = 5.4641 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.0245 = 0.735 BTC [+]
jurov: mjr_ lol there is a front runner on mpoe for long time...it doesn't even try to conceal itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 830 @ 0.00739499 = 6.1378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 33 @ 0.00735413 = 0.2427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 267 @ 0.00733496 = 1.9584 BTC [-]
jurov: mjr_ and coinbr api isn't planned in near future, sorry. i just concluded whole thing isn't ready
Ukto_: "Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later."
Ukto_: cant access bitcointalk smickles :)
smickles: Ukto_: it's usagi saying that he did a fundamental anal. of s.dice, and it's worth .5 btc per share
Ukto_: and your opinion of that is ? :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 11 @ 0.0246 = 0.2706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 383 @ 0.00733496 = 2.8093 BTC [-]
smickles: that guy has a proven record of valuing bitcoind denomenated assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 470 @ 0.00728282 = 3.4229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 835 @ 0.0072416 = 6.0467 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 17 @ 0.0247 = 0.4199 BTC [+]
Ukto_: mircea_popescu: would be interested in your opinion when/if the forums come back
Ukto_: as for sites that work. apparently someone agrees with usagi
Ukto_: look at todays trades
Ukto_: alot of traes for today
Ukto_: the div day was one thing
Ukto_: but this is about 2x avg already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067506 = 2.9169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1748 @ 0.000675 = 1.1799 BTC [-]
Ukto_: api will be opening up more soon
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.011 = 1.1 BTC [+]
smickles: that chart ain't half bad Ukto_
Ukto_: besides, I would hate to flood the channel with BF's massive trades (eyes roll) :P
Bugpowder: I will sell for 1/2 of usagi's valuation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 13.89 BTC [+]
Ukto_: thanks, I was debating adding some more details to it one the other 'things' are done I todl you about
Ukto_: the first one is more than halfway now. might get it released tomorrow if I am lucky hehe
mircea_popescu: After his April 2000 release, Bell publicly announced that he believed that there was extensive Federal Government corruption associated with his 1997–2000 criminal case, and that he was going to research the facts and file a lawsuit. Bell filed this lawsuit in 2003.[5] Bell was put under heavy surveillance and rearrested for harassment and stalking of federal agents. He was charged with intimidation and stalking and
mircea_popescu: was convicted and again imprisoned, this time for a decade-long sentence. Bell protested vociferously against the conduct of the trial, going so far as to file civil lawsuits against two judges, at least two prosecutors, his former probation officers, and his defense attorneys, but ultimately to no avail.
DeaDTerra1: there has been a lot of downtime recently ...
smickles: mircea_popescu: a lesson in freedom?
smickles: Ukto_: does news show up in the chart in a similar way the dividend does?
Ukto_: smickles: thats one of the things I am looking to add
Ukto_: wont be hard at all
Ukto_: Going to be adding user preferences
Ukto_: to hide/show news, as well as divs
Ukto_: and to set default views
Ukto_: as well as localized time dispays
smickles: EskimoBob_afk: i'm having a tough time 'catcing your drift'. could you rephrase that or elaborate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 13.9 = 41.7 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra1: Someone bought another 10k of S.DICE pass through shares on BF :D
Ukto_: smickles: sounds like a virus.
Ukto_: DeaDTerra1: was just talking about that
Ukto_: DeaDTerra1: its cool that I can use BF's webirc via my phone LOL
Ukto_: thats how lame I am. bored at parents waiting on them
jurov: DeaDTerra1, you still doing arb manually?
Ukto_: spekaing of that terra
smickles: out of context, terra sounds like a euphemism for ass
Ukto_: no one ever calls me terra
Namworld: yeah, you forgot to upkeep your passthrough
Ukto_: think he only charges for divs
Namworld: He also charges a margin for shares he sells
Namworld: I'm seriously thinking I should just compete.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20252 @ 0.000675 = 13.6701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6377 @ 0.00067499 = 4.3044 BTC [-]
Namworld: Why aren't people using coinbr?
jurov: i heard they can't afford 0.09 BTC/month
Ukto_: still, plenty of ppl like it.
Ukto_: I was debating using it to buy some bbet hehe
smickles: lol, blockchain.info just gave me an error
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 49 @ 0.00739 = 0.3621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00738104 = 7.381 BTC [-]
jurov: yeah they'are amusing.. i got windows xp booting gif the other day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5871 @ 0.00067499 = 3.9629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006726 = 2.9063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13025 @ 0.00067259 = 8.7605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2231 @ 0.00067232 = 1.4999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006817 = 2.9456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5379 @ 0.00068187 = 3.6678 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.66002, Best ask: 20.73900, Bid-ask spread: 0.07898, Last trade: 20.73900, 24 hour volume: 31522.03367265, 24 hour low: 19.42000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 20.10086
gribble: Error: "-22/(.11962553-1)" is not a valid command.
dub: is it suberb owl sunday?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067348 = 2.9101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00067347 = 0.3899 BTC [-]
mjr_: is jurov still here?
mjr_: 1.22% spread...what is the bot doing?
mjr_: or is the bot there
jurov: why would i, or the bot, want tight spread?
mjr_: i would obviously need to have it use pympex
mjr_: but there is still profit there...and i set it so that if you put a lot of volume, i go a satoshi cheaper...if it is thin in front, i wait behind for extra satoshi
mjr_: and yesterday, when i was watching
jurov: mjr_ what you would do with big price movements?
mjr_: it wasn't close to the next higher or lower price
jurov: they are quite common and usually cause simple frontrunners to get stuck on wrong end
mjr_: the stock is not too much...and although over its life it has moved a lot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068184 = 2.9462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00068187 = 4.9974 BTC [+]
mjr_: it doesn't seem like it is moving a ton, but of course, if i get filled on one end, i cancel orders and reassess
mjr_: again, until i actually register on mpex its all academic
mjr_: also the ultimate goal is not so much to scalp and front run, but rather build up as long a position as i can for the least money
jurov: you will reassssess and find out that bid is is higher than last sell price.. what now?
mjr_: so i would weight it's priority to buy and sell accordingly
mjr_: as long as you are getting more than .4% (buy and sell) you are making money...
mjr_: although currently i am running it with .5% to ttest
mjr_: on each side (to mirror coinbr)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.48947, Best ask: 20.49800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00853, Last trade: 20.49800, 24 hour volume: 32327.68690484, 24 hour low: 19.42000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 20.12431
mjr_: was sad to find out no api
jurov: and as for the api, i'd really like it... but having the orders count suddenly increase 10x is just too big risk
mjr_: couldn't you set a limit on order number through api?
mjr_: i think the main way to do this would be with the options...the spreads are regularly 33%-50%
jurov: that wouldn't exactly be the problem. suppose it blows up when i'm not around
mjr_: yeah that is my worry too
mjr_: i am gonna give my little guy only a little money to play with
jurov: human will usually notice that the order got stuck.. bot no
mjr_: that is the one part that i will have to test very rigorously
mjr_: maintaining positions
mjr_: since i am responsible to ask constantly
jurov: i tested my bot several months... and still occassionally does snafu
mjr_: it happens to billion dollar companies (knight capital)
mjr_: but, as long as they are not killer mistakes (don't let the machine manage more than you can risk), you can fix it and make it stronger
mjr_: knight almost went under on one bad day...
mircea_popescu: im curiouswhat results smickles comes up for his optiosn bot
mjr_: the volume is the part i haven't really figured out how to adjust for
mjr_: but overall, if i can say that in any given situation i am getting the best possible price, that is ok
jurov: mjr_i did options, too. but you can wait like weeks till there's som movement
jurov: maybe it got better since, but still they don't appear often in the ticker
mjr_: yeah, but i mean, i can say get 5 $20 calls...at 1 satoshi over current, and then if i ever get filled, just replace that order and then open up sell at 1 satoshi beneath
Bugpowder: nothing happening in options this month
mjr_: i dn't care about 5 contracts so mucnh
jurov: but if they do everyone watches alertly :D
mjr_: its just that over the rest of the year, everyone sending market order will give me a tiny bit of money
Bugpowder: smickles trading a few here and there
Bugpowder: and my bot selling 1000s contracts to itself
mjr_: (if the bot is designed well)
Bugpowder: the bot is no longer on automatic mode :-P
mjr_: i think i am going to keep track of individual fill prices, so i can know if i should sell or not
mjr_: ie. sell THOSE shares that i got cheap, but no more
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.48948, Best ask: 20.49800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00852, Last trade: 20.49800, 24 hour volume: 32329.47027016, 24 hour low: 19.42000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 20.12737
Bugpowder: Someone also bought some expensive puts
Bugpowder: it will heat up in a week or two though
mjr_: yeah, its funny cuz everyone waits till the end
jurov: mjr_really, how much do you willing to pay for ability to just doing it by simple select?
jurov: go to coinbr.com/about, last paragraph
Bugpowder: changees fee structure to take 40%
Bugpowder: Glad nobody is big enough to buy Vanguard.
mjr_: look at last sentence...
mjr_: they are made because they are looting returns...best performer in their portfolio
mjr_: do you mean select SQL command?
mircea_popescu: The Laborers' Local 265 Pension Fund of Cincinnati and the Plumbers and Pipefitters Local No. 572 Pension Fund of Nashville
mjr_: would be nice i suppose, but parsing sql and parsing json is about the same effort
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 14.7 BTC [+]
mjr_: i would mostly just like an ack on order being received, and then an execution be sent if i got filled
mjr_: that would be awesome
mjr_: so i could build that engine to monitor my account and then update my positions and orders table
mjr_: i think he was referring to licensing code to me
jurov: no. that paragraph says "licensing the code"
mjr_: or having me contribute in some way
mjr_: which i think would be awesome
mjr_: i mean, i mostly wrote the spread finder cuz it was fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.79353535 = 2.3806 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4879 @ 0.00067347 = 3.2859 BTC [-]
mjr_: python is easy and it is a nice way to try a PoC
mjr_: not sure about execution time etc, but i don't think i need to whip out the c++ yet, do I?
jurov: PoC - proof of concept?
mjr_: i wanted to see if the crazy spreads i saw last night were real
mjr_: and if i could monitor them in real time
jurov: c++ is not necessary
mjr_: after that point, it would only be creating a position monitor, and then linking to a driver for pympex (or something at coinbr)
mjr_: i would have to write the position monitor, and i would have to write a driver so my orders could be translated to mpex orders
jurov: have you seen mpexagent?
mjr_: but i will look at it :)
jurov: it's jsonrpc "driver" for mpex
mjr_: i mean, IDEALLY you could then use a lot of those pieces to build either a web based trading platform or an actual desktop application
mjr_: which i think would be a huge value to the trading community
mjr_: ie. integrated charts, depth of book, ticker, positions, executions, real time p&l
jurov: i was thinking about adding fileserving fo mpexagent
mjr_: i am gonna look at the code now
mjr_: i used django with python in my last web based project
mjr_: but i like twisted a lot
mjr_: my app wasn't performance oriented but rather i wanted the easy UI admin from django
jurov: well. so after it will be able to serve files, one just throw there some javascript that can do jsonrpc calls
mircea_popescu: for the record, i think that guy must be posting out of about half the btctalk accounts
mjr_: yeah i figured it'd be easiest to use web so i wouldn't have to actually create charts in a desktop app
mjr_: which would not be fun i think
mjr_: i wanted to play with angular.js
mjr_: which i think would be PERFECT for a web based trading platform
mjr_: in fact, if you made that interface, you could actually use selenium for your trading bot, which would be pretty cool
mjr_: edit: i mean a browser based trading platform
jurov: nice! so far it looked like everyone is too lazy and i'll have to add it to the agent myself
mjr_: did you look at angular?
mjr_: and if you want any help on it, i'm down
mjr_: also is your bot running right now?
mjr_: if so, why would it not just go 1 satoshi in front or behind
jurov: and i didn't looked on angular
mjr_: and i was referring to mpoe
jurov: it was originally intended for random stress testing
mjr_: just curious how you came up with bid/ask prices is all
jurov: and i kept it so, i think it discourages others from jumping in front of it
mjr_: i think i just said "if volume less than 5000, go 1 satoshi behind, else go 1 satoshi in front
jurov: you're close. actually it goes deeper ;)
mjr_: so that way if you have a small order, i am reasonably sure i'd get filled after you for one satoshi more
mjr_: but i would find it very interesting to see them interact
Bugpowder: What next? "Hopefully some SURFIN.
mjr_: i put my code up earlier if anyone wanted to look
mjr_: its like 15 lines or something
mjr_: but you may need to install some libraries for it to work
mjr_: actually, i think that mirceau_popescu's idea behind his trading platform could be huge
mjr_: it could greatly simplify user interface, make a more robust system that is more secure, and easier to maintain, less vulnerable to single point of failure problems
jurov: seems he enjoys bein calles mirceaU
mjr_: but i do try my best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067371 = 2.9111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2879 @ 0.00067347 = 1.9389 BTC [-]
mjr_: lol the spread is actually increasing on mpoe
mjr_: it is so much fun to watch this
jurov: i think both mircea and coinbr's fees in fact affect order size distribution
jurov: so unlike irl exchanges, small orders are rare
mjr_: but i account for fees
mjr_: and i don't think the fees are very high
mjr_: .2% or .5% is very small
mjr_: and its a fixed cost
mjr_: so with 1.24% on mpoe... i can make .84% every trade by basically just filling market orders
mjr_: .24% if i am going through coinbr
mjr_: and as i said, since my goal is to acquire a long position over time at the lowest possible price...
mjr_: it is not very risky (i want to get in the position)
mjr_: the options can be a bit trickier cuz they seem to be pretty thinly traded
mjr_: but if you buy the puts and the calls...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 3 @ 0.10526446 = 0.3158 BTC [-]
mjr_: you are pretty well hedged
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 2 @ 0.12907935 = 0.2582 BTC [-]
mjr_: ooh, i just thought about designing a risk monitor
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 3 @ 0.12665781 = 0.38 BTC [-]
mjr_: (really should have one for any kind of automated system)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C210T] 1 @ 0.10492991 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P210T] 1 @ 0.15161796 BTC
mjr_: jurov: why would a fixed percentage fee affect size of orders? you gain nothing by increasing your volume
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4538 @ 0.00068187 = 3.0943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068238 = 2.9486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00068239 = 7.711 BTC [+]
jurov: no, the 30BTC /0.09monthly does it i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00068518 = 6.8518 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1538 @ 0.0006852 = 1.0538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00068521 = 11.615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7578 @ 0.00068535 = 5.1936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00068562 = 5.9306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00068615 = 7.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0006867 = 5.2189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00068689 = 13.3944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13620 @ 0.00068695 = 9.3563 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13424 @ 0.00068711 = 9.2238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00068749 = 40.6994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00068849 = 12.3928 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00068941 = 9.4449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00068953 = 3.0339 BTC [+]
mjr_: spread jumped a ton
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16994 @ 0.00068955 = 11.7182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00068968 = 3.3305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29320 @ 0.00069 = 20.2308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00069027 = 9.3083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00069193 = 1.6606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00069255 = 9.2109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00069336 = 1.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00069339 = 12.9664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14961 @ 0.0006935 = 10.3755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00069366 = 9.1563 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0006937 = 4.5784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069419 = 4.8593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00069428 = 12.9136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00069526 = 4.4149 BTC [+]
mjr_: oh but yeah that is fixed, if you are going to be a trader, and i paid a one time/ or monthly fee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00069574 = 4.4875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 491 @ 0.00069577 = 0.3416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 151 @ 0.00725041 = 1.0948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4895 @ 0.00739499 = 36.1985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 114954 @ 0.007395 = 850.0848 BTC [+]
mjr_: i would make as many trades as possible to maximize my investment
mjr_: how'd the bot do jurov?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00067544 = 3.9176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006955 = 3.0053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069569 = 3.0061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16526 @ 0.00069577 = 11.4983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7625 @ 0.00069638 = 5.3099 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00069643 = 2.4027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00069732 = 13.8069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5246 @ 0.00069745 = 3.6588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00069748 = 3.5571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00069876 = 4.0877 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00069927 = 10.0345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15416 @ 0.00069939 = 10.7818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00069978 = 13.4708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00069998 = 20.9994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00069999 = 6.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00069999 = 20.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2945 @ 0.00069999 = 2.0615 BTC [+]
mjr_: :) so much fun to watch
jurov: it's official. i'm short s.mpoe now
mjr_: how do you do that?
mjr_: is that through coinbr?
jurov: no i borrowed from smickles
jurov: it's completely outside coinbr
jurov: just my little private shenaigans
mjr_: yeah it is interesting
mjr_: its interesting to look at the differences...usually smickles could just say he will lend you the shares without actually transferring them
mjr_: and you could short...
mjr_: but i can see why that may not work
mjr_: but also with options...having to put up collateral before you exercise
jurov: he did transfer them. an i did sold them
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00703438 / 0.00735783 / 0.007395 (214461 shares, 1,577.97 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00732888 / 0.00749999 (777731 shares, 5,699.90 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00510289 / 0.0075 (6065344 shares, 30,950.80 BTC)
Namworld: [16:14] <mircea_popescu> sign a gpg contract, do a push,
Namworld: [16:14] <mircea_popescu> full documentary trail.
Namworld: what if the other party doesn't return the shares?
mjr_: that is what i was thinking...you do insulate yourself from that risk on mirceau's side but smickles would have to go to the court i guess?
jurov: then smickles will rate me -10
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.77 = 7.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.007395 = 1.1093 BTC [+]
mjr_: that is a nice way of doing it
jurov: anyway i have much more than than that on my own left from ipo.. so i'm covered even if whale buys up to 0.001
mjr_: i need to read up on traunch, not sure if that is the right spelling
mircea_popescu: but i was talkingfrom the perspective of having the proof.
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get it, why borrow shares if you have shares ?!
mircea_popescu: i tell ye... these asics aren't working as advertised.
mjr_: i thought there were only 2 of them
mircea_popescu: im sorry i didn't take more bets on network diff last year.
mjr_: but i am kinda happy if that's the case cuz it puts my FPGA project back on track
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2470 @ 0.00069518 = 1.7171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5930 @ 0.00069998 = 4.1509 BTC [+]
jurov: yes borrowing has costs. i just wanted to operate with bigger amount
Namworld: there's no ASIC deployed yet no, except like 2?
mjr_: actually i had only really heard of 1 that was testing on slush's
mjr_: but i really don't konw
jurov: even these 2 should noticeably push the envelope
Namworld: How much hashing power are they?
Namworld: on 25 TH network... it would get lost in the noise...
jurov: ok i miscalculated somewhere
mircea_popescu: i have bets made in august and sept and oct and etc that diff will be under X
Namworld: network hashrate estimate varies 17500 - 27500 Ghash almost daily
Namworld: just estimates tho based on luck
jurov: Namworld, difficulty is weekly average and doesn't vary so much. the luck does apply, still
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
smickles: i've facilitated shorts for people where I don't transfer the shares too, usually because they don't have mpex or broker accounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00069617 = 1.3923 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.69731, Best ask: 20.74990, Bid-ask spread: 0.05259, Last trade: 20.74990, 24 hour volume: 32706.64412999, 24 hour low: 19.42000, 24 hour high: 20.75000, 24 hour vwap: 20.17193
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067349 = 2.9102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00067348 = 3.3674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4663 @ 0.00067347 = 3.1404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3566 @ 0.00067232 = 2.3975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3576 @ 0.00067036 = 2.3972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 1 @ 0.12907935 BTC [-]
mjr_: yeah i guess since usually you don't clear immediately
mjr_: broker shorts are usually what happens in finance
mjr_: but i guess we can consider that we clear immediately?
mjr_: not sure if "clear" is even applicable in this context
smickles: mjr_: you say the options are thinly traded? there were over 80 thousand of 'em traded last month
mjr_: is that all options?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.007395 = 36.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.996 BTC [-]
mjr_: i mean that is a range of calls and puts somewhere around the current price
smickles: there are some people who buy/sell thousands at a time over a range
mjr_: and probably what i meant more than that was that in general, those 80,000 may have been 80 orders...
mjr_: over at least 6 different instruments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.78525252 BTC [+]
mjr_: yes, but when you conflate "options" with S.DICE it isn't fair
mjr_: since there are many different options
smickles: mircea_popescu: the rss reports number of trads too, right?
mjr_: so if you want to get into a market maker position, you have to hope you are there at the right time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 745 @ 0.00067036 = 0.4994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00067035 = 6.7035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4666 @ 0.00067034 = 3.1278 BTC [-]
mjr_: it would be easy for S.DICE
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.74243, Best ask: 20.78400, Bid-ask spread: 0.04157, Last trade: 20.74243, 24 hour volume: 32847.73945862, 24 hour low: 19.42000, 24 hour high: 20.78000, 24 hour vwap: 20.17951
mjr_: but for any one specific option it may be tougher to hang in there, though the spread is large enough so it could work out well
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the bot made 10k btc by hanging in there las tmionth.
mjr_: is this jurov's or yours
mjr_: so i don't know if i want my bot going up against yours lol
mircea_popescu: mpex started out as an options trading page back in august 2011
jurov: lol, like, i made 10k last month but bragging about 38btc from coinbr instead :DDDD
mircea_popescu: in february mpex opened, the two got merged in april iirc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.76 = 15.2 BTC [-]
mjr_: you report havelocks but you can't fill their orders can you? or is that how it works...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]
mjr_: i'm not sure if they keep their own inventory and you just report for pricing purposes or if whenever they get an order it comes here and is then filled
smickles: assbot reports havelock, we assume havelock buys on mpex
mircea_popescu: in general the pt operators buy on mpex and resell on w/e platform they use
mjr_: it just seems like havelocks prices that they buy at are noticeably above what we see
mircea_popescu: well, if they don't manage to buy on mpex in time the demand on the other venue may push prices up
topace: anything reported by assbot is an internal trade from one havelock customer to another
mjr_: i would buy S.DICE at .00724519 a share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067407 = 2.9127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6420 @ 0.00067418 = 4.3282 BTC [+]
mjr_: or at least i would start there and if i needed more would raise price up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067395 = 2.9121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28180 @ 0.00067418 = 18.9984 BTC [+]
mjr_: are all orders queued mircea_popescu? ie. one queue for all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-]
smickles: i dun think so, havelock is a whole other platform
smickles: the sdice on havelock is essential a collective investment scheme
mjr_: yes i know...but they again just paid...almost 5% more than market
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069984 = 3.024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8129 @ 0.00069998 = 5.6901 BTC [+]
mjr_: and i know they have some sort of dividend holding thing going on
topace: mjr_: yes, but a lot of the people trading on havelock dont want to a) pay the mpex registration fee, and b) mess with gpg
mjr_: from what i heard last night
topace: (note: i run havelock)
mjr_: i heard that they keep 5% or something
topace: oh, yes, for the S.DICE passthru, we pay out 95% of the dividend we receive from mpex
mjr_: management fee...i haven't researched, and i don't know
topace: 5% is our "Fee" essentially for running the passthru
mjr_: and i understand about fees
mjr_: so yeah, i get that
mjr_: i think that is a great business model, and all orders are denominated in lots of 100 right?
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00703438 / 0.0073593 / 0.007395 (221103 shares, 1,627.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00732904 / 0.00749999 (782480 shares, 5,734.83 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00510684 / 0.0075 (6074156 shares, 31,019.75 BTC)
assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.75670000 / 0.78531261 / 0.83831111 (131 shares, 102.87595147 BTC), 7D: 0.56110000 / 0.75183841 / 0.89000000 (1573 shares, 1182.64181198 BTC), 30D: 0.44000000 / 0.58622355 / 0.89000000 (5772 shares, 3383.68232992 BTC)