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adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo' ☟︎
thestringpuller: does pogo stay synched or does it lag behind?
asciilifeform: adlai: actually nobody is running pogo today
assbot: 880 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
adlai: !s pogo
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v ☝︎
punkman: does pogo have problems with big mmaped files?
ascii_field: not for pogo
asciilifeform: i even ported it to motherfucking pogo
mircea_popescu: well this isn't a pogo what am i to do.
mircea_popescu: even "pogo-ready btc" might be good enough. definitely WOULD have been good enough, in 2015.
ascii_field: (and it HAS to be cured before pogo can be a thing)
phf: jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use.
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg pogo defense system
shinohai looks longingly at his little pogo on the shelf above.
asciilifeform: jurov, shinohai: pogo is a little-endian arch so it ought to work
shinohai: jurov seems to work here, I cat'd a few over to pogo and it syncs against it ^^
jurov: btw, is it possible to continue running a blockchain synced on amd64 on pogo?
mircea_popescu: Thing 6. We're trying to create a sane computer (other than pogo). Part of this consideration is some in-principle fundamental research work into ternary to be maybe attached to Thing 3.
mircea_popescu: Thing 2. We're trying to create an actually statically linked, weaponized bitcoind that's suitable for the pogo.
trinque: asciilifeform: thinking the kernel's automount mech. for pogo's external disk slot?
mircea_popescu: kinda have a) a nix ; b) a bitcoin and c) an obvious pogo-merge for these two.
mircea_popescu: actually the rotating tape is not such a bad idea. not just for pogo-log, but in general. wild notion, but, asciilifeform how about memory allocator that simply overwrites the beginning ?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316749 << the principle of this is sound. if you're debugging on pogo you've got more pressing problems than the log. such as your psychotherapy appointment. ☝︎
phf: in that case you'd better truncate it doing run too, because if that pogo doesn't go down, there's no cap on the log
phf: should there even be logs on pogo?
asciilifeform: to pogo.
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't even know how big it is, but will tell you that it is too big for pogo.
asciilifeform: there is no human user on, e.g., pogo.
asciilifeform: we threw it out, because it is really a harmful thing, but later ended up with an impression that it will have to be - in a separate process, yes - put back, if pogo is to be deployed to civilian households
asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for it is to get the pogo ready to go.
shinohai steals ascii_field 's build notes for pogo...
ascii_field: busybox is typically used in small machines, e.g., routers, our 'pogo', etc.
assbot: Logged on 01-11-2015 18:16:41; mod6: hmm. so yeah, the key will be to get these deps compiled statically. i might be wrong, but alf's pogo related things might have some sample configurations for getting these statically built on ARM.
mod6: hmm. so yeah, the key will be to get these deps compiled statically. i might be wrong, but alf's pogo related things might have some sample configurations for getting these statically built on ARM. ☟︎
asciilifeform: vulpes_a_hopital: it's essentially a pogo with a buncha weird turds welded on...
ascii_field: weird chip (similar to pogo) for which the only available os was a systemdized linuxlike
adlai: somebody get mathias a pogo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd
ascii_field: pogo is something quite like an actual computer
shinohai: Kinda like pogo
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Power Supply 10 x 1600 W Form Factor 11 U rack << reasonably even out power savings from pogo
BingoBoingo: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50 << perhaps solid companion to ship out with ever pogo
BingoBoingo: pogo may end up better suited to simpler #b-a services that emerge than serving bitcoin proper
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: we don't have anything remotely close to a pogo-capable bitcoind.
BingoBoingo starting to wonder if pogo could ever run bitcoind and a form of p2pool at the same time
phf: ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code.
shinohai: So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo
BingoBoingo: Lol ascii_field USG has its own pogo now too https://archive.is/zDd5y
asciilifeform: for all the good it did, re: pogo...
asciilifeform: ('2' shows the behaviour of a deterministically-syncing (from disk: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html -- (!!!) node. the block index grows linearly, ~300 byte per block.) this is entirely undigestible on a pogo.
asciilifeform: pogo is pending on two undone things:
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind
shinohai: Nope they didn't get in the library, just the little room where my routers and spare computers are. they left my pogo lol.
shinohai: K jurov. mats sent me sufficient btc to purchase a pogo, but I only got an inferior drive with it. Planned on getting something a little more robust
shinohai: Thx jurov. On my list of items to purchase when I actually get a working pogo binary.
ascii_field: these measurements can be deceptive re: pogo in particular, on account of the latter's sensitivity to cpu and especially bus starvation
jurov: okay but i wanted something cheap and still performant enough to use with pogo
mats: http://www.pogo.org/blog/2015/08/army-must-pay-kbr-legal-expenses.html
mircea_popescu: but in any case : it's not clear we can't stick it in pogo. so... there is that.
asciilifeform: phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'
ascii_field: (e.g. pogo)
asciilifeform: i mean, i can see arm-32 (pogo et al) or mips-32
BingoBoingo: A-10 is basically flying pogo
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?
mircea_popescu: pogo isn't the same thing as "cellphone"
jurov: pogo is useless without hard drive, either (and no, we don't have antifuse rom)
ascii_field: pogo?!!!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242129 << the dream of cheapskate "influencers", yoiu know ? they're gonna spin up 5k amazon instances for $500, and count it as a "majority" becauyse totally, votes from a buried pogo and an aws instance with a 100 hour lifespan are EQUAL. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the whole pogo thing was a few k's. this thing is k's of btc
mircea_popescu: and your pogo will catch up.
ascii_field: if it becomes possible to have blocks that selectively disable, e.g., pogo, enemy has a useful new capability.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification.
ascii_field: which means, he can spend $fixint and now ~no pogo is guaranteed to work~
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 19:12:55; hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
asciilifeform: i bet his cock ring is worth more than a container of pogo.
hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help) ☟︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: i think the last one built for pogo ~actually leaks~.
asciilifeform: the ~existing~ therealbitcoin can run on pogo, yes, if you enable swapping. but just barely. and imho we don't need a thousand more 'just barely' nodes.
asciilifeform: shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind ☟︎
shinohai retrieves his pogo from the disposal and puts it back on the shelf.
shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o
shinohai: Compiling ON the pogo is pointless.
mircea_popescu: shinohai maybe i don't understand crosscompilation, but a) shouldn't it work on pogo if you ever got it to compile/link anywhere ? and b) wasn't the idea to avoid compiling for the pogo ON THE POGO anyway ?
shinohai: Shitty old AMD laptop: 1, Shiny pogo: 0
trinque: even if you end up with a working pogo, if you don't understand the steps which resulted in that, you've gained very little
shinohai: asciilifeform: with the pogo binary from the mailing list I got 3 connections xD
shinohai: binary still doesn't run on mah pogo so I did something wrong.
asciilifeform: (pogo is an arm32)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221794 << danielpbarron's pogo, possibly ☝︎
shinohai: At the very least, I have not cursed God one time in all my failures with this pogo danielpbarron, so maybe there is hope for me yet.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting, incidentally, for mircea_popescu to tell me how to set the pogo clock without ntp
shinohai: trinque: *for* the pogo. *on* the pogo is just dumb.
trinque: on a debian pogo