BingoBoingo: Gerland I thought wasn't florida, but Shrem had a florida dude
mircea_popescu: could get "caught" in a "sting" for selling a used fridge for 525 dollars
mircea_popescu: supermarkets here want to see id for cash payments over ~100 dollars. everyone else pays you a discount because well, they don't actually report/pay the tax.
mircea_popescu: incomprehensibly, a few people still use the supermarkets.
mircea_popescu: i love it, really. it's basically a tax on supermarkets.
mircea_popescu: (but ftr, china is land of the freedom. they actually and specifically do not do any of the aml bs.)
mircea_popescu: here's a tidbit : all "named" banks actually operate under license, separately. because the chinese will strangle you if you actually send info over.
mircea_popescu: and so the westerners are too petrified by the double whammy, and can't operate themselves.
mircea_popescu: you're not trying to argue that gpg is to be replaced are you ?
mircea_popescu: aite. nothing wrong with putting the many warts in the log, either
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
mircea_popescu: think about it.,.. well, i dunno how much experience you have with it, but
mircea_popescu: "fail new disk" error rate seems to be 5 to 10x higher in raid setups than in solo setups.
shinohai: see bitcointalk going down every 2 weeks for an example of shitty raid configs.
mircea_popescu: says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:17; trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
mircea_popescu: i think you probably recall the design discussions for this ?
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mircea_popescu: a ton of orphan blasting, looking through the logs, but they don't actually do anything to me.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:41; trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
mircea_popescu: finding a solution to the hosting problem, a ~correct~ solution is actually higher priority than anything else atm.
mircea_popescu: but pretty much the only thing western kids wanna do is derp with webdev ; and the eastern kids wanna polish the kalash.
mircea_popescu: eh dun take it personally, i'm talking of everyone else.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:05:09; funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
mircea_popescu: derpy resellers are right out. machines in natoland are right out. derps unable/unwilling to wot are right out. etc.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:14:52; mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
mircea_popescu: a society that doesn't bitchslap them opens itself to this sort of gunkification.
mircea_popescu: a very simple solution is, "never fuck newbies without at least one slavegirl participating"
mircea_popescu: yet it's not my fault the models you all learned as children are constructed to serve your society, not your own needs and interests.
BingoBoingo: Nah, makes perfect sense you gotta bring your own orgy to the one night stand
mircea_popescu: better model; always asks current ego to die because current ego is a piece of shit.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:19:42; asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY the sort the female-politics niggers HATE to see
mircea_popescu: if all females were she-rakims their life would be so smooth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mind in the slightest - more flesh for me.
mircea_popescu: it is, contrary (to whose surprise ?) to what the derps try to tell them, pretty much the only important characteristic.
mircea_popescu: i can teach constitutional law to a rodent that's obedient and determined, enough of it at any rate to surpass the present mulatto in chief.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:05:49; mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:11:00; imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?
mircea_popescu: "How long would it take for Toyota to start living up to these accusations in earnest? And why should it not do so? What is to be gained from corporate sainthood?" << "De ce te uiti de parca ti-am furat ceva. Daca tot te uiti asa, mai bine ti-as fura."
mircea_popescu: i think maybe the white rapper guy had some verse to the point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but entertain me, for my own education, on a purely business matter of some public interest.
mircea_popescu: i could spend money to have eulora interface translated into some sort of an iapp. it'd prolly work, more or less. i... aren't bothering myself with actually doing this.
mircea_popescu: do you not count it as an example of developer eschewing the monopoly ? and to apple's detriment ?
mircea_popescu: sure, they got a monopoly on all the candy crush. so ?
mircea_popescu: same thing as with steam : i would not even accept money from them.
mircea_popescu: but forget this nonsense, focus on the business interest.
mircea_popescu: so : there is a thing. it doesn't go there. to their detriment. what of the monopoly ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can move btc using email, too. what of it ? your problem.
mircea_popescu: ipad didn't get any fortress-whatever that's called action either.
mircea_popescu: in fact, and i had this deeply reviewed, ipad is an approximation of "Flash games"/arcade website, which was always a bit player.
mircea_popescu: they have like... 3 types of games, and rehashed ad nauseam.
mircea_popescu: missed by a mile, they weren't even shooting towards it.
mircea_popescu: and i'm marginally consdiering them (iirc was in the logs), but also kind-of meh.
mircea_popescu: and the reason is, apparently, that steam doesn't have the wisdom to have expert packagers out there looking for work.
mircea_popescu: which is what i/bezos would have done as #1 thing to do.
mircea_popescu: it's very strange how stupid perpetuates itself in that market, in spite of better exampled extant, and well publicised.
mircea_popescu: it's almost like the dating market : some people are decent at picking up c hicks, and the losers watch them do it and... still suck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would honestly think it's a waste of your time to do this ?
mircea_popescu: not that it's not open to folk wanting the work and +wot centrality, but hey.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, that may be, but i do not waste most of my money downshifting people. in general i waste it upshifting people.
mircea_popescu: course... people are talented at resisting it, but hey :D
mircea_popescu: "You want a non-tyrannical Apple? Rather than striving to weaken Apple so that it can be devoured by its brawny-yet-mindless competitors, do something constructive. Experiment with GUIs which don’t trace their descent to Xerox PARC. Forever renounce the idiotic practice of copying Microsoft, that cheap imitation of a cheap imitation. If you are creative, create. Otherwise, strive to find a strong-willed Jobs fig
mircea_popescu: ure gifted with good taste, and become his loyal servant."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The hang with words one. Finally doing the Severance/sheriff piece
trinque: bitcoind trashing the debug.log each time has got to go
trinque: I'll have a taste of some low-hanging fruit this weekend
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 00:10:19; asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
trinque: jurov: pls switch disgests on the mailing list to off for me; I cannot
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you're the u.s. legal/policing expert 'round these parts :)
jurov: trinque you should be set
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 01:02:00; mircea_popescu: why ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how come nobody says 'parallel killer' << Like McVeigh?
trinque: the nazis had quite the multiprocessing going for a time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, hinted but yes a point for the comments!
mircea_popescu: which we know was "of his" because washington post would never lie.
BingoBoingo: Definitely for the comments, because I was not thinking of this part
mircea_popescu: "|Ulanoff completely fails to examine this "oh yeah, we suck in some areas claim". Why? The guy's a "car reporter". No more, no less. If he says negative things about the companies that pay his salary, he gets fired and the publication for whom he works never gets another scoop/lead/exclusive." << BUT WHY ?
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead killing the sheriff." better?
mircea_popescu: "Apple's fabrication partners appear to be taking the opposite approach, which is to select parts whose tolerance errors cancel each other out." << this is wartime engineering.
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead of killing the sheriff." << better?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall who had this display of "100 ohm resistors" that measured from 30 to a whopping 1.5k
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 02:36:33; asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
mod6: ah, similar to your py implementation? i'll take a look.
mod6: at first glance, looks like one needs to "use File::Tempdir", so will veer away from that.
mircea_popescu: q : wouldn't the right way to do this be, "gen session key" ?
mircea_popescu: it does offer a firm guarantee that "always the one you made"
mod6: my thought was to create if it doesn't exist, otherwise die. and delete at the end of execution. however there is a scenario where if for instance a seal exists from a key that is not in the wot and the application exits before main returns.
mircea_popescu: gen memory key, keep it in a file keyed thus, delete on finish.
mod6: i guess i could hash the epoch time and append it to the dir name, store it as a global for "session" key.
mod6: just something unique to when executed.
mod6: i don't wanna over complicate this to begin with.
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trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
☟︎ trinque: that it's a debug log and someone thought well gee if it gets too big better shrink it
trinque: furthermore that it's even the job of the thing to clumsily rotate its own log
phf: mod6: use File::Temp qw/:mktemp/; $foo = mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXXXXXX"); print $foo."\n"; # => /tmp/foowq51sxd
phf: i'm not sure how more easy can this be
mod6: i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: yes I would prefer that it only do one thing, but you are correct that it calls this only if !fDebug
phf: mod6: file::temp is perl stock
phf: mkdtemp is a canonical way of creating a temporary directory on unix, that'll also ensure a) no collisions b) proper permissions, i.e. 700
trinque: asciilifeform: one might rotate a production log, fine
trinque: the rotation was put in the debug log; that is mega-autism
trinque: and not even rotation, goofy head-trimming
trinque: if it were the ADA version or even one written with as few deps as possible, I'd grant you're right
trinque: this is *not* standalone at all
trinque: how does the fact that it was written for windows argue for the retardation staying
trinque: I am commenting on the idiocy of a thing *ever* taking it upon itself to erase the history of its own operation
trinque: when it is sitting on a system where the user can decide to do this if he chooses
trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
☟︎ trinque: this log file is a small fraction of the size of the blockchain which is also constantly being written
trinque: I was thinking of a lower log level than whatever I'd expect from "debug" but in that case yes
trinque: asciilifeform: why not have the thing barf everything to stdout and stderr and let whatever's out there do with it what it pleases; opposed to unix-y small proggies that do one thing here?
phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code,
http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
☟︎ trinque: runit runs things in precisely this manner, and is the smallest init guy I know
trinque: one sec while I go find the ram usage of runit on a similar device
phf: should there even be logs on pogo?
trinque: bout two orders of magnitude north of that
phf: in that case you'd better truncate it doing run too, because if that pogo doesn't go down, there's no cap on the log
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trinque: init on the same device is taking about 300kb more than runit, as on this thing I have the former starting the latter
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:46:35; mod6: i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
trinque is curiously googling what init=bitcoind would take
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:00:13; trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:01:40; asciilifeform: #error "--enable-m-guard does not currently work"
mircea_popescu: actually the rotating tape is not such a bad idea. not just for pogo-log, but in general. wild notion, but, asciilifeform how about memory allocator that simply overwrites the beginning ?
phf: system message buffer operates that way (i.e. what you get with dmesg)
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:16:02; phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code,
http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
mircea_popescu: and for this same exact reason, as alf would say, "cement".
trinque: I suppose given you can fire up networking entirely from within the linux kernel, init=bitcoind may be all that is needed at some point
phf: mircea_popescu: i honestly thought it was a thin wrapper around call to unix mkdtemp, glad i checked
mircea_popescu: trinque the eventual end goal is to have bitcoinix. as alf says, no userland at all. nor really a kernel in the common sense.
mircea_popescu: kinda have a) a nix ; b) a bitcoin and c) an obvious pogo-merge for these two.
mircea_popescu: back to tape : not to mention that since these these things are virtualized, you could in principle specify how you wish the available mem to be split among the various rotating tapes.
mircea_popescu: apparently not liquid enough. "liquifying - works ; drinking - not yet."
trinque: asciilifeform: thinking the kernel's automount mech. for pogo's external disk slot?
mircea_popescu: so the fucking web idiots have come up with a novel css hell that chokes my browsers.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck these fucking idiots and theyr css. should be hanged.
mircea_popescu: your "formatting" does not work inline, go die in a fire.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
trinque: whole thing is a massive sin
liquidassets: “only the Übermensch will have the strength to fully accept all of his past life, including his failures and misdeeds, and to truly will their eternal return” grepped straight from the logz
liquidassets: anytime you're opened up to liability, the one who documents best seems to win
BingoBoingo: <liquidassets> ... << full disclosure via logs is most correct thing for honeytrapping no? << Yes, like that time I blogged the FBI visit to my front door
BingoBoingo: For honeydicking, I am less certain the proper course of action
liquidassets: Exactly BingoBoingo except I still have to go back and read more to get the full context
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ?
trinque: bragged about HP's role helping the NSA under her watch, too
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ? << Doctor Stoner is actually leading now. Rubio appears to be the establishment alternative now that Jeb is dead in the water
mircea_popescu: i would imagine the republicans understand enough of their small penis issues to not imagine they can pull democrat tricks.
trinque: Trump and Carson practically fist-bumped on stage in that CNBC "debate"; I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up running together
BingoBoingo: George Clinton was well known at the time though
BingoBoingo: But seriously none of the republicans are going to stop before the first primaries because they gotta build their profile in public to become TV hosts
BingoBoingo: Democrats on the other hand quit well in advance because getting appointed to various offices is the way of their people
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'm still waiting for the magical 1986 or so of our day, when thinking people stop even recreationally giving a shit about the stuffed shirts << Too late BitBet exists
trinque: perhaps asciilifeform is waiting for "The USG scam wont see 2019"
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mircea_popescu: " It compiles in a couple of seconds and is trivial to boot up in QEMU." o.O
mircea_popescu: you know this actually sounds rather interesting. why is it that it's not good for us ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> adding tcp would prolly double or triple the mass, though << the challenge would be to not write the worst piece of the completed assemblage.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 05:37:58; mircea_popescu: you know this actually sounds rather interesting. why is it that it's not good for us ?
mircea_popescu: these aren't abstractions as much as they are infections.
mircea_popescu: seems this v6 thing would be a great starting point for a great many things.
mircea_popescu: " the challenge would be to not write the worst piece of the completed assemblage."
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mircea_popescu: but that aside : if you build your own allocator you can do a lot of things you wish you could have done.
mircea_popescu: but dollars to donuts that is pointedly not what malloc actuyally is.
mircea_popescu: "this very this" lol. i'm not going to even research it. i know it's what the nexus of all diddlery would have to be if i was running the diddle department.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: myes, although mayhap we talk of different things
mircea_popescu: there should, i imagine, be a way to extract significant cheating out of the fact that we don't intend to support random gunk.
ben_vulpes: various kinds of salaried and hourly employment. yourself?
ben_vulpes: "employ" in the states is a peculiar contractual arrangement where the employer agrees to remit taxes on behalf of the employed.
mircea_popescu: well, ok, but specifically. sf salary + benefits ? oregon salary + sorta ? low salary + equity ?
ben_vulpes: i pay technical staff hourly rates such that should staff choose to work a 35+ hour week, they'd make depending on their value to my org ±10% of a bigcorp salary.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, im running into a whole fucking list of problems with all the shitty dust people send to bitbet. do you suppose we put in a progressive fee structure ? like "fee is a minimum of 0.0001, + 10% of everything under 0.01 + 1% of rest ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and do you have workload they can actually work 35 hour weeks every week ? and doing what, tech wise ? js ? ruby ? py ? perl ?
ben_vulpes: re technologies, we do mobile in obj-c, swift (i guess theoretically), java, server stuff in python/django/whatever, ruby/rails/whatever, java/clojure/{it's all algol you know}, and actual web stuff in whatever hodgepodge of html/css and js is already in place or pretty well-curated tools that...abstract over the hodgepodge to one degree or another.
mircea_popescu: well... asciilifeform meet ben_vulpes ; ben_vulpes meet asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: staff are guaranteed 32 hours/wk, client work backstopped out of my pocket.
ben_vulpes: i can always cook up work for people to do on my own tooling.
mircea_popescu: alfie grew an extra hand, was looking for exactly this type of flexible deal to help pay for his latest nuclear missile arrangement.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're familiar with stan's line about "working on anything not of my own mind is only slightly better than suicide"?
ben_vulpes: well should i need someone to port eulora to ipad i'll ring him up
ben_vulpes: as it stands, he hates the kind of work my shop does, and i have a list of people who also hate the kind of work that we do but also find the company company so beguiling that they're willing and sometimes even eager to do it anyways.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform knows: life in the galleys is marginally less miserable with phri3ndz
ben_vulpes: not eager to do it, i misspoke. eager to spend time in our mines rather than wherever they slave normally.
ben_vulpes: i know your rates, and you could live comfortably out here.
ben_vulpes: 220V, 3 phase, a poured pad, and nobody would bat an eye if you weather-proofed the ADU.
ben_vulpes: d'you know? i only landed my first of those within the past month.
ben_vulpes: operating as a corporation rather than an individual has benefits like that.
ben_vulpes: much like picking up chixx, it's easier if you have a few in tow already.
ben_vulpes: also worth mentioning that gracefully handling rapidly shifting requirements is core to how the business operates.
ben_vulpes: it is purpose designed, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes is unsure if this is wankery or pricing exercise
ben_vulpes: if you want intros to indenturitude, i can provide this as well.
ben_vulpes: culture out here is such that you can skirt by for ~30/wk and a relatively cheap commute, with no "lifetime commitment".
ben_vulpes: this provides for some small amount of thinking time.
ben_vulpes: do consider the improvement in the serf's quality of life when biking (or walking!) thirty minutes to and fro the galley each day, compared to the hour in the wheelbox each direction that can be had in other places, composed with the shorter work week that is possible.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for log readers only, this confession.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this "can't have X, can't have non-X" sorta thing will necessarily resolve itself in time. there's no other way.
mircea_popescu: random thought of the day : wtf is this "boyfriend" bs. girlfriend i can see, but it's manfriend innit.
liquidassets: Boyfriend suggests, ‘he’s not fucking other women just me’ Manfriend, not so.
BingoBoingo: Boyfriend suggest alterboy being buggered over the altar
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jurov: i tried to sync my 0.5.4 to core 0.11, it won't sync
☟︎ jurov: returned to 0.10 which works
shinohai: ;;later tell SuchWow Your quit message is atrocious. "This too is temporary, as most things are" reduces your comma usage and makes you not sound like a hippy.
shinohai: jurov: I have had same results. it won't sync against new core.
shinohai: I can't get core to not crash 0.11 xD
shinohai: I have an old 0.10.0 binary that does.
jurov: punkman, on superficial look it does not return getblock() data anymore
punkman: jurov, does the 0.11 instance ban the 0.5.4?
jurov: then i tried to set MIN_PEER_PROTO_VERSION = 0 in 0.11
☟︎ jurov: then 0.5.4 connected but could not get data
jurov: then i returned to 0.10 and left further research for later
☟︎ shinohai: I can't say for certain until I clone my drive, had to idle it for a bit.
shinohai: Got new shitty 500 mb drive yesterday from china! :D
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 13:24:30; jurov: then i returned to 0.10 and left further research for later
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 13:23:33; jurov: then i tried to set MIN_PEER_PROTO_VERSION = 0 in 0.11
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Pentagon Farmed Out Its Coding to Russia - The Daily Beast << ahahahaha no, really ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> i tried to sync my 0.5.4 to core 0.11, it won't sync << this is a horribru error message.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> punkman, on superficial look it does not return getblock() data anymore << nuts. so 0.11 is forked off the network then ?
thestringpuller: what's with reddit complaining about the blocksize bullshit again?
trinque: The Department of Defense's posture on cybersecurity ultimately affects national security. << There's a deep cultural flaw in this sentence emanating from the word posture.
trinque: the notion that merely looking like the thing you wish to be is sufficient has seeped into everything
punkman: so according to that chart 11million btc moved in a day?
punkman: days destroyed is much smoother
mircea_popescu: which indicates that it's mostly people moving the same btc back and forth.
mircea_popescu: ie, that same 1-2% of the coins that are in hands of self important usg ceo/vc types.
mircea_popescu: my god, ceo is going to go the way of nigger and handicapped within my lifetime isn't it.
adlai is surprised nobody has yet accused the marshals of building the recent eiffel tower, as auction optimization
adlai: patternspeak for up-and-down. i'm probably misusing it, iirc it's only an eiffel if the down returns to levels before the up
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mircea_popescu: adlai because it's not true. they get accused of the scams they actually pull.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42793 @ 0.00054238 = 23.2101 BTC [+] {7}
PeterL: mircea_popescu: so what was the problem with MPEx?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:01:40; asciilifeform: which more or less died out as a scientific field in the 'civilized' world.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my broadcast later tonight when i get out of the pit
ascii_field: PeterL: most of what's happening in chem is a) usg grantsmanship b) monkey tricks to extend pharma patents. and most of what remains is being done by folks who grew up with hobby chemistry.
PeterL: There is also chemistry research at, for example, Dow Chemical, which they don't publish but instead use to make themselves money, does this not count?
ascii_field: PeterL: in so far as i can see from my perch, nothing fundamental has happened in at least a generation.
mircea_popescu: yes well nothing fundamental has happened in physics since mendeleev
mircea_popescu: what the fuck's gonna happen, invent a new electron load ?
PeterL: there is alot of organic synthesis space that has been investigated since then
ascii_field: fission's pretty fundamental. even something like tunnel diode.
PeterL: a bunch of small improvements adds up over time
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you think you have genome sequencing, otherwise, and why the fuck do you think woman's stockings is a bigger deal.
ascii_field: it'd be fundamental if it opens up a whole concept that was previously closed. e.g., if a catalyst were to be found that makes electrolysis of h2o reasonably efficient
PeterL: I see, if you push the goal posts far enough away then nobody will ever score
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yer looking in the wrong end of the funnel. yes, women still wear stockings, but american south no longer can have plantations, because the fiber doesn't grow out of the ground.
ascii_field: PeterL: there is such a thing as invention.
ascii_field: and it - for the most part - isn't happening.
PeterL: but you are saying only super-invention counts?
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense, srlsy. the 70s-90s in catalysts are more important than anything that ever happened in chemistry.
mircea_popescu: you can fucking go around looking for biosynthesizers now, for this reason
ascii_field: 'fundamental' is an actual thing. it doesn't resolve to 'very spiffy', it has a meaning
ascii_field: as in, you can build ~new~ structure on it
ascii_field: the 17th floor of empire state bldg is not a fundament.
mircea_popescu: but the FACT that now there are 17 floor buildings IS fundament.
PeterL: but without the 17th floor you can't build the 18th floor
mircea_popescu: i don't care you sat on your tatched roof in mongolia and thus "dreamed" of skyscraper.
ascii_field: bldg has a foundation. it is different from the other parts of the structure in that it lets you start having floors where prior you could only sit down in the dirt.
ascii_field: this is not a moral judgement, just an observation - you need different people for the foundation of a concept, than for 17th floor
ascii_field: poor old j.c.maxwell gets no rest when this comes up, but i'ma have to use him as example again. he didn't even bother ~trying~ to build a radio...
mircea_popescu: you've still not defined your "fundamental" "actula thing"
ascii_field: though he derived all of the maths that have or will ever apply.
ascii_field: yesterday no one knew em wave was a thing. and then - it is.
mircea_popescu: it never happened in chemistry. it was always physics.
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining electric engineering didn't invent any new type of electron.
ascii_field: startling to the point that nato lands shelved it as sov disinfo for decades
ascii_field: proved that thermodynamics is only stochastically applicable.
ascii_field: (that energy is only conserved on a large enough time scale)
mircea_popescu: but by your very definition this is not a fundamental result.
mircea_popescu: it is merely the experimental verification of the theoretically obvious
mircea_popescu: ever since qm reduced macro tm to the status of macro tm
mircea_popescu: this inspires me! tonight ima have one girl write nickserv on her pubis, and the other chanserv
mircea_popescu: "In its classical form the BZ reaction consist of a one-electron redox catalyst"
mircea_popescu: aka "let's ignore what's being said and run off with one marginal example of the broad category discussed".
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 06:14:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, im running into a whole fucking list of problems with all the shitty dust people send to bitbet. do you suppose we put in a progressive fee structure ? like "fee is a minimum of 0.0001, + 10% of everything under 0.01 + 1% of rest ?
ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu was speaking of petro cracking catalysts earlier ?
ascii_field: which are '% massage' rather than 'new field'
mircea_popescu: no. speaking of catalythic chemistry. as a thing. which it is.
mircea_popescu: and my examples were around genome research and biosynthesizer identification
mircea_popescu: neither of which can be read reductionistically to "petrochem".
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa it will discourage people from sending them.
ascii_field: these last two, i had the misfortune to be involved in.
mircea_popescu: it's also a problem of cost. dust txn impose a cost on us.
mircea_popescu: currently this CAN work as an extraction engine - it costs me more to make the payouts than i take in.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so you hate them, that's fine, but you can't impugn the whole subdiscipline just because idiots somewhere
kakobreklaa: if you leave dust sitting long enough and at some point flush all the dust in a single tx to a nondusty result ?
mircea_popescu: it is not worth my time to handle 10k satoshi txn for less than 10k satoshi. this is a fact.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i don't hate'em, but i did search in vain for signs that somebody was ~thinking~ rather than merely piling intel xeons ten metres high
mircea_popescu: think that i have to keep SOME dust over here while idiots get aggitated because "o noes it's been 25 hours" so im now creating more dust
mircea_popescu: which will come back to me, and i have to sit on it, and create more dust to payout.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you prefer i can instead make it a time rule, and be like "bets under 0.0001 are paid in a year. bets under 0.01 are paid in a week"
mircea_popescu: seems it is saner to be paid in money than in time, to me.
kakobreklaa: so you wanna make poorfags even poorer to a point where they no longer send a satoshi, is this the idea?
mircea_popescu: there is no reason under the sun to process, manage, consider or in any way interact with subdollar transactions.
phf: v6 is a beauty, but for the amount of stuff that's required to be written why not lisp os?
punkman: why not a minimum bet amount, everything else gracious donation
mircea_popescu: punkman kinda what i was proposing, a progressive scale. imo the way i stated it is better pr, but whatevs.
ascii_field: phf: i was trying to see if anyone comes to this conclusion independently of my saying it.
ascii_field: phf: THE SIMPLEST malloc() is 10x more complicated than, e.g, the gc engine in 'tinyscheme'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field god damned weren't you going on about how it needs sbcl machine bla bla ?
ascii_field: if you want to use it as a graphical terminal
ascii_field: i have raw scheme going on x64 metal right now
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm just stirring shit up
PeterL: mircea_popescu: there is no reason under the sun to process, manage, consider or in any way interact with subdollar transactions. << you are going to link min bet amounts to the USD/BTC price now? are you going to have the website show the "estimated $ amount" like the VC circus sites do?
☟︎ phf: ascii_field: my undergrad "thesis" was putting a malloc on a one of those teaching os's, it was interesting in that "wrestling with bare metal" sort of way, but then i learned how lispm does it, and realized that i was lied to
ascii_field: phf: i tried to explain some of this in last night's thread
ascii_field: but realized that my interlocutors did not know the fundamentals involved (because scarcely anybody does, and not everyone is an archaeologist)
thestringpuller: phf: ugh they made you do that shit too? we had to write malloc for the game boy advance, or a game boy advance game for a final project for course in C
phf: ascii_field: that's the problem with a lot of lisp conversations here, your interlocutors have some vague idea about how things are done right now and in unix world. even unixisms are used not in their "pure form", but in their final gnu/linux state. there's complete lack of semantic match between that and historical lisp. ultimately debates are reduced to "macros are bad because cpp is bad"
☟︎ ascii_field: jurov: do i understand, this needs a heavily patched client ?
ascii_field: and only available presently for the heathen one ?
lobbes: kakobreklaa: fuckin chanserv << I know what you mean. I had to ghost my nick off earlier
phf: thestringpuller: it wasn't actually forced. started as a final project in william arbaugh's (the guy who did the smooth handover wireless implementation at umd) class, where we were writing a malloc for the teaching os as a final project, only three mallocs came anywhere near the spec, since mine was one of them i had the opportunity to say that the whole thing was a sham "shit code written by retards", etc. and that you can have orders
phf: of magnitude improvements and that the whole thing is not even funny. he suggested that i do an implementation as an indepedent study for another semester and that's what i did
phf: i've been trying very hard for the past 15 minutes to remember its name or anything about it, and even though i spent 8 months with it, i'm completely failing to
ascii_field: in my era it was named 'geek os' but it had some earlier name.
PeterL: if unix is so horrible, why is there no alternative taking over the world?
PeterL: oh, wait, windows already did, right?
trinque: PeterL: are you arguing from the wisdom of the mass market customer?
ascii_field: your NIC, regardless of who built it, operates with ring buffers, roughly like this
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 01:07:56; asciilifeform: at any rate, i (and $maxint others) will port $whateverthefuckyouwant to, e.g., cray II. for a fee.
ascii_field: when a packet comes in over the wire, it gets thrown into a buffer pointed to by a particular register in the card's cpu, and the latter reads the addr of the next buffer from a pre-baked list
PeterL: trinque: yes, sarcasm flag operational, mostly
ascii_field: but what if - per last night's thread - you decided that you DON'T WANT TO REPRESENT STRINGS AS CONTIGUOUS BYTES ?
ascii_field: where each character is stored in half of a word, with the other half being a pointer to the next char ?
PeterL: wouldn't that make strings take up twice as much memory?
ascii_field: suddenly you need a massive 'bureaucracy' to convert between the contiguous blobs your devices eat and shit, and your notion.
ascii_field: PeterL: see 'cdr coding' for why this does not have to be the case
ascii_field: i picked this example out of a tall hat with many others, to demonstrate the impedance mismatch between the lisp way of doing things and pc iron
ascii_field: and how it cannot be cleanly papered over in software.
ascii_field: AND this is a device for which we HAVE the specs !
ascii_field: i am deliberately not even mentioning gpu, because it is possible to have a useful computer with no vga board (e.g., you can speak x11 over tcp)
ascii_field: likewise, pc arch is braindamaged in 1,001 ways which are NOT realistically correctable, and certainly not in software
ascii_field: nor any built-in provision for battery-backed transactional ram
PeterL: so the only way to get a better operating system is to start with purpose built hardware?
ascii_field: and all questions of os aside, you will need to bake own silicon if you don't like running usg blobs.
ascii_field: (the odds are very good that your southbridge is running just one such as we speak.)
ascii_field: even if we ignore the profound braindamage of the x86 arch - instruction set, memory structure, clumsily retrofitted multiprocessor, etc. -
ascii_field: the basic fact is that no two x86 pc boxes can be relied upon to have the same iron
PeterL: If you hypothetically could make your own silicon, and "real computer", do you think it could ever displace the entrenched systems everybody is currently using?
ascii_field: so now you have to constantly chase the largely nonexistent docs for new southbridge, etc
ascii_field: PeterL: no likelier than bitcoin displacing usd
ascii_field: and you can't somehow beat microshit and crapple by competing on an imaginary playing field
PeterL: derpiest will continue running winblows
ascii_field: it'd have to be a computer for 100 people.
trinque: PeterL: this assumes that the same group of derps will continue to exist forever
ascii_field: i do not know how to make a cpu for 100 people.
PeterL: lacks a certain "economy of scale"
trinque: sounds more like "will this superior military weapon ever supercede this other weaker weapon in terms of market penetration?"
trinque: well. yes, but not that way
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PeterL: military weapons measure penetration by inches of steel, not percentages of market
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trinque: if I have 10 nukes and you have 100 artillery in a fortress, and I nuke the fortress, does a nuke silo spring up in its midst?
trinque: quantity is not the only consideration, nor is everyone on the same side
PeterL: so "real computer" takes over when "winblows users" all die off?
trinque: takes over what? who cares if some poor guy still has an iPhone?
☟︎ PeterL: trying to fit trinque's nuke-artillery metaphore onto computers, clearly failing
ascii_field: 'when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most -- there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual "winner", and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory.'
☟︎ ascii_field: microshit's very existence has deformed thought processes of a great many people.
☟︎ ascii_field: PeterL: one of the things to understand is that your computer is the way it is because the 'computing industry' consists of 1,001 people mutually sucking one another's cocks and profiting off the braindamage to every fella actually trying to get useful work done.
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 15:31:19; asciilifeform: this keeps in perfect fitting with the 'computing industry'-as-a-protection racket business model of the last 20+ yrs, where it 'solves' exclusively those problems which it, itself, creates.
PeterL: I'm off to get the kids from school, mostly I lurk by reading the logs
ben_vulpes: phf: where's a sane place from which to procure gpg-error? i've found some text files scattered about the web but nothing in the gpgme lang/cl dir
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: the thing is shaky beyond belief
ascii_field: i have a puzzle for ben_vulpes, who is awake, and mircea_popescu, who might soon awaken, and the rest:
ben_vulpes fails to find the logline wherein asciilifeform claims that common lisp packages "tend to work unlike in other languages"
☟︎ ascii_field: ben_vulpes: when they ~are~ common lisp packages
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: don't mind me, i'm just trying to learn the violin.
ascii_field: the author of an ffi pkg has no control over what c turd is on your box
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any "v", your "v" or "v" in the abstract?
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 13:54:55; mircea_popescu: the stator saving of the continuity feeling was too narrow for my liking.
ascii_field: or rather, the concept+the working mechanism (ver 99)
ascii_field: it is very valuable to, e.g., mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: are you then asking what the value of 'v' is to me, then?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: the thing i'm trying to figure out is whether i'm smarter than a chicken.
ascii_field: so far the evidence points to the negative
ascii_field: funkenstein_: to his patrons, his ability to produce'em was valuable
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: I don't follow. again, as though I were five?
punkman: loper machine needs patrons too
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00022294 / 0.00023879 (7865 shares, 1.75 BTC)
funkenstein_: aha, proggys need patron model not box in store model
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: do you understand why chicken in particular ?
ascii_field: in the sense that dumb bird lays eggs for free.
ben_vulpes: what the ever loving fuck is this mkerrorcodes.awk
ben_vulpes: ascii_field is the proud owner of some equitytoiletpaper?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: specifically discussing other works.
ascii_field: summary of what punkman thought of the other works ?
jurov:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 "if you are any kind of open-source leader or senior figure who is male, do not be alone with any female, ever, at a technical conference."
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: chicken cannot learn from its mistakes.
trinque: ascii_field: this is why I spoke of military hardware; it's only valuable if it's a) used and b) the user wins something of value
punkman: ascii_field: summary of what punkman thought of the other works ? << not at all
ascii_field not trying to troll people, but wants to get some sort of big picture view
ascii_field has a very distinct feeling, prompted by last night's thread, that he is failing a kind of economic iq test
phf: ben_vulpes: libgpg-error, and share/common-lisp is installed with brew version, but
phf: gpgme bindings are broken, since they've not been updated since 2008 or so, i'm surprised they are in the source tree at all
ascii_field distinctly recalls warning people about this a while back
ascii_field: gpg is ~extremely~ librarization-resistant, much like gcc.
☟︎ phf: luckily for you today only you can get a new and improved PATCH from me that will at least let you create context, since i only finished it like last night, i don't yet know if it will actually encrypt, but it might
trinque: ascii_field: gotta invent the path which leads to the thing desired, not just the thing itself
trinque: there are plenty more knowledgable on this than myself, but this is why I ask periodically about smaller components of the thing, if such a thing exists at all
ascii_field: there is not, it turns out, in many of these cases, any substitute for it.
ben_vulpes: high performance individuals can hobble a team like this.
ascii_field: also there is no means of getting more than 24 hours of it per day.
ben_vulpes: "ah fuckit, get out of my way, i'll do it in a tenth the time and it'll be twice as good."
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: we are speaking of cases where there isn't even an 'it' prior.
ben_vulpes: separate the doing of it from the thinking up of the it to do.
ascii_field: and at any rate, i'm not a 'high-performance' anything.
trinque: could very well be that the mechanism by which a central govt steals from a large population via fiat monetary systems got us the CPUs we use today far earlier than they'd have been had without the theft
☟︎ ascii_field: trinque: even the hypothetical of 'without the theft' is rather like asking for 'without scurvy'
ascii_field: at a certain stage of tech development, widespread scurvy is more or less certain
trinque: rather, before bitcoin this theft was possible
trinque: there was the thread about mathematics in the USSR which rings a bell here
ascii_field: where i was trying to say more or less the same thing each time.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's more valuable: a honed and tidied 'v' implementation or several different implementations from wotmembers?
ben_vulpes: no i know. but i'm asking you another question of value.
trinque: sure, that market distortions happen doesn't mean they don't happen in a useful direction. it only means that other things will suffer greatly, that things are imbalanced.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but of the system consisting of the invention plus the demonstration of its feasibility.
trinque: ascii_field: it's simply this, that other than via magical thinking and zealotry, your thing will only happen when it costs less than someone is willing to pay to solve a problem he has
trinque: ascii_field: so you should go cause problems for people meantime!
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ascii_field: which the other implementations are using as a crib sheet
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: or take the example of my trb patches.
ascii_field: this work had nothing to do with s.nsa product.
ben_vulpes: while noble, i do not see much turkey-buying value in pogoquest.
ascii_field: or the continuity bridge, from old thread linked earlier ?
ascii_field: or the removal of the 'orphan' blk and tx dos vectors ? etc
ben_vulpes: what is the value of a put on facebook expiring 5 years from now?
ascii_field: see, it is this 'noble' thing that i don't grasp
ascii_field: because so far what it appears to mean is 'that's nice, chicken, keep laying eggs, but go and look for food ~somewhere~'
trinque: do you benefit from a world where bitcoin functions or don't you?
trinque: it's not rhetorical, it's *the* question
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trinque: this I think is the value in doing "world-building" work
ascii_field: and anyway nobody asked me whether it 'ought to exist'
trinque: not that there's immediate pay; it's a long position
trinque: whether it exists theoretically is distinct from whether this run of the idea takes now or after the next dark age
ben_vulpes: so you've captured the value. bitcoin survives, and you benefit from its survival. so do other people, but when you advertise you also pay for people to learn about the solutionspace in general, including your competition.
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ben_vulpes: doesn't necessarily mean it's -ev to advertise, just that someone else is deriving value from your media buys as well.
ben_vulpes: there's an old thread around the shop: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank"
ben_vulpes: but then the money's not in the bank anymore!
trinque: ben_vulpes: at his next cartridge change, slip him one with something that knocks him out, and make sure that he wakes up at your hq
phf: i think v is pretty cool
ascii_field: phf: but, as i think has been well established, not money-cool.
phf: i don't know what that means, money's not cool, it's barelly adequate at purchasing cool (a highly debatable point)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field about the same that the us court system is worth.
ascii_field: money-cool means something that economically stands on its own
mircea_popescu: you can't sell it. if you keep it functioning well and in good shape, you can have an empire on the basis of it.
phf: nobody's going to pay for v, but i thought that v is a dna level building block in a construction process of something that's beyond "money-cool", or bezzle cool as that's really what you're talking about ("rent is due")
ascii_field: nobody's ever paying for trb either. not even on lsd.
mircea_popescu: you're approximately in the position of a 20something woman who wants to be part of the cast of friends but doesn't have the rent.
mircea_popescu: you can't be in this cast if you can't make rent. and no, wondering "What my youthfull good looks are worth" does not work with that show
ascii_field reads the pediwik in search of 'actual thing'
mircea_popescu: there was once a group of 20something chicks that lived in so and so apartments and did so and so deeds and things. their history became the controlling factor for an entire generation of english speakers, who went and got rachedo's and so on and so forth. part A of comparison.
mircea_popescu: there is today a group of people that do so and so with encryption and bitcoins and etc. their history will be the controlling factor for an entire generation [of mostly chinese and russian speakers], who'll go about calling themselves the MP of cmpany X, because ceo is uncool now. this is part B of comparison.
mircea_popescu: your notion that "oh, what is my participation in B's cool worth" is akin to the dumb polack chick in A going "what are my good looks worth, i can't make hollywood rent control"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu seems to think that i was looking for an answer other than the one i already derived.
ascii_field: i know full well that it is worth nothing.
mircea_popescu: you asked me. if you weren't looking for an answer, wh yask me ?
ascii_field: wanted to see if anyone, incl. mircea_popescu, might find an error in my reasoning.
ascii_field: e.g., do i contribute something in particular, or is it fungible like the 'good looks of a 20yo cunt'
trinque marvels at both the output of this guy and his assessment of it
mircea_popescu: neither of these approaches is actually meaningful, you're just murking up the material.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put the thing in more distant, and thus perhaps more comprehensible terms even if you'll likely not be able to resist the temptation to crush naisl with the microscope : "what is the value of rsa to kenyan ?" and "obviously all this 'crypto work' is general 20yo cunt good looks" to kenyan.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:02:01; mircea_popescu: this goalpost moving is giving me spots on the spleen.
mircea_popescu: if i cared what kenyans value anything i might ask them. as it is, they don't even get a voice in blockchain size.
ascii_field: anyway i know very well that mircea_popescu runs a roman army, where you gotta bringe the horse, and the armour, and not a soviet army.
ascii_field was not advocating the merits of soviet armies.
mircea_popescu: nothing, least of which me, keeps you from running your own hoisehold soviet army style or any other style.
ascii_field: my main project is cardano. which i would like to roll out before i get 'accidented', starve (which may happen quite soon), or exhaust the patience of my co-author or of the shareholders. and thus,
ascii_field: from this point on i will have to ignore everything else, until rollout.
☟︎ ascii_field: BUT if trb foundation really wants various things, it can make'em happen by... paying.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ima make myself some romanian style pickled cabbage!
ben_vulpes has been waiting for this particular old tomato for some time
mircea_popescu: eh, relax wouldja. do what you can and let others do what they can and that's the whole story.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's really the lot of it
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:19:33; ascii_field: what is 'v' worth ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i posted all of this to add another 'can' to the list: services for pay. if anyone is interested in such.
mircea_popescu: iirc they were disinclined from getting servers even, for yet
mircea_popescu: neway. voluntary is voluntary. has its upsides an' its downsided.
mircea_popescu: and as always is the case in life, if one doesn't manage to make one thing work, one'll sooner or later meet the same thing later on, with worse downside and less upside.
mircea_popescu: after all, soviet armies even are a thing because the reason prefers to sleep, or how was that quote.
ascii_field: again, not trying to troll people, but fact of the matter is that i only got so much 'voluntary'. and gotta prioritize.
ascii_field: 'cause if i starve, this cheats the shareholders.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone was really going "hey, alf is not doing enough works!" or anything ?
phf: ascii_field: you're producing the most output by a margin of anyone here
ascii_field: they're only in my head in the sense that i'm not clever enough to be 'stand on own' economically as described in mircea_popescu's article re: same.
ascii_field: gotta work, pretty much every day of the year.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i appreciate the sentiment, i really do, it's pure love "oh im sorry i couldn't do more". fine, but don't let it consume you.
mircea_popescu: do what you can, when you can, you got a lifetime ahead o you.
ascii_field: anyway my objective wasn't to 'emo' people - recall, i have two bits of emotion register.
ascii_field: but to state 'various xxxxx is now available for a fee, unless at some point i get rich enough to afford the armour without having to pull own plow.'
ascii_field: and no, i don't expect any takers. and don't intend to 'emo' the non-takers
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ascii_field: but it never made any sense how one could evict a 'tenant' on one of these.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:03:04; PeterL: mircea_popescu: there is no reason under the sun to process, manage, consider or in any way interact with subdollar transactions. << you are going to link min bet amounts to the USD/BTC price now? are you going to have the website show the "estimated $ amount" like the VC circus sites do?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:21:12; phf: ascii_field: that's the problem with a lot of lisp conversations here, your interlocutors have some vague idea about how things are done right now and in unix world. even unixisms are used not in their "pure form", but in their final gnu/linux state. there's complete lack of semantic match between that and historical lisp. ultimately debates are reduced to "macros are bad because cpp is bad"
ascii_field: ^ i think he was referring in general to judgements on ~the possible~ based on ~the extant~
mircea_popescu: but the spots on my spleen were because we can't seem to pin this down for five minutes.
mircea_popescu: actually, this is probably long overdue and a major public service. so i ordered teh gals bring cognac and i shall proceed
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Thing 1. We're trying to reduce bitcoind to a form where it's actually worth cutting trees to print it ;
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Thing 2. We're trying to create an actually statically linked, weaponized bitcoind that's suitable for the pogo.
mircea_popescu: Thing 3. We're trying to re-create a software management system that's based on sanity (=crypto). this mostly exists gratia alf & mod6 efforts, and it's called v.
phf: mircea_popescu: i was referring to those instances where it's ascii fielding objections from assorted people, not necessarily debates between you two
mircea_popescu: Thing 4. We're trying to create a proper (=crypto) communication system ; as part of this gpg was cut up and we're still barfing at the results. this is a huge task and if thee end product is reasonably well understood, the design's still widely open.
mircea_popescu: Thing 5. We're trying to create a sane os. This led to gentoo being cut open, libc being cut open, gcc being cut open, and we're still barfing at the results. I don't even want to think about it.
mircea_popescu: Thing 6. We're trying to create a sane computer (other than pogo). Part of this consideration is some in-principle fundamental research work into ternary to be maybe attached to Thing 3.
mircea_popescu: Thing 7. We're trying to create a pr core, which is roughly in the spot Thing 4 was a year ago, ie, when artifex got somehow married to it.
mircea_popescu: other than that there's other things (ie, a bitcoin game etc etc) but i got those.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mircea_popescu: yeah, succint like 82 life sentences to run concurrently.
mircea_popescu: and cardano is vaguely bolted into either 7 or 4. in fact the entire anthill got opened mostly through there.
mircea_popescu: basically far from ascii_field getting paid, i think the thing here is, s.nsa should be hiring.
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mircea_popescu: anjyway. while this... project is epicly delayed and way the fuck over budget, i am not particularly worried .
ascii_field: kakobrekla: 'Finlandia, Finlandia, sinne taas matkalla oli Iivana.'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: supposing for a moment that the notion was a serious one, who should we be hiring ?
ascii_field: so far, other than pieces of #3, and the whole of #7, it's all things that sit still except when i push'em.
mircea_popescu: well we can't hire mod6 mostly because if we do the foundation ends.
ascii_field: (7 is black magic and i won't even come near it)
mircea_popescu: iirc he also judges new stripper in a six county area.
mircea_popescu: maybe phf, but the dude's not even bothered to collect the pile of mushrooms he earned doing i don't recall what for eulora
jurov: qntra shares adistributed
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BingoBoingo: Foodstamp culture: "I saw an episode of Bridezillas that she wanted to use EBT for her wedding cake. Except it was her friends card and it was not a store she was getting it from it was a lady baking out of her house and the baker lady was going to buy the stuff for the cake and like $700 in groceries as her 'payment'. They all got fines, the baker got shut down and the friend lost her ability to receive stamps and I think lost cu
BingoBoingo: stody of her kids to their dad because she had the kids on her case but because she was filmed letting her friend use the card they said she was neglecting to 'use state resources alloted for her kids' on her kids, so they opened a case against her and the judge let the kids say who they wanted to be with and it was dad. "
BingoBoingo: So pete still working on a PR setup? How does their compensation work? One share per tard tear?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "with liquid cooling fluid bubbling over its brain" << if the coolant bubbles you got serious problems. it's not supposed to do that.
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ascii_field: iirc recently somebody opened a btc mine under f.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:06:20; ascii_field: PeterL: the notion of 'takes over' is broken
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:05:36; trinque: takes over what? who cares if some poor guy still has an iPhone?
ascii_field: linked site claims that the last known cray2 was not thrown out until '99.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:08:16; ascii_field: 'when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most -- there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual "winner", and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory.'
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "abundance makes lazy apes want to watch tv". guess what ? it doesn't have to! nobody forces you to misuse your freedom!
ascii_field: sure. then where did we get the retarded elite?
mircea_popescu: until and unless you come to terms with the simple fact that you're special, you'll be stuck trying to explain friends to me.
mircea_popescu: (not for maleducation. for poor sexual hygiene. fucking all the roadkill and such.)
ascii_field: don't have the thread handy, but at one point i explained how computing is tricky because its very existence as its current thing - that is, vlsi - is predicated on mass uptake
ascii_field: still is, until mircea_popescu or i figure out how to make 100 cpus.
mircea_popescu: well i can't find it. anyway, fucktarded outdoor thing in ba, "siempre se vuelve al primer amor" trying to sell italian classes. depicts an ugly chick in flats holding a huge red heart.
mircea_popescu: that stupid bitch didn't look like something dogs would fuck
mircea_popescu: stop fucking all the ugly inept women. that's how you get stunted kids.
ascii_field: hey a sack of potatoes with a hole augered in is prolly somebody's 1st luv
mircea_popescu: a matter that the top male of 1015 (ie, STRONG) fucked hotties and had good children. whereas the top male of 2015 (ie, SMART) fucks horsefaces and is happy for it.
mircea_popescu: that's the martians that put the chlorotic non-elites on earth.
ascii_field: (how else do you resolve the problem of there being 1000 takers to each)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field we can make 100 cpus TODAY, and on tech that didn't even exist in 1960.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in all srsnes i'd like to know how.
mircea_popescu: so no, the problem is not an absent "mass market". the problem is that there's work to be done for future uncertain benefit.
mircea_popescu: umd will let you tack on 100 cpus to some prototype run they got, won't it ?
ascii_field: they won't package or test or guarantee so much as 1 working unit.
mircea_popescu: and no, i wont bother the bitfury guy, or anyone actually involved in doing things with this inept nonsense. for the same reason i shouldn't have queried ben_vulpes yest.
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact, incontrovertible and above your ability to contest, that you can do 100 cpus, and it doesn'rt even cost that much.
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ascii_field: (show me where we can do a 486 or a dram of the time, for something like what the shared die folks charge.)
ascii_field: the base cost of doing any of it is only moving up.
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:27:26; mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
mircea_popescu: looky, if we miss the window to civilisation we'll have missed the window to civilisation, that's all.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:08:35; ascii_field: microshit's very existence has deformed thought processes of a great many people.
ascii_field: ftr it is my considered belief that if tmsr is sunk, it will be because it was unable to fab si.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't, personally, give a rats ass either way. if yes, sure. if not, whatever, i have no problems riding a horse.
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking "the enemy" ie some conclave of old fart's both daughters and occaisonally wife. always have.
ascii_field: you might be fucking the wives of his dead skin cells
mircea_popescu: i keep getting sucked into discussing science fiction movie scripts with this guy.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:20:06; *: ben_vulpes fails to find the logline wherein asciilifeform claims that common lisp packages "tend to work unlike in other languages"
ascii_field: the ones that don't reference items in the sea of c shit - work.
mircea_popescu: and once they become popular, they will BE the sea of lisp shit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the problem here is keeping the herd out of computing, nothing else.
ascii_field: it was actually an answer to the tower of babel which prevailed then.
mircea_popescu: and it continues to appear to work for as long as it fails to appear interesting.
mircea_popescu: because it has no mechanisms of institutionalized opression of the median.
ascii_field: but yes, the machines were expensive and the room temp iq folks were kept out.
mircea_popescu: so now you know why you must go stand on own, with one go.
ascii_field: what i meant was, what does it mean, 'with one go'
mircea_popescu: that in the same go, as you understand one, you understand the other. they being the exact same thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whty is the painter with ebola chick wearing high heeled platforms ?
mircea_popescu: same thing happens to me, i get various bits i end up keeping for a long time.
ascii_field: see also my observation about being dumber than a chicken.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i don't think it is 'emo' to question my priorities when, after giving away my work to apparent applause for a year, i mention starving and audience suggests 'web dev'
ascii_field: to me 'web dev' means 'work 17y.o. does' and is exactly equivalent to 'you are worth your weight in pork'
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is entirely besides the point. how you organise your own affairs is your own call. b-a is an equity play : you do things ; when and if they bring money in, you can have money ; when and if they bring chicks in, you can have chicks. that's how equity plays work : you get a claim to whatever future brings.
mircea_popescu: i understand that salaried work is both more common and more convenient, but i have personally no patience for salary types, and more importantly, there's no room in b-a for such, because it's not a fucking ewmpire, it's a republic,
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wasn't speaking of 'salary types'
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mircea_popescu: im either doing too many things at once or whatever. who ? link ? what ?
mircea_popescu: oh, i don't recall, 200 pesos for the labour or something it was
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 21:01:03; mircea_popescu: ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND
ascii_field: aha. fella did something that needed doing
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as he doesn't get to put his name on the thing.
ascii_field: but i thought mircea_popescu didn't care for those
mircea_popescu: which is why if he came to have a chat with me i'd have the girls send him off.
mircea_popescu: nor do i hire plumbers to do the code nor do i hire usian kids to do my plumbing.
mircea_popescu: you are stubbornly missing here that what you'd like the world to be does not matter one whit, and whatever way you dress that masturbation up doesn't change its masturbatory content.
mircea_popescu: it's either or, pick one or the other and enough with it already.
mircea_popescu: you don't want to do webwork, don't. do not expect any sort of actual pay.
ascii_field: this might be asking the mega-s33krit, but what kind of people ~does~ mircea_popescu use to, e.g., maintain mircea_popescucoin ?
mircea_popescu: you don't want to be in start-ups, don't. do not expect you get to open your mouth.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is, i think, accustomed to smashing idiots' skulls and instinctively reaches for the designated hammer. but i'm not an idiot and don't expect things.
mircea_popescu: most people live with a mix of the two, which is fine, pick a mix you like and stick to it.
ascii_field: but wanted to take a proper shit into the record
ascii_field: mainly i gotta live out the oath that i swore.
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assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:59:46; trinque: could very well be that the mechanism by which a central govt steals from a large population via fiat monetary systems got us the CPUs we use today far earlier than they'd have been had without the theft
mircea_popescu: the russians got steel plants faster with stalin then they'd have without.
☟︎ kakobrekla: doenst this apply to pretty much everything govt made
shinohai: vez eso? lo puedo hacer porque *ya he verifcado*
shinohai: If Cristina has done anything, she has proved to me that winblowze is never going to be the correct tool for anything related to gpg
mircea_popescu: this wasn't terribly controversial shinohai. howdja meet her anyway.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah. baltimore'd have never had such good crime without govt.