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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253471 << i know of a fella who was in gulf war I. his father looked down on him for not having suffered being taken prisoner in vietnam; his father's father looked down on the latter for not having been abused by north koreans in korean war captivity; and his uncle - for not having been in japanese prison camp in ww2. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 19:57:22; moonpunter: but vietnam was a real war in my book.
asciilifeform: *father's uncle
asciilifeform: !up moonpunter
moonpunter: ty
asciilifeform: moonpunter: what happened to your key ?
moonpunter: !up
asciilifeform: moonpunter: message assbot instead
moonpunter: did
moonpunter: sorry
moonpunter: no someone !downed me earlier
asciilifeform: moonpunter: well yes, it was so you could test getting yourself up again
asciilifeform: let's try that again
asciilifeform: !down moonpunter
asciilifeform: hm assbot down ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ?
asciilifeform: worx
kakobrekla: oddly enough i got last 3 lines before 'worx' in the same half a second
kakobrekla: mitm machines garbage collector at work
BingoBoingo: <moonpunter> no someone !downed me earlier << Exactly why I did it
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: appreciate, some monkey had to write them packetz down
asciilifeform: with goose pen.
kakobrekla: id hope.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253567 >>> guess what, turns out one ~can~ still get these! even in usa! but not in the shop. look on www for 'MN1203' - which is apparently what they are called now. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 21:16:31; mircea_popescu: tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
asciilifeform: ruinously expensive.
asciilifeform: but can be had...
asciilifeform: also, apparently, called 3LR12.
asciilifeform: for american folks who've never seen one, it can be found on the far left-hand side of this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_battery#/media/File:Batteries_comparison_4,5_D_C_AA_AAA_AAAA_A23_9V_CR2032_LR44_matchstick-1.jpeg
assbot: Lantern battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYtwRd )
mircea_popescu: didja manage yet moonpunter ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed they know how to be poor but happy. it works through being mentally retarded. they'd be equally happy if they were rich. they'd also be equally poor even if they were rich.
mircea_popescu: in fact they WERE once rich.
mircea_popescu: !up moonpunter
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell you honestly, if i actually had to run a retarded linux thing for each of these i'd strongly consider just giving up.
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253717 << fair enough... though this reaction of mine is likely related to the fact that I was once fired from a school district while subbing because a student reported that I called her an "idiot" - wasn't true; I was speaking of the classroom behavior as a whole, but mattered not to the spineless principle nor to my "mentor" (I was sub for him) - this was with 10 days to ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 22:58:18; mircea_popescu: <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
kakobrekla: that 4.5v - most often used in a handheld flash light here. some armies had those too afaik.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure i saw the thing attached to miner's helmet
kakobrekla: http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjhmEL )
kakobrekla had a few such lamps
kakobrekla: some predated me by many years.
mircea_popescu: aha. me 2.
mircea_popescu: btw, what time does sean connery show up at wimbledon ?
kakobrekla: now you get hand held led lamps with instruction sets. literally you can upload your own firmware on it.
mats: the ninjashogun ratings are hilarious
kakobrekla: fuckin hell.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQJeY2bVws << "the problem with your brother / is that he's always fucking your mother..."
assbot: Pulp Razzamatazz - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuRHy )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/of-alf-interest.png << natural things that just happen. naturally.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYuXii )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1253815 << pretty sure the reich had those, even. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 00:34:50; kakobrekla: http://www.goarmy.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/9/C91C602C02335E09A4D70CFE057E226B.jpg
kakobrekla: quite possibly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! somehow i thought half-arsed ddos was 'the new normal' over there
asciilifeform: and not just a sometimes-thursdays-thing
mircea_popescu: so it is. has been. but occasionally extra-lulzy.
asciilifeform: who knew k0smik rayz could http GET.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the notable thing about those 'flat batteries' (what we called'em) was not where they were used, but the kid-friendliness (in the old sense of educative danger, rather than 'safety') - you could wrap wires around the terminals directly, even short'em across various objects to learn what happens
mircea_popescu: or extract the manganese oxide
mircea_popescu: with a hammer.
asciilifeform: two or three of those, some wire, a glass of water, and you learn about gasses
asciilifeform: or hammer
asciilifeform: or, or, or.
mircea_popescu: (and we called them "baterii patrate" = square batteries)
mircea_popescu: and yes it was a major store of kid-value.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: плоская батарейка
asciilifeform: ('flat batt')
mircea_popescu: ploska ahahaha
asciilifeform: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%8F_3R12#/media/File:Baterija_3336_USSR.jpg
assbot: Батарея 3R12 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYvfpp )
asciilifeform: ^ right out of my brain
mircea_popescu: word (in romanian) used to mean "drinking vessel carried on the person', in 1800.
mircea_popescu: then it moved to mean enema bag / pee implement under bed for sick people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be a плошка
asciilifeform: (drinking vessel, that is)
kakobrekla: ploska, yeah here we say 'ploščata' even
mircea_popescu: certainly no sh in ro
asciilifeform: the battery was a thing in su since 1950s
asciilifeform: you could make a simple flashlight just from the battery, a lamp, and bit of electrician's tape.
asciilifeform: try that with 'round'.
asciilifeform: interestingly, in the '90s there was a shortage, and plastic pieces of shit where you could stuff 3 'aa'-style cells were sold. as substitute.
asciilifeform had one
mircea_popescu had girl make herself shocking device out of mono copper cable, duct tape and a dozen 1.5 volters. FOR PUNISHMENT
williamdunne: For a good laugh, a socialist using words they don't understand. Particular lols around bogeymanning options contracts; www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mxebi_the-super-rich-and-us-episode-2_tv
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! in vietnam, it is said, bamboo tube would be filled with 1.5v cells (often given up for dead by americans)
asciilifeform: and could run just about whatever (to a point. internal resistance of the cells eventually catches up with you)
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: could certainly run an electrically detonated detonator.
asciilifeform: absolutely.
asciilifeform: or radio set, even.
mircea_popescu: or interrogation kit.
mircea_popescu: (bamboo is evil as is. but with added weighht... gfl!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interrogators were - and afaik still are - old field-telephones, hand-cranked
asciilifeform: and yes, can whack with the stick.
mircea_popescu: kinetic not electric rocess.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i dun think the dailymotion demo is expected to comfortably arithmetic in head.
williamdunne: Its from a BBC show, even worse
kakobrekla: > but the kid-friendliness < shit, perhaps a mit student could actually successfully wire a lamp to it
asciilifeform: was gonna say.
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/xTRrtPor3aht0hkx5tjliYQy_500.gif << lulzy.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjnay5 )
asciilifeform: !s autosaurus
assbot: 3 results for 'autosaurus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=autosaurus
mircea_popescu: and ima leave this here for nubsy. http://36.media.tumblr.com/2m8BXUfri9v6cgimXBzz5fwG_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MYwDIL )
mircea_popescu: i know its true because i readit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc this is still Official Truth in usgdom
asciilifeform: at least when i was a schoolboy it was.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it is, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there's going to be a Fatman superhero before the fall.
asciilifeform: makes use of sumo ?
mircea_popescu: well those never made any sense.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv9rziploEl3x93AX_1280.jpg << anyone know who this is btw ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpchD )
mircea_popescu: hint : he's a tatar.
mats: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/britishborn-isis-hacker-killed-us-drone-strike-in-syria-kills-junaid-hussain-10474007.html
assbot: Junaid Hussain: British-born Isis hacker killed following US drone strike in Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjpqFx )
asciilifeform: mats: l0l re: the fella aiming with one eye
asciilifeform: who actually does this.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "currently compromise a bit more than 50%" << comprise ?
mircea_popescu: and ftr, the notion that pools "represent" hashrate is rank nonsense.
BingoBoingo: no, intended that way
mircea_popescu: ah lol.
mircea_popescu: both objectionswithdrawn in a major explosion of lols.
BingoBoingo: because does not represent hashrate, merely authors blocks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform EVERYONE.
asciilifeform: no?
mircea_popescu: i think it must have been in an old tv movie or something.
mircea_popescu: watch 'em.
asciilifeform: no shit, in movies yes
asciilifeform: but in life.
asciilifeform: where you actually have a rifle.
asciilifeform: the kind that shoots
mircea_popescu: the people in life are people from movies, ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: not people from life.
asciilifeform: !b 10 ✂︎
assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06PVCEF.txt )
mats: asciilifeform: its not recommended, but you only rly need one eye to line up front and rear sightpost on target
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mats: some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim
mircea_popescu: human visual depth perception is so fucking terrible, if you're going to fire cable guided missiles you're better off placing two teams a mile apart and having team A guide missiles fired from B and vice-versa
mircea_popescu: it then makes sense to close one eye on top of it.
mats: never experienced it, so cannot verify
asciilifeform: at dusk,
asciilifeform: 2 eyes, 2x the light
asciilifeform: (this is not subjectively obvious, on account of strange quirks of wetware)
BingoBoingo: <mats> some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim << solution is hand yeilds to eye dominance. If left eye dominant shoot left handed.
mircea_popescu: there are known and amply documented cases of mechanical sight misalignment that can't be detected with one eye
asciilifeform: ^ and this
asciilifeform: plus there are other things for which one might like a second eye
asciilifeform: e.g., enemy in corner of field of vision
BingoBoingo: ^
mats: BingoBoingo: yeah. but then you run into instances where your weapon is designed to eject shells as though operator is right-handed, and then you catch third degree burns
mircea_popescu: what sort of fucking gun is not adjustable by now
BingoBoingo: mats: Then you either make sure the rifle was sane ahead of time or fuck the rifle
mircea_popescu: srsly firing nagants ?
mats: m4 series
asciilifeform: i don't know of any modern rifle which has 2 ejector holes
mats: how luxurious
BingoBoingo: Or at least different plates available
asciilifeform: for folks with some money, there are craftsmen who will make oddities like this
BingoBoingo: Or if rifle is popular should be off the shelf commercial parts
mircea_popescu: mats you sure about that ?!
mircea_popescu: seems mindboggling to me.
mircea_popescu: at least a deflector, something.
asciilifeform whenever thinking of left-handers-in-the-army, always recalls the medieval spiral staircases which assumed that nobody with a sword will ever be left-handed
mats: deflectors are a thing, but i've never seen a joe carry one for his personal weapon
mats: commonly issued for crew-served and squad assault weapons
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mats: i vaguely remember reading a field manual (M2?) where it is possible to adjust which side spits out the rounds but don't recall details, if moonpunter figures out gpg maybe he can tell me
BingoBoingo: !up moonpunter
BingoBoingo: moonpunter which part of the process is giving you issues?
moonpunter: after i tell assbot to !up me i get a file to decrypt
moonpunter: dunno what to do with the output i guess
BingoBoingo: And you decrypt the file then tell assbot !v yourstringhere
moonpunter: the whole string
BingoBoingo: yes
BingoBoingo: !down moonpunter
moonpunter: vroom vroom
moonpunter: M2 tank?
moonpunter: m1
mats: ma deuce
moonpunter: i trained on us weapons and when i got to the real army i was attached to a mortar platoon, but i only ever dropped one mortar myself, which was pretty awesome
moonpunter: we had humvees and mraps, cavalry is pretty lazy shit comparitvely
moonpunter: i don't know about any artillery or most of the vehicles; i did maintain my humvee and i was the only truck in the platoon to never break down b/c i didn't mind annoying the mechanics
mats: mos?
moonpunter: 11b, infantry
moonpunter: re-enlisted to go 25d but got a medical discharge before i ever went to school. they let me keep the bonus anyway.
moonpunter: 25c or d, don't remember. radios. you'll never convince me to wrok in a military IT department.
moonpunter: (25b)
mats: what broke
mats: knees?
moonpunter: lower back and brain i guess
moonpunter: wasn't my call.
moonpunter: in fact on tuesday i had my final interview with the TDRL, they're moving me to permanent. oh well.
moonpunter: "have you been arrested more than 5 times since discharge" etc
kakobrekla: 5 times ??
moonpunter: i've been arrested more than 10 times since discharge
moonpunter: i actually have lost count, but three times last year by the same local dick.
kakobrekla: perhaps arrested means something else that i think it means.
moonpunter: it means going in the back of a car to jail
moonpunter: usually it means paying some money to get out
kakobrekla: oh, i was right then.
moonpunter: sometimes they let you out on your own recognition that you are a drunk asshole
kakobrekla: what the fuck are you doing ?
moonpunter: the first time i pissed that cop off i was just telling off this lady that was rude to my wife. i live in a tourist town and we were downtown.
trinque: what part of the country, if I may ask?
kakobrekla: and you was arrested for that wtf
kakobrekla: did you tell her with a gun or something?
moonpunter: no
moonpunter: that's what i don't get
moonpunter: my only felony was for telling someone to get off my driveway
moonpunter: basically
moonpunter: if you're drunk you're wrong. that's why i've all but quit drinking for the most part.
kakobrekla: some crazy stuff
moonpunter: i dunno. i've been a good boy since last year. got too many reasons now. new baby tomorrow morning. 8am delivery.
BingoBoingo: moonpunter: You see my alleged misdemeanor case is being strung out for years because drunk is not wrong. Also prosecutor and police suck at this whole trying misdemeanor cases business.
moonpunter: the justice system is retarded in general.
BingoBoingo: Most things are retarded
moonpunter: cops don't even know what laws they're enforcing, most of them act on emotion, professionalism lacking, institutional racism, extortionist tactics at the jail - $3.00 per minute for a phone call in 2014
trinque: I know in certain places in Texas it's rather easy to get arrested for looking the wrong way, or being drunk in the wrong place.
trinque: and admittedly as a white male, it doesn't apply to me much there.
trinque: dallas in particular is rough.
moonpunter: i've been through there dozens of times, right, on greyhound several, and everytime i've been to that greyhound station there's been an ambulance and a herd of cops. every time.
moonpunter: mostly i just stay home nowadays. graced with virtual office type work. now and then i think about getting one of these cheap office spaces in town, but i'm fine living in my slippers and gym shorts.
BingoBoingo: My personal standard for whether something should be a crime or not is Missouri's statewide ban on prosecution for merely being drunk in public. Missouri is more Texas than Texas in this regard.
moonpunter: here in Arkansas if you have money you're basically a protected class. my previous landlord is getting away with theft and extortion on a weekly basis. he fucked up when he harassed my wife via text, she's going to sue, the cops said that would be the best way to deal with it.
moonpunter: i mean we're not broke
moonpunter: but we don't own a bunch of property
BingoBoingo: Well, in most rural places it isn't just the money. It's whether you're the sort who should have money or not.
moonpunter: i think the law should be blind to all existential things and apply to human action. if you harm another person in someway, violate their inalienable rights, that should be criminal, no matter who you are.
moonpunter: good point, that
moonpunter: "can i see some ID"
trinque: can't really talk in terms of rights without some theory on how they'd be enforced
trinque: I'm skeptical
trinque: I certainly *personally* agree that there are frivolous reasons to judge a person.
trinque: now, try enforcing that generally
trinque: looks a lot like this glorious land of freedom we've got
trinque: only recourse you have is to associate with sane individuals.
moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die. ☟︎
moonpunter: trinque: agreed
trinque: again, you're allowed what circumstances permit, and nothing more
mircea_popescu: more like "you're allowed to defend yourself on your own property and that's it".
kakobrekla: here not even that.
mircea_popescu: simple enough to enforce. was the victim on the shooter's property ? fuck the victim, should buy more property next time.
trinque: indeed
kakobrekla: here i can not touch a burglar.
mircea_popescu: i thought beating up burglar is traditional there too ?
moonpunter: thoreau wrote in depth about the value of the commons. i tend to defer to him. in mass. they say you have to call the cops before you can even think about defending yourself, even if the person is in your home.
mircea_popescu does not live in mass.
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kakobrekla: nope and its a real pain. i know of a (a bit special) case where landlord can not get the lodger out. not legally. even if he doesnt pay.
kakobrekla: can not turn off elect or water, not legal.
mircea_popescu: ...
kakobrekla: yeap
mircea_popescu: nice socialist paradise you goit going somehow ?
kakobrekla: yup
trinque: "renter's rights"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, at the l0lphactory,
trinque: they've got all kinds of that here
asciilifeform: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/advice-to-a-young-social-scientist
assbot: Advice to a young social scientist | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmYiwT )
kakobrekla: can give more details later, off for now.
kakobrekla: trinque not renter per se but 'human'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that the eu is any better than the us is lulzy.
trinque: yeah, I've heard of the squatting thing too
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same shithole.
trinque: here
mircea_popescu: except one's with languages.
trinque: and um, nordic, something. I hear it's good.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's great.
moonpunter: i signed a contract with the landlord, he violated it in several ways and attempted to violate it in more. he was disappointed when he figured out i didn't need his apartment, and most definitely stole some of my property left there before the move-out date, then lied to police about it. we don't need anymore laws protecting landlords where i live.
mircea_popescu: and btw, the us gdp went up to 3 something while we were talking.
asciilifeform: great 'while supplies last' (tm)
mircea_popescu: was 2 something.
mircea_popescu: how exactly they figure this washes is anyone's guess by this point. what growth ? the us has been contracting since 1995
kakobrekla: in theory here you can go to a supermarket or a hotel or whatever, sit down in the middle and 'claim your space'.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> was 2 something <<< the unit being barrels of dried tobacco, or what
asciilifeform: 'hog's head'
kakobrekla: it will take a bunch of time and layerpower to get out out.
trinque: the financial "news" lately has been chock-full of lol
kakobrekla: you out*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sounds like slovenia would do a lot better with more beatings.
trinque: and it's telling how on-message the various supposedly distinct news outlets are
mircea_popescu would fucking love to see this.
kakobrekla: this is not limited to slovenia as far as i know.
trinque: dow starts to plummet, suddenly oh, gdp's not so bad
trinque: we forgot to carry the 1!
mircea_popescu: romanian tradition of beating the shit of the burglar before calling police was still strong last i saw.
mircea_popescu: historically, if you're too lousy to do it yourself the police hold him down and then check if you want to prosecute.
trinque: some states here have a requirement that you attempt retreat first
mircea_popescu: pretty sure serbia/ukraina are the same way
trinque: so you can get shot in the back
mircea_popescu: trinque the notion of not shooting an armed person is still very foreign to me. if you got a gun and i got a gun i AM killing you and then we can figure it out.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, as i went to texas, they were just having a celebration in the little town, mayor was giving an old woman some award
trinque: right, once weapons are involved, wtf are you supposed to do?
trinque: or hell, just because the person entered the house. that's a threat.
mircea_popescu: for she was in a diner and a guy tried to rob it, so the old woman got out a colt and blew the would-be robber's brain all over the wall
trinque: good on her
mircea_popescu: trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in. ☟︎
trinque: sure, I've been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out
trinque: but.. with 9mm in hand
trinque: could be whoever
mircea_popescu agrees with idea asciilifeform's linked article, still thinks very little of scott locklin.
asciilifeform: didn't scott piss in mircea_popescu's tea once, or what was it.
asciilifeform: gotta be a reason.
mircea_popescu: i don't remember what exact "bitcoin jesus" nonsense he had in his schedule, but i do recall i made the judgement the person can not possibly be intellectually respectable.
asciilifeform: aha i recall. somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) wrote to him re: bitcoin, and he answered 'fuck off, bitcoin's a pyramid' or something to that effect
mircea_popescu: actually iirc HE wrote to me, and i told him to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: !up roasbeef
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: i guess this is to be dug up now.
asciilifeform digs ancient nodes
asciilifeform: notes
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: i read scott's stuff for some years, back when he wrote under pseudonym
mircea_popescu: "This is much too far from an apology for your previous episode to count. Try again."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/#selection-229.46-229.131
assbot: How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRUbgH )
asciilifeform: had some nifty stuff, mainly re: technological decline
asciilifeform: and the demise of physics as an organized discipline
mircea_popescu: guy failed to respond to challenge, got shitlisted.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
asciilifeform: (locklin was a disgruntled physics student)
mircea_popescu: you'd think this sort of thing would be obvious to adult males.
mircea_popescu: somehow, in anglo culture, it is not.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
asciilifeform: some folks just go away
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: into the pot they go away.
mircea_popescu: or what, you meant "they go away into a merry-merrry land where they lhea" ?
asciilifeform: into somewhere, by definition unknown
asciilifeform: could be - the pot
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned...
mircea_popescu: but, that aside. the logical next step, after learning arithmetics, from a "i'd rather not be robbed blind by everyone i meet" is learning statistics.
asciilifeform: trinque: ... been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out << i've lived in a 'burglary' street since last may - good share of the houses featured in city hall's 'crime map.' but for some reason nobody ever 'checked' my door
mircea_popescu: and this very specifically means learning to avoid the numerous "learn statistics nao!" scamtraps, from bayesian bullshit to what have you.
trinque: I have bums on the porch here all the goddamn time
trinque: got a bike stolen a while back ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how to annoy large dogs : while dog is in front and you're sitting in back seat, wait for it to stick its muzzle through the headrest, at which point put a strip of bacon flush on it. hide it once he withdraws. repeat.
trinque: heh
mircea_popescu: this psa brought to you by the pussycat association of cattycorner, wiltshire.
phf: ;;later tell pete_dushenski congratulations!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: 'v' now checks sigs correctly...
asciilifeform: 'I have often heard learned psychology department dunderheads stating what the result of their paper will be, and instructing their underlings to mine the data for p-values. I suppose they may have thought themselves speaking over the heads of the rabble, since nobody else from their department was visible. Mind you, they did this in a public place, in a town which is filled to the nostrils with people with training in rigorou
asciilifeform: s subjects, like, you know, me, the buxom Russian girl reading Dirac in the corner, the options trader eating a sandwich, and the girl pouring the coffee, who is studying mathematics. This indicates to me that such people are so abysmally stupid and unaware of their own deficiencies, they couldn’t achieve a scientific result if they actually tried to do so. Have a click on this link for the UCB psychology department: at lea
asciilifeform: st two people on this list are complete scientific frauds. Probably, most of them are.'
asciilifeform: (locklin)
asciilifeform: 'Should I ever strike it rich enough to endow a foundation, I would pay legions of trained statisticians to go through the literature and eviscerate the mountains of bad “research” and arrive at the truth. If Universities were interested in advancing human knowledge, rather than circle jerks with a football team, they’d fund entire departments of people who do nothing but this.'
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mircea_popescu: ftr, actual psychology also happens.
mircea_popescu: much like actual programming except moreso.
mircea_popescu: and this reads lots like "if i had money and brains i'd try to be alf and fix computing"
asciilifeform: computing's easier
deedbot-: [Qntra] Surviving a Transaction Flood - http://qntra.net/2015/08/surviving-a-transaction-flood/
mircea_popescu: notrly. computing actually has to do something.
mircea_popescu: a perfectly acceptable result of psychology, like of all scholarship, is "i have nfi"
asciilifeform: i meant, easier in terms of resource.
asciilifeform: i don't need a legion of anybody.
asciilifeform: just food, roof, a bit of mains current.
mircea_popescu: i didn't need a legion of anybody either. http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )
asciilifeform: but you do. of legionaries. to impale the pseudoscientists.
asciilifeform: (they don't, typically, have the decency to impale themselves)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you, also cpp is blockquoted
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should i also impale the ugly/stupid women ? on my own dime ? what else ?
asciilifeform: i mean, in the hypothetical scenario of 'cleaning the discipline'
mircea_popescu: so in this perspective chemistry is only clean of alchemists because time offed them ?
mircea_popescu: not because they're simply ignored ?
asciilifeform: the phase transition is interesting in that there is a great interval where chemists, alchemists - coexist
asciilifeform: (best defined as states of mind rather than the particulars of physical manipulations, which tend to be superficially very similar - and often enough, exactly identical)
mircea_popescu: but this "coexistence" is a purely anthropological consideration.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, as the MD i'm not actually, the bizarro notions re "add" and whatnot inthe dsm make exactly 0 difference.
asciilifeform: good example of discipline where 'alchemy' predominates
mircea_popescu: yes, they matter for the bureaucrats who'd like to pass for mds, and which are presented as such by the state much like the guy in a white coat is presented as "a scientist" by advertising execs
mircea_popescu: but...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'girding you node infrastructure' -> 'girding your node infrastructure' ?
mircea_popescu: !up eric
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty fixed ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, Π(∀n) broke past 1GB
asciilifeform: (an event of no practical consequence whatsoever)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu suspects that we're actually the only ones to have the P
mircea_popescu: but hey, we're also the only ones to want to have the P, because everyone else just needs summaries and narratives.
asciilifeform zcat /var/log/........../access* | grep "prod.txt"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you believe.
asciilifeform: buncha folks!
asciilifeform: who they are - i've no idea.
asciilifeform: half a dozen or so complete fetches.
mircea_popescu: o hey, not bad.
mircea_popescu: sometimes /me is happy to be contradicted by events
BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: good news, you don't yet have to figure out 'v'
asciilifeform: (i have not yet released it)
BingoBoingo: Ah, that is good news.
asciilifeform: gotta make damn sure that it behaves. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, notion of wot in 'v' is a dir full of pubkeys
asciilifeform: none of that 'import' and 'retrieve' idiocy
asciilifeform: get the files. place in dir.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: very much exactly this. there's a line from me somewhere in log going "all i want to figure out is what keys"
asciilifeform: patches live in another dir.
asciilifeform: sigs - another.
asciilifeform: this forms a 'v' workingset.
asciilifeform: i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/#comment-46931 << Replying to our Nigerian Prince
assbot: Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXjJu )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think so fart you just might.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later. << I though this is what danielpbarron does
asciilifeform: thing does exactly three basic kinds of thing - verifies sigs; determines what subcoagulations of spittle in the spittoon are in fact in single strands; and permits operator to select individual strands, and cut'em (by whatever criteria, including signatories or combinations thereof) ☟︎
asciilifeform: selections produce a buildable tree.
asciilifeform: which corresponds to a particular set of leaf nodes in the dependencyflowgraph.
mircea_popescu: so nice
asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree. ☟︎
asciilifeform: at any rate, it'll be a handy thing for folks such as hanbot.
asciilifeform: (in the sense of, people who are not writing these, but desire to make some sense of what has been written.)
asciilifeform: i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs
asciilifeform: but it still remains to me, to put human knobs on it.
asciilifeform: so far it is ~one page, of 'python' prog. lang., if anyone has something else they would like to see it in, write to me
trinque: really illustrates your "fits in head"
phf: mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two. not that are you necessarily limited to a single task at a time, you can load a tsr to perform a handful of auxiliary task, like notes or calculator or whatever. i think that's how "widgets" were implemented in apple's system
phf: 1 through 4
asciilifeform: trinque: this is not accidental.
trinque: certainly not!
trinque: I am merely observing it.
asciilifeform: phf: hp200lx dos machine does astonishing things with tsr
trinque: git for example, sure, has a tree in it, which is to say the monstrously large pile of git concepts has a sort of tree-like structure in it, among myriad other things
asciilifeform did not feel like 'truly knows how to program pc' until he wrote first tsr, as a boy
asciilifeform: it did nothing of great enduring value
phf: tsr is right of passage :)
asciilifeform: trinque: importantly, 'v' is stateless other than the three directories spoken of earlier.
asciilifeform: and, notably, never alters them
asciilifeform: it can produce output, which one might at some point sign and place in 'patches' and 'sigs' respectively.
asciilifeform: or, in the case of flow graph, examine visually.
asciilifeform: or, when producing a buildable tree - build.
asciilifeform: but never affects own inputs directly.
trinque: mhm, functional
trinque: it's quite a thing; I've worked under guys that demanded minimalism and it didn't hold a candle to this.
trinque: shows it's not just minimalism that's to be sought, but precisely the right fit of concepts.
asciilifeform: <phf> mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program
asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality' ☟︎
phf: same for console development
asciilifeform: in general, whenever one is programming for ~a whole machine~
asciilifeform: phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'
asciilifeform: (a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)
phf: i think the idea makes sense for development in general, i mean "full stack" crowd approximates it by running a vm with the stack
asciilifeform: this, as i understand, is done largely out of desperation
asciilifeform: (in the logs one can learn that i suggested it to therealbitcoin folks)
phf: keep shit in dedicated buckets, poor it from one into another
trinque: ahemahemdocker
trinque: latest incarnation of this
trinque: you've got a giant wad of incomprehensible shit, so at least if you snapshot the turd at various life-stages you can return to one when you've screwed up everything
trinque: that said I did target qemu for my gentoo builder, just to have a defined target at all
mircea_popescu: <trinque> really illustrates your "fits in head" << i've seen his codework before and was very pleasantly impressed.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/RevA6qlp28angte7mrprEnWq_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDEhs9 )
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254018 << the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at, the state hates cops getting shot at, and generally anyone with the stones to make an effort to rack up up a body count on their way out stands an even chance of not even having to go out ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:14:58; moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.
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thestringpuller: https://www.zapchain.com/a/mXy1NF0e6T << this chick....
punkman: needs moar javascript
phf: "As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic."
thestringpuller: phf: does she really say that in the video?
thestringpuller: who rips off kill bill these days...
phf: no, but would be appropriate given the prose style
thestringpuller: qntra will stomp CoinTelgraph and CoinDesk in the nuts when the time comes
phf: qntra should hire a buxom lady with an ill fitting shawl for cto then
trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like ☟︎
punkman: "College campuses on gun lockdowns today: Mississippi State, Texas Southern, Savannah State."
trinque: somebody have a manifesto to promote?
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNWKt5CXAAARR2v.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ8x8a )
thestringpuller: phf: hanbot already writes for qntra
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/ << BingoBoingo article is getting transaction.
punkman: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/08/27/when-prisons-need-to-be-more-like-nursing-homes
assbot: When Prisons Need to Be More Like Nursing Homes | The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnee2b )
ben_vulpes muses on the notion of hanbot wearing something ill-fitting
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254179 << asciilifeform, breaking the tradition of bitcoin crapware and now the b-a 'test in production only' deployment philosophy! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 03:07:13; asciilifeform: gotta make damn sure that it behaves.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: funny story you may enjoy.
thestringpuller: So at work I'm migrating a web property from an agency to my company's control. So I have 3 environments: dev, staging, production.
ben_vulpes: what's dev other than your laptop?
ben_vulpes: nm carry on
thestringpuller: The code is so poor it works differently on all three environments, so the only way to truly know if it works is to test on production.
thestringpuller: how you write code this poorly configured, I do not know.
ben_vulpes: "suit up kid. we're putting your laptop into production."
thestringpuller: p. much.
thestringpuller: it's like some college dropout went through github and chose every web technology that seemed "fun" at the time regarding php.
ben_vulpes can't imagine 'phun php'
ben_vulpes recently broke control blocks a in php
ben_vulpes: across html tags*
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254197 << slick. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 03:14:58; asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller i'm bidding on a coffee script + mongodb + mongoose + nodejs + angular rescue project
ben_vulpes: weep for me
BingoBoingo: Who would have though, building trees leaf first
phf: we had this girl in the country house area, who every summer would be into the most pop thing of the time. we'd play a game, end of may when you get there, ask her if she's into whatever trashy thing at the time, "oooh, i love it how did you know". can do same with full stack developers by scanning hackernews frontpage
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: when you say rescue project...you mean rescue them from those technologies right?
ben_vulpes: bulk of the project is a mongo -> postgresql conversion
ben_vulpes: trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off
thestringpuller: i miss using postgresql. but it's overkill for wordpress.
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/nazi-gold-train-poland-asks-treasure-hunters-stop-search
assbot: 'Nazi gold train': Poland asks treasure hunters to stop search | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnftOP )
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punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/briton-scott-stammers-pleads-guilty-to-north-korean-drug-smuggling-plot
assbot: Briton Scott Stammers pleads guilty to North Korean drug smuggling plot | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jng9Un )
punkman: "Preet Bharara thanked authorities in Liberia, Romania and Thailand for assisting with the US investigation."
punkman: "dangerously pure North Korean methamphetamines" << such advertising
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W87DJA.txt )
punkman: are the rednecks painting their meth blue yet?
punkman: and the answer is yes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469736/Cops-bust-dealers-40lbs-BLUE-meth--just-like-Walter-Whites-famous-formula-Breaking-Bad.html
assbot: Cops bust dealers with 40lbs of BLUE meth - just like Walter White's famous formula on Breaking Bad | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jngjeq )
punkman: "Top Judge Becomes Greece's First Female Prime Minister" << progress!
punkman: “We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said. “It’s on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great again.”
punkman: hope Gavin doesn't read this and buys a hat
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trinque: ben_vulpes | trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off << heh, perhaps next it becomes "how do I derive a bunch of CLOS classes and instances from all this relational data?"
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> [...] << the whole thing's a small nudge << http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? "Toni Lane Casserly, LLC" ?
mircea_popescu: stupid bitch's not even got the basics of 4chan down, what " Thought Leader & Advisor: Bitcoin and Block chain Technolgies"
davout: BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/
mircea_popescu: "Finding new ways to treat the growing pool of older, ailing inmates." heh.
mircea_popescu: "oh life in prison is such a win for the government!" "reheheheally ? eeenjoy."
mircea_popescu: " It's part of the audit process, it's part of the intelligence phase that is part of being part of a national organization."
mircea_popescu: partly apart!
mircea_popescu: “Being able to hear an alarm, being able to drop to the ground if you’re ordered to do so, those are prison activities of daily living that if you can’t do, you can get in a lot of trouble,”
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha. in what lalaland is this going on. fuck you, you want it done, do it yourself. you're here to work for me, that's why you get paid. i don't get paid to be here. logic 101.
mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck exports meth. what retardation is this.
mircea_popescu: meth is locally manufactured like central heating is locally manufactured.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> “We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said <<< a woman admits america now sucks ? such.
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mircea_popescu: “Stammers’ scheme ended not with the North Korean methamphetamine flooding American streets as he had intended, but rather with a guilty plea in a Manhattan federal court,” Bharara said in a statement. << "we got another five retards to confess to imaginary crimes we dreamed up ; they will cost the state 100k a year for the next 10 years up to as long as they live. and i expect to get a bonus", some dumbass india
mircea_popescu: n that's there to leech the system for all it's got said in a statement.
mircea_popescu: how exactly is this derp different from asciilifeform's dr x ?
mircea_popescu: same fucking thing, to the dot.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, everyone who ever thought about it stockpiles drugs in the phillipines, because hey, support infrastructure is cvasi-absent owing to the lazy ineptitude of the locals, and they got capital punishment for it too. not like you could fucking make it in mexico and ship it across the border, owing to the fact that
mircea_popescu: eh why do i even bother
mircea_popescu: the difference between the usg and reddit is vanishingly slim
mircea_popescu: not like if they absolutely had to move korean meth for some fucking reason they'd move it into russian siberia like sane fucking people.
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cazalla: ;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
cazalla: ;;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254078 <<< why not? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:30:20; mircea_popescu: trinque i dun think i'd shoot random derp walking in.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254118 <<< nigga stole my bike much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLfgln6hn4 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 02:38:08; trinque: got a bike stolen a while back
assbot: Nigga stole my bike - Best Collection - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFF1g2 )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.0007116 = 3.0243 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well! ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 04:59:12; trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like
punkman: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/who-hacked-ashley-madison/comment-page-5/#comment-391913 lol
assbot: Who Hacked Ashley Madison? — Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtM5Y )
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cazalla: welcome to melbourne, australia - http://i.imgur.com/2AEytMF.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRXmAy )
fluffypony: cazalla: what's a "borer force", someone who likes drilling holes?
cazalla: fluffypony, the coppers were planning to go around asking people "papers, please" and this lot of degens put a stop to it lol
fluffypony: cazalla: check the placard on the right of the picture, protesters can't spell :)
cazalla: so border force as in protect the borders, can only come in if buying vastly inflated real estate okay?
cazalla: and police can't police
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Adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1YH6799.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KecP3B )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
Adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1HG8VKY.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kedl1v )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
Adlai: !down Adlai
asciilifeform takes off hat.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.
asciilifeform: (maintain terror among the white tax base)
asciilifeform: and must remember that orcs (the more unhinged, for this purpose, the better) keep up real estate bubble by fact of their mere existence.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 07:03:34; mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.
cazalla: asciilifeform, fwiw, it is the gnomes that use flying machines, not so much orcs.. "i've got a flying machine!"
asciilifeform: l0l!!
asciilifeform: and yes, applies in this case.
asciilifeform flashbacks to wc2
cazalla: anyway first decimation, now adlai, but how does a neg from mp preclude anyone from remaining in the channel? ☟︎
asciilifeform: adlai wasn't even -1'd
asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating ☟︎
asciilifeform: but he gave the impression of being somewhat pankkaked even earlier.
cazalla: sorta reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253673 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 22:39:17; ag3nt_zer0: the kid says, age 6, "you are insulting me"
cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters ☟︎
cazalla: seeing Adlai is poetic in his departing, i'll share one for him - http://dpaste.com/1ZYW3F9.txt no sig on account am boozing and losing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqbIdE )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924003 << see old thread, possibly ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 18:35:25; asciilifeform: i can't claim to have a handle on what ails pankkake et. al.
cazalla: from that thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924007 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 18:36:39; asciilifeform: i, for instance, expect to end up slowly dismembered in a cia dungeon.
asciilifeform: aha. still waiting!
cazalla: somewhat the lady doth protest too much?
kakobrekla: later on he downgraded it to 'boiled down to soap'.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's starvation, vs gassing
asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here. ☟︎
cazalla: 91 advert views.. 1 response to which no additional response was forthcoming.. you'd think asking for $20 an hour (with room to negoiate for those able to muster the courage to ask would get some work but meh)
asciilifeform: adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.
asciilifeform: it was his tradebot thing, in common lisp.
asciilifeform: but iirc he was unable to find anyone who would dare to connect it to live btc, on terms that both could agree to.
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this proggy !
cazalla: while conducting the menial labour day in, day out, i figured i have the best deal here in #b-a
cazalla: not expected to contribute anything insightful yet brightest minds show up day in, day out to talk from which i can sort through what interests me
cazalla: more australianisms.. no wonder the police force gets walked all over by a bunch of unemployed protesters https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/636980440499253249/photo/1
davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash? ☟︎
kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases. ☟︎
cazalla: wasn't adlai jewish? (just sayin')
punkman: afaik adlai's bot was making all those small trades on s.mpoe lately
davout: lol cazalla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071796 = 2.8359 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: * BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v << for some reason this didn't show up in log after >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254162 ☝︎
punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators" ☟︎
assbot: itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UaZYnF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070401 = 1.408 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: <davout> BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/ << fixed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2186 @ 0.00070004 = 1.5303 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up hazirafel
hazirafel: thanks punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2227 @ 0.00070004 = 1.559 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sooo... i just made money whilke sleeping!
mircea_popescu: (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254402 << iirc he had none ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 15:01:47; punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
mircea_popescu: srsly. what the fuck!?
mircea_popescu: why don't they come fuck the girls too, therefore saving me the trouble of washing my cock afterwards.
ascii_field: run moar Vichy Linux !111!111!!!
mircea_popescu: can stay dry throughout.
ascii_field: quislingux
mircea_popescu: can microsoft eat my icecream plox save me the trouble of going to the dentist
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people seriously.
punkman: it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: in what world is the population this fucking stupid i wish to know.
trinque: what happened to msft is evil, and fuck secureboot
trinque: did I sleep too long?
ascii_field: 'linux foundation'
ascii_field: must be something like the bitcoin phoundation...
trinque: put me back in the stasis pod til you finish dataflowputer
mircea_popescu: trinque sorry, the flat batteries ran out.
trinque sighs
ascii_field: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, is torvalds involved ?
mircea_popescu: "Linus Torvalds Fellow. "
mircea_popescu: what is he, stupid ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these people seriously.
ascii_field: http://www.itworld.com/article/2895396/is-the-linux-foundation-trying-to-gag-linus-torvalds.html << found this
assbot: Is the Linux Foundation trying to gag Linus Torvalds? | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD3fP )
ascii_field: 'the Linux Foundation kinda sorta slapped him on the wrist when they issued a new "Code of Conflict" policy that declared "personal insults or abuse are not welcome."'
mircea_popescu: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/leadership << look at this stupidshit
assbot: Leadership ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD6rW )
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.43, Best ask: 235.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 235.5, 24 hour volume: 23702.61891169, 24 hour low: 220.11, 24 hour high: 238.9, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: it IS, but i mean EXACTLY the bitcoin foundation.
mod6: ;;calc 235*.17
gribble: 39.95
mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this ☟︎
mod6: mircea_popescu: that's awesome
mircea_popescu: mod6 what is ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast! << this :D
mircea_popescu: oh oh ty :_
punkman: "We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."
mircea_popescu: in fairness i have been doing huge overcrafts overnight. like 40k a click sorta thing. but... overall im ahead i think
trinque: so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI?
mircea_popescu: punkman what the shit has this stupoid "foundation" got to do with those 20 years
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is gah
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXUu-EsAiE oh gawd, make it stahp
assbot: Distributed Genius: Advancing the Growth of Linux - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDy9I )
punkman: (from their frontpage)
mod6: !s banix
assbot: 0 results for 'banix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=banix
trinque: gotta gas all the ad people.
trinque: they've done this
trinque: you imagine the amount of zoloft it takes for this chick to sound this positive about god knows what?
trinque: not communism but an american advertisement thereof
trinque: I have to lay some of the blame for this starry-eyed world-changer vibe at the grave of Jobs
trinque: everyone wants to be an apple ad.
mircea_popescu: diude there's a lot of them
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254455 << which idiot ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 16:41:03; mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
mircea_popescu: torvalds.
ascii_field: what would you suggest to him to do ?
trinque: I thought he was supposed to be the big mean dictator man of linux
ascii_field: strap on shaheed vest ?
trinque: ascii_field: shout at people, I thought his schtick was that
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/082XAM5.txt ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqEIBU )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i suggest him to NOT BE A FUCKING "FELLOW".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i don't know enough about torvalds, but i suspect that his bargain with satan, from which he sleeps ad libitum, involves putting up with this crud
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254342 << check out cazalla on top of his game. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254366 << "shot at" != killed. the point isn't to shoot at. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254370 <<< mno. luck and "temporary disturbance" is the parsimonious explanation. for some short interval in a well chosen nigerian locaiton you could have pretended the same. then the oil bubble went awya. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254378 << after the fact. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:17:58; asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating
punkman: "Meta Glasses" are an actual product btw https://www.getameta.com/
assbot: Home: Meta Augmented Reality ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0pOGG )
mircea_popescu: but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.
mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.
mircea_popescu: buncha us born chicks went around like zebras for months on account of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070329 = 1.3363 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what was it they 'tried to' ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter. look around. it's what white middle class twerps say when they're trying to talk their way out of shit.
ascii_field: 'there is no try' (tm) (r) ('star wars')
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck are you doing" "i'm just trying to..." "bend over."
mats: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.31, vol: 20845.64260649 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 229.874, vol: 10957.87722 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 24948.43422478 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.73, vol: 8.49962599 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.420804, vol: 26744.99840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 236.624, vol: 288.24688755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.01525, vol: 63.14619619 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ^ only way to run an office with white people < 40 in it, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254382 << main advantage of being half orc is, you still get a functioning penis. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:19:57; cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters
mircea_popescu: instead of a malfunctioning cunt.
trinque: this "I'm trying to" reminds me of being asked in job interviews what my "passion" is
trinque: see, you don't have to be good at your "passion", it's just this vague focal point off in the glorious future somewhere
mircea_popescu: quite.
trinque: uh, my passion is fucking, and also having as much money as possible
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: hmm that's weird. what am i, stale?
trinque blows on the mic
trinque: paging herr assbot
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: wat
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
mircea_popescu: ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.
mod6: (13:04) [freenode] -assbot(~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot)- Insufficient rights, mod6, !up yourself on PM first.
mod6: weird.
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end very similar.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you might be stale.
mod6: looks that way.
mod6 resolves
mod6: lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess.
mod6: signon: Sun Aug 2 15:11:02 2015
mod6: *shrug*
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, fella had a project, just not one that anybody wanted
mircea_popescu: so would my cat, if i had a cat.
punkman: ascii_field: and who doesn't have one!
ascii_field: herr adlai was not a moron, actually was a pretty competent common lisp hand
ascii_field: judging by the few snippets of his i read
mircea_popescu: ascii_field intelligence is not related to this.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010
trinque: yeah, I was recalling that
trinque: it's ever clearer to me that there can be no sanity apart from economic sanity, and that everything good outside bitcoin will rot in the sun meanwhile
PeterL: seems like this fits here: http://xkcd.com/1570/
assbot: xkcd: Engineer Syllogism ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqHY0m )
mircea_popescu: trinque quite. economic sanity is the cornerstone.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00071328 = 5.5636 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: <mod6> lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess. << You hit a mega netsplit earleir
punkman: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2
assbot: 'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254403 << im too lazy to dig up where he had a chance to run a mpif thing. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:47:54; kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
mircea_popescu: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2 << this is actually a good idea.
assbot: 'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )
punkman: well here then, have 100 diffs http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=144070638327053&w=2
assbot: 'Using tame() in userland' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqINpZ )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN55z3jm6FHwhux20_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJ4ZR )
danielpbarron: https://archive.is/HcDXP
assbot: DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )
mircea_popescu: lolwut.
mircea_popescu: in similar news : why does this make one cringe and think "crash!" http://40.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c64zy1zmxmAyOiEu3_500.jpg ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJTBW )
mircea_popescu: "Does DP give you creap" ?!
trinque: deleted my twatter the other day
trinque: totally useless
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait, "i'm the soccer mom married to a fbi derp" "i was an anarchist" ? what else was the retard, a cheerleader ?
BingoBoingo: probably useless for you trinque barely useful for me
mircea_popescu: "i was in the spelling bee!"
mircea_popescu compulsively clicks on all the stuff b-a people put in chan.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I can sort of see its use as a weird, centralized RSS
mircea_popescu: trinque a decade ago in ro it was where all the minxen decided to gather.
mircea_popescu: went to shit within the year.
kakobrekla: >It doesn't seem to be one you use often. Personally, being on lists has never been a good thing for me. < now you are on the list of people not being on the list!
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not at all for that. It's another broadcast channel so long as it lasts. Also useful for yelling at small market sports commentators
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo who for some reason thin kit matters.
trinque: mircea_popescu: terrible incentives. I told a chick the other day that she communicates like she expects her sentences to be retweeted.
trinque: it's a shallow narcissism amplifier
trinque: as reddit
mircea_popescu: i guess that's the one true social media lifecycle : packaging attacks the sort of derps who buy into packaging, which in turn attract the trolls, who naturally feed on them.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'd rather messaging were solved by a cryptographically sane protocol
trinque: you know, like some kind of internet
danielpbarron: twitter is useful for trolling, although they are cracking down on that by coming up with ways to sort replies so that the less favorable ones get hidden behind "click to see the rest" b.s.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel
trinque: doesn't twitter have an HR-department style "don't be mean" policy now?
mircea_popescu: trinque you gotta appreciate young female mating behaviour. what they generally do is pick a small ante.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00071464 = 7.4323 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: like "gotta own a car" or "gotta be in X club" or so forth
BingoBoingo: It's all about who you are mean to.
mircea_popescu: changes maybe every 6 months by now
trinque: "gotta like all my pinterests"
trinque: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: nah it's never subjective like that.
mircea_popescu: (seinfeld kinda moicks it in their own retarded toothless way with the marine biologist.
BingoBoingo: Anyways I think a Fundnation account even puts forth qntra nao https://archive.is/LEfBR
assbot: Bitcoin on Twitter: "Bitcoin Nodes: Surviving a Transaction Flood | Qntra http://t.co/qr4GDO5ssM" ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJNNx0 )
trinque: what I'm thinking of is this general "pay attention to me" I've heard a great deal lately
mircea_popescu: it's usually absurdistanisms of the sort. they drive the type of thinker PeterL's cartoon illustrates absolutely fucking batshit
mircea_popescu: which i suspect is 50% of how "mtgow" got started)
PeterL: "If I follow these steps, the girls will want to date me" sort of thinking?
mircea_popescu: not EXACTLY.
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental expectation that a) world is reasonably constructed and b) the reasons are accessible. to him.
trinque: hm.
mircea_popescu: now, a may or may not be true. but b ? fuck you lmao.
mircea_popescu: the last time things made sense to me i was 5 years old.
trinque: sounds like female expectation is fundamentally irrational then.
trinque: magical, even
mircea_popescu: trinque how you figure ?
trinque: well how far does this "accessible to him" go?
trinque: I've heard lots of moaning about "make the world the way I want" from women
trinque: generally repulses me
mircea_popescu: think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".
mircea_popescu: "women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.
trinque: hm, why is rationality on the side of the defeated?
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)
mircea_popescu: trinque well think about it. what does "rational" mean ? that YOU can understand it, right ?
mircea_popescu: if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.
trinque: yes, something like I have a model of reality (even if incomplete) and act coherently within that model?
trinque: that makes sense
mircea_popescu: the demand to rationality reduces to "act in a manner i can understand"
mircea_popescu: dominating your environment reduces to ... understanding it.
mircea_popescu: ergo...
mircea_popescu: "why can't you be more like plants, said the sheep to the wolf"
trinque: perfectly clear.
mircea_popescu: "be more rational!"
ascii_field: eh, a man with his head off also 'acts in manner his opponent can understand'
mircea_popescu: obviously.
ascii_field: but so does executioner
mircea_popescu: and this is why "incomprehensible" and "evil" are so deeply entertwined throughout the history of thought.
mircea_popescu: it's very plain game theory at work.
mircea_popescu: why do people think whosoever they don't grasp is inspired by satan himself ?
mircea_popescu: because... they are, lol.
ascii_field: now this was always plainly obvious to students of witchcraft prosecutions
mircea_popescu: ascii_field executioner ipso definitio is not an agent.
ascii_field: he is the tool, like the axe. but king who ordered 'heads off', is also acting predictably, no ?
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, teaching the controversy re the 2nd ammendment in terms of "to own or not to own guns" is nonsense.
ascii_field: or perhaps not --- http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/cold_iron.html
assbot: Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: Cold Iron ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOeYa )
mircea_popescu: the core of that is RESEVING THE RIGHT TO SHOOT THE TAXMAN.
mircea_popescu: which is why http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/ is an american hero.
assbot: Joe Stack (1956-2010) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOiqW )
trinque: hear hear
ascii_field: it's kinda like 'the right to behead vikings'
ascii_field: they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em
ascii_field: could not collect danegeld.
trinque: just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the thing that [used to] make the us unique was that unlike any other state before, it had this actually plainly said and plainly recorded :
trinque: my local meetwot in austin practically had a celebration in the day's after Stack
mircea_popescu: "it is a right of the citizens to do away with the taxman if they don't like what he does"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha. then the 'federalists' won.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act << this is integral to any possiblity of win, lol.
ascii_field: see 'shay's rebellion' and 'whiskey rebellion
ascii_field: '
mircea_popescu: try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen.
mircea_popescu: you can't win.
ascii_field: there was no more beheading of the tax man after this.
trinque: but you know, the rebel flag is racis
PeterL: in the US nowadays, the fedgov size only goes up
trinque: that's good; same end state as cancer
mircea_popescu: it has to.
mircea_popescu: the state has two stable sizes. very small and =1.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen. << The most fun part of the game is looking for a way to inflict maximum damage by sacrificing your own queen
PeterL: people are reaching that point where they realize they can just vote for the guy who promises to give them the most of other people's money
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: so everyone must be made to think they work for govt
mircea_popescu: often this means giving them actual jobs.
PeterL: "increase the dole"
mircea_popescu: also, pulpo. http://36.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN51c9k8e39inzouf_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqMN9T )
trinque: I'm pretty amused by Trump. We can't even do the angry-demagogue phase of the thing right.
trinque: guy's just slightly rude, and this is all we can muster
mircea_popescu: he's a fine pappen.
mircea_popescu: you think, by the way, "oh, weimar republic was weak so strong leader arose in hitler". this is bunk.
mircea_popescu: there were > 100 of them running around before you get to hitler.
mircea_popescu: much like stalin was a minor player. until he wasn't.
thestringpuller: mod6 ben_vulpes https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/cuipewb << Luke-Jr calls the foundation's client obsolete and insecure.
mircea_popescu: which is what mp said... 6 months ago.
PeterL: foundation client or phoundation client?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's talking about therealbitcoin
ascii_field: the former
mircea_popescu: so then the faux foundation ?
mircea_popescu: he should say that.
trinque: well, he's obsolete and insecure
ascii_field: he's speaking of 0.5.3-therealbitcoin
thestringpuller: ^^^-yea
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people insist of talking of things using the wrong words.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk about the scam-foundation faux-client, he can say that
ascii_field: 'obsolete, insecure' aha. where do we seppuku
mircea_popescu: no need to keep trying to actualise his hopes in speech.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.0007098 = 1.4359 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure
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trinque: tellingly, the guy still idles here and reads logs.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> "gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".
BingoBoingo: !rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam
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BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.luke-jr.-1:5a3abd39d250fc79926306dac67b007d5b0327874ca304915315de4f7c1271f0
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for luke-jr with note: obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam
mircea_popescu: tinder not switch.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does googling "ipad dating app" return... "heavy.com". wtf is that even
trinque: "aggregator" aka ad dumping ground
trinque: looks like
BingoBoingo: !rate asciilifeform 10 Shiva destroyer of Worlds
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trinque: and yeah, Tinder's the one. I couldn't be less interested.
trinque: there's also OkCupid if you want the pretense of personality involved
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.asciilifeform.10:e0ef25dc9678cd62653f4d449ea9c4d74a520b733c8551bc5fe5a664339abbb2
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trinque: tinder you just swipe through pictures and upvote people
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.kakobrekla.10:2012b65db8c1ef2746be2e1b191d513b5740660e5d606813406f3c4030a996a4
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BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.mircea_popescu.10:81d35d97a4fc7295dcbd026a1dec2784bdd8ed70c04ea2deefa697fcfed83bcb
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 6 to 10 with note: Ongoing bsns
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.jurov.5:5beaaa88dd2758dfebc0566d5f885bc07d93911cc9fb9a154121a3f46b8f613b
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 5 with note: still around
trinque: speaking of which, ey yo jurov, friendly reminder that I can't change mailman settings
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.gavmatic:92cf59547eee9f072efdcf08ce974f6b2609269e78005bbdd50d60a436e38eb2
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trinque: mircea_popescu: culturally I think the US is getting to the point where everyone's going insane for lack of "No."
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA << check out her fucking hair omfg.
assbot: Mireille Mathieu singing La Marseillaise (with lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJPMS2 )
mircea_popescu: and yet, easily best marseillaise to date.
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.vhost-:829deaf253b02a910fe7ce3080cd3eb2e7624b636bea37f5a962a1012a4baa7b
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trinque: ah I've heard this one I think
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: rare to find a french girl that says the r fucking proper.
mircea_popescu: all this lazy italian shit.
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.ragnardanneskjol:19bddb9895a583540840f57046c61ea1b5639000c0b807873e28dd36df33f1d1
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mircea_popescu: (french r being very much its own, quite specific thing. like cheese.)
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.bcb:7d8b9005d92b4f5f6c508fe20e93ed75588b1765f9ccaa25169aab79bc2db3dc
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mod6: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.mats.2:ae604dd87a2da471d097c484059c465f91a34ec1f575305c650e420dc8bd8dbb
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BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.unrate.mats_cd03:2b50085b7c0e8fedf178a97502b40071da9a739ebe206a913068fc5b08057808
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BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.cazalla.8:dcf95857d09595e15c2ad84a1576cd0aeb1420249dec22f407d17d10ce8c4b5e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for cazalla from 3 to 8 with note: srs bsns, bunny rancher supreme
BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao ☟︎
thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college." ☟︎
trinque: bet she was
trinque: Tinder after all, is repackaged Grindr iirc
trinque: the latter being a gay app for dick-shopping
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAJ8KLGqis << and apropos of nothing, here's a gem in the sea of electronic shit
assbot: Aphex Twin - minipops 67 [120.2][source field mix] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDoiaQ )
ascii_field: trinque: any reason to believe the story ?
trinque: ascii_field: which?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253617 << on a related note, from my local fishwrap: http://i.imgur.com/XzTzaAX.jpg ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: now showing... tarzan.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDooj1 )
ascii_field: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254743 << it ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
trinque: ah I'm wrong re tinder and grindr, not related, just one imitated the other
trinque: ascii_field: I know plenty of whores, man
trinque: lol
ascii_field: trinque: not the fact of there being somewhere a whore
ascii_field: the other assertions
trinque: depends on the chick, but if you're not fat, have all your teeth, and so on, I find it hard to believe a girl couldn't find a lay on such a thing
ascii_field: AND WITHOUT
thestringpuller: ^^^- chicks be in Brooklyn be awkward yo.
thestringpuller: see: "Broad City" these girls actually exist.
trinque: heh I actually find both of those rather attractive.
trinque: hilarious show, too
thestringpuller: trinque and my girlfriend would get along
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3E9YD7G.txt << the original article. transposed especially for you!
punkman: http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/08/26/763754/10147328/en/Overstock-com-to-Acquire-SpeedRoute-Technologies-and-Related-Businesses.html
assbot: Overstock.com to Acquire SpeedRoute Technologies and Related Businesses Nasdaq:OSTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDqpeX )
punkman: ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.' The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com:  making financial markets more fair and efficient through the application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: thestringpuller: reads entirely like an especially imbecilic vendor shill
thestringpuller: it does, doesn't it. but it seems entirely plausible
trinque: "democratize" !!
trinque: my interest is embiggened
ascii_field: the 'funny cartoonist' bit settles it
trinque: so, I've been running alsa for quite a while without software mixing, only to bother looking into it this week (surely this could be done before pulseaudio!)
trinque: I burned out the poetteringaudio before even bothering with an alternative
trinque: and... dmix
trinque: wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface
trinque: lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume
punkman: I always remember this picture http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrlzW )
trinque: hideous
trinque: how can open source result in anything else?
punkman kicks the jukebox
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kadmdU6oc
assbot: Handsome Boy Modeling School - Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrO5e )
BingoBoingo: <trinque> wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface << Really that's all it is
punkman: it's like X for audio
trinque: if I want my music over there, I'm gonna run mpd over there... and connect to it
trinque: punkman: not bad tunes
trinque: from the perspective of utility, sure, having plan9-like network transparency sounds neat
trinque: for devices, etc
trinque: but... not on this operating system, and not on this hardware
trinque: punkman: this your playlist? it picked lovage next
trinque: Mike Patton is god.
trinque: dan the automator also.
thestringpuller: ugh Fucking Mr. Bungle
thestringpuller: He was only good in Mr. Bungle and only for like 2 albums.
trinque: untrue.
punkman: trinque: no I guess that's youtube magic
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8U6Mt_OG8 << patton was also a better dillinger than dillinger
assbot: The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (2002) [Full EP] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsxTU )
trinque: though hardcore's not for everyone
thestringpuller: I love disco volante by Mr. Bungle
thestringpuller: And I love the esoteric/avant garde music that kinda breached from it like Estradasphere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00070076 = 2.0672 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnauET6TwYI << my favorite mr bungle
assbot: Mr. Bungle - Pink Cigarette - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsDLa )
thestringpuller: oh the 90's. California was an okay album
thestringpuller: only cause Disco Volante was mindblowing
thestringpuller: trinque: totally got me nostalgia for early college days. :P
fluffypony: wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/google_apple_ads/
assbot: Google tells iOS 9 app devs: Switch off HTTPS if you want that sweet sweet ad money from us • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfpL6 )
trinque: fluffypony: Tim Cook has at least paid lip-service to privacy
trinque: for whatever that's worth, not a lot imo
punkman: fluffypony: I see no difference between the two
trinque: sure, "Messages" is end-to-end encrypted. and they can pull the keys from you at any time
danielpbarron: since when is https considered 'privacy' ?
fluffypony: punkman: Apple has enabled HTTPS-everywhere in iOS 9, and Google is saying that you have to disable it in your app if you want to serve Google Ads and gets paid
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3TrvhsrYs << one more patton track
assbot: Faith No More- Land of Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfBKD )
fluffypony: danielpbarron: private in terms of your ISP or someone else at the coffee shop sniffing your connection
fluffypony: not private private
fluffypony: hence pro-privacy
punkman: fluffypony: meta-privacy?
trinque: kinda like how I'm free
danielpbarron: a lock to keep out the people who wouldn't have tried anyway
trinque: sing. and rejoice! and sing. and rejoice!
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I've often used ARP poisoning at coffee shops, for shits and giggles
trinque: heh.. they're "trying to be private" !
danielpbarron: if you are reading it, it's written for you (TM)
trinque: so I've been looking into pagers, speaking of smartphones
trinque: alphanumeric pocsag
trinque: it seems to do everything I'd ever want
trinque: for longer messages, send out a page with a URL to an encrypted paste, or something
trinque: and you can retrieve whenever you feel like at some wifi hotspot
trinque: finding a paging service is rough... seems like I want to find a reseller for americanmessaging.net
trinque: biggest network from what I've seen
ascii_field pictures trinque hastily eating a onetimepad
trinque: lol
trinque: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << Interview with Gavin on how bitcion is going to die if we don't listen!!!!1111
ben_vulpes: ninjashogun and luke-jr sitting in a tree
ben_vulpes: d-e-r-p-i-n-g
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the other assertions << college is slightly harder because tight packed in sardine can. other girls keep tabs on the hot guys.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only << hurrr. nice lol.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume << quite.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, guy didn't come out of nowhere. he was prepping for it longer than it'd have take to do 5 bootcamps.
punkman: audio server has some uses but not for civilian
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side << google just wants their "privacy". https et all.
trinque: punkman: given existing computing systems, I'd rather run a wire than use pulseaudio's streaming
ben_vulpes: trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttGJ3il62Y
assbot: Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDviof )
trinque begins to nod
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/xZCzkpWy24rbgiqfEkfOLoW0_500.jpg << win.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDvnbt )
trinque: lol, somebody bought me "moon shoes" when I was a kid
trinque: things were terrible
ben_vulpes: seeed is amazing
trinque: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81HYaGSkfFL._SL1500_.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDvsfr )
trinque: I love the way the german language sounds.
trinque: was trying to learn; the myriad articles still kick my puny english ass
trinque: though their specificity, I'm sure very useful
mircea_popescu: what myriad dood, there's 3.
trinque: "this particular one of the set" which is what, dieser?
mircea_popescu: you should see fucking romanian or russian if german is myriad
trinque: that stood out as glaringly absent in english
trinque: oh, I admitted my english puniness
mircea_popescu: trinque depends on gender.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: but just because english makes a mess of vocative case / demonstrative pronoun / possesives etc doesn't mean much.
mircea_popescu: (demonstrative is what got boiled down into this/that/these/those)
mircea_popescu: most languages also have a posessive, which in english is conflated in his/hers/theirs.
mircea_popescu: like in romanian you can ask "ale cui is pizdele astea ?" (whose are these cunts ?) and the anser come "ale aceluia" (that guy's) or ale aceleia (that gal's) etc.
ben_vulpes: trinque: dancehall caballeros is another excellent track of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYg9omPYx_M
assbot: Seeed - Dancehall Caballeros (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDw4S6 )
mircea_popescu: so you have the seemingly confounding a/al/ai/ale + acesta/acela aceasta/aceea acestia/aceia acestea/acelea. for a grand total of omfg it's romanian - the gathering!
trinque: yeah, I can begin to see how a particular language can limit the specificity of expression
mircea_popescu: (these three males) + (belonging to that guy) = ai aceluia ; (this single female) + (belonging to that group of females) = a acelora.
mircea_popescu: etc.
trinque: will have to dedicate some later part of life to improving my grasp of other languages.
mircea_popescu: just study latin.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all structure of language at the outset of possibility is in there. once you learn it it's just "fill the colors" for any other.
mircea_popescu: which is why it used to be mandatory for learned gentlemen.
trinque: makes sense.
ascii_field: ru works also.
ascii_field: (for illustrating the above.)
mircea_popescu: classic education in russian puts one at no disadvantage.
mircea_popescu: certainly nothing like english does anyway
ascii_field: no pluralgenderedpossessive though
ascii_field: (it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)
mircea_popescu: incidentally the little card trading game illustrated above is the romanian #1 class distinguisher.
mircea_popescu: "are you a pleb or did your parents have enough spare food in your childhood to have the time to teach you the fucking cases"
mircea_popescu: and yes, about half the population doesn't get them right on the first try.
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: I've suspected due to the way russian speakers speak english, "a" and "the" might be absent or expressed differently
ascii_field: trinque: ru lacks articles
mircea_popescu: it declines and you're supposed to guess from declension
mircea_popescu: very...chinese, really.
trinque: IRC seems to have influenced me to drop certain subjects, certain articles
mod6: ascii_field: << looks down
trinque: at least while on IRC, not elsewhere
ascii_field: mod6: loads here
mod6: hm i dunno, maybe it'll come back
mircea_popescu: but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.
ascii_field: aha you can't 'homo homini lupus est' (tm) in english
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: homini / homines
mod6: http://dpaste.com/2DSEFH7.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1i84zFK )
mircea_popescu: "homo homines lupus est" = man is the wolf of men.
mod6: level3 has some weird shit going on
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly.
ascii_field: mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no you can, check it out : man is the wolf of men / man is wolf to men.
mircea_popescu: english, as spoken by the fucking queen, before they got the current crop of hamburg tavern wenches, was in point of fact an actual language.
trinque: is that "homini" like "upon other men"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's an explanation, i dare say, not a translation
mircea_popescu: trinque one's "to whom ?" the other is "to where"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field much like the british empire was a pretension, not a reality.
trinque: right, takes much more verbosity to convey similar, but not the same meaning
trinque: as with git vs V
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.
mircea_popescu: a language clearly intended to be spoken to horses.
trinque: seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254742 <<< we're yet to even share a meal or a woman, 8-10 does not leave much room eh? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 18:23:48; BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao
trinque recalls the "visual programming" project, sees it now as an autoimmune reaction to english and various not-lisps
mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he knows something you don't.
cazalla: perhaps, but i suspect BingoBoingo had a few drinks much like myself last night
BingoBoingo: cazalla: We share a business. It's survived nearly a year. Also the particular numbers next to ratings don't exactly mean much.
BingoBoingo: Oh, I did the WoT clean up just a little bit ago
BingoBoingo: Sober, my weekend doesn't start for a few more hours
mircea_popescu: "how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"
mircea_popescu: and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.
mircea_popescu: for instance, in english : "they found the body" (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.
mircea_popescu: in romanian : au gasit ~corpul~ [neinsufletit] ; fumatul face rau ~organismului~ ; acesta este ~trupul~ lui hristos.
BingoBoingo: More than anything I use the numbers as a rough combination of interactions and "bus factor"
mircea_popescu: three fucking words. because one's the mechanical body, and the other the biologic body, and the third the metaphysical body.
shinohai: corpus Christi
mircea_popescu: hence "hot bod" = femeie trupesa. ie, transcendental.
mircea_popescu: whereas the idea of body as in "body politic" is all but dead in english, today.
mircea_popescu: (that'd be the third there)
trinque: hm, yeah. I have trouble with that one.
trinque: might've used "soul" there in the past
mircea_popescu: trinque can you explain the difference between cosmos and universe ?
trinque: causes me to think, but I'll first suppose that the former includes the multitude of things within, and the latter refers to the structure within which those things exist
trinque: but I'm by no means happy with those definitions
mircea_popescu: but can you explain the difference between graph and set ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trup, l0l, труп == corpse
mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field which in romanian is cadavru, mostly.
ascii_field: trupesa <<< ahahahahaha gold
mircea_popescu: literally.
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps antiquated by now. but it's what rubens' good looking women were.
trinque: well, a set would be a rigorously defined category of things sharing properties
trinque: set of real numbers
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trinque: a graph is a web of relationships
trinque: I don't know that the relationships need be between things which would be considered to be in the same set
mircea_popescu: trinque quite exactly : a cosmos is the graph of perceptibles. a universe is the set of perceptibles.
trinque: very interesting.
mircea_popescu: and as you might realise, cosmos-focused cultures write fundamentally differfent software from universe-focused culturesa
mircea_popescu: the latter are preoccupied chiefly with entrance barriers, and are debating, predictably, if building a wall across colorado is worth the hassle.
trinque: is this sort of phenomenological thinking vs thinking in terms of theory and structure?
mircea_popescu: as if you know. but hey, the sets are rheaaallly very important to them i tell you.
mircea_popescu: maybe
mircea_popescu: it makes [some kinds of] science easier
mircea_popescu: but those kids are pointedly nothing "social".
BingoBoingo: Look at the herp derps trying to qntra ineptly https://archive.is/k8bEv
assbot: Bitcoin Businesses Take Steps to Prepare for CoinWallet’s September Stress Test – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1i86rhM )
mircea_popescu: (and the difference is quite understood by native english speakers, at that. consider how "universal karma" sounds vs "cosmic karma". which evokes govt bureaucracy and why ?)
trinque: mircea_popescu: hell, my old boss before I struck back out on my own used "cosmic" constantly
mod6: ascii_field: ok np, seems to be happy again
mircea_popescu: trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: assbot's sleepy
trinque: forgets about sessions after a bit, I guess
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. collecting sea shells on a stroll is not thinking
trinque happens upon a crab next
mircea_popescu: not the point. the point is that "phenomenology" is directly equivalent with "which discusses things that happen"
trinque: point is that one may think about phenomena, and not with?
mircea_popescu: you can contrast it with ontology, or gnoseology for that matter. and obviously you can build other quite clever sturctures. but yours didn't mean anything is all.
mircea_popescu: well certainly not at the same time
trinque: rather, I suppose I am thinking with phenomena
trinque knocks on head
mircea_popescu: whatcha mean ?
trinque: that the zaps in synapses are phenomena
mircea_popescu: well they are, if you're looking at it. to the neurologist or w/e.
kakobrekla: trinque voice part is session based, bot was restarted to ignore deedbot- rss links
trinque nods
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv4ifb1froOaf5mGd_250.jpg << wonder woman.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1i87rT9 )
trinque: drawn by a radical feminist guy, iirc
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
BingoBoingo: lolfond http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2839
assbot: JL: ‘I Feel Like A Second Class Citizen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSEpOb )
mircea_popescu: "Furthermore, when the nobility went to war, they would employ foreign mercenaries as auxiliary troops." << this, in partiucular, is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: mercenary troops wehre the late medieval/renaissance equivalent of art collecting.
mircea_popescu: they never had any military value or utility.
mircea_popescu: (much like the reformed us military is about as useless as sugared sardines)
trinque: there's no particular oppression of the whites going on except as a subset of the kind of oppression the socialist state commits generally
trinque: if they pit one group against another, great. serves it well
mircea_popescu: yes there is
trinque: and I'm skeptical there are even "groups" to speak of
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Bescher' uns armen Landsknecht...'
mircea_popescu: they're fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: that's all the opression anyone's ever getting.
ascii_field: ( http://ingeb.org/Lieder/unserlie.html )
assbot: Unser lieben Frauen vom kalten Bronnen / Unser liebe Fraue vom kalten Bronnenfree midi mp3 download Strand Hotel Sechelt bed breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1i88LW5 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ask the earl d'alencon
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Teenager Receives Eleven Years Prison, Lifetime Supervision In Exchange For Guilty Plea - http://qntra.net/2015/08/teenager-receives-eleven-years-prison-lifetime-supervision-in-exchange-for-guilty-plea/
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?
cazalla: i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)
ascii_field: in usa
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: cazalla pretty fucking stupid deal, yeah. who the fuck advises these people.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said that joining isis is both morally sounder and economically wiser a choice than applying to any us college.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria37d9mInY
assbot: George's Answering Machine (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSGPws )
cazalla: amusing that 20 years on, George no longer looks like typical fat American ☟︎
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents.
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (sarcastically)Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.
mircea_popescu: fat loser had it : 20 years later america went hius way.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrkZx )
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_500.jpg even
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrnEI )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dja hear about the new indigo compound?
mircea_popescu: no ?
ben_vulpes: http://subramanian.science.oregonstate.edu/news/pigment-discovery-media-attention
assbot: Pigment Discovery Media Attention | Subramanian Research Group | Oregon State University ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSJpm9 )
ben_vulpes: pigment, not dye
ben_vulpes: crappy link, i know
ben_vulpes: saw the guy speak a month or so ago. rather entertaining.
mircea_popescu: i hadn't even known oregon has a university.
ben_vulpes: girls resorted to passing each other notes out of boredom once we descended into the crystal structure.
ben_vulpes: oi!
ben_vulpes: where do you think intel gets its cheap post docs?
mircea_popescu: ah more of that yttrium-manganese stuff.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool huh.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's mostly a private joke, between /me and ex osu undergrad
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not like it's this-or-that.
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ben_vulpes: aha
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cazalla: cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."
cazalla: from http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silk-road-prosecutors-talk-about-bitcoin-ripple-money-laundering-1517414 which has some good lulz
assbot: Silk Road prosecutors talk about Bitcoin, Ripple and money laundering ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmM8Y )
cazalla: implies most, if not all exchanges are coughing up customer info upon request too
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field somehow escaped knowing about http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015
assbot: Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmYVz )
ascii_field: srsly, 'consensus' ?! ☟︎
ascii_field: that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ?
ascii_field: 'Organisations like PayPal, Wells Fargo, the US Department of Justice and leading technologists and investors were among the buyers of our first batch of tickets.'
ascii_field: not even trying to pretend otherwise, l0l
ascii_field: betcha mircea_popescu will especially love 'Hear from Xapo's founder Wences Casares, who has been called 'patient zero' for bitcoin in Silicon Valley, on his deal to monetise micropayments in bitcoin with Argentina's biggest social network.'
cazalla: oh look, a makeathon! how about it asciilifeform ?
cazalla: i would pay to watch a live stream of you in that room
ascii_field: wtf am i to do there.
cazalla: make all the things with other aspiring blockchain developers, what else?
phf: livecode a 20mb block support to golang btcd
thestringpuller: ascii_field: when you say pet you mean like a cat or significant other you are sometimes inside of?
ascii_field: the latter
ascii_field: i don't have a cat
ascii_field: (though i have cats orbiting the house)
thestringpuller: reminds me of tv show wehre characters are like "Is Molly his wife or his dog?"
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trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum. ☟︎
assbot: Gavin Andresen on Why Bitcoin Will Become Unreliable Next Year Without an Urgent Fix | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3pNa )
trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/ << mind-bogglingly disrespectful to one of the greatest inventors in recent history
assbot: Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3uAx )
trinque: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://phys.org/news/2015-08-appeals-court-reverses-nsa-illegal.html << perhaps a qntra
assbot: Appeals court reverses ruling that found NSA program illegal ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3CzS )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moonpunter: leave it to boston
trinque: moonpunter: that invention... you didn't make that
trinque: I must've been one of a handful of USian kids in the last generation taught respect, if nothing else
trinque: now it's "Get in there, you world-changer! Make your mark!" and piss on our every monument