pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires
mircea_popescu: scala is fucking dead.
pete_dushenski: since when ?
mircea_popescu: at least a decade.
thestringpuller: wassup pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu hm
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller hey dude
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp
pete_dushenski: trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp'
pete_dushenski: or something to that effect
pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ << speaking of 'millenial' living conditions
assbot: How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDquVC )
pete_dushenski: "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."
trinque: definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000156.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtSNzo )
trinque: mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes
trinque: asciilifeform: neat
mircea_popescu: anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml.
asciilifeform: !rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester
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trinque: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
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trinque: asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: hm.
trinque: he can up himself here, and submit deeds
asciilifeform: then nfi.
asciilifeform: jurov awake?
asciilifeform: jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43797 @ 0.0007205 = 31.5557 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'
asciilifeform: aahahahahaha
trinque: it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm
trinque: this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT
asciilifeform: ( https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg )
assbot: isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tMTd )
asciilifeform: creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ?
phf: "gem" culture?
asciilifeform: ?
phf: like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code
phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250283 << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again
asciilifeform: which istria, riga, montreal all are.
pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform & everyone interested : http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/
assbot: Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp )
asciilifeform reads
mircea_popescu: note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it
mircea_popescu: so make sugestions.
mircea_popescu: just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0816/7387/products/RigaSpratsAdro160g_large.jpeg?v=1428892909 << them
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDsgWC )
asciilifeform: *riga
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spiffy quiz piece
mircea_popescu: what's missing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some suggested items, in no particular order, here goes,
mircea_popescu: especially re the math and cs.
mircea_popescu: (/me doubts anyone here would pass section B, fwiw)
asciilifeform: mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'
mircea_popescu: instead of hash ?
mircea_popescu: i was aiming for that nebulous cloud.
asciilifeform: aha. broader concept.
mircea_popescu: good point huh.
mircea_popescu: ima do that instead of hash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha
mircea_popescu: dont want too much googlable shit anyway
asciilifeform: i won't even touch 'b'
asciilifeform: though how did b-3 end up there ?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin - be your own bank! wut ?"
asciilifeform: i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit
asciilifeform: (the 'chained ciphers' one)
mircea_popescu: oh b-5
mircea_popescu: mistake fixing
asciilifeform: i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: but you presume you'd use the same thing.
mircea_popescu: whereas no. this is not said.
asciilifeform: re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art
asciilifeform: same thing ?
mircea_popescu: you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
asciilifeform: the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ?
mircea_popescu: it was, yes.
asciilifeform: i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system
asciilifeform: unless catastrophically misimplemented
mircea_popescu: in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter
asciilifeform: in such a way as to make the above description false
mircea_popescu: which the underlying function is not ready to handle
asciilifeform: aha then this.
mircea_popescu: well yes that.
asciilifeform: but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero'
mircea_popescu: it did not say at any point "do" or "do not do".
mircea_popescu: it inquires as to what you know.
asciilifeform: hm ok
asciilifeform: some more randoms,
asciilifeform: chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'
mircea_popescu: good!
asciilifeform: 'a' - define nash's equilibrium
mircea_popescu: instead of schelling maybe ?
asciilifeform: not quite same item, but if one must have one, i'd have nash's
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're right
asciilifeform: (schelling's is rather less rigorous of an animal)
deedbot-: [Trilema] Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification - http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/
mircea_popescu: so it is.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG
asciilifeform: where did he say the 'directed' ?
Adlai: he didn't
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out
mircea_popescu: there's a science to these
Adlai: mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...
mircea_popescu: no big deal.
mircea_popescu: this is what learning is : reading the logs.
Adlai: mno.
mircea_popescu: what, you think i was born with it or something.
asciilifeform: 'd' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?'
mircea_popescu: im putting it in 6.
mircea_popescu: (imo it was in 6 already, but anyway)
Adlai: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/569565
assbot: Quote by George Carlin: “Don’t just teach your children to read…Teach t...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVsc8 )
asciilifeform: 'd' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?'
mircea_popescu: a.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."
mircea_popescu: imo nails it
asciilifeform: ^
Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize
asciilifeform: Adlai: it's an exam, not an open-problems list
mircea_popescu: i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin
asciilifeform: unless you meant 'error-correcting code'
mircea_popescu: and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.
asciilifeform: 'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'
mircea_popescu: nice but nah.
asciilifeform: gotta ask something about 'random' though
mircea_popescu: that's for a different class.
asciilifeform: it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.
mircea_popescu: i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin
Adlai: well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh sure you do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc
mircea_popescu: easy to explain. idjits.
Adlai: why? because if they don't, somebody else will.
mircea_popescu: let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.
Adlai: "i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this a problem ?
asciilifeform very confused
mircea_popescu: this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.
asciilifeform: and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ?
Adlai: this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"
mircea_popescu: does not, no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.
mircea_popescu: this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.
asciilifeform: https://i2.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png << everybody knows it's 4!!!1111
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVX60 )
Adlai: cf http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/sony-s-ps3-security-epic-fail-videos-within-581/?s=4ee3ac7dc283267a827b69ed52b29791
assbot: Sony's PS3 Security is Epic Fail - Videos Within - PSX-Scene ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVVLH )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: function ?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: as now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked
asciilifeform: as in, anyone can take anything.
Adlai: let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle
mircea_popescu: you don't have to use THE SAME ecc.
BingoBoingo: In other news http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/organization-withdraws-mu-s-library-science-program-accreditation/article_c7fd93a1-db92-5035-9f29-f31d3408db93.html << The reason was the program's abysmal job placement
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random
Adlai: fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979
Adlai: for the l0gz: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6979
assbot: RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDtz7U )
mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far
Adlai: mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P
asciilifeform: Adlai: you still need non-guessable privkeys
mircea_popescu: yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable.
Adlai: asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat
asciilifeform: i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck
asciilifeform: Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random'
mircea_popescu: and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,
mircea_popescu: entropy ios probably best.
Adlai: asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'
asciilifeform: hence why i suggested it..
mircea_popescu: yeah. ima put it in A.
mircea_popescu: aren't 3 too many ?
mircea_popescu: ima ask for 2.
asciilifeform: i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here.
Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation*
Adlai: you can't just use keys anywhichway.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals
mircea_popescu: they'll be fine/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me too, but...
Adlai: tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult
mircea_popescu: lol
Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay
asciilifeform: rot13:
asciilifeform: bar - enaqbz va gur frafr bs haxabja-gb naq hathrffnoyr-ol gur bccbarag. gjb - va gur frafr bs orvat fryrpgrq nf n erfhyg bs n fgngvfgvpnyyl-fzbbgu cebprff - r.t., onynaprq ebhyrggr jurry be snve pbva. guerr - enaqbz va gur frafr bs nccrnevat gb unir uvtu nytbevguzvp (xbyzbtbebi, punvgva) pbzcyrkvgl. r.t., qvtvgf bs 'cv' ner (3) ohg abg (2) naq hfhnyyl abg (1).
Adlai: tl;drot13
asciilifeform: hey it wants to be a quiz
mircea_popescu: ;;google rot13.com
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asciilifeform: i oughtn't just fuck it for people
mircea_popescu: the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not too worried.
asciilifeform: well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mike_c: i like this thing, a lot
mircea_popescu: :)
Adlai: mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"?
Adlai: this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy
mike_c: not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.
mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
asciilifeform: 'd' - 'what is coevolution?'
mircea_popescu: Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued".
mircea_popescu: mike_c kinda its main utility.
mircea_popescu: as with all examinations ever.
Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again
mike_c: i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, too biology.
Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other
mircea_popescu: hey, ever seen biolo made an adverb before ?
BingoBoingo suggest section E: Biology
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mircea_popescu: lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?
mircea_popescu: in trilema ideally
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not strictly biological; e.g., winblowz virii qualify
mircea_popescu: esp if longer and so forth.
asciilifeform: as 'coevolve'
mircea_popescu: yeah but...
mircea_popescu: not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.
mircea_popescu: it's not just ntp ;/
mike_c: uh, ur commenting shit on my comment
mike_c: cut half of it off
mircea_popescu: mike_c did you put < in there ?
mike_c: two of em
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even!
mircea_popescu: either &lt; or something. esp <--- is a comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah.
asciilifeform: srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit
asciilifeform: entropy is squarely in the latter class
mircea_popescu: (one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)
asciilifeform: but just about everyone mentally places it in the former
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform water idem.
mircea_popescu: go run in the desert.
asciilifeform: not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz
mircea_popescu: how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.
Adlai: "not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg11919751#msg11919751
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: water in sahara, air in orbit, entropy on ibm pc...
asciilifeform: Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile
asciilifeform: (example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack'
Adlai: "all i know is that i know all"
mike_c: anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.
mike_c: there's your syllabus
mike_c: teach it, charge for it
Adlai: mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise
asciilifeform: gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree
Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"
mike_c: I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts.
hanbot: would help getting the cert first hm
Adlai: mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!
mike_c: hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'
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mike_c: Adlai: well then you should take the course :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'
Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious
asciilifeform: Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.)
asciilifeform: but not, usually, by self
mike_c: Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'
hanbot: doubtful, mike_c
hanbot: maybe idempotence etc.
mike_c: I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use'
mike_c: but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin
mike_c: of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :)
hanbot: key yes. but well known already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?'
mats: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 202.6, vol: 41919.25911548 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 199.749, vol: 15430.70275 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 202.62, vol: 71343.75804612 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.0, vol: 36.38126164 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 203.299957, vol: 44728.42180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 204.2746, vol: 501.51178515 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 215.940799988, vol: 182.10137777 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mats: woo
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067424 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 10:18:36; mats: im hemorrhaging money
pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/#b3 << he's laughin'
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROj8k )
mats: and it was only $246 that day
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250565 << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now."☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china
pete_dushenski: via https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-hard-hit-rust-belt-reflects-the-countrys-economic-woes/2015/08/24/d5d82752-45bf-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html
assbot: China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROJeO )
pete_dushenski: and i'm off. cheers
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.
mircea_popescu: but it's why i said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251273 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12
mircea_popescu: i do not believe scamming is economic activity.
mircea_popescu: and i think sybil covers mitm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ?
mircea_popescu: * Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sybil and mitm are entirely orthogonal concepts
mircea_popescu: there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.
mircea_popescu: one at a time.
asciilifeform: (the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)
mircea_popescu: 1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't.
mircea_popescu: 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.
mircea_popescu: Adlai : i am an expert in the english language.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"
mircea_popescu: mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.
Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines
asciilifeform: i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..?
Adlai: buying bitcoin is much easier than using it
mircea_popescu: students are bums ever since they were invented.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A
mircea_popescu: catfish is shockingly not much eaten here.
mircea_popescu: but the frogs were passible.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen!
asciilifeform: (see thread)
mircea_popescu: i can eat cat as is
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.
mircea_popescu: tho i don't usually bite.
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my back yard, even, is swarming with'em
BingoBoingo: very clean animals
asciilifeform: tried it ?
mircea_popescu: also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,
mircea_popescu: it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.
mircea_popescu: i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.
BingoBoingo: Nah, normally just hog fat.
BingoBoingo: Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/#comment-115131 << me grins with three rows of shark teeth, like he used to
assbot: Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V5TrYp )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'
mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a univerde far far away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has to be touched, somehow. because the notion is doomed to come into play
mircea_popescu: yes.
BingoBoingo: stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specifically prove ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask the 'coq' folks
mircea_popescu: not specifically
asciilifeform: there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves.
BingoBoingo: Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees
mircea_popescu: yq.
mircea_popescu: ya*
mircea_popescu: i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.
mircea_popescu: two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing.
mircea_popescu: there's possibly a third item too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside
asciilifeform: (at the time, 'electrician' meant roughly what 'solid state physicist' means today, but minus the derpatronic aspect)
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the matter prior to heaviside nailing down maxwell's eqs to their modern form (maxwell had 20 eqs in that many unknowns!),
asciilifeform: reads quite like this.
mircea_popescu: quite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071734 = 19.8703 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.
mircea_popescu: "comfortable cultural anthropology"
asciilifeform: what's mircea_popescu's corner? economitronics of the 1880s ?
mircea_popescu: orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence.
mircea_popescu: ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.
mircea_popescu: that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.
asciilifeform: we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell.
mircea_popescu: except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage
mircea_popescu: but
mircea_popescu: IN THEOIR GARAGE
mircea_popescu: now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community".
mircea_popescu: they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla.
asciilifeform: they had this!
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm just bitter. but srsly...
asciilifeform: i was recently enjoying an anthology of the collected personal correspondence of n. tesla
asciilifeform: it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era
asciilifeform: he did not often stoop to answering the tards, but sometimes could not avoid.
mircea_popescu: care to put some selections on your blog ?
asciilifeform: it is tempting.
asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa...
asciilifeform: the arse is long.
mircea_popescu: you need a secretary.
mircea_popescu: a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.
asciilifeform: i could also use a dirigible
mircea_popescu: (which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted)
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2015#1146469 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 18:05:40; ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
asciilifeform: that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.0007173 = 34.8966 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary
mircea_popescu: ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued."
mircea_popescu: oookay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle!
asciilifeform: 'spreading works! even if eating doesn't yet!'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44695 @ 0.00071724 = 32.057 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.'
asciilifeform: (from same)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty sure he was speaking of his 'beetle men'
trinque: The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506970 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - e
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.
trinque: This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money
BingoBoingo: It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid.
trinque: BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em
BingoBoingo: trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.
asciilifeform: (this is not coincidence, but rather how long it takes the typical schmuck to pay off the credit for the thing)
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/4BcycXUu << i dunno if anyone actually gives a shit, but for those curious to see how the huddling-in-the-dark half lives...
assbot: gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0FBEF185, created 2012-04-25 "Pe - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPUFFR )
trinque: BingoBoingo: can't fault you that
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dafuq's that
BingoBoingo: trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform derpage.
asciilifeform: i can see ~that~
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol
asciilifeform: 'Why not go ahead and say it? You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running pools, so let them make that bogus argument...'
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: 'aka "[jpeg image of size 5220]"' << i always l0lld from this misfeature
asciilifeform: who the fuq thought this belonged in a pgptron ?!
mircea_popescu: you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious.
asciilifeform: i assumed that this was lifted off todd's hdd or the like
asciilifeform: where he perhaps gpg --decrypt ..... ... >> massive_turd.txt
mircea_popescu: think, how would massive_turd exist ?
asciilifeform: from the operator's laziness ?
asciilifeform: some folks have poor memory, and keep plaintexts lyin' around ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/ << fucktards.
assbot: Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPW2Ex )
mircea_popescu: "imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!"
mircea_popescu: "people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11"
asciilifeform: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=john.dillon892%40googlemail.com&op=index << 'revoked' l0l
assbot: Search results for 'john googlemail dillon892 com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPWeUa )
asciilifeform: aaaaand...
mircea_popescu: none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities.
asciilifeform: 0FBEF185 does not appear to match any publicly-known pubkeys for pete@petertodd.org >>>>> https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=pete%40petertodd.org&op=index
assbot: Search results for 'petertodd pete org' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLAJY )
asciilifeform: what gives
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82817 @ 0.0007167 = 59.3549 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7FAB114267E4FA04 << sub 2048R/0FBEF185 2012-04-25
assbot: Search results for '0x7fab114267e4fa04' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLLot )
asciilifeform: hm ok
mircea_popescu: anyway. they sorta-read ba, mostly indirectly, and pretend like they're their own item. which is... you know, most people out there anyway.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Anyways compact pickup over KING MEGA RANCH 6500 because what if one needs to go to Mexico cheaply?
asciilifeform: dafuq is grabhive ?
asciilifeform: domain is defunct
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/hivewallet << this apparently
assbot: Hive (@hivewallet) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQM7vk )
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah, I've got no love for those giant ones aside from their utility re: actual work
trinque: say you're hauling a literal shitload of horses, great
mircea_popescu: http://www.monitorulcj.ro/sport/47949-clujeanca-bianca-razor-s-a-calificat-in-semifinale-campionatului-mondial-de-atletism-la-proba-de-400-m << almost hawt chick.
assbot: Clujeanca Bianca Răzor s-a calificat în semifinalele Campionatului Mondial de atletism la proba de 400 m ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMbLx )
BingoBoingo: trinque: ANd for that purpose, gotta keep the cabin utilitarian so the help doesn't get temped to burn gas dicking around.
asciilifeform just had mindfuck moment, read the title of that piece without realizing what language it was in
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/UI3VIXn.png << USian 'Woman'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQMgPl )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ?
hanbot: in latest ml adventure, rotor-test2 for i686 makes a static bitcoind that gives sigill w/ LC_ALL=C (and won't run w/o it): http://dpaste.com/0J6HXAH
assbot: dpaste: 0J6HXAH ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPX7Mk )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? << They have the strictest rulesets sinc ethey aren't getting fucked outside of an accident. They pretend scarcity of opportunities is standards.
mircea_popescu: oh right.
mircea_popescu: i wonder who the fuck ever looked at her and thought "hey, i want her"
mircea_popescu: http://www.fanatik.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/22/udrea1.jpg << for the record, this is the ass of romania's EX president's ex private secretary woman. pretty competent politician too.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPXlDl )
mircea_popescu: she's like 50
BingoBoingo: I really want to bring the filipinos USG pays for to USia to scrap the place collecting lipodiesel and biodiesel in the Iowan uranium mines.
asciilifeform: hanbot: plz build unstripped and post gdb trace ??
asciilifeform: hanbot: or at least lemme have the binary
asciilifeform: (unstripped)
asciilifeform: stripped bin is gonna look like that paste, buncha ????s
asciilifeform: hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked !
asciilifeform: this is betrayed by 'Illegal instruction.'
trinque hazards a guess it might've been db
asciilifeform: (i presume hanbot is actually testing on a machine running in 32-bit mode)
asciilifeform: trinque: a long-mode-only opcode got shuffled in, almost dead certain
trinque: makes sense
asciilifeform: gcc linker is dumb as a brick, but we knew this.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! << ah thanks. rather than cutting up binaries/recompiling with symbols i'm going to look at this, seems the more likely explanation.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you can examine your .o files with objdump
asciilifeform: hanbot: but i also gotta ask, why are you building a x86-32 bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: i mean, i can see arm-32 (pogo et al) or mips-32
asciilifeform: but x86?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: no especially heavy reason why not
asciilifeform: it's a curious first choice, that's all.
mircea_popescu: seems "nobody else did it" is a huge reason to.
hanbot: well, machine/os i've got for testing is what i've got for testing. why not, indeed.
asciilifeform ought to visit the place where he has a vintage sgi octane-II rusting away, and port to that
asciilifeform: 'FWIW adding SSL to the protocol is a fairly relatively non-invasive change. It might be worthwhile to implement that first as a means to test the developers you wish to hire to later implement partial mode.' << l0l!!
BingoBoingo: Do you have a free shiva hand for that?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly no
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I feel you there, my dosimeter has been peaked for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86250 @ 0.00071368 = 61.5549 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: 'Just so you know this stuff about Tor has me worried... Please don't make this public, but my day job involves intelligence, and I'm in a relatively high position. You know, I went into the job years ago with very different thoughts about it than I do now. The last, well, decade really has changed a lot of minds in this field, in totally different ways. Myself I am on the side of Snowden and Assange, but... lets just say when
asciilifeform: you have a family your willingness to be a martyr diminishes. The same is true of many of my colleagues. Hopefully my support for Bitcoin can help undo some of the damage we've done, but I do have to be careful and it's tough to take all the precautions I need to to be able to communicate. If it was found out that I was involved with Bitcoin that way I have been, let's just say there would be consequences...'
mircea_popescu: herpderp.
mircea_popescu: the blonde without a piece of paper saying breathe and the usian without his cockhead in his own mouth would just fall over and die.
hanbot: ldd bitcoin/src/bitcoind: /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file , ftr.
asciilifeform: 'We are unable to explain the true nature of these patches in public because they guard against absolutely terrible DoS exploits that can take down ANY Bitcoin node. So instead we called it, "Minor efficiency improvement in block peer request handling." which is somewhat true of the patch.'
mats: asciilifeform: I find this unbelievable
asciilifeform: mats: which? the gcc linker happily munching soup ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: there we go.
mircea_popescu: the linker wouldn't really have a way to know.
asciilifeform: actually linker oughtta know, the elf is marked
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1200 @ 0.0021 = 2.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00071204 = 28.6952 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: but it is an old-fashioned tool, does not check that barrel is not pointed at your temple before whacking the firing pin.
mats: no, this 'dun tell anyone, but am intel worker and support snowden and afraid of consequences of bitcoin involvement' smells
trinque: the action movie phrasing of "let's just say..." overloads my bullshit-meter
asciilifeform: mats: a shill may well say it, to gain sympathy
asciilifeform: doesn't have to be true, ya know
mats: guess so
asciilifeform: doubleagent sop
asciilifeform: 'my boss is so mean'
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3i8dbn/8_failing_bitcoin_businesses_desperately_demand/ lol
assbot: 8 failing bitcoin businesses desperately demand computer code increase their stagnant userbase. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPZ1g4 )
mircea_popescu mildly regrets having linked the turd sample.
mircea_popescu: is the timewaste at least enjoyable ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely
mircea_popescu: aok then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and if you got any more of these, they are prolly likewise enjoyable.
mircea_popescu: you know you gotta work sometime!
asciilifeform: but i don't expect to find the launch codes in there, no.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 00000000' << win
mircea_popescu: breadcrumbs.
asciilifeform: shitcrumbs
mircea_popescu: to the true rabbit, shit is bread.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mega-cacotroph
hanbot: asciilifeform so how do i tell linker not to link said item? or do i, even?
asciilifeform: hanbot: problem is that something got built for x86-64 instead of x86
asciilifeform: chances are, it was boost
asciilifeform: which has machine arch explicitly specified in stator.sh
asciilifeform: but could also be openssl, ditto
asciilifeform: hanbot: plz post your stator.sh
deedbot-: [Qntra] Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/
hanbot: http://dpaste.com/0W7W8YJ (in which ./Configure --prefix=$OURLIBS no-dso no-shared threads linux-x86_64 && make && make install_sw; , heh)
assbot: dpaste: 0W7W8YJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61Hrb )
asciilifeform: hanbot: fix it then.
hanbot: mhm.
asciilifeform: hanbot: linux-x86
hanbot puts a quarter in the dint'd raed jar
gernika: thestringpuller: "However it does rise the humidity of the surrounding air" - should be "raise" - http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/
assbot: Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1V61TqC )
BingoBoingo: gernika: fxd
BingoBoingo: Win http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GsVkysXZ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1400215357088099761.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQ1ZRQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00071698 = 14.4113 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?
BingoBoingo: A frat house on freshman move in day
BingoBoingo: They put out a polite invitation for the girls and their mums
mircea_popescu: mmkay.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 371413 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 1546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/priority-ashley-madison-leak-no-big-deal-think/ << shit i was wrong.
assbot: Ashley Madison Leak No Big Deal? Think Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJd7K9 )
mircea_popescu: "Ironically, this is the second time I’ve run across Popescu in my writing. Popescu is a member of a group who call themselves “The Bitcoin Lordship,” who opposed a necessary increase in the Bitcoin block size for some very silly and shortsighted reasons. I remember thinking that he in particular was an ugly combination of paranoid, narcissistic, and downright mean. I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessme
mircea_popescu: nt, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess."
mircea_popescu: herp ?
mircea_popescu: "Trust me: nothing of value was lost."
mircea_popescu: "The latest Tweets from Andre Infante (@AndreTI). FutureTech editor at MakeUseOf. Game developer. Future savior of humanity. New Mexico."
mircea_popescu: mmkay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00071723 = 15.2053 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'if i say it three times, it is true!' (tm) (r) (lewis carroll)
mircea_popescu: still, derp gets the prize for paying attention.
asciilifeform: handler gets prize.
asciilifeform: derp - gets salary.
BingoBoingo: "I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessment, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess." << IncrediLoL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00071796 = 31.8774 BTC [+] {3}
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/
assbot: XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf )
BingoBoingo: Can't even spell Andressen, can't even link qntra https://archive.is/zokeX
assbot: The Hard Fork: Will Bitcoin XT Take? - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6NJe )
BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu, just buy 5000 nodes and stop with this joke, please: http://www.xtnodes.com/ << But that wouldn't be very shiny and chrome
assbot: XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu6LBf )
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, lol I'm so ingenuous. Thank you!
felipelalli: I just forgot that.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, but it would be funny.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: But not maximally funny. Better to keep therealbitcoin gearing low nao to better handle rocks. Gotta get pwer from the flywheel to the ground to climb a mountain
felipelalli: They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he prolly loaded it during a ddos bout or something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There surprisingly hasn't been a qntra DoS that I have noticed since the XT'ening
mircea_popescu: felipelalli im not entirely sure what the fake node count does tbh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or since some guy came in here and apologize about something vague
BingoBoingo: Well, onto the qntra comments for the same. These things happen with increasing frequency.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58757 @ 0.00071113 = 41.7839 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoingriefers.com/rankings/ << 2nd!
assbot: Rankings | Bitcoin Griefers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu7d2v )
BingoBoingo: Above Pirateat40!!!
BingoBoingo: the 1418 is pretty weak though mircea_popescu, better fix that
mircea_popescu: i am the only "political prisoner" on the list so to speak.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: now you are #1
mircea_popescu: lol ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21537-post-1096996.html#pid1096996 << kinda incredible how far bitcoin actually reaches.
assbot: The Bitcoin thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1U3BnRD )
mircea_popescu: what do zerohedge, rooshv and whatever have in common ? a live interest in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: sorta like being a name in flying cca 1920, everyone's got a throught for you.
mircea_popescu: wait BingoBoingo is that you ?
BingoBoingo: Not that one, no
BingoBoingo: I am never apologetic to randos on the interwebz
BingoBoingo: So, I moved the Popescu, Ulbricht slate above the shitheads on that griefer site. No good reason why MP and RU should have low elo ratings.
mircea_popescu: what am i gonna tell my mom!
BingoBoingo: You won?
mircea_popescu: hm.
BingoBoingo: I'm voting based on misery brought upon Derps, no moral consideration involved
BingoBoingo: Or is griefing not the act of bringing grief upon people/beoble
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski not really my jam.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea lol. voting stuff.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251096 << i actually ran into a client thing that looks 90% hand rolled☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 00:40:27; phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
ben_vulpes: has been limping along since 2007
ben_vulpes: ghost galleon in orbit. everyone fears it and doesn't know how it works.
mircea_popescu wonders if fellater gem is actually a thing
ben_vulpes: 'factory girl' is close
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll be puzzling over that quiz for a bit. wonderful fun!
ben_vulpes: i'd probably sweat through a shirt taking it
mircea_popescu: make sure you reload it sometime tomorrow just in case i actually wake up with any ideas.
BingoBoingo seriously suggests biology section
mircea_popescu: it does give me a taste of a very old yet apparently not forgotten "you are not expected to understand this" day at special math studies group within gifted kids hs. which is hopefully a ghood thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not putting a biology section in there!
mircea_popescu: what if it raises ctulhu!
BingoBoingo: Isn't it supposed to!
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: it's like perverse asian sex practice. edging only.
BingoBoingo: Fine, if it is edging Biology section only needs one question: "Is fire alive?"
mircea_popescu: ima make a metaphysical section with quotes from you.
BingoBoingo: Could work. I just dunno why alf is so anti-section b
ben_vulpes: c4: "python so that the world might participate"
mircea_popescu: avram iancu is a romanian folk hero. famously a guy answered "describe in brief the life and activity of avram iancu" task by writing down the letter R
mircea_popescu: which turns the name into "Avram takes it in the butt"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251301 << input parsing is hard yo just ask the pygpg people☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:22:58; mircea_popescu: either &lt; or something. esp <--- is a comment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00071516 = 27.8555 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00070876 = 12.5096 BTC [-] {4}
trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0A1CH2K.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jix6Bz )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
wyrdmantis: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76669 @ 0.00071422 = 54.7585 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/136148-most-popular-programming-languages-on-github-2008-to-2015.html
assbot: Most popular programming languages on Github: 2008 to 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WPnsxg )
fluffypony: tl;dr: decline in Ruby, Python, and C. Massive increase in Java, C#, and CSS. Javascript is #1.
mircea_popescu: lol sorry about that wyrdmantis
mircea_popescu: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00070869 = 34.1589 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in fairness, if one did the same calculation for "artists", bellybutton lint would probably figure very high
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00071542 = 13.9507 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00071681 = 55.1944 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92050 @ 0.00070768 = 65.1419 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00070699 = 59.5286 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00070654 = 5.3697 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00071242 = 40.1449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00071242 = 21.4795 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00070905 = 4.6443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00071159 = 24.9057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.00071058 = 61.0388 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67903 @ 0.00070654 = 47.9762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00071443 = 26.2553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00070751 = 27.2745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10143 @ 0.00070779 = 7.1791 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00070707 = 25.3485 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00070659 = 33.2097 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61627 @ 0.00070645 = 43.5364 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap is down - whole machine.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251447 +1☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 02:13:39; mircea_popescu: care to put some selections on your blog ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 'network is unreachable'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/17SQB7H.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5LKH )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gernika: BingoBoingo: did you mean cron instead of "chron" here? http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/
assbot: Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPW2Ex )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and shouldn't it be 'politicians' deleted tweets' ?
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-08-2015#1249548 can you explain more about this? why l2 cache is relevant? thanks in advance☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 15:08:04; wyrdmantis: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1244364 asciilifeform can you explain me why this is relevant? i person i know has told me that L2 chache is irrelevant because "the working set of memory pages veryfing ECDSA signatures is extremely small and takes places also in L1” I don’t have counter-arguments with him because this is not my field but… i trust your opinion more. Also he says that
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: for instance, there is more than one signature in a block !
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: likewise, you must count not only data but code pages;
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
wyrdmantis: ok, so this is why bigger blocks and verification time don't scale linearly?
asciilifeform: roughly.
asciilifeform: if interested in the subject, try to study - experimentally - how your cache works. recent (2007+) cpu from both major houses make this feasible.
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform thank you
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: yw
asciilifeform bbl
kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
wyrdmantis: kakobrekla: only idiots thinks that there must be no limit. the issue is WHERE to put this limit
wyrdmantis: i'm for not touching it at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18637 @ 0.00070779 = 13.1911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106610 @ 0.00070667 = 75.3381 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00071442 = 18.0284 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ty gernika and asciilifeform, corrected
asciilifeform: ;;isup nosuchlabs.com
gribble: nosuchlabs.com is down
asciilifeform: anybody on the other side of the atlantic wanna post a traceroute ?
asciilifeform: presently not able to reach it from anywhere in usa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070642 = 16.6715 BTC [-]
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform: trying
wyrdmantis: http://dpaste.com/0SJW2Q7 <<--- asciilifeform
assbot: dpaste: 0SJW2Q7: by gabriele.dalroverezurla@gmail.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhBJgq )
asciilifeform: ty wyrdmantis
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000156.html << cool! i'll try to get mine signed here soon. today or tomorrow.
assbot: [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtSNzo )
asciilifeform: mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches.
asciilifeform: mod6: i recommend to follow the format nameofpatch.vpatch.mod6.sig
Jautenim: stan http://pastebin.com/rqsfgNcY
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1 hQEMA4iazE/I7/8TAQgAoUczBaxqX+ - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ5V3p )
asciilifeform: ty Jautenim !
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches. << ok np.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: i recommend to follow the format nameofpatch.vpatch.mod6.sig << cool, sounds good.
asciilifeform: 14 April 2015: Cryptome Public Key forgery: 4096R/922D08D9 2015-03-24 Cryptome <cryptome@earthlink.net> Fingerprint=442E FB9B 6BD0 E069 86D4 E335 CD2F 43B5 922D 08D9 << l0l
BingoBoingo: I went to the cigarette emporium at exactly the right time today. RJ Reynolds rep was there and offered for an additional $2 on top of the cigs I was buying one of these kits http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2427721,00.asp
assbot: Vuse Digital Vapor Cigarettes Review & Rating | PCMag.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnCaS )
asciilifeform: pcmag !?
asciilifeform: these have usb port, or what
asciilifeform: (... and why?)
lobbes: whenever I try to switch to e-cigs I just end up wanting real cigs
BingoBoingo: Charger plugs into a usb port
asciilifeform: ah
phf: double as bitcoin wallets
BingoBoingo: So far this one has adequate "burn" at the throat.
lobbes: that is a very crucial property
BingoBoingo just plans on using phone charger for this thing if I keep up with it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't know why i bothered, but https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with
assbot: Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
BingoBoingo: upvoted asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: Rep could tell I was a loyal RJ Reynolds customer though when I merely asked for smokes and the clerk new which kind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00070642 = 9.7839 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ecigs might be the only thing in 'Murica that's gotten less shitty since 2012
asciilifeform: 'I apologise for my tardiness, but here is the 5.11BTC I promised for the CoinJoin effort.' << >> https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
lobbes: they have improved quite a bit. I remember when they were the size of markers. I had one once where the plastic mouthpiece would break at least once a month
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ibh95/coins_stolen_from_mycelium_wallet_how_do_you << lulzies
assbot: Coins stolen from mycelium wallet. How do you think it might have happened? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEoGM4 )
lobbes: to make them a true replacement though, I think they'd need to simulate the ammonia and arsenic et al.
lobbes: I think I crave that as much as the nicotine heh
BingoBoingo: lobbes: My theory is they need to include more than the nicotine. There's actually a pretty potent MAOI in tobacco that persists in the smoke
BingoBoingo: But maybe it is in this mix, only testing can confirm
phf: main issue is that ecigs can never look this cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZklVrHspM
assbot: Gainsbourg, The initials BB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbJpWx )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how is the 'juice' made ? i.e. clean mix of pesticidal-grade nicotine and flavourings, or is it actually squeezed from tobacco ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have to imagine extracted. Even pesticide grade nicotine is typically extracted and then isolated to my knowledge. This package says extracted from tobacco, but RJ Reynolds is not in my WoT to the extent I can take that on face value.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56081 @ 0.00070489 = 39.5309 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: I dunno if there is a cheaper way to get nicotine, even for pesticide than extracting from tobacco
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50577 @ 0.000704 = 35.6062 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: BingoBoingo: what do you think about inhaling glycerine/propylene-glycol?
BingoBoingo: A little soap can't be that bad for the lungs
phf: asciilifeform: i think there's a range. there's an ecigar (not sure how it's called) place next door, which is favored by asians and blacks. actually pipes are large and made out of machined parts, but produce massive amounts of smoke. they source nicotine oil separately, and my impression is that you can get anything from dodgy chinese stuff with flavors like "coca cola bubble gum" to u.s. local hand extracted tobacco oil
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Can you please call me ? No. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/25/can-you-please-call-me-no/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70907 @ 0.00071792 = 50.9056 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: lol lobbes you crave the bad stuff of cigarettes lol?
thestringpuller: i've always thought e-cigs can wane you off more easily than other things because you can cram so much nicotine in the juice
thestringpuller: and the delivery to the lungs is much more efficient.
davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PTtX1HPWj4
assbot: These Kids Made The Most Genius Basketball Trick Shot Video Of All-Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4tfjQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27693 @ 0.00071992 = 19.9367 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looking into it.
lobbes: thestringpuller: lol. Well there's somethin' about the 'pure' nicotine that doesn't do it for me with e-cigs. Though BB's point about MAOI persisting in 'traditional' tobacco smoke perhaps makes more sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dunno, seems to be blackholed somehow. the server itself is fine. the looking into continues.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log. traceroutes all fall into neverneverland
mircea_popescu: well sure. from pretty much everywherre
asciilifeform: aha. both sides of atlantic.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1YEMCVW << pretty early, too.
assbot: dpaste: 1YEMCVW ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4vjIu )
mircea_popescu: i mean... what's the connection between core11.hetzner.de and verizon-gni.net
asciilifeform: none, it's the dropoff
asciilifeform: the former - yours, the latter - mine
mircea_popescu: course trilema is also a little sluggish
lobbes: ;;later tell trinque is deedbot- handling phuctor now too? No worries either way; I just want to make sure our gears are turning in-sync
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53560 @ 0.00071421 = 38.2531 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251759 << incidentally, on a multicore system one could probably do some pretty spiffy kernel improvements to squeeze more juice for a purely node system.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:16:07; asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best kernel improvement is to single-task the thing
mircea_popescu: just the fact that "these pages don't get swapped" would prolly 3x the whole thing or some shit
mircea_popescu: and who watches the ethercard ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the nic knows how to dma, recall.
mircea_popescu: i do not think there ever existed a "single task programmable computer" yet, in spite of convincing early ibm emulation. you either get signal processing or multi tasking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, none of this is even worth thinking about until items like multiprocessorized sig validation are a thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'single task' in the sense of there not being a timeslicer
mircea_popescu: kernel gets a timeslicer for itself anyway
asciilifeform: yes, you still have interrupt handlers.
mircea_popescu: so it can run "this timeslicing is no longer supporterd please run upgrade"
asciilifeform: but it is perfectly feasible to run something like bitcoin as an embedded proggy.
mircea_popescu: no argument. was just pounding the more theoretical side of things.
asciilifeform: i worked it out. the only interrupt handlers one even needs, are a) timer b) nic frame ring buffer (tx, rx) full/empty.
asciilifeform: (and, optionally, disk dma req. complete)
mircea_popescu: anyway, our friends' apparently well intended conundrum is i think illustrative for the woe betid the modern man, asked to come up with "votes" on matters so far removed from his understanding.
asciilifeform: could, theoretically, do this port even now, if one were to 'de-thread' the thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
asciilifeform: lucky job that i have one. (and i'd be disappointed if only i)
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if the size of that empire will allow the young and clueless mining derps be squashed by decade-old us foreign policy technology that their older, more politically central counterparts have long ago figured how to sink
mircea_popescu: but, this discussion's yet out of its time.
asciilifeform: parachute!
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: you ever seen the robotzi re parachutes ?
asciilifeform: dun think so
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it up, then you can watch it then i can say something pithy about it
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Ei81re1Ao
assbot: RObotzi.S03.Ep3.Hobby - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWlSWP )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1qvgld/a_leak_in_the_bitcoin_reddit_shows_private << lulz
assbot: A leak in the bitcoin reddit, shows private messages between bitcoin developers included litecoin head developer : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWm0Wn )
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: apparently no one gave a shit then, either.
asciilifeform: (spoiler: it's the paste from last night.)
mircea_popescu: as you say, entomological interest.
asciilifeform: much entomological sample, so scarce the ddt.
mircea_popescu: so didja see it ?
asciilifeform: see what?
mircea_popescu: youtube above!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251766 << i recall this tidbit of shisdom peppered throughout the "conversation"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:20:26; kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
kakobrekla: ah ok then
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis no fucking way your name actually is "dalroverezurla"
kakobrekla: so the 5 btc went to buy silk road stuff ?
mircea_popescu: nfi. something with donations or w/e.
asciilifeform still not very handy with spoken ro
mircea_popescu: prolly went to sergent blackforce the 9th power or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, ima translate it in a second then
mircea_popescu: these guys are impossible anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00070977 = 37.023 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !rated wyrdmantis
assbot: You have not rated wyrdmantis.
mircea_popescu: !rate wyrdmantis 1 Good name.
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jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.10097459 = 1.5146 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.00072101 = 78.2296 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/robotzi-s03-ep3-hobby/
assbot: RObotzi S03 Ep3 : Hobby on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwSnc1 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00070977 = 13.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39507 @ 0.00070977 = 28.0409 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dja see what i mean ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole as is down, being worked on, dulap should be back later.
asciilifeform: spiffy
asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
asciilifeform: ~crackle~, ~hiss~, ..., ..., outage
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00070449 = 30.9623 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: progress is what happens when everything gradually goes to shit
mircea_popescu: so whadja expect.
asciilifeform: hogress.
asciilifeform: ... and it appear that i'm ~still~ the only one keeping public therealbitcoin nodez ?? are folks waiting for the version string thing (imho pretty useless...) or what ?
jurov: ;;later tell felipelalli btc-dev l2 keys are updated once per day, if your emails still aren't accepted, i'll check it it on weekend (currently abroad, no access)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with << they luvv it
assbot: Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
asciilifeform: (anybody need a bucket of cockroaches for anything ??!11)
punkman: so petertodd loaned John Dillon 5.1 btc, which he then sent to gmaxwell, to https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV which is tagged "DPR seized coins"?
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00070377 = 32.4438 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: oh wrong link, 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH was supposed to be gmaxwell's address
kakobrekla: is that when sr was still up?
mircea_popescu looks for the "as mp said a few months ago", doesn't find it, doesn't give a shit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#337920 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2013 15:46:43; ozbot: FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00070361 = 70.2906 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: so, someone bought some drugs.
punkman: the 5.1099 btc was sent on 2013-11-16
kakobrekla: wasnt it 2013-10-26
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: even more peculiar.
punkman: kakobrekla: no that's when petertodd sent the money to Dillon
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/slush_on_xt.png a little kek
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ubqec7 )
kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV this address i thin kwas under dprs control
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEozQv )
kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH this one is under usms
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbqhES )
punkman: so john dillon wasn't a spook, was dpr?
kakobrekla: deposited to sr wallet
kakobrekla: id say
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: yes, after bust .
mircea_popescu: jurov guy's gone full retard.
mircea_popescu: !rated slush
assbot: You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: but lol @gogulski
mircea_popescu: the only shit that's bad is still in your head, yo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enough, i encountered gogulski entirely by chance, elsewhere:
mircea_popescu: that's what not agreeing with me usually means. that you got some horse droppings in a portion of your brain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << he bought my 'dukedom'
assbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwU6Oz )
mircea_popescu: good for him
asciilifeform does not know anything else about herr gogulski, other than the incident where he publicly burned his u.s. passport and formally renounced citizenship
mircea_popescu: there's an immense pile of people who "don't agree with mp" as if that's some sort of vanity prop.
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs. growing up happens to the best of 'em.
asciilifeform was contemplating the apparent fact that: whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them. hence there is likely massive enthusiasm for anything that smacks of destroying or at least defiling bitcoin, on grounds of sheer envy
asciilifeform: 'perhaps ~now~ we get a chance'
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with/cufbrx6 << cockroach squirms
assbot: petertodd comments on Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtuUK )
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg3009444#msg3009444 << addresses used by jdillon to donate 10btc to coinjoin fund https://blockchain.info/tx/1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2
assbot: CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxA8 )
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxQo )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
asciilifeform: (naturally, not applicable to extant bitcoin.)
mircea_popescu: it was discussed in bitcoin too.
mircea_popescu: predictably, pool ops do not like the idea at all.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's plenty applicable, if one talks forks.
mircea_popescu: but by the time one talks forks to that level, some sort of much different bitcoin would be on the table anyway. with ring signatures and various other items.
mircea_popescu: " whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them" <<< ahahahaha. fucking DOH. not even usg is this fucking stupid. albeit this is not deliberately, just, the low level idiots have no access to any btc and the high level doods know better. but for that matter : usg employees don't even get fiat.
mircea_popescu: people in the camp work for a) promises of future and b) mortgage-and-meal tickets.
mircea_popescu: what bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: you think the fucktards writing "gawker" and all its clones are getting paid ? thjey aren't. they do it because i won't take them to work for qntra, and they imagine that if they persevere they can somehow prevail without needing to actually do the hard work.
mircea_popescu: the same's true throughout.
asciilifeform: even pig is sometimes permitted to eat truffle
asciilifeform: but not often.
asciilifeform: 'usg employees don't even get fiat' << this is true in a strictly technical sense. but in fact senior nomenklatura ('ses' and up, but also grey-usg folk like uni professors) bring in very decent dough via 'contracting' and pseudo-industrial gigs.
mircea_popescu: how many monets' worth ?
mircea_popescu: this is the point easily missed. "oh, bitcoin is a 5 bn dollar system". no it's fucking not lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: easily into the multiple millimonets, for a typical case
mircea_popescu: you can buy about 100k and it stays at 5bn
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but for senior brass, whole monets
mircea_popescu: once you buy 1bn, it's suddenly a 50 trillion system
mircea_popescu: same is true of monets, but the exponential's going the other way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somehow no one is foolish enough to make the mistake in, e.g., aluminum market
asciilifeform was using 'millimonet' as an approximate unit, 4 * 10^4 usd.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251979 <-- a test implementation exists called "spreadcoin"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
asciilifeform: 'spreading works!!111!!!11'
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: appears to be entirely dead
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: so dead that not even a copy of the paper can be turned up.
asciilifeform: or, hm, maybe not
asciilifeform: http://www.spreadcoin.info/downloads/SpreadCoin-WhitePaper.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NH9dqx )
asciilifeform: ^http://dpaste.com/2CMFP15
asciilifeform: 'In SpreadCoin mining is organized in such way that miner must know the following things: 1. Private key corresponding to the coinbase transaction. 2. Whole block, not only its header. ... Pool may detect and ban cheating miners. However, many miners may still prefer to cheat so that pool will be completely unusable for honest miners.'
asciilifeform not convinced that this works as described
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform funnily, the "corner silver market" was the opposite mistake. ie, "we'll make thius a 500 bn system for no reason"
mircea_popescu: odd how selective stupidity is. it'll only do its stupid thing where it doesn';t stand a chance, but will avoid where it'd work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10102 @ 0.00070449 = 7.1168 BTC [+]
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6430 interesting
assbot: ECDSA Signatures allow recovery of the public key ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHayNO )
punkman: (linked from spreadcoin text)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070323 = 37.7986 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
mircea_popescu: check out gavin from 2011 : "What's the extra CPU cost for recovering the public key? Current bottleneck for bitcoin transaction processing is the CPU cost of ECDSA signature verification, not disk space or bandwidth, so saving bytes at the expense of more CPU is not the right thing to do."
mircea_popescu: it's not like he doesn't KNOW what he's doing oir anything.
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186264
assbot: Improving the trustworthyness of PGP keys with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHbJNh )
punkman: "If you are part of the PGP strong set or your PGP key is on bitcoin-otc you now have a timestamp. Take your PGP fingerprint and convert that into a Bitcoin address and you'll find a 1 satoshi payment to it"
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189792.msg1968200#msg1968200
assbot: Bitcoin Blocksize Problem Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHco1l )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and now we know why he made no attempt to parallelize, also.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You know of any working OpenBSD monero builds?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: binaries or building from source?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Building from source
fluffypony: head should build if you "make release-static" and have the depsa
fluffypony: *deps
fluffypony: but I haven't checked the last few commits on BSD, so it's entirely possible we broke something
BingoBoingo: Ah, I think I was missing rt
ben_vulpes: marvel of marvels, still leaking IP.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some of us :)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the hash-and-nonce approach to pow originally proposed is quite obviously hackery.
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin purified of ec bullcrap could do some pretty splendid factorisation-based pow.
asciilifeform: ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256700 @ 0.00070277 = 180.4011 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: ;;isup nosuchlabs.com
gribble: nosuchlabs.com is up
punkman: mircea_popescu: how's the hash pow related to ec?
mircea_popescu: in being stupid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28502 @ 0.00070347 = 20.0503 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, unless you have a nvidia farm you're trying to find a use for, your pow has no business being a recursive hash and shouldreally be a lot more like what phuctor's doing
mircea_popescu: that obviously reduces to a ram farm, but at least ram is a degree of magnitude more commodised than gpus.
mircea_popescu: in general, as it has been correctly observed and oft repeated, the simpler the gun, the worse for the state.
asciilifeform: my only misgiving about this is if you stop and think who's been baking factoratrons for the past 20 yrs.
asciilifeform: to them, the spoils ?
asciilifeform: they perhaps were not quite good enough for pgp, but for this - perfect
BingoBoingo: !up auxon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00070164 = 72.1286 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30330 @ 0.00070132 = 21.271 BTC [-]
punkman: http://dpaste.com/1WPD2NM some excerpts from jdillon leak and bonus links
assbot: dpaste: 1WPD2NM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXi5Zc )
funkenstein_: i'm surprise nobody has an RSA coin out yet
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: possibly for the reason i mentioned
funkenstein_: factoratrons?
asciilifeform: aha.
funkenstein_: i meant address, tx signing, DSA not POW
asciilifeform: 'too heavy'
asciilifeform: is the usual excuse.
asciilifeform: !s rsacoin
assbot: 0 results for 'rsacoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsacoin
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: quite sure that we discussed it.
funkenstein_: sounds familiar
funkenstein_: signature verification is more intensive than modinv stuff with ecdsa?
funkenstein_: it seems thats the bottleneck
asciilifeform: that wasn't the concern
funkenstein_: pubkeys are big i guess
asciilifeform: relatively.
funkenstein_: addresses are hashes, that's not a problem
mircea_popescu: !up auxon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah
mircea_popescu: it is heavy.
funkenstein_: it's also hard to make good rsa privkeys with dice
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also hard with stone axe, mammoth teeth, bear skin.
funkenstein_: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71803 @ 0.00070097 = 50.3317 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.11, Best ask: 224.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 224.42, 24 hour volume: 75242.0072563, 24 hour low: 196.6, 24 hour high: 228.77, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69941 @ 0.00069936 = 48.9139 BTC [-] {6}
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/world/europe/migrants-push-toward-hungary-as-a-border-fence-rises.html?_r=0
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcwrt )
punkman: from Syria, to Kos and Lesvos, to the promised land of Germany and Sweden
asciilifeform: n0rd1c syst3m!!
punkman: http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/15/investing/bank-of-america-branches-layoffs/
assbot: Hundreds of Bank of America branches are disappearing - Jul. 15, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLcZty )
punkman: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/24/investing/stocks-markets-selloff-circuit-breakers-1200-times/index.html
assbot: Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLd6Fv )
asciilifeform: punkman: see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193376 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
asciilifeform: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/ashley-madison-users-extorted/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << l0l, from same fishwrap
assbot: Ashley Madison users now facing extortion - Aug. 21, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdjII )
asciilifeform: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/19/news/niagara-painting-sale-blocked-uk/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer&iid=obnetwork << and re: the art thing
assbot: Buyer pays over $200,000 for painting, but can't take it home - Aug. 19, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLdnID )
trinque cranks the R.E.M., kicks back
asciilifeform: 'The government hopes that by blocking the painting from export there will be time for a new, serious buyer to come forward.'
asciilifeform: soviet win.
mod6: asciilifeform: I see you attached the sigs for the vpatch files, and included the tarballs in your orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) email. I think it'd like to attach the raw .vpatch files as well as the .sigs for completeness. Anything against this other than it's a bit redundant since you already posted the tarballs of the .vpatches?
mod6: s/it'd/i'd/
asciilifeform: mod6: redundant, imho
asciilifeform: mod6: once 'v' is live, it can be retrofitted to the turdatron directly
mod6: alright, i'll leave them off, and maybe just leave a linkback in the body to your message.
mod6: that way a person can find the tarballs, etc.
mircea_popescu: punkman fascinatingly, it's china's fault!
mircea_popescu: lol @the uk.
mircea_popescu: maybe the guy should rape some teenagers ? apparently it's how you get shit done in the queen's realms.
asciilifeform: neh that's reserved for authorized race-replacerz
mircea_popescu: honestly if it was mine i'd burn it.
mircea_popescu: send the "minister of culture" the ash.
asciilifeform: for bonus points, buy that little stove in ro they used earlier
asciilifeform: to burn it in
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: tho ro govt would perhaps forbid its export :D
asciilifeform: l0l!!
asciilifeform: wonder what the ashes are worth
asciilifeform: betcha they're at least mildly authenticable.
mircea_popescu: same as the painting, really.
mircea_popescu: "helps you better understand the role of mp in shaping the 21st century"
asciilifeform: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17D9G5M.txt )
mod6: oh i just realized something.
mod6: these sigs that you posted won't verify out-of-the box, not that i've tried. but the detached sig must match the file name with the exception of the trailing .sig on the end.
asciilifeform: mod6: nope.
asciilifeform: mod6: give gpg both args
mod6: so if we do <patchname>.<wotGuy>.sig then will fail
asciilifeform: mod6: first payload, then sig
mod6: oh aight, lemme see here...
asciilifeform: (this is also done from inside 'v'. but, importantly, it also works - must work - manually.)
mod6: ok, yah, works. just needed to do `gpg --verify <sigfile> <origfile>`
asciilifeform: aha i got it backwards
asciilifeform: but yes, works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00069836 = 53.8086 BTC [-]
mod6: I'm about to try to fry up some of these cheese & potato pierogies .. any tips ? just fry 'em until golden brown ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00069805 = 25.1298 BTC [-]
mod6: alright, i'll just wing-it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29773 @ 0.00069804 = 20.7827 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00069781 = 2.531 BTC [-]
phf: mod6: you want to cook them in water for a bit first, and then fry them once they are cooked
mats: wat
mats: is it common to do that?
phf: i thought that's a standard way of cooking pierogies on account of thicker dough, you want to stuff inside to get fully cooked
phf: as opposed to say, dumplings
thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/636258874606133248 >> We are experiencing data corruption issues and will be offline until corrected. Sorry for the inconvenience.
mats: ive tried that before and it ruined them
asciilifeform: lol shitfinex
phf: mats: you probably overcooked them so they started falling apart
mircea_popescu: mats you need one of those wire whisks. get the water to boiling, lower them into the water, give them ~90 seconds. take out, let them drip fully, then deepfry.
mircea_popescu: in hot oil.
mircea_popescu: (dry-deepfry is so fucking retarded i have nfi why anyone even does it tbh)
mats: hm, ok
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta say something to salvage the pretense.
mircea_popescu: broomstick fires first, speaks after, it's a land of magical puffery over there.
mircea_popescu: and i guarantee you they'll continue to have all the "market share" they had before : 0 actual users, a few confused people with their quarter btc and otherwise, the whole might and noise of the usg.
phf: or mp way, which is a lot more deliberate then mine, because i only ever fry leftover dumplings that were previously cooked. in any case you want the insides to get cooked too, so if you're deep frying them straight you want to cook insides first, then wrap in own dough, then fry the result
mircea_popescu: now i want blinyi
Adlai: http://dpaste.com/0AKD3VC
assbot: dpaste: 0AKD3VC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLkh0D )
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Adlai assures the concerned members of the audience that this is not from shitfinex... anybody who's written exchange APIs will probably recognize this
punkman: Adlai: what's that
Adlai: if you had to ask, someday you'll know
mircea_popescu: how to bother people, entry #985468546 : pronounce adult as "a dolt". insist.
mod6: i got these ones from a lady from .ua at the farmers makert. instructions on the top said "don't cook in water", don't cook if frozen. so I let 'em thaw overnight. then just put 'em in a pan with a bit of cooking oil. simmered 'em until golden. tasted great to me!
mod6: but maybe im pierogie heathen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070235 = 16.5755 BTC [+]
punkman: I wonder, do they sell bottles of "cooking oil" in US supermarkets? (where you have to read the fine print to figure out what it's made of)
mod6: i can go look. this is 'vegetable oil'
mod6: Ingrediant: SOYBEAN OIL
mircea_popescu: iirc it was mostly rapeseed
mircea_popescu: (yes it's an actual plant)
Adlai: entry #985468547 : abbreviate 'grownups' as 'groans'
mod6: heh 'rapeseed'
mod6: ahh yah, canola, saw fields upon fields of this driving through manatoba
shinohai: rapeseed is used as a filler in cheap peanut butter in us groceries
mod6: "food"
punkman: protip: if your peanut butter doesn't develop a layer of oil at the top, it probably has hydrogenated vegetable oil in it
punkman: same with tahini
shinohai: smuckers makes yummy natural pb
mod6: but it also makes this abortion: http://www.smuckers.com/products/peanut-butter/goober-pb-j/goober-grape-38
assbot: Goober Grape PB & J - Peanut Butter - Smucker's ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLpDsw )
punkman: not that hard to make at home
mod6: everytime i see that stuff on the shelf, i think, "this shit is a metephor for the whole goddamn thing."
shinohai: girls go fer goober grape
mod6: heheh
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00069781 = 3.838 BTC [-] {2}
mats: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEB0aYjVIAI88Wx.jpg genius
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLviig )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00069781 = 17.0963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49740 @ 0.00070235 = 34.9349 BTC [+]
Adlai seconds http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-05-2015#1144802 until, byte-for-byte, human commentary outweighs assbot spammentary☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 19:24:43; ascii_modem: pure noise imho
Adlai: this is merely a matter of dynamic minimum-announced-trade-size
Adlai: anybody who really cares that much should be in -trades or have their own feed