pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp
pete_dushenski: "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."
trinque: definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.
trinque: mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes
mircea_popescu: anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: therealbitcoin tester
trinque: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
trinque: he can up himself here, and submit deeds
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trinque: it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm
trinque: this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT
phf: like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code
phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
mircea_popescu: note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it
mircea_popescu: just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again
mircea_popescu: you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
mircea_popescu: in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter
Adlai: mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG
Adlai: mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."
Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize
mircea_popescu: i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin
Adlai: well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"
Adlai: why? because if they don't, somebody else will.
mircea_popescu: let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.
Adlai: "i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!
mircea_popescu: this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.
Adlai: this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.
mircea_popescu: this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.
Adlai: let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random
Adlai: fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979
assbot: RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... (
http://bit.ly/1hDtz7U )
Adlai: mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P
mircea_popescu: yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable.
Adlai: asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat
mircea_popescu: and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,
Adlai: asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'
Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation*
Adlai: you can't just use keys anywhichway.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals
Adlai: tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult
Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay
mircea_popescu: the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.
mike_c: i like this thing, a lot
Adlai: mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"?
Adlai: this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy
mike_c: not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.
mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
☟︎ Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again
mike_c: i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"
Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other
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mike_c: mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?
mircea_popescu: not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.
mike_c: uh, ur commenting shit on my comment
mircea_popescu: (one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)
mircea_popescu: how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.
Adlai: "all i know is that i know all"
mike_c: anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.
mike_c: teach it, charge for it
Adlai: mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise
Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"
mike_c: I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts.
hanbot: would help getting the cert first hm
Adlai: mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!
mike_c: hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.
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mike_c: Adlai: well then you should take the course :)
Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious
mike_c: Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.
hanbot: maybe idempotence etc.
mike_c: I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.
mike_c: but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.
mike_c: of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :)
hanbot: key yes. but well known already.
mats: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 202.6, vol: 41919.25911548 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 199.749, vol: 15430.70275 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 202.62, vol: 71343.75804612 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.0, vol: 36.38126164 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 203.299957, vol: 44728.42180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 204.2746, vol: 501.51178515 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 215.940799988, vol: 182.10137777 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 10:18:36; mats: im hemorrhaging money
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1JROj8k )
mats: and it was only $246 that day
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.
mircea_popescu: there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.
mircea_popescu: 1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't.
mircea_popescu: 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"
mircea_popescu: mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.
Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines
Adlai: buying bitcoin is much easier than using it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year
mircea_popescu: also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,
mircea_popescu: it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.
mircea_popescu: i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.
BingoBoingo: Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is
BingoBoingo: stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ?
BingoBoingo: Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees
mircea_popescu: i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.
mircea_popescu: two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing.
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mircea_popescu: i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.
mircea_popescu: orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence.
mircea_popescu: ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.
mircea_popescu: that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.
mircea_popescu: except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage
mircea_popescu: now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community".
mircea_popescu: they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla.
mircea_popescu: a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.
mircea_popescu: (which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 18:05:40; ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
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mircea_popescu: "I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary
mircea_popescu: ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle!
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run
trinque: The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - e
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.
trinque: This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money
BingoBoingo: It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid.
trinque: BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?
BingoBoingo: trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.
trinque: BingoBoingo: can't fault you that
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through...
BingoBoingo: trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from.
mircea_popescu: you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person
mircea_popescu: "imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!"
mircea_popescu: "people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11"
mircea_popescu: none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities.
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mircea_popescu: anyway. they sorta-read ba, mostly indirectly, and pretend like they're their own item. which is... you know, most people out there anyway.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Anyways compact pickup over KING MEGA RANCH 6500 because what if one needs to go to Mexico cheaply?
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah, I've got no love for those giant ones aside from their utility re: actual work
trinque: say you're hauling a literal shitload of horses, great
assbot: Clujeanca Bianca Răzor s-a calificat în semifinalele Campionatului Mondial de atletism la proba de 400 m ... (
http://bit.ly/1NQMbLx )
BingoBoingo: trinque: ANd for that purpose, gotta keep the cabin utilitarian so the help doesn't get temped to burn gas dicking around.
hanbot: in latest ml adventure, rotor-test2 for i686 makes a static bitcoind that gives sigill w/ LC_ALL=C (and won't run w/o it):
http://dpaste.com/0J6HXAH BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? << They have the strictest rulesets sinc ethey aren't getting fucked outside of an accident. They pretend scarcity of opportunities is standards.
mircea_popescu: i wonder who the fuck ever looked at her and thought "hey, i want her"
BingoBoingo: I really want to bring the filipinos USG pays for to USia to scrap the place collecting lipodiesel and biodiesel in the Iowan uranium mines.
trinque hazards a guess it might've been db
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! << ah thanks. rather than cutting up binaries/recompiling with symbols i'm going to look at this, seems the more likely explanation.
hanbot: well, machine/os i've got for testing is what i've got for testing. why not, indeed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I feel you there, my dosimeter has been peaked for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86250 @ 0.00071368 = 61.5549 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: the blonde without a piece of paper saying breathe and the usian without his cockhead in his own mouth would just fall over and die.
hanbot: ldd bitcoin/src/bitcoind: /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file , ftr.
mats: asciilifeform: I find this unbelievable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1200 @ 0.0021 = 2.52 BTC [+]
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mats: no, this 'dun tell anyone, but am intel worker and support snowden and afraid of consequences of bitcoin involvement' smells
trinque: the action movie phrasing of "let's just say..." overloads my bullshit-meter
assbot: 8 failing bitcoin businesses desperately demand computer code increase their stagnant userbase. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1MPZ1g4 )
hanbot: asciilifeform so how do i tell linker not to link said item? or do i, even?
hanbot puts a quarter in the dint'd raed jar
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BingoBoingo: They put out a polite invitation for the girls and their mums
gribble: Current Blocks: 371413 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 1546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: "Ironically, this is the second time I’ve run across Popescu in my writing. Popescu is a member of a group who call themselves “The Bitcoin Lordship,” who opposed a necessary increase in the Bitcoin block size for some very silly and shortsighted reasons. I remember thinking that he in particular was an ugly combination of paranoid, narcissistic, and downright mean. I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessme
mircea_popescu: nt, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess."
mircea_popescu: "The latest Tweets from Andre Infante (@AndreTI). FutureTech editor at MakeUseOf. Game developer. Future savior of humanity. New Mexico."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00071723 = 15.2053 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: "I now feel somewhat vindicated in that assessment, and more than a little gratified that his blog seems to have shutdown in the ensuing mess." << IncrediLoL
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felipelalli: BingoBoingo, lol I'm so ingenuous. Thank you!
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: But not maximally funny. Better to keep therealbitcoin gearing low nao to better handle rocks. Gotta get pwer from the flywheel to the ground to climb a mountain
felipelalli: They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he prolly loaded it during a ddos bout or something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There surprisingly hasn't been a qntra DoS that I have noticed since the XT'ening
mircea_popescu: felipelalli im not entirely sure what the fake node count does tbh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or since some guy came in here and apologize about something vague
BingoBoingo: Well, onto the qntra comments for the same. These things happen with increasing frequency.
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BingoBoingo: the 1418 is pretty weak though mircea_popescu, better fix that
mircea_popescu: i am the only "political prisoner" on the list so to speak.
mircea_popescu: what do zerohedge, rooshv and whatever have in common ? a live interest in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: sorta like being a name in flying cca 1920, everyone's got a throught for you.
BingoBoingo: I am never apologetic to randos on the interwebz
BingoBoingo: So, I moved the Popescu, Ulbricht slate above the shitheads on that griefer site. No good reason why MP and RU should have low elo ratings.
BingoBoingo: I'm voting based on misery brought upon Derps, no moral consideration involved
BingoBoingo: Or is griefing not the act of bringing grief upon people/beoble
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski not really my jam.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 00:40:27; phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
ben_vulpes: ghost galleon in orbit. everyone fears it and doesn't know how it works.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll be puzzling over that quiz for a bit. wonderful fun!
ben_vulpes: i'd probably sweat through a shirt taking it
mircea_popescu: make sure you reload it sometime tomorrow just in case i actually wake up with any ideas.
mircea_popescu: it does give me a taste of a very old yet apparently not forgotten "you are not expected to understand this" day at special math studies group within gifted kids hs. which is hopefully a ghood thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not putting a biology section in there!
BingoBoingo: Fine, if it is edging Biology section only needs one question: "Is fire alive?"
BingoBoingo: Could work. I just dunno why alf is so anti-section b
ben_vulpes: c4: "python so that the world might participate"
mircea_popescu: avram iancu is a romanian folk hero. famously a guy answered "describe in brief the life and activity of avram iancu" task by writing down the letter R
mircea_popescu: which turns the name into "Avram takes it in the butt"
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:22:58; mircea_popescu: either < or something. esp <--- is a comment.
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fluffypony: tl;dr: decline in Ruby, Python, and C. Massive increase in Java, C#, and CSS. Javascript is #1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00070869 = 34.1589 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in fairness, if one did the same calculation for "artists", bellybutton lint would probably figure very high
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assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 02:13:39; mircea_popescu: care to put some selections on your blog ?
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 15:08:04; wyrdmantis:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1244364 asciilifeform can you explain me why this is relevant? i person i know has told me that L2 chache is irrelevant because "the working set of memory pages veryfing ECDSA signatures is extremely small and takes places also in L1” I don’t have counter-arguments with him because this is not my field but… i trust your opinion more. Also he says that
wyrdmantis: ok, so this is why bigger blocks and verification time don't scale linearly?
kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
☟︎ wyrdmantis: kakobrekla: only idiots thinks that there must be no limit. the issue is WHERE to put this limit
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches. << ok np.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: i recommend to follow the format nameofpatch.vpatch.mod6.sig << cool, sounds good.
lobbes: whenever I try to switch to e-cigs I just end up wanting real cigs
phf: double as bitcoin wallets
BingoBoingo: So far this one has adequate "burn" at the throat.
lobbes: that is a very crucial property
BingoBoingo just plans on using phone charger for this thing if I keep up with it.
assbot: Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
BingoBoingo: Rep could tell I was a loyal RJ Reynolds customer though when I merely asked for smokes and the clerk new which kind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00070642 = 9.7839 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ecigs might be the only thing in 'Murica that's gotten less shitty since 2012
lobbes: they have improved quite a bit. I remember when they were the size of markers. I had one once where the plastic mouthpiece would break at least once a month
lobbes: to make them a true replacement though, I think they'd need to simulate the ammonia and arsenic et al.
lobbes: I think I crave that as much as the nicotine heh
BingoBoingo: lobbes: My theory is they need to include more than the nicotine. There's actually a pretty potent MAOI in tobacco that persists in the smoke
BingoBoingo: But maybe it is in this mix, only testing can confirm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have to imagine extracted. Even pesticide grade nicotine is typically extracted and then isolated to my knowledge. This package says extracted from tobacco, but RJ Reynolds is not in my WoT to the extent I can take that on face value.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56081 @ 0.00070489 = 39.5309 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: I dunno if there is a cheaper way to get nicotine, even for pesticide than extracting from tobacco
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50577 @ 0.000704 = 35.6062 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: BingoBoingo: what do you think about inhaling glycerine/propylene-glycol?
BingoBoingo: A little soap can't be that bad for the lungs
phf: asciilifeform: i think there's a range. there's an ecigar (not sure how it's called) place next door, which is favored by asians and blacks. actually pipes are large and made out of machined parts, but produce massive amounts of smoke. they source nicotine oil separately, and my impression is that you can get anything from dodgy chinese stuff with flavors like "coca cola bubble gum" to u.s. local hand extracted tobacco oil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70907 @ 0.00071792 = 50.9056 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: i've always thought e-cigs can wane you off more easily than other things because you can cram so much nicotine in the juice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27693 @ 0.00071992 = 19.9367 BTC [+]
lobbes: thestringpuller: lol. Well there's somethin' about the 'pure' nicotine that doesn't do it for me with e-cigs. Though BB's point about MAOI persisting in 'traditional' tobacco smoke perhaps makes more sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dunno, seems to be blackholed somehow. the server itself is fine. the looking into continues.
mircea_popescu: i mean... what's the connection between core11.hetzner.de and verizon-gni.net
lobbes: ;;later tell trinque is deedbot- handling phuctor now too? No worries either way; I just want to make sure our gears are turning in-sync
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53560 @ 0.00071421 = 38.2531 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:16:07; asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
mircea_popescu: just the fact that "these pages don't get swapped" would prolly 3x the whole thing or some shit
mircea_popescu: i do not think there ever existed a "single task programmable computer" yet, in spite of convincing early ibm emulation. you either get signal processing or multi tasking
mircea_popescu: so it can run "this timeslicing is no longer supporterd please run upgrade"
mircea_popescu: no argument. was just pounding the more theoretical side of things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, our friends' apparently well intended conundrum is i think illustrative for the woe betid the modern man, asked to come up with "votes" on matters so far removed from his understanding.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'm curious if the size of that empire will allow the young and clueless mining derps be squashed by decade-old us foreign policy technology that their older, more politically central counterparts have long ago figured how to sink
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it up, then you can watch it then i can say something pithy about it
assbot: A leak in the bitcoin reddit, shows private messages between bitcoin developers included litecoin head developer : litecoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1JWm0Wn )
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:20:26; kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis no fucking way your name actually is "dalroverezurla"
kakobrekla: so the 5 btc went to buy silk road stuff ?
mircea_popescu: prolly went to sergent blackforce the 9th power or w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00070977 = 37.023 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: You have not rated wyrdmantis.
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.10097459 = 1.5146 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.00072101 = 78.2296 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00070977 = 13.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39507 @ 0.00070977 = 28.0409 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole as is down, being worked on, dulap should be back later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00070449 = 30.9623 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: progress is what happens when everything gradually goes to shit
jurov: ;;later tell felipelalli btc-dev l2 keys are updated once per day, if your emails still aren't accepted, i'll check it it on weekend (currently abroad, no access)
assbot: Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
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punkman: oh wrong link, 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH was supposed to be gmaxwell's address
mircea_popescu looks for the "as mp said a few months ago", doesn't find it, doesn't give a shit.
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2013 15:46:43; ozbot: FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00070361 = 70.2906 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: the 5.1099 btc was sent on 2013-11-16
punkman: kakobrekla: no that's when petertodd sent the money to Dillon
punkman: so john dillon wasn't a spook, was dpr?
assbot: You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: that's what not agreeing with me usually means. that you got some horse droppings in a portion of your brain.
mircea_popescu: there's an immense pile of people who "don't agree with mp" as if that's some sort of vanity prop.
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs. growing up happens to the best of 'em.
assbot: petertodd comments on Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. ... (
http://bit.ly/1UbtuUK )
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's plenty applicable, if one talks forks.
mircea_popescu: but by the time one talks forks to that level, some sort of much different bitcoin would be on the table anyway. with ring signatures and various other items.
mircea_popescu: " whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them" <<< ahahahaha. fucking DOH. not even usg is this fucking stupid. albeit this is not deliberately, just, the low level idiots have no access to any btc and the high level doods know better. but for that matter : usg employees don't even get fiat.
mircea_popescu: people in the camp work for a) promises of future and b) mortgage-and-meal tickets.
mircea_popescu: you think the fucktards writing "gawker" and all its clones are getting paid ? thjey aren't. they do it because i won't take them to work for qntra, and they imagine that if they persevere they can somehow prevail without needing to actually do the hard work.
mircea_popescu: this is the point easily missed. "oh, bitcoin is a 5 bn dollar system". no it's fucking not lol.
mircea_popescu: same is true of monets, but the exponential's going the other way
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform funnily, the "corner silver market" was the opposite mistake. ie, "we'll make thius a 500 bn system for no reason"
mircea_popescu: odd how selective stupidity is. it'll only do its stupid thing where it doesn';t stand a chance, but will avoid where it'd work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10102 @ 0.00070449 = 7.1168 BTC [+]
punkman: (linked from spreadcoin text)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070323 = 37.7986 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: check out gavin from 2011 : "What's the extra CPU cost for recovering the public key? Current bottleneck for bitcoin transaction processing is the CPU cost of ECDSA signature verification, not disk space or bandwidth, so saving bytes at the expense of more CPU is not the right thing to do."
mircea_popescu: it's not like he doesn't KNOW what he's doing oir anything.
punkman: "If you are part of the PGP strong set or your PGP key is on bitcoin-otc you now have a timestamp. Take your PGP fingerprint and convert that into a Bitcoin address and you'll find a 1 satoshi payment to it"
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You know of any working OpenBSD monero builds?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: binaries or building from source?
fluffypony: head should build if you "make release-static" and have the depsa
fluffypony: but I haven't checked the last few commits on BSD, so it's entirely possible we broke something
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the hash-and-nonce approach to pow originally proposed is quite obviously hackery.
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin purified of ec bullcrap could do some pretty splendid factorisation-based pow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256700 @ 0.00070277 = 180.4011 BTC [-] {5}
punkman: mircea_popescu: how's the hash pow related to ec?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28502 @ 0.00070347 = 20.0503 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, unless you have a nvidia farm you're trying to find a use for, your pow has no business being a recursive hash and shouldreally be a lot more like what phuctor's doing
mircea_popescu: that obviously reduces to a ram farm, but at least ram is a degree of magnitude more commodised than gpus.
mircea_popescu: in general, as it has been correctly observed and oft repeated, the simpler the gun, the worse for the state.
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funkenstein_: signature verification is more intensive than modinv stuff with ecdsa?
funkenstein_: it's also hard to make good rsa privkeys with dice
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gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.11, Best ask: 224.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 224.42, 24 hour volume: 75242.0072563, 24 hour low: 196.6, 24 hour high: 228.77, 24 hour vwap: None
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punkman: from Syria, to Kos and Lesvos, to the promised land of Germany and Sweden
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
trinque cranks the R.E.M., kicks back
mod6: asciilifeform: I see you attached the sigs for the vpatch files, and included the tarballs in your orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) email. I think it'd like to attach the raw .vpatch files as well as the .sigs for completeness. Anything against this other than it's a bit redundant since you already posted the tarballs of the .vpatches?
mod6: alright, i'll leave them off, and maybe just leave a linkback in the body to your message.
mod6: that way a person can find the tarballs, etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe the guy should rape some teenagers ? apparently it's how you get shit done in the queen's realms.
mircea_popescu: "helps you better understand the role of mp in shaping the 21st century"
mod6: oh i just realized something.
mod6: these sigs that you posted won't verify out-of-the box, not that i've tried. but the detached sig must match the file name with the exception of the trailing .sig on the end.
mod6: so if we do <patchname>.<wotGuy>.sig then will fail
mod6: oh aight, lemme see here...
mod6: ok, yah, works. just needed to do `gpg --verify <sigfile> <origfile>`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00069836 = 53.8086 BTC [-]
mod6: I'm about to try to fry up some of these cheese & potato pierogies .. any tips ? just fry 'em until golden brown ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00069805 = 25.1298 BTC [-]
mod6: alright, i'll just wing-it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00069781 = 2.531 BTC [-]
phf: mod6: you want to cook them in water for a bit first, and then fry them once they are cooked
mats: is it common to do that?
phf: i thought that's a standard way of cooking pierogies on account of thicker dough, you want to stuff inside to get fully cooked
phf: as opposed to say, dumplings
mats: ive tried that before and it ruined them
phf: mats: you probably overcooked them so they started falling apart
mircea_popescu: mats you need one of those wire whisks. get the water to boiling, lower them into the water, give them ~90 seconds. take out, let them drip fully, then deepfry.
mircea_popescu: (dry-deepfry is so fucking retarded i have nfi why anyone even does it tbh)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta say something to salvage the pretense.
mircea_popescu: broomstick fires first, speaks after, it's a land of magical puffery over there.
mircea_popescu: and i guarantee you they'll continue to have all the "market share" they had before : 0 actual users, a few confused people with their quarter btc and otherwise, the whole might and noise of the usg.
phf: or mp way, which is a lot more deliberate then mine, because i only ever fry leftover dumplings that were previously cooked. in any case you want the insides to get cooked too, so if you're deep frying them straight you want to cook insides first, then wrap in own dough, then fry the result
Adlai assures the concerned members of the audience that this is not from shitfinex... anybody who's written exchange APIs will probably recognize this
Adlai: if you had to ask, someday you'll know
mircea_popescu: how to bother people, entry #985468546 : pronounce adult as "a dolt". insist.
mod6: i got these ones from a lady from .ua at the farmers makert. instructions on the top said "don't cook in water", don't cook if frozen. so I let 'em thaw overnight. then just put 'em in a pan with a bit of cooking oil. simmered 'em until golden. tasted great to me!
mod6: but maybe im pierogie heathen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00070235 = 16.5755 BTC [+]
punkman: I wonder, do they sell bottles of "cooking oil" in US supermarkets? (where you have to read the fine print to figure out what it's made of)
mod6: i can go look. this is 'vegetable oil'
mod6: Ingrediant: SOYBEAN OIL
Adlai: entry #985468547 : abbreviate 'grownups' as 'groans'
mod6: ahh yah, canola, saw fields upon fields of this driving through manatoba
shinohai: rapeseed is used as a filler in cheap peanut butter in us groceries
punkman: protip: if your peanut butter doesn't develop a layer of oil at the top, it probably has hydrogenated vegetable oil in it
shinohai: smuckers makes yummy natural pb
punkman: not that hard to make at home
mod6: everytime i see that stuff on the shelf, i think, "this shit is a metephor for the whole goddamn thing."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00069781 = 3.838 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00069781 = 17.0963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49740 @ 0.00070235 = 34.9349 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 19:24:43; ascii_modem: pure noise imho
Adlai: this is merely a matter of dynamic minimum-announced-trade-size
Adlai: anybody who really cares that much should be in -trades or have their own feed