tmsr - Search: "learn" "unlearn"

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929440 << no, actually, your state is bliss, finding yourself as you are a man whom nobody taught nonsense. that you don't have to first unlearn "my hoovercraft is fulla eels" is a grand boon.

mircea_popescu: somehow the lesson that "anomie-freedom's worse than ANY KIND of slavery" still unlearned, 20 years later. "why did savannah fail ?" "dunno" "but you said somethings about it, dorky. where's the review of them ?" "not me!"

asciilifeform: i did similar thing for engl as a boy, it was terrible prep, had to unlearn later

a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:52 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.

mircea_popescu: "I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. " << that poor guy. i'd say on reflection this is utterly the engineerhead problem, "takes a whole adult life to unlearn five lines of socialist idiocy a stupid woman poured into the 3yo head"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to unite those other threads, there is ~a reason~ simulated culture, be it in the shape of "trained" bacteria or "trained" "expert systems" or whatever else "unlearn faster than they learn".

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799833 <-- but! the a, b examples I gave were *not* in any sense subtractive, read again. and by "eliminate" I mean, the words from vocabulary, unlearn them, throw to trash bin (hence "systematically"!), *not* "take monolith and prod it with toothpick" ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also 'unlearn' as quickly as 'learned', the extra crud. it dun help'em survive in the welfarestat^H^H^H^H^Hculturevat . so they ditch it

asciilifeform: valentinbuza: lemme guess, you are the victim of a recent university 'education' ? got quite bit of unlearning to do.

asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i suppose with enough dope anybody can unlearn anything..?

phf: sometimes i feel, or rather i know, that i "learned" all these time saving techniques before i had time to save, and now i must unlearn them, because they ended up wasting a lot of time

BingoBoingo: I'm already trying to unlearn it as best as I can without relapsing

BingoBoingo: dbclk: You could learn to trade like me, but that means unlearning things like "triple top"

asciilifeform: and yes, there is a lengthy unlearning required to grasp this.

gabriel_laddel: Spending a year learning elisp, and then a year unlearning it because it's a dead end isn't pragmatic at all.

mircea_popescu: "It, together with smart contracts, has been let out of Pandora’s Box – never to return, never to be unlearned, no matter how badly some of us might want it to."

asciilifeform: come to antiuni to unlearn xxxx

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Kid's just been hit with the discovery he's got a year of learning and unlearning to get to zero. Just maybe this one gets there.

asciilifeform: naturally the very concept of sitting down and solving a picture puzzle is learnable. this was clear to me. but i wanted a kind of 'carnot engine limit' of unlearnability.

asciilifeform confesses he was taught 'uk' style as a boy and had to slowly unlearn it, to much lulz

asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-unlearning-harder-than-unschooling.html << intro to mr. o's linguistic crackpottery

ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard

asciilifeform: ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.'

benkay: BingoBoingo: i strongly recommend you not fill your cup with those idiocies. there is a strong push towards things that are easy, but taking the easy route now sets you up for a whole shitton of unnecessary unlearning later.

mircea_popescu: before they unlearn the stupidities and insanities they learned and can become productive members of the community.

mircea_popescu: jurov shockingly obedience is very easy to unlearn if you're trained properly