BingoBoingo: So even though the weather has been objectively worse here this week than last, I have observed a sharp increase in the number of transmayos walking and biking outside while glued to their smartphones.
BingoBoingo: “Pokemon Go to the Polls" - Clitler July 14th, 2016
trinque: seems both love it equally
trinque: I see a european ass in the air and a brown guy having the time of his life
trinque: woah, is that stray toilet paper in uh... "front" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 21:27 asciilifeform: soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan.
BingoBoingo: Who knows? But it would probably enjoy the brown guy who would not be having the time of his life.
mircea_popescu: soviets fell because ran out of cars. i was there when they did. i will be there when these re-soviets will.
mircea_popescu: (Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα for teh curious.)
BingoBoingo: What a coinidence the next generation of smartphone surveillance would direct users to places mircea_popescu lived!
mats: i look forward to reading about the ensuing power struggle after IS gets squashed
mats: and then the subsequent IS resurgence
mats: not sure if you've been following, but they've lost a lot of territory recently
mats: ~40% according to some
mats: and they don't have planes
☟︎ mats: i expect coalition forces to succeed
☟︎ shinohai: here i thought i was the only person with insomnia in trilema
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Framedragger: lolwut, Apocalyptic was wrong by deciding to play in the wrong sandbox? Ok.
☟︎ Framedragger: regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 18:53 phf: trinque: i suggested one, ascii couldn't get past first line
jurov: Framedragger: how do you do comments with static generator? *bleh* gravatar?
☟︎ Framedragger: jurov: that, of course, is a problem. but surely "everything dynamic or everything static & no comments" is a false dichotomy? could you not have an html form which POSTs to a separate dynamic handler which is only responsible for comments? a "current comments" static html page is generated upon every new approved comment, etc.
Framedragger: (maybe i just described a spec that i should one day implement, heh)
Framedragger: i'm amused that it's hard to find something like this, i.e. static generator _and_ a comment handler component
jurov: and then you want to remove some spam and edit "current comments" file in place?
Framedragger: each comment saved as separate file, to be removed etc using normal system tools; any modifcation under tree triggers static content regeneration
jurov: and then you decide you want to store metadata for comments, that means moar files or some gnarly file format :)
Framedragger: sure, it *may* descend into madness, you're right!
Framedragger: i guess the only way to convince people would be to present a working PoC with working spam mitigation, hm.
Framedragger: but at this point im more interested to try my hand at 'p2p/federated content system', a la mp's e2e encrypted generalized forum idea, whatever this resolves to in the particular.
jurov: one step at a time, i guess
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: When I find one that seems to have this it draws the not unimportant criticism that it requires the whole Plan 9 userspace
BingoBoingo: More on the new surveillance revolution "This app [poke-a-man Go] did in 24 hours what Michelle Obama couldn’t do in eight years. It gets kids off the couch and moving."
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 06:46 mats: and they don't have planes
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure they *need* the Levant if they have France
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 06:48 mats: i expect coalition forces to succeed
mircea_popescu: but imo odds are yet another replacement group will show up. the notion of coallition success is ridiculous, the arabs are just wearing them down, exact same way they did to the french in north africa a century ago.
mircea_popescu: because they don't even VAGUELY understand wtf they're doing
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? it's not the case of a person making design decisions on some basis leading to some results.
mircea_popescu: it's the case amoeba in an agar fell upon some grains of sugar and are now taking their approximate shape, as perceived by amoebic senses
mircea_popescu: yeah, but the main problem is that the african/pacific islander notion of "water" precludes hydraulics for a number of solidly good reasons a few derivations prior.
mircea_popescu: all these in the spirit of cixi's too loud train : "water abhors metal recipients"
mircea_popescu: well fuck you jack, you're not making ceramic hydraqulics.
mircea_popescu: it's already here : raise your shitcoin holdings to whatever power you feel like and then multiply the result by zero to find out how much value you're holding.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it happens another place. ipad games!
mircea_popescu: the ~only successful ipad mmorpgs consist of exactly this : make 500 minigames loosely bunched together in a "daily activity meter" list of rewards,
mircea_popescu: people have "fun" through sheer confusion. plus they're never done playing.
mircea_popescu: "your poverty is so complicated you can literally never finish evaluating just how poor you are."
mircea_popescu: you are not in the demo even vaguely. ipad games are for millenials. kids of a very peculiar plato's cave upbringing. kids that never killed an animal with their own hands ; that never ran until they lost balance, that never fought with the boys or pulled the girl's hair an' skirts.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503180 << let it be said that if you wander into the courthouse one day and staple an invitation to your hipster fair / recruitment drive on the judge's face he'll whack you once and if that doesn't do it you'll spend the next month in county jail thinking things through. it's a thing, there's a hierarchy in realia, which obviously isn't obligatory to dreamers - up until the dog comes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 10:16 Framedragger: lolwut, Apocalyptic was wrong by deciding to play in the wrong sandbox? Ok.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 10:31 Framedragger: regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 15:57 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just a form.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 11:55 jurov: Framedragger: how do you do comments with static generator? *bleh* gravatar?
mircea_popescu: dubious if it's worth the hassle, which is ~why i never seriously pursued it.
pete_dushenski: this daylight theft wrapped up as 'transparencee' caters directly to teh aspie crowd, the kind who fancies himself genre savvy without really being so. the victim of 'taught controversy', if you will.
☟︎ trinque: yup, it's about farming "consensus"
trinque: or BingoBoingo's "the debate was had"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 14:56 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure they *need* the Levant if they have France
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 17:36 asciilifeform: if anybody reading this has used one of them gadgets, plz write in.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "no car bombs, no evil, no bad things here! best republic of freedom and fries ever invented is weee"
diana_coman: it *can* be used if one needs to in the sense that yes, one can get some job done with it, but otherwise control is rather poor, have to scroll/move hand awkwardly to cover all the screen, pen is not even very comfortable to use/grip (at least not for my hand) etc
diana_coman: this was however a tablet so not a display in itself
danielpbarron: i have a broken toshiba portege m200 that had a decent pen/touchscreen thing, but that was with winbl0wz and I can't imagine it would be easy to get that working on a linux
diana_coman: ah, I just played around a bit with it kind of tried all sorts from some basic drawing to handwriting (it was supposedly to be useful for some remote discussions kind of stuff) to mouse replacement
pete_dushenski has friends in france atm. figures that they haven't called from nth republican prison yet is a good sign.
diana_coman: hm, as far as I know it should be able to pin the part/shape based on position+pressure and then I don't see indeed why wouldn't it be able to react to turning the pen - maybe it's a precision thing?
pete_dushenski: " SW in particular has a number of strong benefits but also alters fundamental code that underpins billions of dollars in value. For this reason we have sympathy with the proposal that it be implemented in Litecoin first. After a period of 6 to 12 months SW could then be applied to Bitcoin, incorporating any lessons learned." << why not experiment with eth ? dao ? c-ripple even ? digging up ltc corpse is
pete_dushenski: like clinton digging up corpse of confucius in justifying centralised mega-bureaucracy
shinohai: Because if we don't do it to Bitcoin, we lost the war and our upboats meant NOTHING!!!!
pete_dushenski: shinohai: gotta love the '6-12 months' bit too. so vague, so comminuteee oriented, so 'when the feeling strikes'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: is it clear to you that usg has edge with scrypt over chicoms ?
diana_coman is not much into graphics but has heard more of Inkscape than Gimp
pete_dushenski: hard to believe that brokeback usg is spending $bn on anything useful just to store in industrial warehouse until majick ltc day cometh
pete_dushenski: so pardon my ignorance but what were crays used for back when they were used ?
pete_dushenski: i hesitate to ask what usg understands 'cryptoanalysis' to mean in practical terms because it's hard to fathom that it can either think or act on such terms, but...
pete_dushenski: o hey xilinx has market cap of $12 bn aka 1/30th of facebook.
pete_dushenski: looks like it's pretty obvious where their marketing efforts are going atm eh
pete_dushenski: pretty much reduces to dan's 'invisible visible god' yknow
trinque: that the thing is politically inept does not reduce to "never did anything ever"
trinque: however politically expedient
danielpbarron: Dan is not a nickname for Daniel. The former came way before the latter. Dan was a son of Jacob (Israel), Daniel was a prophet who came generations later
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'never' and 'ever' are long timeframes, granted. but where do you draw the line ?
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: well, dan isn't a nickname for daniel.... except it is. that different people are better known by one or the other doesn't change the fact that 'king dick the lionheart' is perfectly valid
trinque: "usg" is not a cohesive whole
trinque: the part which breaks cryptography for insider trading and such isn't necessarily the same which ham-handedly lights the middle east on fire
trinque: one of the interesting parts of the coming disintegration of the federal govt is getting to see what gangs exist within
a111: Logged on 2016-07-12 20:35 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, we've created a sort of monarchy without a king, basically just the court and nobody there to behead us - we'll call it democracy. if anyone inquires into the matter we can always add modern in front and it'll be all good!"
pete_dushenski: but them not being the same and the possibility of one being effective are differing considerations
pete_dushenski: they can both be different and useless. so why isn't this the case ?
trinque: "sucks because usg" is blunt and useless analysis
trinque: "usg" launched a saturn v once
trinque: I criticize "USG" as a category; it barely defines anything
☟︎ pete_dushenski: blunt, yes. useless, far from it. it's a highly efficient heuristic
trinque: yes, because this is how the allies beat the nazis, by parroting "nazis can't do anything anyway"
trinque: these nazis certainly *can* break various forms of "SSL", to pick something at random
pete_dushenski: which is why they want the internet to be 'safe' by using exactly that broken technology. sure. but this is like the hunter who only visits the zoo. can you still call him an effective hunter ?
trinque: this is precisely mircea_popescu's and asciilifeform's conversation (yesterday?) about the definition of an army
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 21:15 mircea_popescu: armies win.
trinque: so, while I loathe the creature, while it still sits there, it is *literally* still effective.
trinque: if wishes were.. or however the thing goes
trinque: $s from:asciilifeform cribbed
trinque: there is no god in the sky handing out flags for bad form
pete_dushenski: you can only say that usg is 'literally' effective if you degrade the definition of effective to the point where it's what petrocheese is to french brie
pete_dushenski: ie. not the high watermark so much as a tenuously related shadow of the thing itself
trinque: and yet it sits there, and you do not.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 17:49 asciilifeform: long ago, i tried my hand at 'sane blogging engine' and barfed; simply can't stand wwwtronic idiocy, e.g,. 'logging in', 'browser state',
https crapolade tower, css, etc.
mircea_popescu: you also don't as a matter of principle need or want
https. you might notice trilema redirects you to
http trinque: pete_dushenski: the world can not both be befouled by socialism and socialism be ineffective *at creating the products of socialism*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you need ONE magic login is what i mean, not infinity logins.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 18:26 pete_dushenski: this daylight theft wrapped up as 'transparencee' caters directly to teh aspie crowd, the kind who fancies himself genre savvy without really being so. the victim of 'taught controversy', if you will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does - login is chiefly by-ip. even if the "cookies" nonsense has not been excised.
mircea_popescu: sure sure, let someone mitm your blog. dumbest use ever.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 18:27 trinque: or BingoBoingo's "the debate was had"
trinque: BingoBoingo: ^ maybe moar weather
pete_dushenski: trinque: gotta love 'illegal attempt' to seize power. well ya, no shit. what fucking legal attempts to seize power could there possibly be ?
phf: pete_dushenski: compared to shit that came out since palm pilot script was amazing
phf: it's funny how back then was like "well, this is not quite there, but i'm sure they'll work out kinks in the future"
phf: and now people buy newtons and apples on ebay because available personal organizers are awful
phf: newtons and palms rather
phf: i couldn't afford pro level palm, had to use "visor"
pete_dushenski: it was a bit too geek chic for artsy school but i enjoyed it.
phf: i use a psion as an organizer, and i still can't get used to the fact that it looks ~good~ in direct sunlight. like it's some amazing novel technology
☟︎ phf: pete_dushenski: we've had this in logs :> it runs some form of windows ce
pete_dushenski: holy cromoly that's some lightning outside. this must be the rainiest summer in memory. every afternoon with the wet stuff!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ya, just saw that 'digital paper' isn't backlit
phf: i was really happy with the old keyboard kindle, it had free internet, and was just generally a very promising oldfag device. hardware keyboard, promising screen, ~lighter than any versions since~, had a bunch of linux hacks including a terminal. i ported a zork interpreter to it. and of course amazon doesn't care about oldfag market, so kindles went downhill fast since
phf: yeah, i have a dx too, i also have two or three small keyboard ones, but they break easily (i broke like 4 or 5) with they way i use them anyway, and since the kindle direction is clearly dodgy i just don't feel like doing anything with them
trinque: I researched those this week; pixel qi sold to an outfit that seems to be sitting on the patents
☟︎ pete_dushenski expects pokemon go to revolutionise sun limitations of screens
trinque: apparently still manufacturing
phf: or just crank up the backlight burning through battery until next recharge
trinque: I just called them actually, asking pricing and so on.
trinque: that Tripuso bought Pixel Qi's tech
trinque: asciilifeform: I've seen them wired up to controller boards that speak vga/hdmi around the net
trinque: I'm not launching a product here, lol
phf: hehe, that teardown is amusing
shinohai: I found a bug, car is pos made in America. Send bounty plox.
pete_dushenski: lol toyota camry is 'made in america' and isn't fit for the poubelle. NICE TRY.
pete_dushenski: a whole host of mercs ~are~ made in us of a, however, and yes, are little more than very expensive and equally disposable smartph0nes
shinohai: The lolz, "Germany has denied Erdogan permission to land his plane."
pete_dushenski: long gone are the days of von moltke and the close ties between prussia and the ottomans eh
☟︎ pete_dushenski: (helmuth von moltke 'westernised' the ottoman army in the 1830s)
shinohai: Well army has declared coup, so let's see how well this little drama plays out.
shinohai: Erogdan "I'm still in charge folks, I can tweet!"
☟︎ phf: trinque: where's that from?
shinohai: Obviously he is someone that thinks "open letters" to the "komoooonuity" will work.
mircea_popescu: bitco.in › ... › Bitcoin Protocol › Bitcoin Unlimited 11 ian. 2016 - BUIP011: Andrew Clifford for President Submitted 12/01/2016 I think that a lot of people will know my posts from bitcointalk, reddit, and now the
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if you recall buterin's humble beginnings as a "bitcoin magazine" gofer ?
mircea_popescu: back when the circle of derps thought they not only have some power in bitcoin, but outright control it ? 2011ish or so ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. /me vaguely considers leaving the derp a "stop posturing ; read the required material", but whatevs.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 19:02 asciilifeform: even 'deluxe paint II' for amiga (!) beats the shit out of gimp.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 19:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: recall that usg sits on top of egyptian pyramid - sized heap of fpga. why not, then, hijack an old, familiar scrypt-based altcoin, and proclaim 'see, YES WE CAN!111' etc
mircea_popescu: so yes, sits on top of pile ; much like a dog on pile of bricks.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, when i wanted specific effect i wrote it out, works fine to this day.
mircea_popescu: and littoral combat ship was built for being fast agile stealth.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 19:14 asciilifeform: cryptoanalysis.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 21:21 pete_dushenski:
https://bugcrowd.com/fca << megal0lotron. if anyone thought apocalyptic's work offers were insulting low, they haven't seen fiat chrysler's yet.
mats: its really for folks looking to pad their resume
mats: speaking from experience?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 19:28 trinque: I criticize "USG" as a category; it barely defines anything
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his observation is well grounded though. the maximum that can be extracted from victim is necessarily below the total damage the bug inflicts. which is why it's always better to sell to enemy of victim. which is why market is complex.
mircea_popescu: "how much would you pay me for information that prevents destruction of $1mn worth of materiel ?" us army : "3% of total damage as evaluated by us" ru army, in general "150% of maximal damage" and on the day before invasion, up to 1mn% of same.
mircea_popescu: time sensitive, context sensitive, for which reasons very much not a market.
mircea_popescu: anyway - i wonder at what point of turning the vice around its ballsac, usg finally relents, admits that it is way the fuck cheaper and therefore better to be friends with the smart people, throws idiots to the dogs. so we get license to capture humanities majors from horseback on campus, and they get the default immunity they like to pretend they currently have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. quite. different path to same problem.
mircea_popescu: everything is a possibility that wasn't visible as one. the only things that never happen are the perceived alternatives.
mircea_popescu: which is why in highschool interest tv dramas, the 2nd choice never gets laid. it's either the main or the dark horse.
trinque: and scientology couldn't possibly infiltrate and seize tax exempt status.
mircea_popescu: can just as well exist as "fascist" version of socialism.
trinque: the "government" isn't a thing independent of the people in it, which should be obvious
trinque: but seems to always be considered as leviathan
trinque: and trump couldn't possibly "republican" and so on
mircea_popescu: and as its survival is actually its only paramount value (recall george costanza in the fire scene ? "without leaders we'd all be lost! i had to survive" - life as supreme value perversely translates to, perpetuation of socialism state at expense of all life), it WILL at some point spontaneously recrystalize from "modern democracy" socialism to national socialism.
mircea_popescu: not a question of if, even. a question of how much stress required before it pops.
mircea_popescu: and similarly re concentration camps. whenever you have socialism in power, you eventually DO get the camps. this isn't open to discussion.
mircea_popescu: i wish to buy caged "modern feminist" by the pound. eventually, usg WILL sell this product to me.
mircea_popescu: gotta spend the bitcoin wealth on something. the worthy is always a good choice.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 19:55 asciilifeform: speaking of which, i'd still like to know where bock got all of those pubkeys that aren't in sks.
mircea_popescu: occam proposes "they were just made up". wanted to make his list look "complete" thus it had to be longer ; failed to realise phuctor is AN ACTUAL THING rather than the drawing of a thing, and so will find some more still.
mircea_popescu: so moved on to phase 2 of the usg.asset cycle, where he's now dormant and periodically fed contribution vomit.
phf: "Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work (fusion.net)"
phf: "Why Did American Cats Get Blamed for So Many Divorces? (atlasobscura.com)"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 20:43 asciilifeform: not even every purse.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 20:47 phf: i use a psion as an organizer, and i still can't get used to the fact that it looks ~good~ in direct sunlight. like it's some amazing novel technology
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why the fuck anyone would use the toy shits. if your affairs CAN be organized by the machine, you don't have affairs complex enough to require outside help. stop wasting your time with the thing and work teh noggin.
☟︎ phf: i have hard time keeping track of when i have various appointments, so i use an external "agenda" app. i'd be as well served by a paper calendar
mircea_popescu: or else by a hardcore "if i can't remember you, we have no meeting"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess it's funny to the outside observer, but here's me doing a complete reversal re the book discussion. there really isn't any way to make the 2cm thick, a6 agenda fit in silicon.
mircea_popescu: if you're young / poor / just starting out, you need the paper thing. if you're large enough, the next step is, assistant(s). there's just no way little pocket beeper figures in this line that my mind groks.
mircea_popescu: about the only argument would be "well, that stuff is dangerous, and electronic version can have a proper unbreakable lock put on it". this'd weigh a lot more if YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET CRYPTO ONES!
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503490 << we see no such thing. she's (by which we mean, the system people that manhandled her into running for them) entirely desperate, going to lose spectacularly in november, willing to try literally everything. if i could show her 1mn trump votes in half dozen states, she'd write numbers on her tits for us here.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 21:03 asciilifeform: i'ma guess it now services usg (e.g., 'general dynamics' army laptops) solely.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying its a bad thing-that-it-is. just... you know the item i'm talking about ?
mircea_popescu: you gotta, it was in ru in the 90s just as well as in ro and so on.
phf: is it one of those with the "leather" outside and the rings?
mircea_popescu: a-page-a-day sort of items ; you can take all sorts of not-readily-verbalizable notes in there. it's essentially the year's doodle collection, i have no idea how you'd alphabetize that.
phf: yeah, those were actually handy. i used to keep agenda in a "moleskine" year planner, but those get ratty 6 months in
mircea_popescu has had to arbiter more disputes that entirely hinged on a quickly scrawled set of three lines with dots on them than he cares to remember.
mircea_popescu: thanks fucking god gpg doesn't clearsign such nonsense.
phf: this position is at odds with your "no notes unless i can grep through them" somewhere in the logs. i don't know if i would necessarily care to grep through an agenda, but i somehow have more useful notes on paper, than i have on machine, despite trying very hard to computerize
mircea_popescu: it's a separation of jobs thing. i fail to mentally divorce the point of "organizer" from entirely unverbalized, doodlery. getting an "organizer" is not, to my mind, unlike getting a cock holder made out of lego bricks.
mircea_popescu: dude... wet, soft, fleshy things go in there. lego bricks are for something else.
mircea_popescu: granted this may just as well be me being patently insane.
phf: fwiw it's not any more insane than carrying a psion 5mx around
mircea_popescu: phf there's a very substantial difference between THESE notes, ie, business planning and whatever they are, daily minutia ; and the notes there contemplated, which are subject of science, and entirely useless if not verbalized.
mircea_popescu: you may call both notes, but they're entirely unrelated items. i want excellent records of any experiment i ever run ; but not of any flirting.
mircea_popescu: not that i'd ever or have ever typed on anything but a proper fucking desktop keyboard. even the laptop is annoying to me because off spacing.
☟︎ phf: it also ties into your point that one must keep a blog
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 21:57 pete_dushenski: long gone are the days of von moltke and the close ties between prussia and the ottomans eh
phf: sometimes i feel, or rather i know, that i "learned" all these time saving techniques before i had time to save, and now i must unlearn them, because they ended up wasting a lot of time
mircea_popescu: today it's more a sort of metastasized south tirol / bulgaria. whatever-her-name german chick fine representative of the eastern values and mentalities prevalent.
mircea_popescu: nothing's overdone by "civilised" folk more than "preparing" youth for "life". it does get nuts in spots.