assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4597 @ 0.00090555 = 4.1628 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: this is educational as well. i am surprised at the patterns that fool it.
mike_c: um, not sure exactly what the challenge was. i'm done!
ozbot: Edit fiddle - JSFiddle
mike_c: i could publish an arbitrary number of long strings of numbers that win
mike_c: you can just play and win
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00090665 = 4.8052 BTC [+]
mike_c: you have JS on at all? i could publish the html/js somewhere else
mike_c: i can provide strings of arbitrary length
mircea_popescu: pastebin.com ? dpaste.com ? something that actually spits out text
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that site threw at me, but it didn't werk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was going to be my killing blow once he failed.
mircea_popescu: ok, but the game was beat your opponent not beat the idea of chess
mike_c: hang on, creating html file you can download and play locally
mircea_popescu: twist : that playing was generally a better use of that time than the alternatives they had
wao-ender: mircea_popescu: and my Q is, did you made some progress on it?
wao-ender: also, I have in my head some cat bonds, did you heard of them?
wao-ender: what do you think of? I just had talk with some guy who is pro in risk assests managment
mike_c: so you can play as normal, except it hints you what to press next
mircea_popescu: aite, they've been used for ~2 years to cover the options bot on mpex
mircea_popescu: mike_c da heck is that, you're just recursing the algo lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00091086 = 15.2205 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: exactly! much more fun.
mike_c: what, a counter-bot has to be complicated? :)
mike_c: it's pretty counter. i'm up like 100-0
mike_c: i assumed we were not connecting semantically on the challenge. i did it for fun :)
ozbot: The Cubli: a cube that can jump up, balance, and 'walk' - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.09299994 = 2.232 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2929 = 0.5858 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02259 = 0.1581 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02259 = 0.113 BTC [+]
ozbot: Facebook Announces Pricing of Follow-On Offering - Facebook
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04886599 = 1.466 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04888 = 1.5153 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7685 @ 0.00091072 = 6.9989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34367 @ 0.00090799 = 31.2049 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20628 @ 0.00090625 = 18.6941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14889 @ 0.00090511 = 13.4762 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: what's the best bitcoin accepting VPS provider these days?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15293 @ 0.00090526 = 13.8441 BTC [+] {2}
pizzaman1337: wait, I wonder if you can use AWS with an amazon gift card, which you could buy with BTC...
pizzaman1337: no, I mean, something I can trust more than a shell on some else's box. I want root.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 315 @ 0.001 = 0.315 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009035 = 3.614 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Air Force disciplines nuke general for alcohol binge
Duffer1: push button to end our species
pizzaman1337: I guess it depends on your definition of root?
mircea_popescu: after his alcohol-fueled binge on a two-day visit to Moscow in July that included a late-night meeting with local women and offensive behavior to his Russian hosts.
mircea_popescu: who offended russians by drinking ? is this alternate ustard reality or something ?
Duffer1: maybe he dissed their vodka
BingoBoingo: Obviously this disciplinary case should have been referred to me for adjudication
ozbot: An American nuclear general gets fired for booze-fuelled Moscow bender.
mircea_popescu: Carey interrupted a monastery tour guide with slurred speech, sulked on a group walk through Red Square and later tried to sing with a band at a Mexican restaurant in Moscow. They refused to let him.
mircea_popescu: clearly the man is not fit for any job. he is not bland, he is not overlycautious
mircea_popescu: "I've never been more embarrassed professionally in my life with a senior member." aka, you should see the junior members.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i wonder how many shitty officers are breathing easy now, because they won't get fired because well... they dont' get drunk so it's all ok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04888 = 0.4888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12975 @ 0.00090325 = 11.7197 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090625 = 3.2625 BTC [+]
Duffer1: well he can't get it on SR any more so where else is he going to get hooked up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.04888 = 1.5642 BTC [+]
KRS1: thought sr was back up
KRS1: havent others popped up now
mircea_popescu: wao-ender incidentally : bitbet is a cat bond escrow by default.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.049399 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00090248 = 11.4615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.08122499 = 0.9747 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8373 @ 0.00089998 = 7.5355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2254 @ 0.00089789 = 2.0238 BTC [-] {2}
KRS1: fwiw sources are saying btc market could correct down to ~ $360 - $400's market price
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 10562 BTC profit, 35.3k BTC invested, 364.83 mio bets, 4.64 mio BTC wagered
ozbot: NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report | The Verge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bozocrypt is better because secret sauce.
fiat500: "KRS1> fwiw sources are saying "
fiat500: sources? bitcoin market insiders?
fiat500: im just imagining some dude with 1000s of BTC saying "yeah i want to sell off super fast such that i cause the price to plummet and in turn lose a lot of money"
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
fiat500: kakobrekla: what did i slander exactly?
CuWireBeard: "resurrected"? Is that what they're calling it nowadays
mircea_popescu: CuWireBeard its one of the original global scam exchange "investments"
fiat500: in my mind this is worse than a scam, its just sheer incompetence, how do you collect 900 btc for hardware purchases and end up sourcing only 28TH/s for delivery sometime next year?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0008873 = 10.9138 BTC [-]
fiat500: thats 30btc im never going to see again, breaks my heart really
fiat500: iirc goat was closer to 140btc into this
fiat500: nah he traded in some hw for 700 shares at ~0.2
fiat500: spoke to him last week, he's around
fiat500: more creative destruction of wealth, its a new economy
Duffer1: how did i know that was going to be about nokawa
kakobrekla: cant belive "one guy vs random" gets so much coverage
mike_c: funniest part of that article: nakowa donated 10btc to the people in the chat room at the time, including the author. the author proceeded to gamble it away immediately.
Duffer1: i'm surprised it's on the jd blog, highlighting the tragedy of gambling addiction would drive users away, or make them more disappointed in themselves for staying
kakobrekla: its some fans blong isnt it? not official or anyhting
kakobrekla: but blong isnt such bad word either, should be used for something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9388 @ 0.00089124 = 8.367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00088964 = 4.5372 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It's just a matter of figuring out what sort of format a blong is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008926 = 4.463 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yeah but dont do it, dont short btc or blong.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1350 @ 0.00088808 = 1.1989 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: blong being a away to say long on btc could make the20year and his real estate venture shorting blong
mircea_popescu: hello sir. i am with fortune a business company of the united states and would like to short blong
kakobrekla: and so the power puff, errr, new word was born.
Duffer1: Earthcoin just launched if anyone here is interested in LTC clones that have zero innovation
CuWireBeard: How many Earthcoins do I need for a tree to be planted in my name on Earth Day?
Duffer1: they made the block reward like a 12 month long sin wave because.. who knows
Duffer1: the first 6 months it will peak at 12k block reward then fall to 8k block reward during the following 6 months
Duffer1: seems like they're trying to increase volatility to get better margins as they fleece suckers on cryptsy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00088088 = 17.7057 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: there's dog-coin, earth-coin and everything-else coin so far, but no girlfriend-coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i wonder why sex coin didn't survive...
Duffer1: howcome there isn't a MP coin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0008817 = 10.3159 BTC [+] {2}
fiat500: did he end up selling at some point or is he still all in? anyone know?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00088259 = 7.6785 BTC [+]
ozbot: European Union Stripped of AAA Credit Rating at S&P - Bloomberg
Duffer1: star citizen needs to be a real thing right now that i can play
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21929 @ 0.00088192 = 19.3396 BTC [-] {3}
Duffer1: have you seen the hanger footage on youtube?
fiat500: "The downgrade “changes nothing,” President Francois Hollande of France, Europe’s second-largest economy, told reporters today after a summit of European leaders in Brussels."
fiat500: what is the point of having a rating at all?
fiat500: i mean given the notion that a downgrade 'changes nothing' - seems like he should be arguing it was undeserved, not that it is meaningless
Duffer1: oh ya politicians say things but all i hear is bbzzzzzzzz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00087815 = 9.8353 BTC [-]
benkay: BingoBoingo: why some insane algol derivative and not a lisp?
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm trying to put myself in a position to appreciate the better things when I have the background to leverage them.
benkay: you wouldn't go learn to do things the wrong way just to hear your sensei tell you to pour out two years of practice, would you?
benkay: BingoBoingo: i strongly recommend you not fill your cup with those idiocies. there is a strong push towards things that are easy, but taking the easy route now sets you up for a whole shitton of unnecessary unlearning later.
benkay: obviously, i don't know anything about anything and my 'advice' on programming matters should be regarded as highly suspect
benkay: but i gather that you don't actually need to be scripting python, and the cleaner the break with whatever your past is (Java especially), the easier of a time you're going to have wrapping your head around the functional approach.
benkay: once you get into the class-based systems (which Python libraries inevitably drive you to), Python is just Java lacking a few particular flakes of shit.
fiat500: benkay: sounds like a condemnation of OO/imperative programming in general
benkay: in large corporations where they hire labor.
fiat500: fp is not the most elegant/efficient way to express solutions to every problem
fiat500: i think you are conflating the 'where' with the 'why'
fiat500: which of my two statements do you find issue with?
benkay: neither. i don't quite understand your comment about wheres and whys, tho.
benkay: this is a highly contextual conversation between BingoBoingo and myself, albeit in a public domain.
fiat500: hm, sorry, guess i was missing context then
fiat500: my point was that the size of the corporation (or really more generally, where a problem is being solved) does not have a bearing on the type of problem being solved
fiat500: in the context of fp vs imperative
benkay: sounds like you're assuming BigCorp can select even an approximately appropriate tool for a job.
fiat500: how do you define bigcorp?
fiat500: are we excluding tech companies from this?
benkay: has mgmt that thinks that sw dev teams of greater than 10 members are an acceptable idea.
benkay: doesn't understand nonlinear comms overhead.
BingoBoingo: Well, generally generic BigCorp wants fungible workers, and they generally use blub as a tool to keep workers fungible.
fiat500: fb fits that description, and fb is really good at using say - haskell - as the right tool for some of their internal analytics
benkay: ya and their deploy strategy is also "compile php to c and torrent it around the internal network"
benkay: so you tell me if that's a mature dev environment.
benkay: there's a whole stack of shit that bothers me about OOP
benkay: first, OOP is designed to get people hammering keyboards as quickly as possible, which is orthogonal to teaching humans how computers actually work.
benkay: the pathological case being the .NET Mort.
fiat500: i think my point is, while fb is rather large, has sw dev teams > 10 members, and uses OOP for many things, they also use fp where it makes sense
benkay: yeah i just can't accept FB as an example of a mature and sustained development environment delivering business value.
benkay: of course they have dev teams > 10
BingoBoingo: I don't think .NET and OOP are equivalently problematic. OOP can be useful in cases. Somethings want to be objects. I mean CLOS is a thing. The problem is what happens once you make an object.
benkay: ya well, brain surgery lasers are great in the hands of brain surgeons
benkay: problem is everyone wants to make tools that make computing 'simpler' 'easier' 'more understandable'
benkay: but all of these layers of abstraction get in between problems and people who can fix them.
fiat500: if you think of objects as just structs with function pointers, its hard to argue that an object is an inappropriate way to represent state in a stateful system
benkay: i lean towards the monadic approach these days.
benkay: but what about the insane method inheritance?
benkay: how do I teach someone what the ever loving fuck is going on in a Django project?
benkay: a string has a .split method? give me a break!
benkay: i'm fresh out of a code retreat with some humans who really grok oop and yet failed to put together class hierarchies to implement the game of life in 45 minutes.
fiat500: not to defend django or python, but a split method is useful enough that it should probably exist somewhere - where would you put it?
benkay: in a library of functions
benkay: that operate on a wide variety of data structures
fiat500: ok, i see what you're getting at here
benkay: i come at this all from a weird non cs perspective, so i'm sure a lot of the conclusions that i've come to are completely bogus.
fiat500: the problem arises where a newer, more efficient implementation is found at some point, and the internal structure of the string must change (consider it getting generalized to a rope, as an extreme and ridiculous example)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13593 @ 0.00087945 = 11.9544 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: in my world, functions take arguments and return values.
fiat500: now this external library of functions must become aware of this change and handle it
benkay: hopefully ones fundamental data structures aren't evolving too quickly
fiat500: NSDictionary in the land of cocoa, changes its internal structure based on its contents
fiat500: it switches to a more optimal data structure when its size gets large enough
benkay: this is a pretty common implementation of data structures, right?
fiat500: not saying its great, just a choice made by the designers, i think it adds a nice variety to the mix
benkay: well to return to the topic of my rant
benkay: when someone sits down to hammer out some OOP, they look at the code surrounding what they need to write, and they copy out stuff that looks like what they've seen and it just works.
BingoBoingo: You know what language really makes sense. TeX
benkay: the OOP dream of the nineties is alive in Py-thon...Py-thon!
benkay: but to really understand what's happening they need to understand the class that they're subclassing, what the hell subclassing is, how instances of classes get new-ed the fuck up, all this absurd cognitive overhead
fiat500: versus writing everything from scratch?
fiat500: i think the most egregious example of this is c++, not python
benkay: vs understanding that functions take input arguments and return values
BingoBoingo: Eh, C++ is what the first programming classes I'd taken were conducted in.
benkay: given the same inputs you'd have a tough time convincing me there's a good reason not to...
fiat500: BingoBoingo: i mean in the sense that many people who are using c++ don't really understand wtf is going on behind the scenes
BingoBoingo: Before that though I banged away in motorola 68k assembler on the TI-89 and mac
fiat500: benkay: thats a great way to solve some problems, not really great for stateful systems
BingoBoingo: fiat500: Why shouldn't you be ale to change the system as it runs?
benkay: fiat500: there are exceptions.
fiat500: i dont think i said you shouldnt be able to... im saying you should
benkay: fiat500: OOP leads the programmer to encapsulate state in the most insane places possible.
fiat500: benkay: yeah, not gonna dispute this, i see it all the time, and not just with novices
benkay: all fp does is urge you at a language level to do something sane with your state.
benkay: panacea to the BigCorp software dev problem
benkay: probably never will be, relationship of comms overhead to number of devs on team being what it is.
fiat500: perhaps instead of bigcorp you mean "unsophisticated"
benkay: exercise for the reader and all that
benkay: consider it a shit test for dev ability
benkay: "can you fp? okay. you've got 3 months to demonstrate competence."
benkay: it's typically obvious after 2 weeks when they can't.
benkay: point being: oop has layers and layers of absurd needless complexity.
benkay: there are lisps for every platform these days
benkay: but BingoBoingo wouldn't you like your platform to support true parallelized operation eh eh eh?
ozbot: fuckit 1.0.0 : Python Package Index
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't mind a Macintosh SE/30 with less magic smoke than the last one produced.
benkay: next computer i get excited about comes from the asciilifeform labs
benkay: next computer my company actually buys me is a well-designed thing whose default ctags implementation doesn't recurse
fiat500: "This module is like violence: if it doesn't work, you just need more of it."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2928 = 0.5856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11535 @ 0.00088004 = 10.1513 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.002904 = 0.3311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00087974 = 16.847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00088148 = 4.4074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00088148 = 3.9667 BTC [+]
ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 2009 blocks | Estimated Change: -15.8654% in 16d 3h 52m 29s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 727 @ 0.00088182 = 0.6411 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11775 @ 0.00088324 = 10.4002 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 22017.358 bitcoins offered at or under 1250.0 USD, worth 20955828.2806 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0979 seconds
jurov: Please note that while Danny enjoys interacting with the forum and answering questions when he can, he is still the CEO of the company, and thus is quite busy most of the time.
jurov: busy indeed.. extracting bitcoins from weexchange
jurov: Hello everyone, this account will be used for Neo investor-related updates and communications going forward, rather than the ThickAsThieves one.
jurov: Please whitelist this account for business use. I will follow up with a post from my main account, ThickAsThieves.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00088324 = 8.5674 BTC [+]
bevardis1: Hey guys. I want to buy some bitcoins. How fast is it possible to do it with a reasonable price (not more than 20% increase, hopefully <10%)? I have paypal, credit card, etc. I'm european. Looking for advice here, not offers :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00088324 = 3.7096 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002905 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.001 = 0.139 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.292775 = 1.1711 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29289999 = 1.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 373 @ 0.0026792 = 0.9993 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: Bernankoin v1.2 released, dual QE scheduled for january, affirmative action later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.27880201 = 1.394 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Poltergeist behaviour haunts St. John's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: brutally poor standard of journalism haunts st. john's news team
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00087911 = 9.0109 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: This is more of a haunting than a poltergeist behavior which tends to be more violent. My wife and I have had many strange unexplained experiences happen also. I am no so keen on mediums though. There are only a few in the world that are actually any good at being specific or accurate.
gribble: Current Blocks: 276215 | Current Difficulty: 1.1809231952580261E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 278207 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1097402926.23 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.07246
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00088177 = 6.2861 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00088136 = 8.1085 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1988 blocks | Estimated Change: -18.5612% in 16d 8h 45m 5s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00283413 = 0.1786 BTC [+] {5}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00088294 = 13.2882 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: world war 3 will be different, in that it won't be called world war 3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29288977 = 1.4644 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13909 @ 0.00088324 = 12.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7591 @ 0.0008834 = 6.7059 BTC [+]
pankkake: got a "coinchat is back" mail. I thought that was TradeFortress' thing?
ozbot: Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00087754 = 8.1374 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: wonder if governments will regulate mining pools one day
pankkake: they have every incentive to do so… but pools are also easy to hide
pankkake: perhaps at the cost of some latency
pankkake: regulation is "drowning by bureaucracy"
pankkake: I would think more like forbid "bad" transactions
pankkake: I aim to sell Bernankoin to the USG!
pankkake: it's funny that no matter how hard you try to make a bad coin, people go out there to "promote" it
pankkake: yeah, that's should be my next project
pankkake: quite a lot of work, but sure should pay in the long run
ozbot: Stolen Target Credit Cards Are Selling For $20 - $100 Each - Forbes
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin, WebMoney, PerfectMoney, and traditional wire transfers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5275 @ 0.00087708 = 4.6266 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: They can be bought using, of course, Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin
ThickAsThieves: (Amusingly, one of my normal Bitcoin sources emailed me to say, “ If Target accepted Bitcoins, 40 million individuals would have been protected.”
ThickAsThieves: "The only good news: Krebs reports that the Target thieves did not get the cards CVV2 — that 3 or 4 digit security number printed on back of cards — which means they can’t do any online shopping with the cards. "
pankkake: credit cards is the worst security ever
pankkake: I don't even understand how something so bad can exist
mircea_popescu: because they were made before the internet forced tech up everyone's throat, by people who believe in legal solutions.
mircea_popescu: and any government that asserts any sort of infringement on teh republic of bitcoin's sovereignity, such as by purporting to "tax" bitcoins or to "regulate" mining etc is thereby declaring war, and will feel the full wrath and might of said republic.
ThickAsThieves: what if gov uses some roundabout means of internet control to impede bitcoin
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2929 = 1.4645 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: likely bitcoin will use some roundabout means of internet control to impede nonsense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00088045 = 9.9491 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the relation of bitcoin to the web, mpoe-pr ?
ThickAsThieves: you think bitcoin would stay healthy without it the net?
mod6: bitcoin will find a way. if anything, i think we'd build our own communications network if we needed to.
mod6: paul revere style light signals or even smoke signals would work.
knotwork: web and net are different, web is just another thing that uses the net as transport, much like bitcoin is
knotwork: bitcoin does depend on having some kind of net though if only sneakers-and-paper-wallets net
knotwork: print out a buy order GPG message to mpoe-pr and snailmail it to a penpal in Romania who drops it in a dead-drop for MPOE-spy to pick up
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how is bitcoin related to the web, sweriously
knotwork: run your local fork via sneakernet all year, then put it on santa's plate with his cookies and milk so when he zooms around the world faster than light he picks them all up, maybe even has a copier in his sleigh to copy it so he puts in your stocking all the chaisn from all the kids he visited before you
knotwork: so we'd have one year to two year long forks in progress constantly
knotwork: maybe less if easter bunny and tooth fairy help him
knotwork: or we could use acoustic modems over long distance phone lines but that is so much less elegant, albeit shorter forks. UUCP to the rescue, whee!
knotwork: subscribe to an alt.blockchains.bitcoin newsgroup, presto
mircea_popescu: probably a sort of point to point over wireless is already happening in the major cities
knotwork: ho yeah sure go ahead put Santa out of a job already, fine. :)
knotwork: you can do UUCP over ham radio though sure
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves part of the problem is perhaps that you're confusing the internet and the web
knotwork: The north pole is probably a big aerial for christmas ham radio anyway as well as a faster than light communicator so Santa can stay in touch with the Ms. wheil delivering prezzies.
knotwork: yeah somewhere between thrown in the deep end to learn to swim and thrown out of an airplane to incentivise inventing a parachute there is a slope of some slipperiness or lack of slipperiness or nasty friction or razor blades or something
mircea_popescu: anyway, the parachute argument eschews the infinity problem.
mircea_popescu: after you're done throwing an infinite number of people out of the airplane
mircea_popescu: there's an infinite number of people still using the airplane.
mircea_popescu: nobody can win the war on concepts, be they purely theoretical like heliocentrism or quite sordid like psychoactives,
knotwork: if there are an infinate number of people in the airplane then relativity maybe should indicate there must also be an infinite number of moments of time?
mircea_popescu: and the airplane throwing thing is a fascinating exercise in impotence.
knotwork: if so maybe we can later after inventing parachute put in an infinite number of parachutes, and even back when we built the first infinite-capacity airplane it would have all those parachutes that will eventually be invented?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10219 @ 0.00087684 = 8.9604 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00088138 = 16.6581 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02102 = 0.2102 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0008827 = 8.2453 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11409 @ 0.00088425 = 10.0884 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: anyone know offhand what daily volume is at havelock?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8472 @ 0.00088446 = 7.4931 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5728 @ 0.00088463 = 5.0672 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.048801 = 0.1952 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002905 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00088463 = 12.9156 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2084 @ 0.00012 = 0.2501 BTC [+]
zach_: hey i have a question for a mod or someone from bitbet
zach_: does bitbet work with people sending funds from coinbase?
nubbins`: i think some guy got burned doing that a while ago
nubbins`: coinbase cheaped out on the tx fee, guy missed a bet deadline
pankkake: coinbase is known for sending transactions late, too
zach_: na i'm asking because i saw on smoeother betting site that coinbase did not work for sending money to them, something about it sending it back to the same address, just like bitbet does, and there being issues with that
pankkake: but if you're early enough, why not, just be sure to specify an address manually
pankkake: bitbet allows you to have a custom address, it won't necessarily use the sending address
zach_: ok, how do i contact someone from bitbet then
zach_: not totally sure but i don't think i specified a different address to receive
pankkake: I don't think you have a way to prove you were that transaction
pankkake: well you can see the out address on the public bet list
mircea_popescu: zach_ as long as you control the destination address, you'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: if however you send in such a way that your transaction doesn't make it before the bet closes, you're screwed.
zach_: if i did not enter an address, it will just get sent back to coinbase correct? does that work are are there problems with that
mircea_popescu: this means, not using shitty services that don't add a fee to txs, and not betting late.
mircea_popescu: if you did not enter an address then coinbase thanks you for your donation.
twizt: lol so many half assed designed services
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002904 = 0.2904 BTC [-]
zach_: why would it not just go back to that same coinbase wallet, that is my wallet
twizt: zach_: i think that answer depends on how coinbase is designed...
twizt: anything we say is mere speculation
Jere_Jones: Was the 1B difficulty bet the largest bitbet ever?
mircea_popescu: zach_ because it is likely that coinbase uses some sort of minimal security.
mircea_popescu: this means that it sweeps its btc into a cold wallet, which also means it will be paying from addresses it controls,
zach_: ok so if a bet has not resolved yet is there a way to change the address for it to send payouts
mircea_popescu: no, there is no way to change addresses it sends payouts to. otherwise everyone would cash in on everyone else's bets.
zach_: i can prove from my coinebase transaction history that the bet in question was sent by me
twizt: zach_: i think their cust serv would be the best suited to answer your question
mircea_popescu: zach_ then you could i suppose pester them to credit it, when it shows up. in general however you should not be doing this.
zach_: no cuz i can show i sent it from my address to the given address it said to place the bet
mircea_popescu: does coinbase actually allocate addresses to users, like a sort of wallet ?
Namworld: Not really. How would you prove you sent that transaction? You can't. A screenshot isn't good enough. I could make a screenshot and edit it 50 times for all amounts and claim all bets as mine.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i assumed they allow him to sign with the address ?
Namworld: Try showing coinbase the transaction out was sent to bitbet and it came back as a winning bet, if it happens you win.
Namworld: Not sure. I don't know how coinbase wallets are designed
twizt: this isnt coinbase' cust service chat lol
mircea_popescu: so the guy can ask. course... always a good idea to ask before rather than after lol
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00088189 = 11.6409 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: ok so i cant figure out which box is connected as kakobreklaaa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00088165 = 8.023 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
mircea_popescu: and for all the talk of displeasure, if one compares the
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00088054 = 32.1837 BTC [-] {4}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 632 @ 0.00087963 = 0.5559 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18888 @ 0.00087736 = 16.5716 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00296707 = 0.448 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29289999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10004 @ 0.00087667 = 8.7702 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9520 @ 0.00088163 = 8.3931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7876 @ 0.00088413 = 6.9634 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 569 @ 0.00290279 = 1.6517 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00283127 = 0.3539 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1: Scarlett vs Naniwa on now, 14 btc prize
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00088548 = 10.183 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.msg3947084#msg3947084
kakobrekla: not like he knew the amt of fake euro debt he took upon himself from the start
ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1944 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5864% in 12d 7h 48m 27s
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 324 @ 0.00088548 = 0.2869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12094 @ 0.0008841 = 10.6923 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i still don't know how they manage to be so well picked ffs.
ThickAsThieves: seem absurd now, likely later, and obvious the week before
mircea_popescu: allow me to rehash the usual arguments : this bet calls for a 50% increase in deployed hash power within a month.
Duffer1: banking on bfl delivering their monarchs tat? :P
mircea_popescu: if you went to the us army and said "you have to increase your firepower by 50%. you have one month. you can't get a bank loan for this"
Duffer1: and hashfast too i suppose
ThickAsThieves: mp you act like they need to decide in the present to deply PHs
mircea_popescu: and the humans got 5 ph and the elves 7 and the dwarves only 3 cause they were midgets
mircea_popescu: maybe there's someone in a cave somewhere, never turned it off.
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ThickAsThieves: "Not only did the company have to create something that minimized the risk of clot formation, but it also had to ensure that the device was repairable and reliable."
ThickAsThieves: Hello, can I speak with customer service, my heart has stopped functioning. Please hold.
mircea_popescu: people spendign 12 mn to buy mining gear in a month ? definitely.
mircea_popescu: maybe this is how bitcoin dies, we run out of longints to save the diff.
ozbot: BitBet - Network Difficulty under 20 million.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088352 = 7.9517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00088077 = 18.32 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.00043098 = 0.1733 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00088072 = 3.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00088027 = 2.0546 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: got a word from inside of bitstamp, mysql server with no replication and once per day local mysql dump
fiat500: such redundancy, much integrity, many backup, so wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00088352 = 3.8433 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.2929 = 6.4438 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.79378050 BTC to 9`575 shares, 18734 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00087974 = 12.8882 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: When asked about their shared Catholic faith, Eszterhas said of Gibson, "In my mind, his Catholicism is a figment of his imagination."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;google the many ways mpex
benkay: man google hates trilema
mpexbot: benkay: S.NSA Bids: ['46213 @ 0.00012', '50000 @ 0.000107', '54387 @ 0.000105', '20000 @ 0.0001', '1000 @ 0.0001']
mpexbot: benkay: Asks: ['7500 @ 0.00014', '10000 @ 0.00015', '9220 @ 0.00016', '35000 @ 0.00017', '50000 @ 0.00021']
gribble: Error: "duckduckgo" is not a valid command.
benkay: nanotube's an nsa stooge.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00088038 = 14.4823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10043 @ 0.00088081 = 8.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00088376 = 22.094 BTC [+] {2}