mircea_popescu: “They have an opportunity right now to work towards a better solution, and not face further charges,” he said.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. check out who has "an opportunity" and who sets the limits of who gets what opportunities.
mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Dude knows he's not going to get any sleep because he's been briefed on how the Bundy ranch defense still stands years later.
punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes If you really intend to be the lord of cascadia you prolly ought to start negotiating borders and such
mircea_popescu: apparently not, lol, i can't even get a partay started :D
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:38:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was just trying to pass along some txn on the cheap.
mircea_popescu: the gist of it is that guy wants a copy of a certain txn
mircea_popescu: "He said hostility toward federal employees is taking a toll on the entire community." ahahahaha orly. is it.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:07:54; mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?
mircea_popescu: there's really nothing wrong with bending over and taking in the ass. women the world over do it every day.
mircea_popescu: anyway, much to my contradicted disbelief, the consensus among unconnected, aparatchick chicks on okc seems to be that "well, a) trump will win and b) that'll be tghe end of any federal government"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they know, right ? but then again... anthropologist's irk. how did all these unrelated derps manage to come to the same story.
mircea_popescu: literally, instead of nulla bonam the endorsement was G.T.
mircea_popescu: all it'd take would be for the ceiling to not be raised.
mircea_popescu: all president needs to say is that well, we're not raising it.
mircea_popescu: just sit on hands next budget scandal. scheduled for... 2016.
mircea_popescu: ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude.
mircea_popescu: however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head << Carter nearly tried, also nearly eaten by rabbit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Typical black twitter drama, but Oregon militia gets banned.
BingoBoingo: Not mean to parse, it's essentially a long explative denoting anger
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00049598 = 16.5905 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He used to play pokemon with concussions. Retired as a master after collecting them all.
pete_dushenski: "Examples: 1.) Our mid-terms are coming up soon, so you better be about it and study hard to pass. 2.) As a member of the National Association of Black Journalist, we are expected to be about it."
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:10:26; punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "During the year, landlords raised rents as much as 15% in the Brush Park district, 14% in New Center and 10% in the areas around Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, according to a Midtown Detroit survey." << rents went from $1 to $1.15 per square metre per year in detroit !
assbot: BitBet - Eric Frein to receive death sentence :: 0.08 B (38%) on Yes, 0.13 B (62%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1PLNlM4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00049558 = 29.6605 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe if we ping Herr Orlov enough it will be done?
BingoBoingo: Mostly making sure Hussein precedes Bahamas
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i did ask if you wanted any specific links in there...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta anticipate this. If you talk Bahamas you gotta bring that up for the SEO
BingoBoingo: Especially on contravex and any other web domain you publish.
BingoBoingo: Seriously pete as not the editor of their competitor you could probably write to Roger VERified bitcoin.com and get them to have a link to the fish handjob
BingoBoingo: Bush was dry drunk on O'Douls the whole time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00049454 = 2.1597 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: haha ya. caz killed it with that one coindesk conpherence
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2820.26, vol: 52880.32960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2820.26
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:15:10; BingoBoingo: So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 22:59:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: right. but i... use model m. thus, no locking problems. only apple keyboard i have is ~10 years old, white thingy. also no prob.
kakobrekla: you dont trully appreciate model-m until you come off it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00049355 = 3.134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15748 @ 0.00049777 = 7.8389 BTC [+] {2}
mats: lol, linode pwned again, for the fourth time in as many years
thestringpuller: asciilifeform is right. VPS services are the canadian devil.
thestringpuller: I was talking VPS services in general AWS, Google Cloud, Linode, et al.
thestringpuller: if you don't have physical access to the box, what's the point?
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:05:06; phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.
dbclk: finally..thanks for the add
dbclk: well..allowing me to have a voice here
dbclk: the last time i tried talking here..it said i need to have some wirc account..i dont remember
kakobrekla: dbclk it doesnt last for too long so make it count
BingoBoingo: dbclk: Ah, expires after 30 minute, you could have asked before. Also gotta register a WoT key and get rated
dbclk: that sounds like a long process
BingoBoingo: If you make your voiced time count, more likely to mebbe be able to voice self
kakobrekla: life is also a long process, usually, do you skip that too?
BingoBoingo: The only thing longer than doing it is not doing it.
dbclk: anyways..i'm a day trader..well just started recently traded my own money with bitcoins
dbclk: i've made good trades but, mostly terrible ones ..reading a book on trading but i'm seeking a mentor
dbclk: so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor
kakobrekla: afaik taleb can teach you a few things about trading but this place is investors mostly, not traders.
dbclk: BingoBoingo: against USD
dbclk: if it was that easy :)
PeterL: buy high, wonder what the hell you were doing after the drugs wear off
dbclk: even looking at the 1 hr chart against the BTC/USD..it looks like a triple top
dbclk: but, not quite sure ..because, on each peeks you have progressively less and less volume until it breaks the neckline
PeterL: the magic ball says ...
dbclk: what i'm seeing on the chart is consistent volumes and no declines
BingoBoingo: dbclk: You could learn to trade like me, but that means unlearning things like "triple top"
dbclk: you dont use technical analysis BingoBoingo ?
dbclk: you do this full time BingoBoingo ?
dbclk: oh so you have a full time job
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin stuff full time, yes. Trading like 0.17% time
dbclk: well my intention is to do this fulltime
dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well, the losing money part, if you step that up to full time you're sunk.
PeterL: as my mother says, "the best way to save money is to not spend it"
BingoBoingo: The better trader you are the less time you spend trading. I just enter orders into the book and wait for them to be filled or not filled.
dbclk: i agree BingoBoingo
dbclk: well already doing it full time...i wouldn't blame technical analysis...just need to finish learn
PeterL: dbclk: how much capital do you have available to play with?
dbclk: i think it can help quiet bit..the time i do loose money is when i'm trading randomly
BingoBoingo: But pick swings that take months, not minutes, and prolly pick a pair with better exchanges than BTC/USD
dbclk: which other pair BingoBoingo ?
dbclk: well yeah i was doing trades ..like minutes
dbclk: but, i get you..i rather do it slowly rather than quickly
dbclk: and come to think of it..i mostly loose money that way
trinque: lil kim jong must need a new shipment of henney
dbclk: anyways thanks for the advice folks
dbclk: one last question BingoBoingo
dbclk: you do use technical analysis for like picking resistance, support and retracements right?
dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Nah, I take my hand, cup my scrotum, and just man up.
danielpbarron: +dbclk> so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor << come work for me in Eulora
phf:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173 << "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees" "In Cologne at least one woman was raped and many were groped, including a volunteer policewoman." etc.
dbclk: danielpbarron: tell me where to sign up
dbclk: thanks danielpbarron ..I'll look into it
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:39:38; BingoBoingo: ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 04:23:14; asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 4.9 earthquake 0 kilometers deep
punkman: "What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049323 = 2.0716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049617 = 4.6144 BTC [+]
phf: sucks that he ended up writing book on sgml, but not on common lisp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049631 = 13.0778 BTC [+] {2}
phf: труд в ссср есть дело чести, славы, доблести и геройства
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050352 = 8.9627 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 429.42, vol: 4914.26755883 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.469, vol: 5078.09016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.49, vol: 12732.93409788 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 424.0, vol: 1.551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.815194, vol: 59881.18140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.58989, vol: 35.5563113 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 424.5065, vol: 38.77286225 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00050517 = 6.7693 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: "You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" - A Surgeon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10823 @ 0.00050517 = 5.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00050528 = 9.0834 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050558 = 8.4937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00050558 = 8.8729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0005047 = 4.2647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0005047 = 2.9525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00050433 = 4.4633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050433 = 4.1355 BTC [-]
jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050557 = 6.2691 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
jurov: will retry with release
jurov: or my datadir got corrupted
adlai: PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee.
adlai: probability of being chosen for any given tx will be literally unaffected, for 21st century OED values of 'literally'
adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0005046 = 1.7156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.0005046 = 2.4529 BTC [-]
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`578 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
☟︎ punkman: so the stuck tx has an invalid input?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10889 @ 0.0005046 = 5.4946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00050476 = 1.2422 BTC [+]
punkman: does that mean the stuck tx was created before the previous tx was mined&confirmed?
BingoBoingo: Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx
BingoBoingo: It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out a form of spam.
gribble: Current Blocks: 392019 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050345 = 9.5907 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: On a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had a lawyer, he said, “I do, but he’s not going to talk to you.”" (Lawyer being himself)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5466 @ 0.00050201 = 2.744 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11834 @ 0.00050133 = 5.9327 BTC [-]
ascii_butugychag: and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)'
ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'
☟︎ assbot: sybren / python-rsa / Pull request #14: [security] Fix BB'06 attack in verify() by switching from parsing to comparison — Bitbucket ... (
http://bit.ly/1MT5Xn1 )
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 10:00:07; jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.
ascii_butugychag: it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now
punkman: isn't there one of those every time some bitbet tx is delayed
shinohai: I just happened upon it by reading the scam accusations thread for lolz
shinohai: looks like thestringpuller took care of it
ascii_butugychag:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in a timely manner
☝︎ ascii_butugychag: 'Quickutil is a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.'
ascii_butugychag: 'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities.
ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer
ascii_butugychag: i can't recall anybody else attempting 'embrace & extinguish' (tm) (r) on... mathematics.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes.
BingoBoingo: trb and others pre-power rangers derping on the matter sign whatever s value
BingoBoingo: They were going to do even-s in when they started caring about the matter in 0.9 but then picked low-s for mysteries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12329 @ 0.00050475 = 6.2231 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Error: 'FOGBANK' is not a valid currency code.
thestringpuller: It's gotta be filtered somewhere. Not showing up on blockr.io
assbot: Bitcoin Wallet Developer Andreas Schildbach: I Will Not Invest My Time in Lightning Networks | Bitcoin Magazine ... (
http://bit.ly/1ZNZ9jM )
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.87, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 8134.7448076, 24 hour low: 425.03, 24 hour high: 432.48, 24 hour vwap: None
phf: adlai: "veh" doesn't use diff or ironclad, calls out to external utilities instead. fwiw froyd explicitly disclaimers ironclad use in production anyway..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049982 = 20.1427 BTC [-] {5}
PeterL: Hi, sorta working, just lurking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050287 = 10.0574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049848 = 4.9703 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as a fiat blowoff valve
pete_dushenski: the more sensible solution is import more brown dudes, undercutting all the pimply basement dwellers with "ideas" for getting rich
pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle
☟︎ BingoBoingo: But they tend to blow off some value into brown countries which is of undetermined value for fiat system.
BingoBoingo: What now people care about keeping the telegraph company afloat?
pete_dushenski: like retirees who can't say no to that 15 cent dividend
pete_dushenski: wonder how long china will let taiwan make its asics for 'bitfury'
mats: could be 99 years, could be 9
pete_dushenski: mats: until bitbet accepts >1 year off bets, we may never know :P
pete_dushenski: so can’t quite keep their women interested. Look in the eyes of that crazy broad and tell me you think that my homebody with the beard there is sleeping alone. Just the body language of the two men indicates who’s going to wind up tapping that ass in the long run."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049848 = 1.4954 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su
pete_dushenski: "When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million a
pete_dushenski: y. The state has also faced increased costs for prescription medications, including $60.6 million this year for new Hepatitis C treatments." << need moar hyooman ritez!!
jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:
☟︎ jurov: The refresh process has begun. We’ll let you know when it’s complete.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: aha (translation). and aha again (realbux).
ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx
☟︎ jurov: if you click on the blockcypher on the (out...) under "input consumed", you'll end up here:
jurov: which says this tx has been doublespent
BingoBoingo: So did Bitbet get tricked by a double spend?
jurov: only if the other one is different
jurov: if it was merely malleated, then mp just needs to spend the mined one instead
jurov: if i'm correct, then why mircea_popescu was spending so very fresh coins?
jurov: if he was spending some old mined output this could not have happened
jurov: especially in case of bitbet such churn is not necessary
ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable
☟︎ jurov: also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-a happens to be around to analyze this situation better
jurov: btw, there is "api call" link on blockcypher, so you can get detailed info from there, too
jurov: including the tx itself
thestringpuller: jurov: if you try to push it to blockr.io it says "Inputs have double spends"
jurov: thestringpuller: yes. now go compare ebc5d7688364 with 09e82c06cc to determine if it's merely malleated
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: that's an improvement from blockr because they were claiming to not recognise the transaction at all yesterday
jurov: or someone truly pulled the rug from under mp
pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
☟︎ thestringpuller: blockcypher is relaying it, but likely the miners are seeing the tx as invalid for one of the two reasons jurov stated
thestringpuller: i'll check it out in a second (don't have a full node at disposal atm)
jurov: it is definitely not relaying it if it considers the input invalid
thestringpuller: jurov: well from the explorers standpoint blockcypher doesn't care is just saying "this tx is borked look at these double spent-like errors" and then the story continues
thestringpuller: when you push to blockr.io it detects a bad input and says "I won't relay this"
jurov: relaying and showing to the web user are two different things
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?
jurov: and i can understand the blockexplorers don't want to fill their database with invalid txen
jurov: !up mircea_popescu
jurov: hi. dirigible moored without incident?
thestringpuller: cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from.
mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen)
pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing
☟︎ jurov: Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4516 @ 0.00049848 = 2.2511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21884 @ 0.00049762 = 10.8899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00049762 = 6.7925 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: " TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna!
jurov: kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks
kakobrekla: jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason
BingoBoingo: I thought Husqvarna was the chainsaw and undersized tractor company
jurov: BingoBoingo: they make plenty of other stuff, even sewing machines
jurov: my mom had one, we joked about it often
jurov: pity they don't make guns (but who knows)
BingoBoingo: Round these part's they are known as the people who make orange stuff for rural folk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00049762 = 2.0074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (1025 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC)
phf: they seemed to have made a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version
pete_dushenski: i wonder where he got the idea to use footnotes from...
mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?!
pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa
kakobrekla: you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ?
mircea_popescu: all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn
jurov: mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined
mircea_popescu: if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9
jurov: but it was mined just yesterday
jurov: but you did not use it
jurov: you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead
mircea_popescu: yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
mircea_popescu: (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around
mircea_popescu: seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant
jurov: how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output?
mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.
☟︎ kakobrekla: im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior
mircea_popescu: if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane.
jurov: refresh the wallet, resend
kakobrekla: i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago.
kakobrekla: it was clear for a long time its broked.
jurov: because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction
jurov: when you issued the tx?
mircea_popescu: but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe.
kakobrekla: the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid.
mircea_popescu: as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL.
kakobrekla: yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx
mircea_popescu: in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.
kakobrekla: the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed.
mircea_popescu: in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks.
punkman: so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what?
mircea_popescu: no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something.
kakobrekla: you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically.
mircea_popescu: T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included.
mircea_popescu: there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period.
kakobrekla: T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent.
mircea_popescu: then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"
mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.
☟︎ kakobrekla: yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that.
punkman: inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not?
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions.
jurov: no, addresses are irrelevant