assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050943 = 7.6924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.irdial.1:857be4f2206704b1b9b80f466b11a034fafdce66794f1e3a414e7b592b941e57
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: new blood
mircea_popescu: " While the introduction of the FDIC and similar programs decentralized trust in financial institutions from one party to two, transactions in much of the world do not offer such protections. Even with such programs, individuals are not universally protected from loss across borders and over certain value."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9138 @ 0.00050943 = 4.6552 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: it's like "daddy i got robbed can I have more money plz" "sure honey lemme just start up my printer"
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.62, Best ask: 367.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 367.57, 24 hour volume: 128368.49364011, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 428.92, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: in fact the fdic centralized banking to an unsanitary degree.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00050943 = 1.2914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00050869 = 8.1645 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33326 @ 0.00050943 = 16.9773 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol 35k sold and we're not even at november levels ? this is pitiful.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I gotta go to my Friday meeting soon. Somebody look into and mebbe write it up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050943 = 9.0679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3597 @ 0.00050531 = 1.8176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00050478 = 1.5159 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: /therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ << how come this wasn't 0.99.99.99 anyway ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050943 = 5.4509 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair #6 is a ways from sync'ing
mircea_popescu: i can't recall wtf that shartup was supposed to be doing anyway
mircea_popescu: other than getting random derps to self-importantly all over themselves at "conferences" and other pleb gatherings.
mircea_popescu: im sitting here chuckling privately over that roamning mode ssh thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050454 = 5.449 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00050382 = 7.2233 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050283 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050682 = 7.4665 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 369.03, Best ask: 369.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 136230.01105651, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 423.29, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00050943 = 2.3434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050942 = 3.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00049671 = 4.9919 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3383 @ 0.00050078 = 1.6941 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4901 @ 0.00050079 = 2.4544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050563 = 6.826 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: tevye update : synced, 16 connex, 825 mb memory, 333 mb vswap in use.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:11:09; shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050583 = 1.2646 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: iirc, to fully sync a node /before/ -verifyall or orphanage burner were even a thing, took me ~8-10 days on a medium sized AWS server. now its a bit longer with those two in play.
pete_dushenski: nuts. i didn't think my vm was anything special, but it was less than a week to fully sync up 99997k
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Apple Inc said it will soon start charging for iTunes Radio, its music-streaming service that competes with Pandora Media Inc."
pete_dushenski: so apple can buy russia (tm) (r) but still has to nickel and dime the poor users of its shrinking sandboxes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.000496 = 19.468 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? << hard to tell. derpy oversight ? who knows.
BingoBoingo has yet to see drama overflow into openbsd-misc so dunno where it is happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13493 @ 0.00050262 = 6.7819 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050657 = 2.9888 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2406 @ 0.00050658 = 1.2188 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Quantrill is at block 134118 beginning to feel some CPU constraints
BingoBoingo: Because what other ports should it have open?
BingoBoingo: Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world
pete_dushenski: "Only a passing mention of the post-Google salary he was drawing from United States Government security agency linked venture capital firm Andreessen1 Horowitz was offered by Popper." << reads funny. maybe missing a hyphen, or a comma, or needs a new ordering or something.
pete_dushenski: "Blockchain handling databased changed to LevelDB" << database
pete_dushenski: "itz was offered by Popper. The focus of Popper's piece is" << also, switch of tenses in same paragraph
mircea_popescu: you and your yurpean prosody bb, what do you think, you're italian now ?
pete_dushenski: bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight...
mircea_popescu: popper nearly forgot to mention that his employer these days is USG agency AH or something.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally : by now you've got a tell of prime order in this wordiness business. i see you can't get something out in less than eight complements i know you're not altogether happy with it. the thing is - consider cutting it out altogether if that's the case.
mircea_popescu: not like there's such a shortage of bitchslapping you're stuck using the whole chicken, feathers and all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14093 @ 0.00050658 = 7.1392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00050775 = 5.8137 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Because what other ports should it have open? << you should only open incoming port 8333 when you want people to connect to your node to sync ~from you~
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... << -27.4 F, yep, that'll chill ya out. makes for pretty hard & fast ice tho. so there's the upside there.
mod6: who's up to speed on DER?
☟︎ mod6: I've made a patch to remove high-S, added in patch, recompiled, restarted bitcoind and then sent a tx. here's what I'm looking at from a dumpblock of that tx:
mod6: I think I've got those R & S values picked out correctly, right? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2635 @ 0.00050446 = 1.3293 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: mod6: these kinds of temps do indeed make for excellent ice. and though it's a bit brisk for du patinage, the ice on whyte festival is on this weekend just down the street from my place (
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=ice%20on%20whyte), for which it's -30c for every second year and +5c on the alternates. i'll bundle up and take it this way. it's sorta sad to watch the ice sculptures melting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00050724 = 4.5652 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonness
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:16:33; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering
pete_dushenski: though a few of them are still to be found on the streets around here. though a lamborghini is a more common sighting.
BingoBoingo: They really should reintroduce it this year
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copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work
☟︎ pete_dushenski: i wonder what kids would think of me if i drove a 'cxt' ?
pete_dushenski: probably "that asshole hates the environment. what a pig !"
copypaste: or some other american rural dweller
pete_dushenski: that's actually reasonably fair, even if the only guy i ever knew who owned a 'cxt' was an industrial pipe-fitter or plumber or something of the sort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00050439 = 4.363 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: But it's not a bad price in say Ohio McMansions
pete_dushenski: (yes, wall streeters reading this, ~the~ blockchain, not "a")
BingoBoingo: Well you gotta blame the20year for that problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00050166 = 3.01 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: I have not seen The20yearirc.
gribble: I have not seen the20yearirclous.
gribble: The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Why/where?
BingoBoingo: Could not get his tenants to take pictures with posters for dope money
pete_dushenski: he could've taken the pics himself, collected the donations too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050567 = 7.9643 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: In other news Qntra comment to post differential is now back up to 304
pete_dushenski: playing house. you wanna be the fireman or the doctor ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00050727 = 1.8556 BTC [+]
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assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:44:54; mod6: who's up to speed on DER?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050726 = 4.1717 BTC [-]
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assbot: kingking190 is not registered in WoT.
BingoBoingo: punkman: No, incapable of getting mined into a block that won't be orphaned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050725 = 4.4638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00050082 = 11.2339 BTC [-] {5}
kingking190: hmmm says as a windows user i can't get wot ? >_>
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 18:09:07; *: trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't
BingoBoingo: Got a crappy old laptop you can try linux on kingking190
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14255 @ 0.00049895 = 7.1125 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: A server's a pretty shitty place to keep personal private key material
kingking190: >_< i don't keep anything personal on there mate.............
kingking190: and why would i go telling everone where it is? >_>
kingking190: like yes yell to the world where my safe is lol
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Well you're actually supposed to do that the the decoy safe you keep full of FOOF
kingking190: well in that case yes its on this computer.......
punkman: "At one time we had a open communication with Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him – so he was no longer somebody we could report this to. Recently I attempted to contact the Miami FBI office to report this, but they instead directed me to report it on the I3C website. I’ve not heard anything from them."
kingking190: btw the back doors are open for everyone lol :P
BingoBoingo: kingking190: If your computer was full of FOOF I doubt it would be on, much less on irc.
kingking190: lol so when do you guys think of buy more bitcoin ?
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:19:52; pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !!
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Us poorfags though who can not afford FOOF are stuck with thermite
kingking190: I have a mac but too lazy to go down to the car and get it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00049295 = 3.6232 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: -20f is too warm a temperature for storing FOOF
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punkman: kingking190: you should probably get an old laptop and airgap it, then you can safely generate both GPG and Bitcoin keys on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.00049894 = 5.3252 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Also consider getting a FOOF system for the Patek Phillipe of fail deadly area denial
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:04:36; ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid
BingoBoingo: <kingking190> How do i WoT on here ? << You basically read up for a few months, demonstrate you aren't an irredeemable lout and less talking more doing. It works if you work it.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:26:39; mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right
kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
pete_dushenski: kingking190: if you just made the key, make sure you've sent it to the keyservers, then wait a few for it to propagate
kingking190: i had waited like 5 mins lol guess i can wait some more.
kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
pete_dushenski: try sending to keyserver again. if you already have, just hang tight. there's no rush.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:33:36; mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049589 = 5.9011 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.kingking190.1:a71e096874e6f4e4c229b49495aa87900f4636c339a49a3e27b8e180085359e1
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kingking190 with note: let's give this a shot
pete_dushenski: now you can /msg assbot !up then decrypt the otp then !v it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0422 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !down kingking190 lurk moar until you aren't lost
pete_dushenski: k. then go to the link and copy and paste it into a new txt document
BingoBoingo: Oh midnightmagic I thought you were done with this channel?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: then in your command line tool, type `gpg --decrypt filename.txt`
pete_dushenski: you'll enter your passphrase and it'll spit out the decrypted message
pete_dushenski: copy that, go back to irc and tell assbot `!v decryptedfilename.txt`
pete_dushenski: "The Bitcoin experiment is six years old." << hey fred wilson, it's 7 yo. can you count ?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: so are you a trader ? or what do you do ? you american ?
kingking190: you know computer hacker j/k i repair computers / ETC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00049295 = 2.1059 BTC [-] {2}
kingking190: i like the job. only had it for about 60 days
kingking190: but the boss is nice. Plus the hours are good.
kingking190: when i met my wife she told me. " you got one year to find a job you like or back to construction with you"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00049295 = 4.2147 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: me? no, never. you guys are differently-informed than anyone else. I would miss important things if I weren't in here lurking.
pete_dushenski: kingking190: cool beans. well over half the dudes in here are married / in long-term relationships so you're in good company.
BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?
☟︎ kingking190: pete_dushenski, i love being married never got to wonder what i am doing this weekend lol
kingking190: pete_dushenski, plus always have a girl in the bed can't whine about that ^_^
BingoBoingo: kingking190: What if wife breaks contract and turns into an Obeast Hamplanet?
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BingoBoingo: kingking190: mebbe don't spam the ticker so much? Especially if you aren't going to ;;more to get the average?
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: Hrm. No, and that occupation has a terrible name. I'm Canadian. The gun culture up here is mostly ex-americans and preppers and they bury themselves where nobody can find them.
kingking190: BingoBoingo, ^_^ i make her RUN!!!! RUN!!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00049409 = 13.6616 BTC [+] {4}
midnightmagic: Unless you're in Alberta! Then it's all "shit the Metis might have another uprising, argh"
kingking190: BingoBoingo, do you whine about everything ? or just some stuff ?
BingoBoingo: kingking190: I've only been sober for jsut under 3 months now. I'm still getting used to this whole deal that goes with not being a blackout drunk. Serious lifestyle changes involved.
kingking190: BingoBoingo, oh i'm sorry wish you the best of luck. stay sober! ( goes and grabs a beer)
BingoBoingo: Also discoveries made. Like coffee does a much better job promoting wakefulness when it isn't just used as a delivery vehicle for Irish cream.
kingking190: pete_dushenski, i am who i am kinda hard not to be.
kingking190: pete_dushenski, i alway say whats on my mind ( why my wife hits me soo much LOL!!!! )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Were you around for the early shittalking between n00b BingoBoingo and n00b ben_vulpes in an episode that seriously confused mircea_popescu sometime around August 2013?
pete_dushenski: kingking190: y'know, given your unsolicited professions of love for your wife earlier, that she hits you isn't the least bit surprising.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This came around the time Eve online was on its decline as a #b-a fad
kingking190: pete_dushenski, ^_^ she calls them love taps hahahahahaha
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just ever so slightly before my time. mighta read it during my 'yeshiva' but don't recall the specifics atm.
kingking190: pete_dushenski: i am not sure the book bag was a love tap LOL >_> it was full at that time T_T
frogman_: my friend told me to check this out
BingoBoingo: Welcome. Keep coming back. It works when you work it.
kingking190: pete_dushenski: so what are you doing tonight ?
frogman_: So im trying to buy my first bitcoin
kingking190: coinbase was where i got my first one... well wait i mined my first one. but the first one i got with real money lol
pete_dushenski: kingking190: reading finance news/logs and blogging a bit earlier, flipping through tumblr pr0n atm. pretty standard evening.
kingking190: pete_dushenski: get a wife/ girl friend to help you with the pr0n.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8312 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0974 BTC [-] {2}
kingking190: well then i guess my wife is rally good ^_^
cazalla: down down, prices are down!
frogman_: so all of you are writing on qntra regularly :)
BingoBoingo: A lot of people have given it a swing, but some write more regularly than others.
cazalla: kingking190, nah prices are definitely down, picking up all these cheaps coins will give you a hearnia!
frogman_: yes specially you BingoBoingo!
kingking190: i will just go play with my wife some more.
pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.
☟︎ cazalla: BingoBoingo, been doing em, already added 50kg to my squat since november (90kg then, 140kg yesterday)
BingoBoingo does not yet trust back enough to try deadlifts.
cazalla: not in the squat rack though, this sliding one where u stand in it like a space man
cazalla: yeah sorta doesn't count eh, not hitting dem stabilisers, but using the machines to avoid injury, i always end up with some nagging injury from free weights
cazalla: still, butts to the floor, none of that half squat shit
cazalla: so, all this drama over hearnia, when i thought he said he left already?
cazalla: kingking190, hearnia or weight lifting?
cazalla: maybe you should lift so your wife doesn't think you have low t or something
kingking190: LOL i pick up my wife just about every night and take her to bed.
cazalla: does she fall asleep in front of the tv?
kingking190: >_< no she plays video games untill she falls asleep :P
cazalla: a gamer girl? fuck, i hate them (no offense)
cazalla: well, you know the likes of kaceytron?
cazalla: kingking190, she's a cam whore masquerading as a gamer girl, problem is, porn is easily accessible, so i don't really need to see all these cam whores on sites like twitch.tv
kingking190: lol i play games not watch people play them lol
kingking190: anyways why would i watch a gamer girl play when i have one to grab right here ?
cazalla: because i have a missus and i know that grows boring after the x month
cazalla: watching games is OK, depends on the game
punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz
☟︎ cazalla: the whole girls play games thing though is really just women playing games aka advertising apps on their iphone
cazalla: kingking190, yellow fever huh?
cazalla: kingking190, you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam (where i saw the avatar of you and the wife)
BingoBoingo: There are seriously some lessons much better learned 3 or 4 years ago
kingking190: used that user name for anything since i was 10
cazalla: soz, i am only playing :) god knows my missus does not look near as good as she did when we first mete
kingking190: she still looks the same as she did when i first met her ^_^
kingking190: anyways why are you giving me so much shit about this anyways ?
cazalla: tbh, this is how much australians talk to each other in conversation
BingoBoingo: kingking190: Here you have to be sensitive to actual cultural diversity
kingking190: ahh its fine just poking a bit fun back :(
cazalla: kingking190, ya not worried ya kids will end up supreme gentlemen?
punkman: you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam << lending money on btcjam is stupid, taking their money, eh, why not
BingoBoingo more worried about... giving BTCJam any information at all
cazalla: punkman, if he's borrowing, i'd bet he's lending too
cazalla: otherwise his account would've been shitcanned for scamming already
op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?
☟︎ kingking190: Theres a trick to getting loans out and make good money on them.
punkman: op_null2_: the "community" can't rub two bitcents together so what do they care about price
kingking190: you could pull out like 5 btc on a 5% loan for 30 days
punkman: kingking190: and what if the guy runs with your 100btc
kingking190: punkman, not talking about lending. talking about pulling a loan out >_<
cazalla: kingking190, i hear asian women make good wives, is that true?
cazalla: in that they are more subservient, treat you like a real man without actually having to be one
kingking190: cazalla, depens what you want? if you want a girl who treats you good yes but if you mess with them there not like USA girls where they walk out....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10586 @ 0.00049839 = 5.276 BTC [+] {2}
kingking190: plus there not like USA girls where ( oh you lost all your money pour thing she leaves you.)
kingking190: hell we both slept on the floor for 6 months
cazalla: birthdays was the worst days?
cazalla: ya know, that you and ya missus went from negative to positive, and it's all good!
cazalla: what assets to refos have?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00049922 = 5.4899 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."
☟︎ cazalla: from that article it would seem the refos have more savings than the locals
punkman: cazalla: not all the refugees are dirt poor
cazalla: times like this i'm glad to be down under.. good fucking luck swimming that distance to get here
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony one of your fans is visiting
punkman: 0.001 xmr/btc eh, I bought/sold some around 0.005, glad I didn't stick with it
cazalla: why are you relegated to hope then kingking190 ?
op_null2: What ever happened to mircea_popescu 's bet that Ethereum wouldn't launch?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049301 = 3.1553 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: op_null2, none of you cunts put your money where your mouth is, at least until after the fact like now
op_null2: so nobody took him up on the bet?
cazalla: kingking190, hoping litecoin goes up doesn't seem like a sound strategy that's all i'm saying
BingoBoingo: op_null2: One person took it and never returned with a private key to claim it
punkman: there were some bitbet bets too
op_null2: interesting. I thought it was a joke. seemed like he was giving himself bad odds
cazalla: why didn't you bet then op_null2 ?
op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."
☟︎ kingking190: cazalla, i have done the math and everything. but i just hope i am not wrong by some dumb luck
op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched
☟︎ cazalla: no-one is gonna use that op_null2
kingking190: cazalla, plus the market could turn bad really fast one big market goes offline than Bang market drops ( well i will buy more but) still like shit!
op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol
☟︎ cazalla: kingking190, i tried that trading game in early 2013, didn't work out for me, much better approach has been to buy and just hold bitcoin
cazalla: all these things mircea_popescu could've done, how about what you could've done op_null2 ? nothing at all eh?
op_null2: cazalla: $9 million in Augur from thousands of users. They'll use it.
op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions
☟︎ cazalla: didn't augur scam the early investers anyway? changed it from investor to donations or something later on
op_null2: cazalla: no, its all accounted for
punkman: "The crowd is smart. Use its expertise to beat the experts with... Stunningly Accurate Predictions" topkek
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa in Bitcoin doing?
BingoBoingo: Any urgent corrections I should make to latest qntra post before trying to sleep?
punkman: "Augur hedged a significant portion of its holdings (13,500 BTC). Via itBit, Augur sold at an average of US$227 per BTC with $10/coin borrowing cost, netting the Project $217 per BTC." geniuses
op_null2: better than holding it and it drops in half -- like ethereum did
op_null2: converting 50% to fiat is smart
cazalla: i guess it's smart when it's not your own money
punkman: they could have paid themselves in btc, wanted dollars instead
cazalla: sounds like pokeman cards to me, augur investors handed over their money for some ultra rare pokemans
cazalla: augur 2.0 must be in the works i'd imagine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00049845 = 2.9917 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "sold all but 1,000 BTC and 100,000 ETH via over the counter (OTC) trades" "opened up a brokerage account to secure a portion of our funds in relatively secure, short term US Treasury bonds, to earn some return above bank rate interest"
punkman: "Augur has also contributed $20,000 to an R&D project to transition the Ethereum network from a proof of work (POW) to a proof of stake (POS) system so it can operate at higher speeds, handle more transactions and thereby become more competitive"
punkman: yeah 2nd crowdsale can't be far off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36972 @ 0.00050692 = 18.7418 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12478 @ 0.00050772 = 6.3353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00050772 = 3.554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15329 @ 0.00050591 = 7.7551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.0005059 = 8.4516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.00049295 = 7.8542 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049199 = 6.4451 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.00050674 = 6.5451 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0005102 = 6.1734 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\
☟︎ copypaste: POS is the perfect name for what it is. Piece of shit.
copypaste: It doesn't get more honest than that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050789 = 3.1235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00049311 = 3.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00050311 = 2.6413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0005095 = 7.184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10295 @ 0.0005102 = 5.2525 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: someone just compared Hearnia to Batman/Bruce Wayne. As a batman true believer, I was hihgly insulted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12158 @ 0.00050211 = 6.1047 BTC [-] {4}
PeterL: I don't get it, how could anybody compare them?
shinohai: No other Bitcoin subreddit makes my head hurt more than r/btc lately
PeterL: Hearnia is an idiot, and whoever this apologist is, they are an even bigger idiot
PeterL: I have never seen anything worthwhile on reddit, seems like a place for idiots to gather and waste time/energy
shinohai: I don't even have account anymore, I just have it in my .rss feed
mircea_popescu: shinohai i looked through that thing yest, went "hmm, reddit went very weird ?" then realised that it's not r/bitcoin, nor r/buttcoin nor r/bitcoinxt but YET ANOTHER subreddit.
mircea_popescu: apparently the crazies can't really thrive together, need to splinter into smaller cjs.
shinohai: I forgot to check if anyone reserved r/bitcoinclassic yet
shinohai: yup, set to private. Gotta keep it locked while we make moar vaporware.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna run out of names, end up like the neoprotestant "churches" in the us. "the true universal international church" and blabla.
mircea_popescu: very american this process, "we forked xtianity" "oh yeah ? what did you add ?" "the name!" "do you know the faith ?" "wut ?"
mircea_popescu: there's at least nine thousand "denim-inations" the sum total of whose intellectual production adds up to half a tract of an obscure irish preacher from 1840.
mircea_popescu: (the irish weren't exactly regarded as clever or scholarly in english at the time ; the english in turn didn't make much court at rome)
PeterL: how about we just study the Gospel of Thomas and be nice to people?
PeterL: why do we need to call it anything?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well the toomims are calling your bluff, but Gavin in his recent article realizes the uphill struggle and just knows that "hey it's probably not going to work out but worth a shot", sometimes I wonder about that d00d. Eats glue but rather conscious of the actual situation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5278 @ 0.00050049 = 2.6416 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: well the difference between the two is that one has an extra peritoneal hole
mircea_popescu: PeterL ianaeasnps, but i think technically the name'd be wesleyanism
PeterL: "ianaeasnps" - i am not an expert at such namining protestant sects?
mircea_popescu: it's a category in patristics, sorta like you know, the weird corner of the library. the TRULY weird corner.
mircea_popescu: most people resolve the problem by declaring that there's no paters past ~500ish ad and that's that.
PeterL: I guess you could also say that nobodies don't get to name themselves
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mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but these are particularly confounded since the introduction of the printing press and the legal profession.
thestringpuller: OMG. "The network is broken because it takes longer for payments to get confirmed. Who would wait 60 minutes or 14 hours for a payment?!?" Holy fuck-wits, people eat this shit up? Why are these people so stupid? :(
assbot: Understanding Argentina’s Coming Default, For Real This Time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:52:12; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonn
mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying humbly to copy and f
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:57:11; copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work
mircea_popescu: ailing miserably at producing art through this process.
mircea_popescu: compared to this, the ineffectual, ineffective and brief anglo tradition of "originality" is both forced and sad.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 06:50:35; BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money
mircea_popescu: "OMG I just died laughing at this profile, stupidly hilarious! I'm so dead I'm writing this from the grave motherfucker. It's like Family Guy meets Frasier, BRAVO!"
mircea_popescu: which were these, the derp who was supposedly married to patricia heaton and who's the other one ?
thestringpuller: it's just a rehash of the simpsons at this point just with more juvenile humor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37143 @ 0.0005005 = 18.5901 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The series was created as a spin-off of Cheers << ahahahaha omfg.
thestringpuller: yea. lol "cheers but for smart people" is how i remember it being marketed
mircea_popescu: well... the few sitcoms i knew came out in a brief one-two year interval around 1990.
mircea_popescu: "Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him" yeah, it... happened. it happened ~with~.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 07:49:28; pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.
mircea_popescu: i always thought that for someone who barely fucked, he had an extremely keen understanding of female fringe psychology.
thestringpuller: how does fucking correlate to knowledge of female psychology if you don't mind?
mircea_popescu: recall that thread about how language is the explanation of the extremely slutty behaviour of humans as opposed to all other mammals ?
mircea_popescu: well, you, in the sense of you know, single case, can, sure. but statistically speaking, correlations appear.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.0005102 = 3.4893 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13761 @ 0.00051022 = 7.0211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:13:38; trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:17:23; BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:34:19; frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0005066 = 5.2686 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: he probably did a lot of talk therapy with nutty adolescent chicks or something.
thestringpuller: so been reading about mises and rothbard and anarcho-capitalism. i think the "majority revolting" isn't revolting about an issue, but subconsciously rejecting the anarcho-capitalist nature of bitcoin.
thestringpuller: people being told "they aren't equal" seems to strike a chord that brings up crazy emotion.
thestringpuller: so you get people saying "blah blah conflict of interest" when in actuality I don't think conflict of interest can actually exist in bitcoin since it's all private sovereign entities voluntarily participating.
mircea_popescu: eh, generally "the majority" just wants nothing to exist.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:44:15; *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.5 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 3 weeks | weight: 85`002 (100`000 to 20`000) ... (
http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:55:54; cazalla: great tits though
mircea_popescu: (starts off as cleric, healing everyone, progresses to girl under the table, sucking off everyone)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00051023 = 16.8912 BTC [+]
copypaste: mircea_popescu: all that has to happen is a fire in chinese mining farm ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00049786 = 4.6057 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well, maybe not that. but the problem is purely economic : a quarter exahash is expensive as all fuck
mircea_popescu: and, contrary to the sugarcoated version of reality "devs" like to present, it doesn't buy the owner all that much.
mircea_popescu: course, it's impolitic to say this publicly, because hey, "we", ie the ploughing flies, absolutely LOVE to prop themselves on others' work, and so every derp pouring code into a black hole he calls github feels his own personal fortune increased for some reason every time a miner puts a rig online.
mircea_popescu: in fact, we are at a crossroads - miner manufacturers have figured out at some point last year that cartelization is actually more productive in fiat terms for them than supplying the open market. by now they have the unmitigated cheek to publicly attempt to influence politics. imagine the outrage back in the day if BFL had dared to say what bitfury dares today.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:57:43; punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36710 @ 0.00049644 = 18.2243 BTC [-]
copypaste: twitch isn't in the business of making money
mircea_popescu: even so. the notion that girls should be dressed online is at best bizarre.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:15:18; op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?
adlai: when will freedom-hating derps learn that crashing properly leads to "sell, crash, ???, profit"?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:29:15; punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."
mircea_popescu: so if i get a busload of nude ukrainian chicks in shitzerland and keep them chained to a basement wall "until they repay" bla bla, i'm basically being a confederate, just like all the rest of 'em. right ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:38:46; op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago ... (
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assbot: BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February :: 0.31 B (82%) on Yes, 0.07 B (18%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... (
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assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:39:47; op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched
copypaste: Jesus will be very popular when he comes back too
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:41:02; op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol
mircea_popescu: fucking derps already. "ima advise my father on how to fuck because totally, my pimples are my shiedl"
mircea_popescu: "not like it's my job to conform my stupid head to the deeds of the greater men i perceive. i shall advise them instead!"
assbot: !op_null2 is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !rate op_null2 -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.
assbot: op_null2 is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:42:29; op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions
thestringpuller: Everyone wants to be Marcus Lemonis without the portfolio to back it.
thestringpuller: that's actually a good idea for television. when btc businesses start failing and coming to MP for help, film it, and profit.
copypaste: hard to film an IRC log in a manner that would be entertaining to the average TV watcher
copypaste: perhaps it would work with many dramatizations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049472 = 4.9967 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: mod6: does bitcoin node stop when internet connection goes out?
copypaste: depends what you mean by `stopped'
mircea_popescu: go advise whoever the shit's too thick to read the logs, whydontcha.
copypaste: thestringpuller: yeah that does seem odd to me, likely a bug. if it was running as a daemon, it shouldn't exit due to an unstable network, at least one would assume
copypaste: i can't recall if i've ever experienced that with the node i run, but i don't think i have as i run it on a quite unstable network
thestringpuller: Just wanna get the thing synched and run the version patch and banhammer
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:19:27; mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00051022 = 1.7705 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5ff2755a151d288a9c52727e4d0ce3f0a0646d8d7a23f484fb359c07
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate s3gfault -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 11:30:16; cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00051023 = 4.1543 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: copypaste we think that voting is a proved-to-work mechanism, in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: for anyone that doesn't wish to remember that the march fork was healed over mp saying noncontroversial and wishes to see what happens once mp doesn't say that... proceeding on a "vote" is the smartest move possible.
mircea_popescu: after all the point of life on earth is to find out things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.0005046 = 7.8067 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the very notion, you know, "we support a code bundle that's not written yet".
mircea_popescu: im sure if you ask these fuckwits they "support" windows.
copypaste: well, now that you put it that way, next to nothing.
mircea_popescu: but hey, for a generation of worthless retards that's in love with a woman they've never met and will live or die depending on whether santa/thegovernment/isis paradrops them food & other supplies as needed... it makes perfect sense.
mircea_popescu: i'm in favour of the imperial house of jormania. hurr durr.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050474 = 6.8645 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "For all the ways the manufactured crisis around the ClassicCoin hard fork push is made to seem more polished than the XTCoin manufactured crisis, the results of the effort somehow seem still more underwhelming." << word. ten times the effort, a tenth of the result.
mircea_popescu: apparently mining difficulty is not the only thing that went up over the years. submination difficulty also follows.
mats: tl;dr presenter with nothing to do re: security, presents at BSides
mircea_popescu: show to be rebranded as "OhMySides", to move on F! tv ?
mats: “Well, there’s been a complaint about your talk.” He continued, “It’s from someone who is a rape survivor and they said they will be triggered by your talk if there’s any rape in it.”
mats: so 'triggered' is a thing now
mircea_popescu: you know, this may actually make a pretty decent show.
mircea_popescu: tie a buncha "rape survivors" etc in a chair and trigger the shit out of them.
mircea_popescu: seems a legitimate enough fetish. "honey... i can only get it up to the sweet music of bitchez gettin' triggered"
mats: if you produce i'll watch it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050402 = 4.7882 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:38:38; thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.
mircea_popescu: "It had been decided months ago that I would give a talk at Security BSides San Francisco. The subject of my talk was up in the air until just before the conference started"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck this isn't the end of that whole bsides thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly their plain and open intellectual surrender.
mircea_popescu: "and the organizers were okay with that, but to not inconvenience or surprise the organizers, I decided to present the same talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012."
mircea_popescu: "Each BSides is a community-driven framework for building events for and by information security community members."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00051047 = 4.7474 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: <+thestringpuller> yea it exited when the connect failed << would someone like to test this & log their results so we can put this one to bed? basically should be able to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`, then a `./bitcoind stop`, then the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again to see whats happening - perhaps even a tail of the last 100 lines of the debug log...
mod6: so, start up bitcoin, to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig <iface> down`, then see
mod6: to bring the interface back up `ifconfig <iface> up`
phf: apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for the gentoo novice, what are the major de-poetteringizing flags to be aware of and set?
ben_vulpes: "because the city decided that on-street auto parking directly in front of the stores was more important than all-ages bike access to the future of those districts." << heh, andersen with the subtle shiv
noobsRus: hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like to say thanks to all for bringing some clarity to the bigblocksforking nonsense that started last year
ben_vulpes: regardless of what the merchants want, tight on-street parking is both the prime indicator that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do they know, they've forgotten the import of "foot traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is the utter best way to get more people trafficing past your dumb shop.
noobsRus: i appreciate the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist
assbot: noobsRus is not registered in WoT.
mod6: i basically dropped that code into the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at that atm...
phf: ben_vulpes: portland seems to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised that this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3203 @ 0.00050402 = 1.6144 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: looks like BIP 66 diffs reflect a bunch of der sig checking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00050255 = 1.7072 BTC [-] {2}
noobsRus: a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i think) the gravity of the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting
noobsRus: yes, i will look into the WoT too, once i figure out how to pgp correctly
noobsRus: anyways... i have one question at the moment that perhaps someone can answer
ben_vulpes: phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration. the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given that a car takes up > 8 m^2 of space for typically one user, and this imposes a hard upper bound on a) the number of cars in a space and b) the number of people you can cram into a space.
noobsRus: is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?
copypaste: gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable.
ben_vulpes: noobsRus: nobody gices a fuck about r/t/hn
copypaste: those sites have no value, so there is no value in doing anything with them.
mircea_popescu: noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means.
mircea_popescu: few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive.
jurov: community-driven framework for collecting quotes (aka bash) updated.
ben_vulpes: phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand.
mircea_popescu: did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ?
jurov: i did not see any quotes in the air
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town.
ben_vulpes: nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want.
copypaste: quiznos? what a terrible franchise
noobsRus: thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself
ben_vulpes: parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.
ben_vulpes: but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking.
noobsRus: it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse
mircea_popescu: noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline".
copypaste: noobsRus: please shut up, no one cares about your internet wars on reddit or whatever
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you realise that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had to go by bike ?
ben_vulpes: your oddball habits don't really bear on cascadian city planning problems.
mircea_popescu: of course...i suppose if it comes to it i could just ride.
mircea_popescu: i would guess stables and all that takes just about as much space as parking does.
ben_vulpes: i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure.
mircea_popescu: what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there
noobsRus: copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now
ben_vulpes: it's going to end up that way, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock.
mircea_popescu: sure. roads have throughout the history of states been the largest expense.
ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes
ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and trams
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
ben_vulpes: heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way
copypaste: some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that
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copypaste: is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense
ben_vulpes: after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.
mircea_popescu: lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D
ben_vulpes: just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere.
ben_vulpes: ive nfi what bb and pete were thinking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050255 = 7.5383 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is it more difficult to malleate to low-s from high-s?
adlai: copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree
ben_vulpes: so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction.
mircea_popescu: because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ?
adlai is not in favor of moronic voicings, villages have room for many idiots but courts need precious few jesters
thestringpuller: adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit.
mircea_popescu: "What I’m doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on to bigger and better things soon."
mircea_popescu: in case you were wondering what that is - probably reddit.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們！" << Just because it wins doesn't mean it can't still earn a chuckle.
adlai: thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright
thestringpuller: adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.
adlai: all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure
copypaste: "bitcoin is doomed to fail due to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of that nature.
adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)
adlai: at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage
fluffypony: adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages
jurov: not quite a implementation plurality
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051073 = 6.8438 BTC [+]
adlai: fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain?
fluffypony: adlai: we'll probably move to annual later on, but yes
copypaste: what happens if you just do nothing? you lost all your moneroj?
adlai: fluffypony: might want to discuss this amongst yourselves... being promoted to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation
mircea_popescu: more properly put : what happens if someone actually takes monero seriously, and decides to disallow your future forks.
mircea_popescu: people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack.
adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings"
adlai: "hard fork whenever we feel like it, forever" = unready for capital-B-ization
mircea_popescu: and so if somehow monero became the one, it would simply be the one.
mats: i had a chance to scoop a shmoocon ticket
phf: ascii_shmoocon: oh god damn, i missed it again.
fluffypony tries to find the Highlander theme song
mircea_popescu: anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev.
mircea_popescu: so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers.
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai: this thread is good sober adlai
fluffypony: let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's.
adlai: given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much"
phf: anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past that point?
mircea_popescu: who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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copypaste: as mircea told you, there can only be one
mats: hard charger, this guy
fluffypony: copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that
mircea_popescu: in fairness fluffypony always drove it as a research interest.
mats: the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should confess i read "nigger tagging" and did a doubletake
phf: ben_vulpes: what i meant is that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist
mircea_popescu: phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets.
mod6: when i drive, i sound like i have tourettes im sure.
mircea_popescu: you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7357 @ 0.00050978 = 3.7505 BTC [-]
jurov: roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection. this can't be coincidence!"
mircea_popescu: un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis.
mircea_popescu: (saliva is a digestive juice. you can end up with a pretty miserably upset skin.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051122 = 1.1247 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them
ben_vulpes: cars are an insane deployment of capital and parking an insane deployment of re
mircea_popescu: cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them.
mircea_popescu: make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.
☟︎ jurov: cars won't be made at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00051135 = 1.2272 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
☟︎ punkman: small car-factory is not that expensive, it's not cpu fab
jurov: it would struck them as deeply uneconomical and they'd just revert to horses
jurov: punkman: because raw materials are mass mined and manufactured
mircea_popescu: the original buyers of cars weren't the 150mn derps, but the 15k people with means.
jurov: would they want to split the fixed costs?
mircea_popescu: this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out.
mircea_popescu: and that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120 to 12k a year instead"
jurov: no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible
jurov: you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item.
mircea_popescu: stop making the chumps have money they can't earn, problem goes awaqy
jurov: why babbage machine was not doen then?
mircea_popescu: in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.
jurov: so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how?
mircea_popescu: so they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh to buy the same weight in poor mill girls,
jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
☟︎ mircea_popescu: heck, maybe they won't. in which case they prolly have a good reason.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
☟︎ jurov: i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other
jurov: you think that fixed engineering costs for new technology does not exist or what?
jurov: moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves?
mircea_popescu: or moreover : what do you think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ?
mircea_popescu: the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.
jurov: structural difference is that it's marginally easier to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn than 15k.
mircea_popescu: not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays those fixed costs ?
jurov: you do. and you don't want to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k?
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good.
mircea_popescu: guess whether the 15k or the 15mn model promotes this view.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: the only thing the FIFTY years of chump did was take a shit on everything else.
mircea_popescu: some fields somewhat survived a decade or so after world chumpification.
mircea_popescu: and note that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails.
jurov: eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself
mircea_popescu: note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the shitheads now on reddit, soon to make 10 cents an hour will do it.
jurov: hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process?
jurov: in cleanroom with hf?
mircea_popescu: but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter.
jurov: ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00051145 = 3.6569 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: 1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well
phf: i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption
mircea_popescu: i dunno, random "washing silicone" reference for no discernible reason.
ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing.
jurov: yes. mircea decides that washing silicon or eulora art ought to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17181 @ 0.00051094 = 8.7785 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
☟︎ jurov: i see, all my previous notions of price formation are now worthless anyway
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how much do you figure that chick was worth ?
jurov: you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more than 0.1/hr
mircea_popescu: a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.
mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
☟︎ jurov: okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means?
mircea_popescu: review the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as to "the low tax".
mircea_popescu: currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
mircea_popescu: and the path to flattening it is ruining the "wealthy" and trampling the "people".
mircea_popescu: the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story.
mircea_popescu: humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half.
jurov: but then the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects
mircea_popescu: instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did,
ascii_shmoocon: and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k...
mircea_popescu: where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything.
mircea_popescu: they're ~= to the french "nobles" at versailles. circus act.
jurov: and how do you propose to have 15k independently wealthy? dependency is better strategy
jurov: says owner of most of our bitcoins
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i've been spending so much effort trying to prevent exactly that sort of thing it's nigh on taxing friendship.
jurov: i have stash locked in S.NSA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00051094 = 1.4649 BTC [-]
jurov: can i haz it tomorrow?
jurov: there are not enough bids
mircea_popescu: for one thing i'm a fucking minority partner in that venture!
jurov: who has the coins then?
mircea_popescu: next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ?
ascii_shmoocon: every single one of us is on a cpu made in 1 of 3 places.
mircea_popescu: this "made" bs. every woman i eve rfucked was made by a woman i wouldn't have fucked.
mircea_popescu: the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11
ascii_shmoocon: didja ever read yossi kreinin's piece 'computers you can't program ' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17373 @ 0.00051426 = 8.9342 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ?
ascii_shmoocon: also wtf, you can't have a planet with 15 much less 15k mp's
jurov: 100000 @ 0.00011000
jurov: and 200`000 @ 0.00029000 but i don't expect that one to be hit any soon
mircea_popescu: jurov yes well, generallty the way investing works is that you can either fix the margin or the timescale.
mircea_popescu: other than, of course, "easier to be lazy and there's welfare anyway".
jurov: how do i fix the timescale? by abducting ascii_shmoocon to north korea?
ascii_shmoocon: nature doesn't make'em often and they tend to kill one another..
mircea_popescu: jurov if you want now, the offer is -11%. if you want +10%, you'll have to wait and see.
mircea_popescu: but hey, if you have some way to speed up alfie i'm all ears :D
jurov: i can sell 100k or 200k shares at 0.000089? where?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i'm pretty firmly dedicated to having spectacular sex with any and all mps. why kill each other ?!
BingoBoingo wasted too much of my life reading a piece by Simon Edhouse of David Thorne fame. Copholarchaeologist can find it themselves
BingoBoingo: I'm already trying to unlearn it as best as I can without relapsing
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to things : 1. a thriving middle class means very strictly, ruined-usg-everything as well as scandalously oppressed orcs. this is what it means, this is what'll happen because middle class is not negotiable.
mircea_popescu: 2. decentralized world, and powers of varying magnitudes coexisting productively is an ~ecological~ problem. of exactly the nature of "don't shit in the soup bowl".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00051094 = 2.7877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 51000 @ 0.00008888 = 4.5329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: inept whining to the degree that "people might, and how do we know they won't" and etc are not germane. that's why there's the wot and fore that matter when's the last time you ate soup with a turd in it ?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:10:40; mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
mircea_popescu: and i've yet to meet anyone in an airplane crash who was ready to fly.
jurov: how is my relationship with s.nsa "coexisting productively" ? i can either negrate alf, or cause price to plummet yet further
ascii_shmoocon: in fact there is a reason this is a recurrent motif in afterlife myths!!
jurov: and the coins aren't going to be used prioductively anytime soon
jurov: what is the product?
mircea_popescu: well as described in monthly letters, all sorts of things
mircea_popescu: and im not sure what is a more productive use of bitcoin than holding on to it, but ymmv.
jurov: is "holding coins" in the s.nsa contract?
mircea_popescu: jurov well company sells shares, until it puts them to some use it holds on to them. what else can you do ?
jurov: so, i'm dependent on it in any practical way
mircea_popescu: jurov dependency and investment are orthogonal concerns.
adlai: !up ascii_shmoocon
ascii_shmoocon: but would not even feed me for a whole year, if it came to it
ascii_shmoocon: if there were 1000x moar of it, you would still barf at the idea?
mircea_popescu: there's no merchants left in thsi world are there. whole fucking raft of culture and its knowledges, gone from the world.
ascii_shmoocon: as it is, snsa is somethng i do on the train to and from 8h of garbage
mircea_popescu: and from the looks of it investors are starting to have had enough, eh.
phf: "raise capital to pay developers"
ascii_shmoocon: possibly i'll have to reach into sofa cushion and give the coinz back
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, is phuctor back online ? it'd have been a very convenient answer for me to give a few lines above.
jurov: well the situaiton is that "person who will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture" does it in his own time and own money anyway and whole s.nsa is scarcely needed
mircea_popescu: you are wrong in the part where you presume to decide whether what other people do is needed or not.
mircea_popescu: you're also wrong in imagining that anyone does anything other than in their own time.
jurov: lol i comment, not decide
ascii_shmoocon: jurov if you need it, you can buy me as well as anybody
mircea_popescu: you'll notice that while it took a very long time, s.nsa did not spend a lot of money.
mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to prefer a different time/money ratio, and even start a competitor.
jurov: except you would not accept any money cuz you don't want to pay taxes etc.
jurov: what is the ratio?
jurov: oh, i am already doing it as foundation treasurer it has much better ratio :D
mircea_popescu: there's a lengthy list of various fiat-based stuff that tried the "low time, high money" approach. they all failed and had to be rolled up in ever-larger failed ventures, usg style.
mircea_popescu: so i don't terribly favouring the "quickly! spend!" approach. but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: what's the hurry anywaqy, the republic has infinite times.
mircea_popescu: jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget.
ascii_shmoocon: but yes, it could easily happen 10x faster, and i'd be lying if i said that I didn't know how...
jurov: how much $$$ you need monthly?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you'd also be lying if you didn't say you specifically hate it.
BingoBoingo: It seems that the answer to the S.NSA problems is getting alf food stamps and section 8 housing.
mircea_popescu: jurov lettuce not be naive. the alternatives here aren't the alternatives we perceive we would prefer. it's either he's a free man and does it as such, or else he's a peon like al schwatz describes in that very well written piece.
mircea_popescu: i dun happen to want to run yet another of those ventures, myself. but others do, and i'm sure if you're one of them you can go open an office in sf, hire head hunters and proceed apace.
mircea_popescu: and if alf specifically won't show up in the employment line, an exactly fungible equivalent surely will.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
☟︎ adlai wonders whether the problem is "investors have come to expect", reminiscent of: "if this is not what you have come to expect, please adjust your expectations"
BingoBoingo: Aha, this really gets to the meat of the problem. Impatience with fiat not dying fast enough for any of us to buy Nevada on a whim yet.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i am actually trying to hire someone, but for that need to shift part of s.nsa stash
phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a
☟︎ phf: return, if there's value in s.nsa output
mircea_popescu: jurov seems the trade'll unwind. in fairness, you can't at the same time try to snipe bids you like, and be upset you don't see as many as you decided you need.
mircea_popescu: put your offer in the book, if it is of this nature of a firm offer, and wait and see.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:56:29; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you gotta at some point stop acting and trying to think like a child.
ben_vulpes: this margin/time/spend way of looking at things is very illuminating
BingoBoingo honestly would consider taking on extra projects if fig bags started appearing
mircea_popescu: then again you know, the forum exists for people to voice their voice.
jurov: *sigh* there it is.
ascii_shmoocon: what I'm helpfully reminding folks of is that i am not an actual '15k' person like mp
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jurov: ascii_shmoocon i did offer you to become a contractor to my company, paid by $$$, you recoiled in horror
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally did that other guy work out, what's his name
ben_vulpes: one of not crossing bezzle and bitcoin streams.
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf's position is particularly unfortunate i guess, on one hand not one of "mps' 15k", on the other not one of the 15mn, is there no spot in the sun for an alf!
ben_vulpes: but also the startup short requires tending to the egos of those being shorted.
ascii_shmoocon: no spot but here, watching a bloke give a talk on thermite, wearing a firesuit
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch okcupid sluts camho. and no, i'm not watching that either.
jurov: sigh, can't find the original offer, maybe it was not employment but i do remember offering fiat service to alf
mircea_popescu: really this fiction of paying money rather than equity is nonsense of the first order.
BingoBoingo: lol, wake me up when off the shelf solutions to replace the thermite role with FOOF emerge
jurov: to me it would make sense to pay full month or two to kick the project off
mircea_popescu: jurov to kick what project off ? the "looking for yet another job" project ?
jurov: ok, maybe it's stupid idea
jurov: and i'm no mircea_popescu to get execution on my projects for $0.1/hr :(
mircea_popescu: anyway. my in-between-the-lines reading of the situation was that alf found, unexpectedly, that he had been doing dope for a long time, and while is working to get himself off the stuff, nevertheless due to the lenthy time spent on sudden solutions aren't practicable. so he's working on it.
mircea_popescu: course by now he's taken longer than conceivable for this purpose, but then again... his lyf.
BingoBoingo: The dope is merely a symptom of deeper pathology
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.
jurov: i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment
mod6: Thank you for your services and contribution, Sir.
jurov: You're welcome, Sir.
mod6: *contributions! even.
ben_vulpes: i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov.
jurov: there are expected expenses?
ben_vulpes: even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations?
mod6: oh, fair point Mr. Vulpes.
mod6: in other news, this is annoying:
mod6: emerge sys-devel/gdb
mod6: ... bunch of can not find ur thing ...
mod6: >>> Failed to emerge sys-devel/gdb-7.7.1
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mod6: maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago.
mod6: running a `emerge --sync` now.
mod6: get your rags ready
BingoBoingo: lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend.
mod6: hey cool, its building gdb now :}
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.
☟︎ mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D
☟︎ punkman: ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.
mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':
☟︎ mod6: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy?
guruvan: mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got a correct toolchain? how're you building ?
guruvan: just happen to be building a buncha gentoo docker images today
mod6: guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:
mod6: CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc'
guruvan: oh - have you rebuilt everything with that?
mod6: or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?
mod6: # gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 *
guruvan: is that gcc rebuilt with itself?
guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?
mod6: guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.
mod6: i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.
mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.
guruvan: the configure there completely fails
mod6: couldn't even make an a.out
jurov: guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says
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jurov: oh it was mod6 he already did
guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site
mod6: i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.
jurov: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this
mod6: guruvan: really? cool!
mod6: jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.
guruvan: those images are superbig dev images - all source and everything still onboard
mod6: heeey this is really neat 'RUN echo "Building Daemon" \ ... && wget <URL_TO_FOUNDATION>/v0.5.3...tar.gz \ ...'
guruvan: I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week
BingoBoingo: guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch
mod6: so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.
guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
☟︎ mod6: no worries atm. but yeah, awesome work. thanks for doing that
guruvan: you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath
guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change
shinohai: I finally got V to work for me just hours ago.
shinohai: 3 day battle for latest patches xD
mod6: ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in.
mod6: on my list of things to work on is also a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet.
guruvan: is V something y'all threw together?
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guruvan: I've never heard of this at all
guruvan: I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then
mod6: that would be the bees knees.
BingoBoingo: guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance.
mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
☟︎ mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.
mod6: And ben_vulpes wrote one in CL
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mod6: there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol
guruvan: I like it with wot sigs - very interesting
mod6: feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!"
mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.
assbot: HARDFORK: Fix mining centralisation by luke-jr · Pull Request #6 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1JRtOca )
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz
pete_dushenski: "Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same
BingoBoingo: Smith machines have a long history of controversy
mod6: <+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy
mod6: this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this:
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')
ben_vulpes: seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts
ben_vulpes: of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways
guruvan: I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.
pete_dushenski: call it entomology, call it popcorn entertainment, it's what it is
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying h
mod6: guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.
mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point
mod6: i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.
mod6: well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug*
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle
ben_vulpes: hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb
mod6: guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it.
ben_vulpes: because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first.
mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard.
ben_vulpes: last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours
ben_vulpes: i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain
mod6: it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels
ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
☟︎☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then
ben_vulpes: heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:08:10; mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
☟︎☟︎ mod6: we discussed it in here, a bit of varience is fine.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "we'll give you a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"?
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R)
ben_vulpes: mod6: im still a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers
mod6: for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents.
ben_vulpes: i think i understand what you're driving at
jurov: lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
BingoBoingo: jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit
mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
mod6: basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should.
mod6: i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this.
mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: which to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl
mod6: in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.
jurov: pete_dushenski: done
mod6: my 0.00000002 was: hey, whatever floats your boat.
jurov: let's skip straight to cobol
ben_vulpes: did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.
pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !
☟︎ mod6: that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful.
ben_vulpes: i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line.
jurov: pete_dushenski: that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption
ben_vulpes: far better to be useful helping mod6 than to waste time like me on deadlang impls that don't even work
jurov: pete_dushenski: in the hypothetical 15k world
pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it
jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km
☟︎ pete_dushenski: oil products have a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
BingoBoingo: car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like truck.
ben_vulpes: this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette
ben_vulpes: 'twas built for glass-smooth late seventies roads.
pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are
ben_vulpes: i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.
jurov: tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris vastly benefit from mass production infrastructure
pete_dushenski: the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road
jurov: pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites
pete_dushenski: but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off
pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.
☟︎ jurov: but i was talking about materials (and machinery)
jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material
☟︎ pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.
jurov: well, and how does it dosprove my point?
jurov: i did not say ALL materials
jurov: sigh. okay let burn me on sigle word
jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
☟︎ pete_dushenski: and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market
punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs
☟︎ jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around
ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.
jurov: but they have small volume
jurov: it will lead to disruption in any case
ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.
pete_dushenski: new one takes its place, maybe this takes time, maybe not
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.
☟︎ jurov: well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional
jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product
☟︎ pete_dushenski: that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye
pete_dushenski: you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ?
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jurov: "of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf
pete_dushenski: jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.
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ben_vulpes: steel mill doesn't make sense to operate unless operated continually, no small-batch fabber is going to do so.
ben_vulpes: plus costs of molds, does it cast? forge? roll?
jurov: pete_dushenski: why would a person pay for such an one-of-a-few computer?
pete_dushenski: because it's useful ? because it's unique ? because fuck you (not you, but "you") ?
punkman: "In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds."
jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: so they're a glorified waste-processing plant.
pete_dushenski: jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ?
jurov: because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available
jurov: for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure
jurov: for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 11:47:29; punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?
jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
☟︎ pete_dushenski: with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution
jurov: funny that communism actually achieved this.
jurov: you could fix "skoda 120" at home with a pit and basic tools
jurov: so not at all hard to imagine.
jurov: what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive
pete_dushenski: aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in.
jurov: and my reply was that dependence is best strategy
jurov: so not really feudalism, but one schelling point
pete_dushenski: within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)
pete_dushenski: jurov: seems impractical for one ruler to manage that much complexity
jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems
☟︎ jurov: pete_dushenski: of course he will delegate
jurov: but then it's hierarchy
jurov: people always try to overstep dunbar number
jurov: what's to stop them?
pete_dushenski: still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc
pete_dushenski: so having geographic divisions still makes sense, even across cultural lines if people can't be persuaded to get along via market forces
jurov: pls explain that to every russian ruler in past 200 years
jurov: "distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc"
jurov: by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan
jurov: nope. what can expand, it does. beyond supplies, food, equipment,.. etc limits
jurov: and these limits went way bigger recently
pete_dushenski: cancers expands ad infinitum too. until the host dies and the worms move in.
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