Adlai: don't worry, i'm just phucting with you
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Adlai:
https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=Adlai << so, while the current contributors' reasons for not using git[hub] are understandable, i'll leave this up and perhaps update it at my leisure, in case it'll be useful to anybody inhabiting a separate region on the paranoia/lazyness continuum
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assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls
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Adlai: people other than me have used it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00042506 = 12.9643 BTC [-]
Adlai: (specifically for this repo)
Adlai: i only set up the repo. doing so required going through all the manual steps (and i did verify gpg signatures with identities fetched from public keyservers)
Adlai: of course i understand, although i still think darcs could actually work for this
Adlai: (after reading more about its workings)
Adlai: let's put it this way: the act of fetching signed patches with darcs conducts *exactly* the manual verification workflow which you currently do
undata: Adlai: this was my argument.
undata: git and others are a damned hash database
Adlai: yes, and they're not looking for a hash database
undata: Adlai: it turns out there are a few of those
Adlai: they're looking for verified patch lists
Adlai: asciilifeform: you can add metadata such as patch dependency which is not evident just from the patch's raw contents
undata: Adlai: as you were then; git solves precisely this problem or would not work.
Adlai: git commits to a specific state of code. what if it becomes evident that a specific developer was working to introduce bugs, and you only want to excise his patches? that has unbounded painfulness in git, but bounded painfulness in darcs.
Adlai: same bounds hold, or don't, for "his patches, and all those dependent upon them"
Adlai: which is why darcs lets you add manual metadata for dependency constraints
Adlai: a "conflict" would require a separate patch, which should be signed by the resolver
undata: asciilifeform: the process of producing a git commit is entirely dumb
Adlai: darcs isn't that intelligent. the input data it gets from a repository is a partially ordered list of patches, possibly signed. this is slightly more general than an ordered list of patches, but just as secure and interactive/manual
undata: and your nuke sub is going to get harder and harder to work on as the number of patches grows
Adlai: !s risk homeostasis
Adlai: apparently logs aren't either!
Adlai: at least, not to a great degree... but i get the idea
assbot: Program Provability and the Rule of Technical Greed
undata: asciilifeform: the process you've demanded be manual is not nearly a hard enough hurdle to filter undesirables
undata: it's just a pain in the ass
undata: I'll argue that git is doing precisely what you're doing by hand.
Adlai: i'm going to stop talking before i sound like a broken record, but this topic is likely to come up again once i've got something more substantial to say in defense of some tool for easing (ie, partially automating, up to the point of confirming signature verification) this process... no guarantee on how soon that could be, or which tool.
Adlai: darcs seems the likeliest candidate right now, though
undata: you're not removing complexity; you're just making the same process slower
undata: asciilifeform: there is not one single canonical timeline in any project
undata: to me you're saying damn the microscope or we'll never understand this cell
undata: I'd like to slash out the db bits and try something else, but I'm not going to bother with trying to manually merge other people's patches as they come along in process
undata: that is precisely the scenario git helps
assbot: Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
Adlai is not sufficiently familiar with each line of code itself to tell which of those contributions, or ones in the ensuing spikes, are trivially trustable, and which aren't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49173 @ 0.00042192 = 20.7471 BTC [-] {2}
undata: asciilifeform: it is absurd to think that software cannot help enforce that rigor
undata: or why did we make it at all?
undata: asciilifeform: it's more likely that your text editor diddled than git did
undata: your text editor isn't checking against known hashes
Adlai: undata: this is more along the lines of "confirm by human approval that an unforseen software/bureaucracy/insanity 'bug' isn't afoot"
undata: being able to apply 700 patches by hand, having verified signatures on each one, is no measure of intelligence
undata: it confirms you're a ploddingly simple mechanical device
Adlai: according to github, v0.5.3 has 36 committers with github accounts (for example, doesn't include satoshi). compare this with starting on Apr 1, 2011: 8
undata: Adlai: there is a mountain of bugfixing to re-apply
undata: asciilifeform: at some point wont you have to delegate that?
undata: torvalds addresses this regarding the kernel and git
undata: he uses WoT to manage what makes it into the kernel
Adlai: of course, but the "manual trust verification" approach taken further would suggest only applying critical bugfixes, as patches, signed by the developer who wrote them (preferably with a signature published at the time of the fix, alternatively obtaining a signature in the present day... or manually verifying the patch's trustworthyness, and signing yourself)
undata: Adlai: so I sign the hash of the commit with my gpg key
Adlai: and how does what I just said miss that?
undata: asciilifeform: so are you going to trace that line of code by hand through 1500 patches?
undata: and is that more reliable than git blame?
undata: now I'm supposed to trust your infallible eye
Adlai: s/trust/origin/, s/manually verifying/claiming responsibility for/
undata: I might not try and use the thing at all.
undata: I'd observe it then try a clean re-implementation
Adlai: well, you can't convince another person you're not a martian. hell, i don't think i could convince myself that i'm not unwittingly carrying out martian bidding.
Adlai: but you can ease recovery from covert evil martian sabotage
ben_vulpes: why so much more confident in the satoshi turd than the conformal blackbox?
undata: but this can be taken to the absurd
undata: it has always been broken
Adlai: surely these purely hypothetical martians already had their eyes on it before "bitcoin was valuable"
undata: asciilifeform: I don't believe or disbelieve it
undata: one can always suppose a reason why tonight's the night they come to get him
Adlai: at least one tla took an active interest back in 2011...
Adlai: and please elaborate on the hypotheses
Adlai: (or just point out log links/searches)
TheNewDeal: the only one I can think of is, wait until it gets 10, or 100 times bigger
undata: why would they create it? impending fiat disaster?
TheNewDeal: not interested about the nsa connection now, but the "why hasn't he pulled the plug?" question
undata: TheNewDeal: supposing "he" is usgov; why wouldn't they just sit back and let it take over, and hold their 1/21 or more of it?
undata: and continue to be the thing they've been
TheNewDeal: that's obvious to me why it doesnt matter if he is nsa
undata: I don't see a reason to pull any plugs
joecool: !isitdup wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
undata: asciilifeform: I am not
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2013 00:57:19; asciilifeform: anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn?
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:43:25; TheNewDeal: second that statement
undata: here's a doubling down of it: NSA intends to take over the hashing power of the network and implement coin validation
undata: ushering in a dark age
joecool: yep, everything on bitcoin-assets.com down for me
undata: asciilifeform: yes that
Adlai: ;;isup search.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: search.bitcoin-assets.com is up
undata: bitcoin could easily be one of the most dystopian inventions ever
undata: depending on who has the hashing power and what they intend
assbot: 00:57:19asciilifeform:anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn? - Pastebin.com
undata: asciilifeform: this brings me back to my comments about the pile of weapons
Adlai likes how the pastebin gets dated by the newsfart mention
joecool: !isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
joecool: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
undata: the pentagon is the actual US govt
undata: this civilian bureaucracy is a skirt
joecool: Adlai: used to ! on the otc channel, bad habit
Adlai: the lizard-hitler popular with my conspiracy friends has dabbled in history from a much earlier age
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2013 00:40:16; asciilifeform: i can't help but imagine some fellow at Meta-NSA, with a pill against ECDSA hidden under a flower pot in his office, laughing his arse off at these morons.
Adlai: he/they are responsible for crossing mammal and reptilian "genes" (phenotypes? genotypes? details, damnit! details!)
Adlai: Homo sapiens [sapiens] being essentially some form of automaton / robot slave / controlled experiment, conducted by these lizard-nazis
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.)
☟︎ Adlai: which is quite an illiteracy, these days
Adlai: ignorance is bliss, eh assbot?
Adlai: assbot is immune to suicidal depression, because it doesn't even know it exists
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.0004115 = 27.2825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 09-04-2014 09:10:25; mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."
nubbins`: - if the project is deemed infeasible, 0.5 BTC (less tx fees) will be returned to a Bitcoin address specified by asciilifeform, no later than 2014-11-15.
nubbins`: loose ends and the tying up thereof!
Adlai is curious what is considered a secure stack for financial sites, eg mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36427 @ 0.00041773 = 15.2167 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i still want to print this if/when the time comes that the chicken is whittled down to edible meat and bone
Adlai: nubbins`: why aren't you printing it?
assbot: A dangerous idea - serialized delusions
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 233caa80975f203b65927c705e5fa2876354ab6ddb8c4f684ca76ebeab44ab71
Adlai: and indeed, isn't it acceptable, in some circles at least, to look at family photos?
joecool: hm reading about the assets project to roll back to 0.5.3, i see "rip out bdb" ? drop wallet support so it only functions as node?
Adlai: this roman doesn't seem to care much for his friends' feet. perhaps the shoe's pinch points would bother them too, if they were to walk long enough in the same shoes?
notary: nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
joecool: ben_vulpes: wallet.db support
ben_vulpes: is management of a single address not enough for you?
nubbins`: np, may our day in the sun come
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7723 @ 0.00042926 = 3.3152 BTC [+]
nubbins`: incidentally, you'll get a chance to check out pictures of my large-format binding work later this month
joecool: asciilifeform: i see, what exactly has been happening? were people expecting gavin to crap out a reference eventually or just keep adding BIP's and pile on the crap?
nubbins`: i think "people" were expecting what people always have/will
joecool: nubbins`: someone else will get around to it
ben_vulpes: "the people" want everything they're told they want and to pay for nothing.
ben_vulpes: kinda why the open source ownership of satoshi's codebase failed so dramatically.
nubbins`: dat lack of bare-bones implementation, etc
ben_vulpes: the preference of "the community" for something that sorta-works across a broad spectrum of use cases
ben_vulpes: (albeit poorly at any of them individually)
joecool: so there's a todo, is there a repo you guys are using or a a mailing list for patches?
ben_vulpes: lol don't really know if it even works yet
undata: joecool: repo?! scoff!
thestringpuller: "There are no infinite loops in Ethereum because cycles cost currency and there is a finite amount of currency."
ben_vulpes: but if you're going to hack on it, start with the 0.5.3 dist at f9beb4d9.org, apply asciilifeform's "chicken" patch, and then yours on top of that.
thestringpuller: has anyone been able to load blockchain yet without exploding?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'm still inching my blockchain to wedging
ben_vulpes: i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge
ben_vulpes: that i can use to track down potentially unwedging commits i should say.
joecool: ben_vulpes: will it reindex a pulled in blockchain or is it a necessity to pull in from start to finish?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0004105 = 10.8372 BTC [-]
Adlai envisions a method of automatically sussing out the wedge point, but it requires the use of automation tools...
assbot: Manpage for git-bisect - man.cx manual pages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12295 @ 0.0004105 = 5.0471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22828 @ 0.00041956 = 9.5777 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: Adlai: git bisect is actually the plan
ben_vulpes: joecool: "reindexing" is something that gavin's fork does to find all of the transactions relevant to addresses in your wallet in a given blockchain.
ben_vulpes: reverifying the blockchain is something else entirely.
joecool: so 0.5.3 and earlier did not do such things?
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 and earlier have wallets, and all the concomittant braindamage like "reindex"
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 is just a not unreasonable starting point for the project.
ben_vulpes: the story behind its selection is pretty amusing and may need to be revisited.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how much of what is on your computer right now, actually -does- something ? << i guess about half.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: additionally, i'm scripting the approach to the wedge point so that i can reproduce both the wedge and it not happening trivially with git bisect and other scripts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54873 @ 0.00042886 = 23.5328 BTC [+] {3}
Adlai: ben_vulpes: please share your bisection script
ben_vulpes: i don't have a blockchain that wedges yet, nor have i reproduced the wedging point
assbot: [Bash] #!/bin/bash TEST_DATA_DIR=aplace WEDGE_BLOCK=999999 clean_data_dir() { - Pastebin.com
assbot: [Bash] #! /bin/bash # assumes that bitcoind is running blockmax=$1 should_continue - Pastebin.com
ben_vulpes: hardly groundbreaking. just tiptoeing around, because...enthusiasm kills the sapper.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.0004334 = 29.2762 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: should be interestinf to see if sleep actually resolves [part of] memory leakage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: undata: this comes up here at least once a month, and i regret to say that it is mostly my own fault. <<< that it has a good response is mostly your fault. that it appears... it'd have appeared anyway.
mircea_popescu: now if i only had a link to where it was put to rest, to pass along to undata
ben_vulpes: leather over wood prehistoric thinger?
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is the coin that changed the world but that doesn't mean the first try doesn't sink in heavy storms
assbot: Stephen Biesty - Illustrator - Atmospheric Cutaways - Megallan's Carrack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @ 0.0004249 = 1.112 BTC [-]
undata: mircea_popescu: regarding the NSA conspiracy, it's amusing, but doesn't seem likely that they'd undermine fiat intentionaly
undata: asciilifeform: because unintentionally they're undermining their own existence by existing in the first place
nubbins`: anyone else find it mildly interesting that the last 5 chars in deed ID of jurov's signed treasurer's contract are "urovj"?
nubbins`: i stared at it for like 10 minutes
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undata: asciilifeform: the strange thing to me: it doesn't matter at all what actually happened
Adlai: it's considerably shorter than the usual legalese, but just for starters, they could have separate terms for all the paid cruft, and leave the free service simple
undata: these events serve as fine propaganda tools no matter what for both sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00042727 = 14.7195 BTC [+] {2}
undata: asciilifeform: the usgov can tag its own pentagon with a missile in broad daylight
undata: seems like the US and Russia are gradually building support for a very large war
undata: meanwhile, related: they're starting to bang the Iraq war drum here, again
undata: only this time Syria must go as well
undata: if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, and whatever I wanted in eastern ukraine, at least
undata: and I'd most certainly try to help stir up whatever particular brand of shit the americans can't resist in the middle east
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5598 @ 0.00043346 = 2.4265 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> anyone else find it mildly interesting that the last 5 chars in deed ID of jurov's signed treasurer's contract are "urovj"? << it's in the logs.
mircea_popescu: <undata> if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, <<< obviously, you're not russia.
mircea_popescu: it needs more oil under a sheet of ice like kim kardashian needs more pubic hair.
PeterL: doesn't russia pretty much have as much oil as they want right now anyway? why do they need an excuse to grab more?
Adlai: any theories on reasons for the temporal hint of correlation between btcfiat and s.mpoe?
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00043346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0004105 / 0.0004339 / 0.00046194 (2681850 shares, 1,163.66 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00053599 / 0.00065245 (7576604 shares, 4,061.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00067967 / 0.00081111 (23975563 shares, 16,295.66 BTC)
undata: mircea_popescu: still, controlling supply means having an influence on price
mike_c: i don't have any words of wisdom on mpoe.
mircea_popescu: undata you don't understand. siberia is a huge space, full of minerals they can't access because ice.
ben_vulpes: wasn't the last major mpoe action a big rally during the big btc rally?
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PeterL: and no way to transport out, no oil pipes
ben_vulpes: there is this sneaky theory that btc price is driven by mpoe holders
Adlai: well look who's been asleep now :P
Adlai: so, why would they need to dump mpoe to boost btc?
Adlai: doesn't mpoe operate "within" bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu will bang on about that at will
ben_vulpes: could just be momentum and a long dry spell on mpex
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: except! in the case of the 1990s alt.tasteless 'golden turd award.' <<< anything good in there ?
ben_vulpes: i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund
Adlai: note that i'm asking less "why did mpoe drop" and more "what evidence supports a correlation as the explanation for the temporal coincidence?"
Adlai: for all i care, it could have risen. i hold none (yet)
ben_vulpes: Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc
ben_vulpes: mpoe is a goddamn mystery to me, Adlai.
mircea_popescu: Adlai afaik there was never in the entire history of bitcoin proposed some sort of credible / evidenced based interepretation of wtf it does.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: for the first time ever my mpoe holdings are underwater
mircea_popescu: Adlai: this roman doesn't seem to care much for his friends' feet. perhaps the shoe's pinch points would bother them too, if they were to walk long enough in the same shoes? <<< you know your crowd-* obsession is at some level based on the fundamentally evil notion that people are interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: there isn't some sort of "us" that could just as well be a standin for any of us.
Adlai: people aren't interchangeable, but shoes (and artifacts of their ilk) are increasingly produced and repaired in an interchangeable manner
mircea_popescu: no mythical man month, because no mythical man, not because no mythical month.
mircea_popescu: Adlai this, because industry is increasingly a piece of shit.
ben_vulpes: yet somehow programmers are supposed to be a dime a doze?
Adlai: dime a doze sounds closer to reality
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the sort of "programmers" that "add features" should actually be charged to go to work.
mircea_popescu: like, gavin et all, should pay a daily fee to be allowed into the amusement park where they pretend like they matter
mircea_popescu: much like strippers and whores pay for their place of work, don't get paid by the landlord.
ben_vulpes: they are paying, the bill just isn't due yet.
bagels7: being a whore is > working minimum wage your whole life
mircea_popescu: "Despite being drowned in graceful donations and membership fees, they just keep piling new and new code without proper specification and proper testing, making mistakes or even forks inevitable and thus providing cover for abominable interests."
mircea_popescu: you know, jurov is actually a very talented historian.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 02:49:52; mircea_popescu: Adlai afaik there was never in the entire history of bitcoin proposed some sort of credible / evidenced based interepretation of wtf it does.
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: Daily and weekly bitcoin transaction cycles
ben_vulpes: Adlai: bitcoin days destroyed is a good correlation to check too
Adlai: that, and block reward (fee amount, as opposed to fee count)
Adlai: not specifically relating to mpoe, more for possible next steps for analyzing bitcoin network activity metrics
Adlai: the article i linked looks just at confirmed transaction count, which is a narrow metric of all the stuff happening across the bitcoin network
assbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha
Adlai: while people might not treat people as interchangeable, dama fortuna does. "shit happens", especially in warzones... is the revelation in this article supposed to be surprising?
Adlai probably used the word "article" a little liberally there
assbot: Logged on 12-11-2014 00:20:12; mircea_popescu: i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin"
cazalla: thestringpuller, not up to date on logs so no idea what this conversation is about yet
Adlai: that is some impressive lazyness, cazalla. i like it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16402 @ 0.00043481 = 7.1318 BTC [+]
cazalla: Adlai, i read the logs daily, just yet to finish today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1249 @ 0.0012 = 1.4988 BTC
Adlai is exponentially more likely to have read a log entry, according to the shortest path from the present moment back in time to the target entry, where b-a.com links are weighted roughly the same as simply reading backwards
Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me
Adlai: for increasingly stoned values of "interesting"
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 03:56:49; asciilifeform: the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty.
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally in hardware, with physically separate ports
decimation: thestringpuller: you want to ssh to your wallet?
cazalla: asciilifeform, as much as i appreciate the translation (my primary school teacher died on mh17), it's a bit of a stretch for qntra to publish it as bitcoin news
cazalla: i mean, i see the angle given governments but still
Adlai: *these last 15 months
cazalla: Adlai, i'm up to date on logs now btw
decimation: how do these 'northern route' theorists discount the satellite contacts from the engine control systems?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13737 @ 0.00042921 = 5.8961 BTC [-]
Adlai: or, in the king's english: MPOE needs to increase IPOs/¼
Adlai can never quite tell the two apart, sorta like body/blood and bread/wine
cazalla: it is interesting they release the images just as the g20 starts here in australia
Adlai: (link works through torify curl, not sure why anything else should fail)
Adlai: mpcd = 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR ?
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thestringpuller: For the reason MPCD failed, is likely the reason MPIF is struggling to find profit centers.
assbot: its been down for 20min
Adlai: well, it looks like MPCD "failed" (the contract didn't fail, the shares "just" lost value) due to investing in what could be called "rockstar investors", who seem to make a habit of burning out spectacularly, taking half the fanbase with them
Adlai: more than any bug i've (inadvertently? subliminally coerced into?) introduced to scalpl, i regret the times that i've manually tweaked its trading parameters, and contaminated its performance data with human idiosyncrasies
decimation: someone is messing with routing tables
assbot: log1 as well, same box afaik
assbot: its probably our friend 'little numbers' as i call him. he visited bitbet earlier for a moment.
decimation: my router bounces from telia to an isp in pheomix called "cwie llc"
assbot: phoenix? would be correct.
assbot: would you believe me either way?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that was my point.. just because something could be 'on the net' doesn't mean it should
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26764 @ 0.00043157 = 11.5505 BTC [+]
cazalla: not sure, i just f5 f5 f5 f5 like anyone else
cazalla: when looking for news, i come across quite a few MLM schemes for bitcoin such as bitcoincycler.net, quite a few use pic/video of JuliaTourianski_ lol
decimation: once when I emerged from the Tube in London I was handed one of those free tabloids by some bum. I was amazed at the extremely low quality writing, and pro-welfare ads
decimation: yeah I guess that's why people don't immediately toss in the rubbish bid
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decimation: eh, it could have been. I felt dirty touching the thing, didn't examine it closely
The20YearIRCloud: I love their 'articles', locally we used to have weekly world news, and it went under. However in the UK for some reason tabloids are HUGE there. Along with soap operas
assbot: DRUNK BONKS DONER KEBAB | Sunday Sport
decimation: this stuff makes the daily mail look classy
assbot: Gruber Has Made At Least $5.9 Million For Government Work | The Daily Caller
The20YearIRCloud: That's a website though i think, the sport is an actual magazine in most places
decimation: why don't they have tabloids based in say columbus?
The20YearIRCloud: We have a few in the US, and they're all celeb rags. We *had* WWN but they went under
assbot: CHICAGO TO BE RENAMED “OBAMA CITY” | Weekly World News
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you do any business in franklin county?
The20YearIRCloud: Housewise? No, not a fan of their zoning & property inspection board. If we grow enough i'm sure i'll HAVE to go there, but for now i'd like to avoid it.
The20YearIRCloud: One of the counties we're in has virtually no permiting process for home repairs, if I did the stuff I'm doing there in Columbus I'd of had 5 figures worth of fines.
The20YearIRCloud: (Of course, I'd of got a permit in Franklin, but I hate the idea of it all).
decimation: do you think that's because they are in the union trade's pockets?
The20YearIRCloud: That wouldn't surprise me much, but they also have had coleman who is a ultra-liberal for years and years.
The20YearIRCloud: He's got a big claim to fame because he's good at 'renovating' poor districts, he does it by moving all the poor people from one neighborhood to another.
The20YearIRCloud: Downtown was a cesspool, then they kicked everyone out and made it so only rich could live there, alot of those moved to the short north. Then they did the same thing with the short north and all those people moved to Linden and Hilltop.
decimation: I've heard the short north is popular with the kids around osu
The20YearIRCloud: I had a house up there I was dealing with for someone, and I had roofers up there doing work. Zoning came by and complained that we hadn't bought the $100 permit, so they forced the guys off the roof even though it was going to rain soon and wouldn't let them put the tarp up there till there was a permit.
decimation: this as much as anyone 'owns' a house in the us
The20YearIRCloud: Well, you can drive 45 minutes outside of a columbus where you can buy land, build a smoke factory and the county asks for a $5 paperwork fee and literally nothing else
The20YearIRCloud: So, if I can go into a neighborhood where they really don't want me there, and one where the city bends over backwards to try and help me out, i'll go with the second one
decimation: I imagine property tax in columbus and the 'burbs is sky high too
The20YearIRCloud: A cheap house where we're working will run $450-$800 , same house in Columbus would be $1000-$1200
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23499 @ 0.00042279 = 9.9351 BTC [-]
The20YearIRCloud: of course the scale of markets is quite different. In the 4 counties I expect to be able to find maybe 200 quality properties a year. In franklin I could find 200 a month easily.
decimation: for the quality of hovel you are buying and fixing, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a few empty plots and buy some trailers or 'tiny homes' or whatever
decimation: I guess you gotta pay for utilities, etc in that case
The20YearIRCloud: I haven't delt with trailers yet, I want to but it's a different deal since you have to develop them out (including sewage) which is an EPA deal you can't get around easily.
decimation: I recall you saying a few months ago that they are all really old
decimation: yeah I guess where you are there is no water or sewage
The20YearIRCloud: Our first one was 2000sf, 5+br , 2ba, attached garage, built in 1880 and it turned out great
decimation: back in that time that would have been a mansion
The20YearIRCloud: It would have been a medium/high level person's house. It's near downtown and is only a few houses away from a speakeasy that was in operation during prohibition. It sold recently (the speakeasy) for around $200k.
decimation: was that the amish fellows who cleaned it up?
The20YearIRCloud: I know I joke about owning slum houses, but they're all actually very nice. I underprice our rentals by maybe 5%-10% under normal market prices, and keep em in slightly better shape.
The20YearIRCloud: That first kitchen was the first complete rehab we did on a kitchen, every single thing there is brand new.
The20YearIRCloud: Second kitchen photo is from a duplex we just bought for $30k ($15k a side)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that flgiuht path thing is not nearly as indicative as it may seem to the casual observer.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me <<< actually a reconstruction of the ba logs where lines are nodes and they're given pr as per original google mechanism may be the first step towards stemming this whole bundle.
Adlai: right, but then you can look at properties of the graph's flow to draw wildly overzealous conclusions about the attentiveness and lazyness of real live humans
mircea_popescu: decimation: my router bounces from telia to an isp in pheomix called "cwie llc" <<< this sounds like a route hijack then. qntra is in amsterdam.
decimation: interestingly I'm getting pings through, very very slowly
assbot: qntra is on phoenix nap, amsterdam.
assbot: ;;isup also everything even if it not a valid url
gribble: also everything even if it not a valid url is up
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is proving impossible to debug, people not seeing it pls to pastebin traceroutes at the time you don't see it.
assbot: "example.com" actually is up
gribble: canonicaldowndomain.com is down
assbot: decimation yes its hosted there
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 05:39:46; mircea_popescu: aha!
assbot: that entry is wrong, its routed just fine to ams
decimation: is that your picture of an ohio hovel?
decimation: I donno, it smells to me like a server problem
joecool: responding to ping for me, nothing else
mircea_popescu: how the fuck. the server has been up all along, the load is like 0.1 or some shit for the hour.
joecool: mircea_popescu: nginx or whatever other server you use on it crashed?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would i see pages on a crashed server anyway.
cazalla: is that Bruno Kucinskas all there in the head? he reckons patrick murck raped like 30 kids
mircea_popescu: phin gage is a little strange. he does tons of research, some of which is useufl.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 05:39:14; mircea_popescu: internet needs a canoniucal down domain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00043684 = 18.5657 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: curl: (7) Failed to connect to localhost port 0: Connection refused
Adlai wonders what's running on... some server
decimation: the server is up, it looks to me that there is at least one route that is being ddosed/constantly reset
Adlai was wondering about ;;isup's server, should've !b5ed for that context
mircea_popescu: decimation the best i can come up with is that yes, some weakly router that is nevertheless for insane unexplainable reason priority route from the us is constantly fucked up
mircea_popescu: and im not even sure that i can do anything about it other than write angry letters.
decimation: someone might have figured out how to trip the 'anti-ddos rate-limit' trap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3784 @ 0.00042279 = 1.5998 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: At this rate we might need a router foundation!
decimation: I donno. if there is some theoretical anti-ddos filter, it might try to limit its action to certain subnets?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm having this looked into, but i tell you i dun even know wtf.
BingoBoingo hasn't had trouble accessing qntra in quite a while a few hundred miles from geographic center of USia
decimation: yeah in theory the internet has all kinds of redundant routing, in practice there are many chokepoints it would seem
Adlai: lizard nazis probing the turmite colony's readership habits
joecool: qntra works from romanian ip
joecool: lets try some other countries
mircea_popescu: decimation this sporadic working no working would seem to mean route.
decimation: yeah it could be some kind of route poisoning
joecool: BingoBoingo: looks same as mine except i have a ??? between the last two
fivezerotwo: hello again. so assbot appears to be hosted on this server, interesting
fivezerotwo: have fun figuring out what this attack is ^_^
fivezerotwo: assbot, well it was taking a while to respond here
Adlai toils and link graph bubbles
mircea_popescu: In the beginning there was assembler. And programming was hard. The semantic gap between how humans think about problems and what we knew how to tell computers to do was vast; our ability to manage complexity was deficient. And in the gap software defects did flourish, multiplying in direct proportion to the size of the programs we wrote.
mircea_popescu: And the lives of programmers were hard, and the case of their end-users miserable; for, strive as the programmers might, perfection was achieved only in toy programs while in real-world systems the defect rate was nigh-intolerable. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
mircea_popescu: i have NEVER and I do mean NEVER saw programs as good as bacxk in the days of asm.
mircea_popescu: i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made anymore, and hardly a proper suit of clothes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe their lives were harder, but 1960s programmers certainly seem happier.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because asm hard is the proper sort of hard. whereas dependency hell and library cruft is the horribly bad sort of hard.
decimation: well, the systems were small enough to 'fit in the head' as ascii might say
mircea_popescu: climbing a mountain versus diving in a septic tank sort of hard.
assbot: nope, not satisfactory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00042279 = 5.6442 BTC [-]
Adlai: ;;google recursion
Adlai: hm, no link to the google results page?
Adlai is talking about "<span class="spell _uwb">Did you mean:</span> <a class="spell" href="/search?espv=2&q=recursion&spell=1"><b><i>recursion</i></b></a> "
decimation: qntra.net is down for me now, trilema too
assbot: BIP-65: Revisiting nLockTime | Qntra.net
thestringpuller: Adlai: i can't see the article yet so I can't answer the question
Adlai: thestringpuller: BIP65 article, link to CTransaction::nLockTime
decimation: 'this' being the current state of computing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.0004271 = 26.2453 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: imagine 'future war' where your squad as a 'laser machine gun'. In order to take the next hill, you need to lay down suppressing fire. the laser machine gunner opens up, and the enemy doesn't notice
decimation: qntra is dead, but trilmea just popped up again
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
decimation: I suspect that fusion-powered robots will be doing most of the fighting anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00042279 = 7.3354 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> what next, laser musketry volley? <<< srsly. what's this supression fire, like laser welding ?
decimation: I imagine there's going to have to be some kind of visible protocol, otherwise the enemy would simply be confused about what's going on
mircea_popescu: decimation if you could fire silent bullets you'd find loud ones because protocol ?
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:41:00; asciilifeform: because it is the only one which existed upon the earth before bitcoin was valuable!
mircea_popescu: not like military grade laser will be like in star trek
decimation: right, one that transmits somewhere in the visible spectrum (to humans)
Adlai: max paranoia = starting around april 2010, at least one tla began stockpiling coins
decimation: I suspect the first 'military laser' will be infrared
mircea_popescu: decimation you're late. the first military laser IS co2, uv.
decimation: but that wasn't really a man-portable system
mircea_popescu: it woulkd be uv and uuv anyway. higher energy better focus less scatter.
Adlai: well, short of satoshi acting in a tla-ish manner, perhaps due to belonging to a tla himself
decimation: Something you could give to a grunt to replace his rifle
decimation: actually this brings up a good point, why aren't 'silent guns' more popular in military circles
Adlai: "TLA is a three-letter-acronym for three-letter-acronyms." << i'd go as far as/cronyms/gencies/
decimation: are you saying that you can't use a silencer and a sub-sonic round?
dub: lockheed are buildinf fusion batteries now
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next logical bezzle step is a tesla-lockheed merger
mircea_popescu: just think, the promise of the electric car married to the promise of the fusion battery
decimation: yeah I agree they aren't 100% silent, but the advantages of silence seem to be large
BingoBoingo: <decimation> are you saying that you can't use a silencer and a sub-sonic round? << Range and terminal energy at the target become huge problems this way
mircea_popescu: decimation swat / town warfare teams use supressed weapons
decimation: I suppose the idea that the 'standard grunt' is snaking up on someone is unlikely
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you mean, like a fusion bomb?
Adlai: thestringpuller: overall though i liked the bip65 article, it was worded neutrally enough that it could almost be tagged 'News'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has the hand of man enabled the disabled cores in an intel chip ?
decimation: right, the 'fissile' bomb runs out of fissile material
mircea_popescu: how do you add deuterium inside the core ? with an enema pump ?
mircea_popescu: well, let's ut it this way : the reason the state does not collapse in a tsunami of violence is not now nor was it ever historically that such would be physically impossible.
cazalla: well, qntra is intermittent for me
mircea_popescu: otherwise, see the experiences of the various members of the tsar's fambly with artisanal bombs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this curren state will collapse regardless. not a technical, but a policital problem. it just sucks.
decimation: although thorium is a fissile material
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter is that with the current state of manufacturing, i could build my own nuke. wouldn't even take a decade.
mircea_popescu: i can centrifuge my own uranium, there's plenty of places where it's directly exploitable etc.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the iranians don't manage just shows how fucktarded htey are. it's by now a one man job.
decimation: sorting out u235 from the other neutron spewing isotopes isn't trivial
mircea_popescu: state that can't build a pot is one thing. state that can't keep a secret however, deserves to die.
Adlai: !s feeling of power
cazalla: mircea_popescu: certainly not a top hat. <<< maybe akubra? nfi on top hats but they have a solid rep
mircea_popescu: cazalla i know specifically what im talking about, because the last looms capable of making the required felt were destroyed a decade ago as part of a family feud.
mircea_popescu: the world has physically lost the capacity to produce top hats.
mircea_popescu: to me this is much worse news than the extinction of whatever stupid fish or crap
decimation: asciilifeform: of course stalin's agents were all over the us bomb as it was being made
cazalla: mircea_popescu, sounds familiar, this story on trilema?
cazalla: something to do with looms is, that i know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41927 @ 0.00042729 = 17.915 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: see, it's imbeciles like this that cause trouble. now the point will have to be carved out of some innocent women's skin that nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: had he just pointed and laughed at the "offended" idiots we could have just moved on.
mircea_popescu: basically matt taylor is personally responsible for a few violent gangrrapes now.
mircea_popescu: we need to bully these autistic savants a whole of a lot more, can't be letting the libtards having all the fun.
decimation: yeah I don't get it, if your'e gonna wear a shirt with semi-naked women in front of an international audience, show some follow-through
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure i can still write on punch cards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00043661 = 19.7348 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6109 @ 0.00043769 = 2.6738 BTC [+]
decimation: each saturn rocket was basically a metal art peice
decimation: someone has to program the robots after all
mircea_popescu: whosoever programs the robots doesn't have to do so with chewing gum however.
mircea_popescu: the fact that bitcoin .5.3 is full of spot welds is not a quality.
notary: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 6 hours and 14 minutes ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle
punkman: speaking of shitty code, thing's stuck again
decimation: it seems to come down to a question of economics, it's generally cheaper to pay a master craftsman to labor over one item, but if one is building thousands it is worth the start-up cost of the robots
decimation: one can imagine the software craftsman being aided by tools (likely of his own making)
decimation: but the idea of 'mass production software' is nonsensical
mircea_popescu: this "ctrl-c at console" business is so... hm. primitive.
punkman: so electrum is blocking forever when I try to send a tx, then the tx sending thread gets stuck
mircea_popescu: nah, more like a retarded athlete who, after a majorly incredible game where his team won very closely or lost very closely is like
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman i think eventually you're gonna ahve to ditch electrum and run a daemon - these issues are somewhat known and why deedbot 1.0 replaced it w/ api
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: oh deedbot1.0 tried to use electrum?
RagnarDanneskjol: the last one actually works perfectly fine - just was on unsecure server
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: From the gif where it did the salt licking
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: well it didn't actually verify deeds
mircea_popescu: "This muddle finally hurts those following in the researcher's path. Long after he has his Ph.D. or his tenure, inquiring students will be put off by the document he has left behind. He seems to have solved everything already, so the report says, yet there is no tangible evidence of it besides the report itself."
mircea_popescu: this is actually the fundamental problem with western academia. the self-licking icecreamcones problem is just a convenient frosting over this, but the point remains that even should that matter be solved, as it trivially would be solved - by say a stalin, which is always cheap
mircea_popescu: nevertheless academia would STILL be fundamentally broken to the point of complete dysfunction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23272 @ 0.00042858 = 9.9739 BTC [-]
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, meh not promoting something that thinks "When a user wants to create an address, the user provides her identity to an IVS. The IVS checks that the provided identity is the identity of a real person who can be located and be accountable if illegal activity is detected, similar to existing Bitcoin payment systems such as Coinbase." is a good idea
Adlai: you wouldn't say that militaries are still churning out pilot plants, but the automation/control balance of piloting itself has shifted?
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 07:32:47; asciilifeform: ultimately, there is no factory that churns out pilot plants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36210 @ 0.00042725 = 15.4707 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23040 @ 0.00042362 = 9.7602 BTC [-]
Vexual: the sd one is cool, i dont undertand the other thing
Vexual: oh yes, just different form factors
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "It appears he's list 5 billion since June 30th" << lost ?
assbot: Buffet Problems | Bingo Blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00043676 = 21.3576 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46809 @ 0.00043868 = 20.5342 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15928 @ 0.00044006 = 7.0093 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> <undata> if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, <<< obviously, you're not russia. <<< dat unfamilairity with arctic sovereignty claims
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7212 @ 0.00043657 = 3.1485 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.08636714 = 1.2091 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31992 @ 0.00043573 = 13.9399 BTC [-]
assbot: SeansOutpost comments on An open letter to Jason King of Sean's Outpost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.0004225 = 33.3775 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: i never got the "feed the homeless in this guy's city instead of in your own city" thing
nubbins`: LOOK AT ME I'M DONATING TO SEAN'S OUTPOST
nubbins`: THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE
BingoBoingo: Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit.
nubbins`: nearest "city" is 20k people a 10 hour drive away
nubbins`: anyway, always suspected that guy
nubbins`: Easy Feel-Goods for sale, only $1.25
BingoBoingo: No, easy feel goods are $75 at the massage parlor down by the strip club
xanthyos: so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing
xanthyos: business days, so essentially a full week
xanthyos: using the customer's assumption that banking is a slow process (2 business days) and doubling that hoping they won't notice just to extend their opportunity to abort a sale that's not in their favor
mats_cd03: 08:56:40 <+BingoBoingo> Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit. << aka San Francisco
xanthyos: actually liberal "utopias" like sf have very little accomodations for the poor
xanthyos: as someone who's been homeless i've found it much easier to survive in backwoods towns in minnesota where people are poorer and not politicized
xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does
mats_cd03: sure. there are still hills of homeless in SF, despite billions spent trying to fix it
xanthyos: SF spends its billions laying asphalt for zig-zaggy roads on their hills, not on the homeless
mats_cd03: "The city spends $165 million a year on homeless services, about half of which funds supportive housing. That’s one of the highest levels of per-capita spending on homelessness of any city in the nation, said Philip Mangano, who served as the nation’s homeless czar under President Bush."
mats_cd03: "... the nation's homeless czar" << lol
xanthyos: someone should take a box cutter to nancy pelosi's plastic mask
The20YearIRCloud: and yet their homelessness problem is still one of the worst in the country
nubbins`: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fa7a9bfb7a0cda9a3b7302dd46bf9392bd9f7b87f41cecfed6437ddb
assbot: Stephen Harper at G20 tells Vladimir Putin to 'get out of Ukraine' - World - CBC News
nubbins`: curious to see what a .ru article about this says :D
nubbins`: "According to MacDonald, Putin did not respond positively. He didn't provide further details."
jurov: btw, what else can putin do? taking care of the nation is not capable of enacting western definition of lawful order
jurov: despite generations of geletical pool cleansing
jurov: try to go and conquer
jurov: nothing alse make sense
jurov: *nothing else makes sense
nubbins`: the guy who runs javaranch got me into cast iron
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
assbot: Tamerlane's Thoughts: Assad's 31 forms of torture
nubbins`: jurov / urovj i wait for my oil to smoke before putting food in the pan :/
nubbins`: i won't know when the pan is hot enough!
assbot: How To: Cast Iron Skillet Non-Stick and Lasts a Lifetime
jurov: when cooking with olive oil, i can say by smell it's right temp
pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: i actually use viscosity as a guide leading up to the smoke point
nubbins`: this linseed thing is a neat idea tho. my 9" cast iron could use a fresh start
nubbins`: it's rough-bottomed, tho, not sure if it's worth such special treatment just ye
jurov: so why the separatists were so eager to claim it?
assbot: Ukraine Separatist Social Media Site Claims Plane Downing
jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to
jurov: but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth
jurov: nor has russia denied strelkov's boasts
jurov: BUK was the name of the rocket, russians have it and the border is non-existing
assbot: BUK missile launcher shown in Russian separatist stronghold before MH17 crash | Daily Mail Online
jurov: ^ photos of it allegedly operating at the site
jurov: dunno we ever solve this here, it's clear as mud
jurov: how are they so certain it's urk fighter?
jurov: i can easily see russians doing it and placing buk in there as diversion
assbot: George Orwell: Looking back on the Spanish War
pete_dushenski: can anyone remember the title of that trilema article where mircea_popescu discloses how much he sold that 5% chunk of mpex for?
pete_dushenski: then number $7mn is stuck in my mind but i can't dig up the article to confirm
pete_dushenski has been reading lots of old trilema articles about the early mpex days
pete_dushenski: it's nothing short of incredible to see just how tame mp reads then as opposed to now
pete_dushenski: "I am by no means convinced it is even correct, but merely the suggestion of it has the sort of breathtaking effect sudden abstraction gives. The reason I’m publishing all this is, of course, that I’m interested to hear what others think. Fill me in below."
pete_dushenski: modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader
jurov: nonotube doesn't want to join bezzlatron?
ben_vulpes: note to self: next time compress the blockchain *before* copying.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ben_vulpes: what would he need the money for, pete_dushenski? embedding contracts in the blockchain?
ben_vulpes: give up, web technology will kill your children.
pete_dushenski: i'd personally be quite interested to see what nanotube would do if given a free $1.5mn
ben_vulpes: kinda dodges the question of why would vcs put capital into it.
nubbins`: CIS installed in epson printer. print a file. epson says "it is almost time to replace ink cartridges"
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ben_vulpes: but it's kind of an estes scale thing, and i want a giant tower of hydrocarbons atop which to ride out of this gravity well.
nubbins`: Anduck, you have L2 trust w/ assbot so you can take advantage of deed system
assbot: Trust system - users with most trust list trust
assbot: #bitcoin-assets blog posts
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i want a giant tower of hydrocarbons << for some reason i didn't even think you had a car
notary: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 9 hours and 16 minutes ago
notary: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06251 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 568 more bundles.
punkman: well in case someone forgets, both work
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: oh i own one. rarely use it though.
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ben_vulpes: but the things that one can do with a car don't really hold a candle to those that can be done with large rockets.
ben_vulpes: adios pete_dushenski, see you another day.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform haven't seen thickasthieves in a while either...
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nubbins`: he hasn't been around as much since he stopped with xbond, neobee, etc
nubbins`: i guess there's no gems left to push 8)
TheNewDeal: is evorhees considered a retired #b-a member?
nubbins`: iow, "gentlemen, we shall not be the future elite"?
nubbins`: but they can sure as shit eat crow :D
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nubbins`: there are success stories in here? o.O
TheNewDeal: if Mp wee #1, voorhees was #2, who would you say is number 3 in the success story lineup?
TheNewDeal: just curious - I'm capable of formatting my own opinions, just want to see how they measure up to others
nubbins`: probably tat, he got rich as fuck
TheNewDeal: but he was mostly riding the coattails, no?
nubbins`: his coins aren't colored as such
TheNewDeal: didn't he run a passthrough that was basically just an additional surcharge passthrough?
nubbins`: doesn't the corner store just buy flats of pepsi from costco?
TheNewDeal: I don't really consider the owner rich
nubbins`: he had what, two AM passthrus, the SMG passthru, maybe three neobee passthrus?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal sure, but if the owner didn't have to buy a store and now drives around in an escalade...
TheNewDeal: you could call bitcoin harware resellers successful
TheNewDeal: and I'm sure there are some that have made a pretty penny
nubbins`: what's success mean in this context anyway? got in early?
nubbins`: in that sense, mp is successful, but so is goat
nubbins`: successful as a measure of percent exit from fiat
nubbins`: implying wage labour remunerated in btc doesn't fit?
nubbins`: say, a blockchain.info employee
TheNewDeal: I can just as easily be a fry cook at mcdonalds and change my $100 monthly profits to btc
nubbins`: worth noting that this definition relies on flow in as well as out
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2014 19:47:07; asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.'
nubbins`: "great high pay job" 2 hour highway drive each direction, daily
nubbins`: anyway, i guess under these criteria i'd be considered a success, although i'm admittedly raising an eyebrow myself over this
TheNewDeal: Was working up in Canada a few weeks ago. Business owner claimed that everyone in Canada that wanted to work had a job
nubbins`: tbf a significant portion of my income still (a) is received in fiat and (b) doesn't come from this sphere
nubbins`: TheNewDeal ehhhhhhhh yes and no.
TheNewDeal: did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am
nubbins`: asciilifeform yeah, fair enough. not quite.
nubbins`: in the next half-decade or so, sure
nubbins`: looks pretty naked laid out like that, huh
nubbins`: i figured it was a combination of the rose tint coming off his glasses, and getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric
TheNewDeal: I don't see pankakke's argument considering dumb and evil people in bitcoin
TheNewDeal: isn't the same thing in the bezzle economy?
nubbins`: sure, it's just concentrated more here
nubbins`: all these starry-eyeds wandering into a lion's den thinking it's the just the coolest thing
nubbins`: and holy shit you can buy stocks i've always wanted to etc
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TheNewDeal: ahhh I've read that one before. On a similar note - does that empty block miner still persist? Haven't seen organofcorti mention it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, assbot totally should respond to buttboy
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mircea_popescu: and jurov thought HE had issues with whitespace via email. check out this kiddie, 100+ 0x20s
punkbot: Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.
punkbot: Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.
Anduck: fine, fine. dont help me damn ass bot
Anduck: mircea_popescu: does it cost to use deed service?
Anduck: sounds pretty good as in it doesn't shit the chain
Anduck: at least compared to the others...
Anduck: well, who holds the database?
Anduck: is it decentralized? it doesnt have to be but it'd be great if it was
mircea_popescu: you can dld your own copy. otherwise, punkman is maintaining the deedbot service.
Anduck: remember the link for copy?
Anduck: i checked deeds site, didnt even see an api
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have an api, but you can get json/rss iirc.
punkman: there are links bottom of bundle page
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE << lawl.
mircea_popescu: so wha' happened to notary ? and can the main address: 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny | contact: punkman@freenode get a count of deeds added in the middle ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: it disconnected and had to use alt name, guess I should set it up to revert to notary
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing <<< not really, because a) there's not so many people ike you, actually using them and b) the respective 0.2 bitcents or w/e add to about enough to buy me a steak.
punkbot: Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does <<< this is by design. cute but stupid 17 yo chick from minesota goes to cali to be rich and famous, has to confront the unexpected situation where being homeless there sucks so as to eagerly overcome her education and suck cock.
mircea_popescu: if she knew about the knife she perobably wouldn't run there.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: as you saw, i tried without first
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is deeds.bitcoin-a - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
nubbins`: and the fingerprint matches anduck's
mircea_popescu: Anduck we thank you for your test, ye cursed by the gods :)
punkman: yeah good signature indeed, hmm
mircea_popescu: and if anyone wonders wtf, i tried to see what happens if i add a newline at the end.
punkbot: nubbins`: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
nubbins`: something to do with your key or your relationship to someone
nubbins`: punkbot checks trust to assbot?
nubbins`: ehh that's just what the error says
Anduck: my educated guess: newlines problem
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i won't know when the pan is hot enough! << look at the oil.
mircea_popescu: (your eye does see ir. you just don't mentally see it, but you do see it.
nubbins`: yeah i wait for first wisps of smoke now, but viscosity is a good judge
mircea_popescu: that entire "can't distinguish hot glass from plain glass is bunk. you can, just need to look at it)
nubbins`: i copy/pasted your deed text to my machine, signed it, and it worked
nubbins`: now tbf copypasta has its own newline quirks i'm sure
nubbins`: but i think punkman covered all bases w.r.t. newlines
nubbins`: Anduck try signing a single line of text
punkman: only explanation is the bot doesn't have your key
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
mircea_popescu: maybe something as idiotic as "one line starts with slash" or w/e.
nubbins`: oh, i just took his original text, not the block
nubbins`: Anduck i guess try signing any other message and submitting it
punkman: mircea_popescu: I think problem with that is that it stops at nested END PGP SIGNATURE, instead of the outer one
punkman: but I remember testing that case
nubbins`: END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n$ or smth
nubbins` always has to look that stuff up
punkman: yeah, I know how to fix that
punkman: but why the hell is Anduck's key missing
punkman: should have been there when I bootstrapped pubring
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punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
mircea_popescu: jurov: when cooking with olive oil, i can say by smell it's right temp << also butter yeah.
punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
nubbins`: still doesnt explain anduck's weirdness
joecool: prob threw finncrypt at it
nubbins`: Anduck try another deed, would be nice to see if that was a problem with your key or your deed
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
punkbot: Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
Anduck: do i need to have this same text somewhere else
punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
nubbins`: haha it's the forward slash at the start of a new line.
nubbins`: Anduck you could probably just add a whitespace char to your original text, sign it, it'll work
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearsign doesn't produce the same signature on the same text btw.
nubbins`: i'm still only functionally literate wrt pgp
mircea_popescu: jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to, but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth <<< lol he got you there asciilifeform
punkbot: Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
Anduck: .deed anduck.net/ducktest.txt
punkbot: Anduck: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
nubbins`: looks like it's expecting a very limited charset for that first char
punkman: I think I may have borked permissions of gpg dir just now
punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader << But within that basic framework there are many subtle variations, only discernable to an acute observer, that reflect the many moods, the many shades, the many sides of MP!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski:"where's the $1.5mn funding for nanotube's WoT" << perhaps you don';t understand what "a protocol for decentralized and password-less authentication" means.
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punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: | 34 | Gavin Andresen | 0 | << not in forum trust list ; | 33 | OgNasty | 1 | << in forum default trust list.
punkman: yeah your key was missing for some reason
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: dupe)
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
punkman: will put that on todo list
mircea_popescu: - Expenses: 1505 (1257 Slickage, the rest mostly mods) << according to theymos, tardstalk has spent half a million dollars to one million this year.
punkman: on another message he says he's spent $350k on Slickage
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punkman: well don't know if that quote is real
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jurov: in node? hahahahaha
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jurov: i'm laughing because i do understand a bit
punkman: seems no commits since June
jurov looks forward to Math.random pwnage
mircea_popescu: so basically the 1-10 man dev studio is exactly one guy.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ? <<< you perhaps recall i said at conference i want two things made, an advertising service and a jobs board. we had some initial discussions about it, we ran into a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement, which turned out a much more complex task than originally imagined, last was "we
mircea_popescu: we'll have to think about this some more" and it's the last i heard from him on the topic. or in general, really. that was back in may.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the job board still needs to be made because this system where i drop something in chat and someone either happens to be here or happens to see it in logs is perhaps not optimal.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, it does provide proper incentive for noobs to read the thing, much to their benefit even if "they don't want to, because they know better", so whatevs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ? << not afaik, tho i'd like to have a hard drink myself. tho i imagine that'd ruin it huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this may also explain the disappearance of moiety and a few other folks. <<< it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ?
punkman: a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement << interesting in hearing some of those
mircea_popescu: punkman you familiar with the problems surrounding bitbet bets resolution ?
mircea_popescu: they [used to] spill out into here with some regularity.
punkman: well some of them at least
mircea_popescu: right. what do words "mean" ? and especially, what do contracts OBVIOUSLY mean.
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mircea_popescu: "In support of their argument that the Agreement preserves liability only for malicious breaches, defendants argue that the word “willful” would be unnecessary unless it meant “malicious.” There is no reason to limit liability to breaches that are intentional, they claim, because any breach of this Agreement would be intentional—”heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out
mircea_popescu: of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake.” As a factual matter, this claim is questionable. It could just as well be said that heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not sign merger agreements containing glaringly ambiguous terms that lead to avoidable litigation—but here we are."
gabriel_laddel: does anyone with experience with either gentoo or funtoo care to share their impression(s) of the projects? I'm interested in which group of devs is more intelligent, sane, etc.
Anduck: punkman: what was the error?
mircea_popescu: gentoo is well established, and currently my recommendation for noobs looking at linux.
punkman: Anduck: didn't have your key for some reason
mircea_popescu: Anduck therewas also an unrelated issue discovered, regarding first character on a line, so tyvm.
punkman: no slash character theory was silly
punkman: but problem with nested sigs
mircea_popescu: punkman no, because it failed on the test bundle above.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 20:12:52; punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. Errors: (msg1: invalid)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. <<< this is nonsense anyway. money is always needed, this is a scaling problem. average rat living in a hole in the middle east linking his pretenses to humanity to his possesion of an old cellphone someone lost may think ben_vulpes' l
mircea_popescu: ife is the end of want, having a wife and a house in the amerca!!!
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "not needing money" except for coma patients.
mircea_popescu: wanting is the sign of intellectual health, just like erections are the sign of reproductive health. if you're lying down with teh nekkid gals and get no pang to trash them around it doesn't mean you reached nirvana, it just means you're not long for this world.
jurov: didn't we solve a yesterday's conundrum about nature of life?
jurov: ie.e life can be defined as anything that needs money
jurov: or maybe intelligent life...
mircea_popescu: punkman put 1024 keys together with the irc nicks so i can send them a later tell ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: wage labour is wage labour, whether for usd, btc, or gold dubloons <<< this is an iffy proposition.
mircea_popescu: "wage labour" on fain, on a voluntary basis (internet work, add links, vote on links, comments -> collect points -> take out btc) had average monthly payments well over 1 btc. AVERAGE.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people took out 100 btc in one month. back then this was you know, a few hundred bucks, "wage".
mircea_popescu: they probably sold it, of course, but if they did not, they have a lot more liquid btc than say goat.
mircea_popescu: or any of the other talented folk that got in early, got out early.
mircea_popescu: so wage for btc is not unlike wage for stock warrants, ie, typical start-up work.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. let them put a decade in, build themselve financially to the position where they can participate in a start-up, and intellectually to the position where they actually aren't quite AS fucktarded as the average 20something.
mircea_popescu: because no, i don't credit for a minute this theory whereby the 20yo male is the be-all end-all hope-and-pride of humanity.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am <<< why should they get a choice ?
mircea_popescu: obviously if that's the only job they can get they AREN'T in their right mind. so why should their unright mind get an option as to what it wants to do ?
mircea_popescu: not everyone's brain works, even if everyone's brain THINKS it does.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric << "why can't we all just get along" ?
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of why or wherefore. i just do not wish to.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true source of trolling is exactly that. ironically enough, pankake was orignally selling himself as a troll for hire iirc.
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Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
☟︎ Anduck: so, are they idiots after all in that sense
mircea_popescu: im sure most of the cattle that i'm going to eat in my lifetime has also lived a pretty happy life,
mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
☟︎ Anduck: sure but its funny that many really are happy
mircea_popescu: krugman prolly "really is an economist", at least if you ask him.
Anduck: oh, what do ya think of him
Anduck: well, his bitcoin speech
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Anduck: i guess i cant read that one
mircea_popescu: funny lol. guy from the public went up to bernadotte, after wagram, "o, what did you think of the archduke's order of battle!"
Anduck: mircea_popescu: you know the new monero/bitcoin rpg stuff by rpietila?
Anduck: thoughts? will you attend
Anduck: ok. as it's question hour: thoughts about bitcoin short term (1-2 years) valuation?
Anduck: it's good to see how long bitcoiners see these last years of development
Anduck: there's too much of logs.
Anduck: seriously, even you wouldn't
mircea_popescu: i actually do. i imagine you have nfi idea what wagram is, either, but this gives you no pause, because you're happy without, right ?
Anduck: not relevant but yes i've zero idea of what a wagram is
Anduck: so you would value my speech here if i knew what a wagram is?
Anduck: just remember: this is not how the world was built
mircea_popescu: the world was not built by ignorant twerps. your ideas about "the world" are about as well formed as your ideas about "wagram". both are meaningless symbols to you. about one, you arbitrarily delude yourself you have something to say.
Anduck: i don't agree but im fine with it
Anduck: i guess i already stated i won't read the logs because there's too much and i've got better ways to find out what i want to find out =)
Anduck: doesn't make me ignorant twerp, or does it?
Anduck: please, give me a third "yes it does"
mircea_popescu: kids, you know ? tries to engage its mother on its own terms (cries). mother doesn't go for it. kid... INSISTS!!! because totally, if you ignore everything and just repeat your thing... well.. that's happiness innit.
undata wonders whether gribble or freenode itself is lagging today
Anduck: hopefully people here think clearly :)
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 hour and 9 minutes ago
sdffsd: Mircea, I can't access mpex.co, what's going on?
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empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com mpex.ws Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you have trouble with websites use the irc bots.
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empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (116 milliseconds), mpex.bz (131 milliseconds), mpex.ws (350 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (1681 milliseconds), mpex.co (error)
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mircea_popescu: ::later tell sdffsd nobody ever told you tor is not actually safe ? lol.
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mircea_popescu: "Recently it was announced that a coalition of government agencies took control of many Tor hidden services. We were as surprised as most of you."
mircea_popescu: what the next line should be ? "we suck, and we're stepping down. sorry we couldn't do what we wanted to."
mircea_popescu: what the next line actually is ? " Unfortunately, we have very little information about how this was accomplished, but we do have some thoughts which we want to share."
mircea_popescu: something fundamentally broken with these people's heads.
mircea_popescu: what do they instead claim ? "Bitcoin deanonymization"
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's right. USG pseudo-secrecy agency used to fuck up idiots stupid enough to trust it now claims "it was bitcoin"
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undata: punkman: that's incredible
undata: of note, "nsa-hugging"
mircea_popescu: they closed off a major street downtown (rivadavia) and put a scene up and everything in front of the cogress building
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the parade consisted of like... i dunno, five people ? six ?
jurov: interesting, last year they report over 100 thousand ppl
mircea_popescu: i saw it with own eyes, about one guy every three minutes or something
jurov: aparently it was almost banned
mircea_popescu: i dunno how banned it'd be if the city closed down a major street for it.
jurov: looks like not really banned only asked a fee for the security
jurov: and there is something about public indecent conduct
jurov: En ese fallo se responsabilizo por delitos comunes exclusivamente a la Comunidad Homosexual Argentina (CHA) y se la condenó a pagar $450.000.- por un delito ocurrido en la vereda de la plaza donde se realizaba un acto.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they have very right-wing ideas about dispensing justice here.