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cgcardona_: imo
mircea_popescu: interesting
JorgePasada: :-)
mircea_popescu: kinda the same here no ?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you
JorgePasada: That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks
JorgePasada: bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case
cgcardona_: the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?
mircea_popescu: eh what the hey.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: tsk. get in the wot will you.
cgcardona_: my point exactly ^
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
mircea_popescu: or w/e, "a barrister"
cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
kakobrekla: just dont mention purses.
cgcardona_: ha
cgcardona_: #purses-assets
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin pourse ?
mircea_popescu: no wait. the pitcoin pourse
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?
kakobrekla: AND ITS NOT 92
kakobrekla: dammit.
artifexd: Ok. Still... what is it about?
kakobrekla: im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1
artifexd: Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123
kakobrekla: :D
artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
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artifexd: 137:124
kakobrekla: awww, ty. 13 to go.
kakobrekla: lemme grab two socks real quick.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096987 = 6.4011 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?
mircea_popescu: and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha
asciilifeform: from the freakshow:
asciilifeform: http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html
asciilifeform: (in all major languages!)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06281638 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5752001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15884 @ 0.00011316 = 1.7974 BTC [-] {41}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00012309 = 0.5066 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1468 @ 0.00012251 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05026895 = 2.1616 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3532 @ 0.0001138 = 0.4019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05071427 = 0.355 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05158326 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096047 = 9.5087 BTC [-] {2}
cgcardona_: This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL
cgcardona_: the network effect of finance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57999993 = 1.74 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5910001 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: ^isn't that a joke
TestingUnoDosTre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved
ozbot: Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube
kakobrekla: nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
cgcardona_: not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.
cgcardona_: the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.
cgcardona_: i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread
TestingUnoDosTre: Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D
cgcardona_: i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days
cgcardona_: *green line which is the green line* <----huh?
cgcardona_: *which is the unique addresses used per day
kakobrekla: i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph
mircea_popescu: i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol
mircea_popescu: lol
cgcardona_: yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
cgcardona_: *don't get me wrong
mircea_popescu: me either, but neither are science.
mircea_popescu: just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit
cgcardona_: it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)
cgcardona_: it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years
mircea_popescu: and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0178997 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.
mircea_popescu: the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"
thestringpuller: 22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one
TestingUnoDosTre: hahaha
cgcardona_: was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip
cgcardona_: the ascii art is off the hook
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.
cgcardona_: there's still quite a few boards out there.
mircea_popescu: im impatient
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?
joecool: probably the private key extraction challenge
mircea_popescu: http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg
TestingUnoDosTre: why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff
mircea_popescu: this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.
cgcardona_: classic.
TestingUnoDosTre: oooo gotcha
joecool: should get his number, call to make a reservation
mircea_popescu: by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
cgcardona_: now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
mircea_popescu: loose tie'd never work
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.
ozbot: BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015
mircea_popescu: look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.
mircea_popescu: and these are the "successes".
mircea_popescu: Xobni ?!
mircea_popescu: 280 North ?!
mircea_popescu: i mean holy shit.
mircea_popescu: Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."
cgcardona_: omgpop
cgcardona_: what about heroku?
cgcardona_: they're pretty cool IMO.
mircea_popescu: i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.
mircea_popescu: would you pay $100 for anything they do ?
cgcardona_: sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce
cgcardona_: i pay them about $40 a month
cgcardona_: so yea
mircea_popescu: you do ?
cgcardona_: i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated
cgcardona_: for the ssl endpoints I pay
cgcardona_: haha
cgcardona_: says the bitlord
cgcardona_ bows
cgcardona_: i doubt your antiquated
mircea_popescu: rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here
cgcardona_: haha
cgcardona_ ducks
mircea_popescu: lemme see maybe i have a link
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
cgcardona_: ouch
joecool: ruby on rails, it's the hipster way™
mircea_popescu: well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.
mircea_popescu: then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac
mircea_popescu: but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.
mircea_popescu: how about all the other 60 shits in that list!
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?
mircea_popescu: Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.
mircea_popescu: really ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00095977 = 6.823 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: lol. fucking classic
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?
cgcardona_: "it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of costanza's investment.
cgcardona_: and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X
cgcardona_: think of the good times ahead
mircea_popescu: http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-05.shtml
ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: It’s called Sendrax. They’ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.
mircea_popescu: ELAINE: Televising opera?
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.
joecool: hmm whatever happened to tradehill
TestingUnoDosTre: Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/
mircea_popescu: joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./
TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, why is that?
mircea_popescu: Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."
joecool: i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
mircea_popescu: joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.
TestingUnoDosTre: ahhhh
mircea_popescu: The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."
cgcardona_: MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies
mircea_popescu: i reiterate. the above was... a success ?
cgcardona_: hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it can not.
cgcardona_: perma-broke?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?
cgcardona_: borked
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.
mircea_popescu: Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."
mircea_popescu: dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.
mircea_popescu: VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."
mircea_popescu: apparently... phones are an app now.
mircea_popescu: SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."
mircea_popescu: like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.
mircea_popescu: or in other words... penis.
cgcardona_: ": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic
cgcardona_: that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^
artifexd: For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale: http://i.imgur.com/IFbIx3C.png
mircea_popescu: "munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"
cgcardona_: yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped
mircea_popescu: there, we have a logo
cgcardona_: haha nice
artifexd: I guess if you shift it, it could fit.
cgcardona_: ;;rate artifexd 1 for science
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cgcardona_: nice work artifexd
mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.
artifexd: For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x): http://i.imgur.com/oplWqjI.png
artifexd: Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.
cgcardona_: looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward
TestingUnoDosTre: is that the logo for Munch on me?
cgcardona_: hahaha
cgcardona_: *ties it together*
artifexd: Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.
mircea_popescu: artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525
mircea_popescu: shit
mircea_popescu: that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa
cgcardona_: data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
artifexd: graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.
mircea_popescu: mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.
mircea_popescu: that's gonna be my slogan for a while.
cgcardona_: mp. talks in 3rd person
cgcardona_: thats a good slogan too
artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong
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mircea_popescu: artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!
mircea_popescu: it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.
mircea_popescu: because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
artifexd: Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/78Rz5KL.gif << look from 700 to say 900
mircea_popescu: if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.
mircea_popescu: roughly it may be, but similar not.
cgcardona_: i see your point. on a log scale
mircea_popescu: on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.
dub: this is lame
mircea_popescu: hey dubsy!
dub: ahoy
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.
mircea_popescu: dub so what's so lame about it ?
dub: lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it
mircea_popescu: TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."
cgcardona_: sounds like it could be huge
cgcardona_: these kids today and their "cell phones"
cgcardona_: *fund em*
mircea_popescu: dub trick question.
mircea_popescu: Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."
mircea_popescu: "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
mircea_popescu: Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.
mircea_popescu: actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.
artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit
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mircea_popescu: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."
mircea_popescu: kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:
mircea_popescu: surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
mircea_popescu: SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."
mircea_popescu: o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
gribble: Error: 'knows' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: sold out for 8mn
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
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mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously?
mircea_popescu: prolly.
artifexd: It's a veritable rate-fest in here.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm looking to start a blog on climate science
mircea_popescu: good niche.
mircea_popescu: huge shortage of words on that topic
mircea_popescu: </sarcasm
TestingUnoDosTre: I was joking as well
mircea_popescu: Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.
mircea_popescu: anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.
TestingUnoDosTre: all of them!
cgcardona_: YC = £u£$
cgcardona_: they do it for the lulz ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.587 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.62, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 12445.68945649, 24 hour low: 397.16, 24 hour high: 427.75, 24 hour vwap: 410.365466491
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491
gribble: 445.357894178
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0645 = 0.645 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
cgcardona_: I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin
TestingUnoDosTre: It wasn't RIGHT before
cgcardona_: *made some coin
cgcardona_: i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?
TestingUnoDosTre: there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet
TestingUnoDosTre: My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change
mircea_popescu: so like 10 hours early.
TestingUnoDosTre: yep
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/list-of-victims-of-their-own-success.102679/
ozbot: List of Victims of Their Own Success | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one
mircea_popescu: (for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.596 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: this under 300 bet is very intruiging
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so
mircea_popescu: But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they’ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We’re done here, we’ve won.)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
ozbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
mod6: heh, its up almost 10TH/s
mod6: *10k
artifexd: How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?
mircea_popescu: apparently i got my own nsa
TestingUnoDosTre: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: should I be laughing or not?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!
mod6: night
artifexd: If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)
benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.
benkay: sam altman running y combinator
benkay: graham tire of the derp circus?
artifexd: Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.
asciilifeform: gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
asciilifeform: yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.
benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
benkay: artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.
benkay: a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations
asciilifeform: benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.
benkay: not entirely crazy
asciilifeform: plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli
benkay: if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses
artifexd: Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".
benkay: but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is
artifexd: Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.
asciilifeform: any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm
asciilifeform: again, not a secret, in itself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00096005 = 5.3043 BTC [+]
benkay: so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
benkay: artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.
asciilifeform: benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it
benkay: not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
benkay: asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd
asciilifeform: let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing
asciilifeform: you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work
asciilifeform: but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...
benkay: i'm with you 100%
dub: uh, siesmologists dont generally predict earthquakes
benkay: helens
artifexd: I think my (possible?) mistake is in thinking that he has access to the same information as the rest of us (specifically, me). He may have more people to pour over it and analyze it, but the raw information is available.
benkay: that'd be what we call an 'assumption'.
artifexd: Or rather, that I have access to the same information he does.
asciilifeform: won't predict, but will show where fault line, etc.
asciilifeform: simplified example
benkay: ;;gettrust JorgePasada
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: never
benkay: JorgePasada: i can't rate you unless you get in the WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00096042 = 4.4179 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: When I was in the Navy, lower ranked officers were nothing special, but even lower enlisted (like myself) didn't have conversations with the Captains and Admirals. There was the understanding that they were "people" just like us (meaning the enlisted folk), but their concerns and our concerns didn't overlap enough to allow for everyday conversation. There
artifexd: was a real caste system.
artifexd: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it.
benkay: that understanding is the glue holding the democratic army of america together
artifexd: And yet, every time I talk, he gives me the time of day. When I question him, he responds reasonably. I guess that encourages me to treat him as an equal.
benkay: and yeah, they're probably just like you in the particulars of their lives and mistresses and dinners and base houses etc
benkay: heh
benkay: bow to your bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor ye are not equals.
benkay: some day i'll get to say that to someone in all seriousness.
artifexd: Honestly, I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed that he appointed me as a bitcoin baron. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014&bots=true#622843
artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I?
artifexd: Anyway, time to put the existential crisis on hold and get some work done before bed.
benkay: lowest of the low, artifexd
benkay: baron must do his lords work or be stripped as i understand it
artifexd: Do you remember the first time somebody gave you real responsibility? "Don't let me down, kid." type stuff.
cgcardona_: sure. when I found out my gf was pregnant.
artifexd: Trust, belief, whatever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00096353 = 15.4647 BTC [+] {3}
artifexd: Kinda heavy but also empowering
benkay: "here's a cluster, kid."
benkay: shat myself almost.
benkay: "you're on call now."
cgcardona_: SuperUser
benkay: greybeard
benkay: in an odd turn of events that no doubt indicts my past masters for incompetence i've always had root on der boxen
cgcardona_: not i
cgcardona_: but i've joined teams of 80 engineers
cgcardona_: so of course I didn't come on board w/ root
cgcardona_: in fact once someone took over my screen/vim session w/ ascii art/text telling me about an engineering meeting.
benkay: brutal.
benkay: my generation hacks on cloud vms in eerie silence.
benkay: leastaways that's how we learn before getting hoovered out of our ditches into Business.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the discreet escort leverage the WoT?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
gribble: Error: 'I' is not a valid integer.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.
TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp?
dub: yes
dub: but he's holding off for GLBSE 3.0
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm wondering because shortly after he left, the books are going wild with buys
dub: statistical certainty
benkay: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=SENT grep for broker
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00096003 = 2.5441 BTC [-]
joecool: mp needed dem sales
joecool: gotta catch em all
TestingUnoDosTre: what does he mean by ATC broker, maybe OTC insead?
TestingUnoDosTre: for pankkakke
artifexd: Altcoin
artifexd: http://www.therealaltcoin.org/
ozbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
artifexd: Also #altcoin
artifexd: Speaking of which, last sale was at 170. Geez...
TestingUnoDosTre: last sale of altcoin?
TestingUnoDosTre: Altcoin*
artifexd: Yeah. At x-bt.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00096003 = 5.7122 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: did thickasthieves make atc>
artifexd: He did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5603 @ 0.00096593 = 5.4121 BTC [+]
artifexd: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/
ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin | Bitcointa.lk
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/13_there-is-no-recourse-in-bitcoin-only-trust-and-identity.html
ozbot: There is no recourse in Bitcoin - only trust and identity
TestingUnoDosTre: oh my gawd, I'm laughing my ass off while reading this forum. How the hell did he pull this off?
benkay: share some gems, TestingUnoDosTre
TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4873000#msg4873000
ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin
TestingUnoDosTre: "All other pretenders to the altcoin designation must be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4874236#msg4874236
ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin
fluffypony: please tell me someone set up a pool to let the miners mine and never find a block
artifexd: benkay: I'm trying to find an article that I think you wrote. In the article the statement "Storing bitcoins on a phone is the god damned stupidest fucking thing evar." Or something to that effect. Do you remember that?
benkay: ah yeah half a sec
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html
ozbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin
benkay: it's probably a bad thing that i'm the search engine for my blog
artifexd: Yep. I was looking for this paragraph:
artifexd: urthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB cable5
artifexd: and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00096431 = 1.5429 BTC [-]
artifexd: I love that.
artifexd: That article is the top result for "goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin"
benkay: for real?
artifexd: Try it
benkay: hahaha
TestingUnoDosTre: lol
benkay: and yet
benkay: ;;google goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin
gribble: Peter Schiff On Gold vs Bitcoin | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/peter-schiff-gold-vs-bitcoin>; Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Is Finished | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/bitcoin-exchange-mt-gox-finished>; Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20dasw/switch_all_units_to_microbtc_by_default_issue/>
artifexd: http://i.imgur.com/SzVdluK.png
artifexd: Personalized search, I guess.
benkay: yeah nobody really understands gribble's search magic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00095943 = 11.5611 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: showed up for me as well, after I viewed at least one of your articles
benkay: fascinating.
benkay: well, index me into the googleborg gents
benkay: i'm off to harass the womenfolk and ingest intoxicants
benkay: don't start glbse 4.0 without me, eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096489 = 7.7191 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: !up smidge
assbot: Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
artifexd: !up bigtip
assbot: Voicing bigtip for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095928 = 25.7087 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 53 @ 0.55454814 = 29.3911 BTC [-] {22}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.48482131 = 10.6661 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550152 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00550068 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 51 @ 0.53881428 = 27.4795 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00095865 = 13.0856 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.476 = 4.76 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4521 = 4.521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7524 @ 0.00096087 = 7.2296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00537477 = 1.2846 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00512132 = 0.7323 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 351 @ 0.00501118 = 1.7589 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.49949099 = 4.9949 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.50999 = 4.5899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51999 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00096203 = 3.7519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4357 @ 0.0009635 = 4.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00096305 = 10.8343 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6099 @ 0.00096034 = 5.8571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.52353107 = 15.7059 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.53999 = 5.3999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54249735 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.54999 = 5.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06657358 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3691 @ 0.00095846 = 3.5377 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06657389 = 0.3994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00095836 = 4.4085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 601 @ 0.00070694 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 399 @ 0.00069284 = 0.2764 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 983 @ 0.0006871 = 0.6754 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 821 @ 0.00066555 = 0.5464 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 542 @ 0.00066 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1711 @ 0.00064243 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 847 @ 0.000527 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10838 @ 0.00095818 = 10.3848 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06657389 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00095812 = 6.3236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00095812 = 13.749 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01500002 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001079 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00096058 = 6.2918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5498 = 2.749 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55984712 = 2.7992 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.0051 = 0.3927 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03420434 = 0.1026 BTC [-] {3}
bounce: this needs a better translator: http://www.goxdox.org/2014/04/mtgox-to-be-acquired-by-silk-road_12.html
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5524 @ 0.00095772 = 5.2904 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: "This PR team apparently sees nothing wrong with this Sponsor’s association with Silk Road Equity LLC (I am not shitting you)."
Namworld: It's not being aquired by Silk Road... it says Silk Road Equity.
Namworld: Domain registered in 2003
Namworld: http://www.silkroadequity.com/portfolio.html
ozbot: SilkRoad Equity - PORTFOLIO
Namworld: They have Bitcoin related website, some real estates and restaurant and random stuff. Eh...
Namworld: The name seems to be a bad coincidence. An awful one even.
Namworld: Doesn't look like an appropriate candidate anyway. There's no amount of duct tape that can fix MtGox.
fluffypony: yeah
Namworld: And own silkroad.com, which is HR related, which must be their first business, hence the name: http://www.silkroad.com/
fluffypony: I read somewhere they're offering 1 BTC and are willing to absorb all the liabilities
Namworld: What liabilities?
fluffypony: all the money Karpeles stole, presumably?
Namworld: So, basically, they are insane?
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: they'll probably take the BTC pool that has been "discovered"
fluffypony: and then distribute that proportionally
fluffypony: so everyone gets 1/8th or whatever
fluffypony: of what they had
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00095751 = 2.0108 BTC [-]
Namworld: 200k/650k or 750k so like 25-30%?
Namworld: Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost"
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: I don't think they'd be stupid enough to cover the rest, unless they never want to ever achieve any level of profitability
bounce: then call it a day. then what? a rotten website and trading "engine", an unwilling user base (I mean... well, they didn't walk away before, did they?), and, trouble with nosy 'merkin regulators. what'd be in it for them?
fluffypony: bounce: who knows what goes through their heads
fluffypony: maybe they think the gox name is salvageable
bounce: could be a TLAgency front. then again, why go through all the trouble? might as well set up one anew.
fluffypony: yeah
Namworld: Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. It's the code created by Karpeles and Karpeles himself.
Namworld: If they don't have to pay back balances lost, just what's left, and get to have all the userbase with docs...
Namworld: They could even relaunch anew with their own name
fluffypony: yeah
bounce: depends a bit on what you could do with that. though apparently you could've grabbed that yourself, seeing the guys that first promised not to sell the loot, then offered to sell it anyway.
fluffypony: bounce: you'll be surprised who comes crawling back
Namworld: That's the only thing I can imagine someone going after, the doxed userbase without having to pay balances
fluffypony: also afaik, wasn't gox tightly integrated into some trading platforms?
fluffypony: a lot of heavy traders aren't going to want to reinvest fresh capital and then still have to pay for compatability with whatever platform they use
fluffypony: but the opportunity to keep using the tools even with only 25% of their capital that was in gox
fluffypony: may be appealing
Namworld: Bounce, if someone took it from the hacker and spammed the users telling them "We already have your docs, come trade on a good BTC market! *LINK*"
Namworld: Well let's just say it wouldn't pass.
bounce: notice how you can s/hacker/boogieman/ and you'd make about as much sense. in fact, you'd be more honest.
Namworld: eh
Namworld: Anyway, I'm going off, gn all
fluffypony: inght
fluffypony: night
dexX7: <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-] << ouch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11079 @ 0.00095751 = 10.6083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17323 @ 0.00096268 = 16.6765 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5077 @ 0.00096357 = 4.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00095696 = 11.34 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066574 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14792 @ 0.00096378 = 14.2562 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla good move on the assbot pm
mircea_popescu: maybe s/To get a voice, a permission to speak/To get voice (ie, to be able to speak),
mircea_popescu: actually,
mircea_popescu: To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00096482 = 1.7367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.0009655 = 3.7172 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones
assbot: Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you teh twitter guy ?
dexX7: "The same bug also affected the forum. Changing your forum password is recommended." on btctalk.. is this msg new?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you may be the last one using .org, people kinda moved to .lk
dexX7: i don't like the .lk design
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with it ? (just curious, i dun do forums anyway)
dexX7: it's too flashy and colorful
mircea_popescu: o.O
los_pantalones: yo yo mircaea_popescu
los_pantalones: i am the twitter guy
dexX7: or maybe it's only because i'm too used to the original
mircea_popescu: ;;rate los_pantalones 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
los_pantalones: a man in tight pants, who likely shouldn't be
mircea_popescu: so pastebin that thing if it's not secret
los_pantalones: yeah, i'm a noobie
mircea_popescu: and also, you know ben panced ?
los_pantalones: not a secret, it's a logical disagreement
los_pantalones: no, i do not
mircea_popescu: ;;google cow and chicken "the red guy"
gribble: Red Guy - Cow and Chicken Wiki: <http://cowandchicken.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Guy>; Cow and Chicken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_and_Chicken>; Red Guy Compilation (Reupload/Speedy) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1bUeJ5P8L0>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06699997 = 0.536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: one of the best cartoon characters of all time. always naked from the waist down, always funny pants reference names, a whole pants thing
los_pantalones: well, i look just like al gore iii in his mugshot
los_pantalones: so that works too
los_pantalones: give me a sec to get stuff up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06699997 = 0.335 BTC [+]
los_pantalones: but the basic premise is that price bets are not a binary event, they lose probability over time
los_pantalones: quicker than say something like "will there be a gay player in baseball by august 10th"
los_pantalones: that bet can hit all the way to the last day
mircea_popescu: no worry,
los_pantalones: whereas a price bet requires time to work towards a goal
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to write an article the past half hour, so, i can use the break
mircea_popescu: take your time
los_pantalones: so the longer it's not near the event the lower the prob of it occuring
mircea_popescu: and i brb.
los_pantalones: k
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com let us understand mutual betting together
gribble: Let's understand mutual betting together pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/>; ZoneHedge Wow. Such Durden. Much info. About useless. pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/>; Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/least- (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999 = 1.12 BTC [+]
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu this is admittedly from the first time i looked at the contracts
los_pantalones: was getting my head around them
los_pantalones: but
los_pantalones: here's the email
los_pantalones: http://pastebin.com/VWcdtLXh
ozbot: bitbet time decay - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 230 @ 0.00150656 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {4}
los_pantalones: i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/
ozbot: The elitism memory hole effect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: jurov: someone's squatting your nick
fluffypony: jurovv
fluffypony: [14:06:55] jurovv has userhost ~jme823@pool-71-126-42-170.pitbpa.east.verizon.net and real name "nunyo"
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2013#404631 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: (see the prev day too, it was a lengthy discussion)
mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones
assbot: Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: also to voice yourself, id with gribble an pm assbot !up
los_pantalones: yeah, learning the ropes here
los_pantalones: trying to follow your rules
los_pantalones: i'll try to get something more concrete for you
los_pantalones: have any experience w/ black-scholes ?
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.
los_pantalones: ha, MY BAD
mircea_popescu: you can assume complete and absolute comprehension on the part of -assets, like you were talking to god.
mircea_popescu: then if i don't understand wtf you're saying ima ask somebody to read it to me.
los_pantalones: i had forgotten
los_pantalones: welp, let me see if i can put something coherent together in the next couple days
los_pantalones: can i ask if you are pro/anti the accelerated decay argument?
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: never mind me, argue it for itself.
los_pantalones: yeah, of course, was curious
mircea_popescu: i can see either side.
los_pantalones: k
los_pantalones: that brk_a settles in march 2015 ?
mircea_popescu: Resolution:
mircea_popescu: in 11 months 6 days (17-03-2015)
los_pantalones: tanks
mircea_popescu: a good approach, perhaps, would be to create a class of similar bets and follow them over the history of brk.a
mircea_popescu: to leverage the fact that we have a 50 year history of price signal in that asset.
los_pantalones: i was going to find the optimal time to bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1966 @ 0.00096482 = 1.8968 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: and see if that would critically impact other prior bets
mircea_popescu: or thay
mircea_popescu: that*
los_pantalones: k, thanks for the 60 minutes of fun
mircea_popescu: !up dvsdude
assbot: Voicing dvsdude for 30 minutes.
dvsdude: ty
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see that ? "thanks for the 60 minutes of fun" the man says. why can't you be more like that!
mircea_popescu: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/11/irs-seizing-tax-refunds-children-grandchildren-over-parents-decades-old-de
ozbot: IRS Seizing Tax Refunds of Children, Grandchildren Over Parents' Decades-Old Debts | Fox News Inside
mircea_popescu: in other news.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the standoff in Utah between government forces and a local militia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00096593 = 0.9176 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: but I think asciilifeform posted that this weekend
mircea_popescu: yeah, didn't the blm leave ?
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/12/cliven_bundy_feds_halt_nevada_cattle_seizure.html
ozbot: Cliven Bundy: Feds halt Nevada cattle seizure.
BingoBoingo: Looks like it, or at least they are "pausing" it
mircea_popescu: it's what i'd do too. if the guy takes the cattle away, problem solved. if he doesn't, then by definition they'll still be there,
mircea_popescu: can resume at a later time, when teh people have had time to grind themselves down.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: not that it'll work, but that's the very substance of statal collapse : reasonable measures no longer actually work.
BingoBoingo: At least it is a very different thing so far than what would have happened in the 90's
mircea_popescu: very. cause everyone is comparing it to the waco thing.
mircea_popescu: well... there were no thousands of armed people marching on waco from six states
mircea_popescu: and the texas governor wasn't going omgwtfbbq at the feds.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, that WAS the end of the atf.
BingoBoingo: Well, prolly Ruby Ridge
danielpbarron has been to Waco
mircea_popescu: during ? or after ?
BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.
danielpbarron: after
danielpbarron: i visited a different false church that was coincidentally located in Waco
BingoBoingo: Waco's a pretty big town
mircea_popescu: well i never been to waco
mircea_popescu: so do people there call each other "you waco" ?
danielpbarron: no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else
danielpbarron: stupid
mircea_popescu: stupid smelly an slow
BingoBoingo: If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3642 @ 0.00096482 = 3.5139 BTC [-]
joecool: english is flexible, make it so
BingoBoingo: English may be rather flexible, but Texas is less so
mircea_popescu: lol zing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06699997 = 1.541 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up los_pantalones
assbot: Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549988 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Look at this crank http://rmxcrypt.com/
pankkake: argh, inconsistent usage of spaces around parenthesis
pankkake: the "flagman"? lol
fluffypony: "THE FIRST CRYPTOGRAPHIC SYSTEM WITH ABSOLUTE STABILITY"
fluffypony: because GPG is super unstable
pankkake: apparently "PGP" is an algorithm. it's next to "RSA"
fluffypony: I bet that was written by robwhizz22
pankkake: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnupg-users@gnupg.org/msg20573.html oh apparently you can use ECDSA with GPG!
ozbot: Re: Elliptic curves in gnupg status?(ECC support)
mircea_popescu: da fuck is "absolute stability" supposed to be ?
mircea_popescu: "After the scandal around the National Security Agency (NSA ) of the USA and after revelations of the ex-agent of CIA Edward Snowden it became known that NSA can crack cryptoprotection of Internet communications. "
mircea_popescu: ok nm.
BingoBoingo: Absolute stability prolly means the private key is always the same
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he links to this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
fluffypony: "Absolutely stability cryptographic system – it’s a system that CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES (it can’t be cracked even with the help of supercomputers, for example – with the use of the developed quantum computer, even if it is completely developed in the future, because the RMX protection system is released on a new class of mathematical functions unknown to moder
fluffypony: science)"
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Shannon level information security is hard
mircea_popescu: da fuck, if you're gonna refer to unrelated matters in your captatio, at least get the facts straight. snowden was a contractor not an agent.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony oh that ? the greeks had it. here's an example :
mircea_popescu: Ξ
mircea_popescu: you'll never be able to decypher what i meant by that. ever.
ThickAsThieves: ah mp, i just sent a ;;later tell, forgetting the user list is reordered by +
ThickAsThieves: does that mean you dont get it til signing off and on again?
pankkake: ;;notes
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for antephialtic, Arbitrage, arij, babbler, bawse, bugpowder, cads, daver300, deepspace, dertin033, dnathe4th, Empirical, Felyza, herbijudlestoids, Izzy_, jcpham, Jorge_Pasada, kryo, later, LucyDrop, Mad7Scientist, melt7777, mirceau_popescu, MmmmYah, Myke974, novusordo, OMGDogecoin, only, princessnell, reutersemily, satdav, Sibty, sic_nic, Taras, tholu, (1 more message)
pankkake: ;;more
gribble: toffo, TomServo, ughlol, velacreations, xtw317, yeye_, zeus93, and zinodaur.
ThickAsThieves: ;;email
gribble: Error: "email" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: !email
ThickAsThieves: $email
pankkake: $email
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
mpexbot: pankkake: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : http://trilema.com/2009/mi-a-venit-o-idee-extraordinara/
mircea_popescu: it's been an open challenge to my readers for 5 years now, to crack that shit.
Anduck: what is the service?
ThickAsThieves: a joke
danielpbarron: nice
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, next gribble sees me speak.
dexX7: ;;notes help
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
mircea_popescu: lol mirceau
mircea_popescu: ;;notes mirceau_popescu
gribble: Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <Mats_cd03> 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03u dood, there's no u in mircea
mircea_popescu: ;;notes MmmmYah
gribble: Sent 1 day, 17 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <RBecker> Scammer on your nick - you may want to register MmmmmYah
dexX7: where do those notes come from?
mircea_popescu: ;;notes princessnell
gribble: Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <benkay> it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts and Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <benkay> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499
mircea_popescu: ahaha! check out the GRIBBLE HEARTBLEED
pankkake: oh you can see them that way… I know I missed one with a typo and it must have expired
ThickAsThieves: lol
pankkake: ;;notes later
gribble: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <Guest75380> tell later tell and Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 10 minutes ago: <kyrio> later
ThickAsThieves: the gribble dribble!
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: imagine all the scandal we missed in the past
TestingUnoDosTre: Mirceauauu, could I'm a professional reporter from blog XYZ, could I speak with you privately? It's urgent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00096032 = 5.6659 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03549988 = 0.6035 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre orly.
jurov: fluffypony: is the squatter doing anytihng interesting?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12831 @ 0.00095586 = 12.2646 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
fluffypony: jurov: he was hurling insults at Ssateneth for kbanning him
fluffypony: but other than that, no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00095643 = 10.2338 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Skirmant
assbot: Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095649 = 1.4826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00096273 = 8.472 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.066574 = 0.1331 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06637023 = 1.9247 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: and now for mah favourite part of the day : the reading of the logs!
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's an educated guess, like anything else. the educated part is significant, but i've not published it. it's a complicated thing, this. i tend to readily publish the dirt on actors when they fuck up, like the sec misadventure. but it's kind-of unsportsmanlike to do the same when they're just acting rationally. anyway, complicated matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ << this, you'll probably appreciate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974999 = 0.199 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03411021 = 0.1023 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095586 / 0.0009635 / 0.00096987 (805817 shares, 776.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097238 / 0.00101 (3481630 shares, 3,385.49 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092512 / 0.00101 (23293181 shares, 21,549.14 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !up jadne
assbot: Voicing jadne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: anyone remembers how registering with gribble actually works ?
mircea_popescu: i've pretty much forgotten
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5789 @ 0.000963 = 5.5748 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;eregister
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;more
gribble: <http://trilema.com/2011/07>
mircea_popescu: jadne ^
jadne: thx
dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
ozbot: A sneak peak at the future of Bitcoin Cold Storage
mircea_popescu: haha srsly ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06512838 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: it's real
mircea_popescu: dexX7 tell crazy rabbit to come over will ya
mircea_popescu: ima sponsor his thing
dexX7: hahaha really?
mircea_popescu: too good to pass
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55998999 = 1.68 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00095586 = 2.4374 BTC [-]
dexX7: msg sent
mircea_popescu: pankkake you doing that imgboard yet ?
nubbins`: neat device
nubbins`: ^ so much work for two words ;(
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: dude it tokk you what, a minute ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03545567 = 0.5318 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: that's like... a quarter ?
bounce: http://bitcloudproject.org/
ozbot: Bitcloud
mircea_popescu: bounce youre trolling right ?
bounce: apparently they've been at it for months, not getting anywhere, and now are looking for funding?
nubbins`: 50 seconds ;(
nubbins`: my time is precious D;
mircea_popescu: "I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there. Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095586 = 5.0661 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait, no submarines ? i liked the submarines and dukedoms and reversed true/false numeric values idea better
Anduck: their faq doesnt work
mircea_popescu: this is just watered down what'shisname
nubbins`: lel, +0
mircea_popescu: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: (see what i did there?)
bounce: +0 and -0, 'cuz all you need is the sign, right?
jurov: you mean urbait?
mircea_popescu: urbit there we go
mircea_popescu: the only project in history to have actually fielded leaky submarines.
mircea_popescu: imagine the fun on board!
bounce: did urbit make it to the bbc, boing boing, something I can't decipher, wired, el grauniad, AND tech radar?
mircea_popescu: lol. i see what you did there!
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it had splendid media exposure. pretty much anyone who's someone in it had heard of it.
mircea_popescu: in that respect gotta hand it to the guy : one of the best launches i've seen.
mircea_popescu: that's rare. competent marketer that for some incomprehensible reason figures he's a thinking man.
bounce did a quick search on log., didn't turn up much.
bounce: so hire'im on condition he only thinks about marketeering, and leaves the other pretense at the door.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#473636 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: like that ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: bounce too drunk on his own farts to be hireable.
joecool: hm cloud to butt really improves this log
joecool: 03:27:08herbijudlestoids:bitbutt has nothing.
joecool: 03:27:19mircea_popescu:but bitbutt has bit and butt
joecool: goes along with the farts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03411129 = 0.5117 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06321585 = 0.4425 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: <dexX7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
kakobrekla: is this really a dildo?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for loose women.
kakobrekla: i dont understand that device at all
kakobrekla: it shines but where are the keys ?
mircea_popescu: upup
mircea_popescu: indabutt
dexX7: there is a nfc chip inside
bounce: apparently my google-fu is lacking. anyway, $source thinks they need to go down before they manage to rake in funding. that'd be the message.
mircea_popescu: bounce that didn't parse
jurov: someone actually acted on the hookers+microphone proposal?
jurov: as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?
jurov: I APPROVE
mircea_popescu: "here's this bit of plastic. make it orgasm, you may spend your bitcoin. otherwise... make someone else orgasm, spend their bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: radical whoredom.
dexX7: i think it's more like "store your key, come back later, restore key"
mircea_popescu: wait. to restore means to store again or to unstore ?!
bounce: "retrieve coins" would be the point, I suppose. which apparently involves destroying the thing.
dexX7: :D
dexX7: it means this thing does not sign anything
mircea_popescu: you know, lulz and jokes aside, a permanent insertion is fucking uncomfortable.
TestingUnoDosTre: So does it generate a tx when broken, or does I have some wallet file stored inside?
mircea_popescu: seems to me like it's a normal usb stick encased in a plastic frame
dexX7: replace usb with nfc and plastic with glass
mircea_popescu: mine's cheaper.
dexX7: probably not as shiny
TestingUnoDosTre: I can smash your usb and gain access to your bitcoins!? Now that's a true brute force
mircea_popescu: first you gotta ravish her couch
mircea_popescu: cooch*
TestingUnoDosTre: With the device? If so, usb probly is more secure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04813328 = 0.1925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0635 = 0.381 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess the next logical step is silicone implants
mircea_popescu: ultimate saving device : you will take thoise out once you're old.
mircea_popescu: at which point, your bitcoin savings become spendable.
TestingUnoDosTre: Now that's something I would invest in
mircea_popescu: srsly. this really should be part of obamacare. any woman over 30 may get her tits fixed, take the stuff out upon retirement.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55998998 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Over 30? That seems a little steep
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: dub actually romania had a seismologist who went on tv and predicted an earthquake. fucking panic ensued
mircea_popescu: then no earthquake.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wheat << neato.
mircea_popescu: i am going to explain EVERYTHING(tm) before i'm done, i tell you.
mircea_popescu: or at least make such a complete mess of everything nobody'll be able to entangle it and everyone'll just move on to another language.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, has already happened numerous times in history)
TestingUnoDosTre: And then acronyms came and fixed it all
mircea_popescu: Indubitably Necessarily Definitely Exactly Exactly Definitely.
mircea_popescu: artifexd:
mircea_popescu: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it. << it's the internet, dood. why else did you think it was revolutionary ?
TestingUnoDosTre: Because it haz cat pix
bounce: so, egalite for everyone?
mircea_popescu: bounce no, but we can still talk. either are excesses : omg can't talk to no-one except other rear admirals / omg everyone i talk to is exactly like me. middle fucking bitcoineus i say!
mircea_popescu: artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I? << you were here at the right time lol. what the fuck do you imagine a barony is ? exactly that, review the early english history :D
bounce: "we're not worthy!" qv. wayne's world.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i saw wayne's world
bounce: apropos, that nurture-not-nature for elitism argument isn't very well developed. nice examples, but I don't see'em supporting the premise.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the difference between a good and a not so good bug report ?
bounce: :-)
nubbins`: some years ago, a "seer" predicted a huge tsunami would hit here
nubbins`: everyone went down to the waterfront to watch it come in ;(
mircea_popescu: lol
mike_c: !up los_pantalones
assbot: Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
mike_c: los_pantalones: if you're working on that, something that I have always felt about exponential time decay is that it is really no better than just closing the bet early.
mike_c: so if you can disprove that, it would be interesting.
mike_c: !up peterl
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
bounce: afraid I'm gonna have to do a writeup. n'mind until then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095582 = 3.3454 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bounce publish on your blog, link to the offensive thing, omfg we're creating value out of nowhere!
peterl: There are probably different results if the resolution date is known (like X will win on such date) vs bets with unknown and possibly early resolving dates (like X will stay above Y until such date)
peterl: you might need two separate mathematical models to analyse the two different types of bets?
artifexd: http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g135235011877110170.jpg
mircea_popescu: peterl prolly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2740 @ 0.0001204 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {2}
los_pantalones: up!
los_pantalones: mike_c can you close a bet on bitbet?
los_pantalones: you have to take the other side
los_pantalones: and both your bets sit in escrow
los_pantalones: until resolution
los_pantalones: right?
mike_c: right
los_pantalones: so, there is opportunity cost
los_pantalones: traditionally, closing your bet would give you all your money back
los_pantalones: so i would venture to guess you are right
los_pantalones: but in this case there is a penalty to closing your bet
los_pantalones: in added margining
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03410866 = 0.2388 BTC [-] {2}
los_pantalones: i haven't bet anything on bitbet yet so if i sound like a total idiot, i'm sorry
los_pantalones: just started looking into it and was trying to get my head around some of the bigger bets
mike_c: not sure what you mean by traditionally. generally in betting you can only close your bet by taking the other side
mike_c: like getting a middle in sports betting
los_pantalones: i only know financial and phys commodities markets
los_pantalones: in which case you have no position on and all your cash
los_pantalones: to reinvest / spend elsewhere
mike_c: yes, this is different because you can't sell a position.
los_pantalones: right
los_pantalones: so there is a big opportunity cost of taking the other side
los_pantalones: wouldn't that also increase liquidity on the other side of the bet
los_pantalones: perhaps incenting more players
los_pantalones: thus decreasing your payout
los_pantalones: is it equiv? are you still flat?
los_pantalones: or can someone expose you by betting later?
los_pantalones: do you have to constantly reweight the size of your other side ?
mike_c: i would think that would be the case. i would welcome an analysis of that topic with numbers and examples :)
kakobrekla: <mike_c> yes, this is different because you can't sell a position. < its taking awfully long for someone to code that.
los_pantalones: ok
TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh reselling bitbet positions, I like this idea
mike_c: bitbet is fertile ground for add-on projects.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00095624 = 8.3193 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570248.0
ozbot: bitstamp - API woes
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay http://trilema.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/ ask and ye shall receive.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: >API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06692776 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Why run an API through Incapsula?"
mircea_popescu: i think the answer is self-oblivious.
mircea_popescu: !up arizona
assbot: Voicing arizona for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
mike_c: the mediawiki scammers have bots that solve captcha. apparently that is more important than bitstamp.
mircea_popescu: mike_c or more widely deployed
arizona: Hello?
kakobrekla: yes, this is dog.
arizona: Thank you
mircea_popescu: are you a hot blonde with a sister whose name is alabama and was played by patricia arquette in tarantino's movie ?
arizona: Oh, no. LOL.
thestringpuller: dog, this is cat, i have some bad news.
mircea_popescu: a well. wrong arizona then :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0669101 = 0.2676 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03343332 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: Namworld:Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost" << oh, he will. "what bitcoins?"
arizona: I don't say much here. I enjoy reading and learning. I like your columns, Mr. Popescu. You are a very good writer.
mircea_popescu: why ty.
mircea_popescu pets dog & gives it a cookie
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp? << naw.
mircea_popescu: also, atc is a currency.
mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, which is not. complicated shit.
thestringpuller: benkay: bitcoin isn't a currency anymore?
thestringpuller: oops
thestringpuller: @ mircea_popescu **
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5588452 = 1.1177 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not anymore than chocolate gold coins
thestringpuller: what makes atc a currency then?
BingoBoingo: Magic
thestringpuller: oh boy i love magic
mircea_popescu: Namworld:Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. << you gotta be kiddin' me.
mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "Is this still being mined.... I mined it when it had a coingen.io logo still and No source hahahaha"
mircea_popescu: lol. longest lived altcoin in history ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55884505 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you makin' a killing on this thing yet ? :D
Apocalyptic: I heard the price is up 50% from last week, he better :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not a killing, but steady incremental gains
mircea_popescu: even better.
BingoBoingo: I've just been locking the price into a range I find sustainable and magic happens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00095521 = 5.779 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: why is altcoin a currency and bitcoin not?
mike_c: my take: altcoin is made for spending, bitcoin is made for storing wealth.
mircea_popescu: benkay i'm just being steganographical. see because sometimes the things i say are in reality secret messages for uknown third parties according to secret schemes of encoding and so forth.
mircea_popescu: !up kill-9all
assbot: Voicing kill-9all for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 486 @ 0.14 = 68.04 BTC
danielpbarron: IRS says BTC isn't a currency so that's that
mircea_popescu: in other news,
mircea_popescu: http://www.havenews.com/news/local-news/havelock-police-bust-party-charge-mother-teens-with-alcohol-offenses-1.301928
ozbot: Havelock police bust party, charge mother, teens with alcohol offenses - Local News - The Havelock N
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095473 = 0.4774 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 461.64, vol: 30525.08907856 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 453.614, vol: 33919.59096 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 460.0, vol: 27660.53353995 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 89.34675802 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 458.622504, vol: 7258.83710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.50001, vol: 46.30923683 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.215, vol: 170.96622989 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
danielpbarron: "The juveniles told the officers that there was a party that was out of control and people were drinking and smoking weed" NARCS!
benkay: why is it crashing?
benkay: whatever happened to 'cops are coming - run!'
benkay: ?
thestringpuller: money i$ king
mircea_popescu: "VCs plow $46 million more into writing community Wattpad --> it's like Youtube for stories"
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
TestingUnoDosTre: Haha marijuana in the toilet bowl. Gotta torch the evidence, newbies
mircea_popescu: it's like canning for farts.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre they were prolly doing bath salts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.41934336 BTC to 8`322 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
TestingUnoDosTre: Fun fact: someone I know sent to a dispensary in Denver that sold bath salts, but the cashier had to warn" not the ones you're thinking of"
mircea_popescu: so citi conference call, all they want to talk about is how they're cutting costs.
mircea_popescu: fucking kiss of death, this, only commodified businesses have the time. finance is dead.
thestringpuller: ^- well that's good to hear no?
mircea_popescu: depends. not if you're invested in citi.
mircea_popescu: in other-other news, the us preparing for electricity rationing :
mircea_popescu: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5604992/us-power-grid-vulnerability
ozbot: It's way too easy to cause a massive blackout in the US - Vox
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a long hot summer boys and girls. no better way to get the masses to believe in global warming than keeping them without ac for a summer.
mircea_popescu: likely to hit the south the worst, too, which is ideal on at least two counts.
TestingUnoDosTre: Why so?
benkay: a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation?
benkay: dude.
benkay: no.
benkay: okay i get journos are tarded.
benkay: get it
fluffypony: the Electricity Ninja cometh...
benkay: oh god vox.com
danielpbarron: i prefer to go without AC; I like being out in the sun while the summer lasts
danielpbarron: but i'm in "the north," so that's easier for me to say
benkay: http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/
ozbot: OPERATION MUTUAL AID
mircea_popescu: s/1/s/
bounce: what was it again, guaranteed (low) prices for consumers and "free market" stupidity for suppliers, in california, that led to under-investing in infrastructure and utilities basically bleeding themselves dry, leading to years to come full of brownouts and blackouts
mircea_popescu: something like that.
Apocalyptic: <benkay> a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation? << sounds legit
mircea_popescu: plus absurdistan ecological regulations, like being criminally responsible for birds flying into your intake vents
benkay: coulda sworn it was assault rifles Apocalyptic
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this was an actual event btw.
bounce: you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.
benkay: and at close range
mircea_popescu: it was assault rifles, and at close range.
benkay: (how the fuck do you snipe *anything* inside a substation - lines of sight have to be like 20ft max)
mircea_popescu: they're conveniently forgetting to mention the ominous part where the attackers disabled the security with minimal, expert moves.
bounce: assault rifles are still a bit of a poor choice. wrenches do better.
bounce: or squirrels, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: bounce how so ? do the energy calc.
mircea_popescu: or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"
benkay: http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/apps/forums/show/7020492-general-discussion
ozbot: General Discussion
benkay: i want a bitmilitia.
bounce: or that. anything to cause a nice electrical fire. bullets have a harder time there, despite their awesome speed. substations are like that.
mircea_popescu: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/247525/sun-times-kills-comments-until-it-can-fix-morass-of-negativity-racism-and-hate-speech/
ozbot: Sun-Times kills comments until it can fix ‘morass of negativity, racism, and hate speech’ | Poyn
mircea_popescu: herpy derp. how about fixing butthurt.
Apocalyptic: too much butts to fix
mircea_popescu: bounce not really. all the bullet needs to do is perforate the coolant room. anywhere.
mircea_popescu: the thing goes offline w/o coolant.
mircea_popescu: and because of ecological concerns, old style coolant mixtures that were azerotropic were replaced with new, more expensive formulations. a punctured coolant room means you have to empty, was and refill.
mircea_popescu: you cant just top up and seal.
bounce: hm. burned to the ground or shut down by regulations. alright, the red tape wins.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i wonder if they'll do a wot-based +m :D
mircea_popescu: bounce it's not trivial to actually burn down a modern transformer.
Apocalyptic: mircea, prolly not :)
TestingUnoDosTre: There IS more than meets the eye
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy, "this newspaper closed until we can find some not-retartded people to read it"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5591588 BTC [+]
bounce: I'm reminded of the register, where they used to moderate each and every comment, and then gradually lifted the requirement. they have a reasonably vibrant commenter community, without requiring facebook or real names or what-have-you.
mircea_popescu: i still think discussion is impossible absent identity.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be "real", because wtf is that real mean, but it does have to be identity.
benkay: disqus: your friendly omnicient identity broker.
mircea_popescu: hardly.
mircea_popescu: "The magazine couldn’t afford moderators, as many news organizations can’t." herp.
mircea_popescu: but if you can't afford what you need, isn't that an indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ?
TestingUnoDosTre: Or editors for that matter
mircea_popescu: why do people's brains not work ?
bounce: there's places that allow 'true' unnamed discussion and have it work fine, too
mircea_popescu: 4chan ?
mircea_popescu: only one i can think of. and the definition of "fine" must be pretty... broad.
mircea_popescu: (read that again. fine = pretty broad. jesus i fucking love myself har har har)
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/14/new_sipri_data_russia_china_and_saudi_arabia_dramatically_increase_arms.html
ozbot: New SIPRI data: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia dramatically increase arms spending.
mircea_popescu: ouch. wasn't china already spending a lot ?
danielpbarron: heh
bounce: not just 4chan. slashdot is another
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Now it is a lot-er
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and the thing is, god help you if you sell the chinese golden toilets. afaik nobody got shot when it was discovered haliburton "misplaced" 1 bn in the various senatorial etc campaign slushfunds in iraq
mircea_popescu: yet the chinese routinely shoot people for 1mn
TestingUnoDosTre: Maybe even 1 mn yen
bounce: interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0667868 = 0.2671 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53462729 = 14.4349 BTC [-] {13}
TestingUnoDosTre: My bank claims to use no openNESS. Any easy way to verify this claim?
mike_c: test its servers for heartbleed?
mircea_popescu: bounce the little known fact is that china was always the world's empire.
mircea_popescu: what the us pretends for itself, china has been, for the past ~5000 years
mircea_popescu: with temporary century-long interruptions due to invasions and whatnot. it always reverted.
benkay: everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.
mircea_popescu: sure there is. the steady state of humans is being dead.
benkay: pff
benkay: decomposition
mircea_popescu: the steady state of planet earth is china being teh world empire
benkay: for a century at a time with interruptions
benkay: doesn't sound so steady to me
mircea_popescu: benkay no but on the naively nominalist view that "you" existed sincer forever and will exist forever. soul or w/e.
benkay: just a mass of undifferentiated atoms banging off each other
mircea_popescu: in that physicalist view you'll have trouble showing people even exist at all.
benkay: don't bring that mystical claptrap around here
benkay: yeah well what is a people?
benkay: does free agency exist?
mircea_popescu: or in the words of tornatore (uomo delle stelle), "e il mondo vero, or solo per finta ?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03257696 = 1.075 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is a great film.
bounce: china was always quite a lot self-centered. this appears to be a bit less the case of late.
mircea_popescu: maybe. hard to tell really.
TestingUnoDosTre: Translate the tornatore
jurov: bounce they need to secure oil and other supplies from others
mircea_popescu: is the world for real, or just pretense ?
bounce: it's all make believe whichever way you look at it
bounce: doesn't stop shit from getting real, though
TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha
mircea_popescu: bounce guy saying is a shepherd.
benkay: well the things are real. the constructs i wrap around them are just figments of my own mind.
mircea_popescu: who doesn't think farmers understand, because for shephers... c'e diverso. e con le stelle, uno puo parlare.
bounce: I think I'm missing context here.
bounce: anyway, china going communist has, well, at least given a different flavour to the thing. wonder if and when they're going to do something about that
mircea_popescu: i don't think they were ever anything else.
mircea_popescu: buncha equal peons, and the emperor drunk out of his mind. between these, a bureaucracy, completely arbitrarily "educated" by rote.
mircea_popescu: this has been china for pretty much the entire interval
mircea_popescu: even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.
mircea_popescu: the mir is definitely stolen from them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03363737 = 0.2691 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: you're saying that communism has turned out irrelevant to the chinese
mircea_popescu: sorta like rice flavouring.
mircea_popescu: they were eating rice anyway.
mircea_popescu: rice flavoured rice is like...
bounce: they did used to have technology, like that earthquake detector, that they subsequently forgot how to make work. bit sloppy for a state to forget its own achievements, and not even the excuse of getting toppled and replaced
mircea_popescu: what's this ? the sheep bladder system ?
bounce: wooden octagonal thingy with stone balls, IIRC
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/norwegian-fisherman-discovers-dildo-inside-cod-stomach-1562947859
ozbot: Norwegian Fisherman Discovers Dildo Inside Cod Stomach
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0032689/quotes
ozbot: Sir Bedevere (Character) - Quotes
mircea_popescu: lol. think of the implications had they discovered it in the cod's tail rather than stomach.
TestingUnoDosTre: He found a cold storage wallet!?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 250 @ 0.14 = 35 BTC
mircea_popescu: a cod storage wallet.
BingoBoingo: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/rotterdams-meisje-opgepakt-na-twitteren-over-aanslag
ozbot: Rotterdams meisje opgepakt na twitteren over aanslag | RTL Nieuws
BingoBoingo: 14 year old was arrested for tweets
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03209898 = 0.6099 BTC [-]
dexX7: tweet to american airlines: "Hi my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan I am part of al-Qaeda, and on June 1, I'm going to do something really big day. . "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690869 = 0.2007 BTC [+]
pankkake: all tweets should be illegal anyway. also http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/0122203/44-of-twitter-users-have-never-tweeted
bounce: the great unwashed and shutting up. there's an idea. though we'd be left with spambots. indiscernible, perhaps, but not an improvement.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: lolz, i get up for half a day and come back to 'btc arsesafe is actual product'
ThickAsThieves: "winners" list from OneSpark, if anyone is interested http://www.beonespark.com/results
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00095505 = 12.0814 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;google rectal houdini
gribble: Seriously Savage Rectal Houdini Kit | Tools | Gear - LikeCOOL: <http://www.likecool.com/Seriously_Savage_Rectal_Houdini_Kit--Tools--Gear.html>; Nerdcore › CIAs vintage rectal Escape Kit from the 60s: <http://www.crackajack.de/2011/03/25/cias-vintage-rectal-escape-kit-from-the-60s/>; Tools of Tradecraft: More Spy Gear From the CIA, Others | Threat ...: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095774 = 4.0618 BTC [+]
pankkake: I think I saw a butt plug where you could store things
pankkake: or maybe you can commission the rosebud guy
rithm: 100% assanine
pankkake: mircea_popescu: about the image board thing, I don't know if there is an actual demand. I'll see how expensive (in terms of maintenance) it is in the coming days
pankkake: apparently danny let a cat die
asciilifeform: lolmatic:
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/04/goldman-sachs-code-thief-02.htm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 930 @ 0.00095473 = 0.8879 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: re: 'code thief' - when people say, 'X can also have problems,' that doesn't necessarily mean 'car bomb.' it can also look like this.
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096593 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096593
gribble: 0.0115950431191
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['3594 @ 0.00095473', '6900 @ 0.000954', '4750 @ 0.00095391', '3600 @ 0.00095351', '12050 @ 0.00095346']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['10717 @ 0.00095774', '12500 @ 0.00095895', '11133 @ 0.00096093', '10800 @ 0.00096172', '11742 @ 0.00096218']
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00095422 = 10.9735 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00095774 = 8.5239 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/oberlin-debates-wisdom-of-trigger-warnings-on-every-las-1562955196
ozbot: Oberlin Debates Wisdom of Trigger Warnings on Every Last Thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0650101 = 0.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06575599 = 0.4603 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://gawker.com/the-astounding-conspiracy-theories-of-wall-street-geniu-1561427624
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10106 @ 0.00095873 = 9.6889 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/1144256/mathematicians-use-mossberg-500-pump-action-shotgun-to-calculate-pi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the simplest test of rng bias involves exactly this kind of calculation
asciilifeform: 'monte carlo pi'
asciilifeform: and doesn't everyone remember calculating pi this way, by throwing stones in a chalk circle in square, in grade school ?
BingoBoingo: Indeed. It is simply amazing though that it can be done with off the shelf equipment from Walmart's sporting goods section
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mike_c: no. where did you go to grade school?
asciilifeform: usa, dc area
asciilifeform: for 3rd grade and up
asciilifeform: even here they have chalk.
asciilifeform: and a yard
mike_c: i don't think i knew what pi was in 3rd grade. maybe my memory is faulty.
asciilifeform: it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall
asciilifeform: but chalk was permitted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06671067 = 0.467 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.
asciilifeform: ;;google asimov feeling of power
gribble: THE FEELING OF POWER by Isaac Asimov Worlds of Science ...: <http://www.math.umn.edu/~rusin018/1271_Fall_2006/extra_1.pdf>; The Feeling of Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power>; MathFiction: The Feeling of Power (Isaac Asimov) - Alex Kasman: <http://kasmana.people.cofc.edu/MATHFICT/mfview.php?callnumber=mf4> ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00095895 = 4.0381 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think this is probably your strongest case for why x86 has to die
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
BingoBoingo: Well, how much of computing has already been forgotten from things alledging to be curriculums.
BingoBoingo: on the subject
BingoBoingo: Java programmers who merely stitch together libraries and want embeded chips capable of running Java when a Z80 would be fine
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/binarybits/status/455763759907487744
FabianB: .d
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
FabianB: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 295844 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 507 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6871339544.06 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.28182
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06666883 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: That's not the real Timothy B Lee, right?
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahh it's just some knockoff arstechnica writer
TestingUnoDosTre: Was worried the world wide web was invented by a guy that just recently wants to format an opinion on password managers. Phew
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03206287 = 0.2565 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03058333 = 0.1835 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05065099 = 0.5065 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096029 = 11.6195 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Yeah
TestingUnoDosTre: Funny comment from the pi calculation slashdot article" Goddamn mathematician wasting precious ammunition to have a statistics wank-fest after MY goddamn zombie apocalypse?
TestingUnoDosTre: I'd put a random distribution of holes in his worthless head!
TestingUnoDosTre: "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00096102 = 3.3636 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00096159 = 3.5098 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.55499018 = 27.7495 BTC [+] {8}
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096214 / 0.00096987 (655620 shares, 630.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096992 / 0.00101 (3350455 shares, 3,249.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092579 / 0.00101 (23296536 shares, 21,567.88 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1420 @ 0.000075 = 0.1065 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.030606 = 0.153 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00534891 = 0.4868 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03003585 = 0.4205 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05146666 = 0.1544 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2602816
artifexd: BingoBoingo: Did you write that? ;)
artifexd: What happened to ozbot?
mike_c: !up ozbot
assbot: I don't do bots, mike_c.
artifexd: It isn't even in the channel
mike_c: it got pissed about the new elitism.
artifexd: Maybe it should be renamed to Marvin
artifexd: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: any recommendations for a reasonable VPS provider that won't throw a tantrum if I run a bitcoin node? DigitalOcean want me to provide DNA samples and ownership of my unborn child to allow me to create a new VPS (despite having two hosted with them for the past 18 months)
BingoBoingo: artifexd: I did not.
pankkake: fluffypony: EDIS
artifexd: I knew that. It just seemed like something you would write. Anti-CA and all.
fluffypony: pankkake: had an average-ish experience with them a while back, will give them another spin
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well, I probably would have opened it a bit differently.
BingoBoingo: I wonder when someone will release a "Vaxberry Pi" credit card sized vax board
BingoBoingo: (or other older architectures would be welcome)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00095942 = 4.5572 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ooooh, a credit card sized C64 would be magic
jurov: fluffypony, gandi?
fluffypony: jurov: didn't even know they have a VPS offering
fluffypony: sweet
benkay: if you're not planning to mine, fluffypony you might try ipxcore
fluffypony: benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server
benkay: what could go wrong? :D
fluffypony: exactly!
dub: linode is best
Apocalyptic: jurov, are you satisfied with gandi services in general ?
jurov: yes. except for one small case where they insist routing of traffic between paris and aws ireland via the US
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00095794 = 2.5385 BTC [-]
jurov: but i could fix that by using ipv6
jurov: and at least they admitted the problem
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More electrum servers is a good thing.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yup, and I'm not hosting it on any of my dedi boxes if I can avoid it
Apocalyptic: <jurov> and at least they admitted the problem // that's not something you see everyday in this industry indeed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03149998 = 0.126 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More nodes in general is good. Since I've started playing with electrum, I've become a bit interested in seeing how without a sufficient number of servers its model might approach par with SPV in some ways.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, and with a sufficient number of nodes it's also good from a privacy perspective
fluffypony: I really like Electrum, much more than MultiBit
BingoBoingo: I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.
fluffypony: you can import privkeys for random generated wallets in electrum?
dignork: fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: so you make sure you have the privkeys backed up/written down for your random addresses
fluffypony: and the rest are all deterministic, including your change addresses
BingoBoingo: There are a number of reasons to want wallets with different kinds of behavior. For some purposes different change addresses is a bug.
dignork: BingoBoingo, when would you want to disable change addresses?
BingoBoingo: MP had a good writeup on the subject of Address reuse being good for certain kinds of privacy, but finding it might take some digging.
dignork: "no such thing as taint" ?
BingoBoingo: An eatlier one, I believe on MPEx design
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06645591 = 0.1329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0009563 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {3}
[\]: m00
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52960704 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 934 @ 0.14 = 130.76 BTC
nubbins`: no onjoin msg from assbot anymore?
benkay: i've seen a few...
nubbins`: ah, i didn't get one these past two joins
benkay: hm
benkay: assbot's busy i guess
nubbins`: !busy
thestringpuller: ! nubbins`
thestringpuller: lol
artifexd: Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"?
nubbins`: i do now :(
nubbins`: makes sense tho
nubbins`: declare that you're not up, assbot fixes it
nubbins`: man, i'm really good at making shepherd's pie
artifexd: ha
artifexd: Speaking of bots, who runs ozbot?
kakobrekla: i got the notice.
artifexd: oh neat
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/
nubbins`: guess i'm just lucky
Apocalyptic: so kakobrekla how is thing atc.blockr.io thing going ? they are integrating x-bt or not ?
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html re canada and bitcoins
kakobrekla: its not a life and death situation is it? ill see re that next time we meet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 160 @ 0.14 = 22.4 BTC {2}
benkay: mircea_popescu: would you tell @patrickmcguire that i broke the canadian bitcoins story a month ago?
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/beware-of-fbessatt-man-in-the-middle-scam-attempt.298926/
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ << nice to see people awakening
Apocalyptic: kako, no issue, it's clearly not
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It's just taking... something...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 171 @ 0.14 = 23.94 BTC
thestringpuller: people are actually buying ALC?
thestringpuller: i feel like I should jump the bandwagon for when it bubbles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00528509 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06699969 = 0.268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1397 @ 0.00010616 = 0.1483 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00096135 = 8.7483 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/131
jurov: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/140?topic=Heartbleed+Bug also :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01500000 / 0.01589208 / 0.01789970 (26 shares, 0.41319401 BTC), 7D: 0.00963822 / 0.01410326 / 0.02000000 (249 shares, 3.51171268 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01596362 / 0.08800000 (2140 shares, 34.16213748 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.519 = 2.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5195025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52955355 = 1.0591 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00095753 = 7.373 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095711 = 6.0298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 60 @ 0.01019 = 0.6114 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.00509186 = 1.0642 BTC [-] {10}
BingoBoingo: artifexd: I actually probably would have been more likely to have written this http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-new-strategy-drop-the-ball-on-purpose/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 628 @ 0.00444919 = 2.7941 BTC [-] {35}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5350001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00399999 = 0.396 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.71, Best ask: 464.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.22000, Last trade: 464.93, 24 hour volume: 33644.77357654, 24 hour low: 408.0, 24 hour high: 475.0, 24 hour vwap: 448.992084165
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.004 = 0.124 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096095 / 0.00096987 (584289 shares, 561.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096916 / 0.00101 (3327949 shares, 3,225.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092608 / 0.00101 (23296673 shares, 21,574.72 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2573 @ 0.00010561 = 0.2717 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.004 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.000105 = 0.42 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.004 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00010192 = 0.3058 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.004 = 0.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096176 = 6.3957 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (214 shares, 1.60500000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1496 shares, 11.22000000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00706909 / 0.00750000 (26926 shares, 190.34218497 BTC)
mike_c: my bank wants me to update my mobile app with a new version that can pair with bluetooth devices. that makes sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.535 = 1.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009614 = 8.7487 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: What is this odd combination of bank, app, and mobile?
nubbins`: dude you don't do your banking on your phone?!
mike_c: it's just fiat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 652 @ 0.00058973 = 0.3845 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5294999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00456947 = 0.265 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.00059001 = 0.1357 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: My phone makes and recieves calls.
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: my phone is built into a computer ;(
mike_c: so hah! you do banking on your phone too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1021 @ 0.00063334 = 0.6466 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00466513 = 0.1726 BTC [+]
nubbins`: who said i didn't? :D
nubbins`: i do banking on my phone more often than i do it on my laptop.
mike_c: the only thing i use the phone for is depositing checks. that is handy.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: CIBC mobile app recently added that feature
nubbins`: altho tbh i generally just walk to the bank