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asciilifeform: ave1: re sussman, see also
a111: 67 results for "sussman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sussman
asciilifeform: !#s sussman
mircea_popescu: they then decided sussman isn't welcome either ; eventually they had to make a new "lab", to alleviate both the problem of their pretense to sovereignity, and of the people not caring what they say
mircea_popescu: for random reasons mit decides minsky is no longer allowed in the building ; sussman gave him his key card.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 23:07 mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, the thing that got all the inept "science" press hot and bothered in the 80s, and nosnense such as hal 9000 / space odissey etc (ie, the first iteration of "lesswrong" wankery) was a demonstration by sussman & goode that "you can have artificial brains growing in the same way as real ones", ie, neural networks that algorithmically expand
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have used minsky instead, sussman is a) still extant and b) kinda moved away from ai in the idyllic sense towards more practical applications IE SOLD OUT!
asciilifeform: tho to be fair , sussman also never ran apache.
mircea_popescu: sussman never had a mb/s io machine.
mircea_popescu: had sussman known how to make an ai in the first place.
mircea_popescu: by now this is an epic machine, are you kidding me, all sussman would have needed to make an ai
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 22:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 08:53 spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s!
spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s! ☟︎
asciilifeform: the folx whose lectures ~anybody still watches, e.g., sussman, are known largely for the written form
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sicp film was ~watchable, but it is ancient, 1980s, and not even filmed at mit iirc (sussman taught the class for hp employees)
ben_vulpes: sussman was a fraud
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip. ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: csail (mit ai lab then) published "ai memos" from 1959 to sometime in early 2000s where they described a lot of "firsts" in computing in general. scheme spec was published by sussman and steele, lisp 1.5 compiler (first "self-hosting"), lisp machine architecture, etc. most papers are not so much ai as computing in general.
asciilifeform: adlai: 'little schemer' by sussman. but again i cannot recommend doing this to just 'friend'
asciilifeform: phf: aha i have a 31111111111117 s1t3 with a scanned copy of sussman's 'scheme83' !1111 dunforget.
phf: i believe that was described in the "Sussman attains enlightenment"
a111: 34 results for "sussman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sussman
asciilifeform: $s sussman
phf: oh it's that chick that got sussman to sell his chips
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
assbot: 36 results for 'sussman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sussman
asciilifeform: !s sussman
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:58:56; phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:55:12; phf: sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:25:55; phf: random lulz, sussman signed scheme-81 chip, sold as art. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/gerald-sussman-scheme i think it was listted at $1500, but i can't quite recall. i assume buyer would not try putting it on a breadboard..
phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist" ☟︎
phf: sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program ☟︎
phf: "This lot includes two Scheme-81 computer chips, signed by Gerald Sussman. This lot also includes a commemorative 3D-printed Babylonian styled tablet containing the password to a private Github repository where the buyer may access an image of the Scheme-81 chips."
assbot: Gerald Sussman | Scheme (1978-1981) | Artsy ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG2n5U )
phf: random lulz, sussman signed scheme-81 chip, sold as art. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/gerald-sussman-scheme i think it was listted at $1500, but i can't quite recall. i assume buyer would not try putting it on a breadboard.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them
ascii_butugychag: ;;google sussman cowardly surrender
ascii_butugychag: (sussman and abelson were the creators of scheme, authors of sicp, and taught the course)
assbot: 23 results for 'sussman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sussman
ascii_butugychag: !s sussman
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-12-2015#1341978 << that was sussman ☝︎
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, as it's the one bit of ai we actually turn out to need (as opposed to starstrucklingly WANT, a la sussman & co)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would probably enjoy abelson & sussman's classic 'sicp', which contained, in very succinct notation, exercises such as this.
phf: there's greenblatt, tom knight, david moon, daniel weinreb, guy steele, peter norvig, abelson&sussman, jack holloway. stallman and minsky. not to mention cracauer, eller, fahlman, maclachlan, rme, ron garret of the later people that i know of, tons of people i'm forgetting.
asciilifeform: mit (the home of sussman and the original arena for this) officially became irredeemably doomed in my eyes when they stopped.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 23:07:45; mircea_popescu: At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920453 << that sussman ☝︎
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently MIT put a sussman lisp class from 1986 on their on-line course system http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/1a-overview-and-introduction-to-lisp/
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
mircea_popescu: Chillum im not so sure the aws "machine learning" works much better than sussman's tic tac toe machine
assbot: 5 results for 'sussman' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sussman
BingoBoingo: !s sussman
asciilifeform: this must be at least the 7th time sussman and his neural net pop up here.
mircea_popescu: At that moment, Sussman was enlightened. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher.
mircea_popescu: "I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said.
mircea_popescu: "I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied.
mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski lol you ever read how sussman was englightened ?
decimation: yeah I remember that sussman quote, it is depressing
asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay: ☟︎☟︎
decimation: right I remember your post about sussman trying to dodge the "why did you give up" question
asciilifeform: not mine, sussman's
asciilifeform: sussman