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shinohai: Well he obviously got cucked! xD
mod6: Saw your later tell, thanks.
mod6: asciilifeform: that 1 bit chip was interesting
mod6: how's everyone doing tonight?
mod6: me too, busy as f. but im out of the woods on this work thing i think.
mod6: i was lookin at tinyscheme stuff. trying to wrap my mind around stuff.
mod6: like there's this thing called 'guile' that'll let you issue system commands and such...
mod6: i think im like, getting lost in all the different dialects of lisp.
mod6: i was trying to do (system "ls") or whatever with tinyscheme, but i must be doin something wrong
mod6: i guess it just says "unbound variable: system" but it seems to be in the docs under extentions. *shrug*
mod6: more reading i guess.
mod6: once i do some more reading im going to attempt to read a file.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 23:54:45; pete_dushenski: if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.
mod6: asciilifeform: sicp
mod6: and the tinyscheme docs
mod6: seems like we'll have to write a lot of our own procedure libs. which is maybe a good thing i guess.
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BingoBoingo: My the things that get engineered these days.
assbot: A Few Thoughts On Longform, Inspired By The Current Debate Over Its Significance And Necessity In Our Fast-Changing Media Landscape - The Awl ... (
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mircea_popescu: the collected "profession" of "journalist" can't if working together think a thousand words ahead.
mircea_popescu: their opinion on stuff like trilema is about as welcome as the housewife's thoughts on stage makeup.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's their reaction to some derpy sports story about career of guy who sportsballed and then became a rape-cop who is now in prison. Derps published the story now other derps are trying to indict the entire concept of long form over the story.
mod6: whats the deal in there?
mod6: oh like "(let ([if #f])"
mod6: thanks for mentioning
BingoBoingo: My reading of the history is r6rs was a coup attempt to turn scheme into a sort of python or perl with too much built in shit
phf: it's basically a self contained, and very readable spec of the language
phf: sicp is more of a "all you need to know about computation as a thing" book, rather then specifically a way to learn scheme. i know very few people who actually got through it on their own
mod6: yeah, i've figured that from what i've seen thus far in sicp. which is alright.
mod6: some good examples of stuff in there.
mod6: i'll check out the ps tho
phf: "This lot includes two Scheme-81 computer chips, signed by Gerald Sussman. This lot also includes a commemorative 3D-printed Babylonian styled tablet containing the password to a private Github repository where the buyer may access an image of the Scheme-81 chips."
phf: probably going to dust in some weirdo's private collection, aka indian jones archives
phf: ben_vulpes: posted to observe minor twitch that this is going to produce in some people here :)
pete_dushenski: i don't for a second think it's just correlation. wealth can't guarantee anything any more than obama - but can wealth, unlike obama, provide opportunities ? i'm inclined to say so. ergo wealthy man can at least materially afford personal car-computer, whether or not he can intellectually afford it is borne by whether or not he actually does.
phf: ben_vulpes: what about 3d printed Babylonian tablets!
ben_vulpes: what confluence of events put scheme-81 chips in the hands of people who 3d print passwords to github repos in sumerian tablet reproduction style
☟︎ ben_vulpes: atlantean troll proof doors for my safe space
assbot: The Snowtide Blog » Blog Archive » Why MIT now uses python instead of scheme for its undergraduate CS program ... (
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phf: "The fundamental difference is that programming today is all about doing science on the parts you have to work with. That means looking at reams and reams of man pages and determining that POSIX does this thing, but Windows does this other thing, and patching together the disparate parts to make a usable whole.
phf: (not a quote, but i was there, and that's the gist of it. many face palms in the audience)
ben_vulpes: i b'leev asciilifeform even pegged it as a cowardly apology to der fuhrer
phf: "when did they get to him!"
☟︎ phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
☟︎ assbot: Putin: We agreed with Obama on a statement in the framework of Syria Support Group to stop military operations in Syria – Syrian Arab News Agency ... (
http://bit.ly/1oyD4Iw )
mats: >the agreement doesn’t include terrorists of the Islamic State (ISIS) or Jabhat al-Nusra.
pete_dushenski: so what's it include ? each other's non-existent foot soldiers ?
mats: gotta crush the upstarts making fools of obama
☟︎ mats: whaddya mean usg funded AQI affiliates to fight bashar, etc
pete_dushenski: this is not unlike google and apple calling a truce but google continuing to feed patents to samsung with which to continue suing apple
pete_dushenski: !v !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
pete_dushenski: !v !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 10 for assbot with note: primus inter pares
pete_dushenski: in other news, apparently $20k baby wraps are a thing.
assbot: Despite massive changes in hashrate antpool and f2pool never vary more than 2-3% distribution from each other is this just a polite fiction were are supposed to accept? : Bitcoin ... (
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mircea_popescu: look here : "DeathFromAbove writes to DPR, "It's not that easy [AA]. I'm legit. Green Beret. Friend of [C.G.]. I have access to TS/SCI files that FBI, DEA, AFP, SOCA would kill for. In fact, that is what I do ... kill. The only thing that I do . . . Don't worry DoD has no interest in you and your little website. North Korea and Iran are a lot more important. In fact, as far as the Army and Navy are concerned you are a
mircea_popescu: nobody. Petty drug dealer. But, [C.G.] was somebody. "
mircea_popescu: context for the innocent : the carl force iv derp writes from one of the numerous troll accounts on sr to ulbricht derp. it's not clear whether he's doing this thinly veiled attempt at psychology on behalf of his employer or as an independent contractor working a little moonlight, but
mircea_popescu: "c.g." is a random derp of no consequence that got nicked and passed his account over to the baltimore establishment of unintentional humour maintained on public funds.
mircea_popescu: and, to best establish the fame as well as the intellectual wherewithal of the famous "grab me and my bag" force - here's the cannonical example : \
mircea_popescu: 02/10/2013 - FORCE attempts to create an account with Bitstamp using identification documents in the name of his DEA-issued undercover identity (Nob). Bitstamp's verification process rejected these documents as not genuine. FORCE there after provided Bitstamp with his own personal identification documents.
mircea_popescu: so now - i ask again. what THE FUCK is it with "green berets" and these assonauts.
punkman: maybe it's a "polite fiction"
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's the 2010s equivalent of that epic 2000s kid with the "oh i gotta go to iraq brb" chatlog.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 02:48:21; asciilifeform: just remember boyzngurls, syntactic sugar leads to cancer of the semicolon!
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413406 << basically us "college" chumpatron still experimenting with "what's the lowest qty of candy bar we give the cattle to keep getting the sweet sweet usg funds for them. like, out of the 100k per capita we get in fed funny money, what's the least we could dole out to the maggots in whose name the whole scheme is run ? maybe -100`000 in paper and $500 in chips ? for
☝︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: a sweet sweet 199`500 total loot we can then use to build stadiums "worth" 50 trillion and that could be exchanged for "all of russia" if only we could find someone who isn't part of our circlejerk (thus has something of value whatsoever) and still credits our inane bullshit (like maybe some argentines running away with the money they stole while in government there or something)"
mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
mircea_popescu: note the very epic "200k worth of fed paper is worth $500 in candybar, on a systematic scale".
mircea_popescu: rather optimistic, a deleverage factor of 1000:1 seems lowball. but then you have to account for the general ghetto dweller's disinclination to put up with "school" as an adult.
mircea_popescu: punkman you know, the "you are destroy me" greek angerspeech is actually quite amusingly on point :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16590 @ 0.00057414 = 9.525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "You are destroy me! You kill me and is personal and ALL YOU FAULT you are monster and give reparations for monster acts of past and you are RUIN ME FOREVER AND IS ALL YOU!" ftr. sez angry greekflag ball to derpy german flag ball. epic.
mircea_popescu: lol why the fuck is something vaguely looking like one of those world soccer cup vanity flags they use for some reason on top of the bitcoin ?
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:47:08; ben_vulpes: what confluence of events put scheme-81 chips in the hands of people who 3d print passwords to github repos in sumerian tablet reproduction style
mircea_popescu: truly the one... confluence, let's say, of events, let's call them.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413445 <<< well, "defended the decision". said to an audience of derps "you are too stupid to have cool things, orcs. stick with the clubs you know." and they nodded because a) who the fuck knows what weirdo foreigner is saying and b) what difference does it make to orc anyway ? no indoor voice to begin with, what ability to modulate behaviour by sounds ? that comes after.
☝︎ mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413452 << when they stopped making sluts that go on breadboards, they "got to him". what's to get. suppose you marry a woman on the criteria of she's fucking hot, and she keeps making you children and they all have the iq of an argentine. how long do you keep up the charade of "this here is a house of intellectual ppls" ?
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:57:29; phf: "when did they get to him!"
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:58:56; phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
mircea_popescu: agreement to posture in the un resulting in a quick dispatch of the "rebels" on the ground, expect to see them hanging / supported by visceral poles by next thurs.
mircea_popescu: yet another nominal us "ally" to meet a gruesome fate in the field when the posturing six year old for some reason dressed as a very tall nigger gets called to supper.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 06:16:21; mats: gotta crush the upstarts making fools of obama
mircea_popescu: i suppose in memory of the event Bahamas' full name should be expanded to Mssr Bahamas Pedale or something.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (for the innocent log readers : what happened in syria was that obama went in pretending he is the head of a powerful nation ; putin went in as the actual head of a powerful nation. when the difference between these turned out to be an actual thing in the field, obama whipped out the checkbook, started offering bribes to the locals to hold up signs and shit reading "obama is a real stud". those guys took the money and
mircea_popescu: bought guns, eventually becoming such a problem obama had to pay a visit to putin's residence dressed in nothing but his chastity device and do a spot of work or two, in exchange for putin agreeing to take care of the problem. something like
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413380 with the colors reversed, if you need visual aids, or else something like ross ulbricht "ordering clean hits" if your memory
☝︎ mircea_popescu: which is ~50k different phonemes, the vast majority of which are bona fide words but filtering any further exceeds my patience (and if you're curious why it stops there - once the fetlife lists hit, there's a pile of crapolade in the form of usernames that are difficult to distinguish etc). i'm happy with the estimation that "50k or maybe a little more". which would mean that... whoa!
mircea_popescu: turns out i'm actually a top spot contender ? gibbon clocks 43k ? ooook.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ima go have pie and meditate on the implications of this.
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assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:28:21; BingoBoingo: is image suitable for lithography?
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:47:10; ben_vulpes: oh
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 10:20:39; mircea_popescu: turns out i'm actually a top spot contender ? gibbon clocks 43k ? ooook.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:56:32; ben_vulpes: this one's in the log somewhere
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 09:09:11; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413452 << when they stopped making sluts that go on breadboards, they "got to him". what's to get. suppose you marry a woman on the criteria of she's fucking hot, and she keeps making you children and they all have the iq of an argentine. how long do you keep up the charade of "this here is a house of intellectual ppls" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> creates nyoo wurdz, it does.. << im too lazy too look if the guy published the wordlist anywhere and check
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9005 @ 0.00056375 = 5.0766 BTC [-]
jurov: !ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central
assbot: Some are born to endless night.
jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central
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jurov: interesting, as if 400 eur was psychological threshold
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai not really news at this time
shinohai: Good God what is that thing, a ghettomobile?
BingoBoingo: Well you can see the thumb that snuck into a picture there was clearly white.
BingoBoingo: Also it is advertised as being in the north (polish) as opposed to south (Obama) side of Chicago
trinque: >automatic usage of tor when it's running
☟︎ trinque: hey kid, you wanna buy some marijuanas on the Dark Web?
danielpbarron: they claim to use their own replacement of openssl in this version; for some reason i thought they had already done that
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They previously used their thing for signing. Now signing + verification.
BingoBoingo: It also still calls openssl if it is called to do anything that involves making
https connections (liek rpc)
☟︎ kakobrekla: this happened to me on bitstamp in 2011 or 12, had a deposit processed twice. i reported it though.
trinque: wouldibeascammer: why are you crowdsourcing how to live?
kakobrekla: something like 100 btc worth at the time irrc
punkman: I'd report it if I liked them, otherwise who cares, fuck em
punkman: so where's the dilemma? did they give you a free mil or somehting?
BingoBoingo: wouldibeascammer: Probably best to contact them
BingoBoingo: wouldibeascammer: When you join the channel you IP was showing
kakobrekla: there arent that many 'operators' on this chan
BingoBoingo: Generally if you liek something you help it to flourish, report and just mebbe you get a bounty? Otherwise who knows wtf happens if you open the other door.
kakobrekla: all that i got was a request for kyc/aml procedure!
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wouldibeascammer: reported it, it's annoying to put my order in while leaving out what I don't want to use
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 22:49:58; asciilifeform: *психушка fuck this keyboard
mircea_popescu: bonus points, the beaten end's called "flower", you know, as in "deflower".
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 18:20:39; trinque: >automatic usage of tor when it's running
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 18:31:00; BingoBoingo: It also still calls openssl if it is called to do anything that involves making
https connections (liek rpc)
mircea_popescu: and once leveldb is "replaced", it'll still be used, also.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 19:02:29; trinque: heh, called it
trinque: IPs are geographically allocated
mircea_popescu: to borrow from alf, "countdown for that door getting welded shut in 3, 2..."
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ben_vulpes: in "other things jewels ripped from the forum's wall" news, Slack will repost the relevant log link when a user pastes its url into a chat
mod6: so if i wanna a bunch of scheme code in a file and then load that file into the interpreter so I have my procedures defined without having to type them all in... how do I do that?
mod6: just put code in "foo.scheme" and then somehow load it with tinyscheme ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: traditionally you use emacs and C-c C-k to compile the file in
mod6: !up thestringpuller
mod6: ben_vulpes: anyway to do this without emacs?
phf: ben_vulpes: mit scheme is not the same as tinyscheme
phf: ben_vulpes: mit scheme is non-standard
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Gaxaro.2:355c11a85a20a6cb33c3c83ff573ce92d1bc4927c907dfc356b45ffba2d57c4f
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for Gaxaro with note: Euloran noob; paid back a 300k loan in a timely fashion
phf: mod6: you want to do (catch #f (load "foo.scm")), because without catch any errors in your foo.scm are going to kill tinyscheme AND terminate bitcoind without cleanup
mod6: asciilifeform & ben_vulpes: yup that worked.
mod6: i'll try that. (im just playing with tinyscheme on its own, outside of shiva/bitcoin) -- figure its a good idea to use THIS interpreter as opposed to some other one/lisp.
☟︎ phf: mod6: catch is tinyscheme specific and is defined in init.scm, but load is in r5rs.ps ;)
shinohai: Congratulate me, I was nearly 90% synced on new node, had an unexpected reboot and it borked my data dir, now hafta start over :/
mod6: oh unexpected reboot 'eh
danielpbarron: stupid me for not stopping it periodically to backup, but i wanted to see if i could get the whole thing synced in one go
danielpbarron: what timing it happened to both of us at around the same time
mod6: phf: and I meant "is #<EOF> normal?"
danielpbarron: city workers did maintenance on the whole neighborhood's power without giving me any warning
danielpbarron: also lost a lunch out of it as it went out in the middle of my rice and chicken cooking
shinohai: Just weird to me though, haven't had it happen before and I have accidentally restarted the lappy 1000 times and it started back perfect.
shinohai sheds a tear for danielpbarron 's chicken-n-rice
phf: mod6: i think so, as long as you're still in repl. i think that's tinyscheme's specifics (i.e. last token is #<eof> and that's what load returns, but i'm not sure)
mod6: is there a way to see what procedures are currently loaded into the construct?
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 21:12:32; ben_vulpes: is this thing standardized or not?!
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 21:17:59; mod6: i'll try that. (im just playing with tinyscheme on its own, outside of shiva/bitcoin) -- figure its a good idea to use THIS interpreter as opposed to some other one/lisp.
phf: mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
☟︎ phf: it's hell of slow though, because i can'e seem to find an equivalent of symbol-value
phf: actually, that code does something very odd with environment...
phf: so at the moment, the answer is no:)
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 13:19:33; kakobrekla: yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.
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pete_dushenski: i'd be pleasantly surprised if contravex isn't even at the lower end of that largest vocab list. ~15k different words over a two year and ~450k published word lifetime ? sounds optimistic, but until mircea_popescu shares secret recipe, hard to say given that other 'solutions' seem to be nothing but paid scamware.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 09:18:25; mircea_popescu: i suppose in memory of the event Bahamas' full name should be expanded to Mssr Bahamas Pedale or something.
pete_dushenski: which actually goes some way to explain why he's so shit at backpedalling.
pete_dushenski: "when i, professor bahamas, said that there was a red line that shall not be crossed in syria or else i'd put boots on the ground, i forgot to mention that there was an asterix associated with that statement that nullified its supposed consequence if it turned out that i wasn't a taller, darker napolean after all."
phf: we can make it, we have the technology