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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically it all comes down to a gns absence issue ?
trinque: once off that, I might see about ebuilding trb (with perhaps phf's v+portage work if it surfaces), and then mircea_popescu's gns v-tree, unless gpg replacement surfaces soon, in which case deedbot->peh work
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875439 <-- this has been on my mind after seeing http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/#selection-317.47-317.193 . the next immediate step in my queue after publishing rss bot vpatches will be to look at automating communication with deedbot. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, you ever read http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874601 it occurs to me i should probably also share the echo "FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42Fv9985AFAB953C4/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7/gns" | sed 's%.\{1\}%&<wbr />%g' that produced it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ << fixed, finally.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ << Trilema - This GNS thing...
mircea_popescu: billymg it should look like this : http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/#selection-141.91-153.102
asciilifeform: y'mean gns ? or renamed
mircea_popescu: cracking dns, replacing with gns, makes the world fucking work already.
mircea_popescu: and so therefore, how about this convention : re-dld gets ~all~ keys from seals dir ; looks in $key/gns for patches. dumps all the found ones in a dir, then proceeds to build and press tree, that's the hosts and that;'s it.
mircea_popescu: i ~suppose~ one manner of handling this is the followingf convention : patches to be acquired from $key/gns/ dir, for all keys in the seals ring. so it'd look for "6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/gns" which is not a "valid" domain per usg.verisign "rules" however it DOES resolve in our own system. because we can put ips on anything we want.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 19:34 asciilifeform: for instance 1 possible answer is 'no files, errything is an s-expression, and names live in gns'
asciilifeform: for instance 1 possible answer is 'no files, errything is an s-expression, and names live in gns' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: thinking about this, it's fucking evident what difference the online made for the thinking mind. yes i was a child, but child or no child, it didn't occur to me that i must have a gns link to the item that i like. "this" and pointing was an acceptable manner of reference in the 90s, because why the hell wouldn't it be and what's a global namespace anyway.
mod6: I can delcare the v054 release with a manifest of my own ala: To declare a "release", an author's GNS pointer for a project would point to his selected manifest.
mircea_popescu: yes. his intuition is correct, eventually will grow into gns.
trinque: esthlos: ^ gns updated
mircea_popescu: are we specifiing a gns standard for these ?
mircea_popescu: gns:mircea/writings/trilema/categories/ is just about the only way to corectly refer to the item.
mircea_popescu: myeah. the only problem is that i suspect the unix notion of filenames (if ~properly~ regarded, ie, full paths) is actually entirely correct, and how gns will have to work anyway.
mircea_popescu: gns, when.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779464 << this is an iffy point, currently mostly used to serve imperial nonsense/crapola, but we might end up wishing to overload it. see whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gns thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: item eminently doesn't deal with "programs" or "applications" or anything ; it's a proper url system, it locates resources. can put in the gns that you're a dentist in kennebunkport, maine, and if i need a dentist...
mircea_popescu: so announcement of a new partch would be author changing his gns entry for X from press-to-q to press-to-k ; if user is disinterested he jkust gets dragged along, otherwise if user requires he sign local copy he stays put.
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the gns even be properly global ; it's your job to make it global-locally and that's that.
mircea_popescu: 4. in all cases, a container consists of a tag and binary data ; the tag section of the gns tells it what v trees are acceptable applications upon that data.
mircea_popescu: 2. the client queries whichever gns it is configured to, and inquires as to contacting machines which hold data related to this item. it receives a list of them, on the basis of what signatures mircea_popescu told it to trust signed.
mircea_popescu: as for the gns above, no obligation.
mircea_popescu: so gns is basically just a lengthy registrar of assignments, a=b sorta thing, signed by keys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in ~principle~ a container could tell you what class of procedure it wants to be eaten by ; and gns could tell you which v-trees implement it.
mircea_popescu: so tell me how is pstp going to work without a gns to reference container content names ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765100 << this is a gensym in the sense girl you met at butcher's is your true love. why not call gns like sane people. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yes we don't have a gns yet, but this doesn't excuse us from... doing the same computations by hand as if we had it! it's not suddenly allowable to go "well since i have no running water i therefore do not wash". no bitch -- since you have no running water, you walk fifty miles uphil each way to GET water in a bucket. still wash.
mircea_popescu: the oither problem is of course that this lays right into gns
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
ben_vulpes: "gns"? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572653 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 04:11 trinque: concretely, I would like to connect to your lisp instance from mine and be able to interrogate it for classes of objects it contains, for particular instances (i.e. there is a global notion of identity, global addressing, see threads on GNS), get instances which match some predicate...
trinque: concretely, I would like to connect to your lisp instance from mine and be able to interrogate it for classes of objects it contains, for particular instances (i.e. there is a global notion of identity, global addressing, see threads on GNS), get instances which match some predicate... ☟︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590857 << i guess so. i also guess that gns/gossipd are competing paradigms in terms of namespace / choosing how to name things. but they can also be orthogonal, i'd think.. ☝︎
Framedragger: i guess one may have a database of keys, as well as a table of signed-with-key nicknames which establish someone claiming a nickname for key? sort of gns. alternative scheme is to have any kind of aliasing be local, as per gossipd. less convenient for things like looking up nickname in wot.deedbot.org of course.
mircea_popescu looks up meaning in gns, is unaffected.
mircea_popescu: in principle can index by any of the three for new software / maintain current association for extant software, and be ready to migrate when we finally have a proper gns
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp.
mircea_popescu: all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace.
mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: gns:// plox
Framedragger: so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes.
mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: gns is not dns ; it will hold any symbols you realise.
Framedragger: the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing.
mircea_popescu: in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE
Framedragger: i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too..
mircea_popescu: we're even contemplating making a proper gns to be fed through dns pipe, much to alf's chagrin.
mircea_popescu: currently, you can not register a gns item. at some point X, you will become able to. thenceforth, you will be able to. that's the whole timeline.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 00:34 Framedragger: because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself.
Framedragger: because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself. ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: there's one important distinction here. the gns has a WoT identity running it.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i guess in your view, perhaps no viable conflicts would arise in gns? say, two owners of two distinct pgp keys claiming ownership of "apple.com". some kind of due process is to take place, presumably
Framedragger: right. how would the process of resolving conflicts in gns look like, though? (i'm just curious, i.e. question is well-intentioned, not troll-y)
mircea_popescu: up SOMEWHERE. that's the gns.
Framedragger: so the notion of a local symbol frame/context will be retained inevitably, is that what you're saying mircea_popescu? (in which case i'd add that gns-the-implementation could even probably be used - on each interested user's machine - as a local name system. etc.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say the gns as discussed on trilema drastically reduces it.
Framedragger: personally i don't see why there could not be a GNS which would be separate from commitments to specific transport standards. have a table, have a transport layer, swap the layer later. i may be naive in regards to the "swap" step, i guess... :/
decimation: "Aircraft conducting WAAS approaches must possess certified GPS receivers, which are much more expensive than non-certified units. In 2006, Garmin's least expensive certified receiver, the GNS 430W, had a suggested retail price of US$10,750.[27]"
herbijudlestoids: personally i prefer implementations like the GNUnet Name System (GNS)