tmsr - Log 2017-10-28

mircea_popescu: trinque yes but basic shit, how do you prevent joe from spreading his "virus" thusly ?

mircea_popescu: the great advantage of current archival mechanism is that it powerwashes the targets. ☟︎

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/vivre-sa-vie/ << Trilema - Vivre sa vie

mircea_popescu: ah nope, new page is all.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730046 so basically publish via gossipd ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 23:11 trinque: trilema in the model has a key, chatters to peers when something is published. peers retain or dont as their node is set, allow others to connect to retrieve items or dont as idem.

mod6: heh, 'spangle the log'

mod6: hanbot: eggwash = yoke included?

mod6: *yolk. ugh

trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, if you asked "what did joe say about $hash" and joe was an asshole, you get fucked

trinque: just like the current www

trinque: hopefully you know good joes, otherwise browse rando's hashes on burner box

trinque: and yep, derives directly from notions being formed in the gossipd threads

mircea_popescu: so then why not simply pipe the current apache or w/e into gossipd.

trinque: current web flowing over the thing wouldn't look much different from that; however, things *built* for the model would be parceled differently.

trinque: take a particular trilema article, your node announces that there is a new $string which resolves to $hash and your node signed the fact

trinque: connected nodes chatter this fact

mircea_popescu: iirc signed packets went nowehre in that discussion.

trinque: your comments section would not be hosted by you, but would rather be comprised of a marker which says "here be statements others made about $currentDoc"

trinque: signed application-layer material.

trinque: I'm speaking of publishing, not how gossipd nodes move packets

mod6: hmm

mircea_popescu: the reason i didn't start the gossipd discussion with trilema specifically has to do with the comments problem. which is : there's some implicit authority-and-authorship play wrt comments, as reader is more interested in mp's idea of what comments were than in random spew, and by a large factor.

trinque: that still can be a fact also published by your node.

mircea_popescu: so i always imagined that to plug web ie blogs such as trilema into gossipd, what'd happen would be that i'd announce what the article is and what the comments were.

mircea_popescu: in fact much like now

trinque: sure, someone announces to you "I would like to scrawl this on your wall" and you announce inclusion or not

mircea_popescu: obviously this dun preclude anyone from private commentary. but you can't have trilema announce shit as comments because it heard from discuss.

trinque: absolutely.

mircea_popescu: i mean disqus, the spammy comment shit.

mircea_popescu: the oither problem is of course that this lays right into gns

mircea_popescu: which is what that whole " a new $string which resolves to $hash" is all about.

trinque: I am and have been preoccupied with, respectfully, the mike_c problem.

trinque: gotta cleave the "$he said $fact" from "there is this silo which is the only source of $fact"

trinque: communist megastate fucktards throughout the entire extant internet, because no one ever dies on field. who could tell; we're all fungible.

mircea_popescu: there is merit to this view.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, tis a delicate operation and im not sure we have spare patients.

mircea_popescu: so... what are we cleaving, where and how ?

BingoBoingo: <trinque> lol what, like someone's browser cache is doing as they click? << What's "browser cache" is it like BTC Crash?

BingoBoingo: !~help

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.

BingoBoingo: help

BingoBoingo: !!help

deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html

BingoBoingo: !!rate felipelalli -1 Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity ☟︎

deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iqt3I/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: !!v E3FD9218C12901629452665E978D5444A31EC5CAE42A3BDDD45C486E781C670

BingoBoingo: !!V E3FD9218C12901629452665E978D5444A31EC5CAE42A3BDDD45C486E781C670B

deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of felipelalli from 1 to -1 << Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/roma/ << Trilema - Roma

BingoBoingo: https://jameslafond.blogspot.com/2017/10/conscripted-in-drug-war.html

hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk ☟︎☟︎

hanbot: !!up mircea_popescu

deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730101 << ftr, the canonical form is yolk only, no white no milk no nothing. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 05:29 hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk

mircea_popescu: aand in other big data paintings, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/comms-chart-2.png

hanbot: clearly i have disease of american capitalist, crazy shit stick on all sides of yolk and still not hit largest side of carcass

mircea_popescu: ahaha

hanbot: oh hey, that's pretty. what is it?

mircea_popescu: hanbot you prolly recall, old fain datas, http://trilema.com/2011/2022353/ ☟︎

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/un-borghese-piccolo-piccolo/ << Trilema - Un borghese piccolo piccolo

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729713 << This is probably least healthy thing to be doing unless storing fuel for next "burn the ships on touching shore" move. The sorta resentments probable on returning to the big prison sound a lot like how people get lost in bottles. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 11:19 asciilifeform: plane back to shitschwitz in couplea days

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh, alcohol is expensive and doesn't exist. he's safe. ☟︎

hanbot: mircea_popescu oh yeah, neat

BingoBoingo: Eh, there's no drunk worse than a dry drunk

mircea_popescu: as the old "there's no rot worse than dry rot" ?

BingoBoingo: Yeah. Companion phrase is "The second best treatment for the alcoholic problems is booze"

BingoBoingo: Without the drinking to forget, all that remains is a big meatsack full of resentments.

mircea_popescu: well... it's complicated.

BingoBoingo: It is

BingoBoingo: But, returning to DC swamp food desert what do alf tastes have to look forward to? How does one cope? Does alf go to distilled water and grain alcohol diet? ☟︎

BingoBoingo: In other news, Apple's "car play" infotainment software is coming to... The 2018 Honda Goldwing (2-wheels), this is sure to be lulzy

BingoBoingo: Ah, such classic http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ ☟︎

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730101 << ftr, the canonical form is yolk only, no white no milk no nothing. << ah ok ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 05:29 hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk

mod6: !!up mircea_popescu

deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.

lobbes: "CarPlay is an Apple standard that enables a car radio or head unit to be a display and also act as a controller for an iPhone." << oh god

lobbes: fwiw in the short-term, I may have lobbesbot start archiving wotpastes only and host them to my personal www ☟︎

lobbes: seems like that's been the main (only?) demand so far: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729991 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:13 mod6: and it was pretty nifty that it had archived all of the pastes.

lobbes: if anything: redundancy. And if in x $time trinque's vision becomes realized I'll be ready to relay whatever I got

mod6: there's also a few other things mentioned in the thread above.

lobbes: true. pdf converter top-priority

mod6: yeah, kinda interesting little project there.

lobbes: hmm. I'm sure it is above my skill, but so was everything else I've done here before I did it

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730021 << archive.is is a (not esp. reliable, and easily, often, blocked by enemy) central point of failure, and to put further pressure on it is screaming lunacy ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:28 mircea_popescu: the principal impediment to republican logging, atm, is that nobod yucan be arsed to write a html de-fucker ; there is one already written, by the archive.is dood, which spits out zips. the solutions then are either a) piggyback on that, which alf has (irresponsibly) been trying to obstruct throughout, and in the laughablest of manners or else b) make own, which will without exception require making own, and RIGHT NOW, not "n

asciilifeform: 'let's fetch all of our links via one ip' how is that alone not batshit and invitation for diddles.

lobbes: plus, one day archive.is will be gone overnight

asciilifeform: and author did ~not~ write 'html defucker', by all indications he has a headless browser which infects just like other graphical wwwtrons and is public toilet

asciilifeform: lobbes: and yes, it will

asciilifeform: and even if it stays up, author is a wotless heathen, can be relied on to, e.g., supply logs to enemy, insert boobytraps , lose or modify stored material, one day.

asciilifeform: while the thing stays up and appears to work, it is spottily useful, like google cache et al. but to suggest to build it permanently into infrastructure is nonsense, and i can only assume mircea_popescu had a strong bottle when suggested it

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023 << pdf decrufter is similar item to graphical-www archiver, it is turing-complete op, and requires either absolutely correct soft (e.g. adatronic 100%) or sacrificial publictoilet iron. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:29 mircea_popescu: thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.

asciilifeform: fwiw i have one for publictoilet iron, it's a few line of bash, spits out result similar to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707238 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:35 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html << example of one 'handmade' alternative to djvu & similar

asciilifeform: the problem is where to host, if publicly accessible it needs potentially massive bandwidth, and if not public, is a fucking pain ( i won't be entering pw or whatever nonsense every time i want to click a link, wtf )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730032 << it's as reliable as the lift in a sov apt block ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:48 mircea_popescu: wrt to scriba's archiving : it appears to be on now, and working since yesterday (26th). it did not work in the interval 10-25 october ; nor in the interval 2-8 october (limits included). so it for instance included http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729704 but not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728494 and so following.

asciilifeform: and as specifically-diddlable as if we were all to ride one particular lift every morning.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730047 << i sat down to write something quite similar, and then realized that i can milk a remote node for its rsa privkey via timing , lol. but fast forward to today. ffa still on track for release for end of nov. btw. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 23:12 trinque: anybody recall directconnect? probably closer to what the thing oughta look like than say gnutella, but with a hierarchy of nodes instead of connecting to one station.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730037 << am i the only 1 for whom spending btc feels moar like selling organs than spending money, tho ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729970 << this is an altogether dubious point. magnolia went south IN SPITE of paying customers, through operator ineptitude.

asciilifeform: at this point i am only willing to spend it on capital goodz ( i.e. where i have pretty solid notion that it can bring back the spent coin )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730050 << from where comes this idea ? just because it strips js ? it'll do 0 against, e.g., an overflow in jpeg renderer ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 00:29 mircea_popescu: the great advantage of current archival mechanism is that it powerwashes the targets.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730112 << gotta liquidate my earthly goods, study moar ro-fu, and yes, pile up moar fuel for 1st stage of rocket ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 06:02 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729713 << This is probably least healthy thing to be doing unless storing fuel for next "burn the ships on touching shore" move. The sorta resentments probable on returning to the big prison sound a lot like how people get lost in bottles.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730114 << funnily, the near-only thing not expensive in usa is booze. unlike in old su, nobody drinks cologne, notice ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 06:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh, alcohol is expensive and doesn't exist. he's safe.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730122 << asciilifeform has expensive, unreliable, and difficult solutions for everything!111 but would prefer sanity. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 06:11 BingoBoingo: But, returning to DC swamp food desert what do alf tastes have to look forward to? How does one cope? Does alf go to distilled water and grain alcohol diet?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "Booze" cheap, pure grain alcohol not quite as

asciilifeform: for what do i need this again ?

BingoBoingo: because US lacks edible food now

asciilifeform: it always lacked it, lol

lobbes: asciilifeform> am i the only 1 for whom spending btc feels moar like selling organs than spending money, tho << this is a pretty spot-on description to my experience anytime I part with my btc

BingoBoingo: But now more acutely for you, having done Rokatu trip on sub MP budget

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not first expedition for asciilifeform

asciilifeform: btw BingoBoingo you could live like normal person for 20bux/d here; and like royalty for 50 . ( caveat : it's a natostan and usg-occupied in the east, naturally. tho you wouldn't be able to tell with naked eye. )

asciilifeform bbl, off into town

BingoBoingo: Well, there's your bsns model. Get more pets, work them sucking cock. At $5 per cock and 4 cocks per hour, solve for pets.

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5770.0, vol: 10356.50288917 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5747.4, vol: 33198.94476693 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5797.0, vol: 2590.63265763 | Volume-weighted last average: 5755.25662277

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730094 << that's scandalous. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 03:42 BingoBoingo: !!rate felipelalli -1 Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730130 << here's what you can do : a) make lobbesbot dump all links it sees into archive.is ; b) have lobbesbot download and save all thusly produced archive.is .zips ; c) add a new function to lobbesbot whereby !Qarchive http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730124 produces a bill to the caller (something sane, say maybe 1 satoshi / mbite) and once paid, forwards him the zip encrypted to his k ☝︎☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 06:26 lobbes: fwiw in the short-term, I may have lobbesbot start archiving wotpastes only and host them to my personal www

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 06:16 BingoBoingo: Ah, such classic http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/

mircea_popescu: ey.

mircea_popescu: (the figure was obtained through going "well, actual storage cost is 0.3 satoshi / MB as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730008 ; obviously other than storage there's also costs to dld and amortize the code, and some margin, so whatever, 1 / MB) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, storage is about 2 fiatcents aka 300 or so satoshi per gb

mircea_popescu: lobbes you can also collate all these, only invoice > x sum for each user. you already have the infrastructure for that from auctions anyway.

mircea_popescu: at first some stress testing will surely be welcome ; but on the long term can't flood trinque with 1 satoshi bills.

mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-18#680370 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-05-18 11:04 mircea_popescu: !up ho_

asciilifeform: in other lulz, at banat festival, not only peasant huts, fried cheeses, sausages of 9000 types, but shooting gallery a la carnival but with... m16

asciilifeform: ( why not kalash? where is your pride, ro folx !1! )

mircea_popescu: god i hated those stupid shits.

mircea_popescu: fucking put a carnival in the middle of the historic town, buncha retarded gypos.

asciilifeform: edge not middle. near the zoo etc

asciilifeform: the woodlands.

mircea_popescu: oh oh ?

asciilifeform: where the restored peasant huts, with oxcarts etc are

mircea_popescu: at some point they built these temporary shits in between the opera house and the metropolitan church.

mircea_popescu: a, that;'s nice.

asciilifeform: near the mountain of executed-by-commies

asciilifeform: also i finally found where to speak de : peasant chix at sausagery spoke

asciilifeform: thought i'd leave without meeting 1 .

mircea_popescu: many ppl do, german widely spoken/understood in ro banat.

asciilifeform: is what i thought !

asciilifeform: but nobody in shops , etc seemed to.

mircea_popescu: prolly immigrants from teh oltenia.

asciilifeform: then! cheese an' sausage d00d hears pet englisching and looked genuinely sad when asciilifeform did not want to buy his whole multi-kg supply

asciilifeform: 'but english! rich!'

mircea_popescu: heh

mircea_popescu: weren't you going to take a suitcase over to the tsa people anyway ?

asciilifeform: also banatmuseum had 'typical hut of dekulakized kulak in '51'

mircea_popescu: so they can throw out fine cheese while eating plastic shoes ?

asciilifeform: i did take a case, they'll be stealing hats if 'lucky'

asciilifeform: fwiw i have a 'get out of tsa 99.9%' membership

asciilifeform: oh also was hut of 'typical ukr', 'typical serb', 'typical svabi'

asciilifeform: these were perma-exhibits, oak, stone, mircea_popescu prolly saw already.

mircea_popescu: aha. there's one in all major towns, also.

asciilifeform: i can picture.

mircea_popescu: brasov, cluj, iirc oradea also has, sighisoara, sibiu, so following

asciilifeform: somewhat to my surprise there was, under covered rooflets, fancy furniture from 19th c, and even a 1880s ( i think) petrol engine, the 1cyl monster with flywheel

asciilifeform: just standing there

asciilifeform: ( iirc in english called 'hit and miss motor' )

asciilifeform: some distance away -- found the grain mill it once turned.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in nice boots, http://78.media.tumblr.com/3beb8d79229917781aeb926c2e7b5405/tumblr_ne9qfswgUR1u1v46io1_400.gif

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730179 << When duty calls, it calls. And the answer is not trading pleasantries and then ghosting (11 days and counting) when questions come up. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 12:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730094 << that's scandalous.

BingoBoingo: !~later tell felipelalli Sorry I missed your appearance today. Was digging sweet potatoes before we get a hard freeze tonight.

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: aaand in other teeny tits, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b853b93429dbbac60998faf4aca59d2c/tumblr_nm4pa50oBE1u57hbxo1_1280.jpg

alex__c: she cute

alex__c: meanwhile in Timisoara, yesterday's Halloween party: https://imgur.com/a/z9P30

alex__c: 2 KKK guys, another with the kekistan flag lol

mircea_popescu: ahaha wut are you dressed as ?

alex__c: nothing really.. went for Amish when ppl asked

mircea_popescu: aw dood totally, that last chick, that's a good idea.

mircea_popescu: go around with fallout 1 scenes drawn on your head.

alex__c: she won the contest, btw

mircea_popescu: a fair cop.

BingoBoingo: !~bcstats

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5758.06, vol: 7045.82958012 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5735.9, vol: 26607.30583513 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5764.8, vol: 2155.58034599 | Volume-weighted last average: 5741.9999634

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 4959.049067, vol: 6967.15639213 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 4960.0, vol: 3128.44682563 | Volume-weighted last average: 4959.34374412

BingoBoingo: In other mine chaff: " The Bond Market Is Supposed to Watch Out for Long-Term Problems. Why Isn’t It More Worried About Climate Change?"

BingoBoingo: !!Up samO

deedbot: samO voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform will be floating around in bucharest for a day

BingoBoingo: Float well

BingoBoingo: In other researching, apparently exploding security breifcases are available commercially off the shelf ☟︎

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: da fuck are you researching

BingoBoingo: What can and can not be taken on Air plane

BingoBoingo: Gotta make plans to move disks somehow

mircea_popescu: encrypt to key, store online, move key. ☟︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730181 << I'll start working on getting this up and running. While I agree with alf that archive.is is a central point of failure, we nevertheless need something short-term ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 12:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730130 << here's what you can do : a) make lobbesbot dump all links it sees into archive.is ; b) have lobbesbot download and save all thusly produced archive.is .zips ; c) add a new function to lobbesbot whereby !Qarchive http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730124 produces a bill to the caller (something sane, say maybe 1 satoshi / mbite) and once paid, forwards him the zip encrypted to his k

lobbes: plus, I can always plug into whatever homebrew tmsr www-to-zip functionality comes along down the road

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: besides, can always build your own "take this silicon-valey produced vomit and extract the webpage from it" later.

mircea_popescu: lobbes and for bonus points, once it's up you can also walk the logs and process links retrospectively.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/giancarlo-giannini-settebellezze-sessomatto/ << Trilema - Giancarlo Giannini : Settebellezze & Sessomatto