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deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/vilsack-attempts-to-whitewash-hussein-bahamas-rural-legacy/ << Qntra - Vilsack Attempts To Whitewash Hussein Bahamas Rural Legacy
BingoBoingo: In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 439106 | Current Difficulty: 2.546201873040614E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 439487 | Next Difficulty In: 381 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: http://archive.is/hMBhc <<< tinder to include "fill-in-the-blank" gender option, turning it into a mad-libs of dating
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1568014 << that's what i thought as well - i queried along the same lines: "say someone with a valid GPG key rushes to register trilema.com in the Republican DNS before yourself. I suppose that is all well and good, and you negrating the key would only be appropriate in the instance of that person ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 23:29 trinque: who needs blanket policy when he's free to choose and I'm free to negrate him?
Framedragger: pretending that they are MP?"
Framedragger: and mp said "da fuck, I'm not going to support a dns system where some dork registered trilema", which confused me, so yeah, clarification needed, i think.
Framedragger: because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself.
BingoBoingo: The guiding principle of Inequality demands that the first round of registrations in a domain system must necessarily be limited to the privileged.
BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/elections/upset-trend-felt-down-ballot-in-franklin-county/article_91c4a7c0-843e-5225-b8b7-4700d5bc5ba0.html << More picturesque rural scenes
Framedragger: first round, okay, but other rounds supposedly follow later, and the conflict case can be replicated, i would think, and hence the system supports conflicts, structurally, which need to be addressed one way or another.. dunno.
Framedragger: bbl, sleep
shinohai likes the cardinal virtue of unfairness ....
BingoBoingo: Well if you really care about a name you prolly ought to claim it in the first round
mircea_popescu: Framedragger fcfs, what.
mircea_popescu: the warning's out, whoever doesn't get in the wot is playing with fire.
mircea_popescu: been the word on the street for what, 2+ years now.
shinohai: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3141940/open-source-tools/super-mari-owned-startling-nintendo-based-vulnerability-discovered-in-ubuntu.html <<< bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i like how it's always "but nobody would do this because we already did and reasons"
shinohai: pfffft ... I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people still running 12.04 ... could be slipped into a dirty emulator rom or somesuch
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567990 << that's exactly what i mean. gentlemen among gentlemen and otherwise fuck the peasants. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 19:30 Framedragger: unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. "
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567999 << no it's not. the fact that i extend you the courtesy to not register "loper-os" at the sunrise event doesn't mean jack shit in that context. ethereum tried to change things AFTER. hardly the same thing.\ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 20:43 asciilifeform: it's a fundamentally zimbabwetronic thing.
asciilifeform: not the 'elite get handled' part. the manually-cranked part.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?
mircea_popescu: all definitions are ultimately manual.
asciilifeform: 'premining' is better analogy.
mircea_popescu: hardly much of an analogy.
asciilifeform: what is the motivation for 'civilians' (folx not in on the initial merry round of elite-handling) to subscribe ?
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit.
mircea_popescu: i want something that works for me. if it works for others - good for them. if it doesn't, woe on them.
asciilifeform: /etc/hosts worx for me..
mircea_popescu: the measure of their fitness to survive is very strictly how well things that work for me work for them.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 00:34 Framedragger: because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself.
mircea_popescu: ithout substance.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568036 << what other rounds ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 00:35 Framedragger: first round, okay, but other rounds supposedly follow later, and the conflict case can be replicated, i would think, and hence the system supports conflicts, structurally, which need to be addressed one way or another.. dunno.
mircea_popescu: currently, you can not register a gns item. at some point X, you will become able to. thenceforth, you will be able to. that's the whole timeline.
asciilifeform: how is the 'able to' mechanically implemented ? because it is, or at least appears to be, promisetronic
mircea_popescu: you send "register name x type y key z" to server. if it doesn't have x, it registers it. if it has x, it registers y provided z is the key registered for x.
asciilifeform: 'register name x type y' is signed by z ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: so far good; now say i want to ask 'what is y for this here x'
mircea_popescu: you send a dns request, like they work now exactly.
asciilifeform: what comes back ?
mircea_popescu: same thing as from a dig
asciilifeform: if it's ~exactly~ as now, then i get whatever verizon wants to substitute.
mircea_popescu: so ask over a better protocol then,
asciilifeform: or at&t, or whoever the fuck is upstream, zimbabwe telecom.
mircea_popescu: dns as is is dns as is.
asciilifeform: this is more or less an exact description of 'ask gossiptron to look up rating' except for the odd part where mircea_popescu wants it to be central or at least globally synchronized
asciilifeform: why not instead 'i ask my wot what is y for this x, if anyone disagrees, there are problems'
mircea_popescu: (ftr, re "does z sign", there's a beautiful tie-in for deedbot in here, because there's no reason i couldn't register straight from !!, and especially so if i have to pay something)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion. it's of the nature of ask deedbot, not of the nature of "what does the lordship think"
asciilifeform: if this were so airtight, blockchain would not be necessary in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: central server(s).
asciilifeform: i.e. usg.dns but with new arse(s) in throne ?
asciilifeform: by this logic, why not also make tmsr ntp ?
asciilifeform: ... or even throw out bitcoin and replace with 'tmsr central bank', on server in mircea_popescu's martian dome.
asciilifeform: possibly i am thick but i see same exact problem with all 3.
mircea_popescu: i don't know what "this logic" is. you are currently using dns, yes ?
mircea_popescu: "by this logic, why not also use windows".
mircea_popescu: wtf.
mircea_popescu: "People think that Web browsers are elegant computation platforms, and Web pages are light, fluffy things that you can edit in Notepad as you trade ironic comments with your friends in the coffee shop. Nothing could be further from the truth." << actually... that's exactly how it goes for me. and i mean that literally - i write straight html while hurr durring with teh girlz.
asciilifeform: cannot speak for others, but i would like to use ~less~ dns and other centralized simon-says, not ~more~.
mircea_popescu: what you'd like doesn't enter into this. you'll use the dictionary whether you like to or not.
asciilifeform: copy the structure of the empire -- become the empire.
mircea_popescu: yes, except dictionaries aren't the structure of the empire. they're the structure of thought.
asciilifeform: they are also reasonably static.
mircea_popescu: this is a debatable point. they are however fixed in context ; much like symbol tables for a running program say.
asciilifeform: (not speaking of marvels like 'the big soviet encyclopaedia', which famously in '30s had 'updates' mailed in to subscribers, complete with razor blade to cut out undesirables)
asciilifeform in whole life has only ever owned one encyclopaedia, 'britannica 1958', fished out of a skip as a boy, and incidentally it was the longest edition they made -- after that, only cuts. and the thing is surprisingly useful.
asciilifeform: back upstack: i'm not convinced that 'the structure of thought' and 'updated regularly by remote hands' go together.
mircea_popescu: you don't own a ru dictionary ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not any moar sadly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your objection would be that if i one day decide to move trilema from ip x to ip y i thereby am confusing your thought process unduly ?
mircea_popescu: trilema fucking exists as my act of will, wherever i say it is that's where it is. of course they go together.
asciilifeform: though i ~have~ considered purchasing 'big soviet e.' in dead tree...
asciilifeform: trilema yes.
asciilifeform: but 'central servers' implies that i might also rely on mircea_popescu to say where, e.g., ben_vulpes's site, lives
asciilifeform: system where i gotta ask mircea_popescu where lives trilema, but if looking for www of ben_vulpes, must ask ben_vulpes -- i have 0 quarrel with.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568043 << link moar LIBRARIES!1111 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:08 shinohai: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3141940/open-source-tools/super-mari-owned-startling-nintendo-based-vulnerability-discovered-in-ubuntu.html <<< bwahahaha
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568025 << and holy fuck, is it just me or does 'change.gov' no longer resolve ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 00:15 BingoBoingo: In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/
asciilifeform: ^^qntra..?
asciilifeform: 'What’s more, exploit code requires an attacker to program in the arcane 6502 language designed for the NES processor, relying on the way the virtualized 6502 processor translates this code to deliver malicious instructions.' << cpu produced in greatest number in all of history of semiconductor --- 'arcane' ?!
asciilifeform: i have 3 right on this desk
asciilifeform: and i am not even mega-aficionado.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhuth/?raw=true << complete emulator.
asciilifeform: ~1k lines.
asciilifeform: (and ~cycle-accurate~. would be shorter if not.)
asciilifeform: posted here for illustrative purposes.
trinque: nope, no moar change.gov
asciilifeform: rot in peace
asciilifeform: and to think, obummer is still on the throne even.
asciilifeform: but no moar hoap, change.
asciilifeform: can anyone shed light on the precise moment of death ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if you gotta ask deedbot ?
mircea_popescu: you are currently asking deedbot "where to send this repuiblican tax again ?"
asciilifeform: deedbot is bitcoin-anchored, neh ?
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: none of that conflicts with any of this.
mircea_popescu: ;; ANSWER SECTION: change.org. 2446 IN A 104.16.5.13 change.org. 2446 IN A 104.16.4.13 ftr.
asciilifeform: i get, ftr, same EGGOG as if i ask for tmsr.gov.
mircea_popescu: added 2009-7-26 last updated 2016-6-19
asciilifeform: odd.
mircea_popescu: rua=amonzur@change.org if anyone cares.
asciilifeform: whois.icann.org claims to have never heard of it now..
asciilifeform: (it sees 'greatagain.gov' just fine)
asciilifeform: i dun think mail to that addr will deliver any moar.
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: the death must be recent, working its way down the pyramid
asciilifeform: perhaps only hours ago.
asciilifeform: ~change.org~ resolves
mircea_popescu: change.gov was never a thing afaik
asciilifeform: !!google change.gov
deedbot: http://change.gov/jobs/apply_app/ << Presidential Appointments Application | Change.gov: The Obama ... | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Barack_Obama << Presidential transition of Barack Obama - Wikipedia | http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda/ << Civil Rights | Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team
asciilifeform: was too.
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: well nomoar obama jerbs so.
asciilifeform: at least as late as the 2nd of this month, was alive.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re-reading this dns thing, i'm not even sure what the objections are. i'm getting a morass of "why shouldn't all the things be made out of lead since lead works well for pencils" + vague extremisms trying to confuse a clear boundry (x didn't exist ; x exists) with random other things.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform's enlightenment, describe plox why coin should not be made of the same 'lead' (simple scheme -- there are N coins at 'sunrise', and, e.g., mircea_popescu can move coin no. 1,555 to ben_vulpes by signing 'coin 1,555 now belongs to [key of ben_vulpes] at time T' etc
asciilifeform: )
mircea_popescu: this is ~how it works.
asciilifeform: well not quite, there are the other annoying details of blockchain and mining.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: why money should be p2p and dictionaries printed should be self-obvious, however.
asciilifeform: dictionaries don't remote-update.
asciilifeform: at least mine didn't.
mircea_popescu: when you bought the next installment of whatever comic you read as a boy,
mircea_popescu: your dictionary remote-updated.
asciilifeform: now if i had read comic as a boy, i might grasp this.
mircea_popescu: fine. when the ukrainians decided to be a nation, your dictionary also remote-updated.
mircea_popescu: you decided to stay on the old branch, which is fine, but also unrelated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is genius salesman, does he know
asciilifeform: 'buy this vacuum, hose is the same one you were beaten to near death with in the police precinct last year'
mircea_popescu: ironically, i am so intolerant i actually cross over into salesmanship.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those chtulhu things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just because police sometimes beats people up with vacuum hose does not mean vacuums hoses should be banned. we're not french fucking bulldogs, what sort of dogreasoning is this.
asciilifeform: lel who said 'banned'.
mircea_popescu: well so then ?
asciilifeform: just that it is not the most brilliant neutral selling point for asciilifeform in particular, that's all.
mircea_popescu: that i can see.
asciilifeform: i do not necessarily go with 'EVERYTHING must be made of blockchaintronium!111' thing. (if you recall this was actually subj of 1st conversation between mircea_popescu & asciilifeform , on the former's www, back in the day...) but i also dun see why to create a 'throne' if there is a simple means of not creating a throne and solving the problem.
mircea_popescu: but there isn't ; and what's worse, there necessarily can not be.
asciilifeform: was, e.g., 'namecoin', fatally broken in some algorithmic way ?
asciilifeform: (vs simple neglect)
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: remind me, how
mircea_popescu: which is why we never adopted it.
asciilifeform: (iirc it was hammered to death altcoin-style..?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think for a second : the reason delegation exists is because a) people are idiots and b) the lists get long. in that order.
mircea_popescu: now imagine if instead of splitting it up via delegation, you simply made the problem exponentially worse by introducing a gossip layer in there.
mircea_popescu: which is ~what namecheap was.
asciilifeform: namecheap?!
mircea_popescu: im sory namecoin
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: why not, say, standard bitcoin + 'telegraph'
mircea_popescu: last thing you fucking need is for every dns root server to have to talk to EVERY ONE for (total domain data) ^ 1/2's worth
asciilifeform: nah, don't need to 'talk to each one' specially, just look in your blocksxxx.dat for all sends to 1FuCkGoAtS..... and decode the payload.
mircea_popescu: and not btc + "telegraph" for the same reason - horribru data exchange profile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because updates.
asciilifeform: updates happen as the blox come in, neh?
mircea_popescu: finding out where trilema.com should point just became o(blocks)
asciilifeform: inner transport layer can be same as what mircea_popescu described earlier, 'x y z'
mircea_popescu: then if it is, whole thing should just be central server.
asciilifeform: it isn't O(blocks), it's O(blocks i haven't seen yet)
asciilifeform: you maintain local cache.
mircea_popescu: client doesn't hold the whole fucking dns db holy shit.
asciilifeform: eh even usg's db is what, 300M ?
mircea_popescu: "fuck you mp, i hate what i deem thrones so much, you now can't do name resolution on anything without a tb hdd!"
asciilifeform: btw here's an exercise, tally up the mass of all of the code on your linux box that is needed to get it to where it can query dns as we knew it
mircea_popescu: and no, with trims it's well into the tb range.
asciilifeform: also i have nfi re mircea_popescu but my /etc/hosts is not anywhere near 300kB much less mB.
mircea_popescu: there's iirc ~300 mn DOMAIN NAMES.
mircea_popescu: averaging w/e, half a dozen records each
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a spurious objection, you'd still have to hold the whole blockchain to avoid o(blocks) in your insane anti-model.
asciilifeform: how many belong to anything you might ever wish to speak to.
mircea_popescu: you can't know in advance.
mircea_popescu: wtf, "here's the two pages of the dictionary we estimate you may ever need"
asciilifeform: also who the hell isn't a) already holding whole blockchain or b) connected to reliable and trusted box that IS
mircea_popescu: because fuck you, that's why.
asciilifeform: 'this house has a toilet' 'i'ma shit in this chair' 'waaai' 'fuck you that's why' ..?
mircea_popescu: hey. dns is dns.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mebbe a roundup, it's just the empire's dns bookkeeping
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> remind me, how << Blockchain bloats to death, merge mined with Bitcoin so little incentive for miners to include any data... the reasons go on-anon
BingoBoingo: So who is applying to the Trump Transition team as TMSR ambassador?
mircea_popescu: you ?
BingoBoingo nominates pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: why not BingoBoingo ^
mircea_popescu: they take foreign immigrant mexican latinos ?!
BingoBoingo: I am applying to position of making grass green again!
asciilifeform: also asciilifeform's pet will be applying
asciilifeform: (why, i have nfi, imho nuttery)
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't she ?
asciilifeform: also ben_vulpes probably could but he has 'real job'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0 good reason. (doesn't strike me as ideal work for extreme introvert folk who leave the house every month at best, but what do i know)
mircea_popescu: bwahaha i just for the first time read about the whole javascript native prototype reset thing. Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;} srsly ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe she's looking to start a new life as grabee.
asciilifeform: it must've been a 'fortran can and we can too!1111' sort of thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, was what i said
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but if you get to inject code into any of these shits, the whole shebang where they get imported collapses. say you hijack google's tracking bs and put a sprinkling of that in there.
mircea_popescu: hello end of shit-web.
asciilifeform: well yes, you can set 2=1 etc
mircea_popescu: lol DEFENSIVE SEMICOLON
mircea_popescu: o god this paid off.
asciilifeform: (incidentally js is 'expressive' enough to... 'rowhammer'. so why settle for small change, burn entire box)
BingoBoingo: "Under Secretary of Agriculture for Research, Education, and Economics" << Is this pretentious enough title for a lord infiltrating the Great Again to apply for or should I just go Secretary of Agriculture?
mircea_popescu: why not something actually appropriate ? TMSR envoy, something RSA, whatevs
asciilifeform: if mr.t hires a d00d for this post who had ever actually agricultured, i for one will be mega-disappoint.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because that seems like a job for a Canadian and we are down to one of those.
mircea_popescu: !!up yale
deedbot: yale voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Anyways if I am in the USDA maybe I can advance the cause of complete bermudagrass eradication?
mircea_popescu: why not do something that makes sense ?
BingoBoingo: Because still the evil empire.
BingoBoingo will think on this
mircea_popescu: welll... you're living in it...
BingoBoingo: I guess I am.
BingoBoingo: Holy shit I'm already an elder statesman of the Republic!
BingoBoingo: Eh, I might as well.
trinque: did I miss trump putting an add on craigslist or something?
trinque: *ad
asciilifeform: trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567700 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568025 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 16:59 asciilifeform: speaking of public amusement, word is that ~all~ 3,000 or so obummer 'staffers' are quitting. and now being replaced.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 00:15 BingoBoingo: In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/
BingoBoingo: "Please describe why you hope to be a part of the President Elect's administration:" << my answer "Through working my program with my sponsor I believe I am ready to let go, let God, and offer myself completely to the work of summoning The Great Again."
trinque: he shouldn't need that many people to turn off lights and lock doors.
BingoBoingo figures what's the worst that could happen. It's been a few years since the FBI knocked on my door.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: trinque there's that many for the ~same reason highschool dorks move in packs. WHAT IF A GIRL SAYS SOMETHING
mircea_popescu: need each other for moral support.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if nothing else they might send valium.
trinque: lol
trinque: "I'm gonna go talk to Merkel. I'm gonna do it."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Valium is bad for my spiritual condition.
mircea_popescu: well trump doesn't have the obamaproblem. for one thing - grabbing. for the other, he has some practice with "on your back, mel"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how many fellows here present have discovered the wonder of the sixty degree fuck ?
asciilifeform: which one
trinque can think of two
asciilifeform: 60 fits into 360 more even than 2x
trinque: yeah but two I find interesting!
asciilifeform: (and degrees between what, nose and toe? whose ?)
mircea_popescu: you know, when woman (that's a) sufficiently toned and b) sufficently meaty, esp on ass and thighs) spreads her legs 60° with knees straight. so you can momentum-fuck her.
asciilifeform: this may need illustration
mircea_popescu: no ready way to illustrate sadly.
mod6: haha
trinque: this plus arms held back, chick across side of bed or other surface
asciilifeform: trinque: for some reason i pictured -- vertical
mircea_popescu: but in general she acts as resonator.
mircea_popescu: nono she's on her back.
asciilifeform: (i've picture mircea_popescu & co. on circus trapeze ever since his tale of the semicircular loop thing)
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: no, as her thighs and pubic muscles lock she produces this assemblage which resonates somewhere around 1.3-1.7hz
mircea_popescu: depends on weight. if she's too light it runs away far above what you can touch ; if more fat than a 2-3% or so it dampens.
mircea_popescu: but there's a sweet spot, and boy is it sweet.
ben_vulpes: legs parallel to bed or at an angle from that as well?
mircea_popescu: peeerpendicular even
mircea_popescu retrospectively realises he's made a pretty shitty description.
mircea_popescu: also bbl.
ben_vulpes: i thought this was kindergarten fuckatronix
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568227 << slander ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 03:55 asciilifeform: also ben_vulpes probably could but he has 'real job'
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What are you applying for?
ben_vulpes: diddly squat.
ben_vulpes: devil will have to get off his arse and make me an offer for my time.
ben_vulpes: see http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-27#1073374 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-27 00:32 mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing.
ben_vulpes: this 'real job' slander has me ALL RILED
BingoBoingo: Ok my application to join the Trumpreich has been submitted.
ben_vulpes: trumpenreich has such a better sound to it
ben_vulpes off
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Trumpreich application allows selecting for multiple positions and departments.
BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2016/11/lost-penis-pannus/
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/E7s4j << in other nooz, your android cell phone may be routinely sending all your txt msgs to EVIL CHINESE SERVERS.
pete_dushenski: but now that shillary lost and trumpreich reigneth, the bad guy is west, not east. so bank on more such EVIL CHINESE THINGS coming to light in the not-too-distant future.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ty for the nomination. other than wear very sharp suits, know which fork to use at which dinner course, have had tremendous orthodontics, be able to pull up to a reception in a wide variety of long-wheelbase luxury sedans, be able to hold a conversation with most any iyi regardless of background, what all's entailed ?
pete_dushenski: (ftr 'iyi' is talebism - http://archive.is/dllGv)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh wait possibly legs rotating in hip sockets in a coplanar fashion?
ben_vulpes: > Kryptowire was jumpstarted by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS S&T)
ben_vulpes: those nasty out-of-country hardware providers selling on amazon and etc are being so naughty
Framedragger: mornin'
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568065 << i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568062 explains it - there are no 'other rounds'. before-sunrise, and after-sunrise only. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568036 << what other rounds ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w
Framedragger: so the conflict thing is, i suppose, in principle settled in my mind.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568229 << ikr - and yes any downloaded-from-google-and-imported lib can do this... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 03:57 mircea_popescu: bwahaha i just for the first time read about the whole javascript native prototype reset thing. Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;} srsly ?
Framedragger: i also liked the part where if javascript is given a file and it doesn't recognize if it's a js file, it'll just try to eval it, for good measure, in case it is js.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568292 << yes well, i make no claim to have invented a new kind of cunt. still using the same one everyone else uses, over here. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 04:55 ben_vulpes: i thought this was kindergarten fuckatronix
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568306 << this is rank nonsense. westian womenz wanna be fucked ; arab runts want to fuck em ; western men want to watch the whole thing on hbo / maaaaybe film it on their phone if there's beer and not too bad traffic. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 07:07 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly.
mircea_popescu: match made in heaven, there'll be no war.
mircea_popescu: "oh no mp, you got it all wrong" "sure, sure. tell me you'd crack the skull of some dude fucking your friendzone. right now." "uh." "then sit down."
mircea_popescu: islam has won the fitness race ; chiefly because the "swj" replacement for "fundamentalist christian" is SO FUCKING UNFIT, even islam has a chance. as well as gasteropodes and other dead branches that forgot to die out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568310 << and yet he writes on medium. the mind boggles. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 07:16 pete_dushenski: (ftr 'iyi' is talebism - http://archive.is/dllGv)
mircea_popescu: that said, pretty great article.
Framedragger: already sent to some 'trump is evil' friends
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty impressed at how well it goes with http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
mircea_popescu: almost as if we shared talking points on a napkin. which we haven't, but there it is. the iyi/jews in question'd be excused if they thought "massive right wing conspiracy", because hey.
mircea_popescu: HOW ELSE could you POSSIBLY get such coherence!!1
mircea_popescu: and since taleb's twitter is full of "simpson's paradox", let's add it to the record. it is universally the case that low birth weight is a predictor of infant mortality. this has been observed across centuries and across cultures/geographies. even if the exact value that contitutes "low birth weight" varies, the effects of the classification are ubiquitous.
mircea_popescu: once people become interested in smoking, it was observed that smoking mothers' babies of normal weight fare no better or worse than the general population ; whereas smoking mothers' babies of low weigh fare ~significantly~ better than the general population (of low birth weight babies).
mircea_popescu: on the basis of this much statistics, one could conclude (wrongly) that smoking in the mother is protective for the neonate.
mircea_popescu: however, ignoring the distinction, one can also make the observation that children born to smoking mothers fare significantly worse than the general population.
mircea_popescu: the reason for this apparent paradox ("how can kids do ok in A and better in B yet still do worse in A+B ?!) is that smoking CAUSES low birth weight ; but there are also other causes of low birth weight which also have a much more severe impact on life/survival expectancy than smoking.
mircea_popescu: because low weight babies have much poorer prospects than normal babies, and because smoking mothers cause a significant migration of their babies from normal to low weight, they "drown out" the other causes, getting apparent "better" prognosis (hey, the kid's not afflicted by trisomy with a 90% death before puberty prognosis ; but merely by smoking mom, with a 1% death before puberty prognosis)
mircea_popescu: and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!"
mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568342 << why not the parsimonious hypothesis -- they do it for the easy moneyz, bankrupt the idiot 'goys', not as if they were people etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 14:19 mircea_popescu: and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!"
asciilifeform: why does a flea drink blood.
mircea_popescu: i think parsimonious hypothesis here is they stupid
asciilifeform: flea ain't esp. clever either. but he knows how to flea.
mircea_popescu: note that it's not "why does flea drink blood", it's "why does mosquito female eschew nectar diet which WOULD allow it to deliver eggs that are viable ; and instead risk its life trying to suck blood out of people, which results in 100% mortality in plenty of cases".
mircea_popescu: and the conclusion "because it's fucking dumb" is perfectly reasonable.
mircea_popescu: that its mechanisms "think" bloodsucking pays has no bearings whatsoever on the reality of the matter. as it happens - it doesn't pay.
asciilifeform: spam also dun pay
mircea_popescu: and mosquitoes are very good exemplars for jews in this discussion - it has been my long held view they must be exterminated, as a species, permanently, as a minimal requirement of calling the human species civilised. and they ARE being exterminated. we will die in a world with no mosquitoes.
asciilifeform: yet it lives.
mircea_popescu: it dun live like it used to, alfie.
asciilifeform: maybe after this hellhole i live in is finally thermonuked
mircea_popescu: if it takes glassing washington, i'm in line to press the button.
asciilifeform: re the smoke babies, there was another well-known instance of the effect -- the incident with the steel helmet of ww1 britain
mircea_popescu: it's ubiquitous, really. kind-of why "segmentation" is so beloved by the garglers of my week-old cum (who prefer to call themselves "web analytics experts").
asciilifeform: ( their introduction led to massive apparent increase in brain injury. which was really reduction in concussion deaths... )
mircea_popescu: aha.\
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m63cg/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: amateur statisticians (such as i dunno, horse bettors, fantasy league players etc) constantly run into this problem where an entity outperforms another two years running but not the two years together.
mircea_popescu: it's really not that far removed from human experience as to excuse ignorance. except of course the idle are idle, not as a label but as a thing, and so never encountered anything in their life.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/muHDu << j000z double down
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied by now they're actually bereft of language/thinking skills, so they'll simply carry on being jews until we gut them.
mircea_popescu: (in the case of the global warming scam - the whole moneygrubbing angle is particularly defensible. sure, the jews themselves may be stupid. but the people who benefit from this particular fraud aren't generally.)
mircea_popescu: and in other heights of improbability, http://68.media.tumblr.com/af7b548abd183d84bd67d503a2da6a79/tumblr_mrjaeyFe2N1ria8qho1_1280.jpg
phf: huh, there's a protest outside my window
phf: literally all the usual suspects
shinohai: Pour boiling oil on them phf
Framedragger: 'GO TO WORK'
phf: well, it's 50 people, but, there's at least two police cars on each intersection coming up and a helicopter
phf: specifically i can count 8 cop cars just oustide my window, 2 umarked cars with blinkers, sirens from elsewhere, an EMS car in the distance, and a helicopter somewhere very nearby
phf: there's some irony in the current chant being "no more hate"
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they ~are~ at 'work', herr soros is payin'
asciilifeform: (though apparently only herders are paid, i showed up to one of these, 0 pay was offered)
Framedragger: :(
mircea_popescu: so just about more cops than "protesters"
mircea_popescu: in everyday lulz, http://archive.is/sOYhZ
mircea_popescu: also perhaps of interest in some circles, apparently there's such a thing as https://sovietmen.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/tiziana-catone/
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/viabtc-enters-contract-mining-scamspace/ << Qntra - ViaBTC Enters Contract Mining Scamspace
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: heya mod6
mod6: how goes today?
shinohai: not bad here u
mod6: nb
Framedragger: curious: when looking at dns round robin, i found out that some nameservers - of those who do round robin, i.e. permuting list of say dns A records - sometimes do not shuffle them around, if dig'd in quick succession.
Framedragger: can this be used to approximate the frequency of dns requests to that nameserver? :p
Framedragger: the working assumption would be that if necessary does permute, it will necessarily set a new order for each request to follow. dangerous assumption, sure.
trinque: sounds like it calls for reading some DNS server code.
Framedragger: and here i thought i could exploit other people's knowledge :p
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/WdGO3 << Farmers having some fertilizer run off bad. Nutcases intentionally dumping fertilizer into the ocean good.
Framedragger: yes indeed..
Framedragger: s/necessary// ^
trinque: Framedragger: https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob_plain;f=bin/named/lwdgrbn.c;hb=38cc2d14e218e536e0102fa70deef99461354232 << this looks to be where roundrobin is handled in bind's named.
mircea_popescu: by and large extant dns is a large pile of dried crap
asciilifeform: it needs only two things, petrol, and match.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh you can't even imagine how many 'additional' data fields domain needs to be actually usable by current dns clients. everything from start of authority to multiple TTLs etc. and that's the saner part of things...
Framedragger: trinque: thank you! will check.
trinque: bring your gas mask
Framedragger: yeah....
mircea_popescu: why does everyone just assume i don't know what i'm talking about. just because i sound like a clueless grandfather doesn't mean i am one omygerd.
Framedragger: array resizing and network code all in one place. no wonder buffer exploitation bugs aplenty
BingoBoingo: How sure are you that you aren't a grandfather, at least biologically...
Framedragger: BingoBoingo exactly
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo guesses about 70-80% confident
BingoBoingo: In other OMG look at the butthurt that some dude is dating a 50 year old woman https://archive.is/xzuuc
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is tony bennett ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sorta a poor man's Sinatra. Vegas singer
mircea_popescu: mmkay.
mircea_popescu: and what the fuck is the problem again ? these people never heard of whore dynasties ?
mircea_popescu has ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS had young women introduced by old friends with the equivalent of "and this is my daughter. she's old enough now."
Framedragger: (..and of course bind has at least one "basically completely undocumented" config option, "order random_1", which modifies the round robin process, or the eventual reply. "didn't you get the memo, peter?")
BingoBoingo: But seriously, the butthurt "Y u no interested in 90 year old women!"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked them anything bejaysus
mircea_popescu: "i want my peas not to touch!!!1" "if i turn around and there's any peas on the fucking plate they'll touch your rectum directly."
mircea_popescu: "traitor to your generation" ? holy shit.
mircea_popescu: and heather schwedel is, predictably, a woman that obviously never worked out.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/vTBRH << back in 2009, ie 30lbs ago.
asciilifeform: who the hell is that
asciilifeform: since when do briquets for oven have names.
mircea_popescu: random nobody from the slate jewish tribe.
BingoBoingo: 2016-2009=7, so more probably 70-90 pounds ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hard to fatten well on journalism diet of ramen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the land of poverty syrop, marvels are possible
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You haven't seen how cheaply walmart sells "cookies"
mircea_popescu: hm.
BingoBoingo: Ramen is expensive compared to "deserts"
shinohai eats some small nondescript tubers ramen
mircea_popescu: "Still, she admires those who take great risks for quick wealth. She talks glowingly about the Canadian customers who made a fortune through credit card fraud before escaping to Cambodia. Her eyes shine dreamily at remembrance of that criminal cock." << incidentally, by the latest reports other than you suckers playing by the books, the population of people who smartened out and took off is so drastically increasing, they m
mircea_popescu: ake upwards of HALF of all the rich barangs in most traditional prositution dens of asia.
mircea_popescu: china doesn't give a shit, and i somehow don't see nato getting its balls brassed enough to go bomb vietnam again
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: for every schmuck hoping tindr will deliver.
BingoBoingo: Hey, I just applied to literally all of the appointable positions outside of national security.
mircea_popescu: better than naughting.
Framedragger: trinque: oh god i need to delve into a longer and madder thing it seems https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob;f=lib/dns/resolver.c;h=74d82ae1076a80dc8edf8964b295b40d93b735d1;hb=4e8fe357a619ae2b789b15df7e3d6abf782b4a71 - goodtimes
asciilifeform: Framedragger: that 1 file is almost longer than ALL OF TRB
asciilifeform: holy SHIT
mircea_popescu: no it's needed because dns is such a special thing.
Framedragger: i also like such Brussels born comments as
Framedragger: A negative response has a SOA record (Type 2)
Framedragger: 5515 * and a optional NS RRset (Type 1) or it has neither
Framedragger: 5516 * a SOA or a NS RRset (Type 3, handled above) or
Framedragger: 5517 * rcode is NXDOMAIN (handled above) in which case
Framedragger: 5518 * the NS RRset is allowed (Type 4).
mircea_popescu: not such a terrible scheme.
asciilifeform: the extended contemplation of ~using~ that thing in some future edifice here has got to be a running joke, which asciilifeform isn't in on..
mircea_popescu: stop the hate.
shinohai: http://archive.is/kvhBv <<< in hoaxtoshi lulz
mircea_popescu: lol someone still asks usgavin something ?
asciilifeform: very talkative corpse
mircea_popescu: IF this happens, it's definitely along the lines of "what the fuck are you still doing here, i told you we have a no bums policy"
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/hKYvd << if you ever wondered what that marginal azn chick was thinking during campus hookup night.
mircea_popescu: bonus "i am a stereotype" points : her name is megan and she's read enough tlp to try for "maggie"
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxZO4GxXAAA_JRL.jpg <<< trump face made from crying snowflakes
mircea_popescu: ooo that's glorious. where's the full res thing ?
shinohai looks
mats: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/royal-navy-to-lose-anti-ship-missiles-and-be-left-only-with-guns
mats: >Naval sources said the decision was “like Nelson deciding to get rid of his cannons and go back to muskets” lul
mats: also, the offensive against Raqqa has been going on for about a week
BingoBoingo: mats: You apply for any presidential appointments in the Trumpreich yet?
mats: no lol
BingoBoingo: Why not? AN opportiniTIT like this arises only every 8 years.
BingoBoingo: Also anyone recall the current url for mpex web?
shinohai: mpex.site last time I checked
shinohai: and .... expired
mats: http://mpex.biz http://mpex.co http://mpex.re http://mpex.site are all expired
mats: BingoBoingo: i gave up my aspirations for public service years ago
pete_dushenski: mpex missingness probably related to the issues with internetbs.net not accepting btc anymore
pete_dushenski: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5188.0, vol: 4111687.79210000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5188.0
mats: if i ever serve again, it'd prob be in a firefighting dept or a civilian SAR unit
mats: no interest in being a bureaucrat or working for some glazed donut
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: "force farmers to plan crops" << plant ? not sure that sucking usg.dole teet qualifies as planning.
pete_dushenski hasn't heard of anthrax band
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo try say http://mpex.biz/ ?
mircea_popescu: o hey lol. domain lulz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, use local dns will work. i guess ima put more domains.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ? << for sure
mircea_popescu: i ended up with a pile of old records. ahhh the 80s
mod6: nice
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pete_dushenski and other web-facing interested parties : i'll have some more domains linked this week. in the meanwhile, editing your /etc/hosts to correctly allocate the domain names will fix your problem.
shinohai: I've decided this is the time to follow in phf's footsteps and curate a hosts file for all tmsr sites
pete_dushenski: cheers :)
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
mircea_popescu: mats it dun look like the "two months" were anything but the bitcoin "two weeks" does it.
mod6: shinohai: good call
mats: yes, i want a refund
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, why don't you do mpex.trilema.com ? or would that link the two explicitly and hence would not be favourable?
mircea_popescu: looks altogether more likely it's never actually getting conquered. if they last out the 70 days that's that for "peacekeeping" bs there.
Framedragger: (if no trust in domains in the first place, what difference if 2nd level or 3rd level)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well cuz what sense would it make ? even leaving aside i'm not all that sold on "subdomains"
Framedragger: trilema.com does not seem to expire
Framedragger: "only a matter of time", i guess
mircea_popescu: trilema.com is also directed to the general public.
Framedragger: right.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/xU2lc << for german readers. basically, arabic-german interpreter lady plays fly on the wall, aghast to learn that moslems hate germans / xtians and have every intention of supplanting their hosts with uber-fecundity, whether filmed on hbo or not, whether there's beer or not, whether traffic is bad or not.
pete_dushenski: xtianity's best defense against islam at this point would appear to be... mormons. go joseph!
pete_dushenski wouldn't bet on mormon boys against raft-mongrels.
ben_vulpes: "The Times reported that Mr. Trump had taken calls from the leaders of Egypt, Israel, Russia and Britain, but said they had been conducted haphazardly and without State Department briefings that traditionally guide conversations with foreign leaders."
ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/donald-trump-administration-twitter.html
ben_vulpes: "omg ourrelephancy!"
mircea_popescu: eh, "christians" is a thing like "wedding" is a thing.
mircea_popescu: too late for that party.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the great before ranch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPYlkDw-R3E
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxXMuoTVIAAhlNm.jpg <<< lolerz
mod6: :D
ben_vulpes: her job is just beginning!
ben_vulpes: consider the decades of speeches and /books/
ben_vulpes: the kids aren't even in high school yet!
ben_vulpes: (i don't actually know that)
mircea_popescu: i think they're just about college age
ben_vulpes: !!rated vvande
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated vvande 1 at 2016/11/16 22:57:18 << new blood