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asciilifeform: similar story to the amd keys thing.
brazilish: nice to see that with AMD there is something more recent than 2009 btw
BingoBoingo: You can also go more recent if you stick with AMD
swiftgeek: asciilifeform: remember that recent AMD chipset from amdflaws?
asciilifeform: just like we found with the amd fritz
BingoBoingo: https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/06/26/599-softiron-overdrive-1000-server-is-powered-by-amd-opteron-a1100-64-bit-arm-processor/ && https://archive.is/CVwS3 << Not sure if actually sold anywhere or vaporware
asciilifeform: which are ~100% documented in amd's datashits
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier than the Qntra server.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 <- my only slight dislike of the amd fx is precisely higher power consumption & warming up; while fx 8350s is indeed not that bad on this account, it still consumes more than opteron 6376 afaik☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
asciilifeform: ( in case anybody forgot, this is the box where you can stuff a few MB of useful payload straight into bios. which in turn is the last blobless amd build, takes payload straight in makefile )
asciilifeform: won't buy post-2011 amd either.
asciilifeform: btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690☝︎
laplinker: than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm
asciilifeform: laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes
laplinker: oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 << '9000' places to learn. e.g. the amd manual. or just about any www page on subj. or there's now even an apress b00k, iirc 'low-level programming', that's ~ok . or , or☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> a circa 2008 box, for >8x what i paid for a dulap-class opteron cum ssd raid << Has two of last year's http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-EPYC%207251.html and 128 GB of RAM, I am asking for a list but if you could forward some spec'd by alf suggestions it could be helpful.
trinque: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option << totally unrelated, pay no attention
a111: Logged on 2016-10-14 16:10 kmalkki: apu2 (with AMD PSP) does respond properly to JTAG IDCODE
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2018/Jan/12 >> ahahahahahaha the amd fritz chip, apparently finally killed
asciilifeform: ( does 0 on pre-obummer amd, i will add )
asciilifeform: re news, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762316 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763152 >> culmination , https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability << embargo leaked☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762316 << Perhaps in March after more crashing, S.NSA can fab a MIPs board not too uncompetitive with the "patched" AMD/Intelium☝︎
asciilifeform: recent AMD CPU.'
asciilifeform: amd g-series, btw
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform will reveal that he found a 'new' (to him) and very spiffy type of amd g-series box , suitable for trb and similar
mircea_popescu: and i'll insist and underline that no, can not be the case these are people. if i can emulate 10k of them on a stock amd, they're not people, they're 1/10k of a stock amd.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ah sorry my bad, week/month nm << Number is strictly what the spot on the rack costs. Prototype "Basic Box" (AMD A8 5545 machine) should be arriving today for evaluation.
asciilifeform: for only slightly higher cost you get those amd g-series boxen ( e.g. 'pcengines' )
BingoBoingo considering quad core AMD A8-5545 blade server offering, listing as "Modest Blade"
BingoBoingo: Prolly not going that small. Qntra may get own box E350 or similar AMD
asciilifeform: don't buy intel. or amd made in 2011 and after.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727102 << I am still looking for both higher density pcengines apartments as well as beefier AMD boards☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways consider the case of 100 AMD G boards colo'd in a 4U case. How much speed for them?
asciilifeform: the low-wattage amd champ, incidentally, is the g-series ( as in 'pcengines', 'gizmo', and other sageprobetronic boards ) -- whole box pulls 10-20w
mircea_popescu: ftr, amd actually does the ecc in the chip itself.
mircea_popescu: (amd produced different same chips, for dcs and for desktops. significant power diff)
mircea_popescu: and also, any amd fx 9500 for eg, in U config ?
asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically they still have the port, it just dun work without amd magic key
mircea_popescu: in any case the amd cpu i bought was underpriced both at list price and at 2nd hand price. cuz i sure as fuck ain'\t making one in my laundry room out of lint and wall shavings for less than a few hundred.
mircea_popescu: so then 1, for phuctor, 1tb item ; 1 for special purpose amd, as much as it can carry, and 2 run of the mill, what's to be found at a decent price.
asciilifeform: can even have old amd, but with the expected horsepower hit ( and afaik none were made that ate >256G )
asciilifeform: ( and post-'09 amd . )
asciilifeform: there's NO reason to emulate, e.g., amd am2900, for all time.
asciilifeform: ideally would end with the 'good parts' -- the genera envir -- without the rubbish ( the byzantine hacks around specific amd alu chip quirks, the multitude of special purpose busses, the constricted addrspace )
phf: i wasn't a rich imperialist at the time, but freebsd was quite pleasant on a 300mhz amd, i used it as main os for a long time, until, yeah, 2002 or so. this is also when i switched to mac os x, which was perhaps a mistake. i suspect these people made their own deals with devil
asciilifeform: ( recall, current amd is locked into pantsuitbios )
mircea_popescu: but basically FT amd's will fit into your purpose here.
mircea_popescu: remember when amd would never have dared stopping contributing to coreboot because "public opinion" ?
mircea_popescu: so no, amd hasn't released.
mircea_popescu: by our, not amd's decision.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if amd fritz chip uses bad crypto and we derive the key, has amd thereby "Released to the public" ? no such thing happened.
asciilifeform: link was re amd's magic key cpu-integrated fritz chip, and how reddit et al 'protested', and reply was - unsurprisingly - 'fuck off'
asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07/19/1459244/amd-has-no-plans-to-release-psp-code
asciilifeform: about the same time as when amd stopped contributing to 'coreboot'
asciilifeform: the demise of sage co. is imho an interesting thing. afaik amd very specifically killed it -- locked the debug port, as explained in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
asciilifeform: no matter how crippled ( see amd thread from september )
asciilifeform: ( 'fg plugged into usb hub powered from wall 5v plug, amd crapteron 7.7ghz running shithead linux' etc
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.
asciilifeform: ^ reads ~100% exactly like asciilifeform's correspondence with intel and amd.
asciilifeform: but separate issue is that amd discontinued the sage-able G-series cpu.
asciilifeform: i even put the amd pubkeys in phuctor, recall.
asciilifeform: amd g-series has been properly crippled, as of 2y ago.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:04 asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
gizmolearner: docs say FFF0 - http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/24593.pdf
asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
asciilifeform: 2 has bloblocked amd and -- as if this weren't enough -- intel (yes) nic.
Framedragger: amd dropped coreboot support in (iirc) 2013 *because* it deemed it not profitable. impact to business probably ~0.
Framedragger: amd "kinda said" they may release full src for coreboot et al., but obvs no dice yet
asciilifeform: and on amd also very similar
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:05 mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630579 << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ;)
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630579 << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ;)☝︎
trinque: re: musl and X, you have to tell it in xorg.conf what order to load modules in. had this for intel, but don't know the proper incantation yet for amd/ati
trinque: I put one of those new AMD chip boxes together today; no moar thinputers.
CompanionCube wonders what the best key(s) to get phuctored would be. USG/NSA''s? Intel/AMD's signing keys?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where exactly does it work reliably. << AMD E350 board works splendidly
asciilifeform: i thought about getting one with amd g-series -- and was at the point of seriously attempting it when the latter began to show signs of death
phf: https://www.techpowerup.com/231536/amd-ryzen-machine-crashes-to-a-sequence-of-fma3-instructions
mircea_popescu: nice alternative to the linux-on-amd freezeout
mircea_popescu: amd couldn't hire a new set.
asciilifeform: amd hired the designers away
mircea_popescu: unless amd fixes its shit
a111: Logged on 2017-02-23 03:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd.
asciilifeform: http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/cpu-development/x86-open64-compiler-suite << still has (what purports to be) the circa-2013 tarball.
asciilifeform: my sageprobe setup (amd g-series mobo, probe, cables, lcd, keyboardmouse) fits in briefcase. and with plenty of room to spare (for, e.g., battery if i ever put one)
ben_vulpes: looking forward to the amd hike
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.