tmsr - Log 2020-03-10

jfw: mp_en_viaje: do you have a specific goal in mind for Thursday's wallet work? Do you also want to use the online part (I would imagine so but could technically be done without)? If so, note that it takes about a day to scan the present blockchain once fed the address(es) of interest, and requires a TRB node. If you wish to also send the rawtx using it, as would be most proper, we'll also need that

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: In preparation of our next attempt at getting this project done, I've been going through my faff-fest from last time.. and trying to figure out how we should pick back up

ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.

lobbes: Then I realized that all that insanity was indeed because I was needlessly translating all kinds of strings across boundaries. I think the cleanest way to do this historical (May 28, 2016 to Now) log backfill is if I just provide you a text file in the same format as your "logstory.txt" you reference in this comment

lobbes: Since you already have that script working, I figure we may as well use it for this piece. All my log history is in a Postgres database though, so I need to "convert" my data at least once. Would you be able to send me a sample of that logstory.txt?

lobbes: Also, are you good for tomorrow night or were you looking for doing this during the day? I'm slaving in the mines tomorrow but my night is clear. If need be I may be able to weasel a work-from-home day though, so I'll check back when I wake up tomorrow

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/03/jury-hangs-after-prosecution-fails-to-make-cia-vault-7-case/ << Qntra -- Jury Hangs After Prosecution Fails To Make CIA "Vault 7" Case

diana_coman: what a great #o log to start the day to! BingoBoingo draft looks good, I'd probably just add a comma after "to take shape"; and congrats to jfw on a straight-to-the-point quote!

bvt: diana_coman: i got it, the preview of how it will look like now: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=iEDJ

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/03/cross-process-cache-sidechannel-found-in-recent-amd-processors/ << Qntra -- Cross Process Cache Sidechannel Found In Recent AMD Processors

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/03/as-tmsr-os-project-gains-momentum-it-begins-leaving-legacy-project-devs-behind/ << Qntra -- As TMSR OS Project Gains Momentum It Begins Leaving Legacy Project Devs Behind

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959219 << the functioning i'm looking for is that given some inputs (such as a privkey and txids) your program spits out a tx as is broadcast on the network.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:26:10 jfw: mp_en_viaje: do you have a specific goal in mind for Thursday's wallet work? Do you also want to use the online part (I would imagine so but could technically be done without)? If so, note that it takes about a day to scan the present blockchain once fed the address(es) of interest, and requires a TRB node. If you wish to also send the rawtx using it, as would be most proper, we'll also need that

mp_en_viaje: if this isn't what it does, i suspect i might deeply misunderstand wtf it actually does.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:28 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: In preparation of our next attempt at getting this project done, I've been going through my faff-fest from last time.. and trying to figure out how we should pick back up

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:45 lobbes: Also, are you good for tomorrow night or were you looking for doing this during the day? I'm slaving in the mines tomorrow but my night is clear. If need be I may be able to weasel a work-from-home day though, so I'll check back when I wake up tomorrow

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-10#1020533 << isn't selecting for me either. the reason is that the text isn't "that, Well" but "that. <a href=blabla>Well". select dun work well with a href boundaries.

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-10 dorion: BingoBoingo, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014?b=that.%20Well..&e=able#select isn't selecting for me.

billymg: i've got a temporary internet solution now as well (cellular LTE via Movistar) as we work on getting the real thing

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: spyked: well, no boost dep is certainly a gain; and yeah, I'm sure that the earlier the version the less of a monster it is; that being said, I'm either really getting old or something but I can hardly see the point of >10k LOC for what can be done precisely as wanted through <1k lines of cmd line tools, huh.

mp_en_viaje: billymg, talk to hanbot, she found some pretty cool radio people that sold me a backup thing really fucking solid.

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: ftr re clock, my scripts don't bother with "end of task" - there's no end to anything, only start of next thing whether that's break or whatever; since time is spent anyway, the start of a new thing is by definition the end of the previous.

billymg: mp_en_viaje: yup, she put us in touch with american data which has been the best lead so far http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2020-03-03#1001505

ossabot: (trilema-hanbot) 2020-03-03 billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2020-02-08#1001053 << update: my girl has been corresponding with american data through this contact and they are now putting together a proposal for a supposedly dedicated 10/10 connection at $150 a month (proposal will be to determine cost/timeline of install)

billymg: yeah, compared to the ~$375 / mo for Kolbi's enterprise fiber offering it seemed like a good deal

billymg: so will be at my expense. whaack talked to one of their customer support agents who didn't really know what it would cost but thought roughly $2-5k for the laying of the cable

billymg: i then followed up with one of their technicians who visited the property and he said it was doable and we just need to go through the RFP / proposal process

mp_en_viaje: from experience the best way these things go is if a large-ish group of landowners around a geographically reasonable node point ask them for it. maybe see if your neighbours wanna join ?

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:40:11 mp_en_viaje: in fact optic fiber infrastructure does help land value.

billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959265 << that's a good idea, and gives me a chance to meet the neighbors

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:39:58 mp_en_viaje: from experience the best way these things go is if a large-ish group of landowners around a geographically reasonable node point ask them for it. maybe see if your neighbours wanna join ?

mp_en_viaje: so you got a perfect in, don't even need whaack 's proverbial gift basket. just go knocking on doors explain what you're tying to do, organize a fiber club

mp_en_viaje: internet is shockingly crappy in everman's costa rica ; especially after muh infinitybw euro interfaces.

billymg wonders if it would be rude to present this ask to neighbors on first introduction..

mp_en_viaje: if you get it going, can defo be on your sale list. "none of those crappy 5kbps netlinks, we here have fiber. come do some work undisturbed while the sluts splash in the pool", sell to execs.

billymg: their support / commitment to subscribe to fiber (the collecting signatures bit)

mp_en_viaje: that can be follow-up. "hi, i got this property right next to yours, and we're thinking of pushing the x to draw optic fiber close. would this be something you'd like to get into ?"

billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959276 << this for sure. almost lost business of a tour group that wanted to book all the units for two weeks in late march because no decent internet (ended up losing the business because zomg coronavirus instead)

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:44:07 mp_en_viaje: if you get it going, can defo be on your sale list. "none of those crappy 5kbps netlinks, we here have fiber. come do some work undisturbed while the sluts splash in the pool", sell to execs.

mp_en_viaje: "even if you don't personally use the internet, it's like having electricity. you can go a whole life without electricity too! but from experience, a) you won't once it's there ; and moreover b) if you ever sell, it sells for more."

mp_en_viaje: find out what sorta troglodytes you livr with in any case, ie whether they'll shoot any roamning dogs for instance.

mp_en_viaje: billymg, fucktards, how the fuck are they getting coronavirus in nicoya, from what, the cows ?

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020423 << let's not get silly, since when is approximate spelling a virtue!

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: jfw: the minds that discard the message because of less than perfect spelling though might be better off enjoying their fence.

billymg: their first request was, get this, empty the pool because we don't want the risk of the kids (college) drowning

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020424 << i dunno how much you recall of the 90s, ie back when mailing lists was a thing ; but almost nobody will even read some agitated flailing of some dude who subbed to post it.

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 dorion: jfw you subscribe to it first so you can then reply ? is that how it works ?

billymg: probably, i'm interfacing through a nice and capable tico who's been organizing these groups of americans and doing business with this property / previous owner for years now

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: eh, read the whole, approx spelling is not a virtue, no; neither is a disqualifier esp online

mp_en_viaje: billymg, ah. so build your backchannel with him. "wtf is this about, can you explain it to me ? i spend money to build pool so they have fun, they want it epty ?!"

mp_en_viaje: billymg, if the concept is "drunk kid wanders in at night", which is what seems the least-dumb construction available, it's still indeed the case empty pool more dangerous.

billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, the conversation with the tico was productive, he was also throwing up his hands in disbelief at their request. i coached him into telling them to walk after realizing they really have no other options (other hotels aren't gonna empty pools / don't have lifeguards on duty, and tour group dun have the budget themselves to hire the lifeguard)

billymg: he said he's never heard of this before, in his years of organizing these visits. but it was some "new policy" to "eliminate risk"

mp_en_viaje: dumb cows sitting on their cheesy taco all day long coming up with "standards"

billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, we had them explain it. and it was just: need lifeguard on duty or else no swimming. didn't press them enough re: dangers of empty pool because by then they had backed down

mp_en_viaje: i wonder when they're gonna start pestering bars, "we want to come and spittle in a beerbotle for three hours, but you gotta have driver."

mp_en_viaje: "bitch, you want ME to designate your driver for you ?" "yes, we're really awkward."

billymg: that's what i was telling the local: they are making demands without willing to pay. if they want lifeguard on duty they'll be at a luxury resort paying 5x

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: My plan is to start next week with creating a 'gypsy code signing' key then I suppose get the list together and into some kind of order.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020476 << this is quite how this is intended to work. havign a "use" and a "read" key perfectly sensible

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: I think it's the right sort of bother: given all the code I ~have~ read or written it seems an important distinction as far as which category someone chooses to trust from me.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020491 << iirc it was unrelated, dudes were just squatting the place with their spaghetti-crapola.

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: ah there was also Eucrypt, part of which was a liberation of gcrypt from Werner Koch & co. right?

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020492 << two things. in the positive, the sort of non-improvements like "supporting unicode" ; discussion with such a moron recently in trilema. in the negative, actually adding useful things that the pantsuit do not add, for whatever reason ("other priorities", "hateful to protected groups", "illegal", whatever nonsense).

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 BingoBoingo: jfw dorion: What does it mean that these things have been liberated? What have they been saved from?

mp_en_viaje: they're liberated from having Brawndo poured on top "because it's what plants need", and they're also liberated from NOT having water poured on top, because "the secretary of energy" ahs "never seen no plants grow out of no toilet."

mp_en_viaje is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?

mp_en_viaje leaves off reading #ossasepia ; i guess in principle there's nothing all that wrong with it.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i guess you're stuck with a much larger chunk than originally contemplated, unexpectedly enough.

mp_en_viaje: on the other hand, it doth offer quite the neat solution to the "wtf are you going to do with that lordship thing THIS time" conundrum.

jfw: mp_en_viaje: does the idiot list include me this time? I could try to be more mindful of when a discussion should be moved or started here

jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959234 - this is approximately what it does; the delta is that a bit more than just txids is required.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:26:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959219 << the functioning i'm looking for is that given some inputs (such as a privkey and txids) your program spits out a tx as is broadcast on the network.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:23:21 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i guess you're stuck with a much larger chunk than originally contemplated, unexpectedly enough.

jfw: As best I could determine for my spec, this is an unavoidable consequence of the design of bitcoin transactions. Specifically what's required: address (as an identifier for the private key from a set of multiple; if you just have one then of course this is trivial); txid, output index within that tx, and value,

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).

jfw: The function of the 'online' code I referenced is to index this information and get it in the required format; you could instead use block explorers or whatever you please to get the information and it's none of my business. Or I could provide it, since you gave the address.

jfw: The consequences of its being incorrect are mostly that the tx won't validate - EXCEPT (I recently realized) for the value field, which could be used to subvert the fee and change computation.

jfw: As for the private key, since as I understand you want to spend from an existing one imported from some other wallet implementation, I should note that it can be imported in hex or WIF format, however, as in TRB, "compressed" keys aren't presently distinguished. It's possible to use them through some code tweaks, though it's presently all one or all the other.

jfw: **The consequences if it were incorrect are mostly that the tx wouldn't validate ...

dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959292 - I don't recall for not having been there, but makes sense they operate with a wot.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:50:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020424 << i dunno how much you recall of the 90s, ie back when mailing lists was a thing ; but almost nobody will even read some agitated flailing of some dude who subbed to post it.

dorion: hey trinque, minding the previous point and earlier point and questions, why don't we set a time to discuss where you're at and what the next steps are ?

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:12:20 mp_en_viaje: is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 09:13:50 mp_en_viaje: trinque, the problem with your proposal is that the article isn't yet loaded at that point.

ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-03 00:22:13 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958692 - you had said the next would how V enters the picture. Is that still the plan ? did you expand and roll the spec you had in mind in there ?

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959236 << I have the actual bot working, yes. However I do not any type of trustworthy process to backfill the historical logs. I mean, I *do* have my python mess from last time, but I'm proposing we forgo that mess this time

ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-10 15:18:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959221 << well, do you have the item currently working somewhere ?

lobbes: To lay it out, my convoluted process last time of getting you the data you needed was: 1) Pulling logs from my Postgres database to a flatfile 2) importing that into mp-wp's MySQL database 3) getting a mysql dump of *that* 4) altering said dump with e.g. sed escapes, etc. then finally 5) I give it to you

ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-02 16:41:29 mircea_popescu: ima try putting the first few in and we see (i hope for eg you do the sed 's%"%\\"%g' | sed 's%*%\&ast;%g' escapings, yes ?)

lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959239 << Okay. I'm about to run out for a quick errand but will be back in about an hour. I'll be free now for the rest of night afterwards

ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-10 15:20:02 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959225 << well, afternoon is what i had in mind, but yes, sure.