tmsr - Log 2019-06-05

BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien

auctionbot: Buy order # 1048 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours)

BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only

auctionbot: Buy order # 1049 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (119 hours)

auctionbot: Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 154mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours 33 mins)

stjohn_piano_2: New comment policy added for TMSR comments on Edgecase: http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_comment_on_edgecase_datafeed

stjohn_piano_2: New article: http://edgecase.net/articles/the_value_of_software

mircea_popescu: stjohn_piano_2, wtf areyou doing ?

mircea_popescu: and now, of course, has nothing to say. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: stjohn_piano_2, dude, fix your headcase. #1 if you're on enough to egostroke, you're on enough to answer a question ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and #2, this isn't somewhere for you to upload your autism. nobody gives a flying fuck about a marginally functional aspie and his worldview. start doing something useful so i don't have to send you down the chute ; stop picking at your bellybutton lint in any fucking case.

diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: note the dissonance in your approach - if you want reputation here, you need to do stuff that is useful here (there's a long list of such stuff that needs doing, pick, start on it and document as you go/ask politely and intelligently for help when you need it); onth if you want "reputation" for landing a programming job irl, dropping links here won't help (I doubt the Edgecase thing will help either but that's entirely up to

diana_coman: up to you*

mircea_popescu: n other news, living with slavegirls is pretty fun. you make a mess in some obscure corner of the house. any mess you want. then you wake up in the morning, and it's... gone.

mircea_popescu: kinda the polar opposite of living with potheads.

mircea_popescu: which is particularly funny, because... they used to be.

diana_coman: the funniest part sounds there the fact that from the other side therefore it's like...living with pothead? lolz

mircea_popescu: what is this equivalency magic!

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i'm playibng "cunt wars" (browser game). mesmerized assistence, "omg, she's fucking a sword ?" ... "taking it IN THE ASS ?!?!"

mircea_popescu: i'm all like... bitch, take notes.

auctionbot: Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 80mn from PeterL outbidding lobbes. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (108 hours 17 mins)

diana_coman: lol! oglaf-style game doesn't even sound bad ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917291 << loox like he plugged his bot in with his regged key from before ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 09:52 mircea_popescu: and now, of course, has nothing to say.

asciilifeform: i.e. even coarser error of pilotage than http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917292 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 09:52 mircea_popescu: stjohn_piano_2, dude, fix your headcase. #1 if you're on enough to egostroke, you're on enough to answer a question

mircea_popescu: nuts.

asciilifeform: going by the linked item, fella also ate just enuff logs to feed the cockroaches in his head, but not enuff to kill any, e.g.:

asciilifeform: 'Understand that all is transient, the software that you write will probably not last your lifetime, and that it is philosophically impossible to write perfect software. It will always eventually begin to die, once the environment shifts enough. '

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dunno if you've ever read http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/#selection-53.0-57.257 ; but it very much discusses the problem of the sort of numbnuts.

asciilifeform: i read the piece, but not seen film yet

asciilifeform: so possib. missing the exact connect

asciilifeform: i suspect it's an instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536618 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 23:49 asciilifeform: alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ?

mircea_popescu: not really tbh.

asciilifeform: then plox to expand ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it's just the endless story of young dicklet mccoolstuff.

asciilifeform: that'd be exactly this, then. 'move over, monastery, i have my own, mccool vows!'

mircea_popescu: i guess i misread it then!

asciilifeform: downthread transl. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 23:56 asciilifeform: shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'

asciilifeform brb:teatime

mircea_popescu: anyway, the concern's not so much the monastery. the problem is that stupidity is self-reinforcing. i never met an idiot AWARE he's being moronic. on the contrary -- as an amusing reversal of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505418 the very specific quality of idiocy / qualification for being an idiot is the ~being persuaded by idiocy~. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 14:07 mircea_popescu: the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental.

mircea_popescu: to escape it one'd have to realise WHAT precisely is so intrinsically wrong about being wrong ; but those who do so realise needn't, and those who need... well... lucifer is belabouring in hell under the (significant, btw) burden of the misapprehension of his own rightfullness.

asciilifeform recalls another mircea_popescu portrait of subj, http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/

mircea_popescu: come to think about it, 80% of trilema is in one way and another, "please adlai, stop being fucking adlai in the fucking head ; please kanzure, please this that and the other".

mircea_popescu: but whatever, the worthless 80% of the cuntspawn, pencildicks that are only fit for office droning are doing it 100% of the time -- everyone on steam is "oh, MUS THAVE DISCORD". why the fuck ? cuz tjat

mircea_popescu: that is what they live for -- to spread the empire of stupid. 100%, day in and day out, morning, night and all in between.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile the remnants, 0% fucking output, too busy dicking around with this fascinating lint & filth they found in their belly button. they'll bake you a pie, would you like pie baked out of their bellybutton lint maybe ?

mircea_popescu: or anything, they'll crochet you a car. or a bridge. would you like to read the bellybutton lint chronicles ?

asciilifeform: largely unrelatedly, but really oughta put in l0gz before it vanishes into the sands : the sim-mips find from other day, i read it when went to bed, and author had vehehery interesting 'muntz' with which he made it short as it was: he dun handle any faults other than page fault. e.g. garbage instruction, div0, etc. simply terminate the sim run. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 13:33 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/heathen-mips.tar.gz << for thread-completeness. (most of the ball is a sample linux disk, the sores itself is ~50kB)

mircea_popescu: just as fucking long as it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, they're a-for it.

mircea_popescu: tedious as helping snails fuck.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, might get terrible trying to debug a complex program

asciilifeform: not really. like any other sim, it has reg dump

mircea_popescu: and ram ?

asciilifeform: snapshot

mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a pain to debug.

asciilifeform: potentially. wouldn't want to live in a sim like this round the clock. but also had thought: so long as hypothetical controller for these logs the eggogs, it could easily be Right Thing for e.g. shared hoster.

asciilifeform: why exactly shouldn't yer session restart if you unhandled-div0.

mircea_popescu: possibly.

asciilifeform: notion here being, not all of the knobs on trad. physical box, are useful in a sim

asciilifeform: ( even aside from the moar obv. examples of what can be jettisoned, e.g. vga )

asciilifeform: the other 'seekrit of the dark arts' is that on recent (~decade) of x86 irons, the gap b/w cpu an' ram clock is such that if you have sim that sits down in l0 cache, the speed penalty may well be effectively 0

asciilifeform: cuz yer 'amd f' spends 95% of its cycles waiting for ram. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in popular, participation, and movement http://archive.is/lzY6G

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the torture room : 2048-bit primorial is product of 1st 233 primes, i.e. 2,3,5,...,1471 . not so many. theoretically it may be worth the sweat to include a multi-part primorial (i.e. ~set~ of gcd litmusen, each within the permitted width) . this gives correspondingly faster pre-mr sieving, at expense of coupla extra ln. of peh, per. at what point diminishing retu

asciilifeform: rn, presently do not know.

asciilifeform: hence the earlier dig ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 00:47 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in definitely-not-news, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/donnelly/index.html

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , other maffs folx ^ ☟︎

asciilifeform: for comparison : a 4096bit fz can hold product of 1st 418 primes ; a 8192bit fz -- the 1st 758 primes.

asciilifeform: ... unsurprisingly, vast majority of cycles of ch18 prime gen tape are spent on 'first shots' of m-r which return 'is composite'.

asciilifeform: these can never be abolished (or who would need m-r then...) but can be reduced, to some extent, as one particular shot of gcd is substantially cheaper than a single shot of m-r ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 19:52 asciilifeform: if the upstack note was unclear, btw -- you can do ~2500 4096b gcd's for the price of 1 4096b modexp.

asciilifeform: q is , to what extent makes sense to do this.

asciilifeform: in the didactic tape of ch18, i used strictly a single primorial litmus, with strictly 1st n primes that sit down in given width. but this is solely for simplicity of demo.

asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : 16384bit fz : 1st 1386 primes. (took ~10min to compute , on ' asciilifeform's standard tester iron ', using tape shown in ch18 )

asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rBk45/?raw=true << what you get, for the curious.

asciilifeform: ...elementarily, the procedure where gcd(N, P), where P is a primorial, can be turned into two: gcd(N, P1) and gcd(N, P2) , where P1 and P2 ea. have half the bitness of the larger P ( recall effect of multiplication on bitness . )

asciilifeform: ... so in principle if you wanted to litmus against the 1st 1386 primes, in a 2048bit primegen , you will need 8 gcd litmusen, each with a separate 2048b constant.

asciilifeform suspects 'diminishing return' is 'logarithmic' here. but not proved yet.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other lulz, putin published uncensored copy of molotov-ribbentrop pact .

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in upstack lulz, a 32768-bit primorial ! eats 63min 49s on tester, and holds 1st 2553 primes.

asciilifeform: output of subj, on the off-chance that anyone gives a damn. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( obv. this method is NOT fastest means to compute product of 1st n primes; it is not exactly secret what the first coupla mil primes are, and one could compute product in <1s , if taking what they are on faith. but illustrated method does not rely on 'magic #s' ) ☟︎

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Mocky: localbitcoins decides to turn away all their remaining legitimate users in. RIP LBC http://archive.is/kfpKC ☟︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: afaik was a scam for ages ☝︎☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 16:07 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/high-volume-california-localbitcoins-trader-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty/ << Qntra - High Volume California LocalBitcoins Trader Sentenced After Pleading Guilty

a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 20:58 ben_vulpes: motherfucker, localbitcoins uses multisig deposit addresses

a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 22:21 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for

asciilifeform: + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814511 etc ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 17:52 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money.

asciilifeform: arguably was never anyffin other than a 'decentralization-flavoured' honeypot.

BingoBoingo: It is and has been a sort of centralized thing.

Mocky: tru but you could answer cash ads without id, and which I did a lot of last year ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho really oughta be seen as same sort of item as 'uber' , 'airbnb', other 'inca will insert himself as middleman' schemes

BingoBoingo: Right

Mocky: more a platform to meet people and make own trades with them off-platform, formerly

BingoBoingo: Still plenty of ads there with off platform communications channels listed

asciilifeform: Mocky: also 'platform' to help folx atrophy their doing-without-inca-platform-ty muscles.

BingoBoingo: Mostly that

asciilifeform: sorta like how 'ebay' ~killed the secondhand-comps-for-cash market

asciilifeform has been to various 2ndhand irons shops (industrial, entirely disinterested in konsoomer rubbish) over past 20y, and erry single one , where talked to proprietor, 'i have this shop, but 90% of revenue is ebay' ☟︎

Mocky: im not a proponent of inca platform. would love to find traders in raleigh some other way, but how to find? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( typically they fold up and go straight-ebay when keeper wakes up to the fact that he pays rent for shop and sits in chair for mere 10% of his take... ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: if i had bottle of 'become mircea_popescu' elixir, i'd share with you a glass. but as it is e.g. asciilifeform was entirely unable to get hold of bitcoin at all for many yrs, when could not find anyone who had it + would not deal with goxisms ☟︎

asciilifeform: ... in 2010-11, i mined just short of single coin , on junkyard-salvaged fpgas ! until then, had none at all

asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect that even today, a very similar logic drives some substantial % of minerism

asciilifeform: i.e. where folx will pay considerably moar than the typical 'market worth' in fiatola, simply to avoid moving fiatola into any box overtly 'bitcoin-labeled'

asciilifeform: ( can laugh at this hypothesis if you like, but i can't think of how else to explain the still-palpable amt of minerism that happens ~outside~ of cn and other cheap-mains locales ) ☟︎

Mocky: low levels of numeracy

asciilifeform: dun think so, in this case.