tmsr - Log 2019-07-28

diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: pai cine are, are, si cine n-are citeodata are, cite-odata n-are. sa ti-o zic si-n engleza ?

mp_en_viaje: but anyway, re the kiev : it is REALLY GREAT to sit down in nice restaurant, order soup & fillet mignon and then leisurely coffee starting at... 3 in the morning.

mp_en_viaje: i currently know of no place in allegedly civilised world where this is quite so readily available.

mp_en_viaje: apparently the best thing for quality of life is absence of any consideration for human rights, complete corruption of the government and culturally embedded, societally recognized male inferiority.

mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: local dorks had even their dorkitude stolen from them.

mp_en_viaje: "even talking to them [about sex and such things] sounds stupid/vulgar" were exact quotes.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925167 - this part has this quality of "very real" for lack of how to better put it. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:31 mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT.

mp_en_viaje: as in, you've had the same experience with ukrainian girls ?!

diana_coman: lolz, not with ukrainian girls as such; but I knew girls/environments precisely like that

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes ☟︎☟︎

mp_en_viaje: previously purely theoretic item

mp_en_viaje: kinda also illustrates the problem with "how did i not notice " / "was right there under nose" etc -- yes, was. in a field so huge fulla haystacks so vast...

mp_en_viaje: is the guy in here ?

diana_coman: I rated him so he can up himself but he's still finding his bearings/being prudent about it

mp_en_viaje: shrysr, i suspect you misunderstand the meaning of the numbers.

mp_en_viaje: if i rate someone -10, i thereby communicate two different things : a) a negative and b) how likely do i deem this to be my final appraisal (10 out of 10, ie as far as i

mp_en_viaje: can tell a certainty)

mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change. ☟︎

diana_coman: that seems to be the hardest part for people to get; in fairness the actual meaning attached to a rating is up to the one giving the rating so ...

mp_en_viaje: this is ~one~ of the senses in which deedbot ratings, though saved as numeric, ARE NOT NUMBERS.

mp_en_viaje: adding them, dividing them, etcetera, is necessarily meaningless an activity, like adding any other letters.

mp_en_viaje: can you add A + D ?

mp_en_viaje: went through an entire article without reference to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which is fucken bizarre.

mp_en_viaje: shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ? ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: "Does the rating matter? No. You can rate anybody, and the ratings represent your ‘social graph’. Somebody with poor ratings from many different people should probably be treated with some caution, but even so these ratings cannot be used to ‘judge’ anybody in any meaningful or profound manner." << this in particular is utter fucking nonsense.

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in fucktarded wikipedia, "The subject of forced prostitution in the camps was alluded to in survivors' memoirs at least as early as 1972, when the first edition of Heinz Heger's book[5] was published. However, the subject remained largely taboo in studies of Nazism until the mid-1990s, when new publications by female researchers broke the silence."

mp_en_viaje: fancy that wonder, http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ came out 1964, nazi camp forced prostitution central thematic device.

mp_en_viaje: thanks god hilary clinton gave these morons their moron rights, wtf would the pre-existing world have done without their useless cuntheads.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925178 << quite interesting on several levels. (not only the find per se, but that it actually includes 300pg of raw spectra, holyfuq) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:08 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes

mp_en_viaje: fucking chemistry textbook all in one.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i have slaves

asciilifeform: i'ma guess they were looking for 'thermodynamics -- proposes, kinetics -- disposes' lol

mp_en_viaje: somebody's gotta make all the bombs and things, what can i say.

asciilifeform: diels-alder is how one makes gabriel_laddel fodder, tho, rather than strained nitrogens lol

mp_en_viaje: yes well.

asciilifeform sweated through 2y of organikism but not had occasion to use in battlefield.

mp_en_viaje: sooo... anyone recall this years-old trilema article wherein the dilemma of the scumbag was discussed -- either say something that's already been said a trillion times and not stand out, or else say something for the reason that it wasn't said before, and stand out.

mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ << sadly not in there.

asciilifeform: there was defo thread in the logs, where mp_en_viaje elaborated on subj. but for some reason cannot find in o(1)

mp_en_viaje: le suck

asciilifeform: but in other strange, asciilifeform was just about to shelve the 'm' thing when realized how to do tlb lookup in o(1) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( worx on all boxen that have 'sse2'. 2x faster , in principle, where 'sse3' but i haven't any )

asciilifeform: method is potentially applicable elsewhere (e.g. eulorism) so deserves a proper writeup

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925158 << Just to update: I've spent yesterday and the first half of today re-digging into the #eulora logotron coad, and I have come to the conclusion that I just want to burn it all and start over. (i.e. *I* don't even want to use it anymore) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:04 diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose

lobbes: Chiefly because in order to even install the heathen python coad, you need to first install and use "pip", which is dubious in its own right (see their 'mandatory code of conduct' for starters: https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/code-of-conduct/)

lobbes: And second; I would bet a lot of money that it will take me LESS time to simply code something fresh off of the republican logbot tree, then to deconstruct this frankenstein monster I created 4 years ago.

lobbes: So, I want to apologize to diana_coman personally for this delay. Rest assured I am on the case

diana_coman: lobbes: fine but what's your actual estimate on this something fresh off of the republican logbot tree?

mp_en_viaje: maybe somebody should drop a line to those pip schmucks, "here

mp_en_viaje: s your piece of shit being dropped out of production because of your pantsuit bullshit

mp_en_viaje: do they even have a channel ?

mp_en_viaje: apparently it's #pypa.

asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform was never able to get 'pip' to work at all ! ( tried many times when was writing phuctor )

mp_en_viaje: unsurprising ; pythonisms tend to consist of http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/18/euloran-blus-and-boos/ sorta useless scribble.

shrysr: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925199 thank you for explanation. I had seen your article earlier, but did not finish reading it, and did not refer to it in writing the post. However, I am revisiting the WoT and will revert with a better summary. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:31 mp_en_viaje: shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ?

asciilifeform: in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !! ☟︎

asciilifeform: will vpatch it anyway so perhaps other folx, w/ diff irons, can see whether 'still scam' or 'was scam in 2009' strictly

shrysr: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925193 why should one be less likely to change? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:29 mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change.

BingoBoingo: Re: local politics: "Van a querer etiquetarnos, pero cuantas más etiquetas nos pongan más orgullosamente blancos nos ponemos" << "orgullosamente blanco" is a thing people can be here

lobbes: diana_coman: I'll do some pencil-to-paper planning today and will try to have an educated estimate out by tonight (roughly 8hrs from now)

shrysr: BingoBoingo: re experience - would that also imply that it was 'short sighted' to rate diana_coman 10, after knowing her a couple of weeks, irrespective of the impact of her discussions ?

BingoBoingo: shrysr: Well, it depends. diana_coman does have a long history of public performance you could be rating off of. It could also be the case that down the line you recalibrate your scale.

feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440 << Loper OS -- M Performance Pessimizations! or: SSE is a Scam. ☟︎

diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4Ug9B/?raw=true

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i always suspected that 'fancy' x86 instrs were a sham (i.e. take just about as long, cuz really microcoded, as the classical alternative )

mp_en_viaje: shrysr, it's ~your~ estimation, you're the one that's supposed to know. in principle it could be said it's remarkable you're so firmly convinced in a coupla weeks ; but it could not be said it isn't possible.

mp_en_viaje: i've made the sorta call in two minutes ; people occasionally do, especially across the gender gap. whole human brain is optimized precisely and specifically to make this sort of call in the shortest time possible, there's no other problem besides, perhaps, object tracking that we're as good at.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the extra coad req'd to keep the sseism regs properly filled, entirely wipes out whatever cost saved by using the parallel 16byte searcher.

asciilifeform: presently asciilifeform suspects that 'sseism' was a straight 'upgrade scam', i.e. trick to make folx throw out old irons when really 0 justification

asciilifeform: ( by breaking binary compat. e.g. current microshit won't even boot w/out sse3 , iirc )

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925245 << me grins. progress, amirite ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 18:41 asciilifeform: in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !!

mp_en_viaje: right choice re publishing ; unsurprising sse did nothing.

asciilifeform: orig. thought, like idjit, that it wouldn't even need the cache from the 2nd patch

asciilifeform: ended up that yes needs, simply to match the performance of ~orig~ genesis ver.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925257 << the ~other~ way to look at it is, "if this person defaults my remedy is that im out of the whole thing", which is not an untenable stance, esp for knights ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:30 diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per vendor's manual ( and interestingly HAD TO DUST IT OFF, there are ~0 useful sources on net, errybody wants to talk about intel's c++ 'intrinsics' lib re sse) they're supposed to operate in parallel.

mp_en_viaje: not usefully.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: This is odd. I an unsure how or why mp-wp tries to paginate comments. Will try to see if I can uncover anything.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it fails to add the 1 there i.e. this resolves correctly: younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-1/#comment-4

diana_coman: possibly a theme thing though iirc I just used the basic theme, changed only the colour and added the author under title

BingoBoingo: When I load it in my browser I get redirected to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/#comment-4, which I suspect is how it should be generating the link in the first place.

diana_coman: hm, if you look at recent comments, the link is with page-1 and there it is correct

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: there is indeed a "break comments into pages" etc; is that what you mean?

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: done and indeed this way it works; I wasn't aware of this bug in mp-wp though

mp_en_viaje: comment pagination is a fucking stupid idea that was never supported on trilema

diana_coman: tbh I never used several pages of comments and having them broken at a random place seems like a stupid idea indeed; but then again, I probably messed about with all the knobs around there at one time or another.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 16:01 asciilifeform: and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it

asciilifeform: rk co. seems to not be doing so hot in market. is, near as i can tell, being price-squeezed by the even cheaper (but for our application useless, as they dun boot bloblessly) arm clones

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also getting squeezed by the firms big enough simply getting their own arms printed

asciilifeform: asciilifeform thought that could escape from the yoke of 'the mercy of' cpu vendors, but turns out not so easy

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: arm per se is a pretty sad thing. almost as if someone sat down an' 'let's have a contest, can anyone come up with even uglier arch than x86'

BingoBoingo: Well, getting tmsr-cpu is looking like a matter with a clock running on it. Opens up whether we want MIPS, Alpha64-like, or something else

BingoBoingo: Probably going to need at least one Von Neumann tmsr-CPU before escaping to something else

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if martians were to parachute down a crate of clean cpu, turns out retargeting , baking linux, etc. takes weeks, not yrs. but martians prolly won't.

BingoBoingo: In other news, this weekend every public member of the FA from Candidate Martinez to Pepe Mujica switched at once to calling Venezuela's democratically elected government a dictatorship.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe? poll came out this week the showed them way behind in intention to vote. Local speculation surrounds that.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 03:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re uy election piece -- i'ma have to confess that it reads to me exactly like descriptions of footballism. i.e. massive pile of unbound symbols

BingoBoingo: Current polls show the Blancos/Nationalists winning the first round and thus the legislative plurality. Barring alien invasion there will be a second round runoff for the presidency. The FA guy is projected to lose to either the Blanco or the Red depending on who the first round puts in the runoff.

asciilifeform: to asciilifeform seems approx as interesting as whether the blueskins will lose to redskins etc

BingoBoingo: Well, it changes who goes to the courts and who write the rulebooks to either work with or around

asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf will patch viewer ever get fed !? and how about logotron genesis ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ? ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 13:32 asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!

a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 13:52 asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I will point out that the Election does have an undesirable worst case where the Colorado/Reds and guy who identifies as an economist wins. In that scenario Uruguay spends 5 years it can't afford as NY/US vassal state

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, and it prolly cost less than 10k in peanuts, too.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, you got a business there... ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: seen in person post http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923976 ; he gave nicole a ring and ran over. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 13:42 mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.

mp_en_viaje: i ended up opting to not even publish pics, because couldn't get in touch anymore to see if any objections.

mp_en_viaje: altogether i'd say the absolute worst case of benefit/effort ratio in history of mp meets. pretty much everyone else did manage to get ~some kind~ of boost from taking the trouble to come over have a cup of coffee ; but in this case a humongo helping of what i can only mentally represent as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919605 resulted in a few hours discussing nothing of any consequence (minus, of course, a firm promise of ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 06:59 mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.

mp_en_viaje: future srs committment) and well... that'd be pretty much it.

mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 15:59 mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.