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mp_en_viaje: good morning dear republic!
diana_coman: morning mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: how's logless life, diana_coman
diana_coman: still sucks, lol
diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: aha.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that derpy slutyev sounds like a umbla cu pula vapsita, lol
mp_en_viaje: lmao
mp_en_viaje: pai cine are, are, si cine n-are citeodata are, cite-odata n-are. sa ti-o zic si-n engleza ?
diana_coman: lolz
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, re the kiev : it is REALLY GREAT to sit down in nice restaurant, order soup & fillet mignon and then leisurely coffee starting at... 3 in the morning.
mp_en_viaje: i currently know of no place in allegedly civilised world where this is quite so readily available.
mp_en_viaje: apparently the best thing for quality of life is absence of any consideration for human rights, complete corruption of the government and culturally embedded, societally recognized male inferiority.
mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: local dorks had even their dorkitude stolen from them.
mp_en_viaje: "even talking to them [about sex and such things] sounds stupid/vulgar" were exact quotes.
diana_coman: sounds very... real, essentially.
mp_en_viaje: hm ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-certain-behaviors-and-jobs-more-masculine-and-out-of-our-control-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Certain Behaviors -- And Jobs -- More Masculine? And Out Of Our Control? Adnotated.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925167 - this part has this quality of "very real" for lack of how to better put it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:31 mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT.
mp_en_viaje: as in, you've had the same experience with ukrainian girls ?!
diana_coman: lolz, not with ukrainian girls as such; but I knew girls/environments precisely like that
mp_en_viaje: aha
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes ☟︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: previously purely theoretic item
diana_coman: it's probably "too much to dive in" for any "journalist", lolz
mp_en_viaje: kinda also illustrates the problem with "how did i not notice " / "was right there under nose" etc -- yes, was. in a field so huge fulla haystacks so vast...
diana_coman: myeah.
diana_coman: meanwhile in cute homeworks https://s.ragavan.co/2019/07/the-wot-versus-linked-in/
mp_en_viaje: is the guy in here ?
diana_coman: it's shrysr
diana_coman: !!up shrysr
deedbot: shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: I rated him so he can up himself but he's still finding his bearings/being prudent about it
diana_coman: not a bad thing either
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, i suspect you misunderstand the meaning of the numbers.
mp_en_viaje: if i rate someone -10, i thereby communicate two different things : a) a negative and b) how likely do i deem this to be my final appraisal (10 out of 10, ie as far as i
mp_en_viaje: can tell a certainty)
mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change. ☟︎
diana_coman: that seems to be the hardest part for people to get; in fairness the actual meaning attached to a rating is up to the one giving the rating so ...
mp_en_viaje: this is ~one~ of the senses in which deedbot ratings, though saved as numeric, ARE NOT NUMBERS.
mp_en_viaje: adding them, dividing them, etcetera, is necessarily meaningless an activity, like adding any other letters.
mp_en_viaje: can you add A + D ?
mp_en_viaje: went through an entire article without reference to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which is fucken bizarre.
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ? ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: "Does the rating matter? No. You can rate anybody, and the ratings represent your ‘social graph’. Somebody with poor ratings from many different people should probably be treated with some caution, but even so these ratings cannot be used to ‘judge’ anybody in any meaningful or profound manner." << this in particular is utter fucking nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in fucktarded wikipedia, "The subject of forced prostitution in the camps was alluded to in survivors' memoirs at least as early as 1972, when the first edition of Heinz Heger's book[5] was published. However, the subject remained largely taboo in studies of Nazism until the mid-1990s, when new publications by female researchers broke the silence."
mp_en_viaje: fancy that wonder, http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ came out 1964, nazi camp forced prostitution central thematic device.
mp_en_viaje: thanks god hilary clinton gave these morons their moron rights, wtf would the pre-existing world have done without their useless cuntheads.
bvt: hi. i'm back from my travel (incidentally, also from ukraine, though not kyiv)
mp_en_viaje: wb
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925178 << quite interesting on several levels. (not only the find per se, but that it actually includes 300pg of raw spectra, holyfuq) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:08 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes
mp_en_viaje: ikr.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how didja dig this up ?
mp_en_viaje: fucking chemistry textbook all in one.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i have slaves
asciilifeform: i'ma guess they were looking for 'thermodynamics -- proposes, kinetics -- disposes' lol
mp_en_viaje: lol
mp_en_viaje: somebody's gotta make all the bombs and things, what can i say.
asciilifeform: diels-alder is how one makes gabriel_laddel fodder, tho, rather than strained nitrogens lol
mp_en_viaje: yes well.
asciilifeform sweated through 2y of organikism but not had occasion to use in battlefield.
mp_en_viaje: sooo... anyone recall this years-old trilema article wherein the dilemma of the scumbag was discussed -- either say something that's already been said a trillion times and not stand out, or else say something for the reason that it wasn't said before, and stand out.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc this was the 'cancerous fags' piece
mp_en_viaje: no ?!
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ << sadly not in there.
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: there was defo thread in the logs, where mp_en_viaje elaborated on subj. but for some reason cannot find in o(1)
mp_en_viaje: le suck
asciilifeform: but in other strange, asciilifeform was just about to shelve the 'm' thing when realized how to do tlb lookup in o(1) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:08 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes
asciilifeform: it's 1 of those 'wtf didn't think of this before' items, will post.
asciilifeform: ( worx on all boxen that have 'sse2'. 2x faster , in principle, where 'sse3' but i haven't any )
asciilifeform: method is potentially applicable elsewhere (e.g. eulorism) so deserves a proper writeup
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-drug-companies-hiding-negative-studies-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Drug Companies Hiding Negative Studies? Adnotated.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925158 << Just to update: I've spent yesterday and the first half of today re-digging into the #eulora logotron coad, and I have come to the conclusion that I just want to burn it all and start over. (i.e. *I* don't even want to use it anymore) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 08:04 diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose
lobbes: Chiefly because in order to even install the heathen python coad, you need to first install and use "pip", which is dubious in its own right (see their 'mandatory code of conduct' for starters: https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/code-of-conduct/)
lobbes: And second; I would bet a lot of money that it will take me LESS time to simply code something fresh off of the republican logbot tree, then to deconstruct this frankenstein monster I created 4 years ago.
lobbes: So, I want to apologize to diana_coman personally for this delay. Rest assured I am on the case
diana_coman: lobbes: fine but what's your actual estimate on this something fresh off of the republican logbot tree?
mp_en_viaje: maybe somebody should drop a line to those pip schmucks, "here
mp_en_viaje: s your piece of shit being dropped out of production because of your pantsuit bullshit
mp_en_viaje: do they even have a channel ?
mp_en_viaje: apparently it's #pypa. ♖︎
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform was never able to get 'pip' to work at all ! ( tried many times when was writing phuctor )
mp_en_viaje: unsurprising ; pythonisms tend to consist of http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/18/euloran-blus-and-boos/ sorta useless scribble.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925199 thank you for explanation. I had seen your article earlier, but did not finish reading it, and did not refer to it in writing the post. However, I am revisiting the WoT and will revert with a better summary. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:31 mp_en_viaje: shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !! ☟︎
asciilifeform: will vpatch it anyway so perhaps other folx, w/ diff irons, can see whether 'still scam' or 'was scam in 2009' strictly
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925193 why should one be less likely to change? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 12:29 mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change.
BingoBoingo: shrysr: Greater experience
BingoBoingo: Re: local politics: "Van a querer etiquetarnos, pero cuantas más etiquetas nos pongan más orgullosamente blancos nos ponemos" << "orgullosamente blanco" is a thing people can be here
lobbes: diana_coman: I'll do some pencil-to-paper planning today and will try to have an educated estimate out by tonight (roughly 8hrs from now)
diana_coman: lobbes: kk
shrysr: BingoBoingo: re experience - would that also imply that it was 'short sighted' to rate diana_coman 10, after knowing her a couple of weeks, irrespective of the impact of her discussions ?
BingoBoingo: shrysr: Well, it depends. diana_coman does have a long history of public performance you could be rating off of. It could also be the case that down the line you recalibrate your scale.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje et al : posted, for future walkers of this minefield.
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440 << Loper OS -- M Performance Pessimizations! or: SSE is a Scam. ☟︎
diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4Ug9B/?raw=true ♖︎
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: o.O that's some... interesting result there asciilifeform
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i always suspected that 'fancy' x86 instrs were a sham (i.e. take just about as long, cuz really microcoded, as the classical alternative )
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, it's ~your~ estimation, you're the one that's supposed to know. in principle it could be said it's remarkable you're so firmly convinced in a coupla weeks ; but it could not be said it isn't possible.
mp_en_viaje: i've made the sorta call in two minutes ; people occasionally do, especially across the gender gap. whole human brain is optimized precisely and specifically to make this sort of call in the shortest time possible, there's no other problem besides, perhaps, object tracking that we're as good at.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: nao -- experimental proof.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the extra coad req'd to keep the sseism regs properly filled, entirely wipes out whatever cost saved by using the parallel 16byte searcher.
asciilifeform: 'save patient's ear by cutting out eye'
diana_coman: aha, such saving
asciilifeform: presently asciilifeform suspects that 'sseism' was a straight 'upgrade scam', i.e. trick to make folx throw out old irons when really 0 justification
asciilifeform: ( by breaking binary compat. e.g. current microshit won't even boot w/out sse3 , iirc )
asciilifeform: ditto crapple's shit
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925245 << me grins. progress, amirite ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 18:41 asciilifeform: in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: see piece. (it's short.)
mp_en_viaje: aha.
mp_en_viaje: right choice re publishing ; unsurprising sse did nothing.
asciilifeform: orig. thought, like idjit, that it wouldn't even need the cache from the 2nd patch
asciilifeform: ended up that yes needs, simply to match the performance of ~orig~ genesis ver.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925257 << the ~other~ way to look at it is, "if this person defaults my remedy is that im out of the whole thing", which is not an untenable stance, esp for knights ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:30 diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per vendor's manual ( and interestingly HAD TO DUST IT OFF, there are ~0 useful sources on net, errybody wants to talk about intel's c++ 'intrinsics' lib re sse) they're supposed to operate in parallel.
asciilifeform: but guesswhat.
mp_en_viaje: not usefully.
asciilifeform: conclusively, imho, uselessly.
asciilifeform mixes bag of cement to pour on the grave of this thing.
asciilifeform bbl:tea.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the comments links seem broken on younghands.club; is there more weirdness with the mp-wp install? e.g. http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/ links to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-/#comment-4 that 404s
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: This is odd. I an unsure how or why mp-wp tries to paginate comments. Will try to see if I can uncover anything.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it fails to add the 1 there i.e. this resolves correctly: younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-1/#comment-4
diana_coman: possibly a theme thing though iirc I just used the basic theme, changed only the colour and added the author under title
BingoBoingo: When I load it in my browser I get redirected to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/#comment-4, which I suspect is how it should be generating the link in the first place.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the place to attack this is the discussion settings tab
diana_coman: hm, if you look at recent comments, the link is with page-1 and there it is correct
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: there is indeed a "break comments into pages" etc; is that what you mean?
diana_coman: it shouldn't *break* it though, ugh
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Yeah, uncheck that box
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: done and indeed this way it works; I wasn't aware of this bug in mp-wp though
BingoBoingo: I don't recall running into it before either.
diana_coman: anyway, thank you BingoBoingo for a prompt workaround to it!
BingoBoingo: I suspect the right cut here is kill comment pagination.
mp_en_viaje: comment pagination is a fucking stupid idea that was never supported on trilema
diana_coman: tbh I never used several pages of comments and having them broken at a random place seems like a stupid idea indeed; but then again, I probably messed about with all the knobs around there at one time or another.
diana_coman: so yes, certainly better to have it cut out entirely
mp_en_viaje: word.
BingoBoingo: Knob that never should have been
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/07/28/pizarro-isp-july-28th-2019-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP July 28th 2019 Update
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to revisit the rk q in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924558 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 16:01 asciilifeform: and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will keep looking for more
asciilifeform: rk co. seems to not be doing so hot in market. is, near as i can tell, being price-squeezed by the even cheaper (but for our application useless, as they dun boot bloblessly) arm clones
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also getting squeezed by the firms big enough simply getting their own arms printed
asciilifeform: asciilifeform thought that could escape from the yoke of 'the mercy of' cpu vendors, but turns out not so easy
asciilifeform: 'we ported tmsr to tmsr-cpu, nao eat shit, idjits'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: arm per se is a pretty sad thing. almost as if someone sat down an' 'let's have a contest, can anyone come up with even uglier arch than x86'
BingoBoingo: Well, getting tmsr-cpu is looking like a matter with a clock running on it. Opens up whether we want MIPS, Alpha64-like, or something else
asciilifeform: fwiw i found that retargeting gcc is not actually very hard
asciilifeform: ( to novel -- but reasonably 'boring', that is, von neumann, arch )
asciilifeform: the hard part is getting to-what
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/canadian-old-woman-tries-to-sue-for-mousetrap-ban-on-behalf-of-mice/ << Qntra -- Canadian Old Woman Tries To Sue For Mousetrap Ban On Behalf Of Mice
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: !#s squirrel rights
a111: 1 result for "squirrel rights", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=squirrel%20rights
BingoBoingo: Probably going to need at least one Von Neumann tmsr-CPU before escaping to something else
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if martians were to parachute down a crate of clean cpu, turns out retargeting , baking linux, etc. takes weeks, not yrs. but martians prolly won't.
BingoBoingo: In other news, this weekend every public member of the FA from Candidate Martinez to Pepe Mujica switched at once to calling Venezuela's democratically elected government a dictatorship.
asciilifeform: FA ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The present ruling coalition
BingoBoingo: The fat forehead party
asciilifeform: i guess their miami cheques finally cleared ? nfi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe? poll came out this week the showed them way behind in intention to vote. Local speculation surrounds that.
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921978 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 03:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re uy election piece -- i'ma have to confess that it reads to me exactly like descriptions of footballism. i.e. massive pile of unbound symbols
BingoBoingo: Current polls show the Blancos/Nationalists winning the first round and thus the legislative plurality. Barring alien invasion there will be a second round runoff for the presidency. The FA guy is projected to lose to either the Blanco or the Red depending on who the first round puts in the runoff.
asciilifeform: to asciilifeform seems approx as interesting as whether the blueskins will lose to redskins etc
BingoBoingo: Well, it changes who goes to the courts and who write the rulebooks to either work with or around
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf will patch viewer ever get fed !? and how about logotron genesis ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ? ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 13:32 asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 13:52 asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I will point out that the Election does have an undesirable worst case where the Colorado/Reds and guy who identifies as an economist wins. In that scenario Uruguay spends 5 years it can't afford as NY/US vassal state
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, and it prolly cost less than 10k in peanuts, too.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, you got a business there... ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: nfi
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
a111: 2019-07-18 <phf> afk
asciilifeform: ^ apparently not since
asciilifeform brb:meat
mp_en_viaje: seen in person post http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923976 ; he gave nicole a ring and ran over. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 13:42 mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.
mp_en_viaje: i ended up opting to not even publish pics, because couldn't get in touch anymore to see if any objections.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/07/checking-in/ << Bimbo.Club -- Checking in
mp_en_viaje: altogether i'd say the absolute worst case of benefit/effort ratio in history of mp meets. pretty much everyone else did manage to get ~some kind~ of boost from taking the trouble to come over have a cup of coffee ; but in this case a humongo helping of what i can only mentally represent as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919605 resulted in a few hours discussing nothing of any consequence (minus, of course, a firm promise of ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 06:59 mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.
mp_en_viaje: future srs committment) and well... that'd be pretty much it.
mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 15:59 mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.
mp_en_viaje: i'm guessing it'll resolve itself some way or another.
BingoBoingo: !!invoice dorion 0.03199927 1 Quarter Rockchip with FUCKGOATS And 1TB SSD
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uLTlm/?raw=true ♖︎
BingoBoingo: !!v D3A9A27298FBBC978886FC34D2406E291D9B135E7ACF0639BAB3A8FE74E74A21
deedbot: Invoiced dorion 0.03199927 << 1 Quarter Rockchip with FUCKGOATS And 1TB SSD
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-law-schools-lying-to-their-applicants-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Law Schools Lying To Their Applicants? Adnotated.