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trinque: this model is also applicable using OTP, I'm aware, but while it proves something to *me*, it doesn't prove it to anyone else.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 19:24 trinque: I lean towards flipping the model to "decrypt and sign this command + OTP" vs "decrypt and send in the clear this OTP"
trinque: I lean towards flipping the model to "decrypt and sign this command + OTP" vs "decrypt and send in the clear this OTP" ☟︎
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trinque: thing can barf gpg'd OTP one direction, can receive OTP from another
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mircea_popescu: no otp ?!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) << did the su radio guys have all the otp's for the day there with him or what not?
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mircea_popescu: moreover, all this was before internet. nowadays, i can scarcely comprehend how it'd work that i'd degrade a text link into a dumb voice link with someone who is intelligent enough to safely maintain and use otp.
mircea_popescu: what dude, it's hard enough to get a girl's phone, you want her to write down her fucking otp for you ? while drunk at 3am ?
mircea_popescu: an otp phone is not all that practical.
asciilifeform: otp - yes, you can.
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asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu ONLY wants to give J' to his best friends, he can do that already via the otp he has with them.
asciilifeform: and if you posit the otp (or some other way, perhaps through buttsex, for him to give the True J' to the intended recipients) it turns into my algo.
asciilifeform: this'd be handy if mircea_popescu had otp set up in advance with the people he intends to give the actual J' to
mod6: which consists of getting an encrypted otp from deedbot, derypting it, then feeding the otp back to deedbot with !!v <OTP>
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mircea_popescu: that's the otp-likeness contemplated, you know the place where this is discussed in the logs ?
asciilifeform: only otp actually creates this effect.
mircea_popescu: what's more important is that gossipd works like otp : "sure you can decrypt this text mr evil. WHAT would you like it to decrypt to ?"
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mircea_popescu: attacker is very free to discover any topology he likes, much in the way attacker is welcome to decipher otp message to anything he pleases.
asciilifeform: phf: and, granted, nobody is storing 1TB of otp inside his head.
a111: 783 results for "otp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=otp
thestringpuller: $s otp
asciilifeform: otp also poses a number of 'konsooomer has come to expect' challenges to typical user.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i half-expect to hand out otp's at the next meat gathering. << werd.
asciilifeform: (most folks have not now and never will have any business using an otp. to use it without applying the required ~discipline~ - e.g., are you prepared to keep the pad with you at ALL times, in the shitter, etc. ? does more harm than good.)
asciilifeform: (there are schemes for public signatures using an otp-like system - lamport's signatures - but they rely on the strength of a hash and do not have the absolute guarantee associated with an ordinary otptron.)
asciilifeform: it is important to remember that otp is not a replacement for public key crypto.
asciilifeform: the most difficult piece of an otp system is the 'ot'
asciilifeform: trinque: you don't want otp to touch a pc.
trinque: how does it differ from simply some storage stick (usb or w/e) with otp matter?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i half-expect to hand out otp's at the next meat gathering.
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asciilifeform: ( the humble seal is one of the most, imho, under-rated pieces of crypto tech. at least the 'otp' variant, where it is made from a shattered rod, is 'unbreakable' in any direct sense. as discussed in at least one old thread. )
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu wants to do a shannon-style proof a la otp bits, i'm all ears.
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asciilifeform: and, also incidentally, a 64GB+ sdcard weighs ~1g. so there is no reason whatsoever for the cipher not to be otp.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the uncensored, full-length version of shannon's otp paper was released only in 2013 !
asciilifeform: (the depressing part is that the way it ~is~ established, is claude shannon's otp paper, and it happened exactly ONCE, afaik, to date.)
mircea_popescu: there's also a subtle point here, which is : that if we indeed use a otp-and-hash scheme, this in fact puts whatever hash scheme we use to work.
mircea_popescu: anyway : the rsa/otp scheme is also bw-wasting, up to a factor of 2 if no hashing, or otherwise depending on how many hash passes, with 20 it's just 1.05 ie 5% more bw etc.
mircea_popescu: PeterL reusing an otp straight makes bothering with the whole scheme kinda pointless ; hashing an old otp to generate a new otp is perhaps dubious, but in widespread use. (it's more or less what a "deterministic" wallet is, for instance)
PeterL: wasteful to pass N bytes of otp for each N bytes of message?