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hanbot: so mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes & etc, i was testing the wrong derned thing (V99995), switching to the V99994 actually requested nao. did have asciilifeform's 01ABFFC7 key, artifact for anyone interested: http://dpaste.com/2J85RB5
shinohai: buttfinex back up, balances adjusted
mod6: The sink is finished & installed ohmahgerd.
mod6: what a fiasco.
mod6: this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink.
mod6: that was thursday.
mod6: <+davout> figured moving to the south wasn't enough, so i've settled on mauritius << nice! wow is that pretty.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516914 << what's new in the new ver ? << this one (V99994) pulls the deps from deedbot that were deedified last month. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:54 mod6: in reality, we want to test V99994 and see how that behaves.
hanbot: i had the same problem with V99994, ftr i suspect it's a user permissions issue as when i try to manually check that sig against the vpatch gpg complains it can't open the file (and that particular patch was just alphabetically first, ergo not special)
mod6: yeah, i've seen this error before myself.
mod6: we'll get past it here.
mod6: $key asciilifeform
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/12b2e8d2-a965-41d4-ac4e-f2ea79a4a884/
mod6: $key trinque
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/18257021-3cb3-463f-8fe9-9bf832b3be13/
mod6: $key mircea_popescu
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8e670bdd-c61c-4102-b472-c5ba37188c5e/
mod6: $key ben_vulpes
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/693ace08-d7e6-4ccb-a9bd-fcccb79d65b5/
mod6: $key mod6
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/897aafb0-06c6-45ec-a023-f87f5e9eed09/
mircea_popescu: digging up through ancient trilemaz, http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/#comment-93298
BingoBoingo: <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> digging up through ancient trilemaz, http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/#comment-93298 << AHA, Outputs.io!
mircea_popescu: iirc that dude ran off with something or the other later
BingoBoingo: Yeah "wallet service" called inputs.io
mircea_popescu: back when noobs still had dust, so his ~100 btc or w/e it was made a huge splash in the "community".
BingoBoingo: The press releases were $1000 or whatever
BingoBoingo: ANd then Gox finally kicked it a few months later
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Oh =B= 1000
BingoBoingo: Or is the text thing 8=====D...... :) 1000
BingoBoingo: I forget how to prefix the internet coinz
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem? << the ceramic basin was completely shattered.
mircea_popescu: in the same spirit, http://trilema.com/2014/these-people-should-be-shot-basically/#comment-115108
mod6: but the drainpipe/trap, etc were fine.
mod6: i may post a few pics here later.
BingoBoingo: mod6: You remove it and you caulk the new one in
BingoBoingo: And supply the faucet etc
mod6: oh yeah. except when girl wants whole new thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, impact trauma is the enemy of tempered glasses
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers? << lol. no.
BingoBoingo: Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad.
mod6: ok: update on hanbot's test. she was able to clear the previous error.
mod6: but when it came down to it, she hit another error; her Ubuntu 10.04 test environment doesn't have `sharutils', a package that contains uuencode/uudecode. which is what V99994 is using to decode the deedified dependencies from deedbot.
mod6: so instead of using uudecode for this process, I'll have to reconfigure the script to use base64 looks like.
mod6: no worries. will make some changes and come back for another round of testing this week.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad. << naw, certainly could have been worse.
BingoBoingo: Also gotta avoid the temptation to use pipe wrench when installing supply side threaded anything.
BingoBoingo: Or circles become eggs
BingoBoingo: And the water eggogs out ☟︎
mircea_popescu: base64 much better than pulling in utf crap
mod6: i think i might have to re-deedifiy all those deps.
mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary. ☟︎
mod6: for instance:
mod6: $ cat openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -n '/begin-base64/,/====/p' | base64 -d > openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mod6: base64: invalid input
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, why not just use gpg armor ? wtf uu
mircea_popescu: maybe im confused.
mod6: i went down that path first.
mod6: with `gpg --armor --sign` but, like we discussed, one could not tell what thing is contained.
mircea_popescu: hm
mod6: tbh, i thought that base64 and uuencode/uudecode did the same thing.
mircea_popescu: apparently not
mod6: i mean, it does say: 'begin-base64 664 openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' at the beginning of the encoding.
mod6: so apparently those are lies.
mircea_popescu: im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained".
mod6: <+mod6> because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary. << maybe im doing something wrong here.
mod6: will try this again
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained". << when discussed & shown, they are large signed/armored files. (with `gpg --armor --sign`)
mircea_popescu: ok. and i recall they were getting a header or is this something else ?
mod6: As I understood, we didn't wanna use that becuse one wouldn't be able to read the disclaimer or the "begin-base64 644 <FILENAME>" to see what the deed actually contained
mircea_popescu: {This blob is so and so : [then large pile of stuff]}signed
mircea_popescu: and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ?
mod6: i guess to me, that meant clearsigning a pgp signed message. guess i didn't try that.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ? << good question. i think you might just be able to armor.
mircea_popescu: well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works.
deedbot: [Qntra] Eulora Released 0.1.2 Update Released, Record Loot Follows - http://qntra.net/2016/08/eulora-released-0-1-2-update-released-record-loot-follows/
mircea_popescu: hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo too many released ?
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mod6: hrm, guess not:
mod6: $ cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz | gpg --armor
mod6: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
mod6: gpg: processing message failed: eof
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works. << thanks!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad. << ah ok.
mod6: so anyway, lemme see if i can get this working the way I wanted with base64, i must be doing something wrong here.
mod6: this seems insane to me.
mircea_popescu: kk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice!
mod6: ok yup, im just mental
mod6: http://dpaste.com/01M9WSY.txt
mod6: so it turns out that base64 binary kinda wants nothing to do with those beginning and ending markers.
mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so basically just spurious header added ?
mod6: yeah, header and footer.
mircea_popescu: aite then
mod6: if you get rid of the 'begin-base64 ...' line and the ending '====', then you can use base64 to decode, no problem.
mod6: i was just oblivious to this.
mod6: sorry for the noise.
BingoBoingo: In other "bathroom and too many dollars are getting printed lulz" a product exists called "bluetooth speaker bathroom fan with led light" intended to be installed as your bathroom's exhaust fan...
mod6: alright, got a way to grab what's between the header & footer with sed:
mod6: cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -e '1,/begin-base64/d' -e '/====/,$d' | base64 -d > buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
mod6: will update the V99994 script and start a new test cycle.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-08#1517007 << base64 -i ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:15 mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-08#1517049 << you dun have to remove'em, just -i ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:47 mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok.
asciilifeform: base64 -d -i foo.uu > bar.baz
mod6: asciilifeform: hey thanks.
mod6: let me try that out
mod6: hrm, didn't seem to work on my end: http://dpaste.com/2XB8ZEV.txt
mod6: i tried the -i, ignore garbage, during my earlier tour ; didn't seem to do what i hoped.
BingoBoingo: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/overweight-horse-research-owner-survey-515812
BingoBoingo: Bad News for the Arabs https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26741571
mircea_popescu: onoes.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-08#1517004 << your highly log-referential humour has not gone unnoticed ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:01 BingoBoingo: And the water eggogs out
BingoBoingo: Not safe for Life, if you look all you have to blame is yourself https://ceufast.com/imgs/wd-4-pic-3.jpg
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/28/1mdb-inside-story-worlds-biggest-financial-scandal-malaysia << the spin continues
ben_vulpes: annoying theme of the article: "according to documents seen by the guardian"
ben_vulpes: bitch shut the fuck up or publish
ben_vulpes: i don't take shit on anyone's word anymore
ben_vulpes: you either bring scans and let them stand or you bring unsubstantiated claims
mircea_popescu: aww, you don't take the agitprop at face value, terrorist ?
ben_vulpes: and you're the guaaaardian you backed greenwald gtfo
mircea_popescu: heh.
ben_vulpes: actually greenwald schmeenwald you backed *anyone* who suggested the use of anything other than RSA.
mircea_popescu: according to documents seen by mp, the guardian publishes anything for a double hamburger.
ben_vulpes: jeez
ben_vulpes: the thing features stock photos of leo from the movie and the obligatory noble j-school ho
mats: http://www.eweek.com/security/risk-from-linux-kernel-hidden-in-windows-10-exposed-at-black-hat.html << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-30#1442290 microsoft delivers ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-30 22:30 mats: i look forward to moar attack surface
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: oh man the thing even has a "sign the papers" moment
ben_vulpes: man the weak shit on display
ben_vulpes: oh sorry am i distracting from the fiddy cents of btc bitfinex lost?
mircea_popescu: no it was a billion!
BingoBoingo: Covered By ObamaKoin Insurance
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/grKt2 << lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "rouge" ? nm.
asciilifeform: it's a gag, but subj crossed 'parody horizon' long ago.
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: ('brittanica' is not in fact included in that lib, but i found myself checking...)
deedbot: [Trilema] My Rather Sad Breakfast, or Fuck You "Smart Food Company SRL" and Fuck You "Industria Argentina". - http://trilema.com/2016/my-rather-sad-breakfast-or-fuck-you-smart-food-company-srl-and-fuck-you-industria-argentina/
asciilifeform: and here i was, thinking mircea_popescu had his phood flown in
mircea_popescu: sometimes.
mircea_popescu: what i do dun excuse the localtards, though.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, check out how people made 1 btc back in 2012 : http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/#comment-90759
phf: simpler times
shinohai: i always miss these opportunities to make easy BTC, i knew that one xD
mircea_popescu: funny thing being, at the time i was running a sort of digg (well, much better, but anyway) in romanian, and people could actually cash out, via btc. a few did, not massive sums at the time, but massive sums in btc.
deedbot: [Trilema] The Husewife at the ATM - http://trilema.com/2016/the-husewife-at-the-atm/
asciilifeform: unrelated, and - possibly at this point, unsurprising - lelz: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/08/audit-reveals-pentagon-doesnt-know-where-trillions-went.html
asciilifeform: '...employees of the DFAS were routinely told by superiors to take “unsubstantiated change actions” commonly referred to as “plugging” the numbers. These “plugs” – which amounted to falsifying financial records – were then used to create the appearance that the military’s financial data matched that of the U.S. Treasury Department’s numbers when discrepancies in the financial data couldn’t be accounted for, acco
asciilifeform: rding to the Reuters investigation.'
mircea_popescu: sooo, is lybia going to bomb the us now, to put obama in a cage, and hang himlater, while "giving a chance to democracy" in that country ?
asciilifeform: hyperborea, and atlantis, in coalition.
mircea_popescu: seems the us is pretty ripe for giving the people a voice etc.
asciilifeform: 'regime change begins at home' -- popular picket sign in bush II era
phf: trinque: so your bot has a bunch of string matches for things that come back from nickserv, but they are all stripped of special characters. like "nick has been ghosted." what i get back is "^Anick^A has been ghosted." is that some setting i'm missing? or something else?
deedbot: [Trilema] The Huswife at the ATM - http://trilema.com/2016/the-huswife-at-the-atm/
trinque: phf: did the paster eat those? I have them too
phf: paster ates them
mircea_popescu: in other "stripping the special chars" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/71c2bce1b57d44d510457fed3c2b1369/tumblr_mk9bnxQdqN1rni6rao1_400.gif
trinque: lol
trinque: phf: probably better to just get sasl in there
phf: sasl is made of fail
mircea_popescu: ^
trinque: and nickserv isn't?
mircea_popescu: it's literally, "fail" read out by the wodewick roman guy
phf: sasl doesn't ghost, it renames you, and when you rename back, it asks you to identify
trinque: ah fucker
trinque: who made all this
phf: eh, i'm not too worried about it, i'm playing "spot the eastern european" game at the ocean city board walk. tall check, skinny check, fit check, not surrounded by 4 bros check. there are some easy matches though. fat +100 to american. not busted, but with a black guy +100 slav.
mircea_popescu: what's busted ?
asciilifeform found that it is ~impossible to visit a museum of whatever kind in washington, or beach in delaware/md coast, without hearing spoken ru in the crowd at least once
mats: 'Not even the ones managed and attented* by ethically* Asian people' << is this intentional or?
mats: i am not surprised DFAS is fucked up, i'd guess 1 in 10 soldiers see pay issues during their enlistment
mats: some - don't see them resolved until they exit service
mats: i didn't see a deposit clear until 3 months into training (good thing i didn't really need it, had enough cash to buy running shoes and what not)
asciilifeform: mats: i'd be rather surprised if missing $T had anything to do with soldiers' pay.
mircea_popescu: mats sort-of yeah.
asciilifeform: does their collective pay even add up to $B, or the cost of 1 magic airplane.
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: 50k people making 100k a year that's 5bn
mircea_popescu: add in all the various tax and "education" easements + medical care etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100k is a colonel's pay
asciilifeform: how many colonels?
mircea_popescu: and 50k is meta-usa army. but anywya.
mats: too many colonels.
mircea_popescu: when doing degree of magnitude evaluation we do degree of magnitude.
phf: mircea_popescu: various signs of often irreversible degradation, corn rows, track marks, gaudy tattoos
mircea_popescu: ie, "appearance in according to greater russian code" ? :P
mats: also endemic problems with the travel system and reimbursements
mircea_popescu: also endemic problems with procurement. weren't famblies sending silly string over because dod can't afford ?
phf: mircea_popescu: "busted" == "not approved by phf"
mats: NCOs would routinely get fucked and have to cover out of pocket because the vouchers wouldn't clear fast enough
mircea_popescu: i got that concept too phf ! :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't 'couldn't afford', but 'not in protocol'
asciilifeform: different disease.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hardly.
mats: yes, i also heard about the silly string
mats: and batteries
mats: and polymer magazines
asciilifeform: they can 'afford' 10k shitanium rifle where you can't even club a man with the butt
mats: and ... its a long list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the pretence that "it's not because we're poor, it's because of the sandbugs" is ENTIRELY rural belle ego protection and naught else.
asciilifeform: this'd be one of those poor folk in hanbot's story
asciilifeform: who is only poor because he has 25 ipnojes
mircea_popescu: that's the dod, dude.
asciilifeform: one for each dog.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously the sputniks made a plane that could fly for 1/100 the "cost".
asciilifeform perenially wonders what felipelalli uses for a modem
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm somewhat puzzled that NOBODY said a single word re new trilema header.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-hassan-i sabbah win.
mircea_popescu: because we collectively lost our shit hiar while making it and kept laughing convulsively for many hours.
asciilifeform: in other noose, krebs ( http://krebsonsecurity.com ) has definitely been awake since i wrote to him (he has new material on his site) but never answered re phuctor/khadeer/etc.
asciilifeform: so we learn, now, where he stands.
mircea_popescu: hey check you out, you can raise teh ded
asciilifeform: eh wat
mircea_popescu: " has definitely been awake since i wrote to him (he has new material on his site)" << i took this to mean site was ded previously ?
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: just that there is no 'he was at the beach' excuse available.
mircea_popescu: ah i c.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : hano bock (the deceitful shitbag) drives slightly less traffic via his twitter / t.co/bcrxVsVoe5 than phuctor does via its faq page.
mircea_popescu: from which we infer shitbags lose and phuctor > twitter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwat, he linked it from ~own~ page?!
mircea_popescu: what's "own" mean when discussing vermin ?
asciilifeform: meant to say, vermin linked to mircea_popescu's article ? dun they have a rule against this?!
mircea_popescu: they also have a rule about bombing rogue states that steal $5bn out of people's wealth to pay cronies.
asciilifeform: only when uppity orc
mircea_popescu: in perhaps related, perhaps interesting to amateur historian sources, here's the 1950 act that confiscated various houses of "the enemies of the regime" in Romania : http://www.juris.ro/legislatie-detaliu/DECRET-nr-92-din-19-aprilie-1950-pentru-nationalizarea-unor-imobile/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how were the particular kulaks picked ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps notable for the device : a) the ~rights~ without any encumberances of real estate named goes on to new owner ; b) anyone currently living there is now renting from new owner, no matter what title they thought they had ; c) anyone fucking with this gets 10 years hard labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the fact that 99% of it is bucharest, it's entirely certain they were picked by personal invidy.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, bucharest scarcely accounted for a fifth of the country's real estate ; and most of it was shit anyway when compared with the 3-5 century old stuff in transylvania.
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the workings of that thing, if you took out a loan + mortgage to buy a house ; the house did go on to be owned by X, but you kept the mortgage.
asciilifeform: we have this right here in usaschwitz, if house confiscated as part of 'dope warz' (requires no conviction in any court) chumper ~also~ gets to keep the mortgage.
mircea_popescu: the principle is fundamental to any such activity. the usg will obviously still owe on all its obligations, such as social security. it will however not have any right to perceive any income. and anyone involved is personally responsible - with their own fat, personally - of the exact execution of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, gotta make sure one expropriates the socialists in the proper manner such is done. ie, as they themselves do it.
asciilifeform: 'грабь награбленное' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: (lenin.)
mircea_popescu: quite.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515904 << idea: transfer random series a and b of length A and B where A and B are co-prime, session key is the series {(a[i%A] XOR b[i%B]) for i in [0, AxB]} ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 14:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your call, because the matter is quite acute : is it a safer system to demand 8kb entropy/second and hash 12 times ? or to demand say 128bytes/second and hash 768 times ?
asciilifeform: holy fuck why
asciilifeform: ?
PeterL: would be better than just reusing the one otp over a bunch of times?
asciilifeform: no one suggested reusing an otp !!
asciilifeform: the idiot reservation is the next door
PeterL: maybe I misunderstood what MP was suggesting?
asciilifeform: quite definitely.
PeterL: ok, nevermind then
asciilifeform: PeterL: mircea_popescu's original suggestion was to transfer properly random messages, via rsa, continuously, thereby keeping a supply of otp warm on both sides
asciilifeform: which is then tapped into when actually sending payloads.
asciilifeform: quite like what, e.g., gpg does, but in ~batches~ ahead of time.
PeterL: Anybody else watch olympic opening ceremony? There was about a minute of fun brazillian dancing and hours of boringness and a stupid tribute to global warming. Bleh.
asciilifeform: $up b-a_alum
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up dfgg_
deedbot: dfgg_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: PeterL seems pretty wasteful neh?
PeterL: wasteful to pass N bytes of otp for each N bytes of message?
mircea_popescu: PeterL reusing an otp straight makes bothering with the whole scheme kinda pointless ; hashing an old otp to generate a new otp is perhaps dubious, but in widespread use. (it's more or less what a "deterministic" wallet is, for instance)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand that if you never hash them, you might as well not use them at all and simply rsa the actual message back and forth. as appealing as the idea is in theory, it's not workable in practice because even with a game as relaxed as eulora, it'll still be too laggy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rsa the actual message back and forth' << not same. for instance, if you have the pump going at all times, it can be cache-local.
mircea_popescu: yeah there are some advantages. but half second is too much to delay a game message for encryption, and you won't be able to fit two passes in .5 s
asciilifeform: the only aspect of rsa that actually takes palpable time on a modern box is key gen.
mircea_popescu: got any benchmarks ?
asciilifeform: not handily.
mircea_popescu: worth checking this, if you have an actual c implementation anywhere.
asciilifeform: i'ma put this in the pipe.
mircea_popescu: anyway : the rsa/otp scheme is also bw-wasting, up to a factor of 2 if no hashing, or otherwise depending on how many hash passes, with 20 it's just 1.05 ie 5% more bw etc.
asciilifeform: incidentally gmp (what ~everybody, at least gpg users, use) is braindamaged in a certain important way
asciilifeform: i.e. it allocates.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: there's also a subtle point here, which is : that if we indeed use a otp-and-hash scheme, this in fact puts whatever hash scheme we use to work.
mircea_popescu: ie, it'd be silly to correctly engineer this system in the sense of minimalism, as we're more interested in it testing our tools.
mircea_popescu: afaik nobody to date deployed keccak on any sort of large scale anything for any purpose over any duration. unless someone else knows ?
mircea_popescu: (and for the governance-minded log reader : yeah, the above is literally me in my capacity as ceo making a strategic choice that puts the best interest of shareholders second, after the interest of the republic. it literally subsidizes republican research at the expense of s.mg's bottom line. not only is this common in my practice - i hold it to be both required and unavoidable, and if "that's not how you'd run a corp" you're
mircea_popescu: either an ashole or an idiot. but in any case if oyu don't like it you can get stuffed. bitbet pays for miner cartelisation detection and minigame pays for hash research and so on and so forth.)
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that 'hash research' is presently not even yet at alchemy level, and stuck somewhere between haruspicy and astrology.
mircea_popescu: it won't get out of it unless and until we start putting it in things.
mircea_popescu: at least that's my best guess atm.
asciilifeform: eh folks have been 'putting it in things' since '80s
mircea_popescu: management ; an inexact science.
mircea_popescu: name one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows that this is not how crypto strength is established.
mircea_popescu: i do. but it is how people are enticed to read code , and think about what they read.
asciilifeform: (the depressing part is that the way it ~is~ established, is claude shannon's otp paper, and it happened exactly ONCE, afaik, to date.)
asciilifeform: afaik we do not have any theoretical support whatsoever for the strength of any known hash algo.
asciilifeform: just as for block ciphers.
mircea_popescu: possibly not.
asciilifeform: (we have support for ~weakness~ and this confuses people)
asciilifeform brb
asciilifeform: cryptography is a 'meat market' where, after sobering up, one notices that 100% of the 'girls' are actually pigs.
asciilifeform: and then you go, again, to the bottle.
asciilifeform: rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the uncensored, full-length version of shannon's otp paper was released only in 2013 !
asciilifeform: https://www.iacr.org/museum/shannon45.html << pdf only.
mircea_popescu: fucking adobe.
asciilifeform: https://www.bell-labs.com/claude-shannon << apparently a thing
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 2 tests complete both passed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in juicier news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6279d067e98a965272603710fb28ed39/tumblr_nfosrok9vd1siddzto1_400.gif
deedbot: [Trilema] Respiro - http://trilema.com/2016/respiro/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: liberation of the dogs ??
mod6: shinohai: sweet!
mod6: thanks for checking that out
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Detroitiscrap.com finally shut down. - Niggermania.NET" << apparently there was a detroit lafond.
asciilifeform: did he get, i wonder, 'unamusement park'-ed ?
asciilifeform: or was it 'through difficult country'-d
mircea_popescu: apparently "litigation based on dmca"
asciilifeform: (.za blogger fella who got 'accidentally' beaten to death in police station one time)
thestringpuller: rumors of lucifer
mircea_popescu: $google cacastecherita
deedbot: http://trilema.com/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv << Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A ... | http://trilema.com/cae-dorel << Cae Dorel ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is with these people.