hanbot: so mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes & etc, i was testing the wrong derned thing (V99995), switching to the V99994 actually requested nao. did have asciilifeform's 01ABFFC7 key, artifact for anyone interested:
http://dpaste.com/2J85RB5 shinohai: buttfinex back up, balances adjusted
mod6: The sink is finished & installed ohmahgerd.
mod6: this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink.
mod6: <+davout> figured moving to the south wasn't enough, so i've settled on mauritius << nice! wow is that pretty.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:54 mod6: in reality, we want to test V99994 and see how that behaves.
hanbot: i had the same problem with V99994, ftr i suspect it's a user permissions issue as when i try to manually check that sig against the vpatch gpg complains it can't open the file (and that particular patch was just alphabetically first, ergo not special)
mod6: yeah, i've seen this error before myself.
mod6: we'll get past it here.
mod6: $key mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem?
mircea_popescu: iirc that dude ran off with something or the other later
mircea_popescu: back when noobs still had dust, so his ~100 btc or w/e it was made a huge splash in the "community".
BingoBoingo: ANd then Gox finally kicked it a few months later
BingoBoingo: Or is the text thing 8=====D...... :) 1000
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem? << the ceramic basin was completely shattered.
mod6: but the drainpipe/trap, etc were fine.
mod6: i may post a few pics here later.
BingoBoingo: mod6: You remove it and you caulk the new one in
mod6: oh yeah. except when girl wants whole new thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, impact trauma is the enemy of tempered glasses
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers? << lol. no.
BingoBoingo: Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad.
mod6: ok: update on hanbot's test. she was able to clear the previous error.
mod6: but when it came down to it, she hit another error; her Ubuntu 10.04 test environment doesn't have `sharutils', a package that contains uuencode/uudecode. which is what V99994 is using to decode the deedified dependencies from deedbot.
mod6: so instead of using uudecode for this process, I'll have to reconfigure the script to use base64 looks like.
mod6: no worries. will make some changes and come back for another round of testing this week.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad. << naw, certainly could have been worse.
BingoBoingo: Also gotta avoid the temptation to use pipe wrench when installing supply side threaded anything.
mod6: i think i might have to re-deedifiy all those deps.
mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary.
☟︎ mod6: $ cat openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -n '/begin-base64/,/====/p' | base64 -d > openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mod6: base64: invalid input
mod6: i went down that path first.
mod6: with `gpg --armor --sign` but, like we discussed, one could not tell what thing is contained.
mod6: tbh, i thought that base64 and uuencode/uudecode did the same thing.
mod6: i mean, it does say: 'begin-base64 664 openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' at the beginning of the encoding.
mod6: so apparently those are lies.
mircea_popescu: im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained".
mod6: <+mod6> because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary. << maybe im doing something wrong here.
mod6: will try this again
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained". << when discussed & shown, they are large signed/armored files. (with `gpg --armor --sign`)
mircea_popescu: ok. and i recall they were getting a header or is this something else ?
mod6: As I understood, we didn't wanna use that becuse one wouldn't be able to read the disclaimer or the "begin-base64 644 <FILENAME>" to see what the deed actually contained
mircea_popescu: {This blob is so and so : [then large pile of stuff]}signed
mircea_popescu: and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ?
mod6: i guess to me, that meant clearsigning a pgp signed message. guess i didn't try that.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ? << good question. i think you might just be able to armor.
mircea_popescu: well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works.
mircea_popescu: hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad.
mod6: $ cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz | gpg --armor
mod6: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
mod6: gpg: processing message failed: eof
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works. << thanks!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad. << ah ok.
mod6: so anyway, lemme see if i can get this working the way I wanted with base64, i must be doing something wrong here.
mod6: this seems insane to me.
mod6: ok yup, im just mental
mod6: so it turns out that base64 binary kinda wants nothing to do with those beginning and ending markers.
mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok.
☟︎ mod6: yeah, header and footer.
mod6: if you get rid of the 'begin-base64 ...' line and the ending '====', then you can use base64 to decode, no problem.
mod6: i was just oblivious to this.
mod6: sorry for the noise.
BingoBoingo: In other "bathroom and too many dollars are getting printed lulz" a product exists called "bluetooth speaker bathroom fan with led light" intended to be installed as your bathroom's exhaust fan...
mod6: alright, got a way to grab what's between the header & footer with sed:
mod6: cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -e '1,/begin-base64/d' -e '/====/,$d' | base64 -d > buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
mod6: will update the V99994 script and start a new test cycle.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:15 mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:47 mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey thanks.
mod6: let me try that out
mod6: i tried the -i, ignore garbage, during my earlier tour ; didn't seem to do what i hoped.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:01 BingoBoingo: And the water eggogs out
ben_vulpes: annoying theme of the article: "according to documents seen by the guardian"
ben_vulpes: i don't take shit on anyone's word anymore
ben_vulpes: you either bring scans and let them stand or you bring unsubstantiated claims
mircea_popescu: aww, you don't take the agitprop at face value, terrorist ?
ben_vulpes: and you're the guaaaardian you backed greenwald gtfo
ben_vulpes: actually greenwald schmeenwald you backed *anyone* who suggested the use of anything other than RSA.
mircea_popescu: according to documents seen by mp, the guardian publishes anything for a double hamburger.
ben_vulpes: the thing features stock photos of leo from the movie and the obligatory noble j-school ho
a111: Logged on 2016-03-30 22:30 mats: i look forward to moar attack surface
ben_vulpes: oh man the thing even has a "sign the papers" moment
ben_vulpes: oh sorry am i distracting from the fiddy cents of btc bitfinex lost?
shinohai: i always miss these opportunities to make easy BTC, i knew that one xD
mircea_popescu: funny thing being, at the time i was running a sort of digg (well, much better, but anyway) in romanian, and people could actually cash out, via btc. a few did, not massive sums at the time, but massive sums in btc.
mircea_popescu: sooo, is lybia going to bomb the us now, to put obama in a cage, and hang himlater, while "giving a chance to democracy" in that country ?
mircea_popescu: seems the us is pretty ripe for giving the people a voice etc.
phf: trinque: so your bot has a bunch of string matches for things that come back from nickserv, but they are all stripped of special characters. like "nick has been ghosted." what i get back is "^Anick^A has been ghosted." is that some setting i'm missing? or something else?
trinque: phf: did the paster eat those? I have them too
trinque: phf: probably better to just get sasl in there
phf: sasl is made of fail
mircea_popescu: it's literally, "fail" read out by the wodewick roman guy
phf: sasl doesn't ghost, it renames you, and when you rename back, it asks you to identify
phf: eh, i'm not too worried about it, i'm playing "spot the eastern european" game at the ocean city board walk. tall check, skinny check, fit check, not surrounded by 4 bros check. there are some easy matches though. fat +100 to american. not busted, but with a black guy +100 slav.
mats: 'Not even the ones managed and attented* by ethically* Asian people' << is this intentional or?
mats: i am not surprised DFAS is fucked up, i'd guess 1 in 10 soldiers see pay issues during their enlistment
mats: some - don't see them resolved until they exit service
mats: i didn't see a deposit clear until 3 months into training (good thing i didn't really need it, had enough cash to buy running shoes and what not)
mircea_popescu: add in all the various tax and "education" easements + medical care etc.
mircea_popescu: when doing degree of magnitude evaluation we do degree of magnitude.
phf: mircea_popescu: various signs of often irreversible degradation, corn rows, track marks, gaudy tattoos
mircea_popescu: ie, "appearance in according to greater russian code" ? :P
mats: also endemic problems with the travel system and reimbursements
mircea_popescu: also endemic problems with procurement. weren't famblies sending silly string over because dod can't afford ?
phf: mircea_popescu: "busted" == "not approved by phf"
mats: NCOs would routinely get fucked and have to cover out of pocket because the vouchers wouldn't clear fast enough
mats: yes, i also heard about the silly string
mats: and polymer magazines
mats: and ... its a long list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the pretence that "it's not because we're poor, it's because of the sandbugs" is ENTIRELY rural belle ego protection and naught else.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously the sputniks made a plane that could fly for 1/100 the "cost".
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm somewhat puzzled that NOBODY said a single word re new trilema header.
mircea_popescu: because we collectively lost our shit hiar while making it and kept laughing convulsively for many hours.
mircea_popescu: " has definitely been awake since i wrote to him (he has new material on his site)" << i took this to mean site was ded previously ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : hano bock (the deceitful shitbag) drives slightly less traffic via his twitter / t.co/bcrxVsVoe5 than phuctor does via its faq page.
mircea_popescu: from which we infer shitbags lose and phuctor > twitter.
mircea_popescu: they also have a rule about bombing rogue states that steal $5bn out of people's wealth to pay cronies.
mircea_popescu: perhaps notable for the device : a) the ~rights~ without any encumberances of real estate named goes on to new owner ; b) anyone currently living there is now renting from new owner, no matter what title they thought they had ; c) anyone fucking with this gets 10 years hard labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the fact that 99% of it is bucharest, it's entirely certain they were picked by personal invidy.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, bucharest scarcely accounted for a fifth of the country's real estate ; and most of it was shit anyway when compared with the 3-5 century old stuff in transylvania.
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the workings of that thing, if you took out a loan + mortgage to buy a house ; the house did go on to be owned by X, but you kept the mortgage.
mircea_popescu: the principle is fundamental to any such activity. the usg will obviously still owe on all its obligations, such as social security. it will however not have any right to perceive any income. and anyone involved is personally responsible - with their own fat, personally - of the exact execution of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, gotta make sure one expropriates the socialists in the proper manner such is done. ie, as they themselves do it.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 14:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your call, because the matter is quite acute : is it a safer system to demand 8kb entropy/second and hash 12 times ? or to demand say 128bytes/second and hash 768 times ?
PeterL: would be better than just reusing the one otp over a bunch of times?
PeterL: maybe I misunderstood what MP was suggesting?
PeterL: Anybody else watch olympic opening ceremony? There was about a minute of fun brazillian dancing and hours of boringness and a stupid tribute to global warming. Bleh.
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: dfgg_ voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: wasteful to pass N bytes of otp for each N bytes of message?
mircea_popescu: PeterL reusing an otp straight makes bothering with the whole scheme kinda pointless ; hashing an old otp to generate a new otp is perhaps dubious, but in widespread use. (it's more or less what a "deterministic" wallet is, for instance)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand that if you never hash them, you might as well not use them at all and simply rsa the actual message back and forth. as appealing as the idea is in theory, it's not workable in practice because even with a game as relaxed as eulora, it'll still be too laggy.
mircea_popescu: yeah there are some advantages. but half second is too much to delay a game message for encryption, and you won't be able to fit two passes in .5 s
mircea_popescu: worth checking this, if you have an actual c implementation anywhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway : the rsa/otp scheme is also bw-wasting, up to a factor of 2 if no hashing, or otherwise depending on how many hash passes, with 20 it's just 1.05 ie 5% more bw etc.
mircea_popescu: there's also a subtle point here, which is : that if we indeed use a otp-and-hash scheme, this in fact puts whatever hash scheme we use to work.
mircea_popescu: ie, it'd be silly to correctly engineer this system in the sense of minimalism, as we're more interested in it testing our tools.
mircea_popescu: afaik nobody to date deployed keccak on any sort of large scale anything for any purpose over any duration. unless someone else knows ?
mircea_popescu: (and for the governance-minded log reader : yeah, the above is literally me in my capacity as ceo making a strategic choice that puts the best interest of shareholders second, after the interest of the republic. it literally subsidizes republican research at the expense of s.mg's bottom line. not only is this common in my practice - i hold it to be both required and unavoidable, and if "that's not how you'd run a corp" you're
mircea_popescu: either an ashole or an idiot. but in any case if oyu don't like it you can get stuffed. bitbet pays for miner cartelisation detection and minigame pays for hash research and so on and so forth.)
mircea_popescu: it won't get out of it unless and until we start putting it in things.
mircea_popescu: i do. but it is how people are enticed to read code , and think about what they read.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 2 tests complete both passed
mod6: thanks for checking that out
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Detroitiscrap.com finally shut down. - Niggermania.NET" << apparently there was a detroit lafond.