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ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 19:08:58 lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?
lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-03 00:22:13 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958692 - you had said the next would how V enters the picture. Is that still the plan ? did you expand and roll the spec you had in mind in there ?
jfw: As best I could determine for my spec, this is an unavoidable consequence of the design of bitcoin transactions. Specifically what's required: address (as an identifier for the private key from a set of multiple; if you just have one then of course this is trivial); txid, output index within that tx, and value,
jfw: 2. I forget if I mentioned it in my spec but my code shuffles the order of transaction outputs, for obfuscation or general "why not". Is this reasoanble / acceptable?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958692 - you had said the next would how V enters the picture. Is that still the plan ? did you expand and roll the spec you had in mind in there ?
mircea_popescu: So IMHO it's worth stating in the documentation that some command is expected to have certain flags available, which in the end would lead us to a complete enumeration of system utilities and the functionality they provide, which IMHO would be worth at least as much as the current POSIX spec. << this btw is eminently a service and likely to produce the way forward.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:08:08 mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, s
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:38 mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958151 - hm, yeah. it did seem that I was forcing it a bit. I just now brought up the eulora comms protocol and tmsr rsa specs as first examples that came to mind to drive your point home further. I ought to have taken
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957405 << i meant it only as a brief status update, though i should not have included the png without additional context (the line numbers are clickable and the URL anchors are to your spec, e.g. #S2-L10)
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-01-17 diana_coman: jfw: fyi, I got around to build Gales and it seems to have built fine on a CentOS 6 with gcc 4.9.4; there was just a short wtf moment when the... tar cmd failed; it turns out that the --sort option is available only from tar V 1.28 while my local tar is ... 1.23; I didn't see any version spec in the prerequisites though probably my CentOS 6 is about as old everything as one gets nowadays
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, thinking now about it, I think there might be, namely the more directly game-relevant parts that are also not yet fully spec (eg character, structure/item etc); I need to go over it in this light, put the graphics to the side for now and see from there.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955697 << which is a major pillar of why a foundation was even contemplated in the original "wtf to do" spec.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:55:19 jfw: mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )
jfw opens up the spec PDF he had lying on HDD, is reminded it's 2500 pages
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 07:32:01 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?
mircea_popescu: jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?
diana_coman: the spec doesn't say more than "queue" there.
diana_coman goes to re-read spec.
spyked: well, it doesn't look at comment numbering or anything. also, it doesn't make any distinction between comments and posts, it's just feed entries, as per the spec
jfw: mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )
lobbes: yeah, no timestamps in orig spec iirc
mircea_popescu: it was the orig spec
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/feed-bot-spec-proposal << The Tar Pit -- Feed bot spec proposal
spyked bbl, will post feedbot spec later today
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 06:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings,
lobbes: But still, python-istic at the core (which does comply with your original spec).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:27:30 mircea_popescu: any preferences re spec ?
mircea_popescu: any preferences re spec ?
spyked: well, I'll ruminate a bit on the whole thing and write a proposal for the bot spec. should provide a structured starting point at the very least.
spyked: lly not worth supporting the current (very lax) rss spec. minimally, feed items should contain at least the stuff that's being spat currently in the chans by the bot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:57:45 diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949269 <-- hm, I'd keep that distinct from the bot spec (which'd spec bot inputs/outputs and behaviour), but it does bring to light the question of whether feedbot should accept non-mp-wp-style feeds. on one hand I might want to subscribe to heathen feeds on the internets. on the other, the rift is growing anyway (e.g. feedbot doesn't do https), so it's pro
diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
spyked: okay, I'll post a spec sometime in the next coupla weeks. guess I didn't post one back in 2018/early 2019 since closest denominator I had was deedbot rss and just used that.
diana_coman: ftr I do enjoy reading otherwise your crisp descriptions there but as they build up, in the end I'll still have to summarise & basically extract a "spec" out of them.
diana_coman: would help to have ...one spec, lol; at least it would help me, what can I say.
spyked: re. spec, I think there was an earlier trilema post on rss, I tried to dig it yesterday but couldn't find it. I think http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-manual is the closest thing to a spec, but it's a spec for commands, not for other behaviours. bot behaviour is otherwise documented in http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-i (and ii and iii in the same series)
diana_coman: spyked: btw is there a spec for feedbot?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 10:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings,
BingoBoingo: "Rechazamos el TCCPC recibido el 22/10/19 y las imputaciones alli realizadas. Asimismo, intimamos pago de pago de precio convenido segun clausula 8 y anexos del contrato marco de servicios de technologia,"... Wank, wank, wank they want paid on a schedule now FASTER than spec'd in the contract for not doing what they promised in the contract.
asciilifeform: the sad dc i talked to earlier, was same. i suspect is how they meet thermal density spec.
BingoBoingo: And he seems to have a motivation to perform to spec in order to get more business referred to him.
asciilifeform: for what, exactly ? to meet the spec of a fella who aint even subscribing ?
BingoBoingo: Many sectors of the Fat Forehead party are using potato footage in their ads. Can't even spec spammy blowjob footage quality Xiaomi or Huawei cameras that happen to have radios.
mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings,
asciilifeform: i'm not even making a joke against mp , perhaps he's right that somewhere there lives the hero with 8 hands who can do all of this on spec.
BingoBoingo: Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Picking a coordinate on a timeline spec'd with "as soon as" seems like a rush if the circumstances aren't forcing it.
mp_en_viaje: be that as it may : one particularly inept internet provider in costa rica (whom i suspect by now is just a local-dressup verizon or coxco or somesuch rural midwestern bs) failed to deliver to spec ; were warned to either immediately remedy or else (which they ignored) ; were ordered to close the contract (which they claimed they did) ; sent a further bill, which was returned with lolz (they responded by pointing out that contract c
asciilifeform: esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from.
lobbes: Add in the feedback cycle, digging into mpwp mysql guts, new additions to spec tacked on (here I would link to various documented pieces on blog, if I had a working one) and I don't come anywhere close to 5-hours. It will be serving Trilema, and it is needed to be correct in one go; no do-overs. My reputation's on the line here. Spot of work my foot!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:13:21 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 17:35:49 asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways.
mp_en_viaje: and to continue that list : the "not nato" line in the original spec defo not asset. we ate the cost of orcistan, but gained (through whoever's fault, leaving this aside) no upside from orcistan. we have no priviledged connection past what somone off the street yesterday would have, but we do have massive headache with eg supplies.
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
asciilifeform: kinda like that samsung air conditioner, built with flammable coolant to europistani spec despite moar than half being sold in usa
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rright but for some reason most of the brasil people build vaguely to usa spec, historically
billymg: mircea_popescu: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-50
mircea_popescu: meh, this half-expressed back and forth spec.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938151 << there is such a thing implemented, specifically in the auctionbot spec for #eulora (say your line on the hour but only if there's been chatter since last saying). something very similar can also work here, "a new day starts when there's been silence for x time"). while clocks drift, they don't also diverge, not on the sort of scales here contemplated.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938089 << it was my fucking spec, wtf.
mircea_popescu: it's philosophically fraught, because as per the spec a rating of 0 should convey that the rater deems he can answer NO questions about the ratee. in which case... why is it a rating.
mircea_popescu: this is so ; but for the sake of sanity im not gonna spec significant changes in the middle of implementing a differen tspec.
billymg: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-49 << mircea_popescu: i now see what you mean about the pingbacks supporting the extra selection parameters but i'm still not sure what is meant by "trashing the whole trilema trackback pile as extant, and having them re-done in the new manner"
lobbes: asciilifeform: well, mircea_popescu's spec all of the lines are to appear on mp-wp articles (hence, the database piece is the backend for mp-wp, which is mysql)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:17:58 mircea_popescu: "Needless to say, I am unamused ; and, to answer the original inquiry in firmer terms containing no ifs or buts : no, I personally have no further interest in hearing what phf may have to say on any topic. The time for "ok then, I will get my logger to spec by X date and hope to have my blog up by Y date" came and went, sometime yesterday.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934235 <-- iirc the irc spec states that server sends ping when client is idle. src: http://archive.is/2pGUp#selection-2315.60-2315.386 (should be under 4.6.2 Ping message)
lobbes: ok, well confirmed that both the znc2tmsr and irssi2tmsr converters output to spec re: action lines. Looks like it is just the raw log knob. I will dig into it, fix, and patch
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:57:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=scales&e=sizes#select
asciilifeform: trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
asciilifeform: ^ hm mircea_popescu , do you think bots oughta ignore outputs of bots ? ( i deliberately did not, as specifically requested in mircea_popescu's spec ; but it would be a trivial change )
mircea_popescu: yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass.
diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
feedbot: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec
asciilifeform: only if you actually want backlinkage resembling phf's ( iirc mircea_popescu put it in spec, and even griped that it aint in yet , not long ago )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 06:59:30 mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
asciilifeform tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid )
asciilifeform: interesting. spec seems to say they ought not, so i suspect not erry browser sends
billymg: re: blog work, i'm about to head out for the weekend, back early next week. i'll be able to bang out some more test coverage based on mircea_popescu's spec on the trip and put together a status/roadmap post when i get back
mircea_popescu: imo a correct tagging mechanism is the one item missing from http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/
mircea_popescu: "Needless to say, I am unamused ; and, to answer the original inquiry in firmer terms containing no ifs or buts : no, I personally have no further interest in hearing what phf may have to say on any topic. The time for "ok then, I will get my logger to spec by X date and hope to have my blog up by Y date" came and went, sometime yesterday.
asciilifeform: seems to spec a somewhat diff item than originally contemplated tho ( where all userland proggies are guaranteed to get, if slowly, actual unique FG bits )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:27:55 mp_en_viaje: billymg, http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/ << Trilema -- What is a blog ? Complete spec inside!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re the log indices, there's a deeper q, that i'd like to lay out and ask mp_en_viaje to actually take halfhr+ to think about, with brain in full throttle, before answering, cuz it is very easy to spec this in such a way that asciilifeform's (or anyone's) pair of hands will not in fact be long enuff or fast enuff to handle
mp_en_viaje: billymg, http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:29:47 mp_en_viaje: billymg, im actually working on a universal blog spec. it atm looks like
mp_en_viaje: billymg, im actually working on a universal blog spec. it atm looks like
mp_en_viaje: wtf pile of eyesore and assorted sadness html spec turns out to have been. all sorts of dangling nonsense a la above, it's the one midden that'll say the least flatterinfg things about humanity to the future archeologist.
lobbes: in my spec before, I was going for something that took the data from the logbot db
mircea_popescu: not what the spec ~actually~ satys, but i guess you went per tradition.
mircea_popescu: no i;m saying, current behaviour is corrdct but not per spec