tmsr - Log 2019-10-24

asciilifeform: aaand that noad ( 205.134.172.4 , mp's demo box ) synced. 500+ blox in <5h, notbad.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947811 <-- me too, though not sure when (if) that's going to happen. fwiw, I'm also using current saltmine to steal experience standing up systems, though that practice is slowly on its way to getting killed here as well, as intelisms (on the hw side) and kubernetes (on the sw) start gaining ground

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 11:10:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << i'd luvv to see an l1 rack in ro, spyked ! keep in mind tho that asciilifeform 'cheats', has long existing experience buying irons, automated filler for rk's, many yrs in salt mines where set up, maintained, racks of irons, networkisms.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 08:07:58 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947814 <-- not sure what's gained by this, other than making sure that the mind-boggling weirdness doesn't occur. v.pl init downloads patches and seals, so the verification process still relies on the keys already being there. tho I'll admit, wget -r is not the best

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 14:12:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks.

mp_en_viaje: heya spyked

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.

mp_en_viaje: re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 leaving aside how it belonged in the orig thing, not as an afterthought, and focusing on the znc -c thing : there is a GREAT advantage of www-for-config over command-line-for-config that can not be underscored enough :

mp_en_viaje: www permits you to select, visually, a few target spots in a sea of possible target spots with default populations ; command line takes you through a serialization of the same thing.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947852 <-- quite. I did a search for cl jobs a coupla years ago and... derp (wtf, it took 10 mins to archive this)

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:56:34 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years.

mp_en_viaje: it can be argued that this is the ~principal~ utility of www in the first place, that it permits things such as "reading trilema" only as a 2ndary bolt on. what it's for is to turn a half hour trudge into a five second job.

mp_en_viaje: spyked, i suspect archive.is may be going south.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << lest this passes forgotten into the logs : other people are ~other people~, not supporting cast for your insanity. "hiring" is not this process whereby you scare up a scapegoat for later, what, you'll "hire" him for the job of being later "promoted in the field" to do a job you don't know how to do and are too petrified to try, child toeing the water from the safety of the shore ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.

mp_en_viaje: delegation works on tasks you've mastered, not on tasks you've no fucking idea how to do. there's a great component of "get hired aka apprentice with masters" in tmsr, don't fuck it up with dumb lazy precious cuntlet antics

mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.

spyked: mp_en_viaje, it does this once in a while: the archival job is placed in a wait-queue and takes a while to process. problem is that this worked only on the 2nd try, 1st one returned a 503. so prolly they're overloaded or something.

mp_en_viaje: possibly. it's been underperforming systematically and ramping up to my eye.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, baking a reply to the comment. I was not entirely without that suspicion. They just hit so many of the local "Flavor of Aunt dumb filters" that the tone of the brain dump was overpowered by that.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947954 << always forgotten ? or only i forgot. ( looked in archive, and in fact when mp gave me boxes he always remembered to fp. it's quite necessary. )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 06:52:51 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 07:57:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, mp always remembers it; he's been so far the exception though ( I had to ask for the fp from pizarro; I had to ask for it from mivocloud etc); still unclear how is this detailed account relevant but anyways.

asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng'

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947977 << this holds in context of apprenticeship, but where else ? hire auto mechanic only if you are auto mechanic yourself ?!

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters

asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix this nonsense , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 01:02:38 asciilifeform: discovered today -- similarly to earlier find -- that his new ip range once housed a (long-dead) 'nudecelebritease.com' .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and lolwtf

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947956 << This is incredibly common among the local shingle hangers. Kinda why despite seeming to care more for the damned's interests that my own... I wanted other folks to read that into the situation before saying the words myself.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 03:59:17 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947953 << 3 to 4 years is an extreme outlier locally, would require marching through all the appellate courts with an intensity normally only PIT-CNT (Local Labor Mother Organization) and foreign (i.e. with money) investors have the endurance for.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 00:31:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting post. seems to be exactly as mp predicted.

BingoBoingo: Surveying the local lawyers, most... to the extent they specialize stick to the popular bread and butter of family law, criminal defense, real estate (construction and rental as sub specialties), and the most routine sorts of contracts.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp did warn, that the only way to get ~genuine~ (vs 'meal ticket') legal service is to retain and groom for loyalty a trusted specialist for yrs.

asciilifeform: and this still only worx if sumthing like sane jurisdiction, ~and~ troo specialist, ~and~ actually loyal...

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I came into the first one through having paid them for sit down to discuss the residency process. Things never got further than paying fot the sit down in that case as their rate for help with places I have to go myself anyways was rather rich for the task, but they were incredibly responsive and un-Uruguayo. I hope I left them with the impression that I pay for value.

BingoBoingo: Other than the offering of coffee from one of those pod-machines, the office cultures observed could not be more different.

BingoBoingo: Then there's the specialist gringo/Brit firms advertising to the "escape out of the US for the Switzerland of the Americas" scam crowd.

BingoBoingo: Which are different and unsuited to any actual task, the want more for even less than the Uruguayos.

BingoBoingo: The impression I got from the guy Monday is that he, personally, was bored for a want of interesting work.

BingoBoingo: And he seems to have a motivation to perform to spec in order to get more business referred to him.

BingoBoingo: As I was saying, very un-Uruguayo office culture. It's not as ideal as a cultivated relationship with an independent, but for my failure to have that... this seems to be the next best option for having leverage.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - that would have been such an outlier reply that I'd have at least taken the time to both talk in more detail to the guy AND report it for sure; can confirm: no, nobody came anywhere close to replying such a thing.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters

diana_coman: I really suspect this would have been an asciilifeform-like reply only, though.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947998 - yes, sometimes namely when it fits/is easy given their current setup and so on; certainly.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:38:04 asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix this nonsense , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 01:02:38 asciilifeform: discovered today -- similarly to earlier find -- that his new ip range once housed a (long-dead) 'nudecelebritease.com' .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and lolwtf

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.

mod6: BingoBoingo: Caught up on the comments from yesterdays post. Does seem like the 1st guy is the better option here.

mod6: If I read between the lines, sounds like the telegram has been sent? Or am I mis-reading what "screws" means?

BingoBoingo: Continue being a model plaintiff while standing in front of the arrayed tools which are absolutely ready to disproportionately impose costs on the damned faster than they are acrued.

mod6: It sounds like you have formally retained the 1st guy as our lawyer, is this correct?

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - also, wouldn't this have belonged as a comment there really? or some reason to comment on... feedbot's announcements?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters

asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you have feedbot-comments set up ? ( i for instance do not, yet, tho afaik after recent fix my www supports comment-rss )

BingoBoingo: mod6: He knows I was/am auditioning other counsel too, but is willing to act in order to preserve my advantage in tiempos.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: noted, henceforth will comment there. ( in asciilifeform's pov is easier to follow comments in log, but really decision of author )

mod6: So it sounds like the third group is more in the audit business; are there other 'auditions' already setup, or a few that you are in discussion with currently, or have targeted for discussion?

BingoBoingo: mod6: The third one fell apart when they mentioned they were audit specialists and got very Uruguayo. At this moment I have no other auditions lined up.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, and now I think I got what you meant earlier re feedbot-comments and yes: I have feedbot announcing to me in private the comments on my blog too, certainly; works great, too!

BingoBoingo: I am confident that if the first guy was in the US, his hourly... would be far higher.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece.

asciilifeform: !Qlater tell spyked can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty

mod6: So while you're just 'continuing to be a model plaintiff...', is the idea that our lawyer is going to review the facts from the compiled case-file/complaint that you've gathered while he gets his complaint strategy in order? As my assumption is that he'll want to have a meeting with 'the damned' and their lawyers before filing a motion with the court?

asciilifeform: mod6: afaik (ianal!) is how settlements are made, by 'meeting with the damned'

diana_coman: asciilifeform: all you need to do is to tell feedbot !1 follow loper-os/comments/feed or whatever the rss is; re your blog I suspect the comments-in-here is precisely because of the xor hurdle.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps )

mod6: asciilifeform: werd, just trying to get clairification on what's expected, next steps. Perhaps we can continue to clean up Piz while BB may have some laywer-downtime for a few days.

BingoBoingo: mod6: His mission in communicating with the damned is making the hopelessness of their situation clear. To this end his is to use every tool available to make it clear that no matter what, the damned will pay far more than the remainder of the contract. After that... you know what they say about plans and contact with the enemy...

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty. ( further re traps, imho e.g. python -c "print 11 ^ 77" aint much of hurdle )

mod6: BingoBoingo: What does his timeline look like on this, did he give you any kind of estimate to when he would begin 'communication with the damned'?

BingoBoingo: mod6: If the damned refuses to settle costs WILL be imposed on them. How many and what kind depend on how annoyingly they continue to demonstrate badfaith.

mod6: Thanks for the info. Sounds like he'll be letting you know, updating you on a regular basis as to what he's hears, etc.

BingoBoingo: Contact with the enemy and all that. Anyways, there are ways to inflict costs on the damned without actually suing over the civil matter. Like a criminal fraud complaint.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the inflicted-costs aint even detectable except over geological timespam, tho, it dun do much for us

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Second order effects. Very relevant to the damned, and they will accrue costs very quickly.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I filed the police report for the apparent theft. The officer read the potential for fraud into my narrative.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but the fraud wasn't actually in the text of the 1st ? so then gotta file 2nd

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All that went into the first "hecho policial" was what the officer read out of mine narrative, not what I actually wrote. The second, far more damaging to the damned complaint comes if they refuse to deal and contain their liability.

BingoBoingo: If the truly damaging denuncia is filed before they can sit down... kinda spoils the sitting down. Once a denuncia is filed it goes to the local prosecutors office.

BingoBoingo: The Monday guy, through his holding down the Montevideo outpost of an international... He benefits from big firm forced professional development. He know the ways Uruguay sucks compared to the outside world and the ways it doesn't because he's been forced to travel.

BingoBoingo: The meeting with him also opened with a FAR harder grilling than the meeting with apparently opposition counsel did.

mod6: Would this be a good time to calculate, then refund Piz customers who've paid in advance?

BingoBoingo: mod6: This weekend I hope to get the opportunity to sit down and do the accounting. Last weekend my hope to do so was beaten by time consuming yet time sensitive legaling.

BingoBoingo: Pretty sure I said this before, but is was nice to be able to read the whole of this country's penal code in a few hours.

asciilifeform: mod6, BingoBoingo : afaik the refund for subscribers is the 1 equation w/out any unknowns. so oughta happen as soon as BingoBoingo is ready.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : thinking about it, i realized i have nfi what the priority order of creditors is. thought, 'customers go 1st' strictly from example of bitbet unwind.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I will get the numbers, but my naive understanding is debt before equity. Customers before other equity. But first I have to do the numbers.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do the books, but imho oughta get mp's pov before actually paying anyone.

asciilifeform: unrelatedly : seems 213.109.238.156 is new trb noad, in kiev ? who built? seems to actually work, a++

diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, that comment certainly works better there (and answered!); no idea re node in kiev.

asciilifeform meanwhile found a : 'Cogent Communications is a public company trading on the NASDAQ under the symbol CCOI. Cogent is headquartered in Washington, D.C., United States of America.' from horse's mouth.

asciilifeform: aand 'Although debuting at the height of the telecom industry, Cogent soon found vast market wealth eradicated and many other ISPs thrown into a state of turmoil. In a survival of the fittest competition, Cogent became the consolidator in a consolidating market. Over three brief years, Cogent completed 13 acquisitions of other flailing providers. Whether it was an entire company or just select assets, Cogent was able to acquire valua

asciilifeform: ble network assets, customers, peering relationships and building access agreements for pennies on the dollar.'

asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs.

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948109 << it's mine, installed in my ancestral home (and not kiev, no). it switched from -connect to independent mode only yesterday, so i'd let it work for at least a month before advertising it as a stable node.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 18:07:31 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : seems 213.109.238.156 is new trb noad, in kiev ? who built? seems to actually work, a++

BingoBoingo had a productive day. So far. Sat down with the fellow who recommended yesterday's audition. Told him that I was letting him know as a courtesy that after the meeting I developed the strong suspicion that the recommended fellow was the other party's counsel. That I don't know how good his relationship with the fellow is, but that I do not mind, and it may even help me if he warns the fellow that in the case I have been

BingoBoingo deceived... I intend to pursue the revocation of his law license through the relevant authorties.

mp_en_viaje had a great fucking time tonite.

mp_en_viaje: also look at this, "ddos". all cz interfaces are dead, solid.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm pretty much sold on 'aint no ddos, but only sad czechs' item.

mp_en_viaje: the ddos consists of the same exact substance highway of traffic jams -- czech republic's always "ddosd" late evening

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile routing through austria is, well... laggy.

mp_en_viaje: cuz like 45 hops

mp_en_viaje: satlink even worse. in fact, satlinks are a major pain in the fucking ass, i have nfi why even bother

mp_en_viaje: "oh, clouds" "bitch, what ?! it's fucking clear" "oh no, no, ~ionospheric~ coulds" "fuck your mother,.

asciilifeform knows folx who use'em, but is strictly because they live in the middle of woods, or at sea, where 0 other choice but to suck thumb. no one actually ~likes~ sat modem

mp_en_viaje: i thought it was cool, last time i seriously tried one, which was like... many years ago.

mp_en_viaje: it's not fucking cool, it's the death of a thousand cuts.

asciilifeform: imho it's 'cool' in only the sense e.g. halon system is 'cool'. i.e. when ~need~ and nuffin else will do. at all other times horror.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947994 << i do.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:25:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947977 << this holds in context of apprenticeship, but where else ? hire auto mechanic only if you are auto mechanic yourself ?!

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.

mp_en_viaje: but in context of tmsr. again -- because there;s a heavy undertone here of "hire yourself out as apprentice" which i don't particularly want fucked.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948009 << it's always a crapshoot. you can get counsel worth millions through springing for a $500 nothing. eminent lottery ticket, only comparable to picking up girlfriends. famously (if fantastically) frank sinatra picked up the woman that died for him through buying her a ten dollar bus ticket.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948056 << he's not adding it, you add it, gotta subscribe to the feed. dunno about your own setup but on mp-wp it's something like !1subscribe http://thewhet.net/comments/feed/ or such.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948101 << i'll sort it for you if you have a specific set that needs sorting. i dun wanna make general pronouncements, more trouble than worth.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:50:53 asciilifeform: ...and if you actually have the budget to even try.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 13:46:54 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell spyked can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948112 << lizards & pension funds.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 16:46:49 asciilifeform: ( just who owns cogent co ? anyone know ? )

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948116 << ayup, precisely, usg paper asset thing, holding up a notional market.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 16:49:48 asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs.

mp_en_viaje: neways, ima to bed. megapost tomorrow sometime, if i can dig myself out of the slutpile. have a great time erryone & all!