mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> jurov: fuck flow. 100kg of copper hedgehog is the ticket. << with dildo attachments!
mircea_popescu: actually keyboard microbellows not so bad an idea! put those heavy duty springs to good use!
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you could sell bean stu and converted enema kits.
mircea_popescu: you totally need to start running a blog and stop ugc-ing your productions away to the usg.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to have hurt trilema any, but each his own.
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mircea_popescu: it occurs to the harem assembled in congress that there should be such a thing as "whore's dew", and it should be an after shave.
shinohai: "Whore's dew" sounds like an item in Eulora.
mircea_popescu: whoa nelly that's a first factor! and of a proper exponent (65537(
☟︎ mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform we've got a whole new bidniss here!
mircea_popescu: 2009-11-03 1kb key, seems to have been in earnest use at some point back then
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, the specific scam in question is that ~lists~ are copyrightable no matter their components, and these cocksuckers are trying to make LISTS of ancient / public domain / copyright freee items and then perversely claim copyright in them because "it's in our list", which is a bullshit claim but then again the us entirely runs on vapors and bullshit claims.
mircea_popescu: somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in any case, i recall seeing in here reported the last 3 items there. and 4tyh. and 5th. can't be ~half now can it.
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, blondy in train, puts her samsonite up, sits down, next movement of the train the thing falls on her head.
mircea_popescu: ^ in lulzy romanian drama, local "intellectual" wipes his blog within minutes of trilema article.
shinohai: No better way to observe memorial day than dress only in a flag.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you just favour peculiar brands of necrophillia
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not one to normate the pleasures of others. if you're happy with her, who cares she died a while ago.
mircea_popescu: theirs were also properly called vellum rolls, rather than books.
mircea_popescu: much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 10:58 mircea_popescu: somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is broadly "just as *you* never knew ancient greek, don't come and tell *me* that you still read books" - with the very clear point that the author can and might read books just as they can and might read ancient Greek, but that's not to say anything about the general public who won't read one just as they can't/won't read the other
diana_coman: heh, ancient mp-ism already, could be, lol
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 14:06 mircea_popescu: much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my understanding is that this will however not be the case in 10 years or less basically
diana_coman: it's not that books were dead 15 years ago but that they are dead now
diana_coman: hm, I think the point was that *content* of books worth saving is saved through inclusion/discussion on blogs
diana_coman: hence content is still there, kids can still learn just as previous kids learnt
diana_coman: hm, don't know; fwiw I was (I think it's still there even) arguing against the original article in Romanian along your current lines really
diana_coman: I think I took it also very literally at that time (and myeah, I was *very* fond of books)
diana_coman: well, then it should better be/be brought ?
diana_coman: basically it's a statement of facts: books are dead people, so if you want all the good and pretty to survive, best move it already
diana_coman: uhm, so what, every derp can (and DOES) print his own books of shit
diana_coman: plenty of "self-published" grand authors successes etc
diana_coman: well, that's already going into the reason why books are dead, so in any case you accept then that yes, books certainly ARE dead and that was the original point of the article as I read it really
diana_coman: dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
☟︎ diana_coman: hm, that links to me to some authors' observation that writing digitally destroys the quality of the writing because you can modify more easily what you write, hence they'd rather use a typewriter /write in ink as it "forces" them to think it through before writing it down
diana_coman: to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that
diana_coman: in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay
diana_coman: plus it's probably not really all that cheap to have your own blog as in truly nobody can bring it down etc
diana_coman: well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such
diana_coman: in other words: the only solution to *that* is to..not feed /starve the rats
diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
☟︎ diana_coman: I mean: if I choose to write on paper because I like it or whatever I'm in love with paper, fine; but if I do it because of rats than all is lost already
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
diana_coman: well yes, not enough filters + too many idiots -> overwhelmed , certainly
diana_coman: but you started from "online is not good" and then got onto " because rats"
diana_coman: so either you imply that one should use something else because of rats or otherwise no, online is perfectly good, just kill the rats
diana_coman: they dampen anything where they thrive, that's why they are rats, no?
diana_coman: heh, there was this discussion which might perhaps be interesting to you re freedom on trilema vs censorship of comments on public forums etc
diana_coman: the gist of it being that rats basically do not *want* to comment on trilema for too long because they find it...very uncomfortable; so yes, they have full liberty to come and shit there and be slapped with a hammer in return, sure
diana_coman: uhm, I found tons of shit on old pages too, maybe I just read too much through my grand parents' old books or something
diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
☟︎ diana_coman: I think rats will also find it increasingly hard economically to do much on the net
diana_coman: my experience so far though has been time and time again that rats simply do not enjoy/survive areas /groups /vicinity of too many people who are clean basically
diana_coman: certainly, my point was not that cleanliness is a way of exterminating rats but rather that cleanliness is a very good indicator of whether you find rats there or not, hence whether worth bothering with some output from there or not
diana_coman: yes, question is: are they able to take over or do they get their tails burnt
diana_coman: life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform> but this is not enough, you actually need the old books. <- this was not contested really; the fact that books are dead doesn't mean that old books are all useless all of a sudden
diana_coman: I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;
phf: the way i understood that old books thread is that there's no focus on building libraries, i.e. old books as an accumulation of artifacts, but where you get your own knowledge is up to you. so if ascii is keeping a collection of scanz and gives me a copy, it's both purely between us and also about ~my~ education as a cause of ascii's action
phf: there will be no great library of tmsr, but on the other hand no accumulation and exchange of amulets and fetishes of knowledge, because the last can be subverted in all kinds of ways we've seen already.
☟︎ phf: pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay
☟︎ phf: the people who bought up all the symbolics keyboards to connect to their gaming pcs, because "dude retro switch action"
phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
☟︎ phf: expensive trucks reaffirm your masculinity, of course
phf: apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago
☟︎ phf: i just remember it being outrageous
mircea_popescu: ah. lol. so i guess i write to host warning that if this happens again they lose the contract,
mircea_popescu: which they ignore and subsequently lose the contract ?
mircea_popescu: i judge the move to have been preeeetty boneheaded the last time around.
mircea_popescu: there exists no such thing as a length of rope made by the fiat world that is genuinely what it claims to be.
mircea_popescu: mpex is written by people who, unlike you, live in the world as it is. consequently, it doth not care. what you see is not ENVIRONMENT.
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking CIRCUMSTANCE that makes me rich and powerful, ya prole.
mircea_popescu: and whoever the fuck cuts your neck did not do so because his blacksmith had better steel.
mircea_popescu: it's expensive as fuck to run because it is redundant as fuck and built out of atomic shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway - since i recall you itching to do it throughout the YEAR LONG outage, which in my best business judgement is not fucking acceptable, suppose you find a server, and once (and only once) you're satisfied it entirely meets your specs we move over ?
mircea_popescu: but not before, because honestly in between a) shrug and make the engineers rewrite the software to be windows proof and b) turn off the service for another year because the world is not ready yet, even an entry level manager would know enough to pick a every time.
mircea_popescu: even more alternatively, if you're just about ready to move out of nato and place a rack in your own basement i'm definitely just about ready to ship you the server in question. have been for a while nao.
phf: it seems the way it's going it's equally "safe" to host box in basement now, and only upload static pages of results to web
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not entirely sure i wish to risk that much in property behind enemy lines, but i guess if one musts...
mircea_popescu: (and yes i do think you people are ~idiots for keeping chattels there, exactly for the reasons and exactly to the degree i think jews moving around berlin in the 30s with golden whatevers on their person, such as teeth, idiots.)
phf is living in a tiny overpriced appartment, so assume ascii with his house has space to start tmsr space program
shinohai: /me sits back and waits to get cursed in Romanian
mircea_popescu: curious if i manage to get two idiots to delete their blogs the same day.
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mircea_popescu: so the various usg exchanges doing fuckall volume are STILL clinging on to their delusional notions of what the price is, days later.
mircea_popescu: cue mp saying there's no bitcoin price signal i guess.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 14:56 asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu in the original 'books are dead' you have '...tot asa cum n-ati stiut niciodata greaca veche...' but we know you ~do~ greaca veche !
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473589 << no, that's not the test, that's masturbation. the real life test is, take some kids who grew up on blogs ; and some derps who grew up on books, and see who manage to thoroughly fuck up their interactions with mp. that's the fucking test, the test of life, not the test of school-alike.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:23 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
mircea_popescu: the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:29 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the medium is intrinsically unfriendly on account of every-derp-can-modify.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the renaissance happened EXACTLY because of the blog-like organisation of the textual community of the time, and it was for the record largely an oral process ; its notation rather very similar with the btcbase.org service.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:30 asciilifeform: and in any case unmutilated copies abounded and could not be remotely fucked with.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the most amusing example for our purposes here being the late forgery known as "donatio constantini")
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:32 diana_coman: dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines