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assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.7997 = 1.5994 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.7997 = 2.3991 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.7998 = 2.3994 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you can't even spell dissapoint
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.7998 = 2.3994 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.1035 = 0.207 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1035 = 1.035 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: evening gents
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [-]
JWU_42: kakobrekla: hey
kakobrekla: how is it going JWU42
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1035 = 1.035 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.05 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker gigamining
assbot: [GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.77] [Ask: 0.7997] [Spread: 0.0297] [Last: 0.7998] [24hVol: 114.31099603] [7dAvg: 0.82350475]
mircea_popescu: !ticker f.giga.etf
assbot: [MPEX:F.GIGA.ETF] 1day: 0.00070427 / 0.00079311 / 0.00086378 (287116 shares, 227.72 BTC), 30day: 0.00064789 / 0.00095135 / 0.00115139 (9863737 shares, 9,383.94 BTC)
mircea_popescu: so under 8 now huh
Lyspooner: is there an asset or etf that represents a fund which purports hostage or extortion situations and pulls in a revenue stream from citizens wanting to help save fellow citizens?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.788 = 1.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1035 = 0.3105 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 13 @ 0.54999 = 7.1499 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 30 @ 0.54999 = 16.4997 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 7 @ 0.54999 = 3.8499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 20 @ 0.15072854 = 3.0146 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 5 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
MrWubbles: time for you to go night night bitcoins
MrWubbles: ohh want site up?
MrWubbles: ohh it's up
MrWubbles: and it's down again
MrWubbles: womp womp womp
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.128898 = 0.3867 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.128 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.12721 = 3.9435 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1272 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.12711 = 12.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.12710001 = 0.8897 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.127 = 10.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1266 = 1.266 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.12501001 = 1.2501 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.12501001 = 5.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.12501 = 25.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.125 = 6.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.09999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 25 @ 0.09999 = 2.4998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.12020001 = 0.2404 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12020001 = 3.9666 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1202 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.12010001 = 0.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.12010001 = 2.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.12 = 12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.115 = 1.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1149 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11110001 = 0.2222 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.11110001 = 3.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11100001 = 0.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11100001 = 1.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.1099 = 0.4396 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 2 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 1 @ 0.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.1049 = 0.8392 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 20 @ 0.149 = 2.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 106 @ 0.1049 = 11.1194 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 40 @ 0.10309 = 4.1236 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 268 @ 0.104 = 27.872 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 560 @ 0.105 = 58.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 101 @ 0.11 = 11.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.1039 = 1.2468 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 117 @ 0.149 = 17.433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49511 @ 0.0003988 = 19.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 31 @ 0.1399 = 4.3369 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.628 = 1.256 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 5 @ 0.62879 = 3.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.10308 = 2.577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4009 @ 0.00081659 = 3.2737 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 25 @ 0.54999 = 13.7498 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.63 = 5.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell lyspooner never heard of one.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 980 @ 0.105 = 102.9 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Damn, ASICMINER went back near IPO price?
mircea_popescu: awww, but it was +50% yest!
BTC-Mining: Now it's +5%
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 15 @ 0.10308 = 1.5462 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.10306 = 1.752 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Looks like someone sold a huge lot
mircea_popescu: these low volume stocks, tsk tsk.
mircea_popescu: !ticker asicmining
mircea_popescu: !ticker asicminer
assbot: Invalid ticker.
assbot: [GLBSE:ASICMINER] [Bid: 0.105] [Ask: 0.11] [Spread: 0.005] [Last: 0.105] [24hVol: 433.80514183] [7dAvg: 0.12210553]
mircea_popescu: huge = 4xx btc yeah
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.11 = 3.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: Yea, somebody just took a big dump
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: It's still only 15000k total value, so 4% is about 2.6%
mircea_popescu: im sorry, say wut ?
BTC-Mining: I mean 4xx BTC is about 2.6%
mircea_popescu: o, of the float ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: strangely total volume is 6k
mircea_popescu: people bought 9k worth off glbse or what ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Yeah, you can trade directly with the issuer/others
BTC-Mining: Which doesn't appear in the volume
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 260 @ 0.115 = 29.9 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Going back up
mircea_popescu: still has 500-1k to go to .1
BTC-Mining: I guess people would still like to get IPO prices
Diablo-D3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4481752
mircea_popescu: such a fire hazard that thign
mircea_popescu: poliester on top of cardboard ? really ?
mircea_popescu: pour some gasoline in a corner.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.1051 = 3.9938 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1 @ 0.76378688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3291 @ 0.00082122 = 2.7026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 20 @ 0.15722689 = 3.1445 BTC [+]
papaso: hi，i am coming
papaso: i want to buy call options
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.11 = 0.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.09999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
papaso: long Expiration，high strike
papaso: i want to buy call options，can anyone help me how to buy？
BTC-Mining: Ask mircea_popescu, his MPEX exchange deals with options
mircea_popescu: yes papaso. what do you need ?
papaso: yes ，i want to buy call options
mircea_popescu: ok. do you have a gpg identity ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident papaso
gribble: Nick 'papaso', with hostmask 'papaso!b7e13886@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.225.56.134', is not identified.
papaso: i dont understand GPG，i email to you, you said we talk here
mircea_popescu: ah ok.
mircea_popescu: so , first of all you need to get gpg.
mircea_popescu: what system do you run ? windows ?
papaso: win xp
mircea_popescu: ok.
mircea_popescu: http://www.gpg4win.org/about.html
mircea_popescu: you need that.
papaso: 2.10 or 2.11?
mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter.
papaso: ok
papaso: anothers ques,i can not open bitoption.org, you know why?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1035 = 1.035 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i have no ideea.
mircea_popescu: A market where traded were options to buy and sell bitcoins at future points in time. The service has been suspended since September 2011.
mircea_popescu: seems it's been dead a long time.
papaso: ok i download it
papaso: pls show me the next how to do
mircea_popescu: well, did you install it ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.003393 = 0.0611 BTC [+]
papaso: install already
mircea_popescu: ok. open up command prompt and say
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003393 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gpg --gen-key
papaso: do you want to create a back up copy?
papaso: or do it later?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?
papaso: gen key asked
mircea_popescu: sure, make a backup. save it somewhere safe.
papaso: then GPG want me to type passphrase and quality
mircea_popescu: so pick a STRONG passphrase
mircea_popescu: minimum 12 chars, letters, numbers, symbols.
mircea_popescu: and pick 4096 bit
papaso: more then 13?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.1035 = 1.035 BTC [+]
papaso: what means quality?
mircea_popescu: 13 works. the longer the better, but don't forget it.
mircea_popescu: if you do you're pretty much screwed.
papaso: ok i done
mircea_popescu: don't use any words in it either. ok.
mircea_popescu: gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt --export 'Your Name'
mircea_popescu: it will give you some text. you email me that.
papaso: then save?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: you can get it again any time the same way.
papaso: then i open GPG again
mircea_popescu: did you email me your key ?
papaso: in brief lot of information
mircea_popescu: hm ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
papaso: i need to tell you the key id?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: you need to go
mircea_popescu: gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt --export 'Your Name'
mircea_popescu: it will give you some text.
mircea_popescu: you need to email me that text.
papaso: where is the armor?
mircea_popescu: where is the armor ?!
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
papaso: you said i must go to gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt --export 'Your Name'
mircea_popescu: you just put that in command prompt
mircea_popescu: obviously replace your name with... your name. whatever you entered when you made the key.
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: you need a step by step tutorial
rdponticelli: And just send that to ppl
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/faq.html#6 it's there.
mircea_popescu: problem is, people don't even have gpg. what am i to do ?
rdponticelli: A tutorial for ppl who don't have gpg
rdponticelli: I know the other
mircea_popescu: might be an ideea, this.
rdponticelli: :)
mircea_popescu: a well, my faq will grow to epic proportions, it will pass 250kb, be even larger than nefario's pages.
rdponticelli: And don't forget to put something like: do it on a clean machine
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 9 @ 0.8 = 7.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: myeah.
rdponticelli: If you're using that mocosoft crap chances are that your keys won't be safe anyway...
rdponticelli: And all that jazz
mircea_popescu: so i should put an os comparison char too ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... it has to end somewhere, this faq
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i have no email. papaso you ok in there ?
rdponticelli: Yeah, ponder your resources
rdponticelli: But is more waste of resources tell step by step to every customer
papaso: i am in the key manager web, and i dont know how to do next
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1199 = 2.398 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli i've run it for months never quite had the problem. people manage in general.
rdponticelli: Ok
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.559 = 4.677 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: papaso i have no idea what a key manager web is.
rdponticelli: Ok it was just and idea :)
mircea_popescu: what you need to do is, open command prompt, put the string i gave you in there, and paste the result into an email.
mircea_popescu: if you do what you want to do rather than what i tell you to do we're just wasting our time here.
papaso: when you open GPA, you will see the key manager
mircea_popescu: mkay, well this has gone for long enough i guess.
mircea_popescu: papaso http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ here's the manual.
mircea_popescu: please send me your public key.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.1199 = 1.9184 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.12 = 2.28 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.08889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14709 @ 0.00081874 = 12.0428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2300 @ 0.00082133 = 1.8891 BTC [+]
papaso: key id?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.12 = 4.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you find your keyid by saying gpg --list-keys
mircea_popescu: mpex keyid is F1B69921
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16316 @ 0.00040019 = 6.5295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23684 @ 0.0004007 = 9.4902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.64860632 BTC [+]
papaso: do you speak chinese?
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't.
mircea_popescu: however, markac does,
mircea_popescu: try
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.09999 = 0.8999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: .tr 梵天
markac: mircea_popescu: "Brahma" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com)
papaso: i think i need stup by stup HOWTO
papaso: boze i first here GPA
mircea_popescu: read up the conversation, it's there.
markac: usagi: "My name is rabbit ." (ja to en, translate.google.com)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9058 @ 0.00039902 = 3.6143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00039875 = 3.194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00039789 = 0.8085 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.1035 = 0.414 BTC [+]
papaso: AGAIN,first "new key" your name: papaso then email: 23@qq.com then create back up copy then enter passphrase then re-enter ,then secret-key-5122FEE3.asc, pls show me howto.....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1668 @ 0.00039789 = 0.6637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19484 @ 0.00039784 = 7.7515 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt --export '5122FEE3'
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4000 @ 0.00083036 = 3.3214 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.1199 = 3.9567 BTC [-]
papaso: name:secret-key-54296214.asc then i change to: gpg --armor --output pubkey.txt --export 'papaso' then save in folder: desktop then push save?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.09999 = 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.099999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ... maybe ?
mircea_popescu: are you renaming a file ?
papaso: let me study chinese HOWTO
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00039784 = 17.7437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00039784 = 4.0484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9124 @ 0.00039784 = 3.6299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0003986 = 13.672 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and faq update, if anyone's curious.
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/faq.html
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.62 = 2.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 30 @ 0.635 = 19.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.645 = 1.935 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.648 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.6495 = 2.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 44 @ 0.65 = 28.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15506 @ 0.0003986 = 6.1807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28428 @ 0.0004007 = 11.3911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3866 @ 0.00040084 = 1.5496 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 11732 @ 0.003393 = 39.8067 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 7877 @ 0.0034 = 26.7818 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10391 @ 0.0034 = 35.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 4609 @ 0.0034 = 15.6706 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aaaand it's gone
kakobrekla: hm?
mircea_popescu: i saw the large buys, i checked the mkt depth, noticed 4.6k outstandign
mircea_popescu: and right then they sold.
smickles: !ticker s.dice
smickles: !ticker gsdpt
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0032 / 0.00327279 / 0.0034 (3537514 shares, 11,577.55 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE:GSDPT] [Bid: 0.0032] [Ask: 0.0034] [Spread: 0.0002] [Last: 0.0034] [24hVol: 129.557254] [7dAvg: 0.00327343]
smickles: oh, i've been outwitted by time :(
mircea_popescu: huh ?
mod6: Trying to be part of a cryptocurrency without knowing how to use gpg is like trying to be part of the 60s without knowing how to use a bong.
mod6: lol
smickles: i should've ran the ticker comparison before 8pm eastern us
mircea_popescu: mod6 ain't that the truth!
mod6: :D
smickles: I used to prefer hookas myself
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 5 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 2 @ 0.0001222 = 0.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.113003 = 3.7291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1301 @ 0.00083036 = 1.0803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7847 @ 0.00039784 = 3.1219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19753 @ 0.00039782 = 7.8581 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol well... as a general point
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell deadterra you prolly want to issue more gsdpt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35847 @ 0.00039782 = 14.2607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5553 @ 0.00039763 = 2.208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9647 @ 0.00039763 = 3.8359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9953 @ 0.00039754 = 3.9567 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: 5 BTC freeroll on sealswithclubs starting in 1 hour and a half by the way... 164 players so far, a few places left.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 75 @ 0.9998 = 74.985 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Looks like people are buying BTC-MINING
smickles: BTC-Mining: do you need chips to play in that?
BTC-Mining: No, it's a freeroll...
BTC-Mining: Almost ALL poker websites in existence conducts regular freerolls.
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 150 @ 0.00101467 = 0.1522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 9850 @ 0.001001 = 9.8599 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Usually for ~ 50 - 100 USD
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 329 @ 0.0012103 = 0.3982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 10000 @ 0.0010005 = 10.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.0010003 = 10.003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.001001 = 10.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 10000 @ 0.0010005 = 10.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.12 = 2.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.0010003 = 10.003 BTC [-]
smickles: well, i'll join in then
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.001001 = 10.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 10000 @ 0.0010005 = 10.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.0010003 = 10.003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.0010003 = 10.003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 10000 @ 0.0010005 = 10.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.001001 = 10.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: weren;t they doing those hourly ?
BTC-Mining: No, not seals, they're too small. Doing that weekly.
BTC-Mining: They do a 0.05 BTC freeroll hourly tho, with usually 10 people in it.
BTC-Mining: Only some large poker networks do daily/multiple time a day freerolls.
smickles: BTC-Mining: can you tell me how long i should expect it to last if i don't suck ass tonight?
BTC-Mining: Eh, no idea.
BTC-Mining: Can go for a few hours.
BTC-Mining: There's always breaks tho
BTC-Mining: and of course the minimum blind go up every few minute to force the game to go end up faster.
smickles: BTC-Mining: are you playing?
mircea_popescu: well smickles you'd have 1: 200 odds to win 50 bux
mircea_popescu: so it'd be mostly for hte fun
BTC-Mining: Yup
smickles: BTC-Mining: well, tell me if we hit the same table :)
BTC-Mining: There's actually 17 position paids
smickles: (i assume you nick is different there)
BTC-Mining: and 116 entrants
BTC-Mining: 25.00%/15.00%/10.00%/7.50%/4 x 5%/9 x 2.5%
smickles: mircea_popescu: so you'll bet me 200 btc agianst my one that i won't win it?
smickles: :D
mircea_popescu: i'll bet 2 btc against your .01
mircea_popescu: let's not drive me bankrupt just yet.
BTC-Mining: mircea: deal from here...
BTC-Mining: If you want to take it.
mircea_popescu: you betting that you don't win or that he doesn't win BTC-Mining ?
BTC-Mining: No, betting for myself winning
mircea_popescu: i'll want .02 btc from you.
BTC-Mining: hmm, okay then
smickles: heh, i'll take the bet mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: lol ok. how do we verify this ?
smickles: you get .01 if i lose, i get 2 if i win.
smickles: um
BTC-Mining: You can check the tournament results
kakobrekla: MNW got all over you guys.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining ok, but what do you play as ?
smickles: BTC-Mining: is the winner announced somehow?
BTC-Mining: Namjies
mircea_popescu: and you're smickles, smickles ?
smickles: yup
smickles: same nick
mircea_popescu: kays.
BTC-Mining: You can view the list of final position for the tournament from the tournament's lobby
BTC-Mining: I believe
mircea_popescu: im too lazy but i trust you'll be keeping each other honest lol
BTC-Mining: Excellent
smickles: i'll screenshoot it :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.113003 = 3.7291 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, if i had a few hundered spare gig, i'd record my play
BTC-Mining: I don't think I've ever been first in a tournament yet... Although I'm used to larger pools of players.
mircea_popescu: well good luck to both of ya.
smickles: :D
smickles: heh, i suppose it's sorta a sponsorship
BTC-Mining: Well first place is 25%, or 1.25 BTC. If you get first, you get an extra 2 BTC from mircea.
BTC-Mining: But by the end of a tournament, you end up with good players. Gets harder and harder
BTC-Mining: Oh, I have an mpex cap for the tournament?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.117 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: .
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: is something stuck
BTC-Mining: .
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: .
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
smickles: mrchhre?
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.084 = 0.252 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: pajka combo breaker
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102096 = 10.2096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 2 @ 0.64514775 = 1.2903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 10000 @ 0.00102183 = 10.2183 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00040041 = 0.1602 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Well, some people like certified deposits
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining what you mean cap ?
BTC-Mining: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap
mircea_popescu: o o o yes hehe, a cap!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hm, does anyone make btc aparel ?
mircea_popescu: as in, aparel you pay in btc
jcpham: i can spraypaint something for you
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11999999 BTC [-]
jcpham: designer
jcpham: $1000
BTC-Mining: (Pssst! Sounds like a pretty bad deal... You should take it.)
jcpham: dude i'm trying to let you guys in on the ground floor
jcpham: designer bitcoin apparel
jcpham: pink kicks with gold coins on them
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: romney's tax return airbrushed on a polo in graffiti
jcpham: this shit is hot
BTC-Mining: Hmm, an exclusive fashion milieu, quite the interesting offer indeed.
jcpham: cascius coin dildos
jcpham: who needs a vault
mircea_popescu: when you got kegels ?
mircea_popescu: Sweden drops Assange rape charge
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.119 = 0.595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao a loser is sweden.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.11949 = 0.3585 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 50 @ 0.1195 = 5.975 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Hey Diablo-D3
jcpham: so if you are popular enough rape is ok in sweden?
mircea_popescu: he didn't rape anybody.
jcpham: or unpopular enough
jcpham: i'm sorry assange doesn't qualify as world news
BTC-Mining: Maybe there was simply a lack of proof plus getting assange was too hard, so dropped charges... costs money to work on the case you know...
BTC-Mining: Getting proof tends to be hard in case of rape.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was just a case of rogue state trying to abuse the process of law to kidnap foreign nationals
jcpham: isn't illegal in spain to walk into a car dealer with 3000 euros and ppurchase a vehicle
mircea_popescu: that's what my 2 bitcents is on anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15534 @ 0.00040084 = 6.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33366 @ 0.00040148 = 13.3958 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.899 = 1.798 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 4 @ 0.9 = 3.6 BTC [+]
smickles: < mircea_popescu> maybe it was just a case of rogue state trying to abuse the process of law to kidnap foreign nationals<<< sounds like the 'merican way
mircea_popescu: myea.
jcpham: yes america runs the world
mircea_popescu: lol. get off.
jcpham: no seriously
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: most 2yos think they run the world too.
jcpham: i've been to the world, i know.
mircea_popescu: lol srsly ?
mircea_popescu: how's the world's apartment like ?
mircea_popescu: does it have ac ?
jcpham: no running water
mircea_popescu: so why ruin it.
jcpham: no sewage, only septic
jcpham: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/3/the-real-fiscal-cliff/
jcpham: doomand gloom
BTC-Mining: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/world-accordign-to-USA.jpg
jcpham: looks correct
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 10.903, Best ask: 10.9999, Bid-ask spread: 0.09690, Last trade: 10.91592, 24 hour volume: 64318, 24 hour low: 10.261, 24 hour high: 11.17
BTC-Mining: This one is a bit outdated... looks like its from the cold war
BTC-Mining: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oUc6WpOAwto/SP9fNq6zuOI/AAAAAAAABOs/t2o45sOf_sw/s1600/the_world_according_to_america.gif
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.1130002 = 3.729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16434 @ 0.00040148 = 6.5979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5078 @ 0.00040313 = 2.0471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8488 @ 0.00040475 = 3.4355 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.12 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 47 @ 1 = 47 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00040041 = 12.8932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.00100595 = 10.0595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 10000 @ 0.00100893 = 10.0893 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> is something stuck <<< i love this line
mircea_popescu: i guess the power of lisp is a scary thing to behold. just you wait till i grow a little and start doing 100s of trades a minute
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: The thing is, it was like tons of 10 BTC trades, all in the same amount at the same price...
BTC-Mining: Why weren't they all filled in one go?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.113 = 2.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.112 = 0.448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21651 @ 0.00040475 = 8.7632 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining what do you mean "in one go" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 24812 @ 0.00100757 = 24.9998 BTC [-]
papaso: O.BTCUSD.C200N what is the strick price usd20 or usd200?
mircea_popescu: usd 20
papaso: if i want to buy 1 btc, i should pay USD0.089 or 0.089BTC?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.103498 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.11000001 = 3.63 BTC [-]
smickles: papaso: it's priced in btc
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.114 = 0.342 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: papaso each option stands for 1 btc and is priced in btc.
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.C200N is 0.00608060 ask and 0.14836642 buy
mircea_popescu: this means it costs you
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 10.94, Best ask: 10.94992, Bid-ask spread: 0.00992, Last trade: 10.931, 24 hour volume: 69377, 24 hour low: 10.261, 24 hour high: 11.17
mircea_popescu: .py 10.931 * 0.00608060
markac: 0.0664670386
mircea_popescu: it costs you about 6.6 cents.
papaso: means the price is not usd it is btc?
mircea_popescu: yes.
papaso: good
mircea_popescu: all mpex is btc-only. no usd anywhere.
papaso: if i buy there must have another trader as sell side
mircea_popescu: there's the mpoe bot which takes your other side.
papaso: O.BTCUSD.C200N the Expiration is?
papaso: it is europen-option or us-option?
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: us.
mircea_popescu: you can sell it at any time anyway, the bot quotes.
mircea_popescu: all T expire last Friday of current month (28th). all N expire last Friday of next month (oct 26th)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.114 BTC [+]
papaso: O.BTCUSD.C200N is this mouth or next mouth
mircea_popescu: next month.
mircea_popescu: cause of N at the end
papaso: next mouth 28th?
papaso: do you have dec 28 Contract
mircea_popescu: next month 26th.
mircea_popescu: and no, no december. only current and next month.
mircea_popescu: december will be N starting on the 27th of october.
papaso: OK， i wish if the volme is high, people can buy year contract
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.12 = 3.36 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not a problem of volume as much as volatility.
mircea_popescu: btc can and has dropped and gained 50-60% in a few days.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.11998999 = 2.3998 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this precludes any LEAPs or such.
mircea_popescu: last month volume was ~100k contracts, you can look it up in the monthly report http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-rezultate-august-2012/#comment-88317
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Freeroll starting in 10 minutes. Ready smickles?
mircea_popescu: im off to bed. gl boyz
BTC-Mining: Night there
Enky: *manage
mircea_popescu: sooo, how's the poker boys ? BTC-Mining ? smickles ?
kakobrekla: well thats up to you, this is made to make btc
kakobrekla: not usd
kakobrekla: directly
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu, you would be the one to be able to answer this...
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <BTC-Mining> smickles, kako is saying you could have a BTC balance, and have a USD/EUR position for it, so if you lose 10% on the position, you lose 10% oF the BTC used for the position. AND COMPLETLY IGNORE BTC PRICE FLUCTUATION DURING THAT TIME. That's what I understood.
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <Enky> volatility of eur/usd is 1/50 maybe of btc/usd:)
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <kakobrekla> thats why you have leverages
BTC-Mining: [10:54] <kakobrekla> BTC-Mining: CORRECT
BTC-Mining: How can that work?
Enky: that's the point
Enky: "AND COMPLETLY IGNORE BTC PRICE FLUCTUATION DURING THAT TIME"
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining well part of your btc would be in options.
mircea_popescu: then if price fluctuates you make back btc so that your usd value stays fixed.
BTC-Mining: So there must be hedging
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/btcf/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10 i strongly recomend this thread
mircea_popescu: it has 3-4 good case studies well documented.
BTC-Mining: That's also what my understanding of the forex was.
BTC-Mining: But hedging has a cost...
mircea_popescu: everything has a cost.
BTC-Mining: Kako, could you verify that with your forex contact?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
Enky: maybe that forex contact doesnt imagine how much wild are swings at mtgox:)
BTC-Mining: So he can confirm you or something?
BTC-Mining: I think that might be the problem, Enky
kakobrekla: i told you how your funds are backed
Enky: he think, btc is a currency , so not much volatile...
Enky: big mistakes:)
BTC-Mining: kako, BTC price fluctuations will matter...
kakobrekla: i think what you really need to worry
BTC-Mining: there's no way it wouldn't if it's the currency backing the position.
kakobrekla: if there is enough btc to cover your gains
kakobrekla: to which the answer is: yes
mircea_popescu: what are you folks discussing anyway ?
kakobrekla: Enky see pm about the demo
BTC-Mining: kakobrekla wants to make a BTC > fiat/fiat positions service with BTC backing the position. BUT, of course, BTC price fluctuation doesn't need hedging or doesn't matter at all in this.
BTC-Mining: so basically, allow you to trade on a forex platform by keeping your BTC to back your positions.
BTC-Mining: But somehow BTC/fiat value doesn't matter at all in this
Enky: you can mitigate the problem limiting your operativity to intraday operations, for example, another idea
mircea_popescu: hm. well that could be risky.
BTC-Mining: for Kako, yes?
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, an attempt at btc / difficulty option nearly took a large player out.
mircea_popescu: last month.
mircea_popescu: significant losses. and when i say "large player" i mean 10's of k's.
BTC-Mining: I kept saying he needs to hedge or he might make big losses (or gains)
BTC-Mining: depending on bitcoin price fluctuations and if the users make gains or losses.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining if he imediately trades (ie, customer buys btc on platform, platform buys btc on mtgox, and vice-versa) and the sums are small enough it should be ok
BTC-Mining: no
mircea_popescu: as the sums grow i imagine it'd end up as bitcoinica.
mircea_popescu: ie, making a loss each month.
BTC-Mining: that's no what he's saying
BTC-Mining: he's saying that you could put a 1 BTC balane he'd keep on his side.
mircea_popescu: well i kinda fell in the middle of a discussion i dunno.
BTC-Mining: and allow you to take a USD/EUR short/long position on a forex platform using that BTC.
BTC-Mining: and suppose you use 1:1 leverage, and make 10% loss/gain, you make 10% loss/gain on your BTC.
BTC-Mining: AND, BTC/FIAT price WOULDN'T matter AT ALL in this, somehow.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound like the whole story.
smickles: mircea_popescu: not suprising about the btc/diff option, the bot didn't seem to understand the relationship between btc/usd price rising and diff rising
mircea_popescu: smickles funny thing is, it had done ok the first coupla months.
BTC-Mining: mircea, it is the whole story
mircea_popescu: very tracherous market, easy enough to gain a false sense of confidence.
smickles: mircea_popescu: in hindsight, the first few months were like the eye of a huricane
mircea_popescu: i guess lol
BTC-Mining: and to me it makes absolutly zero sense
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining well that's why i say can't be the whole story.
BTC-Mining: but the thing is, it is!
mircea_popescu: lol how do you know that ?
mircea_popescu: and anyway! let's not deviate from the main topic! who won the poker tourney ?
BTC-Mining: I was there since the start
BTC-Mining: Not me or smickles ;)
BTC-Mining: give the addy
mircea_popescu: 1GG36DGeSYrZULtRTRoZwqMSupKtLeBjjF <<< donations accepted.
Diablo-D3: I wonder if a chick has ever said "dick licking good"
BTC-Mining: ..........
mircea_popescu: geee, i made money while sleeping!
mircea_popescu: and yes Diablo-D3, a chick has.
BTC-Mining: but seriously Kakobrekla, I suggest you talk that again with your contact, because something seems to be very awry and amiss in those statements.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.91 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Would carry a huge risk for you depending on BTC price fluctuations.
Diablo-D3: zomg
Diablo-D3: another pirate?1
BTC-Mining: No
BTC-Mining: This:
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <BTC-Mining> smickles, kako is saying you could have a BTC balance, and have a USD/EUR position for it, so if you lose 10% on the position, you lose 10% oF the BTC used for the position. AND COMPLETLY IGNORE BTC PRICE FLUCTUATION DURING THAT TIME. That's what I understood.
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <Enky> volatility of eur/usd is 1/50 maybe of btc/usd:)
BTC-Mining: [10:53] <kakobrekla> thats why you have leverages
BTC-Mining: [10:54] <kakobrekla> BTC-Mining: CORRECT
BTC-Mining: If someone makes a loss on his position (fiat loss) and BTC devalues/crash to like close to 0, guess who absorbs the large fiat loss?
Diablo-D3: the... investor?
BTC-Mining: No, if the position loses 10%, the forex trader loses 10% in bitcoin backing it at time of getting the position.
BTC-Mining: That seems to be what Kako is saying.
mircea_popescu: Enky> volatility of eur/usd is 1/50 maybe of btc/usd: <<< more than that.
Diablo-D3: but thats not really true
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 16600 @ 0.00085667 = 14.2207 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: btc/usd went -50% then +40% in 4 days.
Diablo-D3: because thats not how forex work
BTC-Mining: That's what I'm trying to tell him x(
BTC-Mining: Huge risks for him.
BTC-Mining: Especially with 1:1000 leverage to top it.
Diablo-D3: I mean, mtgox is a forex
BTC-Mining: Indeed.
Diablo-D3: btw, you cant hedge btc/usd valuations owning paper
Diablo-D3: you have to own the real thing
Diablo-D3: same goes for those people who buy GLD on wall street
Diablo-D3: you want real gold in a vault, not GLD
mircea_popescu: real gold is expensive to maintain.
rg: you need a jew to maintain your gold
rg: its in thier blood
Diablo-D3: rg: basically.
mircea_popescu: lol
rg: im dead serious..
Diablo-D3: Im not even going to claim thats racist
Diablo-D3: its 100% true
rg: all jewelry/gold places around here
rg: are jewish owned
Diablo-D3: you need three jews in your life
Diablo-D3: a doctor, a lawyer, and an accountant
smickles: oh yeah mircea_popescu did you get my later tell?
mircea_popescu: no, actually, teeny jew chicks are great fucks.
rg: jewish doctor?
rg: meh
rg: indian doctor
smickles: where should i send that .01 btc?
rg: more likely
mircea_popescu: smickles ^^
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> 1GG36DGeSYrZULtRTRoZwqMSupKtLeBjjF <<< donations accepted.
smickles: heh, sending soon then :)
mircea_popescu: i see a .01 but not a .02. BTC-Mining! whar is my dough! kneecaps!
Diablo-D3: man
Diablo-D3: I should watc the clinton speech again
mircea_popescu: aha! ty.
BTC-Mining: See, just wait a little for to show up =/
BTC-Mining: I sent it like 5 minutes ago
rg: i would vote for clinton
rg: if he could run again
Diablo-D3: vote for obama then
rg: no
Diablo-D3: its clinton now available for black
rg: i dont like obama
blazing: what about bush
blazing: did u forget bush
rg: i hate gwb
rg: but if i was president
rg: id robably be likle him
Diablo-D3: dude
Diablo-D3: if I was president
Diablo-D3: first thing I do
Diablo-D3: write everyone a $25k check.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining :p
Diablo-D3: under the strict orders they pay off anybody they owe first
Diablo-D3: whatever is left they can spend
blazing: bush is a party animal
copumpkin: Diablo-D3: why stop there?
copumpkin: I want $2.5M
Diablo-D3: and then watch the banks twist and spin as they cant claim they're not solvent
mircea_popescu: ahaha Diablo-D3 is evil.
Diablo-D3: since half their debt just evaporated
Diablo-D3: man, that'd collapse every major bank
Diablo-D3: it'd be hillarious
mircea_popescu: well it wouldn't be hilarious if YOU were president.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes it would
Diablo-D3: I wouldnt have to bail them out
mircea_popescu: go down in history as "the guy who destroyed the banks" ? what are you jefferson ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I said major
Diablo-D3: all the minor banks are healthy by any metric
mircea_popescu: you know minors are illegal in most states.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00040102 = 1.0828 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I said miner
Diablo-D3: banks for the mining industry
BTC-Mining: Wait what!?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1209 = 2.418 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.08 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.0797632 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.0795672 = 0.1591 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.079456 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.079392 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.07921921 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 50 @ 0.0701 = 3.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.064 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.061 = 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.05601337 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 100 @ 0.051 = 5.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.05050505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 100 @ 0.05010001 = 5.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 50 @ 0.0501 = 2.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 120 @ 0.05 = 6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.04040404 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 23 @ 0.04 = 0.92 BTC [-]
gabbynot: damn
BTC-Mining: TYGRR.BOND-P is reaching acceptable valuation (0)
Diablo-D3: heee
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10349954 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.78011 = 1.5602 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.7801 = 3.9005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.78 = 7.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.74521 = 2.9808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 18 @ 0.7452 = 13.4136 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many speculators had bought it at .1
mircea_popescu: because "who knows".
BTC-Mining: Many, just like previously many were buying at 0.3 - 0.7
BTC-Mining: Just keeps going down
mircea_popescu: a well, they say no lesson is worth anything unless you have a missing eye to show for it.
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 39784 @ 0.00100543 = 40 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.1209 = 1.5717 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.121 = 3.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 54 @ 0.122 = 6.588 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: lawls
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob has like four missing eyes
mircea_popescu: o, he learned something yet ?
Diablo-D3: yeah, he now thinks I ran off with the money
Diablo-D3: and bought a house in the Caymans
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure the doods that traded stocks with you are the ones with the house in the caymans
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6300 @ 0.00086667 = 5.46 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: nope
Enky: btc mining you there?
kakobrekla: BTC-Mining ping
Enky: ping pong...
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.10349954 = 0.3105 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hes away for about 10min
Enky: aniway i'm a fucking dumb kako:)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: see, what he doesnt get is Im playing the long game
Enky: 15 years ago i would have understood on the fly not after 3 hours:)
BTC-Mining: yes?
Enky: i've undestood how it works
Enky: finally
kakobrekla: :D
Enky: it's simple
Enky: it is direct
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 9 @ 0.649 = 5.841 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [+]
Enky: example:
Enky: 100 bts account for 0.1 lots and 10 to 1 leverage for example
Enky: so i open eur/usd with 0.1 lots at 1.2500 and it goes to 1.2600
Enky: 100 pips
Enky: or 0.8%
Enky: you earn 0.8% plus leverage
Enky: in this case 10 to 1 or 8% or 8 btc
Enky: 100 btc initial value + 8% of profit
Enky: that's all:)
Enky: no conversion
BTC-Mining: you earn +8% on the EURO amount!
Enky: no btc
Enky: 100 btc = 0.1 lots
Diablo-D3: dongs
Enky: you never convert
Enky: there are not euro amount
Enky: only % of profit
Enky: in units
Enky: in this case btc
Enky: you do 20% ? ok you earn 20% for each 100 btc or 0.1 lots:)
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 100 @ 0.7 = 70 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: but you're having a fucking eur/usd position! How can you do that without a eur balance >.<
Enky: it's your problem
Enky: to hedge it
Enky: if you want to hedge it
Enky: it's never in euro
BTC-Mining: No, it's Kako's problem, because he runs the fiat balance for you, but he says no hedging...
Enky: he accepts only btc
Enky: it's unlinked
BTC-Mining: Then WHO PAYS for the position???
Enky: basically it follows profit in %
Enky: never in currency
Enky: and add that % to your account
Enky: or subtract if you have a loss
Enky: totally unlinked from the btc/usd volatility at mtgox
BTC-Mining: Where does the profit comes from if you NEVER actually had the fiat currency for the position??
Enky: probably from a trader that did the opposite trade
BTC-Mining: And if you make a profit, how do you buy the extra BTC to pay such profit?
Enky: as happens regularly on any forex broker
BTC-Mining: No, that's not what Kako said he wanted to do...
Enky: i understood that
kakobrekla: wanted to do what
Enky: if is it unlinked who pay a profit in btc to a guy that never held a position in fiat currency?
BTC-Mining: Enky claims a position will have to be matched with an opposite position also using BTC
kakobrekla: no
Enky: my guess btc
BTC-Mining: See, that's not what kako wants to do...
kakobrekla: any matchin or whatever is done by metatrader
Enky: by the firm then
BTC-Mining: yes, in fiat...
BTC-Mining: so profit/loss is in fiat
kakobrekla: you can trade any pair
kakobrekla: you make profits in btc
kakobrekla: or in units
kakobrekla: if its less disturbing
Enky: so the broker take the risk of potential large movement in the btc/usd ratio
BTC-Mining: so if BTC price changes during the position, it DOES matter
Enky: it does not matter for you, the customer for what i've understood
BTC-Mining: not for the customer, but for Kako, it does
kakobrekla: you had you money with pirate with 7% a week no matter if the usd btc price was 5 or 10 usd
Enky: ok for the customer is ok
Enky: but for the broker not, but most of the time orders tend to match each other, if there are a large amount of traders
kakobrekla: but that is done internally
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 264 @ 0.10349954 = 27.3239 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: im a goat mother fuckers! ☟︎
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 109 @ 0.1035 = 11.2815 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: we dont have any control over what MT4 does
kakobrekla: inside
kakobrekla: their systems
Enky: that broker firm isnt small, probably they can handle few users in bitcoin
Enky: ok the mystery is resolved:)
BTC-Mining: kako, you don't seem to understand you're making a profit on a position in FIAT. If you make a 10% (1 USD on 10 USD, for 1 BTC) profit in fiat but bitcoins value raises 10x in USD value during that time (100 USD). Your 1 USD will pay only for 1% extra in bitcoin, not 10%. Either you or MT4 would have to eat a damn loss to give that full 10%.
mircea_popescu: so its bitcoinica rehash.
BTC-Mining: WHO PAYS?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.122 = 0.244 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
Enky: the bitcoin reserve will pay
kakobrekla: there is no fiat
Enky: it is an extreme scenario btcmining
BTC-Mining: Even if the change is smaller, there's a small loss...
Enky: kako said before that they have twice the amount of btc hold as reserver if i'm right
Enky: **Reserve
kakobrekla: first of all, i hold all deposits which are under my control and never converted to anything
kakobrekla: second of all there is a covering bank of twice the size of deposits size
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7124 @ 0.00040102 = 2.8569 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: starting with 10k
BTC-Mining: that's all fine, but there's no 10% gain on position = 10% gain in BTC in that equation
BTC-Mining: Just 10% gain in fiat gives 10% gain in fiat
kakobrekla: you will get 10% more btc (your gain)
kakobrekla: no matter the usd btc value
kakobrekla: guaranteed
BTC-Mining: Then BTC price fluctuation matters for you. Will you hedge?
Enky: for the user it's ok
BTC-Mining: Yes, for the user it is, I'm concerned about kako here
kakobrekla: i have been asked to be a part of that operation (dealing with btc stock etc)
kakobrekla: but i have delicled for now
kakobrekla: declined*
mircea_popescu: well so why exactly do you associate your name with what seems a somewhat dubious proposition ?
BTC-Mining: oh, so it's not really your project?
kakobrekla: im working together with an existing forex broker firm
kakobrekla: and will be in charge of btc clients
kakobrekla: and will help with bitcoin tech stuff
Enky: will be fun
Enky: to use btc for forex
BTC-Mining: Ah... does that broker firms understand how wildly BTC price can vary?
kakobrekla: yes
BTC-Mining: I'm assuming they'll assume the price fluctuation risk here
mircea_popescu: mk, so let's see here. suppose i deposit 100 btc. at that time btc is 100 yen. i trade for yen, get 10k. a week later, btc is 50 yen. i trade back get 200 btc. now i withdraw. you pay me 200btc
mircea_popescu: from where does the extra 100 btc come from ?
Enky: get 10k of what? yen?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Enky: it is in btc
mircea_popescu: dude. read what i said.
BTC-Mining: mircea, I had that exact discussion over and over
Enky: sorry
mircea_popescu: ok, so what's the answer ?
BTC-Mining: BTC/Fiat price magically doesn't matter
BTC-Mining: Who eats the risk of fluctuation is unclear.
mircea_popescu: well i guess this will need to be fleshed out more then.
Enky: it come from the broker, dunno if he hedge your trade in some way
BTC-Mining: if the broker hedge, it's fine
Enky: have no info on how it manage internally these orders
BTC-Mining: It should just be cleared up upfront
kakobrekla: 17:43.51 ( Enky ) i earn 3% with eur usd, i earn 3% on my bitcoin balance
kakobrekla: 17:44.33 ( Enky ) or 30% with 10 to 1 leverage
kakobrekla: this sums it up doesnt it?
Enky: it's direct
BTC-Mining: Yes, for the customer
BTC-Mining: not for the broker
Enky: you earn 80% with a 0.1 lots (100 btc) you earn 80 btc
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 11 @ 0.10075 = 1.1083 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: BTC/fiat price will impact the broker
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 25 @ 0.1 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 400 @ 0.00999999 = 4 BTC [+]
Enky: probably they are big enough to take that risk, considering that at the begining there will be few users that will trade with bitcoins
Enky: compared to the rest of their customers
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 24864 @ 0.00100545 = 24.9995 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: BTC/fiat price will impact the broker, simply because the % profit is in fiat, and he pays the same % in bitcoin, regardless of if bitcoin has gone up or down in value vs fiat
BTC-Mining: BTC/fiat price does matter a lot for the broker, especially if you go with high leverage like 1:1000
Enky: maybe they do that for advertising,to gain new users, and so they accepted to take that risk for marketing purpose, who knows...
Enky: they can reduce the leverage in any case, we are talking of small potatoes here, few users with bitcoin when they have maybe 100k users
BTC-Mining: Well I guess it's up to kako to see how that will be worked out.
Enky: yeah
Enky: i'm just speculating
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9576 @ 0.00040102 = 3.8402 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4064 @ 0.00040105 = 1.6299 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: The thing is, his contact was talking about 1:1000 leverage being possible. I doubt they'd take so much risk as a broker
mircea_popescu: with 1k btc i could do 10mn usd ?
BTC-Mining: Especially with bitcoin's wild swings
Enky: 100 btc for 0.1 lot
BTC-Mining: 1 million*
Enky: 1000 usd for 0.1 lot, low leverage
mircea_popescu: well 1k btc = 10k usd * 1000:1 = 10mn
BTC-Mining: sorry, right
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.06 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i know plenty of people with 1k btc to play with
Enky: so 1 lot
mircea_popescu: i doubt therer's anyone with 10mn to dick around with.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 2 @ 1.35 = 2.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: more's the point :
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 10.86553, Best ask: 10.887, Bid-ask spread: 0.02147, Last trade: 10.86553, 24 hour volume: 87642, 24 hour low: 10.43399, 24 hour high: 11.17
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 87642
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask|bid|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: meh what was the command ? to sell 85k ?
BTC-Mining: Yeah, problem with that leverage of 1:1000 is, imagine guy with 1000 BTC going that way for 10 million USD and his position loses 0.05% (5k USD). x1000 for leverage, 50% loss.
Enky: yes
BTC-Mining: But broker only demands 50% of BTC used for that, so 500 BTC loss. But BTC went to 1 USD each during the position.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining that's not the problem
mircea_popescu: the problem is i put 1k btc into that market, for 10mn
mircea_popescu: then i dump 99k btc on the market
BTC-Mining: Broker now has 500 USD for a 5000 USD loss
mircea_popescu: then i've made a 300% price decrease and that means a 300`000% gain on my position
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.122 = 7.32 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i take home 300`000 btc for this.
BTC-Mining: mircea, you're not trading ANY position containing BTC whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: o wait
mircea_popescu: what ?!
BTC-Mining: Strictly fiat1/fiat2 positions
mircea_popescu: o
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.122 = 1.22 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hahaha so then what's the big deal, broker/whoever buys options
mircea_popescu: or just spotsells.
mircea_popescu: or etc.
mircea_popescu: i thought the idea was to do btc/fiat forex.
Enky: no
Enky: but i dont know long term plan of that broker
BTC-Mining: Yes, but Kako doesn't seem like he's going to hedge and says a 10% gain/loss on position = a 10% gain/loss on BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 135 @ 0.1035 = 13.9725 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Somehow BTC/fiat value has no impact in all this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00040105 = 4.1834 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well im sure you get your btc at then prevailing rates.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13369 @ 0.00040212 = 5.3759 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as in, you go in with 100 btc, buy fiatx, sell fiaty etc
mircea_popescu: then at the end you go back into btc, at then prevailing rates.
kakobrekla: what?
BTC-Mining: No, 10% gain on a USD/EUR position, 10% gain in BTC, guaranteed.
BTC-Mining: But no hedging from broker
kakobrekla: no conversion to fiat
kakobrekla: at any time
mircea_popescu: ok im confused.
BTC-Mining: It doesn't work kako, that's not how Forex works O.o
kakobrekla: jesus.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: is there a faq or anything anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: cause this he said she said thing doesn't help me.
BTC-Mining: kako, can you confirm
BTC-Mining: 10% gain on a USD/EUR position, 10% gain in BTC, guaranteed.
Enky: plus leverage
kakobrekla: yes
kakobrekla: yes
BTC-Mining: and will the broker hedge against BTC/fiat fluctuations?
kakobrekla: look mp
kakobrekla: you put in 100 btc
kakobrekla: you can trade up to 0.1 lot of anything you like
kakobrekla: you make a short or whatever
Enky: they have twice the amount of bitcoin held by customers, right kako?
kakobrekla: profit 10%
kakobrekla: your btc balance got 10% btc
kakobrekla: to back up the profits yes
Enky: we're safe, as customers
mircea_popescu: but i didn't make the 10% in btc.
BTC-Mining: yes, but the broker isn't, and kako isn't answering about that
mircea_popescu: i made it in w/e fiats.
kakobrekla: you made 10% of units
Enky: isnt? depends
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: right. of units. which aren't btc.
kakobrekla: well they are.
mircea_popescu: so if the units are btc then how come i buy fiat with them ?
kakobrekla: the size of the deposit limits the max trading amount allowed
kakobrekla: thats all
kakobrekla: you put in 100 btc
BTC-Mining: That doesn't explain anything, it's completly unrelated
kakobrekla: now you can borrow and short 10k usd
kakobrekla: on mt
Enky: or 0.1 lots
mircea_popescu: so if in december btc/usd = 100, will 100 btc still buy me 0.1 lot ?
kakobrekla: yes
kakobrekla: no matter the price
kakobrekla: 100 btc will be 0.1 lot limit
mircea_popescu: can i short this lol
Enky: if bitcoin go to 100 you have to change the limit
kakobrekla: that wont happen in near future
Enky: 100 btc or 100x100 10000 usd for 0.1 lots it's not attractive
Enky: 100k usd
mircea_popescu: think about it kakobrekla : i send you 1k btc now, get 1 lot.
BTC-Mining: then broker is highly at risk of BTC/fiat price fluctuations. We understand the customer part, just not what the broker will do to protect against wild BTC price fluctuations.
mircea_popescu: that's 10k usd for 1 lot
Enky: 1 lot usually is 100k usd at forex
mircea_popescu: in december i send you 1k btc for 1 lot, that's 100k usd for 1 lot ?!
kakobrekla: well i guess that the broker is 'long' on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: he'd have to be, yea.
kakobrekla: yes
mircea_popescu: just as long as he's aware of this.
kakobrekla: oh they are
mircea_popescu: good. cause as i was saying, btc is very volatile and has in the past, even recent past, caused a lot of pain.
rg: mircea
rg: the dividend is in long format
rg: right?
mircea_popescu: yep rg
rg: ok
rg: btw
kakobrekla: i have introduced bitcoin to them in january i think
kakobrekla: maybe december
rg: dont you think you should make deposit the long too
kakobrekla: or even earlier
rg: cause everything is long except deposit
rg: keep it uniform
kakobrekla: they have been following it closlely
mircea_popescu: rg well that's because it allows anon depositing
mircea_popescu: and then the digits are used to identify you
rg: oh
rg: i see
rg: that's not bad
BTC-Mining: The problem is, even if he's long on bitcoin... suppose someone makes a gain in fiat position (10%). That gain is in fiat. During that time, BTC value indeed goes long, it raises 200%. Try to buy with 10% fiat profit 10% profit in bitcoins worth 3x the price. You'd need to have made 30% profit on the position to pay the 10% in bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: yeah. in fact multiple people can deposit from same address (and they have, mtgox, etc)
BTC-Mining: Broker loses money.
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lalq9cqBFg1qc6pb2o1_400.gif a quickie is no reason for the girl not to go fully nude.
rg: i forget what my notional float is
kakobrekla: BTC-Mining, thats why there is this enourmeus suppy of coins in the bank
rg: that's my total shares right
kakobrekla: supply
BTC-Mining: Yeah, but that's INCREDIBLY RISKY for the broker
BTC-Mining: especially at 1:1000 leverage available
Enky: if it is available
kakobrekla: i guess its more of a pocket change for them
mircea_popescu: rg : pm
BTC-Mining: Well if it's just a test for the heck of it...
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i imagine it's something like that, get the ball rolling see what happens.
Enky: when will be possible to test it kako?
Enky: next month?
kakobrekla: if you can use your imagination to change eur profile to btc you can test it now
Enky: i want to operate, no demo:)
BTC-Mining: yes, that's the answer I was desperatly looking for. If the broker is aware of the risk/what he's going to do.
kakobrekla: Enky, wait till saso gets back online
BTC-Mining: BTC/fiat price has a big impact on the broker unders the terms that it doesn't affect the customer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] [PAID] 500000 @ 0.00007 = 35 BTC
BTC-Mining: Just wanted to know if that was clear with the broker.
kakobrekla: It is.
mircea_popescu: yeeee
rg: i wish i had some god dman milk
rg: i might go get some
BTC-Mining: Good, you never answered to that before. Arf, what an ordeal. Could have ended much earlier.
rg: dependinhg on how hot it is
kakobrekla: BTC-Mining: at least its over :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.1041 = 0.8328 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.10428 = 5.944 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: aye, I really wasn't sure if there was a misunderstanding between you and your contact.
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 20 @ 0.68 = 13.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 21 @ 0.68 = 14.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 100 @ 0.52 = 52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eurozone stays .75
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: what the fuck interest rates should be in the 3-5%
kakobrekla: im glad we had this discussion might help me write better faq
kakobrekla: ;>
mircea_popescu: usually how it works.
BTC-Mining: But when you insisted on the guaranteed % for the customer, I started asking about the impact for the broker instead, since there was supposed to be one.
BTC-Mining: You never answered to that broker part... were you just no longer reading my examples by that point? >.>
kakobrekla: on how to protect against btc devaluation?
Enky: they are long on bitcoin, and considering the broker, they have probably enough money to sustain prices at mtgox:))
Enky: if they would
BTC-Mining: or price raise
Enky: considering how small mtgox is
BTC-Mining: if people make a loss, and BTC price drops at the same time, or people make gains while BTC price raises at the same time
mircea_popescu: at any rate this is good by getting some more people involved in btc.
BTC-Mining: yes indeed, would be good to ahve a forex platform <-> BTC
Enky: this is good, maybe another broker do the same and bitcoin will spread in the financial community
Enky: attracting new investors that buy bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21759 @ 0.00039922 = 8.6866 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining if you think about it, as i can go right now into a forex platform with usd, whereas getting btc is complicated
mircea_popescu: they would HAVE to offer seemingly unreasonably buttered deals to get into btc.
BTC-Mining: apparently, there's some legal loopholes which would allow the BTC users to evade declaring forex profits at all... or something like that.
mircea_popescu: indeed so.
mircea_popescu: the legal loopholes are called "take your laws and shove them till you're satisfied"
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2160 @ 0.00086667 = 1.872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10046 @ 0.00086842 = 8.7241 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6800 @ 0.00086934 = 5.9115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3175 @ 0.00087173 = 2.7677 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.10428 = 10.428 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 91 @ 0.10428 = 9.4895 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: the lender is the one giving the money...
BTC-Mining: the lendee would be deposit takes
BTC-Mining: although said lendees often then loaned those funds to others
BTC-Mining: a lender cannot really be untrustworthy tho
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1200 @ 0.00087173 = 1.0461 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.8099 = 4.0495 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.81 = 3.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 200 @ 0.00085667 = 0.1713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12017 @ 0.00085573 = 10.2833 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 56 @ 0.15 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0004 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00039922 = 2.4352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9600 @ 0.00084917 = 8.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00039922 = 7.7848 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 786.15699996 BTC on 06-09-12
mircea_popescu: holy shit s.dice paid dividends ?!
BTC-Mining: You're late on the question
mircea_popescu: i just noticed
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 2 @ 0.11934398 = 0.2387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 1 @ 0.11933215 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: when is the bet due
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100000 @ 0.0034 = 340 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: which bet ?
DeaDTerra: GSDPT has paid their investors the divdidend :)
DeaDTerra: The reason why there were no ask wall as was due to that me and Erik were a bit off sync so to make it fair I took down the bid wall until I could pay the dividend.
mircea_popescu: i thought it sold out ?
mircea_popescu: or you mean, the buy side ?
DeaDTerra: No I meant like I couldn't offer any shares until the dividend had been paid out otherwise it would have gotten diluted.
mircea_popescu: ah yes.
DeaDTerra: what was the bet about?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 10 @ 1 = 10 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: I wanted to bet dammit xD
DeaDTerra: I would have bet a lot on Erik
mircea_popescu: on erik you bet by buying his shares lol
DeaDTerra: Well I could have bet on him twice xD
DeaDTerra: my pass through isn't much risk as I will only pay if Erik pays :P
mircea_popescu: i like the mkt depth on mpex so far, like 700btc worth ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.48 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4566 @ 0.00085011 = 3.8816 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (100165 shares, 340.56 BTC), 30day: 0.0032 / 0.00327629 / 0.0034 (3637679 shares, 11,918.11 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 1.035 = 10.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.10428 = 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's the news on the shtylman case btw ?
JWU_42: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 197568 | Current Difficulty: 2694047.952955 | Next Difficulty At Block: 199583 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10776191.81182005 | Estimated Percent Change: 300
JWU_42: heh
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/s4IKe.png
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.08999 = 0.8999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 10 @ 0.00989 = 0.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17029 @ 0.00040212 = 6.8477 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.074989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.FAIL] 30 @ 0.001 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 134700 @ 0.003325 = 447.8775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 250 @ 0.00358446 = 0.8961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 500 @ 0.00352902 = 1.7645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 450 @ 0.00352306 = 1.5854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 34 @ 0.00349912 = 0.119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 147 @ 0.003456 = 0.508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 417 @ 0.0033891 = 1.4133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6625 @ 0.00087173 = 5.7752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2392 @ 0.00087312 = 2.0885 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 25 @ 0.089 = 2.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1202 @ 0.003385 = 4.0688 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 70 @ 0.00359095 = 0.2514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 450 @ 0.00366612 = 1.6498 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 17 @ 0.09 = 1.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 33 @ 0.095 = 3.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 2 @ 0.00445 = 0.0089 BTC [-]
rg: usagi:
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 17 @ 0.095 = 1.615 BTC [+]
rg: i think i speak for all men when i say
rg: you're banned
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 1.02 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 33 @ 0.1 = 3.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00039996 = 16.5183 BTC [-]
smickles: rg: my domain is up for renewal, is there any place you recomend for domain management?
mircea_popescu: namecheap
kakobrekla: ZT has a service for that :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.122 = 3.538 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 20 @ 0.3200001 = 6.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.0949 = 0.2847 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <rg> i think i speak for all men when i say you're banned << well... i'm ignoring it at any rate.
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40&sign=ANY&type=RECV daily installment of pirate wot saga. today down to 103
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 4 @ 1.35 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu too bad we didnt chart it
mircea_popescu: ya lol
mircea_popescu: what did he have at the peak, 270 ?
kakobrekla: i guess
kakobrekla: hm
Enky: 270k btc?
kakobrekla: now thats a weeked project
kakobrekla: weekend
kakobrekla: chart errything historicaly from the irc chan log that streams otc ratings
kakobrekla: i think its #bitcoin-otc-ratings
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7708 @ 0.00087312 = 6.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12192 @ 0.00087369 = 10.652 BTC [+]
Enky: what r u talking about kako?
kakobrekla: about charting OTC ratings historically
kakobrekla: !getrating kakobrekla
kakobrekla: ;;getrating kakobrekla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net . User kakobrekla, rated since Fri May 13 15:50:53 2011. Cumulative rating 82, from 46 total ratings. Received ratings: 46 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 48 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla
kakobrekla: this
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
Enky: i've to add some negative feedback:)
kakobrekla: :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10427 BTC [-]
Enky: this comment is the best: "very good guy and good girlfriend, a must see"
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: Enky no, 270 trust points. you know what the wot is ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that really is a good ideea.
Enky: perhaps
mircea_popescu: what sarajoolz does is nice, but historical thing would be helpful.
Enky: 2 yrs ago kako explained it to mee, i forgot
mircea_popescu: aite.
Enky: trust points for over the count btc transaction i guess
kakobrekla: smth like that ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13253 @ 0.00040127 = 5.318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9012 @ 0.00039922 = 3.5978 BTC [-]
JWU_42: ;;getrating JWU42
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask JWU42!~JW@unaffiliated/subpar . User JWU42, rated since Thu Mar 24 19:21:43 2011. Cumulative rating 66, from 31 total ratings. Received ratings: 31 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=JWU42
JWU_42: hmm - never got close to 100
JWU_42: a negative - WTF
JWU_42: hmm
JWU_42: ahh
JWU_42: sent negative - for Mr. P
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00335 = 3.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3500 @ 0.003385 = 11.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5500 @ 0.0034 = 18.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 840 @ 0.9107277 = 765.0113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 10000 @ 0.00100554 = 10.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 15000 @ 0.00100831 = 15.1247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 25000 @ 0.00102545 = 25.6363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12134 @ 0.0008624 = 10.4644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8000 @ 0.00084917 = 6.7934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15200 @ 0.00084525 = 12.8478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6553 @ 0.00084496 = 5.537 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 23600 @ 0.00083489 = 19.7034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12888 @ 0.00082673 = 10.6549 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2700 @ 0.00082516 = 2.2279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2300 @ 0.00081842 = 1.8824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13300 @ 0.00081575 = 10.8495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3325 @ 0.00080755 = 2.6851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3164 @ 0.00080755 = 2.5551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15418 @ 0.00080439 = 12.4021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 180 @ 0.24918261 = 44.8529 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.0034 = 0.1428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19069 @ 0.00040212 = 7.668 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12331 @ 0.00040348 = 4.9753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00040348 = 8.4731 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 24 @ 0.3200001 = 7.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.122 = 0.61 BTC [+]
gabbynot: what movie?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1471 @ 0.00079964 = 1.1763 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.119 = 0.833 BTC [-]
Enky: i havent understood too much the whole story
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 30 @ 0.15 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 6 @ 0.15 = 0.9 BTC [+]
gabbynot: he's not using escrow, correct?
gabbynot: usagi: isn't the matthew thing a big part of nyan.c assets?
gabbynot: the bet
gabbynot: still bids on the PPT's…certainly a hail mary gamble
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
gabbynot: i'd bid .02 at this point
gabbynot: you never know i guess
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.149 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10427 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 100 @ 0.089 = 8.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.09 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.099 = 2.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 100 @ 0.064998 = 6.4998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 9 @ 0.021 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.003395 = 0.0679 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10427 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 15 @ 0.10428 = 1.5642 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00039971 = 13.3503 BTC [-]