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mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: is cn disqualified?
mircea_popescu: nope.
ben_vulpes nods
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714560 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714563 << $firm specifically claimed to colo, wat. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 23:48 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 00:01 mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: you talk to dcs. is "$firm" a datacenter ?
asciilifeform: claimed to be.
mircea_popescu: this is contradictory with your actual statement, "рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)".
asciilifeform: and no i dun have any in my l2, so stuck probing rando dc . shared typical example of rubbish, by no means all.
asciilifeform: that was their reply
mircea_popescu: a datacenter is a physical item with a fixed physical location.
mircea_popescu: if it has doubts as to its physical location, it is an isp not a dc.
asciilifeform: they claim to have several dc
mircea_popescu: then they ARE NOT A DC.
mircea_popescu: line ends there.
asciilifeform: where is it written that no 1 co can own >1 dc ?
mircea_popescu: if person "has several houses", person is not person, is real estate agent.
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought this is obvious ; or at least it is to all my girls that were ever sent to put roots down anywhere.
asciilifeform knows folx with >1 house who dun fit any plausible description of 'real estate agent'
asciilifeform: what's next, d00d with >1 car, is a taxipark ?
mircea_popescu: exact same here. if they don't know where they're located, they're not any part of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in discussing anything with the over-dcs indirection layer. that is the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: that layer MUST be pierced. that is also the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: much like dns, and for the same reasons as the dns, it does not serve us.
asciilifeform possibly grasps mircea_popescu's binomial
asciilifeform: how to pierce reseller spamolade biofilm
mircea_popescu: and as tempting as it may be TO THE NAIVE, this "oh, i found an actually workable one" is what we've been doing for years. there's people in the logs vouching for cherry servers, the FUCKTARDS who outlook.com their email and so following.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "a good one".
asciilifeform: they're 'good' until there's actual pressure on the gaskets and then not.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
mircea_popescu: ownership level must match usage level.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz expand ?
mircea_popescu: what's to expand, we're too big to be subletting randos apartments ; must have own brownstone owned outright.
mircea_popescu: we can afford to ; and we must do so. the fact that "nobody" ever lived in any other arrangement than subletting from whoever they were sucking the cock of that month dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: is it absolutely needed that cage provider eat btc ?
asciilifeform: ( and is mircea_popescu speaking of literally owning the bricks on which the cage stands ? or only the comp )
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine that it is, no
mircea_popescu: and no, i expect owning the hardware will be sufficient.
asciilifeform: then i found a candidate
asciilifeform: testing ain't cheap or quick tho.
mircea_popescu: sadly, it isn't, which is why this has been a topic for many months now.
asciilifeform: it'd rock if there were already a man on location. but instead it may have to be asciilifeform with very large flat suitcase .
asciilifeform: ( it is naturally possible to mail a machine but i strongly suspect that it is simply a way to give enemy phreee hardware )
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with a little bit of travel.
mircea_popescu: keeps the blood moving and besides you never know where the other pet is waiting for you.
asciilifeform: nothing aside from time.
asciilifeform: but yeah
mircea_popescu: make sure you reg a corp and hire a lawyer on location.
asciilifeform: afaik in ru that requires a bona fide citizen.
mircea_popescu: ideally, gift the man a used laptop with pgp on it.
asciilifeform: iirc phf volunteered for this part.
asciilifeform: hey phf ! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so get your citizenship, you never know when it's useful. ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol would've years ago if they gave it out
mircea_popescu: your parents were nationals weren't they ?
asciilifeform: of su
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they give out.
asciilifeform: not in absentia. gotta live there, like any kazakh or turkmen etc, for decade or sumthing.
asciilifeform did inquire, few yrs ago
mircea_popescu: !~google compatriots act 1999
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Citizens and Compatriots - PONARS Eurasia: <http://www.ponarseurasia.org/sites/default/files/policy-memos-pdf/pepm_077.pdf>; Citizenship of Russia - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_Russia>; Russian Federation - Federal Act No. 99-FZ of 24 May 1999 on State ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: all offspring of all soviet citizens.
asciilifeform: eligible for the normal procedure aha
asciilifeform: it ain't a costarica, you gotta actually prove continuous residence & employment ( or alternatively being loaded and then you get passport from mr. p personally signed )
mircea_popescu has never experienced this wonder where citizenship is a problem ; but then again whatevs.
mircea_popescu: it's squarely in the class of issues which, provided you have a lawyer pour enough hours into it, ALWAYS gets fixed your way.
asciilifeform: i imagine just about anything short of heat death of universe can be fixed like this, lol
mircea_popescu: so i guess to rephrase, "so start them working on your citizenship, you never know when it's useful."
mircea_popescu: but no, "us can't make planes" or "White boy can't jump" come well short of heat death of universe, and can't be fixed in the manner.
mircea_popescu: anyway. see what local lawyer has to say. that's what they're for.
mircea_popescu: and, to be perfectly clear : this is entirely non-blocking. much like the logs, if we end up with two ALL THE BETTER.\
asciilifeform: the actual text of their law dun seem the least bit ambiguous re the residency thing. but ianal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so spend some bitcents buy a small place in shitberg and pretend like you live there what.
asciilifeform: bitcents lol
asciilifeform: incidentally what exactly does having an officially regged corp in orcistan buy ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/der-schlussakkord-o-sopirla/ << Trilema - Der Schlussakkord, o sopirla.
mircea_popescu: well, that there's a local party to whatever agreements ; a local someone to sue or threaten to sue ; and in general, it's a good thing to have.
mircea_popescu: why ~not~ have it ? you need the 500 bux or w/e it is that badly ?
mircea_popescu: there's overprovision that's stupid ; and then there's overprovision that's a matter of course. i've more fuel in the tank than ima going to use on the next sortie ; and more girls than i fuck and more food in the fridge than i eat and why the fuck wouldn't i.
asciilifeform: very easy when you ain't gotta boil own meat to make the fuel
asciilifeform: ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now as to the other point : since you're making it for yourself, see if you can cram 1TB of ram in there for the phuctor box ?
mircea_popescu: and get at least another one.
mircea_popescu: and all this, of course, is going into the s.nsa books.
mircea_popescu: what are you renting, like a 32U rack ?
asciilifeform: 1u to start.
mircea_popescu: not worth bothering with less than 4.
asciilifeform: already began to gather the pieces of the box, howdyaguess
mircea_popescu: cuz it's what i do for a living.
asciilifeform brb, very neglected pet needs attn
mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: inb4 alf discovers official corp in shitistan can rent warehouse, which is better arrangement for his domestic factory than shittington "house".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714646 << under discussion was the corp registration as an add-on, not the whole story. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 01:03 asciilifeform: ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714656 << admittedly was thinking 'spot welder' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 01:05 mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
asciilifeform: unobtrusive, just put 200amps b/w screwhead and chassis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpgram plz re prospective contents of the other 3 u.
asciilifeform: ( mechanically, speaking )
mircea_popescu: three servers, for to vps out of or whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is what if you hafta replace item in raid.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, what's reasonable these days ? 256gb / 1+0 4ssd raid / some intel cpu ? or can you find rackable older amds ?
asciilifeform: it's expensive, noshit. ( not as painful as if we had a satallite tho!11 )
asciilifeform: can even have old amd, but with the expected horsepower hit ( and afaik none were made that ate >256G )
mircea_popescu: so then 1, for phuctor, 1tb item ; 1 for special purpose amd, as much as it can carry, and 2 run of the mill, what's to be found at a decent price.
asciilifeform: but yes it looks like a $2-3k to change a dead hdd..
mircea_popescu: that much ? usual cost ~100-150 per hour of tech hands.
asciilifeform: if i gotta do it with own hands then yes
mircea_popescu: doesn't take an hour to do this ; but they do have nimimums so.
asciilifeform: if techs get to do it, then techs get to play with the old disks neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to do with own hands the correct approach is to seal the box, have redundancy in there, and just switch over, ahve the box mailed to you etc.
asciilifeform: was my thought aha
mircea_popescu: you can't be jumping in a plane seat every time some toshiba pos dies, it's unsanitary.
asciilifeform: raid1 with e.g. 4 hdd
asciilifeform: build it like for orbit.
mircea_popescu: "1+0 4ssd raid" means exactly that.
asciilifeform: recall the 'bottom of the sea' thread.
mircea_popescu: BUT what i meant was, have a box of phuctor racked, and an identical box, stored at the dc (they do offer storage), or even also-racked.
mircea_popescu: if one dies, have them mail it to you, then you mail back.
asciilifeform: notbad idea
mircea_popescu: though this seems drastically overkill.
asciilifeform: prolly beats airplane tho
asciilifeform: costwise.
mircea_popescu: beats airpl;ane, yes. not even a matter of cost, a matter of time and wear-and-tear of the human capital.
mircea_popescu: but esp for phuctor, why bother. what are the local techs gonna do with the old hdd, not like it's not all on the web anyway
asciilifeform: yeah i still can't fathom why they're fixated on pilferage of phuctor hdd
mircea_popescu: likely because that's how they exam take.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we have here hdd!!"
asciilifeform: 'quota of hdds covertlyraped this 5yrplan'
mircea_popescu: !!up jawbone
deedbot: jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-party-reacts-to-pantsuits-book-by-capitulating-to-president-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Party Reacts To Pantsuit's Book By Capitulating To President Trump
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/702e9g/the_rise_of_white_identity_explained/ << For the recordbot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i must admit that i found it utterly impossible to determine what the piece ^ is actually about
asciilifeform: from the text
asciilifeform: ( or for that matter, at all )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hillary published a book. The timing of the book's release coincides with Pelosi and Schumer moistening Herr Trump's balls.
asciilifeform: expand re the latter ?
BingoBoingo: They are going to white house dinners, and making "frameworks for future deals"
asciilifeform: dun necessarily mean future deals with the old man, whose balls appear to have crumbled when prodded, like tutankhamon's - does it
asciilifeform: could just as easily mean with mr. joo or the rest.
BingoBoingo: Now because of this Herr Trump is lavishing praise on them for "bipartisanship" while pantsuit's media arm is still villainizing him
BingoBoingo: next year is a congressional election year
BingoBoingo: congressional elections get primaries too
asciilifeform: tru
BingoBoingo: By accepting Trump's hospitality those primary elections are getting much more expensive
mircea_popescu: it's not just "antifa" that got shed.
mircea_popescu: in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press.
mircea_popescu: perfectly reasonable in economic terms, as they cost more than they make, but entirely incomprehensible in jew press terms, because they really thought they were princesses, somehow.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the folx they import for voting, read papers
asciilifeform: so it never made sense to my naked eye why feed a deeply -ev nyt etc
mircea_popescu: i didn't even mean financially, that part is you know, necessary bundle with the bezzle. i meant actually in ideal terms. intellectually, ideologically, however you'd call it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press. << Turn out Bezos is really going to get cooked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment -- how does nyt et al 'cost' moar - intellectually - than pravda et al ?
mircea_popescu: because of the pretense of "creativity" as in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ 3rd point.
mircea_popescu: pravda was intellectually very simple and unassuming : here's shannonized gosplan.
mircea_popescu: this is very much a work of "it was a rainy night in december, i was having my tonsils basted when i stumbled on a copy of the gosplan blablabla"
mircea_popescu: it was comparatively easy to discern bad pravda copy from acceptable ; it is nigh on impossiblew to do same for washington post, nytimes and other fishwrappers, which is why the cloud of successive layers of "discussion" and "disagreement" and "critique" and so following.
mircea_popescu: as none of this has anything to do with reality, none of it is in any way beneficial, but 100% overhead.
asciilifeform: most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho
mircea_popescu: in other words, pravda was a cutout triangle, whereas this is a 3d pyramid. way the fuck more material sinks in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform under the pressure of necessity, it has to be.
asciilifeform: 'looksy, chix studing envirowhinetronics in kabul! fleadom!' 'ohnoez terrorists' 'ru stooges in whitehouse' etc
mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ... ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho << But NYT, WAPO, etc are only INTERNALLY concordant. Reconciling the different NYT and WAPO creativities is noise generation
mircea_popescu: god. wtf was the wanna-be big deal da who got von flondored recently ?
asciilifeform: this is probably where i admit that i can't actually stomach a whole wapo front to back
mircea_popescu: because there was some "economist" that was churning out curtis yarvinesque pieces that got similarily von flondored, except quietlier-ly
BingoBoingo can't recall
mircea_popescu: krugman!
asciilifeform: waiwat he's gone?!
BingoBoingo: OH?!
asciilifeform: nowai
mircea_popescu: so, look at the shit krugman was churning out, or for that matter look at the shit paul graham was churning out. or yes, yarvin.
asciilifeform: last i knew all 3 had their sinecures and microphones
mircea_popescu: the proof positive of how expensive the idiocy was, is that they've failed to keep it up over time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but no content!
mircea_popescu: that's what "too expensive intellectually" means. they can't keep coming up with the dumb shit.
asciilifeform: they had content!?
BingoBoingo: Aha
mircea_popescu: this is the thermodynamic brick wall of socialism. it's sterile in fiction.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They had wordcount and utterance count
asciilifeform: next step is the use of actual shannonizer. why not
mircea_popescu: and soudnbyte count, and quotability index and in general, before the mayo got cut by trilema & friends, it was an actual mayo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because then it's ~pravda.
asciilifeform: goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo.
asciilifeform: i already can distinguish it only with great difficulty from pravda
mircea_popescu: of course that's the next step, but it's a step down in in-universe terms.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo. << Shannonizer doesn't do pro-Amazon lobbying and ad copy
asciilifeform: and i dare say 'малая земля' was moar interesting reading than 'words of my daddy' or what was it
mircea_popescu: he meant, "it's good enough for random mfa, why not good enough for ogilvy-mathers". and he has a point -- it is good enough.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but Wapo's purpose is promoting Bezos pantsuitism. If wapo shirks this Bezos gets anti-trust stick
asciilifeform: lolsuuuree right after microshit
asciilifeform: the d00d who runs универмаг totally gets antitrusted ahaha.
mircea_popescu: for log completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714731 should read "but look at the idiotic pieces krugman used to shit out before getting preet'd on the quiet" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 03:33 mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : New York U.S. attorney Preet Bharara says Trump fired him - USA Today mar 11 ; New York AG Hires Bharara Corruption Guy to Look Into Trump - NYMag mar 20
mircea_popescu: september 14th says hello to you, brave soviets of yesterspring!
BingoBoingo: Preets don't have spring. Their seasons are monsoon and not monsoon.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: and "left wing intellectuals" don't have much wind.
mircea_popescu: as if there even could fucking be such a thing, as an intellectual, ie, somehow who cultivates his mind, who is left, which is to say dedicated to stupidity.
mircea_popescu: for the same money i'd like some flying submarines and you know, maga.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the slut depo, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3cda6174673c5aeb357d537d4914ff09/tumblr_nu4e6rHomc1u462dao1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/ << o check it out, remember anton something or the other, what's his face.
mircea_popescu: BITCOIN EXPERT of yore
asciilifeform meanwhile picked up new pulse welder an' electrodez
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1479...0707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...1219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
BingoBoingo: In other petite flondorings, a climatarast https://archive.is/DdcPi
BingoBoingo: WTF: "“Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you teach. Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you do research,” Schlesinger wrote to a disabilities services specialist at the university, announcing his departure last week. He accused the staff member of writing him “coercive emails” about the accommodation and copied his entire class on climate and global change on the exchange."
BingoBoingo: When's the fun?
BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is from Mr. Climatarast: "While he gave all of his students hard copies of his lecture notes before class, he said, he didn’t provide electronic copies because “based on my experience of providing all my students my lecture slides after each lecture for most if not all of the 16 times I have taught this course, I knew that one-third of my class would cease coming to my lectures if I provided them my lecture slides electro
BingoBoingo: nically. And their ceasing to attend my lectures would lower their course grades.”"
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tvyG8/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/15/a-very-ordinary-idea-a-simple-statement-of-a-known-fact/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A very ordinary idea, a simple statement of a known fact.
asciilifeform: !!up fcbl
deedbot: fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: fcbl: speak, mortal.
fcbl: hail
fcbl: I am here to listen
asciilifeform: fcbl: you know, there's a log , right ?
fcbl: Mircea's blog brought me here
fcbl: don't really know how to get to it
asciilifeform: fcbl: http://btcbase.org/log and there are mirrors, log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , logs.bvulpes.com .
fcbl: thank you
fcbl: appreciate that
fcbl: I usually understand about 20% I think about what's discussed
fcbl: but I try to catch on
shinohai: It takes time to accustom oneself to the vernacular here, reading logs back as far as you dare will help.
fcbl: I dare it all :)
fcbl: have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago ☟︎
fcbl: never left me
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg ☟︎
trinque: lol
trinque: in all fairness, the kid didn't try to use the parts for chair, food, hat.
asciilifeform: hey here in usa we had 'clock boy'
asciilifeform: ( whatever happened to that )
BingoBoingo: Clock boy became great again or something
trinque: went to qatar or something. ☟︎
trinque: which iirc is lately un-great-again.
asciilifeform simply assumed that d00d reached some absorbingstate or other, couldn't be arsed to follow the nonsense
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu !
mod6: afternoon o7
mircea_popescu: hola
asciilifeform still thinks 'o7' == 'brigadier general'
mod6: lol.
BingoBoingo: Eh contortionist girl salute 87 is better
mod6: ooh, i like that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w984V/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's so contortionist about hand over tits ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's not hand over tits. It's Foot over tits over ass, with head, other leg, arms folded out of view behind body
mircea_popescu: you are a demanding iconographer BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: !!up fcbl
deedbot: fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: were you ever here befoar, comanescule ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I demand my symbols reflect reality
mircea_popescu: that's why they're so polished then
fcbl: aye
fcbl: a week ago
fcbl: for the first time Sir
mircea_popescu: lumea s-a schimbat mei.
fcbl: (I was F on Trilema longer time ago)
mircea_popescu: i know.
fcbl: I'm honored you remember
mircea_popescu: i never forget a name
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's why they're so polished then << Shiny and Chrome
mircea_popescu: har har
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o noes, no moar up up up ?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714800 << might want to reg your pgp key. you have one do you ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 17:39 fcbl: have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, Dollar's back to crashing again. Just down to month or two ago crashingness again
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714804 << i can't discern if this is self-parody or exo-parody ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 18:39 BingoBoingo: Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Appears to actually be earnest publication
mircea_popescu: ONE POUND worth of unintentional irony self-crits ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's abotu fair.
BingoBoingo: It's the way of zaire (pronoun) people
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714810 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713741 roflmao. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 18:44 trinque: went to qatar or something.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/ << Qntra - Media And Clergy Orchestrated Civil Disorder Erupts In Downtown St Louis After Acquittal
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw that's a charged term in central empire (царь-государь lands) because the main character in crna macka was zare. and he doth get the girl.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's also what Mobutu Sese Seko misgendernamed the Congo as
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: somehow the earlier "change you can believe in" / "hope and change" blue usg brought to congo as obama I never stuck to them.
mircea_popescu: really, anyone expected Obama II embodied in Hussein Bahamas turn out any fucking different from Obama I dry run, CIA and Mobutu love story ?
BingoBoingo: Well Hussein Bahamas is just as much CIA creature as Bush I, in that way more Bush than W. was
mircea_popescu: certainly blue state creature.
mircea_popescu: bush, kinda pink.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, purple. something in between
BingoBoingo: Bush I was solidly murple
mircea_popescu: it's funny, what multi-generational retards the us breeds.
mircea_popescu: bush fambly perhaps best example of how not to keep livestock.
BingoBoingo: Hey, the Belgians still made the most fashionable of the Congo Mao suits
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "we're really very gay, but haven't yet figured out how to work the schlongs, only woman knows teh secrets" camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/42098db929861153ec16f4dd90e896d0/tumblr_ntj118mBaJ1uaofddo1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: http://thegoldwater.com/news/8115-Suck-My-D-ck-Driver-Says-before-Plowing-through-BLM << From civil disorder practice earlier this week. SUV man now local folk hero
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hey, aborting a whole ream of escaped avortons in one go. i can see the arousal potential.
BingoBoingo: "Stockley shot Smith five separate times and prosecutors argued during the trial that Stockley put a gun in Smith’s car after the encounter." << Per the verdict there was no fifth shot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well he just told them to fuck off and made them get out of his white way
mircea_popescu: oh i thought he was talking to passenger
BingoBoingo: Oh, I dunno
mircea_popescu: anyway, the blm bullshit is straight up argentina import.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at slavegirl camp, "say no to the o!" http://friskyb.tumblr.com/post/165154383535/sntto-day-8
mircea_popescu: !!up NotEvenWrong
deedbot: NotEvenWrong voiced for 30 minutes.
NotEvenWrong: Gentlemen! The strangest thing happened to me yesterday: people voluntary exchanged their bitcoin for my bcrash!
mircea_popescu: good for you.
NotEvenWrong: at a rate of 0.125, no less!
mircea_popescu: well, so you deed a good deed, released some schmucks from their burden
NotEvenWrong: many thanks to all for the wonderful logs
mircea_popescu: back when teh usg still had any hope, it was 0.14x even
NotEvenWrong: It was at 0.22 a few weeks back(!)
NotEvenWrong: I'm actually about to help a friend dump his
mircea_popescu: and also, "why make the breast pump hand held when it could be STEEL CHASSIS ?!?!?!" http://68.media.tumblr.com/4305a909780c8c074f0a67accaa6e8b2/tumblr_o6jz94RWl11svlhezo1_1280.jpg
mod6: nice pumps
asciilifeform: moo..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the convention is that girls who feel a deep urge to be so abused answer "moo" to that pic.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tMAgD/?raw=true << illustrative.
asciilifeform: oh speaking of this, asciilifeform's pet had response to mircea_popescu's 'o sopirla' : 'there is also an inverse sopirla, where an item has the outward pretense of disobedience, but in fact reaffirms pantsuit orthodoxy. did the romanians have a name for it as well?'
mircea_popescu: no, because the first romanian to ever notice this exists was called mircea popescu.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: that's the advantage of living in a small pond, the exact opposite of the problem of math.
asciilifeform can picture
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could stretch "hypocrisy" to try and fit it, if you must.
asciilifeform: nah unspecific
mircea_popescu: well you could also call it graham, or yarvin, or somesuch.
asciilifeform: sopirla is very delectably specific
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: but the phenomenon of "think outside the box! in the sense of out of that one and into this one!" is very widespread, which is why such shock and awe as in eg http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#comment-119962
mircea_popescu: and the problem is also a LOT bigger than commonly understood. a scientist's ability to produce anything meaningful is forever trapped in the superifical tension of a very narrow menisc : between him being caught in a certain box ("paradigm") but not in the other one ("orthodoxy").
mircea_popescu: too loose and he won't be comprehended, like poisson couldn't read galois, notwithstanding certain talent and ability.
asciilifeform: !#s hill climbing
a111: 5 results for "hill climbing", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hill%20climbing
asciilifeform: ^ thread somewhere
mircea_popescu: too tight and it won't be worth reading, like all the nature science being pushed out by the shovelful.
mircea_popescu: nature-mag science.
asciilifeform: it's a fundamental tension in ~everything~, because it is in fact an information-theoretical problem and not at all domain-specific
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as information theoretical, seeing how information has an actual thermodynamic backing.
mircea_popescu: it is purely theoretical! as in theoretical physics theoretical.
asciilifeform: yayagodcreatedintegersandallelseisworkofman etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if one built a cylinder with independent pistons and a partition, and put a single molecule in, and knew on which side it found itself, that one could extract entropy work out of the assemblage!"
mircea_popescu: !~google szilard engine
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Szilard engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DSzilard_engine%26redirect%3Dno>; Entropy in thermodynamics and information theory - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory>; Szilard's engine – Powered by Knowledge – The Quantum and ...: <http://www.quantumcomplexity.org/tutorials/knowledge-is-power-the-energy-cont
mircea_popescu: the work is quite specifically k T ln2.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean by "entropy work". $value-of-entropy work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'szilard's engine' believe or not has a more ancient ru peasant existence!111 in the proverb 'Знал бы где упасть -- соломки бы подстелил' .
mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: aaha.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's not exactly novel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wk4BV/?raw=true
asciilifeform: got it!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the boxen : the correct solution to "how much box" is, on the basis of both practical observation (every time tought, either as science, or as art, or as political work worked to date ; not to mention coral growth and everything else) as well as theoretical understanding is to provide SPURS instead of walls.
mircea_popescu: because that's how you resolve the "i can't tell if this young'un is galois or insane" in practice of elder, slower, heavier gents : "follow ONE fucking spur to allow me to organize your nonsense, god damn it!"
mircea_popescu: then if you really care about 2d, 3d, nd effects we can... guess what... examine further orthogonal ones ?! wow!
mircea_popescu: it's ~ what "causes, not purposes" does irl, as a forinstance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cjPxB/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714617 << goal is to establish co in moscows, and put a colo on its name? i can make inquiries about at least some of the steps, but not sure i'll be able to perform all the necessary actions in the time left. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 00:34 asciilifeform: hey phf !
asciilifeform: phf: get the corp at least. you're the only 1 here who can at reasonable expense.
asciilifeform: believe or not asciilifeform has 0 usable ties to ru at all. not even the ancient pieces of paper, survived.
asciilifeform: phf: and gpgram with mircea_popescu , things are in (a sort of ) motion.
mircea_popescu: tsk.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, do you have a muscovi corp reg'd ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform is trying the newton'smethod thing
mircea_popescu: the what now ?
asciilifeform: the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713533 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 17:48 apeloyee: reciprocal can be calculated with newton's method
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in poor girl shoeshining stand, http://68.media.tumblr.com/aa0e01517041655ea1745eb15b61d4bf/tumblr_nhpmqvFGDL1rjkemgo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: new meaning to 'bootlicks'
shinohai: New meaning to "shinebox"
trinque: new meaning to trenchfoot
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/bbe5125070485270bc12420e9cefa0fc/tumblr_oi5tjnJ3JC1su4pcbo1_1280.jpg <<< shhhh!
trinque: lol!
mod6: nice snapper
kanzure: asciilifeform: so what was your better than inkjet deposition solution thing?
kanzure: i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.
kanzure: +z
asciilifeform: wait i had one?!
asciilifeform: 10e14 of wat ? bits ? MB ? GB ?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
kanzure: sorry, that was the wrong number. 10^14 bits is today's write demand.
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asciilifeform: and write on what?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Presumably african frog?
kanzure: anyway the concern is that there's not enough pure silicon available to make enough flash memory for future projected demands of like 2^28 bits in ~20 years.
asciilifeform: and so instead write with dna, a mol of which weighs approx what young elephant weighs ?
asciilifeform: makes tape look pretty good
kanzure: 10^14 kg of wafer-grade silicon vs 1 kg dna
asciilifeform: 'folx who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' as mccarthy put it
kanzure: and i think it's like 1 picogram/bit for flash memory..
asciilifeform: and precisely how are we to run out of si, the #1 abundant element in the planet's crust ?!
asciilifeform: holyfuq
kanzure: we currently are not processing beach sand for semiconductor wafers
BingoBoingo: What sand the future processes is the future's problem
asciilifeform: this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
asciilifeform: and certainly the 'and give each an ipnoje so he'll shuddup' ain't either.
kanzure: these cat pics are important
asciilifeform: y'know the meat device for displaying those is already built : there's 1 on my windowsill atm
kanzure: but the nsa can't use that to capture and store all the packets..
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imagine when those bits spoil in the heat of Utah desert!
asciilifeform pictures yeast storage, and seekrit usg brewery
mircea_popescu: how come these tards manage to always "be concerned" about "future" insufficiency ?
mircea_popescu: THEYRE INSUFFICIENT TODAY! and enoughly so for anyone!
asciilifeform: they got meat production 5year plan, y'see
kanzure: i typed 50 pages of notes (about 30k words) but i'm not sure it should be considered public
mircea_popescu: there's not enough si, check that dumb shit out, only the most common material in crust.
mircea_popescu: kanzure actually, it should be considered manure.
asciilifeform: see that there living room ? it's to have 50 somalis in it by end of 5yplan.
kanzure: not enough silicon of the type that is used
mircea_popescu: i can promise you absolutely nobody will ever read it. in this sense "whether it's public" is not unlike rosie mcdowell wondering if her cunt's got privacy.
asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in point of hact, her uglty snatch is private no matter what she does.
kanzure: bilinear maps are the future tho
asciilifeform: apple trees on mars!111
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/
asciilifeform: !#s boneh
a111: 18 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
asciilifeform: kanzure ^ for your enjoyment
mircea_popescu: i don't think he reads anything that's not patently idiotic.
mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so far shows no symptoms of doing so, no
BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable ☟︎
asciilifeform: and ended up without either
mircea_popescu: interesting point.
BingoBoingo: !#s crabapple
a111: 1 result for "crabapple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crabapple
asciilifeform met the d00d in the meat
asciilifeform: he's an older, smaller-calibre bernstein
BingoBoingo: !#s apple
a111: 1911 results for "apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=apple
BingoBoingo: !#s crab apple
a111: 1 result for "crab apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crab%20apple
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687761 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:56 mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if the year were 1995 and you were on sci.crypt and the denizen loon is promising 'zipper that zips 100MB into 100kB' you would laugh. but you do not laugh at publickkeysignatureaggregation ?!
asciilifeform: pray tell why not.
asciilifeform: and this is only one of the pseudoscientific horrors that boneh is pushing today.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect he's familiar.
asciilifeform: ( flavoured with much proofyjuice of course )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is explicitly mentioned in kanzure's link, which is why i use as example
mircea_popescu: you don't correctly grasp the level of superficiality involved.
mircea_popescu: remember, "atmospheric feeding".
asciilifeform: plus obsessed over in the #wizards heathen pit where kanzure is known to dwell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's meaningless.
asciilifeform: so betcha he knows.
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of "know" contemplated here ?
asciilifeform: 1) knows how $algo worx 2) knows how it fails, and eventually produces phantom sigs 3) knows who pushes it 4) knows why
mircea_popescu: "visually recognizes string, like parrot" or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: absolutely not.
BingoBoingo: Know is a prejudicial un-solarshaded term
kanzure: just last week i was in SF because http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-core-dev-tech/2017-09-06-signature-aggregation/
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: knows.
kanzure: i wasn't aware that i had to report my whereabouts to you guys but whatever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
asciilifeform: kanzure: really nobody gives half a shit
asciilifeform: i presume that d00d knows because he is not unintelligent.
kanzure: you don't give me giga shits?
mircea_popescu: you understand this is how the shit works, yes ? there's the bars, and there's the bar flies, and there's the indie bands. the relationship between all three is entirely coincidental.
mircea_popescu: people-who-go-to-conferences, ie bar flies, will at any point be in a conference hall. this has no relation to anything else.
asciilifeform: now i have nfi actually re kanzure . but boneh knows very well what he's doing.
kanzure: https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mihir/papers/multisignatures-ccs.pdf
mircea_popescu: people-who-talk-at-conferences, ie indie bands, will at any point also be in a conference hall.
asciilifeform: his nuremberg defense will be challenging.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is driven by the bar.
asciilifeform: so kanzure wouldja humour me, and say to me why i cannot compress a 1000TB backup into a 1024byte sig
mircea_popescu: ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
asciilifeform: and get it out again
kanzure: anyway thanks for the encouragement about public releasing (d|i)arpa notes
kanzure: why are you doing compression
asciilifeform: to show how ludicrous the claim of 'aggregate N signatures into fixed space'
kanzure: i thought this was about authorization
asciilifeform: it is about informationtheoretical impossibility of the claim, period
asciilifeform: and the inadmissibility of lossy operations in crypto