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jfw: hm, so the genesis would just be a placeholder
manifest basically?
mp_en_viaje:
this guy (who was in spain, and who was in many other early soups back when all these players were still kids or unheard of) said it about hitler something like good gracious, he won't do, he's a vegetarian teetotalitarian. chesterton and the crowd picked it up.
diana_coman: and sure, one can still branch (effectively on the
manifest file), but again, I don't see the situation where the leaves are not obvious even in a huge tree.
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959017 - if you mean the branches from before the
manifest was introduced in that specific tree, it's not that much "with a
manifest" really; but in any case, regardless of how many leaves there are, they are still obvious enough in a tree text dump so that I don't think it's needed separately as such.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 03:55:25 bvt: diana_coman: i have a question about leafs command: can you explain how you use it? i gave it some thought, and honestly i fail to see how it is useful: after adding the
manifest which linearizes the vpatches, "leafs" reports only one leaf, without showing the split vtree branches before it.
bvt: diana_coman: i have a question about leafs command: can you explain how you use it? i gave it some thought, and honestly i fail to see how it is useful: after adding the
manifest which linearizes the vpatches, "leafs" reports only one leaf, without showing the split vtree branches before it.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, this is the fundamental defect of all utopian "thinking", of the reformation ("the testament i read, and the testament that is,
are the same testament!!!") in general, and of pretty much all usian attempts, from "believe women" to "
manifest destiny" or w/e. this hope to one thing.
mircea_popescu: it's just one of those lulzy ustardian tropes, like "
manifest destiny" or "ourdemocracy" or whatever first pass ambergris in that vein.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the
manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the
manifest file.
bvt: diana_coman: ty for spotting this. i will regring vpatches p.1 and p.2; i wanted to make the vpatch p.1 name the same in
manifest and file system, but did the wrong thing there just editing the line from previous vpatch in vpatch p.2.
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the
manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the
manifest file.
diana_coman: bvt: why does your
vpatch cancel a line from the
manifest? To my mind this doesn't quite make sense - if you want to revert to a previous point, that means simply branching the tree from a previous node so using *that*
manifest, doesn't it?
mod6: mircea_popescu: Ok, I have published my trb keccak regrind on the bitcoin.foundation site. It comes with the following: 1. Update to original genesis.vpatch - removes the UTF charater. 2. Added mod6_privkey_tools.vpatch (unchanged fro the original ML posting by myself.) 3. A
manifest file. 4. I've also updated the howto document on thebitcoin.foundation.
mp_en_viaje: they'd like to be ready, see. they just... aren't. and because people are perverse, this tends to
manifest rather as exam taking than actual improvement. they don't become any ready-er, they just become adept at pretending they are.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:40:37 trinque: and this retort that real men
manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
trinque: and this retort that real men
manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
mp_en_viaje: man's impact on the world surroundant's a lot less
manifest than that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-30 13:30:48 diana_coman: at any rate, the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out the change and making it directly on my blog so that the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree to head; make code +
manifest file changes; test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
diana_coman: at any rate, the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out the change and making it directly on my blog so that the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree to head; make code +
manifest file changes; test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a
manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
mp_en_viaje: but it's quite
manifest, their principal fear/problem/goal is to AVOID investment.
mp_en_viaje: yes, on the basis of the pompous bullshit you keep spitting into the logs i had formed the impression that you're sitting on a large stash of assorted hardware, which is a major factor of your
manifest refusal to leave the washington swamp.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 20:35:30 lobbes: wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the
MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting
lobbes wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the
MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding its
manifest popularity among the most perdurant and pervasive type of hostis humani generis, it's still impracticable insanity.
mircea_popescu: byantines, successful, us about to become unsuccessful (ie, its fundamental unsuccessfulability preparing to become
manifest)
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, well I suppose that's another reason why the
manifest mechanism is useful: if I signed a patch P at t1, and later I found out that it does something stupid or subtly malicious or whatever; then at t2 I can sign the "inverse" to P and give context to that signature in the
manifest (whoever tries to press that has to know why particularly I made some change)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 17:09:12 diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your
manifest?
diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your
manifest?
mod6: With everything in the right place... (I even needed a '/var/db/repos/mod6/metadata' directory with one file in it, 'layout.conf', that contains one single line: masters = cuntoo) then I was able to run a `ebuild ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64-20180924.ebuild clean
manifest install merge` and end up with the extracted contents in '/ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64-20180924'.
mp_en_viaje: suppose instead the fellow only knew K. he'd have pressed t1#t1, resulting in a gns a0->b0 ; a1 -> b2 ; a2 -> b5 and a
manifest #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At t3, a fellow looks to add a2 -> b5 to the gns. suppose this fellow whose name is R knows only Q. Thus therefore he presses t2#t1, and so gns becomes a1->b1, a2->b5 while
manifest becomes #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At t2, there is a patch upon t0#t0, transforming gns to a1->b1 ;
manifest becomes #t1. this is signed by A, Q, G, B, N, I.
mp_en_viaje: At t1, there is a patch upon t0#t0, transforming gns to a0 -> b0 ; a1 -> b2 ;
manifest becomes #t1. this is signed by A, W, F, G, U, K.
mp_en_viaje: At t0, there is a genesis, consisting of a gns file, containing a0 -> b0 ; and a
manifest file, containing #t0.
mp_en_viaje: in any case i'd say just about any single implication you propose doesn't follow. elementarily different people having differing views of a patchset on the basis of their seals works just fine with
manifest files as without. and so on.
diana_coman: and the contents of the
manifest file itself are obtained from pressing a tree so it's not like you get mismatch tree <->
manifest and a tangle or I don't see it
mp_en_viaje: but yes in this case the
manifest is possibly spurious, as you're always changing the same one file anyway
diana_coman: i.e.
manifest is a history with dates but not some prescription re patching
diana_coman: fwiw I don't get what the issue is there and what does the
manifest have to do with anything
Mocky: the idea seems go be that different people have their own view of hosts file updates based on own view of wot, however, it only works a) without the
manifest file and b) pressing to all heads, not just one
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 03:18 Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v
manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise
manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works?
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v
manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise
manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works?
☝︎☟︎ bvt: i.e. in hanbot genesis, there is a/mp-wp/
manifest, while in your vpatch a/
manifest billymg: the signature verifies, and i believe i have the diff and
manifest syntax correct, but i'm getting the "not found in flow" error
danielpbarron: Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is
manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and
spyked: anyway, this is no excuse for my long silence, so: I'ma bring rss bot here in the following hour (it's been under heavy testing for the last month, so it should at least be a decent replacement for current deedbot rss functionality) and keccak+
manifest ircbot tree should be out by the 1st of december
mircea_popescu: is # acceptable comment inline ? should there be a
manifest also ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 21:44 bvt: alternatively, i could add new functions at common tree part if i don't touch any files included in later vpatches (so adding entries to
manifest would be not possible). seems like some quite unnatural acrobatics to me.
bvt: alternatively, i could add new functions at common tree part if i don't touch any files included in later vpatches (so adding entries to
manifest would be not possible). seems like some quite unnatural acrobatics to me.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 07:54 bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a
manifest file) is suboptimal, however:
bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a
manifest file) is suboptimal, however:
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this now begs the questrion whether if i send my valkiries they would somehow
manifest liquidity. god knows i had no problem dealing as much as i wanted in buenos aires. nor here. nor apparently anywhere (except when it comes to wiring to bb, which is becoming the lulz of all time, somehow)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:31 diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO
manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !
mircea_popescu: "This
manifest created on x to comply with prevailing standards ; original had no such thing." fir instance ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo
manifest ~should~ be historically accurate.
mircea_popescu: no such fucking thing, it's exactly like genetics -- genetically present traits may or may not phenotypically
manifest. but if they do not -- THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
mircea_popescu: so -- looking back to the crc32 situation, suppose that for whatever reason the consensus wasn't "yeah, should definitely have both" but "division is stupid, only tables are needed". at that juncture, ave1 could have made an alternate patch to the crc32-lookup consisting of merely a changed
manifest, saying "Hey, for so and so reasons I think this should be a crc32-division, I intend to do it later."
ave1: with the
manifest as we have now and no way to automatically merge an alternative (i.e. having more than one possible ancestor)
diana_coman: well yes, I can't quite see the point of blanking the
manifest without regenesis since that's basically what it means
mircea_popescu: note that it's not even illegal to blank the
manifest or w/e. impolite, yes, but the spec allows.
diana_coman: ah, alternative line in
manifest too, I see it
diana_coman: typo in
manifest "emplementation" -> implementation ; but one can live with that
diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO
manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:28 asciilifeform adds ' asciilifeform-recipe switch ' to next cargo
manifest diana_coman: ave1, you forgot to change
manifest file for your zfp_4_assert.vpatch? (i.e. it's missing from the list in
manifest)